Oct 20, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission

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YOUR LIFE GO AHEAD.

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

AND WE WILL TAKE ROLL CALL.

DAVID HAYWARD, PRESENT, JILL HOUGH, PRESENT, EMILY DALE, PRESENT, CAITLIN KELLY, OH, CAITLIN, CAN YOU HEAR US? MY APOLOGIES, A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE, BUT YES, I CAN HEAR YOU AND I'M HERE PRESENT.

THANK YOU. AMY HORN IS DELAYED AND JOINING THE MEETING, BUT HAS AN EXCUSE.

SHELLI DIA, DID I SAY YOUR NAME RIGHT? IT'S DAY, BUT I AM PRESENT, YES.

COMMISSIONER DAY, CHARLES WEBBER, PRESENT.

THANK YOU, THAT'S ROLL CALL . CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD, I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE STILL HERE.

I WAS ON MUTE, BUT I'M JUST HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING YOU SARA.

OH, I'M SORRY. FAR FROM THE MICROPHONE.

OH, WE'RE IN A ROOM WHERE THE MICROPHONES OVER OUR HEAD.

BUT SO EVERYONE WAS PRESENT EXCEPT AMY HORN, WHO IS PLANNING TO JOIN THE MEETING A LITTLE LATER. OK.

ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT ITEM WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

[3. Public Comment At this time, any member of the public may address the Commission on any subject within their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the Commission on that day. Due to Open Meeting Laws, the Commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To address the Commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the Chair to call for Public Comment at the time the item is heard.]

HE ALLOWED ME WITH THAT.

EXCUSE ME, MARK, I THINK MR. WHITE'S COMMENT IS ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU NEED TO WAIT FOR THE AGENDA ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the Heritage Preservation Commission Regular Meeting held September 15, 2021.]

IF EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, CAN WE GET A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL? I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.

I'LL SECOND. IT WAS A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HOUGH AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY JUST BY THE BUZZER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY ITEMS TODAY, SO WE'LL MOVE STRAIGHT INTO GENERAL

[A. Introduction of New Commission Members Welcome Amy Horn and Shelli Dea to the Commission and provide introductions of Commissioners and Staff]

I THINK THAT'S THE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

THAT SOUNDS [INAUDIBLE].

DO YOU WANT TO? DO YOU WANT TO KICK US OFF FOR THIS? SURE, CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? JUST ABOUT.

SO WE HAVE HAD TWO NEW APPOINTMENTS ON OCTOBER 5TH TO THE COMMISSION.

OUR TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS ARE COMMISSIONER DEA, SHELLI DEA AND COMMISSIONER HORN, AND SO I WOULD GIVE THEM THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TURN ON CAMERAS AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.

AND YOU GUYS ALL CAN SAY HI TO EACH OTHER SINCE WE AREN'T MEETING IN PERSON YET.

SO I THINK IF AH COMMISSIONER HORN JOINS LATER, WE CAN ALWAYS JUMP BACK TO THIS ITEM.

MY NAME IS SHELLI DEA, I'VE LIVED IN FLAGSTAFF SINCE 2005 AND I CONSIDER IT A PRIVILEGE, AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO JOIN YOU ALL ON THIS COMMISSION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ME.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK UNTIL AMY ARRIVES, BUT SHOULD I SHARE ANYTHING ELSE OR.

I THINK YOU OWN A LOVELY, HISTORIC HOME, DON'T YOU? I DO. LOVELY HISTORIC HOME, WHICH IS MARK GOT TO INFORM ME, I DON'T KNOW, HE PROBABLY DOESN'T REMEMBER THIS, THAT IT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN SITE.

I THOUGHT WE WERE IN TOWN SITE, BUT WE DON'T QUITE QUALIFY.

SO YEP, I'M DOWNTOWN NEXT TO JOSEPHINE.

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WELL, WELCOME, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SHOW THEIR LOVELY FACES AND SAY, HI, YOU KNOW, WE SAW A CAITLIN BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.

HI, SHELLI, I'M JILL HOUGH, I THINK THIS IS MY LAST MEETING, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M RELOCATING OUTSIDE OF TOWN OUTSIDE OF STATE, BUT VERY NICE TO MEET YOU, AND I USED TO KIND OF LIVE KITTY CORNER FROM YOU IN THE GREEN DUPLEX RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM [INAUDIBLE]. HAVE I LIVED THERE FOR WHAT, FOUR YEARS? AND WE HAD A BABY THERE.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF GOT GOOD JUJU.

NICE. YEAH.

NICE TO MEET YOU. YOU, TOO.

I'M EMILY. PLEASED TO MEET YOU.

HI EMILY.

MY NAME IS CHARLIE. HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.

HI CHARLIE.

WE'LL GIVE AMY A CHANCE TO DO HER ROUND OF INTRODUCTIONS WHEN SHE'S ABLE TO JOIN US SINCE SHE WAS OUT OUT IN THE WORLD DOING OTHER THINGS FIRST TRYING TO GET BACK.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THIS ITEM? I DON'T SHELLI WELCOME OFFICIALLY.

WE DID GET THE FORTUITOUSLY THE CHANCE TO MEET JUST LAST SUNDAY BEFORE WE STARTED, SO THAT WAS NICE TO SEE YOU IN PERSON.

AND I HOPE WE CAN, AS A COMMISSION, LIVE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS AND THAT YOU'LL ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH US. I HAVE NO DOUBT.

SO WE WILL, IF AND WHEN AMY HORN JOINS US, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS ITEM AND SHE CAN INTRODUCE HERSELF.

OTHERWISE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PIECE OF WORK, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A VICE

[B. Appointment of a Vice-Chair Appoint a new Vice-Chair from the members of the Commission]

YES. SO I THINK WE JUST SADLY DID THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT YES, WE'LL NEED TO APPOINT A NEW VICE CHAIR TO START THEIR TERM NEXT MONTH.

OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT AND YES, WE'RE VERY SAD THAT JILL IS LEAVING THE COMMISSION, BUT VERY HAPPY FOR HER AND IAN WILL.

WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE HER AT THE END, UNDER MISCELLANEOUS TWO.

SO ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I WILL NOMINATE COMMISSIONER DALE IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT, EMILY.

I SECOND THAT NOMINATION.

JILL, YOU'RE LEAVING I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET A VOTE.

WELL, I'LL SECOND IT.

WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF VICE CHAIR? IT'S GREAT.WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF VICE CHAIR AGAIN? FILLING IN FOR WHEN DAVID IS GONE.

THAT'S IT, YEAH.

OH, OK, THAT'S NOT BAD, I COULD DO THAT.

OR WHOEVER THE CHAIR MIGHT BE AFTER ME, YEAH.

OK, THAT'S FINE, I CAN DO THAT.

OK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING COMMISSIONER DALE AS VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

EMILY, MY MY HEARTFELT CONGRATULATIONS.

THANKS. CONGRATULATIONS, VICE CHAIR DALE.

YEAH, SO EMILY DO YOU HAVE ANY WORDS YOU LIKE TO GIVE US AT THIS TIME OR.

THIS WILL LOOK GREAT ON MY RESUME.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

AND SO WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY PIECE FOR

[C. Overview of Section 106 process for the A-P Trestle north of Phoenix Avenue - Work Session Discussion only.]

AND MARK, DID YOU WANT TO START OFF WITH THAT STATEMENT FROM MR.

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WHITE, I BELIEVE YES.

THAT'S OK, MR. CHAIRMAN, HE ALLOWED ME TO PARAPHRASE IT.

HE SAID I SUPPORT AND WOULD LIKE TO HELP IN EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE MEMORY AND LOCATION OF THE MINERAL BELT TRESTLE, ALSO CALLED THE MINERAL BELT TRESTLE OVER THE RIO DE FLAG JUST EAST OF BEAVER AND SOUTH OF CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING PRESENT, BUT HOPE WE CAN KEEP THIS EFFORT ACTIVE.

THIS NOTE WILL BE BRIEF AND BULLETED AS A START.

HE PROVIDED HISTORIC INFORMATION THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO ME AND THEN JUST TO HE WRAPPED UP A LETTER FROM THE BULLET POINTS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY.

I HOPE WE CAN DEVELOP WAYS OF PRESERVING THIS PIECE OF EARLY FLAGSTAFF RAILROAD HISTORY WITH MORE THAN A PLAQUE.

PLAQUES ARE INFORMATIVE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE TOUCHING AND WALKING ON A REAL THING OR A REPLICA.

I BELIEVE THAT THE TRESTLE FALLS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC RAILROAD OVERLAY, HOWEVER OLD TOWN SPRINGS, OLD RAILROAD DEPOT, THE STEAM ENGINE AND THE TRESTLE PROVIDE A HISTORIC CONNECTION TO FLAGSTAFF RAILROAD HISTORY AND REALLY THE REASON FLAGSTAFF GOT ITS START.

I DO APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN.

I WILL GO THROUGH THE SECTION 106 PROCESS OF WHAT ITS CURRENT STATUS IS AND WHY ITS DEMISE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'LL JUST TELL JORDAN'S GOING TO RUN THIS, AND I'LL JUST TELL HIM TO GO NEXT EVERY TIME.

SO NEXT, PLEASE.

THAT'S ME NEXT.

SO IT'S THE ARIZONA MINERAL BELT, AS WELL AS THE ATLANTIC PACIFIC RAILROAD AP TRESTLE, IT'S BEEN ADAPTED TO KIND OF A UNIQUE TWO LANE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

NEXT, PLEASE. UM, IT IS REALLY KIND OF FASCINATING TO WALK OVER IT, TO EXPERIENCE IT.

IT DOES HAVE SOME CONDITION PROBLEMS. NEXT. AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE ARE A CONSULTING PARTY ON ALL SECTION 106 FEDERAL UNDERTAKINGS THAT TAKE PLACE.

THE PROCESS IS KNOWN AS SECTION 106.

IT'S HIDDEN IN FEDERAL REGISTER IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SECTION 106 OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT.

NEXT. CERTAINLY VERY EARLY ON WHEN I CAME TO FLAGSTAFF AS THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER, I REALLY DID LOOK AT THIS BUILDING.

I MEAN AT THIS STRUCTURE AND HOPE THAT IT COULD BE SAVED, IT BECAME A VERY MUCH EARLY PRIORITY FOR ME.

NEXT. IF YOU HAVEN'T WALKED OVER IT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE RIGHT STREET, THAT'S BEAVER AND THEN PHOENIX AND THEN YOU KNOW WHERE THE BUSSES ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN MIKE'S PIKE COMES INTO PLAY RIGHT THERE AT THE LOWER LEFT HAND SIDE.

NEXT, PLEASE.

SHOULD OF PUT A SUBHEADING IN, THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THE ARTISTS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, BUT IT'S JUST A PRETTY GOOD.

THERE'S AMY. WE JUST STARTED A PRESENTATION, AMY.

OH, GREAT. OK. NOT VERY FAR IN.

OK, THANKS. WELCOME REPRESENTATION OF THE NEW BUILDING OFF THAT ALMOST ABUTS MILTON.

AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REAL REALIGNMENT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH UNDERNEATH THE NEW BRIDGE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A CURVE OR RATHER DRAMATIC CURVE THAT GOES THROUGH THE BUS TRANSFER AREA AND THEN IT HEADS OVER TOWARD BEAVER STREET.

THAT KIND OF INDICATION OF A BRIDGE IS OF SORT OF WHERE THE CURRENT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IS AND ALSO THE WASH COMES IN UNDERNEATH MIKE'S PIKE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE REAL WILL NO LONGER FLOW RIGHT THERE.

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AMY, DO YOU MIND JUST MUTING YOUR MICROPHONE.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU. NEXT, PLEASE.

LOOK, THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER IS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF PLANNING ALL THE WAY FROM ART TO GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY.

WE HAVE THE BUILDING, THE PLAZA.

THE BUSSES ARE CIVIC SPACE, THE RIO AND THEN A DESIRE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

NEXT. BUT AGAIN, THEY JUST KIND OF OVERLAID THE PARKING.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT, SARA PROBABLY KNOWS ABOUT THAT MORE THAN I DO, NEXT.

UM, I ACTUALLY KIND OF FEEL FORTUNATE THAT THE CONSULTANT FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT IS HEADING THIS PROJECT DID FEEL THAT THE BRIDGE HAD ENOUGH INTEGRITY THAT NOT ENOUGH COMPONENTS HAD BEEN REPLACED.

IT STILL WAS IN A PRIME LOCATION FOR A HISTORIC RESOURCE.

AND AS SUCH BY ITS DESTRUCTION, DOES ALLOW MITIGATION TO TAKE PLACE UNDER THE SECTION 106 PROCESS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU'VE GOT CREOSOTE OTHER MATERIALS, PRESSURE TREATED MATERIALS THAT HAVE A POTENTIAL TO BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

NEXT. OH, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BRIDGE, BUT ALSO BEING IMPACTED AS THIS KIND OF UNIQUE LOADING PLATFORM THAT'S RIGHT SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD DEPOT. SO IT MAKES THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE RAILS, HOW THEY UNLOADED CARGO AND THEN THE WAREHOUSES THAT ARE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.

SO THIS IS ALSO IDENTIFIED BY THE ARMY CORPS AS AN IMPACTED RESOURCE.

IT IS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.

NEXT. THE BACK ONE.

SO THERE IT IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WAREHOUSES THAT WERE THAT ARE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT LEADS INTO THE BRIDGE, YOU'RE LOOKING WEST THAT WILL GO AWAY AGAIN BY THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT OF PLACING THE RAIL IN A VERY LARGE CULVERT UNDERNEATH THIS AREA.

NEXT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT OF 1966.

IT WAS INTENDED TO PRESERVE HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.

IT OFFICIALLY CREATED THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, AS WELL AS NATIONAL LANDMARKS. AND AGAIN, IN THOSE SECTIONS, 106 WAS THE PROCESS THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FUNDED, LICENSED, TOUCHED A PROJECT, IN SOME WAY, IT'S CALLED AN UNDERTAKING, AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW.

NEXT. SO THE BASIS OF SECTION 106 IS FOUR STEPS YOU INITIALIZE CONSULTATION WITH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.

THERE IS IDENTIFICATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

THERE'S AN ASSESSMENT OF ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM AVOIDANCE TO ACTUALLY DESTROYING THE RESOURCE. AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF IMPACT, A RESOLUTION OF ADVERSE EFFECTS.

IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT, THERE'S A LARGER, LONGER PROCESS THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH ON THIS. YOU END UP WITH A CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORTS AND OFTEN PHOTO DOCUMENTATION.

I'M KIND OF A MAJOR BELIEVER OF TRYING TO GET BENEFICIAL MITIGATION THAT RETURNS THE LOST VALUE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT TENDS TO HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT BUILDS ON OUR HISTORY. SO I ALWAYS SAY JUST DON'T LET THE REPORT SIT ON A SHELF, TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE WITH IT.

NEXT.

MARK, QUESTION FOR YOU WHO INITIATES AND DOES THAT GO, IS THAT SOMEONE COMING TO YOU OR SOMEONE GOING STRAIGHT TO SHPO? THEY GO TO SHPO.

IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION.

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IT GETS A LITTLE MIXED UP ALONG THE WAY.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS QUITE CLEAR THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WAS THE FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WAS DOING THE UNDERTAKING.

THEY DID CALL SHPO AND THEN AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE'RE KIND OF THE EYES AND EARS OF SHPO AND CLG'S ARE ALWAYS ONE OF THOSE CONSULTING PARTIES.

ANYBODY CAN BE A CONSULTING PARTY IF THEY WISH.

YOU JUST SIMPLY HAVE TO ADD YOUR NAME TO THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, IT IS FAIRLY COMPLEX AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH.

SO MITIGATION, AGAIN, THAT'S ALWAYS HARD TO EXPLAIN.

BUT THE POINT IS YOU SEEK WAYS TO FIRST AVOID THE RESOURCE WHICH WAS DONE, MINIMIZE THE ADVERSE EFFECT OR IF IT IS AN ADVERSE EFFECT SUCH AS TOTAL DESTRUCTION, MITIGATE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS.

SO AGAIN, FIND A WAY TO RETURN THE LOST VALUE OF THE RESOURCE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALWAYS CALL THAT CREATIVE MITIGATION.

NEXT, PLEASE. WELL, THIS ONE, LIKE ALL SECTION 106, STARTED OUT WHERE SHPO AND ARMY CORPS WANTED A PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.

AND THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE IN AN MOA.

I MEAN, IN A PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE FEDS AND SHPO AND ARMY CORPS, THEY WANTED IT TO END UP BEING A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. SO I HAD WORKED OUT VERY SPECIFIC STIPULATIONS ON MITIGATION, AND IT CAME TO A MORE GENERAL APPROACH WITH THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

NEXT, PLEASE. SO STILL LOCKED IN THERE IS THAT THERE WILL BE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE AP RAILROAD FLAGSTAFF'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GREW AROUND THE TRAIN DEPOT SHALL WITHIN ONE YEAR FOLLOWING THE EXECUTION OF THE MOA, OR AS AGREED TO BY CONSULTATION, PROVIDE OR TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN HAVING DEVELOPED THE EQUIVALENT TO THE FOLLOWING, WHICH IS THAT MITIGATION.

NEXT, PLEASE.

AGAIN, THIS LANGUAGE GETS, YOU KNOW, HEAVY A LOT OF WHEREAS' ALONG THE WAY.

NEXT. SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH THOSE RESOURCES, THE ATLANTIC PACIFIC OR MINERAL BELT TRESTLE, AS WELL AS THAT LOADING DOCK.

NEXT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS STORM WATER PROJECT NOT ONLY CHANNELIZING THE RIO ALSO HAS A LINK TO PULLING WATER OUT OF THE RAILROAD EDITION.

THE AREA OF A LOT OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE HARMED BY FLOODWATERS.

NEXT. MARK, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT, IS THAT, I MEAN CAN THAT BE CONSIDERED MITIGATION IN THAT IT'S OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC TO THE RESOURCE THAT'S IDENTIFIED, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT SAVES SIX PROPERTIES BUT DESTROYS ONE.

DOES THAT KIND OF WOULD THAT COUNT OR DOES IT ONLY MATTER ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S BEING DESTROYED? IT'S A POSITIVE THING, BUT IT'S USUALLY THAT APE THAT SAYS HERE IT'S AREA OF POTENTIAL EFFECT.

THEY KIND OF DRAW THE BOUNDARY AROUND IT.

BUT THERE IS A REALIZATION ON THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE THAT SWEEPING ARCH THROUGH THE BUS LOADING AREA AND THE WASH THAT'S COMING UP MIGHT SPIKE, AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE NORTH.

SO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY AVOID THAT TRESTLE.

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EVERYTHING LINKS RIGHT THERE, PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THEY REPLACED THE BRIDGE AND THE PILE OF DIRT, YOU'RE SEEING THE EXTENT OF EXCAVATION THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

IT'S THERE. SO DID THAT KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, THANK YOU.

OKAY. THEY HAVE KIND OF PUT IN THIS HISTORIC AMERICAN ENGINEERING RECORD DOCUMENTATION.

THEY'VE NOTED INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE.

AND AGAIN, ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING.

THESE ARE ALL KIND OF TYPICAL TYPE THINGS.

BUT STILL, ITEM B IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT CAN TAKE PLACE.

NEXT. BECAUSE IT SHIFTED TO AN MOA AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, WORKING WITH THE ARTISTS AND ALSO COMMENTING ON THE DESIGN, I FELT IT WAS A BETTER SITUATION THAN PUTTING IT OUT ON A STREET CORNER WITH, SAY, ON BEAVER IN SAN FRANCISCO, BUT INTEGRATING IT INTO THE AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER THAT HAS A CIVIC SPACE, LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

AND WHAT I CAME UP WITH WAS THEY ARE REPLACING THAT ROUTE 66 BRIDGE, EVEN THOUGH ADOT DIDN'T SAY IT WAS HISTORIC.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY RECREATING THE RAILING THERE.

NEXT, PLEASE. SO WORKING WITH THE ARTISTS, THEY DID NOTE NUMBER 14 IS THAT RAILING, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR INTERPRETATION.

AS WELL AS KIND OF DOING MORE OF AN ARTISTIC APPROACH TO INTERPRETATION.

AGAIN, THE ARTISTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS ARE REALLY CREATIVE AND THEY HAD KIND OF LINKED THIS TO DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERPRETIVE THAN JUST PLAQUES, NEXT.

SO THAT'S, I ASSUME, IS DESTROYED RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS BEING RECREATED, NEXT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN HERE AT THE RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS.

AGAIN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERPRET ROUTE 66 ALONG WITH THE OTHER THINGS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED, THE RIO IS DRY RIGHT HERE, SO IT'S ONLY HANDLING LOCAL STORM WATER RUNOFF.

AT THIS POINT, IT'S NO LONGER THE RIO IT HEADS TO THE EAST AND PARALLELS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. NEXT.

THAT IS THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THE RECREATION OF THAT CONCRETE RAILING, WHICH I THINK IS VERY MUCH ROUTE 66 LIKE.

AND THEN I DID SOME QUICK CONCEPTS ON SOME MOUNTING BRACKETS THAT COULD MOUNT THE INTERPRETIVE PLAQUES AS WELL AS KIND OF ARTISTIC INTERPRETATION.

AND WE HOPE TO GET INVOLVED THE ARTS COMMISSION AND FIND LOCAL PEOPLE TO PROVIDE INPUT INTO THIS. AGAIN, I HAVE TO GO GO THROUGH A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

NEXT. OF DR.

GUTHRIE PRODUCED THIS HAND LOGO MORE OF A SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT TOOK PLACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE AN ARTISTIC APPROACH TO THAT INTERPRETATION THAT IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST BORING PLAQUES.

NEXT. SO PER SECTION 106 PROCESS, THE AGENCY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THE RESOURCE WOULD BE REMOVED AND COULD NOT BE AVOIDED, AND PER THE PROCESS, THAT APPROPRIATE MITIGATION WAS AGREED UPON WITH ARIZONA'S SHPO IN A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT FLAGSTAFF CLG WAS A SIGNATORY TOO.

ANY QUESTIONS OR I DO FEEL BAD ABOUT THE LOSS OF IT, I DID TRY MY BEST SO.

I HAVE A QUESTION. YES.

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CONTAMINATION, NO FUNDING TO BRING IT UP INTACT AND PLACE IT SOMEWHERE AND REINSTALL IT.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY ATTEMPT ON THE LARGE TIMBER MEMBERS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE BOLTS, THE NAILS, THE SPLINTERS, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU USUALLY WANT TO TRY TO SAVE A COMPONENT.

BUT CONSIDERING THE CURRENT CONDITION AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE SOAKED IN POTENTIAL CONTAMINANTS, I THINK THE ONLY OPTION IS TO PULL IT OUT AND HAVE IT PROPERLY DISPOSED OF BECAUSE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A MONETARY MEANS TO DO THAT UNLESS FOR SOME REASON THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER HAS THE MONEY TO DO THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS ARMY CORPS ENGINEERS, THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO SPENDING NO FUNDS ON PRESERVING THAT STRUCTURE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT'S KIND OF THE SHORT COURSE ON SECTION 106. THAT TENDS TO BE MY OBLIGATION AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.

I WOULD CERTAINLY BRING THE COMMISSION ON BOARD FOR OTHER PROJECTS IF I FEEL IT'S NECESSARY.

WELL, MARK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID ON THIS, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT WE CAN'T SEE IT REUSED.

BUT YOU KNOW, YOU WIN SOME, YOU LOSE SOME.

AND YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO PUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORT INTO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME WINS IN THE FUTURE.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARK ON THIS ITEM? AH CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD, COULD I HAVE, COULD I OFFER A LITTLE COMMISSIONER TRAINING FOR A MOMENT FOR NEW MEMBERS? YES. SO NORMALLY AN ITEM LIKE THIS SHOWS UP UNDER CONSULTATIONS, UNDER THE REPORT SECTION OF OUR AGENDA.

AND WHAT MARK USUALLY WHAT HE WAS PUTTING IN ON THIS PROJECT BACK IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY WAS KIND OF A BRIEF LITTLE UPDATE THERE, LIKE A SENTENCE OR TWO.

THE REASON WE BROUGHT THIS ONE BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THE CONTEXT OF IT IS THAT WE HAD A PUBLIC REQUEST TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE THAT WE'RE LOSING FOR A VERY BIG, GENERATIONALLY IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS THIS RECORD THAT ANYBODY COULD ACCESS AND THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THEY WERE UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PROCESS.

BUT AS MARK SAID, SECTION 106 CONSULTATIONS DO NOT COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR A DECISION.

BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE REPORT SECTION, THE COMMISSION CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AND YOU SAY, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THAT 106 ITEM, YOU CAN EITHER DO THAT DURING THE REPORTS OR AT THE END IN MISCELLANEOUS TWO FROM.

SO THAT IS MY FAST AGENDA, COMMISSIONER TRAINING FOR NEW FOLKS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAYWARD, THIS IS AMY, AND I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.

SURE, AMY, BUT DO YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE GROUP FIRST? WE MISSED THAT PART AND I'M SURE EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS ANSWERING ASKING THE QUESTIONS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

MY NAME IS AMY HORN.

I'M CURRENTLY A SUPERVISORY ARCHEOLOGIST AT THE MUSEUM OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.

I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AND I ALSO SPENT TIME WORKING FOR THE PARK SERVICE AND WORKED A LITTLE BIT WITH HISTORIC PROPERTIES OTHER THAN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES AND QUITE A BIT WITH THE 106 PROCESS WHEN I WAS IN THAT PARK SERVICE POSITION.

AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO JOIN THE COMMISSION AND LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY TOWN RELATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HORN.

WE'RE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEONE OF YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE JOIN US.

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I WILL SHOW YOU MY WELL, LET'S DO, SHALL WE DO WHAT WE DID BEFORE? AS AWKWARD AS IT WAS, I'LL SHOW YOU MY FACE, DAVID HAYWARD, THE COMMISSION CHAIR.

I AM PRIMARILY I HAVE LOTS OF HATS, BUT PRIMARILY A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER HERE IN TOWN WITH A WHO HAS A FOCUS ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.

GREAT. PERHAPS OUR NEW VICE CHAIR SHOULD GO NEXT.

THIS IS, YOUR FIRST OFFICIAL ACTION EMILY.

WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT EMILY.

EMILY YOU WERE ON MUTE.

[INAUDIBLE] HI, I'M EMILY, I'M A HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGIST.

I WORK AT NAU.

HI AMY, I'M CHARLIE, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

CURRENTLY, THE SOUTH ZONE ARCHEOLOGIST ON THE KAIBAB NATIONAL FOREST.

HEY, AMY, THIS IS JILL.

I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW ME, SUPER THRILLED THAT YOU'RE NEW COMMISSIONER, AND WE'RE PRETTY HEAVY ON ARCHEOLOGISTS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT? SO WELCOME AND YOU'RE IN FOR A REAL TREAT.

HI, AMY. WE MET VIA THIS FORMAT, I GUESS, RECENTLY, I'M THE OTHER NEW COMMISSIONER, SHELLI AND I LOOK FORWARD TO [INAUDIBLE] HI SHELLI.

CAN EVERYONE SEE ME AND HEAR ME? YES. OK.

HI, SHELLI AND HI AMY.

WELCOME. MY NAME IS CAITLIN, MY I'M INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE HERE IN FLAGSTAFF AND I ALSO OWN A DOWNTOWN HOME.

SO I CAME ON THE COMMISSION TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

WELCOME, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING WITH.

.. THAT WAS EVERYONE, BUT I REMEMBER THAT COMMISSIONER HORN HAD A QUESTION TOO.

THAT WAS EVERYONE, AND YES, AMY, IF YOU'D LIKE GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THIS IS FOR MARK, IF THERE WERE ANY MITIGATION MEASURES FOR THE LOADING THAT LOADING PLATFORM THAT WAS ALSO GOING TO BE IMPACTED OR IF IT WAS DIDN'T HAVE SUFFICIENT INTEGRITY OR SIGNIFICANCE FOR THAT IT YEAH.

COMMISSIONER HAYWARD OR CHAIRMAN HAYWARD, COMMISSIONER HORN, IT WAS KIND OF ROLLED IN ALL INTO ONE AS BEING AN ADVERSE EFFECT FROM THE RIO PROJECT.

THEY DID NOTE THOSE LOCATIONS OF BOTH THE TRESTLE AND THE LOADING PLATFORM, AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF RAIL SYSTEM, SOUTH SIDE DISTRICT AND THAT TYPE OF BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF FLAGSTAFF, THAT'S KIND OF ALL ROLLED INTO ONE OF WHAT THE INTERPRETATION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT.

SO THEY DID DO A TOTAL SURVEY OF THE AREA OF POTENTIAL EFFECT AND THEN THEY DID NOTE THOSE TWO THAT WERE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

SO ONE MITIGATION MEASURE THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET IT DONE.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR IF WE'D STAYED WITH THE PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT.

BUT NOW IT'S KIND OF IN MY WORLD, WHICH I THINK IT MIGHT TURN OUT BETTER.

OK, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARK ON THIS ITEM? OR FOR CHRISTINE CAMERON IS ON THE LINE WITH US.

SHE IS THE ENGINEERING PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE RED FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT FROM THE CITY. SHE'S GRACIOUSLY JOINED US IN CASE ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER EITHER, SO YOU FEEL FREE TO ASK THOSE.

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[7. REPORTS]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS.

I GUESS PROBABLY NUMBER TWO, SCA PAPER.

REMEMBER, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT ON GETTING RECREATION AND A PHASE ONE REPORT AND ALSO A MITIGATION PRODUCT OUT OF THEM.

AND THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THE DEMOLITION PERMIT OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN AN ACRE AND A HALF OF VOLUME.

OR AREA? KIND OF INTERESTING THAT BARNES AND NOBLE IS TURNING INTO A GOODWILL STORE.

UM ANY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, STILL WORKING ON CONSULTATION ON 302 WEST OAK STREET, THE MORTUARY.

THAT'S LOOKING AT DEVELOPING BUNGALOWS IN THAT AREA, TRYING TO END UP WITH COMPLIANCE ON THAT. THAT WILL PROBABLY COME YOUR WAY NEXT MEETING.

AND MARK, WE HAD A COMMENT FROM JOE AND A QUESTION FROM EMILY.

YEAH, JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I WAS BY THE SCA SITE, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH LEVELED AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU. OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHEN IS THE BARNES AND NOBLE BECOMING A GOODWILL? IT'S GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS.

IT'S GOING TO FLOW THROUGH PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO I JUST I DRIVE BY IT EVERY TIME.

SO I JUST THINK THAT'S KIND OF A BIG SOCIETAL SHIFT SO.

WHENEVER PLANNERS SEE AN APPLICATION FOR A CONCEPT PLAN OR SITE PLAN, WE ASK OURSELVES WHEN ALL THE TIME.

BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S LONG DELAYS BETWEEN PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THOSE KINDS OF PLAN REVIEWS AND ACTUALLY GETTING TO CONSTRUCTION SO.

AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT ALL.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN IN TOWN FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT BARNES AND NOBLE WAS QUITE A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

THERE WAS SOME CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE THAT WENT DOWN.

THE ANTI-BIG BOX BOOKSTORE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THE PREMISE WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO IMPACT THE LOCAL [INAUDIBLE] BOOKSTORE DOWNTOWN, WHICH HAD ITS OWN STORY, BUT IT'S INTERESTING. IT'S KIND OF JUST DESSERTS FOR BARNES & NOBLE AND, YOU KNOW, GOODWILL IS COMING IN ITS PLACE, SO THERE YOU GO.

AH MARK, CAN YOU TELL US THE YOU SAID THE MORTUARY, WE'LL SEE IT LATER, BUT IS THAT A DEMOLITION OF THAT STRUCTURE AND REPLACEMENT WITH NEW STRUCTURE? OR ARE THEY ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE OLD STRUCTURE INTO THE PROJECT? NO, IT'S A DEMOLITION, THEN IT IS OWNED BY A NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTH.

WHEN THEY WERE BUYING UP A LOT OF PROPERTIES, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE CAMPUS AT THAT LOCATION. IT'S NOW SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH.

SO THOSE PROPERTIES, A LOT OF SMALL HOUSES HAVE BEEN PICKED UP AND ARE BEING REHABBED.

I'VE WORKED WITH SOME PEOPLE THERE, BUT IT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS THAT CAME THROUGH.

SO I'M STILL TRYING TO END UP WITH A COMPLETE REPORT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK I UPDATED YOU ON THAT, THAT THEY DID THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT WITHOUT MY REVIEWS OF PHASE TWO FULL CULTURAL RESOURCE [INAUDIBLE] ISN'T POSSIBLE ON THAT SITE.

BUT I WILL HAVE A REPORT PREPARED FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, MARK, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS?

[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]

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MARK SARA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US IN THIS CATEGORY? I DO THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN HAYWARD, I HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE LIAISON TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ABOUT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING TIME FOR OUR COMMISSION.

SO AS YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IS THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. THERE ARE SOME FAIRLY IMPORTANT THINGS GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER, INCLUDING A MAJOR PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN, WHICH HAS A STRICT STATUTORY TIMELINE THROUGH WHICH NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AND THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO GATHER A QUORUM ON THE 24TH.

SO THE REQUEST THAT CAME TO ME FROM THE LIAISON ALEXANDER PETRELLI WAS IF WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THEM MEETING ON THE 17TH BY MOVING UP OUR MEETING TIME TO AN EARLIER TIME, LIKE THREE O'CLOCK ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, OR IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO SWAP WEDNESDAYS AND HAVE OUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 24TH AND ALLOW THEM TO MEET ON NOVEMBER 17TH.

I SHOULD SAY THAT I'M THE I AM THE ONE HELPING PROCESS THE APPLICATION FOR THE MAJOR PLAN LIMIT, AS THAT'S A DIFFERENT ROLE THAT FALLS WITHIN OUR STAFF.

AND SO YOU WILL ALSO BE HELPING ME AND JORDAN AND THE REST OF THE STAFF KIND OF MANAGE A DIFFICULT WORKLOAD IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

BUT IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, WE'LL WORK ON SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET WE HAVE TO GET A DATE DOWN THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO ADVERTISE THE HEARINGS IN A TIMELY FASHION.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, COULD WE MEET AT 3:00 P.M.

ON NOVEMBER 17TH OR AT OR I'M SORRY, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE P.M.

ON NOVEMBER 17TH? OR COULD WE MEET ON 4:00 P.M.

ON THE 24TH? OF COURSE VIRTUALLY, WHICH WOULD BE THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AND ALSO, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE, MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS BY ROLL CALL AND SAY, YES, THAT WORKS FOR ME OR NO, IT DOESN'T.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER DAY. MY PREFERENCE WOULD DEFINITELY BE TO KEEP IT TO THE 17TH AND JUST MOVE IT EARLIER.

I'D BE TRAVELING ON THE 24TH, AND THAT WOULD BE.

AND I IMAGINE OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE IN THE SAME POSITION AND THEN WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A QUORUM SO. I'M FINE WITH EITHER.

YEAH, THIS IS CHARLIE, I COULDN'T MAKE AN EARLIER MEETING ON THE 17TH, BUT I COULD DO THE VIRTUAL MEETING ON A 24.

DID YOU SAY YOU COULD NOT DO THE 17TH OR YOU COULD? I COULDN'T DO THE EARLIER TIME ON THE 17TH BECAUSE OF OTHER MEETINGS.

OK, THANK YOU.

I I CAN DO THE EARLIER TIME ON THE 17TH, AND THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, THOUGH AT A STRETCH, I COULD MAKE THE 24TH WORK.

THIS IS CAITLIN, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE 17TH AS WELL, BUT I CAN MAKE THE TWENTY FOURTH WORK TO. THIS IS AMY.

I COULDN'T MAKE EITHER ONE OF THOSE WORK, BUT WOULD PREFER EARLIER ON THE 17TH.

WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM FOR EARLIER ON THE 17TH OR FOR THE 24TH, SO CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD YOU WANT TO SELECT AND I'LL MAKE SURE WE ADVERTISE THE CHANGE IN TIME ON THE WEBSITE AND THROUGH OTHER MEANS.

YES, LET'S DO EARLIER ON THE 17TH AND CHARLIE GETS A MONTH OFF.

SO YOU GET BETTER BE PREPARED FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING CHARLIE.

YOU'LL BE THE TO DOUBLE THE WORKLOAD.

DOUBLE THE WORKLOAD, YEAH.

IS 2 P.M.

TOO EARLY OR THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE, RIGHT? I'LL BECAUSE I'LL PUT IT DOWN AT 2 P.M.

AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD START AT FOUR.

THANKS. CAN ANYONE ANYONE SPEAK UP IF 2:00 P.M.

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I CAN MAKE IT 2:30.

HOW'S THAT? THAT GETS YOU A LITTLE TIME.

OK, YEAH. THE EARLIER, THE BETTER.

BUT IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT STRICT.

WE ARE MAKING A KIND OF COMBINATION FOR OTHER CITY BUSINESS, SO WE CAN WE CAN BE REASONABLE THERE, FOR SURE.

AWESOME, I WILL LET ALEXANDRA KNOW THAT WE CAN MEET AT 2:30 ON THE 17TH AND SHE CAN PLAN FOR A FOUR HOUR 4:30 OR PROBABLY A 4:30 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.

SO THAT WAS MY MAIN TWO FROM THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER HOUGH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING WITH US.

YOU'LL BE BUSY MOVING ON THE 17TH.

BUT WE DID HAVE LUNCH TODAY.

AND CHAIRPERSON HAYWARD AND I DID GIVE COMMISSIONER HOUGH A GIFT OF FAREWELL.

AND I WONDER IF, SINCE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT, IF YOU'D COME ON CAMERA AND SHOW THEM THE PLAGUE WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL, I LOVE IT.

CAN YOU GUYS SEE IT? I WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU GET THE PHOTO BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T YOUR SITE, YOUR SOURCE.

IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE OF THE MOTEL.

I WAS GOING TO SAY STEALING FROM THE WEB, I GOT IT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

I WILL HANG IT UP IN MY NEW HOME HOUSE TO BE, HOPEFULLY.

KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED IN THAT SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO, WHICH IS WHERE I'M HEADED.

MY HUSBAND GOT A FABULOUS PROMOTION WITHIN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

THIS IS THE DREAM JOB AND THIS WILL LIKELY BE HIS LAST JOB BEFORE RETIREMENT.

BUT HE'S STILL RETIREMENT IS STILL ON THE HORIZON FOR HIM SINCE HE'S SO MUCH YOUNGER THAN I AM, BUT I'M OFFICIALLY, MY TENURE AT THE PIONEER MUSEUM ENDS NEXT FRIDAY, SO OCTOBER 29TH IS MY LAST DAY THERE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THIS FRIDAY, IT'S KIND OF AN AWKWARD TIME, FOUR TO SIX P.M.

WILL BE WE'RE REVIVING OUR NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM AND SARA TOLD ME THAT I CAN ADVERTISE THIS. IT'S A FREE EVENT.

I RECENTLY CONDUCTED AN ORAL HISTORY WITH SOME OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE FLAGSTAFF DISC GOLF CLUB, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.

SO THE NIGHT OF THE MUSEUM IS GOING TO BE A PITCH AND PUTT.

A COUPLE OF HOLES, OBJECT COURSE, AT PIONEER MUSEUM AND THEN A HISTORY TALK THANKS TO THESE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE CLUB.

THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE ABOUT A FORTY-FORTY FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION ON JUST GENERALLY THE HISTORY OF DISC GOLF AND THE HISTORY OF DISC GOLF IN FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FREE EVENT.

IT WILL BE STARTING AT 4:00 WITH THE GAME PLAYING AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT THE PRESENTATION WILL START AT FIVE.

JILL, I MIGHT NOT BRING MY ONE YEAR OLD TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THE REST OF US, INCLUDING SOME OF MY EXTENDED FAMILY, WILL BE THERE SO.

COOL. WISH YOU WELL YOU'RE NEIGHBORS.

SO YOU CAN. WE ARE, WE CAN WALK RIGHT OVER.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, JILL, FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, IT DOES MEAN A LOT FOR PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE SKILLED IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

YOU BET. IT'S BEEN FUN AND IT HASN'T BEEN WITHOUT ITS FRUSTRATIONS, BUT I WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SERVE. AND YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME.

WE HAD A. YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT COMMISSION HERE.

THE BEST OF LUCK TO YOU FROM HERE ON OUT.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T BELIEVE STAFF HAS ANYTHING ELSE, DO ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING FORWARD? I WAS WONDERING IF WE HAD ANY UPDATES ON THE 122 EAST BUTLER PROPERTY AND THOSE VARIOUS OTHER NUMBERED PROPERTIES IN THAT PROJECT WHERE WE HAD SENT THAT LETTER TO A COUNCIL.

MY LAST UPDATE ON THAT WAS THAT COUNCIL HAD RETURNED AN ANSWER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF WHAT THEY WERE AND WERE NOT WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON, AND THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS STOPPED AT

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I HAVEN'T SEEN A NEW SITE PLAN OR CONCEPT PLAN FOR WHAT MIGHT GO ON THAT SITE IN THE FUTURE SO.

I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING EITHER FROM THE DEVELOPER.

OK, THANKS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.

WE WILL ADJOURN BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 5:01 P.M..

AND JILL, THANK YOU AGAIN AND YOU'LL BE MISSED.

THANKS SO MUCH, GUYS. HAPPY TRAILS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.