Link

Social

Embed

Download

Download
Download Transcript

[00:00:02]

>> WE WILL CALL THE 15TH [INAUDIBLE] OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO ORDER AT 4:11 PM AND TAKE ROLL CALL.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

>> DAVID HAYWARD.

>> PRESENT.

>> EMILY NEIL.

>> PRESENT.

>> JILL HOUGH.

>> PRESENT.

>> CAITLIN KELLY IS EXCUSED, AND CHARLIE WEBBER.

>> PRESENT.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? WE MOVE ON TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS REGULAR MEETING OF JULY 21ST, 2021.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the Heritage Preservation Commission Regular Meeting held July 21, 2021.]

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING OR THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

>> I SECOND.

>> MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DALE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HOUGH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> THE MOTION CARRIES, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST REGULAR ITEM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE MONTE VISTA HOTEL,

[A. Monte Vista Hotel - Phase 3 Addition PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 100 N San Francisco St Assessor's Parcel Number: 101-19-005 Property Owner: Craven Enterprises LLC Applicant: Karl Eberhard City Staff: Mark Reavis, Heritage Preservation Officer REQUESTED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for Phase 3 improvements to an existing historic Monte Vista Hotel on the east of the hotel’s secondary facade. The review includes a street facing parking entry with a patio area over a portion of the parking. The project is located within the Downtown Overlay Zone. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for Phase 3 of the Monte Vista Hotel Improvements with a condition that the Heritage Preservation Office be provided an acceptable paint chip with color and LRV specifications for the stucco of Phase 3 based on the feedback provided by the Heritage Preservation Commission. ]

A PHASE THREE ADDITION AT 100 NORTH SAN FRANCISCO STREET.

MARK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE IT AWAY.

>> YES, I WILL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THE HOTEL MONTE VISTA, 100 NORTH SAN FRANCISCO, OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF OUR PRIMARY BUILDINGS NORTH OF 66 IN THE OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH REQUIRES A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND THE COMMISSION DID LOOK AT THE PHASE 2.

THIS IS FOR PHASE 3, WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES TO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE EAST AND PAST DECISIONS.

THERE WAS A CONCERN REGARDING THE COLOR OF THE STUCCO, AND HOW THAT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOTEL MONTE VISTA.

AGAIN, I WAS BASING AND SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY BASIS OF MY REVIEW IS THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY OF DESIGNER BEING A HANDBOOK.

IT HAS GUIDANCE ON ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS, AS WELL AS SOME GUIDANCE ON COLOR.

WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN OUR ORDINANCE ON COMPATIBILITY.

ALSO, TYPICALLY WE LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OR REHABILITATION ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.

CERTAINLY THE PROPOSED CHANGES WHEN YOU LAST REVIEWED IT, YOU'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT ELEVATIONS WHICH WOULD BE THAT EAST VIEW OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING, YOU REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PRIMARY FACADE ON ASPEN STREET AND HOW THAT ADDITION LOOKS, HOW IT STEPS BACK IN A SLIGHTLY PULLED AWAY FROM THE HOTEL.

THEN THIS WAS A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ARCHITECT AND MYSELF ON WHY CERTAIN DECISIONS WERE MADE.

I SWUNG BACK AROUND AT THE SAN FRANCISCO FACADE.

WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE 1916 POST OFFICE WITH THE GLAZED, LIGHT-COLORED TERRACOTTA CLASSICAL FACADE WAS THERE.

A MOTEL WAS BUILT FROM THAT POINT.

THAT'S A FAIRLY LIGHT COLOR ON THAT GLAZED LIGHT TERRACOTTA THAT'S ON THAT FACADE, AGAIN LOOKING AT SPECIFIC THINGS ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE CONTEXT OF OTHER STRUCTURES AROUND.

AS WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, WE HAVE COLOR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE FAIRLY LIGHT.

AGAIN, NOT TYPICAL TO SOME OF THE REVIEWS FOR OTHER BUILDINGS PER THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

[00:05:09]

BUT AGAIN, THE HPC CAN LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THAT BUILDING.

RIGHT TOWARDS THE END, I'LL LET KARL PRESENT THE KICKER ON WHAT HE FOUND OUT ON THE BUILDING THAT WAS AT THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION, WHICH IS THE PATIO THAT COVERS THE PARKING AREA WITH THE URGED ENTRY.

UNLESS THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'LL JOIN LATER AFTER KARL PRESENTS HIS DESIGN.

>> THANK YOU, MARK. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO KARL? I'M NOT HEARING ANY, SO KARL IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD.

>> HI, EVERYBODY. THIS IS KARL EBERHARD, THE ARCHITECT.

I'M GOING TO ATTEMPT TO SHARE MY SCREEN WITH YOU.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN PROPERLY.

IT'S COUNTING DOWN.

DO WE ALL SEE THE PRESENTATION?

>> YES.

>> OKAY, GREAT. THANKS EVERYBODY.

IN 2019, WE CAME TOO WITH THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDED FOUR PHASES, AND SO THIS WOULD BE PHASE 3 OF 4.

WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO COME THROUGH THIS FAST.

BUT THE WORLD'S BEEN GOOD TO JIMMY AND HE'S READY TO MOVE AHEAD WITH PHASE 3 AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE BACK, AND WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU LAST TIME, EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY SAW.

AS MARK SAID, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT COLOR.

I'LL JUST WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY IF ANYBODY IS NEW.

AS YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S THREE PARTS TO THE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE THE OLD COCONINO SUN BUILDING, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY OLDER THAN 1890.

THEN YOU HAVE THE POST OFFICE, WHICH IS 1916.

THEN THE HOTEL BUILT IN 1926 IS ACTUALLY AN ADDITION TO BOTH OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.

THE POST OFFICE IS PRETTY MUCH INTACT, READS AS A SEPARATE BUILDING.

YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE IT FROM WHEN IT WAS BUILT, ON THE COCONINO SUN BUILDING, NOT SO MUCH.

WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOTEL, THEY PUT A NEW FACADE ON IT.

THEY BUILT OVER THE FRONT OF IT.

THEY REMOVED ADDITIONS FROM THE BACK OF IT.

ESSENTIALLY, ON THE COCONINO SUN, WHAT REMAINS IN THAT BUILDING IS THE EAST AND WEST WALL, THE WEST WALL BEING NOW INTERNAL EAST WALL BEING THE ONE THAT FACES THE PARKING LOT SO THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT AFTER THAT OLD BUILDING.

OUR PROJECT UP UNTIL NOW IS THE THREE PARTS.

THE FIRST PART, YOU SEE THE STOREFRONT THAT WE BUILT ALREADY WHERE THE PATO THAI RESTAURANT USED TO BE.

YOU WILL SEE PROBABLY IN THE SPRING THE TWO MARQUEES GOING ON THE ENTRANCES.

THOSE ACTUALLY ARRIVED IN THE UNITED STATES RECENTLY, AND ARE ACTUALLY SITTING IN JIMMY'S FRONT YARD.

HOPEFULLY, THOSE GET INSTALLED IN THE SPRING.

THE SECOND PHASE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS RECREATING THE RESTAURANT, REOPENING THE BALLROOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, AND A SMALL ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

AS NOTED, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS PHASE 3, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE WHAT PHASE 3 IS AS BASICALLY AN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING.

BUT ON THE BUILDING WHICH IS THE BASEMENT IN TWO FLOORS, AND THEN THE PATIO OVER THE PARKING LOT.

IT HELPS A LITTLE BIT TO DISSECT THE BUILDINGS.

THIS IS A SECTION VIEW, JUST TAKE A CHAIN SAW AND CUT HALF A BIT OFF, AND YOU BEGIN TO SEE HOW ALL THIS WORKS.

YOU HAVE THE FACADE ON ASPEN, IT'S VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED.

WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE STOREFRONTS AND THERE'S REALLY TWO INVOLVED.

ONE THAT GOES INTO THE HALLWAY, THEN ONE THAT GOES INTO THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE.

WE'LL REDO THOSE STORE BRANDS AND [INAUDIBLE] MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE BUILDING.

IF YOU KNOW THOSE STORE PRINTS NOW, THEY'RE PRETTY ATROCIOUS.

WE'LL DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER AT PATO THAI.

THEN INSIDE THE BUILDING, WHAT IS NOW OFFICES WILL GET OPENED UP TO BECOME BAR AREA.

[00:10:02]

THEN THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE BELOW THAT WILL ALSO GET REMODELED, NOT MUCH, EXCEPT THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THIS FUNKY COCKTAIL LOUNGE BUT WE'LL NEED TO DO SOME WORK IN THAT AREA SO IT'LL GET SOME WORK.

THEN IN THE BACK IS THE THREE-STORY EDITION, A BASEMENT, THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE GETTING REPLACED, AND THE MUSIC ROOM ON TOP OF THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM ASPEN AVENUE.

IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE DEFINITELY TRIED TO FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND I CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT IN YOUR STAFF SUMMARY CERTAINLY IN MY NARRATIVE, THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE EMPLOYED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS AN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING IS APPROPRIATE VISUALLY.

THIS SHOULD BE TO THE SIDE TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT.

IF YOU WERE STANDING ON THE BANK OF AMERICA ATM, THIS IS WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT.

THIS IS THE ALLEY WHICH YOU COULD NEVER SEE BECAUSE THERE'S BUILDINGS IN THE WAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THEN IT HELPS A LITTLE BIT, YOU SEE IT FROM OVERHEADS.

THIS IS THE SAME OVERHEAD I SHOWED IN THAT FIRST SLIDE AND JUST SPINNING AROUND TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT ALL LOOKS LIKE.

I'M GOING TO TRY A LITTLE TRICK HERE.

THE BACK HERE, IS THAT DRAWING LITTLE LANDS ON THERE FOR YOU? THAT IS THE REBUILD OF THE BACK KITCHEN AREA, A SMALL ADDITION FOR A FREEZER, NEW HVAC THAT WE'RE DOING AS PART OF PHASE 2.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THIS NEW ELEMENT THAT I'M PROPOSING NOW THAT THIS PART IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK.

COMING AROUND HERE AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT SAME AREA, THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

THEN YOU SEE THE NEW EDITION GOING ON OVER HERE WITH THE EXISTING HOTEL STAYING RIGHT BACK IN HERE.

IF YOU WERE STANDING AT THE CORNER OF SAN FRANCISCO AND ASK THEM TO LOOK EAST, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WALKING DOWN THE STREET.

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE ALLEY WHERE THE HAIR CLIPPINGS STORE IS LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN MAYBE CLOSE TO WHERE THE POST OFFICE IS LOOKING BACK.

THEN IF YOU WERE MAGICALLY IN THE BANK OF AMERICA BUILDING WHERE IT WASN'T THERE, PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE IMAGES FROM SHOWING YOU THE MASTER PLAN AND WHICH WAS WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSION.

HERE YOU SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES FROM THAT PLAN OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T DRAW THE UMBRELLAS AND CHAIRS IN, THAT THE MATERIAL CHANGES ARE WE'VE ADDED A TRASH ENCLOSURE BACK IN HERE BECAUSE THE TRASH ISN'T BEING DEALT WITH VERY WELL RIGHT NOW.

YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE ENCLOSED CELOSIA, WHICH WAS AN OPEN TRELLIS BEFORE.

WE'VE PULLED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FORWARD FROM WHERE WE HAD IT BEFORE.

THAT ALLOWS US TO GET A PASS-THROUGH WINDOW HERE AND COVER THE DOOR HERE.

SO WE'RE STILL VERY FAR BACK FROM THE STREET.

BUT WE DID PULL IT FORWARD.

THEN LASTLY, IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, THIS AREA BACK HERE WAS AN OPEN RAILING.

WE THINK WE WANT TO MAKE THAT A SOLID WALL.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SEATING AND THE PARKING AREA.

AT THE TIME THE CONCERN WAS OVER THE COLOR OF THE STUCCO.

THIS RELATES TO WHAT THE CITY STAFF DOES AND THE REST OF THE CITY, WHERE LIGHT COLORS AND STUCCO ARE NOT APPROPRIATE.

HOWEVER, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, NEITHER OF THOSE TWO RULE.

BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN ARGUING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD COME UP FOR A FEW YEARS.

THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE SHOULD MATCH THE COLOR OF THE BRICK.

SO WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS LAY OUT WHAT THE ADDITIONAL LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S COLORED LIKE THE TWO BRICK TOWNS.

THIS TOP ROW HERE, ALL OF THIS IS BASICALLY MATCHING THAT FACADE BRICK, WHICH IS A BROWN.

THEN THE LOWER ROW IS MATCHING THE FAKE BRICK, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MUSTARD YELLOW COLOR.

I DIDN'T CHEAT, I ACTUALLY HAD SKETCH-UP,

[00:15:01]

SELECT THE COLOR AUTOMATICALLY FROM THE BRICKS.

I TRIED ABOUT THREE TRIES TO FIGURE OUT WHICH BEST THAT I COULD GET AND THIS WAS IT.

SO WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION.

HISTORICALLY, SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN BUILDINGS LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN STUCCOED.

IT'S AN ANOMALY THAT THE HOTEL IT NEVER WAS.

BUT, PART OF OUR SCHEME FOR MAKING THIS PROJECT MEET THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS IS THAT WE'RE DOING A SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN AND COLONIAL REVIVAL ADDITION TO THE SAME BUILDING.

BUT WE'RE LETTING IT BE A DIFFERENT BUILDING AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AND BE A 2021 BUILDING AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, BY BASICALLY FINISHING IT OUT THE WAY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINISHED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIGHTER TONE.

IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE A COLOR BOARD.

WE HAVE BASICALLY A LIGHT REFLECTANCE VALUE OF 70 AND NORMALLY IN THE CITY, THEY REQUIRE 50 OR LESS.

WHICH WOULD BE COLORS ON THIS DARKNESS, AS OPPOSED TO THE LIGHTER SCHEME.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT REFRIGERATED WHITE.

I COULD TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WOULD BE CONCERNED IF IF THIS WAS A REFRIGERATOR COLOR.

THIS IS ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIALLY MORE COLORED THAN LOWER LIGHT REFLECTANCE VALUE.

THEN FOR EXAMPLE, THE OLD MALONEY BUILDING THAT WE'VE TRIED TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN A REALLY STARK WHITE AND THE BRICK COLOR THAT ALLOWS THE COLOR TO COME INTO PLAY.

BUT YET NOT RIGHT TO FAKE THE BRICK, WHICH WILL NEVER LOOK RIGHT IN MY OPINION.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE JUST THREW INTO A CONTEXT, AS MARK MENTIONED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING FROM SAN FRANCISCO STREET, YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL POST-OFFICE LOTUS LOUNGE, WHICH IS A VERY LIGHT VALUE BUILDING.

IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST WHITE AS BEST YOU CAN TELL.

THEN OF COURSE THE BUILDING IS TRIMMED OUT IN WHITE AS WELL, THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

SO WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE SKIN GOES VERY WELL.

AS I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER MATERIALS FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I CALLED UP ALL OF MY FLEXION OF CRAZY PHOTOGRAPHS OF THIS BUILDING AND INTERESTINGLY WHAT YOU SEE THE BUILDING THAT USED TO BE RIGHT WHERE I PROPOSE THIS EDITION WAS WHITE STUCCO.

WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, OBVIOUSLY, WE'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE COMMISSION ON DECIDING THE FINAL ANSWER.

WE THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS IN FACT THE RIGHT ANSWER.

WITH THAT, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANYBODY'S QUESTIONS, I DID KEEP IT SOMEWHAT SHORT, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ALL OF THE PARTICULARS OF THE PROJECT.

IF I MISS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, I INVITE YOU TO ASK ME ABOUT IT AND I WILL CHECK MYSELF OFF AT THIS POINT. ARE WE STILL HERE?

>> WE ARE STILL HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH KARL. APPRECIATE IT.

DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KARL?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> YES GO ON.

>> THE AWNING THAT YOU'VE EXTENDED IS THAT NOW GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING AND WILL THAT DAMAGE THE BUILDING IN ANY SORT OF WAY?

>> ARE YOU TALKING ON THIS AWNING RIGHT HERE?

>> YES.

>> YES. IF I SCROLL BACK OVERHEAD SHOTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT IS GOING TO OVERLAP THE BUILDING IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

I WILL ATTACH IT THROUGH THE JOINTS AND NOT THROUGH THE BRICK.

SO I CAN ASSURE THAT THE BUILDING WILL SURVIVE.

BUT FOR FULL CLARITY, I DO WANT TO CUT A HOLE THROUGH THE WALL RIGHT HERE SO THERE'S A PASS-THROUGH FROM THE BAR TO THE DECK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GUESS THAT HAS BLOCKED MY WAVE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO PULL UP THE COLOR SECTION OF THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES.

[00:20:10]

>> PROBABLY HELPS TO BUY STUFF PRESENTING THE CONTENT. [LAUGHTER]

>>NOW, THE HANDBOOK, MR. CHAIRMAN HAS USED COLOR SCHEMES THAT WILL COMPLEMENT OTHER BUILDINGS NEARBY.

C2 HAS USED COLORS TO COORDINATE FACADE ELEMENTS IN AN OVERALL COMPOSITION AND ART, C3 IS PRESERVED BRIGHT COLORS OR ACCENTS ONLY IN WHERE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THE HISTORICAL USE OF BRIGHT COLORS, WHATEVER A BRIGHT COLOR IS.

SECRITARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS DOES NOT REALLY ADDRESS COLORS, IT USES THE TERM COMPATIBILITY.

>> I ALSO THINK A POINT THAT KARL HAD MADE THE SECTOR OF INTERIORS GUIDELINES DO SUGGEST THAT ADDITIONS TO START STRUCTURE SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE BUT DISTINGUISHED FROM THE HISTORIC CONSTRUCTION.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE, AND ALSO THE HANDBOOK HAS THREE ASPECTS, R13 IS AVOID NEW EDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS THAT WOULD HINDER THE ABILITY TO INTERPRET THE DESIGN CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS.

AGAIN, THIS IS SET BACK ON THE PRIMARY FACADE, OR NEW ADDITIONS THEY PLANNED THAT HAVE NO HISTORIC BASIS DESIGN THEM TO BE AS INCONSPICUOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

R15 IS ONE LOCATED IN ADDITION TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS MAINTAIN THE PATTERN CREATED BY THE REPETITION OF SIMILAR BUILDING FRONTS, SO I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY POST-OFFICE, HOTEL BONAVENTURE NEWSPAPER.

THAT CLARIFIES THE HANDBOOK ASPECTS.

>> THE POST OFFICE BUILDING IS A SANDSTONE COLOR THAT IS RELATIVELY SIMILAR TO THE COLOR PHOTOS HERE.

>> YEAH. IT'S CLASSICAL DESIGN, IT'S GLAZED TERRACOTTA, SO IT'S A LIGHT COLOR, COOLER COLOR THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE STUCCO, WHICH WOULD APPEAR TO BE APPROPRIATE TO BE A WARMER COLOR.

>> IF I MAY, AND IT'S KARL.

I ALSO SHOWED THE MASTER PLAN TO SHIPPO AND THEY WERE QUITE PLEASED WITH THE PROJECT.

>> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STUFF? IF NOT, CAN WE GET A MOTION? PLEASE KNOW THAT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE MOTION?

>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION TO EVERYONE IF WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, PLEASE, I'LL READ IT FROM THE AGENDA WITH A STAFF'S RECOMMENDED ITEM ON THE PAINT CHIP.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SHOULD I CONTINUE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO MARK?

>> I JUST WANT TO DO BUT JUST DO ONE MORE THING, I'M SORRY JOE.

I DID BASE THE MOTION ON FINDINGS THAT THE SUBMISSION HAS NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND THAT IT MEETS THE DESIGN HANDBOOK FOR DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF AND THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR VEHICLE ROTATION.

I'M DONE WITH THAT, AND IF YOU WANT TO READ THE MOTION, THANK YOU.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PHASE 3 OF THE MONTE VISTA HOTEL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CONDITION THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICE BE PROVIDED AN ACCEPTABLE PAINT CHIP WITH COLOR AND LRV SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE STUCCO OF PHASE 3 BASED ON THE FEEDBACK PROVIDED BY THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

[NOISE]

>> GLO SECOND THEM UP.

THAT WAS A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HOUGH SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAYWARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> AYE

>> CHARLIE, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE MUTED.

[00:25:02]

IS THERE A BUTTON YOU CAN PRESS TO UNMUTE YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE PHONE? OR SARAH, ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE HIM?

>> I AM NOT ABLE TO UNMUTE MR. HAYWARD RIGHT THIS MOMENT, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHY.

CHARLIE, I THINK WE'RE HANG UP ON YOU AND LET YOU COME BACK IN IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> ONE SECOND. MR. CHARLIE CAN YOU TRY PRESSING IN SIX ON YOUR PHONE AND SEE IF THAT WORKS.

>> MAYBE STAR 6.

>> STAR SIX? YEAH.

>> THEY YOU GO.

>> THERE HE IS.

>> I THINK THAT THE-

>> THERE WE GO. PERFECT. WHAT WAS YOUR [OVERLAPPING]

>> MIKE, TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN.

>> YEAH. THAT WAS AN AYE.

>> AYE? DO WE HAVE ANY NAYS, ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH KARL FOR YOUR HARD WORK, AND I THINK WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THEM OBVIOUSLY GET A NEW LEASE ON LIFE.

>> THANK YOU ALL AS WELL.

I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT, AND I KNOW THAT THEY MAY EXTEND HEARTFELT THANKS AS WELL AND THEN A GREAT RUN MAKING THIS BUILDING [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANKS, KARL. [NOISE]

>> WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE TEATRO RESTAURANT FACADE REHABILITATION,

[B. Teatro Restaurant Facade Rehabilitation - Herman Building PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 16 N San Francisco Assessor's Parcel Number: 101-21-013A Property Owner: Flagstaff Historic Properties Applicant: Anne Mead Architect - Up Design City Staff: Mark Reavis, Heritage Preservation Officer REQUESTED ACTION: Certificate of Appropriateness: Design review for primary facade storefront rehabilitation per: Design Handbook for Downtown Flagstaff, Downtown Design Zoning Overlay. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve Certificate of Appropriateness]

AT THE HERMAN BUILDING AT 16 NORTH SAN FRANCISCO, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR A [NOISE] CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

MARK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PLACE.

>> YES, THIS BUILDING FRONT HAS TWO BAYS THAT HAD CHANGES OVER TIME, THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT BRICK BUILDING THAT PROPOSES A NEW STOREFRONT.

JUST TO MAKE IT TO MAKE CLEAR, I DID WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT ON DETERMINING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT BEHIND THOSE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED MID-CENTURY THAT RANGED FROM A THEATER TO A RESTAURANT TO LOTS OF CHANGES THAT COMPLETELY WIPED OUT THAT BAY THAT'S UNDERNEATH BRICK PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

I DID REVIEW THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AND I DID MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNIFICANT ASPECT TO THOSE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED.

VERY MUCH LIKE THE DESIGN BECAUSE IT IS IN KEEPING WITH MULTIPLE FACADES ON THAT EAST SIDE OF SAN FRANCISCO STREET AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP.

AGAIN, IT FEATURES A STOREFRONT [NOISE] PLUS A TRANSOM THAT WAS ABOVE.

LOTS OF HISTORIC VERSIONS WERE RANGED FROM PRISMATIC GLASS TO JUST UPPER TRANSCENDS THAT WERE OPERABLE.

THE ARCHITECT HAS PRESENTED A UNIQUE DESIGN WHERE THE UPPER TRANSOM PATTERN ALSO MATCHES THE FENCE OF THE EATING AREA DOWN BELOW WITH THE PANELS THAT OPEN UP.

THERE IS AN ASPECT, THE MARQUEE SIGN, I BELIEVE WAS VERY IMPORTANT AS FAR AS IDENTIFYING THE RESTAURANT AND WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE.

WORKED, HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THE SIZE OF THAT SIGN.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTED, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT SIGN DOES FLOAT AWAY FROM AND IS NOT ANCHORED TO THE BRICK, SO IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE BRICK FACADE.

AGAIN, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN, I FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE ARCHITECT TO PRESENT.

>> THANK YOU MARK AND WELCOME BACK.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU CAN START YOUR PRESENTATION.

[NOISE]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT,

[00:30:01]

I DID NOT IDENTIFY MY STAFF REPORT CORRECTLY.

IT'S 16 SAN FRIEND GRAPHICS IF YOU WANT TO OPEN MY STAFF REPORT.

IT'S THE THIRD ONE DOWN.

>> AS THE ATTACHMENT OF THE AGENDA ONLINE? YEAH.

>> YES.

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> WE CAN HEAR YOU. WELCOME.

>> THIS IS ANNE MEAD WITH UP DESIGN AND I AM REPRESENTING THAT PLACE PROJECTS.

KEVIN HEINONEN AND NICK WILLIAMS, WHO I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN ARE SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH.

THEY HAVE A LONG-STANDING REPUTATION OF BRINGING SOME REALLY GREAT PROJECTS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE.

THIS IS THE HERMAN BUILDING AND I'VE WORKED WITH MARGARET HERMANN OVER THE YEARS LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING, SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF IT.

IN THE 1920S, IT WAS A THEATER AND THAT WAS IT'S ORIGINAL USE, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, AND IT FUNCTIONED AS A THEATER UP UNTIL SOMETIME IN THE '40S, '50S.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS HISTORIC PHOTO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD THEATER TICKETING AND ENTRANCE, EXITS.

THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT LITTLE PUNCHED OPENINGS ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING THERE THAT WERE ACTUALLY WINDOWS THAT LOOKED INTO THE PROJECTION BOOTHS WHERE THE PROJECTOR TECHNICIAN OR WHATEVER YOU CALL HIM, WOULD SIT UP THERE AND DO HIS THING.

THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO US.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE PUNCHED OPENINGS.

I WAS UP IN THE ATTIC ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND THOSE OPENINGS HAVE BEEN INFILLED BUT THEY ARE ORIGINAL UP THERE.

THERE IS A LARGE SECTION OF THAT TRANSOM THOUGH THAT WAS PROBABLY ORIGINALLY BLAZED.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT THOUGH, SO WE DO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE OLDEST PHOTO THAT WE HAVE OF IT.

AFTER THE '40S AND INTO THE '50S, I GUESS IT BECAME A RETAIL SUITE.

MAURY SAID THAT THE NAME OF THAT WAS SWEET BRIAR.

IT WAS A WOMEN'S CLOTHING BOUTIQUE.

IT FUNCTIONED AS A RETAIL SPACE UP UNTIL THE 70S OR 80S WHEN IT BECAME A CAFE.

WHICH EVENTUALLY BECAME CAFE DAILY FARE.

THEN WAS LATER OCCUPIED BY, AND MOST RECENTLY CRYOYO.

WITH THE PANDEMIC, CRYOYO CLOSED THEIR DOORS AND THAT PLACE PROJECTS SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING AN ITALIAN KITCHEN CONCEPT TO THE MAIN ROAD OF SAN FRANCISCO STREET.

WHICH I THINK IT'S A REALLY APPROPRIATE USE AND WILL BE A REAL HIT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THEY WANTED TO JUST PAY A LITTLE HOMAGE TO THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S WHY THEY'VE DEEMED THE PROJECT TEATRO, WHICH IS ITALIAN FOR THEATER.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF DIFFERENT DESIGN ASPECTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO THE RESTAURANT THAT HAVE NODES TO THAT HISTORY.

JUMPING THEN INTO THE DESIGN, AGAIN, IF JUST FOR CONTEXT, WE CAN LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE STREET.

I KNOW EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS BLOCK.

BUT WE'VE GOT WEST OF THE MOON THERE TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.

THEN WHAT WAS FORMERLY REACH STAGGER NOW IS FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING.

THEN OF COURSE, BRIGHT SIDE BOOKS IS IN THE ADJACENT SUITE TO THE NORTH.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE EXISTING CONDITION.

AGAIN, MARK TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT NONE OF THE CURRENT INFILL IN THAT STORE FRONT IS IN HIS OPINION SIGNIFICANCE.

THERE'S FACE BRICK ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE PILASTERS.

[00:35:05]

IF WE WILL LOOK AT HOW THOSE PILASTERS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ALTERED, ALTERED THE GEOMETRY AND THE SYMMETRY OF THE BUILDING IN A WAY THAT I THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ABANDON AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL PROPORTION OF THE MASONRY.

WE WILL TAKE DOWN THAT MARQUEE AND THEN THAT CLAPBOARD OR PLYWOOD SIDING OVER THAT ORIGINAL TRANSOM AREA.

JUMPING JUST BACK MOMENTARILY TO THOSE HISTORIC PHOTOS, I WAS ALSO ABLE TO SEE FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT THERE IS AN ORIGINAL STEEL LINTEL THAT COMES ACROSS THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT OPENING UP AT THIS ELEVATION.

WHENEVER THESE WINDOWS WERE ADDED, THIS WAS INFILLED, THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE MASONRY ITSELF.

YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE IN THESE BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT WE EXPECT THE ORIGINAL MASONRY IS IN THIS AREA, NOT OFFSET LIKE IT LOOKS IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.

GOING TO OUR PROPOSED DESIGN, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CREATE A REALLY OPEN AND INVITING FACADE THAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF LIGHT, AND HAS HISTORIC PROPORTIONS AND ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO NOT ONLY THE ADJACENT SUITE BUT TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT ITSELF.

WE HAVE PROPOSED A SIGN THAT HAS SOME CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE COMMON TO SOME ORIGINAL THEATER MARQUEE SIGNS.

WHAT THAT CURVED TOP AND PROJECTING ELEMENT.

AGAIN, WHEN WE DO HAVE THAT ORIGINAL STEEL LINTEL, WHICH WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE AND MAYBE GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING ACROSS THAT STORE FRONT WITHOUT MAKING ANY PENETRATIONS OR MAKING ANY ATTACHMENTS TO THE EXISTING MASONRY.

I DO KNOW THAT MAURY HAS HIS HANDS ON SOME GULAB BRICK THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD MATCH FOR THIS BUILDING.

IN THE EVENT THAT WE TAKE THE FACE-BRICK OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND HAVE AREAS THAT ARE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME MATERIAL TO POTENTIALLY PATCH AND REPAIR AS NEEDED.

WE HAVE NOT YET STRIPPED THE BRICK OFF OF THOSE PILASTERS, BUT WE'RE HOPING FOR THE BEST AND HOPING TO FIND THAT ORIGINAL MASONRY UNDERNEATH THERE.

AS MARK MENTIONED, WE'D LIKE TO DO A LEADED GLASS TRANSOM AND HAVE SOME DECORATIVE PATTERN IN THAT.

THIS IS PRECEDENT IMAGE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING AT THIS POINT THAT WILL BE CUSTOM FABRICATED AND WE WILL DETERMINE THE EXACT PATTERN OF THAT AS WE PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN, AND WHETHER THAT GLASS IS TOTALLY TRANSLUCENT, BEVELED, OR OBSCURED WILL BE DETERMINED.

WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT STORE FRONT BEING TOTALLY OPERABLE, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE'VE GOT FOUR DOORS ACROSS THE FRONT, AND THOSE WILL BE PIVOT DOORS.

YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE A RENDERING OF WHAT THOSE DOORS WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE OPEN.

OUR INTENT HERE IS NOT TO PROVIDE MAYBE YOUR CONVENTIONAL SENSE OF SIDEWALK DINING, BUT MORE SO JUST TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE INDOOR DINING AND THE STREET FRONT.

THE INTENTION IS TO ACTIVATE THE STOREFRONT, CREATE A CONNECTION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY CREATE THIS BIG PROJECTION INTO THE SIDEWALK AREA.

[00:40:04]

IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE THAT BETWEEN THE STREET TREE AND THE FACT THAT THE SIDEWALK NARROWS DOWN TO ALLOW FOR THE STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BOOKSTORE, THERE'S JUST NOT REALLY A LOT OF REAL ESTATE THERE TO DO A FULL SIDEWALK PATIO.

OUR SIDEWALK PATIO IS JUST PROPOSED TO PROJECT, JUST HAVE THE SIDEWALK RAILING PROJECT TWO FEET OUT IN THE PATIO, WHICH GIVES US ENOUGH SPACE TO OPERATE THOSE DOORS.

WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THIS PRODUCT WILL BE PROBABLY A ALUMINUM CLAD PIVOT DOOR, AND THE PURPOSE FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, I THINK THAT YOU SEE WHAT STORE FRONTS UP AND DOWN, THE STREETS OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY IN WEST FACING EXPOSURES JUST GET REALLY BEAT UP BY THE SUN.

IN AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN A CLEAN AND NICE LOOKING FACADE, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THOSE DOORS ARE GOING TO BE ALUMINUM CLAD.

NOW, WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THE DOORS WOULD BE IN A CUSTOM FINISH IN THIS KIND OF DEEP BLUE COBALT COLOR, THAT I THINK, IS IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEEPLY SATURATED COLORS THAT YOU SEE UP AND DOWN THE STREET ON SAN FRANCISCO.

RIGHT TO THE NORTH IS THAT DEEP TURQUOISE, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH YOU'VE GOT THE DARK REDS AND THE TURQUOISES, BUT EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE STREET, WE HAVE ALL THOSE BRIGHT COLORS ON THE RED CURRY.

I DO THINK THAT IN THE GENERAL CONTEXT, BRINGING THAT BRIGHT POP COLOR IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE CONTEXT.

THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THE CANOPY, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A STEEL FRAMED CANOPY THAT BACK SPINS INTO THE BUILDING RATHER THAN ATTACHING TO THE FACADE.

THEN WE ARE GOING TO PUT A CHANNEL GLASS COVERING ON THAT CANOPY, AND OUR INTENT IS THAT AT NIGHT THAT THE LIGHTS WILL PROJECT DOWN AND COME THROUGH THAT GLAZING AND DAPPLE THE SIDEWALK AND CREATE A REALLY NICE AMBIANCE THAT'S INVITING FOR WALKERS BY, AS WELL AS PATRONS TO THE RESTAURANT.

I THINK THAT OUR INTENTION TOO IS TO HAVE SOME OF THAT DAPPLED AND BOUNCE IN THROUGH THESE TRANSOMS AND THE TRANSOMS WILL FURTHER DIFFUSE THE LIGHT WITH THE LEADED GLASS ELEMENT.

JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS THE CHANNEL GLASS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT AS A HALF-INCH TEMPERATE PRODUCT, SAFETY GLAZING, SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT IN TERMS OF IT BEING OVERHEAD, AND SO THAT WOULD JUST BE CLEADED INTO THAT STEEL PNP TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM THE DOOR, BUT ALSO NOT OBSTRUCT OR OBSCURE TOO MUCH LIGHT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THEN WE WILL USE THAT CHANNEL GLASS AGAIN IN THE SIDE LIGHT OF THIS DOOR, OF THE MAIN ENTRY DOOR, AND THAT SIDE LIGHT WILL BE CONNECTED TO A COMMON ELEMENT ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A WINE DISPLAY THAT BACK-LIGHTS THAT SIDE LIGHT SO IT WILL BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE FOYER WAITING ROOM AREA THERE.

THAT WILL AGAIN ADD SOME DECORATIVE INTEREST TO THE FACADE AND CREATE SOME INVITING ELEMENT THERE.

[00:45:03]

THE ENTRY DOOR, WE DID WORK WITH STAFF AND THERE WAS SOME COMMENT ABOUT HOW MAYBE OUR PREVIOUS DESIGN CONCEPT WAS TOO FORWARD THINKING AND MODERN.

WE DID REEL IT BACK AND TRY TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS REALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PROPORTIONS AND BE MORE COMMON WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FRONT ENTRIES THAT YOU SEE.

THE PIVOT DOORS MAY BE QUITE MODERN, I THINK THAT WE ARE PRESENTING A MORE HISTORIC ENTRY AT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE THERE, SO THAT DOES HAVE A SEPARATE AWNING OVER IT.

THEN AGAIN, COMING BACK TO THAT SIGN ELEMENT THAT MARK MENTIONED, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS AND OBVIOUSLY MAKE A SEPARATE SIGN APPLICATION, BUT WE ENVISION THAT SIGN BEING AGAIN FREESTANDING, SUPPORTED BY THE STEEL STRUCTURE THAT THE CANOPY WILL BE BACK SPANNED OFF OF.

IT WILL NOT TOUCH THE BUILDING, IT WILL BE HELD OFF OF THE BUILDING AND SUPPORT IT FROM BELOW.

THEN IT WILL HAVE THE CHANNEL GLASS IN BETWEEN THE FRAME SO THAT YOU CAN ILLUMINATE FROM THE INSIDE SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT, WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP AND DOWN THE STREET FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, DOWN AT THAT SIDEWALK LEVEL BUT THEN ALSO AS A VEHICULAR OR FROM ACROSS THE STREET, WE'LL HAVE SOME FACE MOUNT OF LETTERS THAT WILL BE BACK-LIT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE RESTAURANT FROM ALL DIRECTIONS AND PEOPLE CAN CLEARLY SEE AND NAVIGATE TO FIND THE RESTAURANT.

AT THIS POINT, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OUR APPLICATION.

WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

FOR THE REAR FACADE OF THE BUILDING WE'LL MAKE A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THAT PATIO IMPROVEMENT, BUT WE DID WANT TO GET THE FRONT FACADE GOING AND THE BALLS ROLLING AND GET THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHEREIN?

>> I DO.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> NICE WORK AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE FLUSH FLATNESS OF THE FACADE.

I THINK THE PIVOT WINDOWS ARE COOL.

YOU SHOWED US A LOT OF PICTURES AND EVERY SINGLE BUILDING IN UNIT HAS A RECESS DOORWAY.

I THINK THAT THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT AND I THINK THE REASON PROBABLY WAS TO GET PATRONS OUT OF THE CELL OR OUT OF THE RANGE, ANYONE SOON OR OUT OF THE SUN.

I THINK IT HAS THIS FUNCTIONALITY TO IT.

NONE OF THE UNITS HAVE AN AWNER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL THE AWNING IS FOR PROTECTION OF PEOPLE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT WHY YOU DECIDED NOT TO DO A RECESSED ENTRY WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS RECESSED.

>> IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A GREAT TOPIC OF DEBATE BETWEEN THE TENANT AND THE OWNER, AND MYSELF AND THE OTHER PEOPLE ON OUR DESIGN TEAM.

ORIGINALLY WE DID DRAW IT THAT WAY.

WE DID DRAW A VESTIBULE AND THEN WE MET ON SITE AND THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOBOS SITTING IN THE CURRENT VESTIBULE.

[LAUGHTER] WE TALKED ABOUT THE BENEFIT OF A VESTIBULE AND ALSO THE COMPROMISE THAT YOU MAKE WHEN YOU MAKE A VESTIBULE.

THE FIRST OBVIOUS ONE THAT I JUST MENTIONED WAS THE MAINTAINING IT FROM THE EXTERIOR.

IT BECOMES A PLACE WHERE TRASH AND DEBRIS PILES UP.

[00:50:04]

IT ALSO CREATES REFUGE FOR PEOPLE DURING NON-BUSINESS HOURS AND WE ALL KNOW THAT VAGRANCY IS THE ISSUE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

FURTHERMORE, IT PRESENTS A COMPLICATION FROM A BUILDING CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE.

HAVING EXTERIOR AREA, THIS BUILDING HAS A FULL BASEMENT.

HAVING EXTERIOR AREA THAT IS OVER THAT BASEMENT AREA HAS CREATED WATER INFILTRATION PROBLEMS CHRONICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

JUST FROM A BUILDING MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO ABANDON THE CONCEPT OF THE VESTIBULE AND ADOPT THE CONCEPT OF AWNING OR OVERHANG.

LASTLY, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO MY CLIENT IS THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE INSIDE.

HAVING A PLACE FOR HIS PATRONS TO COME IN AND WAIT FOR THEIR TABLE IS ESSENTIAL AND THAT, 25 OR 30 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECOMING INTERIOR SPACE IS VERY VALUABLE TO THE RESTAURANT TOO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE PLACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO WAIT WHILE HIS HOST CAN BRING THEM TO THEIR TABLES.

WE DID CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT.

THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THAT SPACE TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING OUTWEIGHED THE BENEFIT TO HAVING THE RECESSED VESTIBULE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

>> THANK YOU. DAVID, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR TAKE ON IT.

>> THANKS, JILL [LAUGHTER]. I WAS CURIOUS TO HEAR MY STAKE ON IT, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK.

I DID JUST GO THROUGH STREET VIEW DOWNTOWN AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE.

THE LARGE MAJORITY OF BUILDINGS HAVE A VESTIBULE.

THAT SAID IS THAT, THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE TIME WHEN THE BUILDINGS WERE BUILT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS CONVENIENT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BUILDING THEM.

I THINK IT IS FAIR FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THE CONVENIENCE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE BUILDINGS TODAY AS ANN HAS TRIED TO DO FOR HER CLIENT.

I DON'T HAVE A SUPER STRONG FEELING ABOUT IT.

MARK, WHEN YOU FIRST SAW IT, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU DISCUSSED WITH ANN AND HER TEAM?

>> YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID GO THROUGH ITERATIONS FROM CEMETERY WITH A CENTER DOOR THAT IMPACTED THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN ON THE INTERIOR.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SIGN WAS MUCH LARGER INITIALLY.

I DO THINK THERE WAS A REACTION TO WHAT I RECOMMENDED AND WENT THROUGH THOSE ITERATIONS AND CAME UP WITH THIS AS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS IT'S IDENTIFIABLE AS SOMETHING NEW, BUT IT IS IN FILLING SOMETHING HISTORIC.

I DO BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH HOW THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS WOULD VIEW IT.

>> IN THAT SENSE, MARK THIS IS REPLACING WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INCOMPATIBLE STORE FRONT EVEN THOUGH IT HAD A VESTIBULE IN THE PAST, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE MUNCH OF HOW I'M LEANING THAT WAY.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITION IT IS NOW WITH THOSE LARGE, GLAZED MID-CENTURY, LOOK.

IT DEFINITELY IS KICKING US BACK TO MORE OF A PATTERN THAT WAS TYPICAL ALONG THAT STORE FRONT, HISTORICALLY.

CLOSER TO THAT COMPATIBLE LOOK OF AN OLDER BUILDING WHEN IT WAS FIRST STARTED.

>> BECAUSE I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHEN CRAYOLA WAS OCCUPYING THAT SPACE,

[00:55:05]

THE FRONT DOOR PLACEMENT AND THE VESTIBULE WAS INCREDIBLY AWKWARD.

THE INTERIOR LAYOUT OF THE RESTAURANT, SO I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO CHANGE THAT.

>> DO ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?

>> THIS IS CHARLIE, AND YOU KNOW THOSE WERE MY FIRST REACTION TO IT TOO.

IT SEEMS LIKE OFFICE FLAT AND I DO HEAR THE REASON FOR US MAKING IT SUCH.

I WASN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG THE PRESENTATION SINCE I'M ON THE PHONE.

MARK, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN THE MAJOR RENOVATIONS FROM THE MID-CENTURY WERE PUT IN IT'S DOING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW CREATING A BLANK OR EMPTY SPACE, THEN FILLING IT IN WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO AT THE TIME AND IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY REFLECTION ON WHAT WAS THERE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT. THAT'S CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S THE WAY I VIEW IT.

>> OKAY.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT YOU ON IT [LAUGHTER], I'M JUST YOU'RE CURIOUS.

BECAUSE THERE WAS A THEATER AND IT WAS HAD A PRETTY BIG RECESSION THERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A BOX-OFFICE THAT WAS STICKING OUT IN THE MIDDLE.

I TOTALLY GET WHAT CHARLIE WAS SAYING TOO THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE FRONT DOOR WAS SOMEWHAT AWKWARD.

I THINK IT WORKS MUCH BETTER TO HAVE IT ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. THAT'S ALL.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO APPRECIATE IT WHEN DESIGN PROFESSIONALS HAVE A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION, WHERE I'M ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, AND THE DESIGN MOVES ON TO SOMETHING THAT I THINK, BETTER MEETS WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT.

>> ALL RIGHT THEN. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CAN WE GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAD SOME GUESTS TODAY.

IS IT FIT FOR THEM TO COMMENT?

>> SORRY. THANK YOU, MARK, OR IF ANYONE ELSE WHO'S ON THE LINE WANTS TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I COULD HAVE DONE BETTER ON MY STAFF REPORT, BUT THERE IS A RECOMMENDED MOTION ON PAGE 4.

PEOPLE CAN FIND THAT.

>> THE RECOMMENDED MOTION WAS JUST APPROVED, WASN'T IT?

>> NO. THAT'S IN ONE PLACE AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A LONGER ONE ON PAGE 4.

YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO READ AND I DO THAT.

>> IS IT THE APPROVE THE FACADE? IS THAT THE ONE WANTING TO APPROVE THE SIGN DESIGN ENSURING THAT THE MOUNTING ONE?

>> YES.

>> THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FACADE DESIGN AS SUBMITTED BY THE ARCHITECT, THAT INCLUDES THE PLANS SENT AND DOCUMENTATIONS, AND TO APPROVED THE SIGN DESIGN ENSURING THAT THE MOUNTING DOES NOT IMPACT THE UPPER FACADES BESTOWS BREAK AND IS REGRESSIVELY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND.

>> THAT WAS A SECOND FROM CHARLIE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD LUCK ON YOUR OBVIOUS QUEST TO RENOVATE EVERY FACADE DOWNTOWN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS GENERAL BUSINESS AND THE APPOINTMENT OF A VICE CHAIR.

[A. Appointment of a Vice-Chair]

>> THANK YOU, CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD.

I WILL ANNOUNCE VERY QUICKLY THAT THE FORMER VICE CHAIRMAN JERRY MCLAUGHLIN HAS RESIGNED FROM THE COMMISSION, AND SO THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO APPOINT A VICE CHAIR IN CASE CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD IS UNABLE

[01:00:05]

TO MAKE A MEETING OR OTHERWISE NEEDS SOMEONE TO ASSIST HIM AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MANUAL.

THAT'S THE ITEM BEFORE YOU.

IT'S USUALLY VOLUNTEER BASED AND I WOULD HAND IT BACK TO YOU, CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL VOLUNTEER, JILL.

>> I DID OUR EXPERIMENT.

[LAUGHTER] I MESSED IT UP ONE TIME, [NOISE] I MIGHT AS WELL MESS IT UP MORE TIMES.

>> THE POINT IS YOU NEED MORE PRACTICE THAT'S THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YOU'RE SO PROFESSIONAL THOUGH I'D SAY.

I NEED TO HAVE A SCRIPT IN FRONT OF ME.

TELECOM. [OVERLAPPING].

>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, JILL?

>> YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

>> AS LONG AS YOU ACCEPT IT, I THINK WE CAN. [OVERLAPPING].

>> UNLESS CHARLIE OR EMILY, ARE SQUIRMING IN THEIR CHAIRS RIGHT NOW? HOW COME YOU DIDN'T TELL ME? HOW COME IT WASN'T ME?

>> YEAH. I WOULD SECOND THIS MOTION.

[OVERLAPPING].

>> OUR MOTION SAYS COMMISSIONER HAVE TO BE VICE CHAIR HOUGH. JILL, JUST ADD A SECOND.

>> THAT'S A SECOND, YEAH.

>> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS, JILL.

>> THANKS. I EXPECT A TROPHY OR SOMETHING.

>> I'D BE HAPPY, JILL, TO GO OVER OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES OF WHEN YOU'RE ACTING CHAIR WITH YOU IF YOU NEED ME TO AT SOME POINT.

>> THANK YOU, SARAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MENTORSHIP.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, I DO.

>> THANK YOU. WE ARE MOVING ON TO SOME REPORTS FROM MARK.

[7. REPORTS]

YOU GOT SOME APPROVALS AND CONSULTATIONS TO GIVE US SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON?

>> WAY TOO MANY ALTERNATIVE BURNS THROUGH THEM.

I'LL JUST TAKE NOTE OF DARK SKY BREWING.

YOU GIVE ME SOME LEVEL OF AUTHORITY WITH CERTIFICATES. NO EFFECT.

DARK SKY BREWING IS TAKING OVER THE RESTAURANT TO THE NORTH.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE OF BEING TOO LIGHT, IT'S GOING TO BE RATHER A VERY DARK SKY BRANDS.

YOU'LL SEE IF YOU TRUST MY JUDGMENT ON THAT ONE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE A NICE SIGN THAT'S A LITTLE LIT AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE DOWNTOWN.

>> IS THAT WHERE INDIA PALACES HAS MOVED OUT?

>> YES, AND DARK SKY BREWING IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THAT, PLUS THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A PATIO FENCED IN WITH PRETTY DIFFICULT THE RUSTED METAL FENCING TO ENCASE THE PATIO.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE ADDITION.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? KARL IS DOING THE HICKS ROOMING HOUSE.

AS IN THE HICK'S ROOMING HOUSE ITSELF IS BEING PRESERVED AND SOME LEVEL OF RESTORATION, AND THEN A NEW BUILDING THAT RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HICKS IS OFF TO THE EAST.

RATHER THE SUBSTANTIAL ADDITION AND IMPROVEMENT TO PHOENIX, HALF OF THEM, THE ORIGINAL ROUTE OF ROUTE 66.

>> MARK, CAN I CHIME IN ON THAT ONE?

>> YEAH, OF COURSE.

>> THAT LITTLE BUNGALOW ACTUALLY WAS MAY HICKS CARTERSON'S HOUSE.

>> YEAH. [LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S KIND OFF SAD BUT WHAT [INAUDIBLE] GUESS?

>> HE WILL HAVE TO DO A CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORT AND I HAVE MADE THE SUGGESTION.

THERE IS A SMALL BUILDING THAT IS PROPOSED AS A ONE STORY UNIT.

I HAVE RECOMMENDED TO KARL TO UTILIZE THAT SMALL LITTLE BUNGALOW AND MOVE IT TO BE THE ONE UNIT ASPECT IN THAT PROJECT.

SINCE IT IS IN THE FLOOD FRINGE, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED THE ABILITY TO MOVE STRUCTURES.

[01:05:01]

SO I'LL KEEP PUSHING KARL ON THAT ONE, A [INAUDIBLE] POTENTIAL REVIEW.

>> YEAH, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT COLLECTION OF HER STUFF AND SHE WAS MARRIED TO FRANK CURTIS, WHO WAS AN AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHER, WHO ACTUALLY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB DOCUMENTING THIS TO BE A FLAGSTAFF DURING THE EARLY, EARLY 1910S.

JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION, FRANK WAS DRAFTED INTO WORLD WAR 1 AND HE WAS ASSIGNED TO WORK IN THE PORTLAND, OREGON SHIPYARDS AND CONTRACTED INFLUENZA AND DIED, WITHOUT COMING BACK TO FLAGSTAFF.

SO IT'S FAIR TO YOUR JOB GROUPS, SHE HAD TO GO UP TO PORTLAND AND GET HIM.

>> ABBY, MY PRESERVATION HELPER, THAT IS WRAPPING UP HER WORK, SHE DID RESEARCH ON THAT AND THAT'S VERY MUCH NOTED IN THE UPDATED INVENTORY FORMS. I WILL KEEP PUSHING THAT ONE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MARK AND SARA, I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT PROJECT IS A FAMILY FRIEND, AND SO I THINK I SHOULD EXCUSE MYSELF FROM THAT ITEM WHEN IT DOES COME IN FRONT OF US.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT ME.

MARK, JEREMY, EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS YOU WANT TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION? [OVERLAPPING]

>> WELL, ACTUALLY IS ANYTHING THAT REALLY JUMPS OUT ON YOU.

WE HAD TWO LONG PRESENTATIONS.

AGAIN, IF WE MISS ONE MEETING THAT I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT I'M REVIEWING.

BELIEVE I'M TRACKING EVERYTHING.

UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES TO YOUR ATTENTION?

>> I DON'T THINK SO, WE SHOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF MISCELLANEOUS ITEM 2 FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.

OUR FIRST TIME IT WAS COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

[A. Commission appointments]

>> THAT'S MINE COMMISSIONER, CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD.

WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES ON THE COMMISSION.

WE HAVE ONE THAT IS PROFESSIONAL, ONE IS THE PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNER POSITION.

I HAVE CHECKED IN WITH THE CLERK TODAY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD THE PROFESSIONAL POSITION ONLY.

WE STILL DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH APPLICATIONS FOR THE HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNER TO MOVE FORWARD THAT APPOINTMENT.

SO I IMPLORE YOU, IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO WOULD HAVE ANY INTEREST IN JOINING THE COMMISSION, WHO IS THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S SIMPLY HAS TO BE 50 YEARS OR OLDER AND POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

WE'D GREATLY APPRECIATE GETTING SOME APPLICATIONS TO THE CLERK SO THAT WE CAN GET BOTH THOSE POSITIONS FILLED AND HAVE A FULL COMMISSION AVAILABLE, AND NOT RUN INTO ANY QUORUM ISSUES.

ONCE WE GET DOWN TO FIVE COMMISSIONERS, LIKE WE ARE CURRENTLY, THERE'S ALWAYS THE RISK THAT IF ANY TWO OF YOU ARE GONE THAT WE HAVE TO CANCEL.

PLEASE HELP US REACH OUT AND I'M WORKING TO SEE IF I CAN GET THE CLERK AND THE COUNCIL TO BE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROFESSIONAL POSITION?

>> SARA.

>> YES.

>> WHAT IS THE STATUS OF MY POSITION? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN RENEWED YET.

>> HAVE I? I DON'T KNOW.

YOU'VE REAPPLIED THOUGH, CORRECT?

>> YES. BECAUSE I WAS BROUGHT ON IN OCTOBER AND SO I APPLIED LAST OCTOBER.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STILL ALLOWED TO CONTINUE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FOUR YEARS NOW.

>> YOU ARE.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK YOU ACTUALLY ARE THE AT LARGE POSITION.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> I WAS THE PROFESSIONAL GROUP.

>> YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL POSITION AND IT'S HARRIS'S POSITION THAT HAS NOT BEEN FILLED EITHER.

>> OKAY.

>> I WILL TALK TO THE CLERK ABOUT REAPPOINTMENT FOR YOU AS WELL.

>> OKAY, THANKS.

>> THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

>> I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, HAVE THEM CONTACT ME AND I CAN FILL THEM IN.

I'VE DEFINITELY BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

[NOISE]

[01:10:01]

>> OKAY, THANK YOU GUYS.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT, FOR NOW,

[B. Continuing virtual meetings]

THE CITY CLERK HAS ASKED THAT ALL COMMISSIONS, EXCEPT FOR CITY COUNCIL, CONTINUE TO MEET VIRTUALLY.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN OUR PHASE 3 REOPENING PLANS.

CITY HALL IS NOT OPEN AFTER 1:00 PM, AND WE HAVE COMMISSION MEETINGS ALMOST EVERY NIGHT AND THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK ON OUR ALREADY LIMITED AND OVERSTRETCHED FACILITIES TEAM TO BE PROVIDING BUILDING SECURITY AFTER THE BUILDING HAS CLOSED EVERY EVENING.

WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO JUST CONTINUE TO MEET VIRTUALLY UNTIL WE'RE IN PHASE 4 AND WE'RE READY TO FULLY REOPEN CITY HALL.

THAT WAS ANOTHER UPDATE FROM THE CLERK THAT I BELIEVE I FORWARDED EVERYONE BY EMAIL, BUT I FIGURED WE'D GO OVER IT AGAIN AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

[BACKGROUND]

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THE ARIZONA HISTORY CONFERENCE IS COMING UP ON OCTOBER.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAINING AS WELL.

IT COULD JUST BE A ONE DAY TRAINING.

GUESS EVERYBODY RECEIVED THAT NOTICE?

>> YES, I BELIEVE I RECEIVED IT MARK.

>> I RECEIVED IT.

>> OKAY, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT THEN. WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH, EVERYONE.

ENJOY YOUR EVENING AND WE WILL ADJOURN BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 5:23 PM. GOODNIGHT EVERYONE.

>> THANK YOU EVERYONE.

>> THANKS EVERYONE. [NOISE]

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.