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MARIE?

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VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

SO I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 25TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING

[1. Call to Order]

COMMISSION AT 4:08.

AND CAN WE START WITH.

[2. Roll Call NOTE: One or more Commission Members may be in attendance telephonically or by other technological means. DAVID ZIMMERMAN, CHAIR MARIE JONES, VICE CHAIR CAROLE MANDINO DR. ALEX MARTINEZ ERIC NOLAN LLOYD PAUL RICHARD GUTHRIE]

PRESENT.

ERIC NOLAN.

PRESENT.

LLOYD PAUL.

PRESENT.

CAROLE MANDINO.

THERE WAS A NOTE FROM CAROLE THAT SHE MAY HAVE A HARD TIME LOGGING IN, SHE WAS GOING TO TRY CALLING.

SHE SHE SENT AN EMAIL.

I'M PRESENT.

OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I THOUGHT I SAW HER.

THANK YOU.

AND DR.

ALEX MARTINEZ, DAVID ZIMMERMAN ARE ALL EXCUSED OR BOTH EXCUSED.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT.

[3. Public Comment At this time, any member of the public may address the Commission on any subject within their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the Commission on that day. Due to Open Meeting Laws, the Commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To address the Commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the Chair to call for Public Comment at the time the item is heard.]

AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON THAT DAY TODAY.

DUE TO OPEN MEETING LAWS, THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR ACT ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.

PLEASE WAIT FOR THE CHAIR TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME THAT ITEM IS HEARD.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I DON'T SEE ANY.

SO THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER FOUR IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approval of the minutes from the meeting on August 11, 2021.]

MEETING.

AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER JONES, THIS IS COMMISSIONER NOLAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

OK, THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MANDINO, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN KIND OF JUST BARELY HEAR YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO INCREASE YOUR SOUND, BUT SO THANK YOU.

AND NOW TO VOTE ON ON THAT TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MAY I HAVE YOUR VOTES.

WE'RE APPROVING THE MINUTES, NOT THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'M SORRY.

THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

I VOTE AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ARE THERE ANY NAYS? SO THAT IS APPROVED.

NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE HAVE ITEM A IS THE PRESIDIO TRACT M,

[A. PZ-19-00204-03 Presidio Tract M A Conditional Use Permit request from Miramonte Presidio LLC, to establish a Planned Residential Development (PRD) on Tract M within the Presidio in the Pines master planned development. The PRD consists of 39 multi-family residential units on 2.77 acres located at 2940 S Woody Mountain Road within the Highway Commercial (HC) zone. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: In accordance with the findings presented in the attached report, staff recommends approval of PZ-19-00204-03 with conditions. ]

THIS IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FROM MIRAMONTE PRESIDIO LLC TO ESTABLISH A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TRACT M WITHIN THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY CONSISTS OF THIRTY NINE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TWO POINT SEVENTY SEVEN ACRES, LOCATED AT 2940 SOUTH WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD WITHIN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE.

DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON THIS? GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS TIFFANY ANTOL, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, AND I AM HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU TO TURN OFF MY CAMERA AND GO AHEAD AND SET UP MY PRESENTATION.

CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU? YES.

YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AGAIN, TONIGHT, THIS IS CASE PZ19-00204-03, WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT IS ENTITLED PRESIDIO TRACT M.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2940 SOUTH WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, IT IS INDICATED WITH THE LARGE BLUE STAR.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT 39 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

AND THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE TWO POINT SEVENTY SEVEN ACRES, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE.

THE FLAGSTAFF ZONING CODE IDENTIFIES PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS AN ALLOWED USE IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONES SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS FOUND IN THE ZONING CODE JUST FOR THOSE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

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SO I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

SO TRACTED M IS LOCATED INSIDE OF THE LARGER MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF PRESIDIO IN THE PINES.

PRESIDIO IN THE PINES WAS DEVELOPED AND WAS REZONED THROUGH ORDINANCE IN 2004.

IT WAS APPROXIMATELY NINETY ONE ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT WENT FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO ABOUT 77 ACRES OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AN ACRE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND 13 ACRES OF HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.

PRESIDIO ON THE PINES DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IDENTIFIED TRACT M AS A FUTURE CHURCH SITE.

THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS SEEN MANY AMENDMENTS THROUGH TIME.

THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR CHURCH, ESSENTIALLY TO REALLY ALSO INCLUDE ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.

ONE THAT TRACT M BE DEVELOPED AS FOR SALE CONDOMINIUM MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS SET FORTH IN THE APPROVED PRESIDIO IN THE PINES TRACT M SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ANY OTHER REQUIREMENT OF CITY CODE, THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO FORM A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR THE PROJECT.

THE CONDOMINIUM DECLARATIONS WILL INCLUDE A PROVISION REQUIRING ANY LEASE PERIOD TO BE A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS.

IN OTHER WORDS, THAT PRECLUDES SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND THIRD, THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO DESIGNATE A MINIMUM OF 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL UNITS TO BE SOLD AT OR BELOW 100 PERCENT OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

SO LET'S DIG INTO THE SITE PLAN.

AS STATED, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.

PRESIDIO IN THE PINES WAS PLANNED AND DEVELOPED USING THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT STANDARDS FOUND WITHIN THE PREVIOUS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WHEN THE ZONING CODE WAS ADOPTED, THE TND STANDARDS OR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT STANDARDS WERE CARRIED FORWARD IN THE FORM OF TRANSECTS ZONES.

WHILE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED WITHIN THE HC ZONE, IT IS PERMITTED AS PART OF THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A CUP, THE ZONING CODE ESTABLISHED.

THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS A MECHANISM TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF SPECIFIC TRANSECTS ZONE BUILDING TYPES.

FOR EXAMPLE, TOWNHOUSE, DUPLEX, COURTYARD APARTMENT.

IN NON TRANSECTS ZONES.

THESE SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPES, HOWEVER, ARE DEPENDENT ON TRANSECT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS SUCH.

THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSES THE USE OF T4 NEIGHBORHOOD 2 WHAT WE LOVINGLY REFER TO AS T4N2 TRANSECTS ZONE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT THE PROPOSED COURTYARD APARTMENTS ARE A DEPARTURE FROM THE MASTER PLAN.

HOWEVER, IT MUST BE NOTED THAT PRESIDIO WAS THE FIRST PROJECT WITHIN FLAGSTAFF TO UTILIZE AND IMPLEMENT NEW URBANISM DESIGNS.

A TRADITIONAL COMPONENT OF NEW URBANISM DESIGN IS THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT INTERNAL TO A PROJECT, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS WERE DEVELOPED.

SORRY.

THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS WERE DEVELOPED, AND BASED ON ON MANY FACTORS, IT WAS FOUND THAT OVER TIME MOST INTERNAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS WERE NOT ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL.

THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THE LACK OF SUSTAINED TRAFFIC, BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN, TO SUPPORT THE USES.

THIS CREATED A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITHIN THE NEW URBANISM COMMUNITY.

SUBSEQUENTLY, THE CONGRESS OF NEW URBANISM CONCLUDED THAT SUCH COMMERCIAL USES AND FORM SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE INCLUDED IN NEW URBANISM DESIGNS, BUT SHOULD BE LOCATED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHEN ABUTTING MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

IN RESPONSE, THE CNU, WHICH IS THE CONGRESS OF NEW URBANISM, MADE CHANGES TO THEIR SMART CODE PRINCIPLES TO IMPLEMENT THIS REVISED STRATEGY.

WHILE THIS LOCATION IS LOCATED ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT ALONG A FUTURE ARTERIAL CORRIDOR, ACCESS TO THE SITE IS ONLY POSSIBLE FROM THE INTERNAL RESIDENTIAL STREET DUE TO THE PRESERVATION OF REQUIRED RESOURCES AND POSSIBLE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION FOR A FUTURE INTERCHANGE.

THAT IS SHOWN HERE ON THE SITE PLAN.

HERE IS THE EASEMENT FOR THE RESOURCE PROTECTION.

AND THEN THE FUTURE OF RIGHT OF WAY IS THIS DASHED LINE THAT FOLLOWS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT SITE.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT MAY BE NECESSARY FOR THE FUTURE SHOWN INTERCHANGE WITHIN OUR REGIONAL PLAN.

COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS BEST FOCUSED WITHIN AN URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH THERE IS ONE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD AND ROUTE 66.

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STAFF BELIEVES THIS MINOR CHANGE IN LAND USE WITHIN THE PRESIDIO CONTINUES THE PRINCIPLES OF MIXED USE NEW URBANISM BY INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH INCLUDES MIXED LAND USES, COMPACT URBAN FORM ,INFILL, MINIMUM DENSITIES, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, AFFORDABLE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION.

SO ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW THREE, THREE STORY BUILDINGS.

THAT'S CONSISTING OF ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE ARRANGED TO PRESERVE FUTURE RIGHT AWAY FOR ADOT AND THE RESOURCE PROTECTION ALSO TO SEPARATE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE IN LIGHT OF THOSE CONDITIONS AWAY FROM THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT AGAIN, IT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING, THEY ARE USING THE COURTYARD BUILDING TYPE 13 UNITS PER BUILDING, AND THE MATERIALS ARE COMPLIANT.

THESE ELEVATIONS SHOULD BE SIMILAR OR FAMILIAR.

THEY HAVE BEEN SEEN BEFORE THE PONDEROSA PARKWAY.

MIRAMONTE AT PONDEROSA PARKWAY DEVELOPMENT, USES A VERY SIMILAR BUILDING DESIGN AND LAYOUT AS THESE UNITS.

THERE'S A VERY SIMILAR UNIT TO THIS, ALSO LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE E CATHOLIC CHURCH.

SO WHAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? THE PURPOSE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS TO PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR REVIEWING USES AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE APPLICABLE ZONE.

IN THIS CASE, THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, BUT THAT REQUIRE MORE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND THE POSSIBLE IMPOSITION OF CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED USE.

EACH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS SUBJECT TO THREE FINDINGS.

ONE OF THOSE FINDINGS IS BROKEN DOWN INTO NINE SUBCATEGORIES.

SO I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THESE THREE FINDINGS FOR YOU.

BUT THESE ARE THE THREE FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE MET BY THE FOR BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN ORDER FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE APPROVED.

THE FIRST FINDING IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ZONING CODE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIFIC ZONE.

YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF VERBIAGE ON HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE DOES ENCOURAGE MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES.

IT DOES ENCOURAGE HOUSING IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.

AND IT DOES ASK THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO LOCATE ABOVE AND BEHIND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY'RE BUFFERED FROM ADJOINING HIGHWAY CORRIDORS.

THE PROPOSED PLAN, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, LAND USE IS ALSO A PERMITTED USE IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE CUP, THE RESIDENTIAL USES, ARE NOT PART OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CASE, WHICH WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHOUT A CUP AND ARE NOT LOCATED ABOVE OR BEHIND A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON THE SITE.

THE BUILDINGS ARE BUFFERED FROM THE ADJACENT HIGHWAY AND ARTERIAL ROAD CORRIDOR THROUGH THE INTEGRATION OF THE SITE INTO THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT, CREATING A BUFFER THROUGH THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE ACCESS TO THE ARTERIAL CORRIDOR IS LIMITED FOR THE SITE.

THE VIABILITY OF THE SITE BEING DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS LIMITED.

FINDING NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

AS PART OF OUR REVIEW OF ANY SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE GO THROUGH A VERY IMPORTANT REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF ANY IMPACT ANALYZES ARE REQUIRED.

OUR IDS REVIEW INCLUDES ALL DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, WATER SERVICES, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING.

I'M SURE THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, AND THERE ARE MANY OF US CONTAINED WITHIN EACH OF THOSE DIVISIONS.

ALL OF THOSE REVIEWERS ARE SUBJECT ARE PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND HELP PLANNING STAFF TO IDENTIFY IF THERE WOULD BE ANY CONCERNS IN RELATION TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

STAFF HAS FOUND THAT SO LONG AS THE USE IS OPERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PERMIT THAT THERE'S NO ANTICIPATION OF THIS USE BEING DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

SO THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED NOISE, SMOKE, ODOR, ODOR, DUST, VIBRATION OR ILLUMINATION, NO KNOWN HAZARD OF EXPLOSION, CONTAMINATION, FIRE, BLOOD, AND NO UNUSUAL VOLUME OR CHARACTER OF TRAFFIC.

SO FINDING NUMBER THREE IS THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE ARE REASONABLY COMPATIBLE WITH USES PERMITTED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA PER THE FOLLOWING.

I THINK THERE'S NINE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES HERE, SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF ONE OF THESE SEPARATELY.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT ACCESS, TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION.

SO ACCESS TO THE SITE IS PROVIDED FROM AN IMPROVED CITY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS

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REFERRED TO AS PRESIDIO DRIVE SOUTH.

PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THE EXISTING STREET SYSTEM.

AND WHAT WILL BE FUTURE FUTS IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE WOODY MOUNTAIN CORRIDOR.

A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT COMPLETED FOR THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE PROJECT FALLS WITHIN THE OVERALL DENSITY ALLOWANCE FOR THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED FOR OVER, I BELIEVE, FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY UNITS, THEY TODAY.

THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS NOT YET EXCEEDED OR ACHIEVED THAT DENSITY.

SO THESE PARTICULAR UNITS WILL FALL WITHIN THE OVERALL IMPACT ANALYZES THAT WERE PREPARED FOR THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT.

ADEQUACY OF THE SITE.

THE PROJECT HAS A PROPOSED DENSITY OF 14 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM 10 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND FALLS UNDER THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED DENSITY OF 22 UNITS PER ACRE.

THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE PROPOSED BUILDING COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE PLAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OPTION, INCLUDING THE T4N2 STANDARDS AND THE COURTYARD APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE.

THE SITE PROVIDES THE REQUIRED 15 PERCENT OPEN SPACE, AS WELL AS RESERVES FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY FOR ADOT.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PARTIALLY LOCATED IN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY AND A RESOURCE PROTECTION PLAN, AND REQUIRED RESOURCES HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED.

SO HERE IS THE RESOURCE PROTECTION PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A LARGE AREA THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR RESOURCE PROTECTION, BUT THERE AREN'T ACTUALLY A LOT OF RESOURCES IN THAT AREA.

YOU CAN SEE A LOT THE BULK OF THE RESOURCES ARE FALLING IN BETWEEN, AND THEY'RE TREE RESOURCES PRIMARILY.

THAT'S ALL THERE IS FALLING IN AND AROUND BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO.

BUT THEY ARE MEETING THE REQUIRED STANDARD OF 30 PERCENT FOR HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL.

MOST RESIDENTIAL USES ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 50 PERCENT.

BUT THE 30 PERCENT HERE IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT.

AT THE TIME, PRESIDIO IN THE PINES MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED, T&D DEVELOPMENTS WERE ONLY REQUIRED TO PRESERVE 30 PERCENT OF THE REQUIRED TREE RESOURCES.

SO THIS HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, 30 PERCENT, IS WITHIN LINE WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.

IN TERMS OF NOISE, LIGHT, VISUAL AND OTHER POLLUTANTS, IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CREATE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES.

ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF STRICT OUTDOOR LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH SUPPORTS AND MAINTAIN OUR DESIGNATION AS AN INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY CITY.

THEY DID THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY A PRELIMINARY LIGHTING PLAN, AND THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF SUMMARY FOR THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW.

THE STYLE AND SITING OF THE STRUCTURE AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SITE PLANNING DESIGN STANDARDS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE ZONING CODE, AND THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE ZONING CODE.

IN TERMS OF STYLE AND SITING, THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN WAYS TO THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THESE BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORY IN HEIGHT, WHERE ADJACENT BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORY IN HEIGHTS.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT COMPATIBILITY AND COMPATIBILITY IS ADDRESSED IN THE ZONING CODE DOES NOT MEAN SAME AS BUT RATHER ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN THAT RELATE WELL TO ONE ANOTHER.

AND THESE BUILDINGS ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEW URBANISM DESIGN TRADITIONS THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN.

IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE AND SCREENING, THE SITE WILL BE LANDSCAPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE.

THE PARKING AREAS ARE SCREENED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE AS WELL.

HERE IS A COPY OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.

MANY OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ON SITE WILL BE USED TO FULFILL MANY OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS, WHICH IS A BENEFIT OF HAVING TO SAVE ALL OF THOSE TREES ON SITE.

SO THEY GET TO ALSO BE USED TOWARDS THE LANDSCAPING CALCULATIONS.

IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON PUBLIC FACILITIES, THE SITE CAN BE ADEQUATELY SERVED BY WATER AND SEWER, AND NO NEW OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE IS REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED USES, SIGNAGE AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

AS STATED BEFORE, AN OUTDOOR LIGHTING PERMIT MUST BE OBTAINED.

THEY DID SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY LIGHTING PLAN.

AND OF COURSE, WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR RIGOROUS REVIEW TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.

NO SIGNAGE WAS WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT ANY SIGNAGE THAT THEY

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WOULD HAVE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODE.

RESIDENTIAL SIGNAGE IS FAIRLY LIMITED.

IN TERMS OF DEDICATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF STREETS, THERE'S NO FURTHER RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE'S NO IMPACTS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES AND A RESOURCE PROTECTION PLAN WAS PREPARED AND SHOWS MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED TREE RESOURCES ON SITE.

IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN, THE APPLICANT HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS UTILIZING THE ZOOM PLATFORM ON MAY 10TH AND JUNE 7TH.

THE FIRST MEETING HAD 25 MEMBERS.

THE SECOND HAD 40.

AFTER THE FIRST MEETING, WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO EXPAND THEIR NOTIFICATION TO THE ENTIRE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES DEVELOPMENT WITH WHICH THEY DID TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RECEIVED ADEQUATE NOTIFICATION OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

A COMPLETE REPORT ON THE MEETINGS ARE ATTACHED.

TO THE STAFF, SUMMARY.

STAFF HAS ALSO RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, WHICH ARE ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT.

I ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TONIGHT.

SO I THINK I HAD A NEW EMAIL AS RECENT AS JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AGO.

SO I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH, SEE WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND SEE WHOSE EMAILS I NEED TO READ ON THE RECORD FOR YOU.

CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED INCLUDE LACK OF PARKING, TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

THE BUILDING'S NOT FITTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

INTRODUCTION OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.

THE COMMUNITY WAS PROMISED A CHURCH OR COMMUNITY FACILITY.

THE PROJECT DOES NOT SERVE THE COMMUNITY, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND DRAINAGE ISSUES.

AND THAT TAKES AFTER THE RECOMMENDATION.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS, STAFF RECOMMENDS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE FINDINGS WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED HERE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CONFORM TO THE SITE PLANS AS PRESENTED.

THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE INSTALLED AND AS WAS PRESENTED IN THE REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND THAT ALL PARKING SHALL BE ASSIGNED TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONDOMINIUM UNITS.

ALL PARKING ON ADJACENT PRIVATE STREETS SHALL BE SUBJECT SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND VIOLATIONS.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS ALSO PREPARED A PRESENTATION.

I HOPE I DIDN'T SPEAK TOO LONG, BUT LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FOR ME.

THANK YOU, TIFFANY.

NO, THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I'M LOOKING THROUGH FOR HANDS, I DO NOT SEE, SEE ANY.

WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER.

MY NAME IS WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT MIRAMONTE HOMES AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS.

I AM, OH LOADING.

THERE WE GO.

CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SLIDE ON THE SCREEN? YES, WE CAN SEE THAT.

EXCELLENT.

SOME OF WHAT I HAVE PARALLELS WHAT TIFFANY ANTOL PRESENTED, IN WHICH CASE I'LL TRY TO SKIP OVER AND NOT BE REDUNDANT.

SO I WANTED TO TOUCH JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE HISTORY OF TRACT M.

THE PRESIDIO PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE, 2004.

AS YOU HEARD, MIRAMONTE HAS BEEN PART OF THE PRESIDIO PROJECT FOR ABOUT A DECADE WHEN IT ACQUIRED THE PROJECT, WHEN IT WAS IN ECONOMIC DISTRESS FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION.

TRACT M FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAT, WAS SHOWN AS AN UNDEVELOPED TRACT SAID TO BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

IT WAS CALLED A CHURCH SITE.

IT WAS ZONED HC AND INTENDED AS A CHURCH OR AS ANOTHER USE APPLICABLE FOR THAT ZONE THAT MIGHT BE A RECREATIONAL CENTER OR A GYMNASIUM, LIBRARY, SWIMMING POOL,

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THINGS LIKE THIS.

SO COMMERCIAL USE, AS TIFFANY POINTED OUT, BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS POINT BEING INTERIOR TO THE SUBDIVISION FOR THE SITE.

THERE'S SOME DOUBT AS TO IT'S VIABILITY AS A COMMERCIAL ZONE.

PLUS, THE ACTIVITY CENTER DESIRED BY THE CITY IS TO THE NORTH AT THAT OLD ROUTE 66.

AND WITH THAT, MIRAMONTE APPLIED TO THE CITY TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR THIS CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.

A FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS ENTERED INTO LAST YEAR, NEAR THE SAME TIME THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY.

SO THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THIS SITE, TO MOVE AWAY FROM A CHURCH SITE AND TO A RESIDENTIAL HOUSING SITE, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW HERE.

I POINTED OUT THE CHURCH SITE HAS BEEN SHALL BE DEVELOPED FOR FOR SALE CONDOMINIUMS, MULTIPLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS SET FORTH IN THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES TRACT M SITE PLAN THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020 WITH A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE PROVISION OF WHAT WE CALL ATTAINABLE HOUSING, HOUSING AT THE 100 PERCENT AMI LEVEL, AS WELL AS FOR THE ADEQUATE REGULATION OF THE CONDOMINIUM THROUGH AN ASSOCIATION WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW.

WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT PRIMARILY TONIGHT ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE DEVELOPMENT AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU A RENDERING OF THE OF THE BUILDING THAT TIFFANY HAD SHOWED YOU ALREADY.

TRAFFIC FOR 39 CONDOMINIUMS IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE AROUND 20 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

AND IT BEARS NOTING THE TRACT M SITS RIGHT THERE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PRESIDIO SUBDIVISION.

SO THIS IS TRAFFIC THAT WE WOULD HOPE PRIMARILY EXITS ONTO WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD AND DOESN'T NEED TO TRAVERSE THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF.

BUT IN EITHER EVENT, THE NUMBERS ARE FAIRLY LOW AND WELL BELOW ANY TRIGGERING POINT FOR AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AS TIFFANY POINTED OUT.

BUT THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE THREE BUILDINGS AWAY FROM OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE GREATEST DEGREE POSSIBLE.

AND YOU SAW THIS QUICKLY IN HER PRESENTATION, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.

BUT THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF NATIVE VEGETATION AND TREES IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT.

THAT'S THE CORNER THAT WOULD BE MOST VISIBLE FROM ANYONE DRIVING IN OR OUT OF THE SUBDIVISIONS.

SO WE LIKE THAT.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROJECT AS A RESULT OF OUR MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE BEEFED UP LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS SHOWN IN GREEN ON THIS SLIDE.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THE PROJECT AS WELL IS ANOTHER TRACT, WHICH IS PART OF THE PRESIDIO SUBDIVISION AND OWNED BY THE HSA IS OPEN SPACE AND IT CREATES A BUFFER OF ALMOST 60 FEET UP TO A HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE OF TRACT M AND THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

SO IN THIS WAY, WE FEEL LIKE THE PROJECT IS PRETTY WELL BUFFERED FROM THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO DENSITY AND TRAFFIC, AS TIFFANY POINTED OUT.

THIS AND ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT EXCEEDS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS UNDER CITY CODE.

AND ONE CONDITION THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THIS CUP IS THAT ALL PARKING WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO PARTICULAR UNITS.

WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DENSITY OVERALL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT.

SO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE IS THE FRONT PAGE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT.

THE FINAL PLAT OF THE PROJECT, AND IT POINTS OUT THAT TRACTS A, B AND M ARE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

SO AS TIFFANY NOTED, ORIGINALLY, THE PLAT INDICATED FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY HOME SITES, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDED ENTIRE TRACTS THAT WERE INTENDED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEM IN THE IN THE LOWER PORTION OF THE OF THE PLAT AS AS WHITE OPEN

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SPACE.

THESE WERE NOT ORIGINALLY PLATTED, HOWEVER, THEY WERE DEALT WITH IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN.

HERE'S THE COVER PAGE FROM THAT PLAN, AND HERE'S A TOP DOWN VIEW OF THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION.

WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN PINK ON THIS DEPICTION IS TRACT A AND TRACT B.

BOTH OF THESE TRACTS ARE ON THE SAME STREET IMMEDIATELY EAST OF TRACT M WHICH WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN MULTISTORY COMMERCIAL AND HOUSING CONSTRUCTION WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND HOUSING ON THE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD, AND IN SOME CASES FOURTH FLOORS.

THEY WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED ON TRACT A.

IT WAS GOING TO BE OVER 200 HOUSING UNITS ABOVE COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS A RENDERING OF TRACT B WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF DESIGN.

I POINT THESE THINGS OUT BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT, NEITHER TRACT A NOR TRACT B WAS CONSTRUCTED AS MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING, BUT RATHER THEY WERE REPLATTED AND DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TRACT A, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED HERE ON YOUR SCREEN, BECAME 40 RESIDENTIAL LOTS RATHER THAN OVER 200 MULTIFAMILY LOTS.

AND SIMILARLY, TRACT B WAS DEVELOPED AS 15 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.

WHAT THAT MEANS FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT IS THIS, THAT WHEN YOU TAKE THE ORIGINAL PLAT AND YOU TAKE THE DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN ALL THE WAY BACK FROM 2004, IT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ALMOST 800 DWELLING UNITS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

THAT HASN'T OCCURRED.

AS I POINTED OUT, TRACT A AND TRACT B WERE DEVELOPED A SINGLE FAMILY LOTS INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE FAMILY LOTS.

AT A POINT IN TIME THE OLD CEDAR RIDGE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ADJACENT BUT SEPARATE SUBDIVISION, WAS FOLDED IN.

SO THAT ACTUALLY INCREASED DENSITY.

BUT IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND YOU ADD THAT 39 CONDOMINIUMS PROPOSED BY MIRAMONTE, YOU COME UP WITH ABOUT 600 DWELLING UNITS ACROSS A SUBDIVISION ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR 800.

AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE DWELLING UNITS, FEWER THAN WHAT THE SUBDIVISION ORIGINALLY SET OUT TO BE.

I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOME FOLKS THAT SAY THAT THERE'S THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH DENSITY.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS RESPOND TO THE CITY'S HOUSING EMERGENCY DECLARATION FROM LATE LAST YEAR BY PROVIDING A FORM OF HOUSING THAT IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IS IN FLAGSTAFF TODAY.

THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF CONDENSING HOUSING ON A SMALLER SPACE, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN GOALS OF PROVIDING ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND MAKING 10 PERCENT OF THESE UNITS SPECIFICALLY ATTAINABLE TO THOSE AT THE 100 PERCENT AMI LEVEL.

AND TO DO ALL OF THIS IN A IN A CORNER OF THIS PROJECT THAT ALLOWS INGRESS AND EGRESS WITHOUT TRAVELING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT IN A GOOD LOCATION THAT SERVES THE GOALS OF THE CITY OVERALL.

WE ENDORSE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE CUP.

I'M PLEASED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I'M LOOKING FOR HANDS.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THE NAME RIGHT.

IS IT WHITNEY? YES, SIR.

WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM COMMISSIONER.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO MY QUESTION AND I'VE RAISED THIS IN A FEW OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, BECAUSE THE DEEPER THAT I'VE GONE INTO THE ISSUE, THE MORE THAT I SEE THAT WE ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AND FINDING SOLUTIONS REGARDING SOLID WASTE.

AND RIGHT NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE PLANS, THE CURRENT LAND IS UNDEVELOPED, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO RIGHT NOW, THAT LAND IS NOT GENERATING ANY WASTE.

AND IF THEY WERE TO BUILD BY RIGHT WITH THE ORIGINAL CHURCH, IT WOULD BE GENERATING SOME WASTE.

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AND THEN CERTAINLY WITH DENSITY DWELLINGS THAT WOULD GENERATE, I THINK, EVEN THAT MUCH MORE WASTE.

SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AND I LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS PLAYING A KEY ROLE, ESPECIALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN OUR SOLID WASTE, TO HELP DESIGN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN A WAY THAT CAN BETTER SEPARATE THESE MATERIALS.

SO IF YOU GUYS CAN DESIGN PIPES TO BRING IN NATURAL GAS, WATER, ELECTRICITY, PIPES THAT CAN HELP TAKE OUT WASTEWATER.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO PUT INTO THE DESIGN A WAY TO BETTER SEPARATE OUR SOLID WASTE SO WE COULD RECOVER MORE OF IT.

IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, OUR CURRENT SORTING, ALSO CALLED OUR RECYCLING RATE, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 15 PERCENT AT BEST, AND THE REST JUST GOES TO A LANDFILL.

AND EVEN OF THAT, EIGHT TO 15 PERCENT, ABOUT 20 TO 40 PERCENT OF THAT IS CONTAMINATED AND ALSO GOES TO A LANDFILL.

SO THIS IS A REALLY BIG ISSUE AND IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE CITY'S CAPABILITIES.

AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS AT CITY STAFF.

I THINK THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH LIMITED BUDGETS AND FUNDING.

AND THAT'S WHERE I LOOK TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

SO CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY SORT OF PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THIS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I SEE IT AS A DETRIMENT TO PUBLIC WELFARE.

CERTAINLY, COMMISSIONER.

SO I THINK THAT THE CREATION OF WASTE IS PROBABLY ADAMIC TO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO AT SOME POINT ALONG THE CONTINUUM, I THINK THE CITY HAS TO DECIDE.

YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A GREAT WAY TO NOT CREATE ANY WASTE WOULD BE TO NOT HAVE ANY HOUSING.

WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE QUITE TO THE CONTRARY, IS TO DECLARE A HOUSING EMERGENCY.

LATE LAST YEAR, POINTING OUT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LIVE AND WORK OR WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT THEY CAN'T FIND PLACES TO LIVE OR PLACES THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE.

AND THE BEST WAY TO CREATE HOUSING THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO YOUR WORKFORCE IS TO CREATE MORE HOUSING.

SO I THINK THE SOLUTION IS PROBABLY NOT TO NOT HAVE HOUSING, BUT RATHER WHAT CAN WE DO AS WE AS WE DEVELOP SOMETHING LIKE THESE CONDOMINIUMS TO MAXIMIZE OUR ABILITY TO COLLECT AND TO RECYCLE.

AND TO THAT EXTENT, I THINK OUR SITE PLAN ACCOMMODATES RECYCLING IN THE TRADITIONAL NOTION.

I THINK SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU RAISED ARE PRETTY FASCINATING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.

BUT WHAT I AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT SOME OF THEM APPEAR TO BE MAYBE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING.

BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT MIRAMONTE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU HERE IN MORE DETAIL, SPECIFICALLY WHAT SOME OF THOSE IDEAS ARE AND THINK ABOUT THEIR INCORPORATION INTO THIS PROJECT.

AND I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, MIRAMONTE HAS OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY AND WOULD BE INTERESTED TO EXAMINE THEIR FEASIBILITY IN THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE A LISTENING SESSION ON OUR PART TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND YES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M AGAINST HOUSING, I DO RECOGNIZE WE DO HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING TO THE TABLE TO TO HELP IN THAT CAPACITY.

MY CONCERN IS JUST ON THE BACK END OF THINGS.

WE HAVE A CLIMATE PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE BECAUSE WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE URGENCY BEHIND CLIMATE CHANGE AND THEN SORT OF THAT QUIET DRAGON THAT'S JUST SLOWLY WAKING UP COMES TO OUR WASTE AND THE POLLUTION THAT THAT GENERATES.

SO I WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO A CONVERSATION REGARDING OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, FOR THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I HAVE A COUPLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO, OH.

COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE, I SEE YOUR HAND.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES.

QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, WHITNEY.

THERE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY VIBRANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING COMPLEX MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND THE TRAFFIC.

COULD YOU ADDRESS PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? WHY A THREE STORY SET OF THREE CONDOS, ET CETERA, MAY BE MORE FEASIBLE TO YOU OR TO MIRAMONTE INSTEAD OF WHAT I THINK SOME OF THE OPPOSITION WAS SAYING? WELL, THESE ARE THESE ARE TOWERS COMPARED TO THE HOME PROFILES THAT THEY'VE SEEN.

WHAT IS THE CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE CONCERNS?

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THE HEIGHT AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING? AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK MAYBE THERE ARE THREE THINGS TO CONSIDER IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION.

THE FIRST IS WE'RE REALLY NOT INTRODUCING A BUILDING FORM FOREIGN TO THE CONTEMPLATION OF PRESIDIO IN THE PINES.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT I POINT OUT IN MY PRESENTATION THAT IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN, IT WAS CONCEIVED THAT THERE WOULD BE THREE STORY AND FOUR STORY TALL RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES IN THE HEART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE REALLY NOT DEPARTING VERY FAR FROM THAT.

THESE ARE THESE WERE IDEAS THAT WERE THERE AS EARLY AS 2004.

SECONDLY, AND THIS GETS BACK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT COMMISSIONER NOLAN HAD SAID, BUT IF WE IF WE WERE TO CONSTRUCT 39 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, WE WOULD NEED A LOT MORE ACREAGE AND CREATE A LOT MORE WASTE THAN CONDENSING THOSE THIRTY NINE UNITS ONTO THIS SMALLER PROPERTY.

BUT OF COURSE, THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN DO THAT IS TO GO UP IN HEIGHT.

AND THAT'S JUST AN EFFICIENT FORM OF BUILDING.

IT'S EFFICIENT FROM A WASTE STANDPOINT, BUT IT'S ALSO A RESOURCE UTILIZATION STANDPOINT, AND IT'S ALSO EFFICIENT FROM A PRICING STANDPOINT TO THE FUTURE BUYERS.

NOW, I WILL SAY WE'RE WITHIN HEIGHT LIMITS AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EXEMPTION ON HEIGHT.

THIS THIS STRUCTURE IS FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS THERE.

BUT THE LAST POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, THE THIRD POINT IS THAT WITH THE WAY THAT THE SITE IS LANDSCAPED, WITH THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ALONG THE EASTERN BORDER, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY PONDEROSA PINE TREES THAT ARE MUCH TALLER THAN THESE BUILDINGS.

SO WHILE THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES WILL NOT BE FULLY HIDDEN FROM VIEW, THEY WILL BE FULLY SHIELDED BY THE NATURAL TREES AND LANDSCAPING.

AND WE THINK THAT'LL GO A LONG WAY TO MAKING THIS A NICE PRESENTATION AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL STICK OUT.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WHEN THE WHEN THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD LAST DECEMBER, OR I SUPPOSE THAT'S WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

HAVE THERE BEEN ALSO PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO THAT AMENDMENT? OR NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WHAT I'M ASKING IS, HAD THERE BEEN NOTICES? WHERE, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE A WAY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE AWARE THAT THAT WAS ON THE HORIZON? COMMISSIONER JONES, THE THE AMENDMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT PROCESS DOES NOT OF ITSELF INHERENTLY REQUIRE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS.

AND TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, AND I WAS PART OF THE PROCESS, WE DID NOT DO A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION COMPONENT.

NOW, OF COURSE, THE AMENDMENT WAS TAKEN UP BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLICLY NOTICED AS PART OF ITS AGENDA AND THEN WAS PUBLICLY CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL, BUT UNDER THE RULES APPLICABLE TO AMENDMENT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WERE REVIEWED, OF COURSE, NOT ONLY BY US, BUT ALSO BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THE FOURTH AMENDMENT PROCEED ALONG THOSE LINES.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION COMPONENT.

THANK YOU.

ALSO, I'M JUST JUST TRYING TO PICTURE AND I DIDN'T QUITE HOLD THE IMAGE IN MY HEAD, BUT ASIDE FROM THE TRACT M, ARE THERE OTHER TRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT UNDEVELOPED OR WOULD BE SEEN AS SITES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE NO OTHER TRACTS UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME OTHER THAN TRACT M.

OK.

SO THIS APPEARS TO BE THE LAST ONE.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.

AND SOMEONE MIGHT CORRECT ME ON THAT, BUT I AM I AM UNAWARE.

OK, THANK YOU.

I THINK OUR NEXT STEP, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, WOULD BE.

OH, I SEE.

COMMISSIONER PAUL, I SEE YOUR HAND.

THANK YOU, SORRY.

JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY NAILED DOWN PRICING VALUES PROJECTED AT THIS POINT, BUT DO YOU HAVE EVEN A SLIDING SCALE OR RANGE OF WHAT THE BEST GUESS OF WHAT THESE CONDOS WOULD SELL FOR? COMMISSIONER, HONESTLY, I HAVE TO SAY NO.

AND IF I AND IF I VENTURE TO GUESS, I MIGHT BE SO FAR OFF AS TO BE DISHONEST.

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I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I CAN.

THE CONDOS WILL BE MARKET PRICED, 10 PERCENT WILL BE RESERVED FOR THAT 100 PERCENT AMI.

SO THAT IS A NUMBER THAT IS CAPABLE OF CALCULATION.

BUT BUT IN GENERAL, THESE WILL BE MARKET PRICED CONDOMINIUMS. IT'S SIMPLY MIRAMONTE'S BELIEF.

AND I THINK IT'S BORNE OUT THROUGH PRACTICE THAT A CONDOMINIUM, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT BY SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO BE FAR MORE AFFORDABLE THAN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SITTING ON A QUARTER ACRE LOT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT FOR A GOOD PRODUCT FOR FLAGSTAFF.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PROJECT FOR YOU WHAT WE THINK THOSE PRICES ARE GOING TO BE.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT AND ALSO JUST ONE THING TO CLARIFY, SO THIRTY NINE UNITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFECTIVELY FOUR UNITS THAT WOULD BE PRICED AT THE AMI LEVEL, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THESE UNITS, THESE THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME STUDIO I THINK THERE ARE THREE STUDIOS, A FEW ONE BEDROOMS, A FEW THREE BEDROOMS AND THEN TWO BEDROOMS. AND AND THE AFFORDABLES ARE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDINGS AND THROUGHOUT THAT SPREAD OF THE UNITS, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHO THE FOLKS ARE THAT APPLY AND WHAT THEIR NEEDS WILL BE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO HANDLE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AND HOW THOSE WILL GET CALLED, BUT I THINK IT IS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE IF WE DO HAVE A LOT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, SEVERAL PEOPLE, SO WE WILL NEED TO KEEP THOSE COMMENTS WITHIN THE THREE MINUTE LIMIT.

MARIA, IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN REALLY FAST.

SURE.

I CAN MAYBE TRY TO KEEP THIS ON TRACK.

SO ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ASKED TO PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND BY CLICKING THE HAND RAISED ICON WITHIN THE TEAMS APP OR BY PLACING A C IN THE CHAT BOX, THE CHAIRPERSON WILL CALL ON THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THAT SHE SEES THEM.

WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND I WILL BE KEEPING TIME.

AND THOSE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

MARIE.

AND IF YOU WANT, I CAN SEE THE CHAT AND I CAN CALL ON THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, OR YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

I ALSO KNOW THAT TIFFANY HAS A FEW THAT SHE NEEDS TO READ THAT WERE EMAILED IN AFTER THE PACKETS WERE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE COMMISSION.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DID SUBMIT AN EMAIL BUT STILL WANTS TO TALK, THEY CAN DO THAT ALSO.

SO IT'S JUST UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO CALL OUT THE NAMES OR IF YOU WANT TO.

EITHER WAY, I CAN DO IT.

OK, GREAT.

I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO CALL THEM OUT SINCE YOU'RE KEEPING TIME ANYWAY.

SURE.

THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE LESS.

MAYBE WE CAN MOVE ON FASTER, TOO.

FOR SURE.

LET ME JUST GET MY TIMER GOING HERE AND.

THANK YOU, MR. MCCARTHY, THE HAND RAISE ICON, IF NOBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH IT, IS THE LITTLE SMILEY FACE WITH THE HAND IN FRONT OF IT.

OR LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN PUT A C IN THE CHAT BOX, TOO.

SO THE FIRST PERSON I SEE WHAT THEY HAND UP IS JAMES MCKIRDY.

AND JUST ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU'LL JUST UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST, AND THEN I WILL BEGIN THE TIMER.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THIS, IS THIS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PORTION OR IS THIS JUST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION AND IT WILL BE UP TO THEM ON HOW THEY HANDLE RESPONSES.

OK, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

MY NAME IS JAMES MCKIRDY.

I LIVE AT 2884 WEST PATIO DEL PRESIDIO IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'M ACTUALLY NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONCEPT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN TERMS OF.

I AGREE THAT THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.

I MEAN, MY MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS TOWN AND WE WANT MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE TOWN AND BE ABLE TO TO SHARE IN WHAT IT IS THIS TOWN HAS TO OFFER, IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY.

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WE LOVE IT HERE.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT IT'S IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN IT'S ONLY 10 PERCENT OF THE UNITS BEING SOLD ARE MEANT FOR ACTUAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN THE REST GOES FOR MARKET PRICE.

IN THE LAST YEAR, OUR HOUSE HAS GONE UP ALMOST 40 PERCENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO MARKET PRICE NOW FOR A CONDO VERSUS A YEAR FROM NOW CAN VERY WELL GO FROM 300 TO 400 TO 500 THOUSAND DOLLARS OR MORE.

IF WE LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE FLAGSTAFF, SUCH AS BOULDER, COLORADO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M NOT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THIS BECAME AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

IF ONLY 10 PERCENT, REALLY THREE OR FOUR UNITS ARE MEANT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF MORE PEOPLE COMING.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I LOVE THAT IDEA.

I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THIS ACTUALLY EQUATES TO THAT.

MY OTHER MAIN ISSUE ON THIS IS MANY OF THE SITUATIONS THAT MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY IS IS WORRIED ABOUT IS THE ACTUAL OUR ACTUAL HOA HAS RULES AND REGULATIONS.

AND WE WE GET NOTICES BEYOND BELIEF ABOUT PARKING AND TICKETS AND ALL THESE THINGS, CARS BEING LONGER ON THE STREET THAN THEY SHOULD, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WINTERTIME, OR IF THEY'RE IN FRONT OF A HOME FOR FAR TOO LONG, THEN THEY SHOULD BE EVEN IF THEY AREN'T OUR OWN VEHICLES.

WHAT WHAT TYPE OF PROTECTIONS DO WE HAVE FROM THIS NEW COMMUNITY AFFECTING OUR OWN HOA, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY LEGAL RECOURSE, BUT ALSO TOO ARE THERE ANY PROTECTIONS FROM THIS BEING JUST A VACATION OPPORTUNITY, SUCH AS AN AIRBNB SHORT TERM RENTAL? AND HOW EXACTLY COULD THAT BE ENFORCED? THAT IS ALL ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE.

I WILL MUTE MY MICROPHONE AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU.

ROBERT DAVIS.

HI, MY NAME IS ROBERT DAVIS.

I LIVE AT TWO NINE ONE TWO WEST I'VE PARTICIPATED IN ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND SUCH AND EVEN TRIED TO GET DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WE SUBMITTED A PETITION TO THE CITY WITH 60 NAMES.

IT WAS GATHERED IN TWO DAYS.

ALL IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.

AND PART OF THEIR DISCUSSION IN OPPOSITION WAS THAT WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES, THEY WERE GIVEN THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A CHURCH OR ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD SITE AND MIRAMONTE CHANGED THAT WITHOUT.

AND AS WHITNEY HAD INDICATED, WITHOUT ANY NOTIFICATION DIRECTLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN FACT, OUR HOA BOARD MEETING WAS HELD THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND OUR BOARD WAS UNAWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH TRACT M.

WE WE BELIEVE THAT UNDER TITLE NINE AND THAT BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, NOT NOT IN THE ZONING, THE ZONING REMAIN THE SAME, BUT IN THE USE OF THE ZONING THAT IT REQUIRED A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTIFICATION.

AND MY REQUEST WOULD BE THAT THE COMMISSION REFER THIS MATTER BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, BECAUSE IN MANY RESPECTS, THE CONCERNS ARE AMONG WHAT THE USE OF TRACT M IS NOT NECESSARILY VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTION, IT WAS TAKEN UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND LET THE COUNCIL DECIDE IF THEY VOTE AGAIN TO REFER BACK SO BE IT.

AT LEAST THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY DEVELOPMENT THAT THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED.

AND I FIND THAT CURIOUS, BECAUSE MIRAMONTE HAS PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE PRESIDIO HOA BOARD TO TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT DRAINAGE ACROSS THE PRESIDIO PROPERTY FOR STORM WATER.

SO THEY DON'T.

AND THERE'S QUESTIONS AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED SEVERAL CONCERNS.

SO THEY HAVE, MIRAMONTE DOES NOT HAVE AGREEMENT FOR THAT EASEMENT.

AND IF THAT'S PART OF THEIR STORM WATER DRAINAGE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY COULD APPROVE A SITE PLAN WITHOUT PROPER DRAINAGE.

IN FACT, THE DRAINAGE IN MANY OF THE AREAS WITHIN PRESIDIO IS IS NOT GOOD.

DIRT WASHES OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALKS IN THE STREET, ESPECIALLY WHERE THEY WANT

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TO PUT THIS ON JOCELYN DRIVE.

THAT IT'S TIME.

DOWN THE HILL.

I GOT 15 SECONDS THE.

THAT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE DON'T THINK IS COMPATIBLE.

ALSO, WHILE YOU'RE TALKING THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THAT IS RIGHT OFF THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THREE MAIN ONLY THREE ENTRANCES INTO PRESIDIO TO TRAFFIC.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THAT'S TIME.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

AND ONCE YOU'VE DONE YOUR COMMENTS, IF YOU CAN, PLEASE JUST UN-RAISE YOUR HAND.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME ALSO.

THANK YOU.

SUMMER JOHNSON.

HI.

THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS.

I'M BORN AND RAISED FLAGSTAFF RESIDENT.

MY HUSBAND AND I WORK VERY HARD AND WE WORKED VERY HARD TO PURCHASE OUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

WE LIVE OFF OF THE FIRST NOTICE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO ANYONE WHO LIVED WITHIN 300 FEET.

WE OBVIOUSLY DID NOT MAKE THAT CUT OFF BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT A NOTICE.

BUT THE POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE ARE WE'RE REALLY UNHAPPY WITH THIS BECAUSE WE FEEL VERY MISLED.

WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON OUR HOUSE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHURCH GOING INTO THAT LOT.

THIS ALL CAME AS A HUGE SURPRISE FOR US.

IF WE HAD KNOWN THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE WHEN WE DID AND WHERE WE DID.

I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD FEEL IF THEY PUT THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY INTO BUYING A HOME AND FIND OUT FOUR YEARS LATER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT BASICALLY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX THREE DOORS DOWN FROM YOU.

HOW THAT HOW THAT WOULD FEEL.

IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT GOOD.

WE FEEL VERY, VERY MISLED.

I ALSO VERY CURIOUS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO REINFORCE THESE FROM NOT TURNING INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES WHERE INVESTORS ARE JUST GOING TO COME IN AND BUY THEM, PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO BUY THEM, BECAUSE ONLY FOUR WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THREE POINT NINE, AND NOT ALLOW THOSE TO BE RENTED OUT TO COLLEGE KIDS, WHICH IS REALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE AMBIANCE OF OUR FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING.

PARKING IS A HUGE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR STREETS ARE BUILT NARROW AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 39 MORE RESIDENCES ALL COMPACTED IN THERE.

THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN THEIR PARKING LOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE GUESTS OVER.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING AND OVERFLOWING ONTO OUR STREETS.

IT'S ALREADY AN ISSUE.

AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND JUST LIKE MR. DAVIS SAID, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS AND WE FEEL VERY, VERY MISLED.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ONE MORE POINT I WANTED TO SAY TOO JUST TO WHAT MR. OR MR. CUNNINGHAM SAID WAS THE ORIGINAL PRESIDIO PLANS, THAT PLAN WENT BANKRUPT.

SHAUN CAMPBELL AND TOM KRAUSS ARE NO LONGER INVOLVED IN THIS PLAN.

THIS IS A NEW PRESIDIO.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT PRESIDIO.

THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CHANGED WHEN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY CHANGED AND THE MASTER PLAN CHANGED.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT USED TO BE DESIGNED THAT WAY BECAUSE THE PRESIDIO WE BOUGHT INTO WAS NOT DESIGNED THAT WAY.

THANK YOU.

KIM TITTLEBAUGH.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS KIM TITTLEBAUGH.

I LIVE IT 3520 NORTH SIX ZERO ZERO FOUR.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

I AM THE COMMUNITY MANAGER FOR PRESIDIO IN THE PINES.

IN YOUR PACKET IS A MEMORANDUM OUTLINING THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD IN RELATION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

AND I AM SPEAKING TONIGHT TO CLARIFY TWO OF THOSE POINTS.

FIRST, THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE EASEMENT SHOWN ON THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES PROPERTY THE BOARD HAS RETAINED A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER TO EVALUATE THE DRAINAGE REPORT, THE DESIGN PARAMETERS, AND TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE ASSOCIATION.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, IF THE BOARD DOES NOT GRANT THE EASEMENT, THEN THERE MAY BE SITE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE STORM WATER RETENTION AND FLOW, AND THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SITE PLAN THAT YOU MAY BE CONSIDERING THERE TONIGHT.

SECOND IS TO REAFFIRM THE POSITION OF THE HOA THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE

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CONDOMINIUMS ON TRACT M WILL RESULT IN THOSE THIRTY NINE OWNERS BEING GOVERNED BY TWO HOAS.

THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, PRESIDIO IN THE PINES.

IN YOUR PACKET IS A RESPONSE LETTER FROM MR. CUNNINGHAM, INDICATING THAT MIRAMONTE DISAGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT.

YESTERDAY, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PRESIDIO HOA MR. JIM ATKINSON, PROVIDED HIS LEGAL OPINION, AND THAT WAS MOST LIKELY PROVIDED TO HIS SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION EITHER LATE YESTERDAY OR TODAY.

SO I DID WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT LETTER AS WELL.

THE ASSOCIATION SEES THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRACT M TO BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIOR MIRAMONTE.

DEVELOPMENTS OF TRACT A AND B, BOTH OF WHICH WERE CHANGED FROM THEIR ORIGINAL USE, RE-SUBDIVIDED.

AND THOSE OWNERS BECAME MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES HOA.

THE ASSOCIATION WOULD REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER ADDING A CONDITION TO THE CUP THAT WOULD STIPULATE THIS MASTER SUB ASSOCIATION RELATIONSHIP GOING FORWARD.

IT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE CCNRS FOR THE SUBDIVISION.

SO I REALIZE THERE'S ANOTHER STEP TO THIS PROCESS.

IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT THE.

THAT THE CONDOMINIUMS WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED AND THAT THOSE CCNRS WOULD BE LOOKED AT.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

AND THE BOARD FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE TO REALLY HAVE THIS ADDRESSED AHEAD OF TIME AND EARLY ON.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY.

BRANDON JOHNSON.

HELLO, MY NAME'S BRANDON JOHNSON AT 2951 SOUTH WE'RE JUST THREE DOORS DOWN FROM THE PROJECT.

TIFFANY ANTOL SAID THAT SHE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD AFFECT HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

ALSO STATED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL NOISE OR LIGHT.

WE'RE TALKING EIGHT HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO COLLEGE KIDS.

SO I DON'T SEE LIKE HOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOISE FROM THIS COMPLEX.

YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A CHURCH OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT AGAINST IT BEING DEVELOPED, BUT A THREE STORY CONDO IS JUST NOT STANDARD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

IN FACT, WHITNEY, WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING, HE SPOKE ABOUT TRACT A AND TRACT B, AND HOW THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MULTISTORY BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY.

SO WHAT IS COMMON FOR THAT AREA? WHAT'S COMMON FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT THREE STORY BUILDINGS, NOT FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOUSES, MAX OF TWO STORIES.

THAT'S WHAT STANDARD.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT A CHURCH IN THERE.

THEY WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL.

THEN I WOULD SAY IT NEEDS TO BE A MAX OF TWO STORIES THAT WILL HELP WITH THE NOISE.

THAT'LL HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC, THAT'LL HELP WITH THE SNOW REMOVAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THEY GO BACK AND MAYBE MAKE THIS A TWO STORY MAX COMPLEX OR LOOK INTO GOING BACK TO A CHURCH OR SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.

WHITNEY BIGGERSTAFF.

HI, MY NAME IS WHITNEY BIGGERSTAFF.

MY ADDRESS IS TWO NINE FOUR THREE SOUTH PEPITA DRIVE.

I AM FIVE HOUSES AWAY FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

I AM ALSO CALLING TO LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THAT I AM NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING THAT AREA.

WE DID MOVE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT IN 2014, AND WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE A CHURCH OR COMMUNITY CENTER ON THERE, WHICH MADE US VERY EXCITED.

WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING IN FLAGSTAFF, JUST BASED ON THE CURRENT RELEASE OF COMPARABLE MIRAMONTE CONDOS OVER IN PONDEROSA PARKWAY, THESE ARE COSTING MINIMUM 350 AND UP.

I DO NOT FEEL THAT IS AFFORDABLE.

I FEEL MAYBE WE NEED TO.

MIRAMONTE SHOULD LOOK MORE TOWARDS TOWN AND LOOK INTO PARTNERING WITH THE BIG, HUGE APARTMENTS OFF OF ROUTE 66, OR MAYBE EVEN PARTNER UP WITH THE HOSPITAL AND TURN THAT FACILITY.

ONCE THEY POTENTIALLY MOVE TO BE MUCH MORE IDEAL.

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I ALSO WANT TO KNOW IF THESE PROPOSED CONDOS HAVE AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT HAS BEEN INCLUDED WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING GOING ON ACROSS WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD.

I DO FEEL IT WILL ADD SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUES.

THAT IS ALL.

THANK YOU.

OK, SO.

IT'S BROKEN.

KIM, IF YOU CAN MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

OH, I'M SO SORRY.

CYNTHIA, SORRY IF I TOTALLY DESTROY THIS DAIKER.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT, CYNTHIA DAIKER.

OK, THANK YOU.

I'M CYNTHIA DAIKER.

I LIVE AT TWENTY FOUR FIFTY SEVEN WEST THE CORNER OF MISSION TIMBER AND WRIGHT.

MY BIGGER CONCERN HAS BEEN JUST I'VE NOTICED, LIKE WE SAID, I KNOW IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED ABOUT THE PARKING CONCERNS IN THAT AREA.

MY BIGGER CONCERN IS SINCE WE HAVE HAD SHARED TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY IN BOULDER POINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WOODY MOUNTAIN, WOODY WAY ORIGINALLY OPENED.

I'M CONCERNED THAT MAYBE WITH THE TRAFFIC INCREASE THAT WE WILL BE GETTING FROM THE THIRTY NINE CONDOMINIUMS, IF BOULDER POINT'S COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE MADE AWARE OF THIS TRAFFIC AS WELL, SINCE IT IS KIND OF A BIG AREA THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING MISSION TIMBER TO GET TO WOODWAY WAY AND HAVE BEEN USING HIGHLAND MESA ROAD THAT GOES OUT THERE AS WELL AS UNIVERSITY AVENUE IS BACK WAYS TO GET TO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY NOW.

MY BIGGER CONCERN IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF MADE AWARE FOR ALSO THAT COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WITH THAT INCREASED TRAFFIC, BECAUSE I SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON MISSION TIMBER, WITH A LOT OF THE I KNOW SPEEDING HAS BECOME AN ISSUE IN THAT AREA WHERE I LIVE.

BUT I, I KIND OF THINK IT WOULD BE MAYBE A CONCERN TO BRING UP WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE GOING IN.

AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN PEOPLE MAKE SORRY, EXCUSE ME MAKE COMMENTS WITH THE CONCERN THAT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS CAUSING DANGER ISSUES IN THEIR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THOSE ARE ALL OF THE HANDS THAT I SHOW RAISED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF TIFFANY WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I THINK SHE RECEIVED VIA EMAIL IN THE LAST LITTLE BIT, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE WE RECEIVED WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY MORE.

THANK YOU, BECKY.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE EMAILS HERE.

SO THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS FROM ALAN GIRSTON.

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I'M OPPOSED TO THE REQUEST BY MIRAMONTE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE ISSUED FOR THE PARCEL 1126243 FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING THREE, THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD CONTAIN 39 CONDOMINIUM UNITS.

THE ORIGINAL ZONING FOR THIS TWO POINT SEVENTY SEVEN PARCEL WAS FOR A HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND ALSO HIGHLY COMMERCIAL, AFTER SETTING.

AFTER SITTING THROUGH A MEETING A FEW MONTHS BACK, MANY OF US ON THE CALL WERE LEFT ANYTHING BUT SATISFIED.

THE REPS OF MIRAMONTE WAS NEBULOUS AT BEST AS TO HOW CERTAIN PROBABLE ISSUES WOULD BE MITIGATED.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF DISCUSSION WAS THE RIDICULOUS PLAN TO PROVIDE 63 PARKING SPOTS FOR THE PROPOSED CONDOS OR ONE POINT SIX PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.

THE QUESTION WAS POSED TO THE MIRAMONTE FOLKS AS TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WERE MORE CARS THAN PROVIDED SPACES.

TO NO SURPRISE, THE ANSWER.

THE ANSWER WAS THE EXTRA VEHICLES WOULD USE STREET PARKING.

MIRAMONTE WOULD BE ACTING IRRESPONSIBLY AND ADDING TO AN EXISTING PARKING ISSUE IN THE SUBDIVISION, ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED.

WOULD THIS PROJECT BE AFFORDABLE TO THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED IN FLAGSTAFF FOR YEARS BUT FINANCIALLY ABLE TO PURCHASE HOUSING? ONE MORE CONSIDERATION WOULD BE THE DISRUPTION OF WHAT HAS BEEN A SUBDIVISION OF WHICH THE HOMES ARE GENERALLY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK AND FEEL.

IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE PROPOSED THREE TOWERS WOULD ADD A BLACK EYE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SIMPLY BY ITS DISRUPTION OF THE FEEL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

MANY OF US WHO PURCHASED HOMES HERE IN PRESIDIO WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT TRACT DOWN WOULD REMAIN ZONED, AS IS THE CYNICAL SIDE OF ME TENDS TO THINK THAT MIRAMONTE HAS FOUND A WAY TO SQUEEZE BLOOD OUT OF THE REAL ESTATE TURNUP BY BUILDING VERTICALLY WITH HIGH DENSITY UNITS IN ORDER TO SAVE THEIR HIDES FROM FINANCIAL LOSS.

ALAN GIRSTON, WEST MISSION TIMBER CIRCLE.

NEXT UP, I HAVE AN EMAIL.

SO, ROBERT, I HOPEFULLY I BELIEVE I THINK YOU COVERED ALL OF YOUR POINTS.

AND LET'S SEE HERE.

NOT THAT ONE.

OK.

NEXT UP.

NOPE.

NEXT UP, I HAVE ONE FROM ANNETTE LAURITSEN.

2951 SOUTH HELLO, ALL THIS EMAILS TO STATE THAT AS A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF THE PRESIDIO AND FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY, I DO NOT SUPPORT CHANGING THE USE OF THE TRACT M IN PRESIDIO.

THERE IS ALREADY AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA OF TOWN AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY, ADDITIONAL HOMES ARE NOT NEEDED IN THIS AREA.

THE CONDOS DON'T LEND TO THE FAMILY FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.

THIS COULD BE ANOTHER WAY FOR ADDITIONAL VACATION RENTALS TO SNEAK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PARKING IS ALSO A SERIOUS SITUATION ALREADY IN PRESIDIO, AND THE PARKING WILL NOT BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

THE HOA HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP OR REGULATE THE PARKING AND VACATION RENTALS ISSUE.

THIS IS ONE OF MANY CHANGES THAT MIRAMONTE HAS MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TOOK AWAY THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY AND IS PROVIDING THEM WITH MORE REVENUE.

WHEN I MOVED IN, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS TO BE MORE URBAN TRAIL PATHWAYS AND COMMUNITY AREAS.

THESE AREAS THEN HAD HOMES BUILT ON THEM INSTEAD.

MIRAMONTE ALSO HAD OTHER AREAS THAT THEY COULD ATTEND TO IN ORDER TO FINISH AREAS THAT HAVE LONG BEEN COMPLETED.

PLEASE CONSIDER MAKING THIS TRACT M AREA MORE OF AN OPEN OR COMMUNITY SPACE.

MIRAMONTE IS PACKING IN OK QUALITY HOMES ALL OVER FLAGSTAFF AND MAKING ALL KINDS OF MONEY.

PLEASE SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY.

THIS AREA'S ALREADY JAM PACKED WITH SMALL YARDS.

PLEASE LET A BIT OF COMMUNITY SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

PLEASE LEAVE A BIT OF COMMUNITY SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I HAD A EMAIL FROM BETSY DECKER WHO WANTED TO SPEAK, AND I DIDN'T SEE HER IN THE MEETING TONIGHT.

BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE SHE DIDN'T SEND ME ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS.

THEN I HAVE A LONGER EMAIL HERE.

I THINK I I THINK I.

I THINK I HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE EMAILS.

BECKY WERE THERE ANY MORE THAT YOU SAW? NO, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY MORE.

OK, THANK YOU.

OK, WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH.

THANKS, BECKY, FOR HANDLING THAT AND THE TIMING.

I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE MEETING HERE AND HAVE.

ANY IF ANY, COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT NOW FOR THE FOR STAFF OR FOR THE FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU NOW.

LET'S SEE, I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT.

HERE.

I HAVE A I WANTED TO CONFIRM I HAVE A QUESTION HERE FOR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, REGARDING THE AIRBNB AND THE.

I KNOW THAT YOU DID MENTION EARLIER THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE THE CCNRS IS NOT THE PROHIBITION OF ANYTHING LESS THAN 30 DAY RENTALS ON THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? COMMISSIONER JONES, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

SO, YEAH, I DID HEAR A COUPLE OF REFERENCES THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE FULLY SQUARED WITH THE FACTS OF THE APPLICATION.

MIRAMONTE DOES NOT BUILD SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS ACROSS THEIR PORTFOLIO.

THE WAY THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T OCCUR IS THAT ANY RENTAL OF LESS THAN 30 DAYS IS PROHIBITED.

SO NO OWNER, NO OWNER, NO LONG TERM RENTER OF A CONDOMINIUM CAN USE IT FOR SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS.

MIRAMONTE WANTS ITS CONDOMINIUMS TO BE OWNED AND OCCUPIED BY THE OWNERS AND THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF, NUMBER ONE.

THE SECOND THING TO REMEMBER, I HEARD A COUPLE OF REFERENCES TO APARTMENTS, AND THESE AREN'T GOING TO BE APARTMENTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONDOMINIUMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR EXACT PRICE IS, BUT SOMEONE MADE REFERENCE TO THE PONDEROSA CONDOMINIUMS GOING FOR THREE HUNDRED AND ABOVE.

AND I THINK IT ONLY STANDS TO REASON THAT SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO LAY OUT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PURCHASE A CONDOMINIUM IS GOING TO TAKE A LEVEL OF PRIDE IN THAT OWNERSHIP, NO DIFFERENTLY THAN ALL OF THESE PRESIDIO OWNERS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TONIGHT.

THESE ARE FOLKS THAT WANT TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT, THAT WANT TO BE A POSITIVE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I DOUBT THAT WE'LL FIND PEOPLE PURCHASING THESE CONDOMINIUMS WHO HAVE ANY DIFFERENT VIEW OF THAT THAN THE GOOD FOLKS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TONIGHT.

THIS IS FOR FLAGSTAFF RESIDENTS.

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THANK YOU.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO.

I GUESS THIS WOULD BE FOR STAFF.

I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF MENTIONS OF A DRAINAGE ISSUE AND I.

I ASSUME THAT THE DRAINAGE WAS THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE CITY'S PROCESS TO DETERMINE.

I'VE JUST YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AROSE, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE IN TERMS OF HOW THIS WAS APPROVED.

SURE.

SO RIGHT NOW, I JUST I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE SITE PLAN IS IS APPROVED CONDITIONALLY.

IT IS APPROVED CONTINGENT UPON THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO IF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS NOT APPROVED, THE SITE PLAN IS NULL AND VOID.

I WOULD ALSO MENTION THAT THE THE SITE PLAN DOES SHOW THE UTILIZATION OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES GETTING A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO MOVE WATER FROM THE SITE.

IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE HOA IS CONSIDERING NOT ALLOWING THAT PARTICULAR EASEMENT.

I'VE WORKED WITH OUR STORM WATER STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED THAT WILL NOT ALTER THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY COULD PUT UNDERGROUND.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF POTENTIALLY MANY THAT UNDERGROUND STORAGE COULD BE UTILIZED UNDER THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA THAT COULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

HOWEVER, NONE OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND PROBABLY WON'T BE DESIGNED UNTIL THE RESOLUTION OF THE EASEMENT IS COMPLETED.

SO IF THE HOA AND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT RECEIVE THAT EASEMENT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE STORM WATER RESOLUTION.

BUT AGAIN, I'VE TALKED WITH OUR STORM WATER STAFF.

THEY BELIEVE THAT'S PRACTICAL.

ALSO, THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AS WELL.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN FIND ALTERNATIVE SCENARIOS TO STILL MAKE THE SITE WORK WITHOUT THE EASEMENT.

SO THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF THAT STORY.

THANK YOU, TIFFANY.

I GUESS ONE MORE QUESTION AND MAYBE THIS IS MAYBE THIS THE ANSWER TO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, BUT THE THE SORT OF ISSUE WITH THE HOA, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A HOA COMES UNDER, I'M NOT SURE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT COMES UNDER THE YOU KNOW, IS A SUB HOA UNDER A MASTER HOA AND SO FORTH.

WE'VE RECEIVED THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPERTY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THIS TRACT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD HAVE ITS SEPARATE HOA, WHICH MAKES SENSE TO ME, BECAUSE BEING A CONDO COMPLEX, IT HAS DIFFERENT CONCERNS.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, THOUGH, HOW AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO THINK ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

IS THIS SOMETHING, AGAIN, THAT WE WOULD ASSUME WOULD WOULD BE CONDITIONALLY SOMEHOW WORKED OUT? SO MARIE, THIS IS REALLY A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE BETWEEN THE BASICALLY THE THE HOA AND THE OWNER OF TRACT M.

THE CITY STAFF HAS NO WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO ENFORCE CCNRS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN IT.

I KNOW THAT IT'S SORT OF COMPLICATING THE ISSUES FOR YOU, BUT STAFF DOES NOT GET INVOLVED.

THE CITY DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OR ENFORCEMENT OF CCNRS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST, SINCE THERE IS DISAGREEMENT, TO ALLOW THE GROUPS TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE IN A COURT OF LAW OR HOWEVER THEY GO ABOUT IT.

BUT SINCE THEY BOTH HAVE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED IN THEIR SIDE, I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE BEST LEFT TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

OK, THAT'S GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND I SEE COMMISSIONER MANDINO'S HAND.

YES, I HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WILL BE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO GO TO 20 PERCENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEING AFFORDABLE UNITS.

SO EIGHT OUT OF THE THIRTY NINE UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO THE DEVELOPERS.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S REALLY NOT AND I CAN GIVE YOU I THINK A SHORT BUT

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CLEAR EXPLANATION OF WHY THAT'S THE CASE.

THE UNITS THAT WILL BE RESERVED FOR THE 100 PERCENT AMI LEVEL REALLY CAN'T BE BUILT PROFITABLY.

THE DEVELOPER LOSES MONEY ON THOSE UNITS.

AS A RESULT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE REMAINING UNITS IS THE 36 UNITS SUBSIDIZE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

THE THIRTY FIVE UNITS SUBSIDIZE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL DEVELOPMENT.

IF THERE WERE 100 UNITS, THEN OF COURSE, WE COULD SUBSIDIZE A LOT MORE OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

THAT'S HOW THAT MATH PANS OUT.

THE SECOND AREA OF CONCERN, THOUGH, IS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I SAID, THE MARKET UNITS HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.

AND SO EVERY TIME YOU ADD AN AFFORDABLE UNIT, YOU EFFECTIVELY POTENTIALLY DRIVE UP THE COST OF THE MARKET UNITS.

AND MIRAMONTE'S, PHILOSOPHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ALL OF THESE UNITS, ALL 39 OF THESE UNITS ARE TARGETED TO THE WORK FORCE IN FLAGSTAFF.

OUR HOUSING IS EXPENSIVE.

THESE CONDOMINIUMS WILL BE EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY ARE AMONG THE MOST AFFORDABLE WAYS OF HOME OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE TOWN.

SO IT WAS VOLUNTARY.

WE VOLUNTARILY SET ASIDE FOUR UNITS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED AT 100 PERCENT AMI, BUT THE PROJECT WOULDN'T PENCIL OUT IF WE HAD TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER.

I WISH IT DID, BUT IT DOESN'T.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

COMMISSIONER LOY, OR COMMISSIONER PAUL, SORRY.

NO PROBLEM.

THANKS.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE THAT SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT AND ALSO JUST STATE THAT I AM SYMPATHETIC TO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD.

I WAS WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER MORE KIND OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PRESENT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

MY CONCERN MOSTLY BEING THAT ESPECIALLY THE HOMEOWNERS THAT MAY HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO TRACT M KIND OF COUNTING ON WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND BEING, WHAT OTHER COMMUNITY KIND OF CENTRIC RESOURCES ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITY AMENITIES THERE ARE THROUGHOUT THE PRESIDIO SUBDIVISION? WELL, I KNOW THAT THE ZONING IN THE WAY THAT THE PLAT WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT LEFT THE AREA OPEN FOR EITHER A CHURCH, POTENTIALLY SOME SORT OF LIGHT COMMERCIAL OR A.

I WAS LOOKING EXACTLY IN OUR REPORTS THROUGH ALL THESE STACKS OF PAPER FOR THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS USED.

BUT I THOUGHT IT REFERENCED A POTENTIAL FOR COMMUNITY RESOURCE OR COMMUNITY.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED IN SOME CAPACITY BY OTHERS WITHIN THE PRESIDIO DEVELOPMENT.

I MAY HAVE MISREAD THAT OR MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I COULDN'T FIND THE EXACT VERBIAGE THROUGH MY HIGHLIGHTS AND NOTES HERE.

BUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD KIND OF GENERALLY FIT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, AT LEAST THROUGH READING THROUGH THIS AS TO WHAT THE EXPECTATION OF WHAT THIS AREA WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED AS DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, EXISTS CURRENTLY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AS IS.

SURE.

OK, I THINK I UNDERSTAND BETTER NOW.

AND BY THE WAY, I THINK YOUR MEMORY IS PRETTY GOOD.

I ALSO DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PULLED UP IN FRONT OF ME.

BUT THE IDEA WAS A CHURCH OR SOME TYPE OF AN INDOOR COMMUNITY CENTER.

NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS ACROSS THE YEARS CAME TO PASS.

I THINK TIFFANY ANTOL PROBABLY PROVIDED THE BEST EXPLANATION OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL CONSTRAINTS ON A PROPERTY LIKE THIS THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITHIN THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

THAT'S HALF A MILE TO THE NORTH THERE AT ROUTE 66.

IT WAS WITH THAT IN MIND THAT MIRAMONTE APPROACHED THE CITY COUNCIL AND SUGGESTED THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SITE TO FULFILL A HOUSING NEED TO FURTHER THE CITY'S EMERGENCY HOUSING DECLARATION.

AND UPON CONSIDERATION, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY THAT THEY ALSO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

AND, OF COURSE, THE PRESIDIO IS A HOUSING SUBDIVISION.

AND SO WE'RE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY OR SPACE FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE CARDS.

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I DON'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE CARDS ON TRACT M.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY COMMUNITY AMENITIES WITHIN THE PRESIDIO.

PARKS AND DOG PARKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT I DON'T THINK A DEVELOPED COMMUNITY CENTER.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

IT DOES.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OR QUESTIONS? I THINK.

WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY MOVE ON TO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD.

I WILL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, THIS CASE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE PRESIDIO WHO SPOKE UP TODAY AND PRESENTED REALLY CLEAR COMMENTS ON THIS.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THESE PLANNED COMMUNITIES COME BACK.

A LOT OF THESE WERE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WITH A CERTAIN IDEA IN MIND 20 YEARS AGO OR SO.

AND OF COURSE, IDEAS CHANGE ABOUT WHAT CREATES, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY IN THIS CASE.

THERE WAS I THINK THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT THERE WERE SOME VERY HIGH DENSITY AREAS PLANNED ORIGINALLY FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS QUITE A STEP DOWN IN TERMS OF DENSITY TO DEVELOP THIS TRACT IN THIS WAY.

AND SO I THINK THAT JUST REFLECTS.

YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS, THE WAY THINGS HAVE GONE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CONVERSATION FOR A LONG TIME, FOR MANY YEARS NOW, AND IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT IN FLAGSTAFF TO CREATE REALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SO THIS WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS THIS IDEA OF A FEW UNITS HERE AND A FEW UNITS THERE.

AND THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE REALLY SUSTAINABLE WAY TO INSERT AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO THE ENVIRONMENT HERE.

MEANWHILE, THE NEED FOR JUST HOUSING IN GENERAL, MARKET RATE HOUSING, THERE'S JUST A GREAT NEED FOR IT.

AND I THINK AT 39 UNITS, THIS DOESN'T ENCUMBER THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T OVERLY ENCUMBER THE COMMUNITY.

ALSO, I FEEL LIKE, THE AIRBNB SHORT TERM RENTAL SITUATION, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT CAN BE CONTROLLED BY REGULATIONS, I THINK IT IS BEING CONTROLLED.

YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL FOR AN HOA FOR THIS DOES ADDRESS THAT.

AS FAR AS STUDENT HOUSING.

WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF STUDENT HOUSING.

THIS DOES NOT AT ALL SEEM LIKE IT'S DESIGNED TO BE THAT WAY.

OF COURSE, PEOPLE CAN ANYBODY CAN BUY A HOUSING UNIT, BUT IT REALLY DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THAT SORT OF A DESIGN.

AND SO I FIND THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A VERY REASONABLE PROJECT, AND I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

YOU KNOW, I TOO HAVE THERE'S SOME MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS NOT WANTING TO HAVE A THREE STORY BUILDING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW WE HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE A TWO STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND TO BE HONEST, IT'S NOT DONE ANYTHING BADLY TO THE PRICES OF OUR HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS.

YEAH, IT'S MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM NAU IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.

BUT I TOO, FEEL LIKE HAVING THIRTY NINE UNITS IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE

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NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NEGATIVE WAYS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS FEEL.

PARKING.

YOU KNOW, I CHOSE MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GOT WIDER STREETS.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO NAVIGATE NARROW STREETS.

SO WHILE I THINK THAT MAY BE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.

THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS.

YEAH, AT ANY TIME HERE, WE COULD HAVE A MOTION REGARDING THIS ITEM JUST TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

I CAN.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PZ-19- 00204-03 PRESIDIO TRACT M A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT REQUESTS FROM MIRAMONTE PRESIDIO LLC TO ESTABLISH A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TRACT M WITHIN THE PRESIDIO IN THE PINES MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE PRD CONSISTS OF THIRTY NINE MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TWO POINT SEVEN SEVEN ACRES LOCATED AT 2340 SOUTH WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD WITHIN THE CITY COMMERCIAL ZONE WITH THE RECOMMENDED ACTIONS.

RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS BY STAFF.

WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FROM STAFF.

AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS.

AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS.

YES.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THIS MOTION.

AND WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED NAY, NAY.

NAY.

OK, I COUNTED THREE NAYS AND TWO AYES.

BUT THAT WAS JUST MY EARS ON THIS IS THERE SO.

IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS FOR TO RECOMMEND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO NOW WE NEED TO HAVE.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION.

JUST TO COVER ALL OF THE BASES, YOU'LL NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

SO WHAT THAT MOTION WOULD BE, FOR INSTANCE, STEPHANIE, WOULD BE TO DENY THIS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO SINCE THE.

IT CAN BE THE SAME EXACT MOTION, EXCEPT STARTING WITH TO DENY THE MOTION INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

YEP.

AND SO DO WE HAVE THAT MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO DENY STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL OF PZ-19-00204-03 WITH CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAUL I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE THEN, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO DENY.

AYE, AYE, AYE.

AND ALL OPPOSED, NAY.

AYE OR NAY, YEA.

CAN YOU CAN DO A ROLL CALL ON THE VOTE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO LLOYD PAUL.

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OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD, BECKY.

LLOYD PAUL.

AYE FOR DENIAL.

JUST TO CLARIFY.

ERIC NOLAN.

AYE FOR DENIAL.

RICARDO GUTHRIE.

AYE FOR DENIAL.

MARIE JONES.

NAY FOR DENIAL AND CAROLE MANDINO NAY FOR DENIAL.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THIS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

OK, WELL, WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM B, WHICH IS PZ-19-00022-05

[B. PZ-19-00022-05 Cedar Medical A Conditional Use Permit request from Apricus Health to use approximately 17,000 square feet of a forthcoming 44,702 square foot office building located at 1895 N Jasper Drive for a Hospital use. The parcel, APN 101-46-012B, is zoned Research and Development (RD) and is located within the McMillan Mesa Village Specific Plan development area “F”. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: In accordance with the findings presented in this report, staff recommends approval of PZ-19-00022-05 with conditions. ]

CEDAR MEDICAL.

THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AGAIN, REQUEST FROM APRICUS HEALTH.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT.

TO USE APPROXIMATELY SEVENTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF A FORTHCOMING FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWO SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED AT 1895 NORTH JASPER DRIVE FOR HOSPITAL USE.

THIS PARCEL IS ZONED RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA F.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS? YES.

YES, WE DO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, CAN HEAR AND CAN SEE ALSO SEE YOUR PRESENTATION.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS PATRICK SINCLAIR.

I'M A CITY OF FLAGSTAFF PLANNING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE CEDAR MEDICAL PHASE TWO APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THE CASE PZ-19-00022-05.

THE APPLICATION REQUEST IS FROM APRICUS HEALTH TO USE APPROXIMATELY SEVENTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF A FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWO SQUARE FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING IN 1895 NORTH JASPER DRIVE FOR A HOSPITAL USE WITHIN THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONE.

THE BUILDING IS LOCATED ON A FORTY FOUR POINT SIXTY SIX ACRE PARCEL AND IS WITHIN THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA F.

SHOWN IN BLUE OUTLINE ON THE VICINITY AND USE MAP, THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

THIS ZONE APPLIES TO AREAS OF THE CITY APPROPRIATE FOR A MIX OF PROFESSIONAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES.

RESEARCH, TESTING AND OFFICE USES, AMONG OTHERS GROUPED IN A CAMPUS OR PARK, LIKE SETTING SIMILAR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE PROPERTY, ARE ALSO SOUGHT FOR OR SOUGHT BY THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR AREA F.

NORTH OF THE SITE IS ADJACENT UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES ZONED RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, EAST OF THE PARCEL GUARDIAN MEDICAL TRANSPORT AND REHABILITATION HOSPITAL OF NORTHERN ARIZONA ARE BOTH IN THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONE.

SOUTH OF THE SITE IS HIGHGATE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, A CONGREGATE CARE RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE PARCEL ZONED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WEST OF THE SITE IS AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL DEDICATED TO THE PROTECTION OF MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE NATURAL RESOURCES, A SCHOOL AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES ARE WITHIN THE SURROUNDING VICINITY.

THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING RECEIVED SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON APRIL 16TH, 2021 AND HAS SINCE OBTAINED CIVIL AND BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL.

CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING IS UNDERWAY ON AUGUST 4TH, 2021 IDS STAFF APPROVED A MINOR MODIFICATION TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR THE SITE ON THE CONDITION THAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE APPROVED.

THE MINOR MODIFICATION REVISED THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE PROPOSED HOSPITAL USE AREA IN THE BUILDING AND INCLUDES AMBULANCE DROP OFF AND HOSPITAL SERVICE DROP.

THE PROPOSED HOSPITAL WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX TO EIGHT EMERGENCY ROOMS AND EIGHT TO TEN PATIENT RECOVERY ROOMS LICENSED THROUGH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES.

THE FACILITY WILL BE STAFFED 24/7.

THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT SHOWS THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING PARKING, VEHICULAR ACCESS, CIVIC SPACES AND PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE.

SITUATED BETWEEN FOREST AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND JASPER DRIVE ALONG THE EAST, HOMESITE SIDEWALKS CONNECT THROUGH CIVIC SPACES TO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK ALONG JASPER DRIVE AND CONNECT WITH THE CIVIC SPACES AND SIDEWALKS ARE SHOWN BY PURPLE LINE AND SHADING.

THE HOSPITAL USE AREA IS SHOWN IN LIGHT ORANGE.

THE AMBULANCE DROP OFF IN BLUE AND THE SERVICE DRIVING GREEN.

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THE PROPOSED AMBULANCE PATH AND TRAVEL IS INDICATED BY THE RED ARROWS.

PLEASE ORIENT YOURSELF TO THE KEY PLAN AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THE SLIDE.

THE HOSPITAL USE WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 38 PERCENT OF THE EXISTING MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING FLOOR PLAN AND USES AN EXISTING BUILDING ENTRY ALONG THE EAST ELEVATION AS ITS MAIN ENTRY SHOWN BY THE RED ARROW.

THE APPROVED BUILDING ELEVATION'S FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING EMPLOYEE MASONRY AND METAL AND EARTH STONE FINISHES AS A PRIMARY BUILDING MATERIALS AND ARE SIMILAR TO OTHER MATERIALS USED IN EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.

THE BUILDING APPEARANCE AND STYLE CONFORMS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE ZONING CODE AND INCORPORATES VARIOUS LIKE PYRAMIDS ALONG THE SLOPED ROOF FORMS, COMMON FLAGSTAFF DESIGN TRADITIONS.

THE KEY PLAN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THIS SLIDE SHOWS VIA THE RED ARROW, THE ONE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING AFFECTED BY THE HOSPITAL USE WITHIN THE BLUE SQUARE.

ON THE ELEVATION, THE PROPOSED AMBULANCE DROP OFF INTEGRATES WELL INTO THE EXTERIOR DESIGN.

THE PROPOSED SERVICE DRIVE LEADS TO THE DOORWAY WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE ON THE ELEVATION.

AGAIN, A FITTING PIECE OF COMPOSITION.

THE HOSPITAL USE AMBULANCE DROP OFF AND SERVICE DRIVE ARE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

HOSPITAL USE WILL REQUIRE A GENERATOR FOR EMERGENCY CONDITIONS AND STAFF ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THE FINAL HOSPITAL GENERATOR LOCATION.

THE PURPOSE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS TO PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR REVIEWING USES AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN AN APPLICABLE ZONE THAT REQUIRE MORE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW IN THE POSSIBLE IMPOSITION OF CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED USE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ONLY AFTER MAKING THREE FINDINGS, THE FIRST OF THESE FINDINGS TO DETERMINE IF THE CONDITIONAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ZONING CODE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PARCEL ZONE.

REGARDING FINDING, NUMBER ONE, THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING HAS RECEIVED SIGHT PLAN APPROVAL.

A MINOR MODIFICATION TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS SHOWING THE HOSPITAL USE AMBULANCE DROP AND SERVICE DRIVE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY IDS STAFF WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BE APPROVED.

HOSPITAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONE TO PROVIDE A MIX OF PROFESSIONAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES WITHIN A CAMPUS OR PARK LIKE SETTING.

AS IS THE SITUATION WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE HOSPITAL USES 38 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILT.

OFFICE BUILDING FLOOR OR SITE PLAN.

HOSPITAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED SURROUNDING USES AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS HAVE SEEN A VARIETY OF MEDICAL USES LOCATED WITHIN MCMILLAN MESA AND THESE MEDICAL USES DO NOT APPEAR IN CONFLICT WITH THE NEIGHBORING SCHOOL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.

HOSPITAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND GOALS OF THE ZONING CODE.

THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONE IN THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE PARCEL.

THE SECOND FINDING TO BE MADE IS THAT GRANTING THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

REGARDING FINDING TWO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, FLOOR PLANS ELEVATION'S AND LANDSCAPE PLAN CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE.

BUILDING ARE ALSO REVIEWED AND APPROVED.

ANY CHANGES REQUIRED TO THE APPROVED CIVIL DRAWING AND BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS BASED ON APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO RESUBMIT AND APPROVAL THROUGH NOT APPEAR TO BE DETRIMENTAL.

AND AS THE HOSPITAL IS LIMITED IN SCALE AND INTENSITY, IT POSES NO UNDUE NUISANCE OR HAZARD TO HOSPITAL USE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

THE LAST FINDING REQUIRED IS TO DETERMINE IF THE SUP AND PROPOSED USE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE TYPES OF USES PERMITTED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF ZONING CODE SECTION 102040050E3, THE POINTS OF WHICH ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE REGARDING FINDING NUMBER THREE, THE HOSPITAL USE HAS MINIMAL IMPACT ON SITE ACCESS, PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ON SITE.

THE DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES ADEQUATE VEHICLE PARKING AND EXCEEDS THE REQUIRED BICYCLE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

AMBULANCE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY A HOSPITAL WILL NOT AFFECT TRAFFIC ALREADY ANTICIPATED BY THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE SPECIFIC PLAN TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

THE SITE PLAN SHOWS CIVIC SPACE AREA IN EXCESS OF THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.

AND THIS IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE HOSPITAL USE.

THEY'RE NOT DETRIMENTAL IN TERMS OF NOISE LIGHT VISUAL OR OTHER POLLUTANTS.

STAFF WILL RECOMMEND A CONDITION ON THE HOSPITAL USE LIMITING AMBULANCE SIRENS IN THE HOSPITAL VICINITY.

THE BUILDING MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONE IN THE MCMILLAN MESA VILLAGE.

SPECIFIC PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

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STANDARDS OF THE ZONING CODE IS COMPATIBLE IN DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, SCALE AND CONTINUITY WITH SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

THE AMBULANCE DROP OFF AND SERVICE DRIVE VERY WELL INTO THE BUILDING.

EXTERIOR DESIGN AND ONSITE LANDSCAPING ACCOMMODATES THE AMBULANCE DROP OFF AND SERVICE DROP.

RESOURCE PROTECTION AND CITY UTILITIES ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE MASTER PLANNING IN MCMILLAN MESA ARE NOT IMPACTED BY THE HOSPITAL USE IN A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY FOR THE PARCEL HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER.

SIGNAGE FOR THE PARCEL WILL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THROUGH A PERMANENT SIGNED PERMIT APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE.

OUTDOOR LIGHTING IN THE PARCEL HAS BEEN APPROVED, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPROVED OUTDOOR LIGHTING PERMIT REQUIRED BY THE HOSPITAL USE WILL BE ADDRESSED IN A REVISED LIGHTING PERMIT APPLICATION.

NO DEDICATION OR DEVELOPMENT OF STREETS IS REQUIRED FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH FINDING NUMBER THREE.

ONE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD FOR THIS PROJECT ON JUNE 28, 2021.

TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PUBLIC ATTENDED THE MEETING.

A FULL REPORT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT NO SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES WERE RAISED BY THE ATTENDEES PERTAINING TO THE HOSPITAL USE TRAFFIC, NOISE, LIGHTING OR OTHER ISSUES.

THE GENERAL TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WERE THE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE HOSPITAL.

THE SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS WAIVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.

BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SINCE ROUTING THIS REPORT, STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL EMAIL REQUESTS FOR BASIC INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSAL.

NEITHER EMAILS CONTAIN SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT ON THE PROPOSAL IN THE REQUESTED INFORMATION WAS ISSUED STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE FINAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE SHALL CONFORM TO THE PLANS AS PRESENTED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.

THE SITE PLAN, AS APPROVED BY THE IDS STAFF ON APRIL 16, 2021, AND WITH THE MINOR MODIFICATION TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AS APPROVED ON AUGUST 4TH, 2021.

ANY ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN SHALL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL REVIEW BY THE IDS TEAM, UNLESS WARRANTED BY TRAFFIC OR OTHER SAFETY ISSUES.

AMBULANCE SIRENS FOR THE HOSPITAL USE WILL NOT BE ACTIVATED UNTIL THE INTERSECTIONS OF GEMINI ROAD AND FOREST AVENUE.

WITH THAT, I'M AT THE END OF STAFF'S PRESENTATION OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES.

YEAH, SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS THE PROPOSED HOSPITAL MOVE THAT WOULD MOVE THINGS NEAR FORT TUTHILL.

WOULD THIS BE ONE OF THE FEW SERVICES IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVICE A GREATER NEIGHBORHOOD IN ABSENCE OF THE HOSPITAL? DO WE KNOW WHEN THE HOSPITAL MOVES WILL THERE STILL BE SOME BASIC SERVICES PROVIDED THERE, OR WOULD THIS BASICALLY BE IT FOR THAT AREA? I DO NOT KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF THE HOSPITAL'S PLANS FOR RELOCATION, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL.

PROVIDE SERVICES THAT MAY BE MOVING OUT OF THAT AREA.

THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE MORE INSIGHTFUL ANSWER ON THAT WHEN THEY PROPOSED OR WHEN THEY PRESENT.

BUT IT'S MY I CAN'T FULLY FULLY ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I DON'T.

FULLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE REMOVING IF THEY DO MOVE.

OK, SO THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING THEN.

YES, I BELIEVE THAT HAS A SMALL PRESENTATION AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THAT QUESTION.

OK, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

MM HMM.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANTS STAFF PRESENTATION? YOU DON'T SEE ANY SO.

IT IS CHAIRMAN JONES OR VICE CHAIR JONES COMMISSION.

NICE TO HEAR.

NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU I'M GOING TO TURN MY CAMERA ON TO SAY HELLO AND THEN TURN MY CAMERA OFF TO MAKE MY PRESENTATION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MIKE PRESENTATION HERE.

LINDSAY, I KNOW WE ALL KNOW YOU, BUT WILL YOU PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD, TELL US WHO

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YOU ARE? ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'RE THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RECORD.

MY NAME IS LINDSAY SHUBE.

I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF GAMMAGE AND BURNHAM, 40 NORTH CENTRAL.

DOWN HERE IN PHENIX, ARIZONA.

MIKE IS GOING TO BACK UP ONE.

WITH ME IS MIKE LIFE AND PLANNING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR WORKING WITH MIKE ON THIS APPLICATION.

AND WE'RE TEACHING THEM ALL OF THE WONDERFUL FLAGSTAFF CODE.

WITH ME I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF APRICUS I HAVE A ARCHITECT.

WE'VE GOT A BIG DEVELOPMENT TEAM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

AS MENTIONED BY PATRICK, I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DO A THOROUGH PRESENTATION, AS YOUR STAFF ALWAYS DOES.

SO I OMITTED VICINITY MAP AND SITE PLAN, AS I KNEW HE WOULD COVER THAT IN GREAT DETAIL.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, MIKE.

SO WHAT I WANT TO DO AND I'LL TOUCH ON YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, AND I AM GOING TO ADDRESS WASTE BEFORE YOU EVEN ASK ME ABOUT IT.

SO BUT LET'S START BY TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT APRICUS.

APRICUS IS A HEALTH CARE COMPANY CREATED BY ARIZONA DOCTORS WITH THE MISSION OF MAKING HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE AND CONVENIENT.

AND SO, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT THESE MICRO HOSPITALS ARE.

THEY ARE URGENT CARE PLUS FOR THE LAYPERSON, RIGHT.

I'M NOT A DOCTOR.

I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE.

BUT THEY CAN DO MORE THAN AN URGENT CARE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BURDENING THAT THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM.

AND SO REGARDLESS OF THE HOSPITAL MOVE, WHICH I SEE IN THE CHART, I'M SURE TIFFANY, YOUR LOCAL HOSPITAL EXPERT, CAN ASK, CAN ANSWER WHAT'S STILL GOING TO BE LEFT THERE.

BUT THE ADDITION OF THESE MICRO HOSPITALS IS TO HELP MAKE HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE AND CONVENIENT.

AND THAT'S OUR GOAL HERE TONIGHT.

APRICUS WORKS WITH LOCAL INDEPENDENT PHYSICIANS TO IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE OF HEALTH HEALTH CARE OUTCOME FOR ITS PATIENTS BY BRINGING COORDINATED HEALTH CARE BETWEEN THE PRIMARY CARE AND SPECIALTY CARE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, MIKE.

PATRICK HIT ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, THAT THE PURPOSE HERE IS WE ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVED MEDICAL BUILDING.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, REGARDLESS.

BUT 62 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING IS STILL GOING TO BE USED FOR MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN OUR ZONING CATEGORY.

THE REASON WHY WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TONIGHT IS TO ALLOW FOR 38 PERCENT OF THE BUILDING.

SO 17000 SQUARE FEET TO BE USED FOR THIS ANCILLARY MICRO HOSPITAL.

AS PATRICK TOUCHED UPON, WE HAVE EIGHT, SIX TO EIGHT EMERGENCY ROOM EMERGENCY ROOMS AND THEN EIGHT TO TEN KIND OF PATIENT OR RECOVERY ROOMS TO PROVIDE THE FULL SPECTRUM OF CARE.

AGAIN, THE PRIMARY COMPONENT OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS MEDICAL OFFICE.

AND TO BE CLEAR AND TO COMMISSIONER NOLAN QUESTION, THE MICRO HOSPITAL DOES NOT OPERATE IN THE SIZE AND THE SCALE OF A TRADITIONAL HOSPITAL.

BUT IT'S ALLOWING THAT COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIALTY SERVICES THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PRIMARY CARE, ABOVE AN URGENT CARE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE FINDINGS, EVEN THOUGH MY FINDINGS LOOK A LOT LIKE PATRICK'S, SO I'LL KEEP THEM.

I LIKE IT WHEN WHEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

BUT WE DO FIND THAT THE SUP IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE ZONING CODE AND THE PURPOSE OF YOUR RD ZONING DISTRICT.

AGAIN, THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT APPLIES TO AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A MIX OF PROFESSIONAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES, RESEARCH AND TESTING LIGHT MANUFACTURERS, LIGHT MANUFACTURING USES GREEN TECHNOLOGY AND OFFICES, AND THEY'RE GROUPED IN CAMPUS OR PARK LIKE SETTINGS TO KEEP KEEPING WITH THE NATURAL SCENIC BEAUTY OF THE CITY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS SITE.

WE DO FEEL AND AS PATRICK MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS IS A COMPLEMENT TO THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE EXISTING BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE COMING INTO.

AGAIN, OUR FACILITY WILL HAVE MEDICAL A VARIETY OF MEDICAL USES THAT ARE ALREADY STRATEGICALLY LOCATED.

SORRY.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH OTHER MEDICAL USES THAT HAVE ALREADY STRATEGICALLY LOCATED IN THIS AREA.

THEY'VE ALL PROVEN TO BE COMPATIBLE SURROUNDING LAND USE AREAS, AND THE APPROVAL

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OF THE SUP WILL ALLOW FOR A USE THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT ALREADY THE SURROUNDING USES AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.

THAT'S A CONSISTENT WORD THAT PATRICK AND I BOTH USE IS IS COMPATIBILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO FIND.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDING NO TO THE GRANTING OF THE SUP WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.

AGAIN, FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, THE PROPOSED MICRO HOSPITAL WILL ONLY HAVE SIX TO EIGHT EMERGENCY ROOMS AND EIGHT TO TEN RECOVERY ROOMS AND DOES NOT OPERATE AT THE INTENSITY AND SCALE OF THE TYPICAL HOSPITAL.

ANY AMBULANCE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE FACILITY.

WELL, A LOT OF IT IS IS ORDINARY MEDICAL TRANSPORTS THAT DON'T HAVE SIRENS OR LIGHTS.

SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A PATIENT THAT REQUIRES THAT AMBULATORY TRANSPORT, BUT NOT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

AND THEREFORE, THE SIRENS AND LIGHTS AREN'T REQUIRED.

AND WE DO AGREE TO COMPLY WITH STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, AS PROPOSED BY STAFF IN ORDER TO LIMIT IF THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OR NECESSITY FOR THE SIRENS OR LIGHTS TO WAIT UNTIL THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

SO WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND AGREED TO THAT.

SO I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE LITTLE, IF ANY, IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

CONDITIONAL USE, PERMIT FINDING, NUMBER THREE, THE SUP AND PROPOSED USE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE TYPES OF USES PERMITTED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

I THINK PATRICK AND I BEAT THIS TO DEATH, BUT IT'S SMALL IN SCALE, AND I SUBMIT TO YOU WILL BE WILL BE FULLY COMPATIBLE.

PATRICK HIT ON IT, TOO.

BUT THE PROJECT DOES PROVIDE NINE POINT THREE NINE PERCENT PUBLIC CIVIC SPACE, WHICH EXCEEDS OUR FIVE PERCENT REQUIREMENT BY THE ZONING CODE.

AND AGAIN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMBULANCE TRAFFIC, WHICH WILL BE LIGHT ANYWAY, WILL JUST BE MEDICAL TRANSPORTS WITHOUT THE LIGHTS OR SIRENS.

ANY NOISE, LIGHT OR POLLUTANTS GENERATED BY THE FACILITY WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER USES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO BEFORE I GET TO MY CONCLUSION AND I FEEL LIKE I'M I FEEL LIKE I'M PICKING ON YOU A LITTLE BIT COMMISSIONER NOLAN, BUT WASTE AND WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US ABOUT IT.

APRICUS ACTUALLY PARTNERS WITH A GROUP CALLED MEDLINE, AND THEY HAVE A VERY ROBUST RECYCLING PROGRAM.

IN ADDITION TO THEIR RECYCLING PROGRAM, THEY INTEND TO HAVE A MEDICAL DEVICE RECYCLING PROGRAM AT THIS FACILITY CALLED RENEWAL.

AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS RENEWAL TAKES SINGLE USE DEVICES, FOLLOWS A DISINFECTION AND STERILIZATION PROTOCOL TO A AVOID WASTE AND TO HELP WITH THE AFFORDABILITY OF THESE MEDICAL DEVICES.

SO ALLOWING SINGLE USE MEDICAL DEVICES TO HAVE MULTIPLE LIFE, MULTIPLE USES OR LIVES WITH DIFFERENT WITH DIFFERENT PATIENTS.

ANY ITEM THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR RECYCLING, WE DO CONTRACT WITH FOR LOCAL STERILE DISPOSAL.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME MEDICAL DISPOSALS THAT ARE REGULATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

RIGHT THAN NORMAL WASTE.

BUT WE DO TAKE OUR RECYCLING, OUR COMMITMENT TO RECYCLING INTO THE COMMUNITY VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND I ALSO THINK THE PARTNERSHIP WITH RENEWAL AND TAKING THOSE SINGLE USE DEVICES NOT ONLY HELPS WITH WASTE, BUT ALSO HELPS WITH AFFORDABILITY.

SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BOTH OF ALL THOSE MULTIPLE PROGRAMS TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

SO I COME TO YOU WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH NO KNOWN NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION.

THE MEDICAL OFFICE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY BY RIGHT UNDER THE EXISTING RD ZONING.

AND SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS SUP BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, IF YOU SO GRANT THAT APPROVAL, IT SIMPLY ALLOWS THE FACILITIES, ANCILLARY, YOU KNOW, 38 PERCENT TO FUNCTION AS A MICRO HOSPITAL TO PROVIDE ACCESSIBLE MEDICINE TO THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN FLAGSTAFF.

SO ACTUALLY, I'M NOT STANDING I'M SITTING.

NORMALLY I'D BE STANDING.

I'M SITTING BEFORE YOU RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING APPROVAL AND STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MANDINO? YES, I'M JUST I'M STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED OF WHO ARE THEY DOCTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY? ARE THEY DOCTORS IN THE PHENIX COMMUNITY? MY MAJOR CONCERN IS IF THE HOSPITAL RELOCATES, WHICH IS THE PLAN, THEN WE HAVE A

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MEDICAL FACILITY THAT'S SITTING VACANT.

BUT YET WE'VE JUST BUILT A NEW MEDICAL FACILITY WITHIN A MILE OF THE OTHER FACILITY, SO.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHY THIS LOCATION? WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL.

WHO WOULD BE TAKEN THERE? HOW WOULD YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKEN WHEN YOU CALL FOR AMBULANCE SERVICES? IS IT YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER OWNED FACILITIES THAT DO SURGERIES AND OUTPATIENT TYPE THINGS THAT ARE OWNED BY LOCAL DOCTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IS THAT WHAT THE REST OF THE FACILITY IS? I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

THAT'S GOOD.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF YOU'D LIKE, COMMISSIONER MANDINO, LINDSAY SHUBE, FAMILY MEDICAL CARE IS OWNED IS OWNED BY APRICUS, BUT YES, THEY ARE LOCAL DOCTORS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, LOCAL DOCTORS IN YOUR COMMUNITY WILL HAVE SPACE IN IN THE MEDICAL CLINIC, IN THE MEDICAL OFFICE.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY USE OF THIS BUILDING.

AND THE ACCESSORY USE IS THEIR ABILITY TO DO MORE SPECIALIZED SERVICE.

SO IF YOU DO HAVE A LOCAL DOCTOR AND YOU WANT TO SEE THEM, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AT THIS FACILITY.

PATIENTS WON'T COME HERE VIA AMBULANCE.

THIS IS A YOU WANT TO CHOOSE TO GO HERE BECAUSE IT IS YOUR LOCAL FLAGSTAFF DOCTOR.

WE HAVE THE WE'RE THE LARGEST PRIMARY CARE PRACTICE IN FLAGSTAFF.

AND AGAIN, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO SPECIALISTS IN TIMELY AND COST EFFECTIVE MODE.

BUT IT IS LOCAL DOCTORS AND IT IS TO COMPLEMENT WHAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL FOR, WHERE YOU CAN USE GO TO A SPECIALIST OR YOUR LOCAL DOCTOR.

AND, YES, THE LOCAL DOCTORS ARE THEY'RE BUYING IN THEIR OWNERS TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO IF MY DOCTOR IS A PART OF THAT OWNERSHIP, I WOULDN'T BE USING THAT FACILITY.

NO, WELL, YOU COULD YOU COULD THERE WILL BE DIAGNOSTIC TESTING IN THIS IN THE IN THE MEDICAL HOSPITAL.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO GO HERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU WANTED TO COME HERE, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO GO HERE.

YOUR DOCTOR MAY OR MAY NOT THEY'LL PARTNER WITH THIS GROUP OF PHYSICIANS, BUT THEY ARE LOW.

AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT AMBULANCE SERVICES, HOW WOULD I.

IT WOULD JUST BE WALK IN EMERGENCY CARE.

AND I ACTUALLY.

CINDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW IF CINDY IS ON, PEOPLE WOULD PREDOMINANTLY DRIVE OR WALK IN IT, BUT IT IS OWNED BY MEDICAL DOCTORS.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT A TRAUMA HOSPITAL.

IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, THE AMBULANCE CARE, WHICH WILL BE VERY, VERY LIMITED, WOULD BE YOU HAVE A BROKEN LEG, YOU CALL YOUR DOCTOR, YOU GET AN AMBULANCE TO TAKE YOU THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO SOMEONE FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE YOU THERE.

IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A THIS IS AN APPROVED BUILDING THAT WILL BE USED FOR MEDICAL USES.

AND SO THAT THE LOCAL DOCTORS JUST WANT TO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE FOR ACCESSIBILITY OF MEDICINE.

SO IF I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK, LET'S SAY THE HOSPITAL MOVES OUT TO THE FORT TUTHILL AREA, I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK.

I CALL AMBULANCE SERVICES.

YOUR FACILITY IS MUCH CLOSER TO ME THAN FORT TUTHILL.

I WILL STILL BE TRANSPORTED TO FORT TUTHILL.

YES, YES.

UNLESS UNLESS THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE YOU WANTED TO GO TO THIS FACILITY OR THERE WAS A DOCTOR THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLED YOU.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO JUST SHOW UP.

BUT BUT NO, IT'S NOT A TRAUMA HOSPITAL.

IT DOESN'T FUNCTION.

WE HAVE NO TIES TO THE HOSPITAL.

IT IS JUST YOUR LOCAL FAMILY DOCTORS.

SO.

SO THE E.R.

REALLY ISN'T OPERATING AS AN E.R.? NO, IT IS AN URGENT CARE PLUS.

FOR SOME OF YOUR LOCAL DOCTORS, BUT YOUR WHEN YOU WERE PRESENTING, YOU REFERRED TO IT AS AN E.R.. IF I IF I DID, I APOLOGIZE.

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I JUST IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO ME.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK I DID IT.

IT'S BASICALLY IT'S AN URGENT CARE PLUS WITH SOME OVERNIGHT BEDS.

AND IT'S REFERRED THAT WAY BY THE STATE LICENSING.

BUT IT TRULY DOES FUNCTION.

AGAIN, YOUR LOCAL DOCTORS HAVE THE ABILITY.

IT'S JUST CONSIDERED A HOSPITAL UNDER THE ZONING CODE BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY FOR FOR PATIENTS TO STAY OVERNIGHT IF WE NEED TO.

IT'S NOT A TYPICAL HOSPITAL.

OK, SO IT MAY BE A LOWER COST PLACE TO GO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES, CORRECT? CORRECT, COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

THANK YOU.

AND WITH THE WITH THE HOSPITAL, THEY KEEPING THE CURRENT FACILITY AND WITH DOCTORS LIKING TO BE WITHIN THE.

NEARBY THE HOSPITAL SO THEY CAN PRACTICE YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE PRACTICING PHYSICIANS IN THE HOSPITAL.

HOW DO YOU SEE THIS CONTINUING THAT THESE DOCTORS WON'T BE MOVING OUT TO WHERE THE HOSPITAL WILL BE LOCATED? SO THAT IS GETTING.

AGAIN, WE DON'T WORK FOR THE HOSPITAL AND THESE DOCTORS DON'T WORK FOR THE HOSPITAL.

SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE NOT MORE YOUR PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS.

WE DO NOT INTEND.

YOU WOULDN'T COME HERE IN LIEU OF GOING TO THE HOSPITAL IF YOU WERE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL.

OH, CINDY.

CINDY IS WITH APRICUS.

SHE JUST TURNED HER CAMERA ON AND VERY NICE.

CINDY CAN JUMP IN.

THE HOSPITAL HAS THEIR OWN MEDICAL PROVIDERS.

SO I THINK THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT POINT, THIS IS A VERY SEPARATE BRANCH OF MEDICAL CARE.

AGAIN, JUST TO HAVE ACCESSIBLE MEDICINE OUT IN THIS PART OF FLAGSTAFF.

BUT CINDY, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP ON FOR A MOMENT.

COMMISSIONER JONES.

CHAIRMAN JONES, IF I MAY.

YES.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I SAW HER POP UP.

SO THANK YOU.

OK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

PERFECT.

HI.

SO I'M THE PROVIDING LIAISON FOR APRICUS HEALTH, AND I ALSO AM THE PRACTICE ADMINISTRATOR FOR FLAGSTAFF FAMILY CARE HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.

SO WE HAVE FOUR LOCATIONS HERE IN FLAGSTAFF, ONE IN SEDONA.

SO ALL OF OUR PROVIDERS WILL BE A PART OF THIS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE AN URGENT CARE THERE, WHICH IS THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE URGENT CARE IS IF YOU COME IN, MAYBE NEED SOME IVS, YOU NEED AN OVERNIGHT STAY.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TRANSFER YOU FROM THE URGENT CARE TO THE MICRO HOSPITAL.

AND THERE'S ALSO SURGEONS THAT ARE BUYING IN TOO THEY WILL HAVE AN OUTPATIENT SURGERY CENTER THERE.

SO THERE'S SURGEONS THAT ARE BUYING IN AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO OUTPATIENT SURGERIES THERE AT A LOWER COST SET FOR YOU.

AND THEN IF YOU DO NEED OVERNIGHT STAY, SOMETIMES THE SURGERY REQUIRES AN OVERNIGHT STAY FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.

THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE MICRO HOSPITAL INSTEAD OF BEING THEN TRANSFERRED.

RIGHT NOW, AT THE MOST THEY ASK IS IF YOU DO NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND THEY HAVE TO TRANSFER YOU TO THE HOSPITAL FOR OVERNIGHT STAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE AMBULANCE TO THE TO THE MAIN HOSPITAL.

SO THAT THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE FOR THE MICRO HOSPITALS IS AN EXTENSION FOR THE URGENT CARE AND FOR THE SURGERY CENTER.

SO IT'S MORE OF A SURGERY CENTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE? YES, IT WILL.

IT ABSOLUTELY WILL.

WE'LL DO THAT NEED.

AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST TOTALLY INDEPENDENT FROM THE HOSPITAL AND A DIFFERENT SERVICE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

THESE ARE GENERAL PRACTITIONERS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE HOSPITAL PRIVILEGES.

CORRECT.

THESE ARE NOT AFFILIATED.

THESE ARE NOT PRACTITIONERS THESE ARE SURGEONS AND SPECIALISTS THAT ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE HOSPITAL.

THEY'RE ALL INDEPENDENT.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXTENSION TO THE MEDICAL LAND USE THAT IS PERMITTED HERE.

AND IT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE OVERNIGHT STAY THEY'RE INDEPENDENT PRIVATE PRACTICE DOCTORS.

SO JUST, YOU KNOW, ADDING ANOTHER ACCESSIBLE LAYER TO TO THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT CINDY, I NEED YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

OH IT'S CINDY WADE.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND BECKY, I CAN SEND YOU HER ADDRESS IF YOU NEED THAT TOO.

NO WORRIES I GOT THAT PART.

PERFECT THANKS.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER JONES, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE THEM QUICK.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH OR WITHOUT THIS APPROVAL, THIS IS STILL GOING FORWARD.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

THERE IS AN APPROVED FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WILL PROCEED

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FOR WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR A MEDICAL OFFICE AT THIS LOCATION.

OK.

AND SO I GUESS JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON WITH YOUR COMMENTS, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ADDRESSING THE WASTE ISSUE.

I CANNOT EMPHASIZE HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THAT.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO WASTE, OUR MEDICAL FACILITIES, OFTENTIMES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REUSE MUCH OF IT AND IT OFTENTIMES FALLS INTO THE BIOHAZARD CATEGORY.

WHEN YOU HAD MENTIONED RECYCLING, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT.

YOU HAD MENTIONED THE SINGLE USE DEVICES.

ARE THERE OTHER RECYCLING PRACTICES? AND IF SO, WOULD THAT BE WORKING WITH THE CITY WHERE THE CITY WOULD ACTUALLY HANDLE THOSE MATERIALS, OR WOULD THOSE MATERIALS BE HANDLED SEPARATELY BY A SEPARATE COMPANY? COMMISSIONER NOLAN, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE ARE RECYCLING EVEN WHEN WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS ARE HANDLED PRIVATELY.

SO WE DO NOT WORK WITH THE CITY ON THEIR RECYCLING PROVIDER? WELL, I'M SURE THEY ARE LOVELY, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

MEDICAL WASTE IS A HUGE REASON WHY WE DO RECYCLE.

AND SO IT'S NOT ONLY THE SINGLE USE, THE SINGLE USE COMPONENTS, DEVICES THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE DO ALSO WORK WITH INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS ON RECYCLING REGULAR WASTE RECYCLING, MEDICAL WASTE RECYCLING AND THE CONSTRUCTION WASTE RECYCLING WHERE CONSTRUCTION WASTE, WE'RE TRYING TO REUSE IT AND RECYCLE, IF POSSIBLE, ALL THROUGH PRIVATE CONTRACTS.

OK, THANK YOU.

AND I GUESS THIS IS JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.

SO GIVEN THE CRISIS THAT WE WERE ALL HIT WITH WHEN THE PANDEMIC BROKE OUT, WHERE ICU'S WERE BEING MAXED OUT AND THERE WAS REAL CONCERN, HOPEFULLY WE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN.

BUT IT DID SHOW THE VULNERABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL FACILITIES.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I THINK SINCE IT'S STILL UNCERTAIN, IF THE HOSPITAL WILL 100 PERCENT BE MOVING TO THE FORT TUTHILL AREA, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS, I WOULD SAY LIKELY AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANY INSIDE INFORMATION JUST BASED ON THE PLANS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S MOVING FORWARD.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WOULD SERVE A PURPOSE WITH IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IF IT DOES WELCOME A PARTICULAR URGENT CARE AND ALSO TAKING A LOAD OFF OF THE HOSPITAL IN THE EVENT THAT WE EVER HAD A SPIKE AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE WASTE ISSUE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN JONES, IF I MAY, WE ARE FILLING A MARKET NEED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HOSPITAL MOVES OR NOT.

WE'RE A SINGLE STORY BUILDING.

WE BELIEVE WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING IN WITH THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK OF THE AREA.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE HOSPITAL MOVES, WE INTEND TO BE A GOOD PARTNER AND JUST EASE OF ACCESS FOR PATIENTS IS OUR GOAL.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE.

WELL, I THINK VINCE WAS FIRST.

WELL, I THINK MR. MARTINEZ WOULD BE A PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO WE'LL GET TO YOU.

SO HANG ON A LITTLE BIT.

OK.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES.

AND THANK YOU, LINDSAY, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE COMMENTS OF CAROLE.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO REALLY COVERED MUCH OF WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

THE BUILDING OF A FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING AT THAT TIME, WHERE WAS THE DISCUSSION OR IDEA FOR A MICRO HOSPITAL AND HOW INDEED WAS THE IDEA GERMINATED SO THAT IS NOW PART OF AN EXISTING PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY.

WHAT WAS THE THE DRIVING FORCE FOR DECIDING THAT MAYBE A MICRO HOSPITAL, URGENT CARE PLUS MAY BE NEEDED AS PART OF A FORTY FOUR THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN UNDERWAY? OKAY, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY CAME FROM THE PATIENTS.

THE PATIENTS EXPRESSED THE DEMAND, THE CLINICAL USE THAT WE HAD PRESENTED, THE DEMAND AND THE PHYSICIANS, THE PRIVATE PHYSICIANS, AGAIN, WANTING A SERVICE.

SO IT'S A MARKET DEMAND.

REGARDLESS, THERE IS A MARKET FOR MEDICAL IN THIS IN THIS AREA.

AND SO WE WANTED TO GET GOING WITH THE BUILDING.

BUT IT'S A MARKET DEMAND FOR THIS MICRO HOSPITAL THAT THAT BROUGHT THIS REQUEST

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FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A MEDICAL PRACTITIONER, BUT HOW MANY FOLKS IN PARTICULAR ARE PART OF APRICUS HEALTH AT THIS POINT? OH, GOSH.

THAT WILL SAY SO REGARDLESS OF APRICUS MICRO HOSPITALS ARE VERY PROMINENT THERE.

THERE ARE NEW.

YOU WILL SEE THEM POPPING UP, I THINK, IN MORE PLACES, AND ESPECIALLY IN YOU KNOW, I JUST DID ONE IN CAVE CREEK ACTUALLY A LITTLE WHILE AGO.

SORRY, APRICUS APPROXIMATELY 500 PHYSICIANS.

OK, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

OK, THANK YOU.

WE CAN AND IF WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, WE CAN CHECK THOSE.

OTHERWISE, I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MR. MARTINEZ.

I ASSUME THAT IS A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU WOULD WISH TO MAKE ON THIS.

I SEE WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE, SO I'LL AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU TO SPEAK WITHIN THE THREE MINUTE TIME FRAME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. MARTINEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD? YES.

MY NAME IS VINCE MARTINEZ.

I'M THE DIRECTOR AT GUARDIAN MEDICAL TRANSPORT HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.

WE WERE THE ONLY AMBULANCE PROVIDER IN THIS AREA AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, JUST LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT AN URGENT CARE.

THIS IS A SPECIALTY HOSPITAL THAT IS PHYSICALLY CONNECTED TO AN EMERGENCY RECEIVING FACILITY.

THEREFORE, AMBULANCE TRAFFIC CAN BE ROUTED TO THIS FACILITY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, APRICUS DID NOT CONTACT ME IN ANY WAY TO ASK ABOUT HOW WE USE OUR AMBULANCES, HOW WE OPERATE CODE THREE TRAFFIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HAVE THEY SPOKEN TO ME? I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM, YOU HAVE IT WRONG, 100 PERCENT WRONG.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY PRESENTED TO YOU ABOUT THE USE OF SIRENS FOR AMBULANCES IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL POLICY DOES NOT SUPERSEDE STATE LAW AND THE SAFE CODE THREE DRIVING PRACTICES THAT WE EMPLOY EVERY SINGLE DAY.

YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ASPIRE TRANSITIONAL CARE OR REHAB HOSPITAL IN NORTHERN ARIZONA WHERE WE RESPOND CODE THREE LIGHTS AND SIRENS TO AND FROM THOSE FACILITIES.

THEY AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, ARE A SPECIALTY HOSPITAL, THEY ARE PHYSICALLY CONNECTED TO EMERGENCY RECEIVING FACILITY.

THEIR EMERGENCY CODE THREE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS GETTING WORSE WITH EVERY NEW MCMILLAN PROJECT, IT'S SIMPLY NOT BEING ADDRESSED.

THERE'S NO DIRECT ACCESS TO PONDEROSA PARKWAY, ROUTE 66, WHICH IS REALLY NEEDED BEFORE ANY MORE MCMILLAN MESA PROJECTS ARE BUILT.

YOU HAVE US ASPIRE REHAB BASES SCHOOL.

THE NEW PINE CLIFF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HIGHGATE SENIOR RESIDENTIAL ON JASPER YOU HAVE A STATE VETERANS HOMES IN THE OPEN.

TRAFFIC IS JUST GETTING TOO MUCH UP HERE IN THIS MCMELLON MESA AREA.

AND JIM KNIGHT ROAD IS A SINGLE LANE ROAD.

IT HAS A CONCRETE CURB BARRIER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SEPARATING LANES OF TRAFFIC.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY A DANGEROUS BARRIER.

IT'S ROAD HAZARD.

THERE'S AN OVERGROWTH OF SUNFLOWERS, ALL THE VEGETATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

IT ACTS AS THE VISUAL BARRIER TO MOVING TRAFFIC.

AND WE'RE SEEING THE CARS STEER AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE CONCRETE BARRIER TRAVELING INTO THE BIKE LANES.

AND IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO BIKE TRAFFIC.

THIS IS A REAL CONCERN FOR THE KIDS BIKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF VEHICLES BREAK DOWN HERE ON GEMINI ROAD AND THEY WOULD BLOCK TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE VEHICLE SIMPLY CANNOT GO AROUND A STOP VEHICLE, DO THAT LITTLE CONCRETE BARRIER.

LIKE I SAID, THE TRAFFIC IS GETTING WORSE.

AMBULANCES RESPONDING CODE THREE LIGHTS AND SIRENS CANNOT GO AROUND, THESE VEHICLES STOP FOR LIGHT AT GEMINI AND FOREST DUE TO THE CONCRETE BARRIER UNLESS THE AMBULANCE GOES UP ON THE SIDEWALK TO GO AROUND THE VEHICLE.

THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BRING IN MORE CODE THREE TRAFFIC TO AND FROM.

WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THAT MORE AND MORE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS NOTICED ALL THE ILLEGAL LEFT TURNS FROM THE PINE CLIFF DRIVE ON FOREST AVENUE.

THEY'RE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.

AND IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO THE FOOT AND BIKE TRAFFIC ON THE FOOTS TRAIL ALONG FOURTH AVENUE, AS WELL AS THE VEHICLES COMING DOWN THE ROAD AT 40 MILES AN HOUR.

YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME FROM THE PONDEROSA PARKWAY RESIDENTS ABOUT OUR SIREN NOISE, OUR AMBULANCE RESPONSE IN THIS AREA.

AND WE ANTICIPATE MORE COMPLAINTS WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY HOSPITAL AND THIS EMERGENCY RECEIVING FACILITY.

THAT IS TIME, SIR.

THANK YOU.

MAY WE HEAR FROM JOSHUA HELLO.

THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS JOSH HEALTH CARE.

I OBVIOUSLY HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

THE DOCUMENTS DESCRIBE A RELATIONSHIP WITH LARGER TERTIARY

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HOSPITALS IN THE AREA TO SAFELY TRANSFER PATIENTS.

TO THIS DAY, WE'VE NOT BEEN REACHED OUT TO OR CONTACTED BY ABACAS HEALTH, WHICH WILL RESULT AS OUR FOLKS, JUST TALK TO US ABOUT PEOPLE ENDING UP WITH THE FACILITY, GETTING A FACILITY CHARGE IN THEIR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, AND THEN BEING TRANSFERRED TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE, WHERE THEY WILL RECEIVE ANOTHER EMERGENCY FEE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A URGENT CARE PLUS OR A MICRO HOSPITAL OR EITHER A HOSPITAL OR EVEN URGENT CARE OR SURGERY CENTER.

SO THIS FACILITY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE SAME TYPES OF PATIENTS THAT FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER CURRENTLY DOES AS IT RELATES TO THE DETRIMENT AND HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

ON POINT NUMBER TWO, FINDING NUMBER TWO.

EXCUSE ME.

WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FULL COMPLEMENT OF SERVICES THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR, WHICH IS A HOSPITAL.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE, AGAIN, INCREASED AMBULANCE TRAFFIC STATES, THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE US FULL SPECTRUM OF CARE.

BUT THEN NOW WE JUST HEARD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE URGENT CARE SO I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT WE GET CLARIFICATION ON IF IT'S A HOSPITAL.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A MICRO HOSPITAL TO HOSPITAL OR IT'S AN URGENT CARE OR WE HAVE NO OBJECTION WHATSOEVER TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING AND THE AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND THE ACUTE HOSPITAL SETTING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MAY WE HEAR FROM KEVIN, PLEASE, AND COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR YOUR LAST NAME? I ALSO SHOULD HAVE.

AND PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL.

ALL COMMENTERS, THANK YOU.

HELLO, THIS IS KEVIN CONN.

I AM A PHYSICIAN WITH FLAGSTAFF EMERGENCY PHYSICIANS, AND ESSENTIALLY MY COMMENTS ARE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT.

WE JUST SAW A PRESENTATION DESCRIBING EMERGENCY ROOMS, SIX OF THEM WITH AMBULANCE TRAFFIC.

THEN TO HAVE IT BE FOLLOWED UP, STATING THAT ONLY ONE OR TWO TIMES PER MONTH WOULD THIS BE EMERGENCY AMBULANCE TRAFFIC.

AND THAT, IN FACT, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY ROOM.

IT'S AN URGENT CARE PLUS, I FIND ALL OF THIS THIS PRESENTATION CONFUSING.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AS AN EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN THAT HAS PRACTICED IN THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY, IS THAT EXACTLY LIKE WHAT JOSH JUST SAID, AN EMERGENCY RECEIVING FACILITY IS EXACTLY THAT.

AND THEY HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING THAT THE AMBULANCE DELIVERS TO THEIR DOORS.

AND SO FAR, NOTHING IN THIS PLAN HAS MADE ME CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SO.

AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENTS.

AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THIS FACILITY TRULY IS IF IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY ROOM.

THANK YOU.

AND MAY WE HEAR FROM WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU AS A PUBLIC COMMENT IN THIS CASE.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM.

123 NORTH SAN FRANCISCO STREET IN FLAGSTAFF 86601.

MY EARS PERKED UP WHEN I STARTED HEARING INITIALLY FROM LINDSAY AND NOW FROM THE OTHER SPEAKERS ABOUT A LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION WITH THE HOSPITAL.

BUT IT BRINGS THEN TO MIND WHAT I VIEW AS A LAND USE PLANNING CONCERN.

AND I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN AND BRING UP THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE SITE.

THE PROJECT BEFORE US IS IS CALLED CEDAR MEDICAL COLLABORATIVE PHASE TWO.

IT IS ON A ON A PARCEL A LITTLE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES, BUT CONNECTED TO A PARCEL DIRECTLY NORTH NORTHEAST, OWNED BY THE SAME COMPANY THAT IS 10 ACRES.

AND AS THE SITE PLAN MAKES CLEAR YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A HOSPITAL USE ON THE SMALL PARCEL AND NOT TALK ABOUT THE 10 ACRE PARCEL, BUT THE 10 ACRE PARCEL ITSELF APPEARS TO BE PRELIMINARILY PLATTED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TODAY ON A HOSPITAL WE USE CONNECTED TO 10 ACRES, WHICH IS CLEARLY INTENDED TO BE MORE FULLY BUILT OUT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING

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TO GO THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I HEAR FROM GUARDIAN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT IT'S ALREADY ENCOUNTERED IN THE AREA.

IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS IS A USE THAT OUGHT TO BE HIGHLY COORDINATED WITH THE HOSPITAL, WITH THE FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER.

AND I'M HEARING FLATLY THAT THAT IS NOT OCCURRING.

AND LET'S ALL BE CLEAR.

APRICUS IS NOT A COLLECTION OF LOCAL DOCTORS.

APRICUS IS A LARGE, HIGHLY FUNDED VENTURE UNDERTAKING.

LINDSAY TOLD US OVER 500 PHYSICIANS, WHICH IS SIMPLY TRYING TO SET UP A BRANCH OFFICE HERE.

THAT MIGHT BE A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE AND HELPFUL BUSINESS PURPOSE.

BUT I'D SURE LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT ITS LONG AND MEDIUM TERM PLANS ARE BEFORE WE SORT OF LET THE CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT HERE.

OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, AND I THINK WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM COLEEN THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS COLLEEN I HAVE TWO SEPARATE INTERESTS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

I LIVE AT 3505 NORTH EIGER MOUNTAIN ROAD, AND I AM CHIEF LEGAL COUNSEL FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTH CARE, WHICH INCLUDES GUARDIAN AND MEDICAL TRANSPORT.

I'LL START WITH THE PERSONAL WITH WHERE I LIVE.

I WOULD ON DAY ONE OF THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS IN THE APPLICATION, REFERRED TO AS AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, BE CLOSER TO THAT, TO THAT FACILITY.

AND SO WHEN GUARDIAN MEDICAL TRANSPORT FOLLOWS ITS TRANSPORT GUIDELINES, IF I'M ASSESSED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WHEN I FALL AND BREAK MY FEMUR IS WHAT I THINK MRS. SHUBE REFERENCED AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND I'M TRANSPORTED TO THIS FACILITY.

I AM HIGHLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY HEALTH AND SAFETY IF I NEED EMERGENTLY A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE.

TWO THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

ONE, I JUST PAID AN AMBULANCE BILL, AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT FEE.

I'M GOING TO GET A SECOND AMBULANCE BILL, A SECOND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT FEE WITH AS MRS. SHUBE EMPHASIZED, NO CONNECTION TO THE HOSPITAL, SO NO ABILITY TO TRANSFER ME.

IT'S A WHOLE NEW ADMISSION, A WHOLE NEW EVALUATION WHEN I GET TO FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DELAY IN MY CARE THAT OCCURRED THERE.

SO I'VE DECOMPENSATED BETWEEN THE TIME THAT I WAS BROUGHT TO THIS EMERGENCY ROOM.

AGAIN, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THAT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN URGENT CARE PLUS.

AND THE TIME THAT I GET THE CARE THAT I NEED AT AN APPROPRIATE HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE FACILITY.

SO I DO THINK IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.

MY SECOND ROLE AS COUNSEL FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTH CARE, I REALLY HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THE APPLICANT THE BASIS ON WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO PROMISE THAT AMBULANCES WOULD NOT TURN ON LIGHTS AND SIRENS.

GIVEN THAT THAT WAS A CONDITION OF STAFF, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LEGAL BASIS ON WHICH THEY COULD DO THAT.

THEY HAVE THEY DID NOT EVEN SPEAK WITH GUARDIAN MEDICAL TRANSPORT, LET ALONE HAVE ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO CONTROL AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS OR EFFECT, AS DIRECTOR MARTINEZ INDICATED.

STATE STATUTE THAT DICTATES HOW WE PROVIDE THAT AMBULANCE SERVICE.

SO I HOPE THAT I HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THEM.

WELL, WE'LL ASK THEM TO COME BACK.

I HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THE APPLICANT THE TYPE OF LICENSURE THEY SEEK.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS URGENT CARE PLUS HERE, AN EMERGENCY ROOM IN A HOSPITAL OR NOT.

IF THERE ARE A HOSPITAL, I THINK THAT'S QUITE DANGEROUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IF THEY HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.

WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO CARE IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN THE MEDICAL OFFICE CONTEXT AN URGENT CARE CAN BE PROVIDED IN A MEDICAL OFFICE CONTEXT.

THERE IS NO REASON YOU WOULD NEED THIS SUP TO PROVIDE AN URGENT CARE.

SO I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WILL SEEK MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANTS ON THOSE AREAS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? SOMEBODY HAS THEIR MICROPHONE ON.

CHECK YOUR MICROPHONES.

I THINK WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS POINT AND GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF? EXCUSE ME.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, COMMISSIONER JONES, THAT CHAIR JONES IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THEM OR WAIT UNTIL THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK TO SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD ADDRESS SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO YOU.

BUT ALSO, YOU WOULD BE COMPLETELY WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS FROM

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THE COMMENTS, TOO.

BUT SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD WITH THE COMMISSION JUST TO SEE IF THEY HAVE I SEE.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN HAS A QUESTION, AND IT MAY BE BASED.

IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT.

YOU KNOW, BE OUT MAY BE ASKING YOU SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ALL HEARD.

SO LET'S START WITH THE COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M SO USED TO CHAIR ZIMMERMAN, BUT YES, CHAIR JONES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING IS THIS MEETING IS RUNNING A LITTLE LONG.

WE STILL HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO GET TO.

AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, GIVEN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN.

I'M A LITTLE SCRAMBLED AND I WOULD NOT EXACTLY BE COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS.

SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED FOR CLARIFICATION, OR WOULD THAT BE TOO PROBLEMATIC? COMMISSIONER NOLAN, ARE YOU ASKING CHAIR JONES OR STAFF OR MYSELF? WHETHER OR NOT THIS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.

BASICALLY HE'S ASKING TO IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY AND I THINK HOW WE'RE THINKING OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES.

URGENT CARE.

IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY IS GETTING MIXED UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE PROBABLY A PRIMER ON THIS, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE MEETING IS ALREADY RUNNING A LITTLE LATE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH A FULL EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS GIVEN OR WE SHOULD DEDICATE MORE TIME TO THIS AT A FUTURE MEETING.

SO THIS IS RESPONSES FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM TABLING THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING IF STAFF IF WE CAN DO THAT.

YES, I WOULD AGREE, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE AND FAIR TO HAVE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THINGS.

FUTURE.

OK, FOR NOW, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THEN WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION WE CAN DISCUSS.

THANK YOU.

OK, CHAIR JONES, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUMP IN? CHAIR JONES, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ANSWER? OH, YES, I'M SORRY OKAY.

APOLOGY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

OK, I WANT TO CLEAR, CLEAR THE AIR.

WE ARE A HOSPITAL.

WE WILL BE REGULATED BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AS A HOSPITAL.

WHEN I USE THE TERM URGENT CARE PLUS, IT IS THE LAYMAN TERM.

IT IS TO PUT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR BRAINS KIND OF HOW THIS WILL ACTUALLY FUNCTION.

BUT WE ARE TECHNICALLY A HOSPITAL, MICRO HOSPITAL AND STAFF CAN CONFIRM IS THAT LAND USE DESIGNATION.

WE NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR A MICRO HOSPITAL.

SO TO BE CLEAR FOR OUR FRIENDS AT THE HOSPITAL AND GUARDIAN THAT'S A LAND USE TERM.

A CITY TERM.

WE ARE A FULL HOSPITAL, BUT WE WILL WE'RE NOT INTENDED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR INBOUND TRANSPORT.

THAT'S THE HOSPITAL THAT'S THE BIG HOSPITAL.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A EMERGENT CARE, WE'RE READY TO GO.

WE'RE CAPABLE.

WE HAVE WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT HOSPITAL THAT SERVES LOW ACUTE CARE, AND WE HAVE 20 LOCAL DOCTORS.

SO APRICUS IS A BIGGER SYSTEM.

THAT'S 100 PERCENT CORRECT, WHICH I STATED NO HIDING THE BALL.

500 DOCTORS.

BUT ALL OF THE DOCTORS DO BUY INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND OUR LOCAL PRESENCE HAS 20 LOCAL DOCTORS THAT ALL BUY IN.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR IF ANYONE WAS TO SHOW UP AT THIS HOSPITAL, THEY WOULD GET A HIGH LEVEL OF CARE.

THERE WOULD BE THERE'S THERE'S CARDIOLOGISTS.

THERE ARE HIGH QUALITY DOCTORS.

AND MUCH LIKE ANY MUCH LIKE THE OTHER HOSPITAL, WE HAVE THE FULL ABILITY TO TRANSFER.

AS FOR THE CONDITION ON THE SIREN, THAT WAS A STAFF CONDITION WITH REGARD, I

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THINK, TO AMBIENT CONDITIONS AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE AREA.

WE TRUST THAT GUARDIAN OR WHOMEVER THE AMBULANCE DRIVER WOULD BE, THAT THEY WOULD FOLLOW STATE LAW.

AND IF IT'S CLEAR, UNLESS WARRANTED BY TRAFFIC OR OTHER SAFETY ISSUES, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONDITION.

WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT WANT TO INTERFERE WITH ANY STATE LAW.

AND TO BE CLEAR, AT OUR FACILITY RIGHT NOW, AS APPROVED, WE COULD HAVE OPEN HEART SURGERY.

WE ARE WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF MEDICAL CARE.

WE HAVE THE SAME STATE LICENSING AS THE HOSPITAL.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO DELIVER A HIGH LEVEL OF CARE.

IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THAN THE HOSPITAL, THE MEDICAL USE.

AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO A LAND USE DECISION IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

WE DO HAVE SURGICAL SPACE ALREADY ON SITE.

THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE JUST ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE, CONVENIENT WAY FOR PATIENTS TO GET CARE WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH ANYTHING AT THE HOSPITAL.

HOWEVER, TO BE CLEAR, COLLEEN, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AND YOU ARE BROUGHT TO OUR FACILITY, WE WILL TAKE VERY, VERY GOOD CARE OF YOU.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S TRIGGERED WHY WE NEED THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THE OVERNIGHT STAY.

MOST EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS DO NOT REQUIRE AN OVERNIGHT STAY.

THEY'RE TRIAGED AND THEY'RE SENT HOME.

BUT WE DO WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN LEGALLY KEEP PEOPLE OVERNIGHT.

BUT I SUBMIT TO YOU, WE HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF CARE, HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND THEN LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

WELL ALEX, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS.

YES, SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO TALK EARLIER, BUT ANYWAY, I WANT TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS.

ONE, YES, THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TO DELAY THIS ITEM, TO CONTINUE IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING DATE.

ALSO, THE APPLICANT COULD REQUEST A CONTINUANCE, SO WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ZONING CODE, THE ZONING CODE, ACTUALLY, THE LAND USE ALLOWED IS ONCE YOU HAVE THAT OVERNIGHT STAY, IT'S CONSIDERED A HOSPITAL.

THERE IS NO MICRO HOSPITAL USE IN THE ZONING CODE.

IT'S JUST HOSPITAL.

THEN I APOLOGIZE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, IF I MADE UP MICRO HOSPITAL I DIDN'T THINK I DID.

MAYBE IT'S THE CASE I DID IN CAVE CREEK.

WE CALLED IT A MICRO HOSPITAL.

APOLOGIES.

I SUBMIT TO YOU, THOUGH, AS I DID BEFORE, WERE A HOSPITAL APOLOGIES ALEX I WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR ZONING CODES MOUTH.

IT HAS ENOUGH WORDS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I'LL CALL ON COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE, AND I ALSO WANT TO REMIND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE APPLICANT AT ANY TIME IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT.

THE APPLICANT, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST TO DELAY OR ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT.

SO JUST BREAK IN ANY TIME IF YOU DO HAVE THAT.

MEANWHILE, COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE? OH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES.

AND THANK YOU, LINDSAY AND OTHERS FOR SPEAKING TODAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK POINT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT CLEAR, AS COMMISSIONER NOLAN HAD MENTIONED, ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE PLANNING THAT IS CONNECTED TO MEDICAL SERVICES, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A CRYING NEED THAT IS GROWING AGAIN AND AGAIN.

WHEN WE ASK IF THERE ARE LOCAL POSITIONS AND AFRICA SAYS THERE'S FIVE HUNDRED OF THEM.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR.

AND NOW I UNDERSTAND IT'S 20.

IF WE DO THE DELAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING SO THAT WE CAN GET ALL OUR DUCKS IN ORDER AND USE THE SAME LANGUAGE.

BUT WHEN I ASKED WHO ARE THE LOCAL DOCTORS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT BECAUSE I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE WHO IS THE MARKET DRIVER FOR THOSE 20 DOCTORS, FIVE DOCTORS.

YES, THAT'S CLEAR.

BUT 20, I'M NOT SURE.

AND IT GETS A LITTLE MORE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE'RE USING A LOT OF THE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY BETWEEN A STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION OF DOCTORS AND LOCAL SERVICE AND LOCAL DOCTORS WHO ARE PROVIDING SERVICE.

THAT IS IN THE MEDICAL AREA.

AGAIN, MUCH NEEDED, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO ARE THE PATIENTS OR THE DOCTORS AND WHERE IS THE MEDICAL SERVICES.

SO IS IF WE ASKED FOR A DELAY, THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC STICKING POINTS THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO ASK.

AND AGAIN, IT'S PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER YOU CAN BUILD OR SHOULD BUILD.

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IT'S WHAT ARE WE REALLY APPROVING HERE BESIDES THE THE CODE AND THE ZONING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE? I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION TO ASK AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU.

IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE, SO THAT THE TWO GROUPS ARE FLAGSTAFF FAMILY CARE AND PEAK HEART.

SO THEY ARE LOCAL.

AGAIN, WE'RE PART OF A LARGER GROUP, BUT FLAGSTAFF FAMILY CARE AND PEAK HEART ARE THE TWO LOCALS.

AND THEN I WAS WE DO NOT OWN THE OTHER 10 ACRES THAT, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I WROTE DOWN WHO SAID THAT AND WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT DOOR.

WE DO NOT OWN THAT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MANDINO, LOOKED LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND WENT BACK DOWN AGAIN, SO MAYBE BACK, THE QUESTION ANSWERED.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED WANTING TO COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED A MOTION TO DELAY.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION? OR SHALL WE? I DON'T HEAR THAT.

I'LL CONTINUE ON, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER PAUL? YEAH, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE THE THING THAT I'M PROBABLY MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A LACK OF COORDINATION.

IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WITH OTHER ENTITIES AND SPECIFICALLY GUARDIAN TRANSPORT, IF THIS WAS TABLED TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THAT, GIVE SOME TIME FOR ALL PARTIES TO KIND OF CONNECT AND MAKE THAT COORDINATION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT.

CHAIR JONES, I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS.

I ALWAYS PREFER TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE HOSPITAL WAS NOTICED.

WE DID NOTICE.

BUT IF IT'S IN THE IF IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE US TO.

WE ARE WILLING TO TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM IN ORDER TO TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS, IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU.

I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN MAKING THAT MOTION.

THERE WAS A, I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN THE QUESTION OF HOW YOU DETERMINE HOW MANY AMBULANCE DROP OFFS THERE WOULD BE AND HOW YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT, AND ALSO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE QUESTION OF COORDINATION WITH WITH THE TRANSPORT.

SO.

I'M HEARING THAT THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN A MOTION TO DELAY THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, SO I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO DELAY.

LET'S SEE, PZ-190002205 SENIOR MEDICAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST TO THE NEXT MEETING WHEN IT CAN BE HEARD.

THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 8TH.

SEPTEMBER 8TH.

OK.

ANYBODY INTERESTED IN SECONDING THAT? THIS IS COMMISSIONER NOLAN, I'LL SECOND THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF COMMISSIONER PAUL STILL HAS COMMENT HIS HAND TO STOP.

YEAH, I THINK YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T PUT IT DOWN YET.

APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

NO FURTHER COMMENT.

THANKS.

OK.

OKAY THEN.

YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S VOTE ON THAT MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY.

AYE.

AYE.

I MIGHT ASK FOR A ROLL CALL BECAUSE I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR HOW MANY.

SO CAN WE DO THAT? HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THAT, PLEASE.

CAN YOU CALL FOR NAMES? OH, I COULD.

YES.

YES, OF COURSE.

AND ANY NAMES? OK, NEVER MIND THAT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

OK, SO THIS WILL BE DECIDED WHEN WE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

CHAIR JONES, THANK YOU.

WE WILL COME BACK WITH ANSWERS TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO.

LET'S SEE, ITEM 6A.

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR MIRAMONTE, BIRCH AND VERDE, LLC.

[A. PZ-17-00175-04 Miramonte at Birch Miramonte Birch & Verde, LLC requests Preliminary Plat approval for Miramonte at Birch Avenue. The subdivision consists of 24 residential condominium units, located at 304-316 E Birch Avenue. The condominium plat is on 0.53 acres in the T4N.1 (Transect) Zone. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Staff recommends the Planning and Zoning Commission, in accordance with the findings presented in this report, forward the Preliminary Plat to the City Council with a recommendation for approval.]

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THIS PZ-170017504.

THIS IS A SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF TWENTY FOUR RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM UNITS AT 304-316 BIRCH AVENUE ON 0.53 ACRES AND A T4N1 ZONE.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS? YES, I DO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN.

HOPEFULLY MY PRESENTATION WILL COME UP.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

I DID IT WRONG.

OK.

AND YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION NOW.

YES.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THIS IS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL REQUEST FOR MIRAMONTE AT BIRCH CONDOMINIUMS. THERE WE GO.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 304-316 EAST BIRCH.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY HALF OF A BLOCK, AND I'LL SHOW YOU COMING UP ON THE NEXT MAP WHERE THAT'S LOCATED.

CONDOMINIUM SUBDIVISION WITH 24 DWELLING UNITS ON 0.53 ACRES.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE T4N1 ZONING CATEGORY.

IDS STAFF APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THIS ITEM ON JULY 30TH, 2021.

HERE'S THE VICINITY MAP, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PROPERTY I'VE LABELED SUBJECT SITE TAKES UP THESE THREE LOTS.

304-316.

THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE CB, WHICH IS THE CONVENTIONAL ZONE.

BUT OVER ON TOP OF THAT IS THE T4N1 ZONE.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ELECTED TO USE THAT ZONE.

SO NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS AN ALLEY NORTH OF THAT, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED IN BASICALLY THE CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL ZONES THAT WE HAVE.

IT IS CENTRALLY FOCUSED ON THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

SOUTH OF BIRCH.

YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL OFFICES ALSO IN THE CB ZONE, EAST OF THERE'S ELDEN STREET OR I'M SORRY, ELDEN STREET, AND THEN YOU HAVE PROPERTY IN THE HR ZONE.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE'S MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE VERDE AND THEN YOU HAVE ALSO COMMERCIAL OFFICES AND THE CB ZONE.

SO WE WILL GO TO THE DESCRIPTION.

IT IS A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, 24 TOTAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THERE, 14 ONE BEDROOM AND 10 TWO BEDROOM.

THE SITE CONSISTS OF 0.53 ACRES, AND THIS IS A CONDOMINIUM PLAT WHICH TAKES A MULTI-UNIT COMPLEX AND CREATES THE POTENTIAL FOR INDIVIDUALLY OWNED UNITS.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

BUILDING PERMITS ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED IN REVIEW FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO CREATE THE AIRSPACE UNITS SO THAT THEY CAN BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED.

SO HERE IS, THE PLAT IS VERY LONG.

THERE'S A TOTAL OF 11 PAGES.

SO I DID NOT INCLUDE ALL 11 PAGES FOR YOU.

BUT THIS IS SO YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SUBJECT SITE.

AND THIS SHOWS YOU HOW THESE SPACES ARE BROKEN DOWN.

THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE FIRST FLOOR.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN MY STAFF SUMMARY, I TELL YOU THAT THE BUILDING IS THREE STORIES AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THIS IS SHOWING YOU FOUR WHEN YOU SEE THE ELEVATIONS.

I'LL EXPLAIN WHY IT'S READING AS IF IT'S FOUR FLOORS INSTEAD OF THREE.

SO THERE ARE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR SUBDIVISION PLAT, ARE THE BUILDING AND THE PROPOSAL IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIRED ZONING STANDARDS IN THIS CASE THAT T4 NEIGHBORHOOD STANDARDS, THEY ARE USING THE APARTMENT BUILDING TYPE, WHICH IS A MEDIUM TO LARGE SIZED STRUCTURE THAT CONSISTS OF UP TO 32 SIDE BY SIDE OR STACKED UNITS.

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SO THIS IS 24.

THEY ARE USING A PRIVATE FRONTAGE TYPE, WHICH IS THE FORECOURT, WHICH IS AN ALLOWED FRONTAGE TYPE ON AN APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND THEY HAVE BUILDING MEETS THE FORECOURT STANDARDS FOR MINIMUM DEPTH THAN WHIP.

THE SETBACKS ARE HERE, FRONT SETBACK IS 15 FOOT MEN, 30 FOOT MAX SIDE STREET SETBACK, 10 FOOT MIN, 15 FOOT MAX REAR SETBACK IS 15 FOOT MIN.

THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS FORTY FIVE FEET.

AND THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 60 PERCENT.

SO THE BUILDING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THESE STANDARDS.

THE CB ZONE, THE CONVENTIONAL ZONING DOES HAVE AN ALLOWED BUILDING HEIGHT OF 60 FEET.

SO IN THIS CASE, USING THE TRANSECTS ZONE STANDARDS RESULTS IN A LOWER HEIGHT BUILDING.

SO JUST WANTED TO REALLY QUICKLY SHOW YOU THE MIRAMONTE AT BIRCH SITE PLAN THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY STAFF.

IT DOES SHOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ALL OF THE TRANSECTS ZONE STANDARDS THAT WERE APPLIED AND HOW IT CONFORMS AND IT GOES THROUGH THE PARKING STANDARDS AS WELL.

SO THERE ARE 29 SPACES REQUIRED AFTER THE USE OF ALL OF THEIR REDUCTIONS.

THEY DO PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE SPACES.

THE SPACES THEMSELVES ARE ALSO BECOME LIMITED COMMON ELEMENTS AND ARE DEDICATED TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONDOMINIUM UNITS WITHIN THIS SUBDIVISION PLAT.

SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ELEVATION IS THREE STORIES.

SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE STORY OF WHY THE PLAT READS LIKE IT'S FOUR STORIES.

THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS STEPPED OVER THE SITE, WHICH ARE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT THEY DO AND WORKING WITH THE NATURAL TERRAIN AND RATHER THAN GOING IN AND JUST GRADING THE WHOLE SITE FLAT, THE FINISHED FLOORS ARE DIFFERENT.

SO ONE PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS SITTING UP MUCH HIGHER, WHICH RESULTS IN A FLOOR LEVEL THAT'S DIFFERENT WHILE THE OTHER PORTION OF THE BUILDING SITS LOWER.

SO IT HAS A DIFFERENT FLOOR LEVEL.

SO IT READS AS IF THERE'S FOUR FLOORS IN THE PLAT.

BUT OVERALL, THE BUILDING ONLY HAS THREE FLOORS.

AS THE OTHER ROUND OF ELEVATIONS.

SO THE SECOND FINDING IS THAT THEY MEET ALL OF THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

SO THIS TYPE OF SUBDIVISION PLAT DOESN'T REALLY RUN INTO THE SAME AS WHEN WE'RE CREATING A SUBDIVISION WITH NEW ROADS AND STREETS, ALL EXISTING ROADS AND STREETS, ALL EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY 24 UNITS.

SO THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REQUIRED DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING EXISTING WATER AND SEWER LINES AND THEY WILL USE UNDERGROUND DETENTION AND LID STORAGE ON SITE.

THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THEY MEET ALL OF THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND SPLIT REGULATIONS.

THEY FOLLOWED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURES AND APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY HAVE MET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS.

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONDOMINIUMS ARE SORT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDING LAND INTO THESE SIMPLE LOTS.

ALL RIGHT, MY VOICE IS GOING, AND SO GETTING TO FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION, THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND THIS WILL BE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHALL FIND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF CITY CODE.

AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BASED ON THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, FORWARDS THIS PRELIMINARY PLOT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

IF YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THOSE.

THANK YOU, TIFFANY, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ? COMMISSIONER MANDINO? YES, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS AND IT COULD BE FOR THE THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS, ARE ANY OF THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS? NO.

THANK YOU.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD FROM WHAT TIFFANY PRESENTED TONIGHT.

OK, THANK YOU.

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I HAVE A QUESTION PROBABLY FOR THE APPLICANT.

WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, PER SE, I SEE THAT THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN, HOW FAR ALONG THE DESIGN IS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT HAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE OF AN URBAN FEELING, WHICH SEEMS APPROPRIATE THAN SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROJECTS, KIND OF MORE WOODSY LOOKING.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT KIND OF SENSITIVITY TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I WOULD ASK FURTHER THE QUESTION.

YOU HAVE SOME SMALL HISTORIC KIND OF BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON HOW TO KIND OF ACROSS THE ALLEY IF THERE IS A SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL RESPONSE TO THOSE BEING THERE.

I WOULDN'T MIND IF YOU PUT YOUR ELEVATIONS BACK UP AGAIN TOO WHERE STAFF WOULD DO THAT.

THIS QUESTION, I GUESS, IS, AS FOR THE APPLICANT.

MIRAMONTE HOMES STRIVES TO REALLY FIT IN WITH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPES IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IN.

WE ARE USING NATIVE ELEVATIONS.

WE ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

WE TRIED TO INCORPORATE, AS YOU SEE IN THAT KIND OF BROWN COLOR SHADING.

THAT'S A RUSTED METAL SIDING MATERIAL THAT REALLY FITS IN WITH WITH FLAGSTAFF AS WELL.

AND THEN WE HAVE PAINTED HORIZONTAL AND SHAKE SIDING AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, A VERY NATURAL OR.

YOU KNOW, JUST A VERY NEUTRAL COLORED ASPHALT SHINGLE.

AND THEN WE USE A METAL CORRUGATED ACCENT ROOF WITH THE ENTRANCE ACCENT OVERHANGS THAT YOU SEE ON ON THE SOUTH AND EAST ELEVATION AND WEST ELEVATION AS WELL.

SO VERY CONSISTENT WITH OUR STYLE.

AND FLAGSTAFF IS WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR IN THIS PROJECT.

HEY, JACK, YES.

YEAH.

AND I WAS ABOUT TO.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

WE ARE JUMPING TO THAT.

NO, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE EXISTING 16 FOOT RIGHT=OF-WAYS ARE ADEQUATE IN SOME OF OUR MOST RECENT PROJECTS, INCLUDING THIS ONE, AND WANT TO INCREASE THE SAFETY IN ACCESS TO THOSE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAYS.

SO WE DEDICATED IN AN EXISTING NINE FEET.

SO WE ARE GIVING UP AN EXISTING NINE FEET ADJACENT TO THAT ALLEYWAY, MAKING A TOTAL TWENTY FIVE FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR TRUE TWO WAY ACCESS AS WELL TO ALLOW FURTHER SEPARATION FROM THIS PROJECT AND THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH.

AND SO THAT ALONGSIDE STEPPING WITH THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THAT HELPS KIND OF BUFFER THE EXISTING PARCELS TO THE NORTH.

JACK, WILL YOU? JACK, WE ALL KNOW YOU, BUT I JUST NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THIS, FOR THE RECORD SO EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS.

I APOLOGIZE, GUYS.

JACK KIMBERLEY WITH MIRAMONTE HOMES AT 102 SOUTH WINGS PIKE IN DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, AND JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THIS THAT I'M NOT EXACTLY CLEAR, I DROVE BY THE SITE, BUT I CAN'T QUITE PICTURE ON WHICH ON WHICH SIDE IT STEPS UP.

SO THERE'S ABOUT A 20 FOOT GRADE DIFFERENCE FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, WHICH IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF VERDE AND BIRCH, TO THE NORTH EAST CORNER IS ABOUT 20 FEET HIGHER, WHICH IS ON THAT ALLEY INTERSECTING ELDEN.

AND SO WE HAVE DESIGNED THE BUILDING ACCORDINGLY, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHAT THE CONTOURS THOSE ARE THE PREDEVELOPMENT CONTOURS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT TIFFANY HAS UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

AND SO REALLY DESIGNED THE BUILDING WITH THE NATURAL GRADE, EXISTING GRADE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH.

LIKE WE DO ON MANY OF OUR PROJECTS.

SO THE, IT'S NOT REALLY A TALLER BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S ON A GRADE, BUT THE TALLER WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, THE PART THAT APPEARS THE TALLER IS TO THE EAST?

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THAT IS CORRECT, COMMISSIONER JONES.

OK.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO? SO MY QUESTION IS, WE'RE JUST HERE TO APPROVE WHETHER OR NOT THESE CAN BE CONDOMINIUMS RATHER THAN APARTMENT UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE SITE PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE BUILDING PERMITS AS WE SPEAK.

AND THEN I WOULD JUST GO BACK TO MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A 10 TO 20 PERCENT LOW-INCOME CONTINGENCY.

I KNOW THAT WOULD ONLY BE TWO APARTMENTS OR TWO UNITS CONDOMINIUMS. BUT I'M WONDERING IF THAT COULD BE DONE.

JUST I'M JUST SO CONCERNED ABOUT AFFORDABILITY IN FLAGSTAFF.

ABSOLUTELY, AS ARE WE, WE TRY TO TO BE A REAL COMMUNITY LEADER IN BRINGING AFFORDABLE UNITS TO FLAGSTAFF.

WE'VE CREATED THE FIRST PRIVATE, WE CALL IT AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF THAT WE'VE RELEASED ON AND BROUGHT TO MARKET AT PONDEROSA PARKWAY CONDOMINIUMS IN OUR WORK.

AS YOU GUYS HEARD EARLIER, WE'RE PROPOSING ON TRACK THEM AT PRESIDIO.

ON THIS PROJECT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE COST OF THE LAND, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD THIS TYPE OF A BUILDING, IT DOESN'T FIT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCT ON THIS ON THE SITE, FORTUNATELY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, SO THESE CONDOMINIUMS ARE GOING TO BE, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE ANYHOW BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND YOU CAN'T JUST RAISE.

I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE UNITS.

TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OF THE UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE, I YOU KNOW, IT JUST I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN? THANK YOU, CHAIR JONES.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER MANDINO IS STATING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, OF COURSE, HAS BEEN WASTE.

AND AT THIS POINT, I'M KIND OF AT A CROSSROADS BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AND REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE VOTING ON IS DO THESE STAY AS APARTMENTS OR CONDOMINIUMS. I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW THIS ALSO FITS WITHIN OUR GREATER HOUSING PLAN.

WE HAVE A DECLARATION FOR THE HOUSING CRISIS.

AND I JUST I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW THIS FITS INTO THE NEEDS OF WHAT FLAGSTAFF IS LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF HOUSING.

SO IF ANYONE CAN EXPAND ON THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

I GUESS I WOULD ADD.

WELL, JACK, YOU'RE ABOUT TO ANSWER THAT, I THINK.

BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN PROPERTY, YOU FELT A LOT OF PROJECTS NOW.

YOU HAVE QUITE A HANDLE ON IT.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN PROJECTS, DOWNTOWN LAND, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE DIRECTLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

BUT I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN'S QUESTION.

I'LL START COMMISSIONER JONES WITH YOURS.

IT'S DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE, GUYS, WITH, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION IN PURCHASING LAND WITH OTHER INVESTORS OUTSIDE OF THE FLAGSTAFF MARKET, YOU KNOW, COMPETING WITH ANY OF YOU ON PURCHASING LAND AS WELL AS LOCAL INVESTORS.

YOU GUYS KNOW, MIRAMONTE'S STANCE IS TO BRING LOCAL HOME OWNERSHIP TO THE FLAGSTAFF AREA INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA, OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND BEYOND AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

PONDEROSA PARKWAY IS LITERALLY TWO SECONDS FROM DOWNTOWN.

AND THAT SITE REALLY MADE SENSE TO TO BRING AN ENTRY LEVEL MARKET PRODUCT, AS WELL AS AN ATTAINABLE OR AFFORDABLE UNIT STYLE PRODUCT TO THAT AREA.

COSTS ARE GOING CRAZY.

SO IT'S VERY HARD TO PUT A PIN ON ON COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

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I MEAN, LITERALLY, WE GET BIDS AND THEY'RE NOT GOOD FOR TWO DAYS UNLESS WE AWARD THEM RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

AND THE THIRD POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS REALLY THAT, AS WE'VE KIND OF TRIED TO REALLY STRESS AND DRIVE HOME IS, WHEN YOU GUYS WHEN WE DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10 PERCENT OF THEM ARE AFFORDABLE OR IN OUR PRIVATE PROGRAM CALLED ATTAINABLE, THE COST RISES FOR THOSE OTHER MARKET RATE UNITS TO BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE ATTAINABLE UNITS.

I MEAN, IT IS TRULY AN ECONOMIC FUNCTION.

SO IF IT RISES THE COST FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE STRIVE FOR AT PONDEROSA PARKWAY, FOR INSTANCE, IS REALLY TO BRING OUR WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, FLAGSTAFF'S EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, POLICE, FIRE.

FIRE STAFF.

YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF, ANYONE THAT REALLY WANTS TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, IT RAISES THE PRICE FOR THOSE ENTRY LEVEL MARKET RATE UNITS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STRIVE AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THE MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT YOU HAVE IN A PROJECT, WHETHER IT BE 10 OR 20 OR 25 PERCENT, IT RAISES THE COST OF THOSE OTHER MARKET RATE UNITS.

UNFORTUNATELY, AND THAT'S JUST THE THE BASIC ECONOMICS OF IT.

AND SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER NOLAN.

YEAH, I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF THESE WERE TO REMAIN AS APARTMENT UNITS.

IT WOULD BE AT A LOWER LIKE A RENTAL RATES.

BUT IF YOU SELL THEM AT CONDOMINIUMS, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD COST MORE, YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD HELP TO SERVE THAT PART OF THE MARKET SO THAT WAY THE COSTS DON'T GO UP, IF YOU KEPT THEM AS APARTMENTS.

AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? AGAIN, MIRAMONTE IS REALLY NOT IN THE APARTMENT AT THIS TIME, NOT IN THE APARTMENT RENTAL GAME, IT'S NOT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO TO BRING HOME ON THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE HOME OWNERSHIP FOR FLAGSTAFF INSTEAD TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD EQUITY IN BUILD A PLACE OF A SENSE OF HOME INSTEAD OF HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING FROM TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY OR 12 MONTH RENTALS.

IT'S WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT BEING APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THAT AREA, REALLY.

WE WANT TO ADD TO THE HOME OWNERSHIP OF OF DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO STRIVE FOR HERE AND HAVE BEEN FOR FOR A DECADE.

PLUS AND FLAGSTAFF.

TIFFANY, YOU WANT TO JUMP IN? YES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR A SUBDIVISION PLAT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONVERSATION IS MOVING TOWARDS AN AREA THAT'S NOT IN THOSE FINDINGS.

SO IT'S NOT A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT APARTMENTS PROVIDE A BETTER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTION OVER CONDOMINIUMS. IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE CONDOMINIUM PLATS MEETS THESE SPECIFIC FINDINGS.

SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

BUT NEXT, JUST AND, ERIC, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ON THESE PLATS, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THE HOUSING PLAN, NOR IS THE HOUSING PLAN FINISHED.

AND THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONE THROUGH MANY STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE IN FOR BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.

AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE HAD PLANNED AND IN THE WORKS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS WITH US.

BEYOND THAT, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE DOWNTOWN.

THERE IS A PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT IS PROPOSED THAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT IS THE FOUNDATION FOR SENIOR LIVING PROJECT.

THEY PURCHASE THE OLD CATHOLIC CHURCH OR OUR SCHOOL SITE.

BUT THAT PROJECT IS LOW TECH, MEANING THEY ARE USING LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS AND PROJECTS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BULK OF THE UNITS OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE UNITS OR ALL OF THE UNITS BE AFFORDABLE, ARE GOING TO BE THOSE THAT ARE USING THESE FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE LOT OF THOSE APPLICANTS ARE LOOKING FOR SITES THAT ALREADY HAVE ZONING THAT ALREADY.

SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF THEM COME BEFORE YOU.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE HAPPENING.

WE ARE REVIEWING THEM.

SO IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT ABOUT THESE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY, PLEASE REACH OUT AND WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

OK.

OH, I'M SORRY.

SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING TO THAT.

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SO WHAT I'M ALSO JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT YET ALL THESE OTHER PLANS SEEM TO ALREADY BE APPROVED.

I GUESS WHAT I'M WONDERING, IS IT JUST ON SEQUENCE? WHY DIDN'T THE PRELIMINARY PLAT COME TO US PRIOR TO THOSE OTHER PLANS BEING APPROVED? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS THAT OFTENTIMES AND HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, PEOPLE WILL BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND CONDO THAT AFTER THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED.

SO IT'S THE SAME SITUATION.

I MEAN, WOULD YOU YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEET THE FINDINGS.

IS IT SPECIFIC TO THESE THINGS? DOES IT MEET ALL OF THE ZONING STANDARDS? DOESN'T MEET THE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS? YES, IT DOES.

SO JUST WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE FINDINGS, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO COME IN AND HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF APPROVED.

THEY HAVE EXISTING ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THAT ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS JUST GIVING THEM THE RIGHT TO SELL THOSE AIR SPACE UNITS.

SO WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT A SUBDIVISION IS ITS MINISTERIAL ACTION, IT'S NOT REALLY A DISCRETIONARY ACTION.

THAT'S NOT THAT'S WHY IT'S ALSO NOT LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TIFFANY, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US ON TRACK.

WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A FOUR HOUR MEETING, BUT OH WELL.

SO THERE IS THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC MEETING, SO WE DO NOT HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS.

CORRECT? YOU CAN ASK AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, BUT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RECORD.

OK.

ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, IF SO.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

OH, AND SO.

UNLESS THERE ARE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO DO THAT? THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO, OH WELL, I SEE RICARDO HAS HIS HAND UP, SO.

COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE? OH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, AND JACK AND STAFF.

I'M LOSING MY MIND HERE AS, IT'S BEFORE HOURS, BUT OK, SO I'M COMING LATE TO THE SHOW.

IT REALLY DOES FEEL AS A COMMISSIONER NOLAN SAYS, LIKE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN TERMS OF PERMIT AND ABILITY TO BUILD.

AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, ABSTAIN, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S SOME CONCERNS HERE ABOUT WHAT IS AFFORDABILITY QUOTIENT THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE IF WE'RE SAYING THE ONLY WAY TO BE AFFORDABLE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ON THE THIS IS NOT THE QUESTION BEFORE US, BUT IT KEEPS COMING BACK.

IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE BUILDING THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO HELP PEOPLE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE THESE THROUGH THESE CONDOS.

THEN YOU KNOW IT DOES COME LATE TO THE GAME FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION TO BE ASKED ABOUT THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

AND IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT I'M NOT MORE UP TO DATE ON WHAT ELSE IS BEING BUILT.

BUT EVERY TIME WE DO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE A CONDO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES HIGH AND STEPPED UP TO FOUR.

IT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AGAIN, IT IS NOT REQUIRED THAT THEY PROVE X, Y AND Z.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED THEY DO TRAFFIC IMPACT.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO DO MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.

AND IT DOES BOTHER ME BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IF WE'RE SAYING, OH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET ASKED FOR, IT'S BOTHERSOME.

SO I KNOW WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM TO TALK ABOUT, THE HOUSING, I MEAN, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, AGAIN, IT'S DISTURBING TO ME AND EVEN ON THE LAST VOTE AS WELL .

IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ASKED TO APPROVE OR DENY, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE TO SAY OTHER THAN WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

BUT WE REALLY, WE'RE REALLY NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE UP AND DOWN ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, EVEN THOUGH THAT DOES SEEM TO BE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, EVEN AS JACK HAS SAID, DOESN'T REALLY EXIST IN FLAGSTAFF IN

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THESE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE BUILD THE HIGHER CONDO THINGS TO SUBSIDIZE LOWER HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION BEFORE US, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE COMING UP AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AND I JUST AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

I DO WANT TO CALL OUT THAT THERE ARE LAWS IN ARIZONA THAT PREVENT US FROM REQUIRING DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GUARANTEES THAT IF WE USE THAT, IT IS A DECISION IN A ZONING CASE THAT WE COULD BE IN TROUBLE.

ALL I'M SAYING IS I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION BEFORE US.

BUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE SOMETHING UP OR DOWN BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT.

I'M SAYING, IS IT RIGHT FOR THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN ZONED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING? AND IF WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THAT, THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED OPTIONS HERE, JUST AS YOU SAID.

I DIDN'T SAY AFFORDABILITY.

I SAID THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT.

WE WHO SIT ON THE COMMISSION, WE'RE NOT ZONING ATTORNEYS, AND WE'RE NOT PLANNERS.

AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, AT LEAST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.

THAT'S TRUE.

I WOULD NOTE THAT MOST OF THE THINGS THAT GET BUILT, PERMITTED AND BUILT IN FLAGSTAFF DO NOT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.

AND SO IT IS WHEN THEY, WHEN THERE IS A DISCRETIONARY ISSUE THAT THEY DO COME BEFORE US AND I AGREE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

AND BUT IT IS THE YOU KNOW, IT GETS AS FAR IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT DOES MEET THE ZONING CODE.

AND I DO THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT THING.

THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION ON THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AGAIN, SO I WILL.

ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON PZ-17-00175-040, MIRAMONTE AT BIRCH, FOR THEIR REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR MIRAMONTE AT BIRCH AVENUE TO MAKE THE UNITS 24 RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM UNITS LOCATED AT 304-316 EAST BIRCH AVENUE WITH THE FINDINGS FROM AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STAFF.

WHAT ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY? ARE YOU APPROVING OR DENYING? I SAID I MOVED TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAUL, I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ARE ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

OH, SORRY.

ALL OPPOSED, NAY.

THERE ARE NO NAYS, THIS MOTION IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU.

SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE NEXT? LET ME SEE.

WE HAVE THE LAST ITEM IS THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN.

WE'VE HAD, IT'S A LONG EVENING, DO WE? I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANYBODY A BREAK, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A THREE MINUTE BREAK, JUST TAKE CARE OF OUR BODY NEEDS? LET'S DO THAT AND COME BACK IN THREE MINUTES.

OK, WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

OK, SO THIS NEXT ITEM IS.

[B. 2020 Annual Report on the Flagstaff Regional Plan 2030 STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Discussion only]

THE REPORT ON THE ANNUAL THE REGIONAL PLAN REPORT AND SARAH, IS THAT YOU

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? WOOPS, CAN'T HEAR YOU, THOUGH.

YES, HI, I AM GOING TO INTRODUCE YOUR PRESENTER TONIGHT WHO IS ONE OF THE TWO NEW ASSOCIATE PLANNERS IN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

JORDAN HOLLANDER IS THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

HE ARRIVED WITH OUR STAFF IN MARCH AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER THIS EXCITING REPORT FOR YOU AND HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON PREPARING US FOR THE NEXT REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT AT THE NEXT REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WELCOME JORDAN TO HIS FIRST PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND I'LL LET HIM TAKE IT AWAY.

GREAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW MY CAMERA ON AND SAY HI TO CHAIR JONES AND THE COMMISSION.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN MY CAMERA OFF AND SHARE MY SCREEN.

AND JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME OK.

SOUNDS GOOD.

GREAT.

SO AS SARAH SAID AND AS COMMISSIONER JONES SAID, I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE 2020 ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN.

SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, WHY IS THERE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE TO THE REGIONAL PLAN? WELL, STATE LAW REQUIRES ONE.

THERE ARE BETTER ANSWERS THAN THAT, THOUGH, IT DOES PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY IN TERMS OF HOW THE REGIONAL PLAN IS BEING IMPLEMENTED, WHERE PROGRESS IS AND ISN'T BEING MADE, AS WELL AS TO INFORM POLICY DECISIONS BASED ON THE DATA AND TRENDS THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE ANNUAL REPORT.

THE PROCESS IS VERY SALIENT FOR US RIGHT NOW.

THE PROCESS ALSO INFORMS THE NEXT REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE, AND IT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT METRICS FELL SHORT WHERE WE NEED MORE DATA AND ALSO GIVES US INSIGHT INTO REFINING OUR REPORTING METHODS.

SO JUST A NOTE ON THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE.

THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE THE FINAL ANNUAL REPORT UNDER THIS FORMAT THAT DIRECTLY CONNECTS TO AND EVALUATES THE EXISTING REGIONAL PLAN.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS A TEAM HAVE STARTED TO WORK ON FOR THE NEXT REGIONAL PLAN IS A SET OF OVER 30 EVALUATION PAPERS ON A WIDE VARIETY OF TOPICS THAT SORT OF SEEK TO PRESENT DATA IN AND A SNAPSHOT LOOK OF CURRENT CONDITIONS AND FLAGSTAFF.

SO NEXT YEAR, THE ANNUAL REPORT WILL LIKELY COME FROM THAT EFFORT.

IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE ANNUAL REPORT, THE URL FLAGSTAFFMATTERS.COM IS STILL ACTIVE, AND WHEN YOU GO THERE ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE ANNUAL REPORTS.

CLICK ON THAT, SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.

THIS ANNUAL REPORT IS NOT THERE YET, BUT WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT ON THE WEBSITE IN THE COMING WEEKS.

SO THIS IS THE OUTLINE FOR THE REPORT DOCUMENT ITSELF, WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED EITHER IN A HARDCOPY OR A DIGITAL FORMAT.

AND I'LL LARGELY BE FOLLOWING THIS DURING THE PRESENTATION.

WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT I WILL PRESENT THE KEY INSIGHTS WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE SECTIONS, AND I WILL ONLY BE TALKING ABOUT SOME METRICS AND SOME TRENDS.

SO PLEASE INTERRUPT ME WITH QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A METRIC THAT I DON'T MENTION IN THE PRESENTATION.

FEEL FREE TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL.

I WANT TO JUST START OUT WITH A QUICK NOTE ABOUT THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MAY NOTICE AS YOU READ THE REPORT IS THAT MANY OF THE CITY'S DATA POINTS IN THE REPORT DON'T APPEAR TO BE HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC.

AND THIS IS PARTLY DUE TO THE NATURE OF INDIVIDUAL METRICS AND ALSO PARTLY DUE TO DATA AVAILABILITY.

SO WE DO REPORT DATA FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY, SURVEY FROM THE U.S.

CENSUS BUREAU, A YEAR DELAYED IN MANY CASES JUST BECAUSE OF THE RELEASE DATES FOR DATA.

SO IF YOU'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT THAT DOESN'T QUITE LINE UP WITH WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE REALITY WOULD BE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT'S A DATA AVAILABILITY ISSUE.

ALL RIGHT, SO JUMPING INTO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL AND CONSERVATION PLANNING TRENDS OVERALL FOR THESE MEASURES HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY STABLE.

THE CITY DID PURCHASE QUITE A BIT OF LAND FOR CONSERVATION PRIOR TO THE START OF THE ANNUAL REPORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER.

SO PROGRAMS AROUND OPEN SPACE HAVE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED MORE ON MANAGEMENT.

SORT OF INTERESTINGLY, FOR 2020, WE ACTUALLY SAW A PRETTY BIG INCREASE IN BOTH VOLUNTEER HOURS AND VOLUNTEER HOURS FOR OPEN SPACE AND THEN PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN COMMUNITY GARDENS.

AND SORT OF THE HYPOTHESIS HERE IS REALLY IN LINE WITH NATIONAL TRENDS THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITY DURING THE PANDEMIC.

THE IDEA BEING THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE COOPED UP THAN USUAL AND DECIDED TO ENGAGE IN OUTDOOR

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ACTIVITIES.

MOVING ON TO PUBLIC FACILITIES, TONS OF RECYCLING DID INCREASE IN 2020 COMPARED WITH 2019, HOWEVER, THE WASTE DIVERSION RATE, WHICH DROPPED IN 2017 AND THEN AGAIN IN 2018, HAS REMAINED LOW AT ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT.

SO THIS DOES CORRESPOND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO A DECREASE IN ASIAN MARKET DEMAND FOR U.S.

RECYCLABLES.

AND THAT WAS LARGELY DUE TO HIGH LEVELS OF CONTAMINATION.

AROUND 2018 THE CITY DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO ACCEPTED RECYCLABLES.

I DID WANT TO JUST CONTEXTUALIZE THIS IN TERMS OF DATA FROM THE EPA, WHICH PUTS NATIONAL DIVERSION RATES FOR WHERE 2018 I BELIEVE WAS THE MOST RECENT THAT THEY COULD FIND ON THEIR WEBSITE AT AROUND 30 PERCENT WHEREAS FLAGSTAFF, WAS NINE PERCENT IN 2018.

SO WE ARE A BIT LOWER THAN SOME NATIONAL TRENDS THERE.

ENERGY CONSUMPTION OVERALL AT CITY FACILITIES HAS REMAINED FAIRLY STABLE OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD.

IT DID DECREASE IN 2020, CORRESPONDING TO LESS FACILITY USE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

YOU MAY NOTE THAT CONSUMPTION PER SQUARE FOOT WAS ACTUALLY UP IN 2020.

AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH SUSTAINABILITY INDICATE THAT IT'S LIKELY DUE TO SOME REPORTING IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY MADE IN 2020, BUT THAT IT MIGHT ALSO BE DUE TO THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT REMAINED OPEN IN 2020, POSSIBLY A HIGHER CONSUMPTION FACILITIES PER SQUARE FOOT REMAINED OPEN.

CITY RENEWABLE GENERATION WAS UP IN 2020 AND WAS ACTUALLY AT ITS HIGHEST POINT SINCE 2016 WHEN THE COGEN COMBINED HEAT AND POWER SYSTEM WENT OFFLINE AT WILDCAT WATER RECLAMATION PLANT.

SO THE INCREASE THAT WE SEE IN 2020 IS REALLY JUST DUE TO VERY FEW INTERRUPTIONS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEMS THAT THE CITY HAS AND REALLY JUST A MORE PRODUCTIVE YEAR.

WATER RESOURCES PATTERNS HERE HAVE BEEN A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, COMPARING YEAR TO YEAR METRICS AND ALSO TO GET INSIGHTS FROM WATER SERVICES HAS BEEN A LITTLE CHALLENGING DUE TO VACANCIES.

WE DO KNOW THAT WATER CONSUMPTION PER CAPITA HAS BEEN DROPPING OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, BUT WE STILL DO SEE A LEVEL OF ANNUAL VARIABILITY, AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE ACCURACY OF POPULATION ESTIMATES, AS WELL AS VARIABILITY, SORT OF NATURAL VARIABILITY AND USE WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL SECTORS.

WATER SERVICES DOES, IS ALSO CONTINUING TO REPLACE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH DOES REDUCE WATER LOSS AND ALSO IMPROVES ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

POTABLE WATER` ENERGY COSTS DROPPED AGAIN LAST YEAR.

I THINK THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN PAST REPORTS, BUT THE DROP IN ENERGY COST OF POTABLE WATER IS STILL RELATED TO A STEADY AMOUNT OF WATER IN UPPER LAKE MARY, WHICH IS CHEAPER TO TREAT THAN GROUNDWATER.

BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER, FAIRLY STABLE TRENDS HERE OVERALL WITH A FEW UNIQUE INSIGHTS FOR 2020.

FIRST, BEAUTIFICATION FUNDING, WHICH IS GENERATED BY TOURISM REVENUES, REMAINS HIGH IN 2020, ACTUALLY SAW A PRETTY BIG INCREASE IN THE OPERATIONS BUDGET OVER 2019.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY BROWNFIELD SITE ASSESSMENT SINCE 2016 AND NO BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AT ALL OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD.

AND A BIG CHANGE FOR 2020, WE DID SEE A BIG INCREASE IN HERITAGE RESOURCES INVENTORIED, AND THIS IS LARGELY DUE TO A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT TO DOCUMENT HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE SOUTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.

GROWTH AREAS AND LAND USE, WE'RE SEEING WE HAVE SEEN SOMEWHAT STEADY GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL PERMITS ISSUED, ALTHOUGH YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE TOTAL UNITS PERMITTED DOES SHOW SOME ANNUAL VARIABILITY BASED ON THE TYPES OF PROJECTS EACH YEAR.

COMMERCIAL PERMITS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE HAVE ALSO TENDED TO VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON THE TYPES OF PROJECTS BEING PERMITTED.

AS WITH ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES, ONE LARGE PROJECT IN ANY GIVEN CATEGORY CAN CAN INCREASE THE UNITS OR SQUARE FEET QUITE A BIT.

ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS HERE IS THAT EVEN AMIDST THE PANDEMIC, WE REALLY DIDN'T SEE ANY DRAMATIC DROP OR CHANGE IN PERMITS AND SQUARE FEET THAT FELL OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAS BEEN SORT OF NORMAL LEVELS OF VARIABILITY OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD.

OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTERFACTUAL FOR 2020.

SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER IN A NON PANDEMIC 2020.

ONCE AGAIN, IN 2020, WE SAW A HIGH NUMBER OF ADUS.

AND I THINK THIS AGAIN OUTLINES THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE STYLE UNITS IN FLAGSTAFF.

AND WE DO EXPECT, GIVEN RECENT CITY COUNCIL DECISIONS ON CHANGING SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR ADUS, THAT THIS TREND WILL CONTINUE.

CONTINUING WITH GROWTH AREAS AND LAND USE, ONE OF THE LARGE CHANGES THAT WE SAW IN

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THE REGIONAL PLANS FUTURE GROWTH ILLUSTRATION AND LAND USE ZONING DISTRIBUTION THAT FELL OUTSIDE OF ACTIVITY CENTERS WAS AN INCREASE IN OPEN AND PARK SPACE.

THIS WAS REALLY FROM TWO LARGE PRESERVATION EFFORTS ON THE PART OF THE CITY THAT DESIGNATED OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED THE OBSERVATORY AND MCMILLAN MESA AS OPEN SPACE.

SO THE CITY DID PURCHASE OBSERVATORY MESA LAND PRIOR TO OUR ANNUAL REPORTS, BUT THEY SUBSEQUENTLY DEVELOPED A PLAN IN 2015 TO MANAGE THE AREA.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT LED TO IT BEING CHANGED ON THE FUTURE GROWTH ILLUSTRATION MAP.

THE CITY ACQUIRED MCMILLAN MESA IN 2016.

AND THEN OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD, WE HAVE HAD TWO SPECIFIC PLANS, THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING PLAN IN AND THE LAND USE MIX OF SOME ACTIVITY CENTERS.

TRANSPORTATION OVERALL, WE'VE HAD A REALLY STAGNANT TRENDS FOR BOTH WALKABILITY AND BIKE ABILITY.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.

TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

IT'S ONE OF THE KEY INSIGHTS THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A SMALL BUT STEADY INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING CLOSE TO TRANSIT.

MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MOUNTAIN LINE IS THAT THIS REALLY CORRESPONDS TO SOME LARGER DEVELOPMENTS, SUCH AS THE JACK AND FREMONT STATION THAT WERE BUILT CLOSE TO THE MOUNTAIN LINE ROUTES.

AND THEY REALLY HAVEN'T MADE ANY ROUTE, SIGNIFICANT ROUTE CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE LED TO THOSE NUMBERS INCREASING.

AND THEN ANOTHER KEY INSIGHT THAT I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IN TWO SLIDES IS A FAIRLY PRECIPITOUS DROP IN FOR BOTH TRANSIT BOARDING AND ENPLANEMENTS AT THE FLAGSTAFF AIRPORT IN 2020.

AND THAT'S VERY MUCH RELATED TO THE PANDEMIC.

SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE OVERALL WALKING AND BIKING LANDSCAPE IN FLAGSTAFF HAS REMAINED FAIRLY STAGNANT OVER OUR REPORTING PERIOD.

THE GRAPH TO THE LEFT BIKE SCORE IS THE HIGHER ORANGE LINE AND WALKS TOWARDS THE LOWER LINE.

SO FLAGSTAFF BIKE SCORE FELL IN 2017 AND THAT WAS DUE TO A METHODOLOGY UPDATE THAT THE COMPANY, WALK SCORE, MADE AROUND THAT TIME.

SINCE THEN, THE CITY'S BIKE SCORE HAS ONLY GROWN BY ONE POINT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN TERMS OF GROWTH, BUT STILL FAIRLY STAGNANT.

WALK SCORE HAS INCREASED BY FIVE POINTS SINCE 2014.

BUT JUST TO NOTE HERE, THE MEASURE IS PRETTY LOW OVERALL.

SO FROM THIS FROM THE WALKABILITY SCORES STANDPOINT, THERE'S THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE.

IN TERMS OF TRIP MODE SHARE, THE CITY DID CONDUCT TWO TRIP DIARY SURVEYS OVER A REPORTING PERIOD ONE IN 2014, AND ONE IN TWENTY EIGHTEEN.

AND THAT'S THE GREEN HEADED TABLE TO THE RIGHT OF THE GRAPH.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS BASICALLY VERY LITTLE MOVEMENT.

IT DOES APPEAR THAT THAT WALK MODE SHARE HAS DECREASED BY ABOUT POINT SEVEN OF A PERCENT.

HOWEVER, THAT CHANGE REALLY DOES FALL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR FOR THIS TYPE OF SURVEY.

SO PROBABLY DON'T PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT IN THAT.

I THINK THE BIGGER TAKEAWAY IS STAGNATION RATHER THAN ANY SORT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

AND I DID ADD IN THIS YEAR ANOTHER METRIC MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION TO WORK, WHICH COMES FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.

ANOTHER COMMON METRIC TO UNDERSTAND MODE SHARE.

AND WE SEE ALMOST THE SAME STORY HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF HOW IT EVALUATES MODE SHARE, SO THAT'S WHY THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BUT AGAIN, HERE YOU SEE A REALLY STAGNANT, BASICALLY VERY LITTLE CHANGE OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD.

SO ON THIS, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MAP MASTER PLAN, AND THAT WILL SEEK TO BOLSTER BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INVESTMENTS AS WELL AS USE.

SO THE TRANSIT AND AIRPORT KEY INSIGHT HERE RELATED TO COVID 19, THIS ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

BUT BECAUSE BOTH MOUNTAIN LION AND FLAGSTAFF AIRPORT WERE HITTING RECORD HIGHS PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, I DID WANT TO INCLUDE THIS AS SORT OF A STARK REPRESENTATION OF HOW IMPACTFUL THE PANDEMIC WAS IN 2020.

SO IN BOTH CASES HERE, WE REALLY JUST SEE A PRECIPITOUS DROP IN USE AFTER 2019, AND IT CORRESPONDS TO STAY AT HOME ORDERS, INCREASE IN WORK FROM HOME, STUDY FROM HOME.

THE DECISION NOT TO TRAVEL THAT MANY PEOPLE MADE FOR TRANSIT BOARDINGS DROPPED BY ABOUT

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50 PERCENT IN 2020.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT MOUNTAIN LINE MADE SOME PRETTY DRASTIC CHANGES TO THEIR SERVICE.

THEY IMPLEMENTED THEIR WEEKEND SCHEDULE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR MUCH OF 2020.

I BELIEVE THEY WENT BACK TO REGULAR SERVICE LATE IN 2020, BUT REALLY DID NOT MAKE MUCH OF AN IMPACT IN TERMS OF BOARDINGS FOR THE YEAR.

INTERESTINGLY, FOR THE AIRPORT, THE FIRST TWO MONTHS OF 2020 ACTUALLY SET IN AN ENPLANEMENT AND PASSENGER PIECE THAT WOULD HAVE BROKEN THE RECORD FROM 2019.

OF COURSE, DUE TO, AGAIN, STAY AT HOME ORDERS AND THE PANDEMIC GENERALLY THAT THE WHOLE AIRLINE INDUSTRY TOOK A REALLY BIG HIT THROUGH THE REST OF 2020.

WE'VE GONE TO THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO MONEY SPENT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS REALLY VARIES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE PHASES.

2020 DID INCLUDE A FEW INTERESTING PROJECTS THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.

THEY WERE ALSO FAIRLY COSTLY PER MILE PROJECTS.

SO THE FIRST WAS THE FOURTH STREET BRIDGE, WHICH IS PICTURED IN THE SLIDE HERE.

IT USED AN INNOVATIVE BRIDGE SLIDE METHOD TO PUT THE BRIDGE INTO PLACE.

THERE ARE SOME REALLY COOL VIDEOS OUT THERE OF THAT BEING DONE.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH.

ANOTHER PROJECT THAT INCREASED ROAD CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDING WAS PHASE ONE OF THE COCONINO ESTATES IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED BOTH ROADS AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

HUMAN ENVIRONMENT AND INDICATORS OF COMMUNITY WELL-BEING.

THE POPULATION OF FLAGSTAFF IS INCREASING.

WE, THERE WAS A CENSUS, A FULL CENSUS THAT WAS CONDUCTED LAST YEAR IN 2020.

WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA YET.

IT HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

I BELIEVE WE ARE EXPECTING THAT IN SEPTEMBER, BUT SO FOR 2020, WE WE PROVIDED AN UPDATED 2019 ESTIMATE.

AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE ABOUT A 7000 PERCENT INCREASE OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

THE PERCENT LIVING IN POVERTY HAS BEEN ON A DECREASING TREND, BUT THIS IS A MEASURE THAT WE REPORT ON A YEAR LATE FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.

SO JUST A CAVEAT HERE THAT THIS WOULD NOT REFLECT CHANGES DUE TO THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THE REPORT ITSELF.

AND THEN PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING GIVEN THE LEVEL OF MEDIA ATTENTION.

BUT WE DID SEE A REAL INCREASE IN VOTER TURNOUT DURING THE GENERAL ELECTION IN 2020, AND THAT DEFINITELY FOLLOWS THE NATIONAL TRENDS FOR THAT ELECTION.

NEIGHBORHOODS, HOUSING AND URBAN CONSERVATION.

ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE REPORTING A HIGH AFFORDABILITY INDEX FOR FLAGSTAFF IN 2020.

THAT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED MUCH OVER THE WHOLE REPORTING PERIOD, HOVERING RIGHT AROUND 56 PERCENT, AND THAT'S ABOUT 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS HIGHER THAN WHERE WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE.

THAT SORT OF BEST PRACTICES WOULD WOULD SUGGEST A GOOD AFFORDABILITY INDEX TO BE AT ABOUT 45 PERCENT.

SIMILARLY, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A KEY INSIGHT WE'VE HAD BEFORE.

BUT HOUSING COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE WHILE INCOMES REMAIN FAIRLY STAGNANT.

AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO HERE WE'RE SHOWING HOUSING SALE PRICES IN THE BLUE LINE TRENDING UPWARDS, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IN THE ORANGE LINE IS THE PER CAPITA INCOME FOR FLAGSTAFF.

THIS MAKES VERY CLEAR THAT HOUSING COSTS HAVE INCREASED VERY DISPROPORTIONATELY TO INCOMES IN FLAGSTAFF SINCE THE LOW POINT IN 2015, MEDIAN HOME SALE PRICES HAVE INCREASED BY ABOUT 32 PERCENT, WHILE PER CAPITA INCOME HAS INCREASED BY SEVEN PERCENT.

AND POTENTIALLY, ADDITIONALLY CONCERNING HERE IS THAT THE RATE OF INCREASE HAS ACTUALLY GONE UP FOR HOUSING PRICES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHICH MEANS THAT THE THE MEDIAN PRICE INCREASE EACH YEAR HAS GONE UP BY A HIGHER RATE.

DIFFERENT THIS YEAR, I DID WANT TO ENHANCE THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE INCOME ASPECT OF THIS A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHTS THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON BEFORE.

THE WAY THAT WE REPORT ON INCOME IN THE ANNUAL REPORT JUST TAKES THE NUMBER DIRECTLY FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, WHICH DOES ADJUST FOR INFLATION WITHIN THE YEAR THAT IT'S REPORTED.

BUT IT DOES NOT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT CONSTANT DOLLAR TERMS HERE ON THIS GRAPH.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO BRING IN HERE, THE FEDERAL RESERVE ECONOMIC DATA PROGRAM PROVIDES WHAT'S CALLED A REAL INCOME STATISTIC FOR MOST METROPOLITAN AREAS IN THE U.S.

AND REAL INCOME REALLY JUST REFERS TO INFLATION ADJUSTED INCOME THAT USES THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS CONSUMER PRICE INDEX TO ADJUST INCOMES TO SOME BASE HERE.

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SO FOR THIS, THOSE DOLLARS ARE 2012 DOLLARS.

AND THIS JUST REALLY ALLOWS US TO SEE HOW PURCHASING POWER HAS CHANGED OVER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.

SO THIS IS REAL PER CAPITA INCOME FOR FLAGSTAFF.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT REAL INCOME OR PURCHASING POWER DID GROW IN FLAGSTAFF BETWEEN 2014 AND 2018.

BUT IT DID ACTUALLY TURN NEGATIVE IN 2019, AND THAT IS PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE DECREASE IN 2019 MAY SEEM LIKE A BLIMP IN A LARGER TREND, MAYBE AN OFF YEAR, BUT I DO WANT TO SHOW ONE MORE DATA POINT, AND THAT IS REAL INCOME GROWTH, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DECLINING SINCE 2015.

SO THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING ABOVE THE BLACK LINE IS POSITIVE GROWTH, BUT THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THAT GROWTH RATE HAS BEEN DECLINING SINCE ABOUT 2015.

SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE HERE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS AN INSIGHT INTO HOW WE MIGHT REPORT ON INCOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY IN THE NEXT REGIONAL PLAN, WHERE WE FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON PURCHASING POWER IN THE FLAGSTAFF REGION.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT INCOME, VISITOR NUMBERS WERE DOWN, UNSURPRISINGLY, IN 2020, BUT THEY WERE STILL RELATIVELY HIGH AT ABOUT 4.25 MILLION.

THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION LESS THAN IT WAS IN 2019.

SO CERTAINLY WITHOUT THE PANDEMIC, THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER.

THE EMPLOYMENT INDUSTRY BREAK DOWN FOR FLAGSTAFF REALLY HASN'T CHANGED OVER THE REPORTING PERIOD EITHER WITH EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE BEING THE LARGEST INDUSTRY EVERY YEAR, A RELATIVELY SIMILAR PROPORTIONS.

ON TO RECREATION, THERE WAS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DROP IN PARKS FUNDING, ABOUT 900 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN 2020, AND THAT IS PRIMARILY DUE TO FUNDS THAT HAD BEEN ALLOCATED FOR A WEST SIDE PARK THAT WERE RETURNED UNDER THE CITY'S RECESSION PLAN.

SO THE METRICS, ANY NEW WITHDRAWN OR MISSING METRICS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW THIS YEAR.

WITHDRAWN.

WE HAVE NOT REPORTED ON IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR CITY LIMITS.

I KNOW THAT WATER SERVICES HAS DESIRED TO INCLUDE THAT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO COME ANY TIME SOON, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE NOT REPORTED ANY NEW INFORMATION ON WILDLIFE AND BIODIVERSITY RELATED METRICS, AND THESE COME FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES AT IRREGULAR INTERVALS, AND WE HAVE THERE IS NOTHING NEW FOR 2020 IN THAT REALM.

A NEW ONE THIS YEAR, WE DID NOT REPORT A NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES THAT WERE BROUGHT INTO STORM WATER COMPLIANCE, AND THAT WAS DUE TO ONE OF THEIR VACANCIES.

ROADWAY CONNECTIVITY, METRO PLAN, I THINK STILL HOPES THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP THE CAPACITY TO EVALUATE THIS.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN MEDIAN WAGE OF NEW COMPANIES ATTRACTED OR STARTED IN THE LAST YEAR IS ALSO NOT IN THIS REPORT.

IN TERMS OF THE MOST CITED GOALS IN STAFF REPORTS THIS YEAR LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

IN THE TOP SPOT IS GOAL WR-5, WHICH DEALS WITH STORM WATER AND FLOODING.

AND THAT IS REALLY RELATED TO THE RIO DEFRAG PROJECT AND THE PROJECT TEAM THAT PRESENTED MONTHLY UPDATES TO CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR.

THE NEXT TWO GOALS ARE RELATED TO EMISSIONS AND CLIMATE ADAPTATION EFFORTS, AND THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO THE CITY DECLARING A CLIMATE EMERGENCY AND WORK BEING DONE BY STAFF TOWARDS THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.

THEN WE HAVE GOAL PF3, WHICH IS RELATED TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THIS ONE IS, I BELIEVE, RELATED TO REPORTS RELATED TO THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC.

ON TO REGIONAL PLAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

THE SOUTH SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

SINCE THEN, IT HAS WON TWO AWARDS, ONE FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

AND THEN EARLIER THIS MONTH, ONE FROM THE ARIZONA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION.

SOME TRAFFIC CALMING AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WERE DESIGNED IN TWENTY FOUR CLAY AVENUE THAT COMES OUT OF THE LA PLAZA VIEJA SPECIFIC PLAN, AND THEN WE HAD A NUMBER OF ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING PLAN.

IN TERMS OF OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THE MILTON 180 MASTER PLAN IS NEARING COMPLETION, THAT'S A PRODUCT OF éTAT WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND A UNIQUE AND COCONINO COUNTY.

THE ULTIMATE ISD CORRIDOR IS A GREAT STREET TO GREAT STREETS IDENTIFIED IN THE REGIONAL PLAN.

SO THAT PLAN IS NEARING COMPLETION AND WILL PROVIDE A VISION FOR THAT

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CORRIDOR GOING INTO THE FUTURE.

AND THEN A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT IN 2020 WAS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF BOTH A COORDINATOR FOR INDIGENOUS INITIATIVES AND THE INDIGENOUS COMMISSION ITSELF FOR THE CITY.

SO THE COORDINATOR POSITION IS FILLED BY ROSE TOOEY.

AND THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN MEETING AT REGULAR INTERVALS THROUGHOUT 2020, ONE SO FAR.

TERMS OF FUTURE FUTURE PROJECTS, THE JW POWELL BOULEVARD PROJECT IS ONGOING.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN, AND SUSTAINABILITY STAFF HAS PROPOSED A MAJOR PLAN AMENDMENT TO BRING THE FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE CALL FOR BEING CARBON NEUTRAL BY 2030.

AND THEN, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF STARTING THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE.

AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING PAPERS.

WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A WEBSITE AND A NEWSLETTER AMONG SOME OTHER TASKS.

SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.

THANKS.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

I MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND LOOK INTO THEM AND PROVIDE A INFORMED RESPONSE AT A LATER DATE.

THANK YOU, JORDAN, FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER NOLAN HAS A COMMENT.

I DO.

AND I'LL MAKE THIS FAST.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JORDAN, THAT WAS CERTAINLY A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION, CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE REPORT.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH SOLID WASTE AND SUSTAINABILITY.

SO THEY'RE PRIVY TO WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY.

AND IT'S THAT WITHIN THE ANNUAL REPORT, I THINK, AND I DON'T EXACTLY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN WE LOOK UNDER SOLID WASTE AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC CATEGORY THAT SAYS TONS OF RECYCLING AND WASTE DIVERSION RATES, AND THEN IN PARENTHESES IT SAYS SF HOMES DIVERSION RATES.

THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT HIGH.

SO I THINK THE POINT ALREADY IS COMMUNICATED.

BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN THEY USE THE TERM RECYCLING, THEY HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MUCH OF THE MATERIAL IS ACTUALLY RECYCLED, SO I FEEL IN SOME WAYS THIS MISCOMMUNICATES TO THE PUBLIC THAT EVEN THE, LET'S SAY, THE EIGHT PERCENT THAT'S LISTED ON THERE, IS BEING RECYCLED.

AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW ON HOW TO CLARIFY THAT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT PERHAPS THIS CAN INITIATE SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON HOW CAN WE BETTER DEFINE THOSE METRICS.

THE PROCESS, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IS WHATEVER GOES IN THE RECYCLING BIN, ALL OF THAT GOES TO OUR MATERIALS RECOVERY FACILITY.

THEY DON'T DO ANY OF THE ACTUAL RECYCLING.

THEY'RE ALL THEY DO IS SORT THEY JUST PUT A GLASS WITH GLASS, PLASTIC WITH PLASTIC, CARDBOARD WITH CARDBOARD AND SO ON.

WE'RE DOWNGRADING THAT TO A TRANSFER STATION.

SO WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE DOING THAT LOCALLY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING EVERYTHING DOWN TO MRF DOWN IN PHOENIX.

AND THEN ONCE THEY TAKE IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO TRACK THINGS FROM THAT MOMENT FORWARD.

I AM WORKING WITH STAFF AND ANY OF YOU TO SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY THAT WE CAN TRACK THAT.

BUT IT STILL GETS DICEY BECAUSE ONCE THAT MATERIAL EXITS EVEN A PHOENIX MRF, THEN IT GOES INTO A PRIVATE MARKET AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S EVEN HARDER TO GET THAT DATA.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WITHIN THIS ANNUAL REPORT, IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY ACCURATE AND WHAT IT'S COMMUNICATING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OR HOW THAT'S BEING DEFINED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT COMMENT, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, I THINK SARAH HAD A RESPONSE THAT SHE WANTED TO SHARE OR A REQUEST.

IT LOOKED LIKE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER NOLAN, I WOULD JUST SAY, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA AND MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE COULD HAVE OVER EMAIL ABOUT HOW TO PROPERLY FOOTNOTE THAT METRIC, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO BEFORE THIS IS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND POSTED TO THE WEBSITE.

YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF GETTING A PREPUBLICATION DRAFT.

SO WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, IS I REQUEST THAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE? MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS FOR THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE.

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YOU KNOW, THE THE REGIONAL PLAN THAT WE ADOPT IN 2014 ACTUALLY HAD NO GOALS AND POLICIES RELATED TO SOLID WASTE.

AND WE ADDED ONE THROUGH THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING PLAN ABOUT EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE LANDFILL.

SO IT WENT FROM ZERO POLICIES TO ONE POLICY.

BUT IT'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE OF CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OUR LANDFILL HAS LIMITED LIFE AND NEW LANDFILL LOCATION.

LOCATING A NEW LANDFILL IS A VERY PAINFUL COMMUNITY CITING PROCESS THAT WE'D LIKE TO AVOID OR POSTPONE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.

SO IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SOLID WASTE GOALS WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE AND ALSO HOW WE WOULD WANT TO MEASURE THEM OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE REGIONAL PLAN.

AND ALSO WHEN WE ADOPT THE REGIONAL PLAN, HOW WE'D LIKE FUTURE ANNUAL REPORTS TO LOOK AT THIS TOPIC, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THE ENTIRE REPORT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THIS TOPIC COMES UP CONSISTENTLY YEAR AFTER YEAR, BECAUSE PRIOR TO CREATING A REGIONAL PLAN, ANNUAL REPORT, WE WEREN'T SHARING THIS INFORMATION AS CLEARLY AS WE WERE BY HAVING A FEW KEY METRICS.

SO IT'S ONE OF THE REAL VALUES, I THINK THIS REPORT HAS ADDED TO OUR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.

BUT IT ALSO IS A CHALLENGE IN THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS JUST A FEW METRICS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 20 OR 30 METRICS LIKE FOR A SINGLE TOPIC IN ANY ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S THIS BROAD.

BUT WE COULD BE MORE PRECISE IN WHAT WE CHOOSE IN THE FUTURE.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY IS RIGHT HERE ON THE HORIZON FOR US.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED TOMORROW WITH TODD AND SOME FOLKS AT NEU, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING, WHICH IS HOW CAN WE BETTER TRACK THIS AND BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'LL ALSO BRING UP TO THAT GROUP DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ANNUAL REPORT, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES.

AND I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD GREENWASHING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK IT VILIFIES PEOPLE.

BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

SO I'LL BRING THAT UP TO THE GROUP.

I'LL SEE IF WE CAN BRAINSTORM AMONGST US.

AND, I THINK HALEY IS HER NAME, IS ALSO GOING TO BE THERE FROM SUSTAINABILITY.

SO IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING, I'LL EMAIL YOU WITH THE LANGUAGE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, FOR THAT, BRINGING UP THAT COMMENT AND FOR THE INFORMATION AND FOR KEEPING THIS ISSUE OF SOLID WASTE ON OUR MINDS.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? IN THAT CASE, WE, THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM, WE SHALL MOVE ON.

[7. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]

WE HAVE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION ONE THING MYSELF.

I'M THE LIAISON FOR THE WATER COMMISSION FOR PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND THERE WAS A VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WILL BE ONGOING HAVING TO DO WITH WHAT CONSTITUTES A LARGE BODY OF WATER, BECAUSE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHO CAN USE POTABLE WATER TO FILL THINGS LIKE SWIMMING POOLS OR LAKES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

ANYWAY, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT BROUGHT UP MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS.

SO IT'S, BUT I THINK IT WILL LEAD TO SOME ACTION MAYBE WITH CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S INTERESTING IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

ALEX, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM YOU OR FROM ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? HI, STAFF HAS NOTHING AT THIS POINT.

STAFF IS JUST TIRED.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG MEETING.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR REALLY GOOD COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON EVERYTHING.

AND LET'S ADJOURN.

YES.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

THANKS, EVERYONE.

GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.