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ANYWAY, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE FLAGSTAFF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR 11/24 BUT CHANGED TO TODAY 11/17/2021.>> ALEX MARTINEZ, RICARDO GUTHRIE AND MARIE JONES ARE ALL EXCUSED.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the Heritage Preservation Commission Regular Meeting held October 20, 2021.]
THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE COMMISSION ON THAT DAY.DO THE OPEN MEETING LAWS THE COMMISSION GOING TO DISCUSS OR ACRONYMS PRESENTED DURING THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
PLEASE WAIT FOR THE CHAIR TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME OR AT THE TIME THAT ITEM IS HEARD.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. HEARING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF
[A. Certificate of Appropriates Downtown Overlay - Headlines Salon Window Replacement PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 113 E Aspen Ave Assessor's Parcel Number: 101-21-017 Property Owner: Sandra Tann Applicant: Tesano Contracting City Staff: Mark Reavis Heritage Preservation Officer REQUESTED ACTION: Certificate of Appropriateness for Window Replacement. Note that window have been pre-purchased. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Continue the HPC review to a date certain and ask the applicant to come back with a modified proposal that meets Downtown Design Review Requirements working with the HPO for compliance. ]
THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2021.>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2021 AS WRITTEN.
>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAUL. I'LL SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER MANDINO, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PAUL.
YOU WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 10TH, 2021 PASSES.
THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 2 ON THE CARBON NEUTRALITY MAJOR REGIONAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEY ASSUME STAFF HAS PREPARED WITH A PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR ZIMMERMAN.
THIS IS SARAH DECHTER, THE COMPREHENSIVE AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
AS THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING, IN THE FIRST HEARING, WE COVERED THE PROPOSAL, ALL OF THE FINDINGS AND PREVIEWED THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK ALL THERE IS TO DO IS CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN HAVE THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION.
I WILL ADD TO THAT AND MAYBE JENNY MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME TO THIS THAT ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT AS IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION.
JENNY HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE WHO HAD REQUESTED TO REMOVE SOME LANGUAGE FROM E&C 3.6 AND CHANGE AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL TONIGHT.
I'LL LET JENNY SUMMARIZE WHAT SHE AND COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SARAH AND THANKS CHAIR ZIMMERMAN.
YOU ALL MAY RECALL THAT AT THE OCTOBER 27TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD THE CITIZENS REVIEW AND WHERE I PRESENTED ON THIS AMENDMENT.
ONE OF OUR EQUITY POLICIES SAYS IT'S WORDED AS ATTEMPT TO DISTRIBUTE ON.
I'M GOING TO PULL THE EXACT WORDING.
IT SAYS ATTEMPT TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE THE BURDENS AND BENEFITS OF CLIMATE ACTION POLICIES AND INVESTMENTS TO ALL SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE IT IS. THANK YOU, SARAH.
THIS IS A NEW POLICY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING UNDER GOAL 3.
AS SARAH TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, THIS IS A NEW ROUND FOR BOTH THE CLIMATE CHANGE PAGES AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE REGIONAL PLAN.
IN THAT, THE ORIGINAL POINT DOESN'T DISCUSS EQUITY A TON.
CLIMATE AND EQUITY ARE INTRICATELY TIED.
WE HAVE ADDED EQUITY TO THE GOAL AND THEN WE ADDED THESE TWO POLICIES TO REALLY TALK
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FIRST ABOUT RESILIENCE AND THE ABILITY OF OUR VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ADAPT AND TO THRIVE.THEN ALSO THE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF BOTH THE BURDENS AND BENEFITS OF CLIMATE ACTION POLICIES.
COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE AT THAT COMMISSION MEETING SAID.
''WHY IS THIS ATTEMPT TO? WHY IS IT A JUST EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE?'' IT WAS REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
THE REASON AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT IS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T AN ISSUE MAINLY FOR THE WORLD'S POOR, IT'S CERTAINLY AN ISSUE FOR ALL OF US.
WE'LL ALL SEE DRASTIC CHANGE BUT THE WORLD'S VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, ETC, THEY WILL ALL SEE THE DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
THEY'LL SEE THAT THEY ARE JUST DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACTS.
THEY WILL ALSO SEE IMPACTS THE SOONEST.
THEY ARE ALREADY SEEING IMPACTS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE AND THOSE MOST DEEPLY AFFECTED ARE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE WORLD AS WELL AS IN THE US.
WE SET A ATTEMPT TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE BECAUSE WE KNOW THE DECK IS PRETTY STACKED AGAINST US.
IN TERMS OF INEQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, WHEN WE ACT TO CONSIDER EQUITY BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVER PROMISE AND UNDER DELIVER WHEN IT COMES TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF BENEFITS AND BURDENS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS ALREADY SET UP TO BE AN INEQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION AND WE'RE REALLY PUSHING HARD AGAINST THAT STATUS QUO BUT THE FORCES ARE PRETTY OVERWHELMING.
I DID REACH OUT TO COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE EARLIER THIS WEEK BECAUSE I WANTED TO JUST FOLLOW UP AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY WE DID NOT PROPOSE CHANGING IT.
BUT AS SARAH SAYS IT'S REALLY, OF COURSE, UP TO THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU ALL WANT TO ACCEPT THAT.
COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE AND I HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION.
IN HIS ABSENCE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I THINK HE WOULD SAY, YOU STILL CAN TRY.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S STRONGER LANGUAGE IS APPROPRIATE HERE BUT I LEAVE THAT TO COMMISSION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
A QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS ON SAME THINKING, ATTEMPT TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE.
CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION?
>> SURE, OF COURSE. ONE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS OUR ENERGY REBATE PROGRAM.
TO GET AN ENERGY REBATE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR HOME.
THIS IS A LONGSTANDING PROGRAM.
BUT WE'VE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY AN INEQUITABLE PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN UPFRONT INVESTMENT IN YOUR HOME.
MAYBE IT'S GETTING A NEW HIGH EFFICIENT FURNACE WHICH IS DEEPLY EXPENSIVE.
MAYBE IT'S INSULATING YOUR ATTIC, WHICH IS LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT STILL A PRETTY HEFTY INVESTMENT FOR SOME PEOPLE.
WE'VE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE COST SAVINGS AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THIS REBATE FROM THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CASH TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT.
WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THAT IS NOT AN EQUITABLE POLICY.
BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS EQUAL ACCESS TO THE PROGRAM AND TO THAT REBATE FINANCING.
A WAY THAT WE CAN TRY TO MORE EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE THAT FUNDING, WOULD BE TO HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE INCOME QUALIFIED BE ABLE TO GET UPFRONT FUNDING, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE NOT FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS NOW WE ACTUALLY GIVE A LARGER REBATE TO FOLKS WHO ARE INCOME QUALIFIED.
WE JUST STARTED WITH THAT THIS PAST YEAR.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW IT GOES OR WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S JUST ONE VERY SIMPLE EXAMPLE OF HOW WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATION IN THINGS.
>> YEAH, THE RIO DE FLAG IS AN ISSUE THAT I SEE DIRECTLY BEING TIED TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE RE-PIPING OF IT.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME ISSUE ABOUT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
IS ALL OF THAT SETTLED ALREADY OR IS THAT STILL ONGOING IN ANY WAY?
>> THAT PROGRAM IS YES, ABSOLUTELY TIED TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
IT IS HANDLED THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING AND STORM WATER PROGRAMS THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT.
THEY'VE DONE CERTAIN PARTS OF THAT PROJECT, BUT THE BIG PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL SPECIFICALLY AFFECT THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD,
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SOUTHSIDE, IN OTHER BA HAN, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION YET.I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN HAS BEEN FINALIZED.
YEAH, THERE'S CERTAINLY EQUITY, I THINK, POINTS TO BE MADE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT DESIGNS AND HOW THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS ARE TREATED.
>> JENNY, I'D LIKE TO JUST JUMP IN THERE REAL QUICK.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE PORTIONS THAT MOST IMPACT THE SOUTHSIDE HAVE FINAL DESIGN, THE FINAL DESIGN IS DONE.
WE'RE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASING AND IMPLEMENTATION SITE OF THAT PROCESS.
DESIGN WORK IS DONE AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING OUT.
IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROJECT TO IMPLEMENT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THOSE LITTLE PIECES.
BUT I THINK THEY DID THE FINAL DESIGN WORK, EARLIER IN THE SUMMER, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
>> IS THAT ALL? THANK YOU, SARAH.
THEN I'LL CHECKED OUT WITH THE SOUTHSIDE PLAN AND EVERYTHING, SO EQUITY IS AGREED UPON ON SOME LEVEL.
>> THE SOUTHSIDE PLAN SUPPORTS COMPLETION OF THE RIO DE FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT, BECAUSE THE PRIMARY GOAL WAS TO REMOVE THE FLOODPLAIN BURDENS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IN TERMS OF EQUITY.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MANDINO.
>> YES. COULDN'T THIS STATEMENT BE CHANGED TO, EITHER INSTEAD OF ATTEMPT TO, SAY CHANGE PROGRAM POLICY OR CHANGE POLICY, OR WORK ON CHANGING POLICY TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE.
ATTEMPT TO IS TO ME, YOU CAN ATTEMPT IT AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF ATTEMPTING THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT A VERY POWERFUL STATEMENT.
BUT WORKING TO CHANGE POLICY MIGHT BE A MORE POWERFUL WAY TO SAY THAT OR WORKING TO CHANGE PROGRAM POLICY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THANKS, COMMISSIONER MANDINO, YEAH, I THINK I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING FOR SURE.
THIS IS A POLICY IN THE REGIONAL PLAN, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF POLICIES CAN REFERENCE OTHER POLICIES [LAUGHTER] OR CHANGE.
I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAID PROGRAM POLICY.
CHANGING PROGRAM POLICY, NOT CHANGING POLICY, BUT MAYBE THERE'S PROGRAMS THAT CAN CHANGE THEIR POLICY SO THAT WE CAN EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE THE BURDENS AND BENEFITS.
>> I THINK THAT YOU OF COURSE, WITH A CONDITION CAN REWORD.
RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ADOPT A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THIS POLICY.
WHEN YOU USE POLICY WITH THE LITTLE P AND IT IS USED THROUGHOUT THE REGIONAL PLAN.
IT GENERALLY MEANS SOME OTHER POLICY, LIKE THE POLICY ON HOW WE CHOOSE NEW PARKS OR THE POLICY ON HOW WE GIVE OUT WATER METERS, OR HOW WE DECIDE WHO'S ELIGIBLE FOR WATER METERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF LAYERS OF POLICY IN THE CITY.
GENERALLY, IF YOU SAY PROGRAMS AND POLICIES, IT COVERS A VERY BROAD SET OF THINGS THAT COULD BE TOUCHED.
THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY CAUSE CONFUSION BETWEEN LIKE A BIG P, REGIONAL PLAN POLICY AND THOSE OTHER CITY POLICIES THAT EXIST IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE CITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARILY CONFUSING BECAUSE IT'S LANGUAGE THAT'S USED ELSEWHERE IN THE REGIONAL PLAN AS WELL.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT SEPARATE SELF-REFERENTIAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE HINTING AT, COMMISSIONER MANDINO?
>> YES, AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF POLICY, IT COULD BE, CHANGING PROGRAM STRATEGY TO DISTRIBUTE THE BURDENS AND BENEFITS OF CLIMATE ACTION POLICIES, SO THAT WE'RE NOT USING POLICY IN THE SENTENCE TWICE.
IF THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION, THEN YOU WOULD JUST APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
OR YOU WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN YOU COULD CHANGE AROUND HOWEVER, YOU WOULD WANT WHAT I HAD RECOMMENDED HERE.
>> IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK HOW OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT?
>> I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK.
>> THEN I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION.
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>> I TEND TO AGREE THAT, SAYING ATTEMPT TO IS PROBLEMATIC.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO METRIC FOR SUCCESS OR TARGET SETTING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THAT WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES?
>> THAT'S EXACTLY MY THINKING.
>> I MEAN THERE COULD BE MORE THAN WHAT I'VE SAID.
I SEE COMMISSIONER PAUL HAS HIS HAND UP.
>> COMMISSIONER PAUL, [OVERLAPPING] ADDRESSING.
>> SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION, DAVID.
I HAVE NO REAL CONCERNS WITH TWEAKING THE LANGUAGE AND TRYING TO MAYBE FIND VERBIAGE THAT MORE DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THE TEMPORAL DISCUSSING, SO LONG AS SARAH AND JENNY DON'T SEE THE CHANGES AS CREATING ANY AMBIGUITY, I AM FINE WITH THE MODIFICATIONS AS DISCUSSED.
>> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, IN ALL THIS?
>> I'LL JUMP IN AS WELL AND SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ON THIS, AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE PROJECTS.
I THINK WHAT WAS BEING SOUGHT AFTER IS A COMMITMENT, NOT AN ATTEMPT.
THAT'S A DISPARITY THAT I SEE IN USING THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. THANKS.
>> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTION TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A BETTER WAY OF STATING THIS.
WOULD CHANGING INSTEAD OF WORKING TO CHANGE PROGRAM STRATEGY, [NOISE] DOES THAT WORK OR IS THERE SOMETHING BETTER?
>> COMMISSIONER MANDINO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WORD POLICY.
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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE SARAH, THAT SHE UNDERSTAND HOW BIGGER P POLICY, AND SMALL P POLICIES WORK TOGETHER.I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SARAH IS SAYING THAT, THAT ALREADY HAPPENS IN THE REGIONAL PLAN.
I THINK THAT, IT COULD BE POLICIES AND PROGRAMS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT AS LONG AS SARAH IS GOOD WITH SMALL P POLICY, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
>> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF I, ON THIS SLIDE, WROTE OUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THE POLICY TO READ DIFFERENTLY? I DON'T MIND TYPING IF THAT ASSISTS PEOPLE HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO CLEARLY.
>> HOW WOULD IT SOUND IF WE SUBSTITUTED COMMIT FOR ATTEMPTS?
>> THANK YOU. THE WAY I'M READING THE LANDSCAPE, I'VE BEEN INTRODUCED TO A LOT OF CLIMATE JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND DEMANDS ARE GETTING VERY SPECIFIC AND I THINK THE MOST POLITE WAY I'VE SEEN IT IS TO SAY COMMIT TO THIS.
>> I LIKE THE WAY THAT'S STATED.
IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THAT'S A NICE WAY OF STATING THERE, AND IT'S MUCH STRONGER THAN ATTEMPTING.
>> I'LL PUT BACK UP THE REPROVE WITH CONDITIONS LANGUAGE THAT STAFF PULLED TOGETHER AND LET YOU REARRANGE IT TO REFLECT THE CHANGE YOU'VE MADE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO THAT.
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IS IT MORE HELPFUL THAT THIS SLIDE UP OR THIS SLIDE?[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?>> I JUST ASKED IS IT MORE HELPFUL TO HAVE UP THIS SLIDE WITH THE REWORDING OR TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> CAN YOU TAKE COPY AND TAKE THAT REWORDING AND PUT IT ON THIS SLIDE?
>> GIVE ME A SECOND I'LL MAKE YOU A NEW SLIDE.
[LAUGHTER] I'LL JUST BE MAKING SLIDES UNTIL YOU'RE HAPPY, HOW IS THAT? [LAUGHTER] HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THIS TOP LANGUAGE CHANGED AND THEN YOU CAN READ IT OUT LOUD.
>> I COULD ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE CARBON NEUTRALITY MAJOR PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PZ-21-00124, WITH THE CONDITION OF REMOVING THE WORDS "ATTEMPT TO" FROM E&C.3.6 TO COMMITTING TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE THE BURDENS AND BENEFITS OF CLIMATE ACTION POLICIES AND INVESTMENTS TO ALL SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
>> THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAUL I SECOND.
>> HERE WE HAVE OUR MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MANDINO, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PAUL IS ALREADY IN DISCUSSION.
I THINK THIS IS JUST FOR THE RECORD A MORE CLEAR EXPECTATION.
>> I AGREE. IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> I THINK THAT'S OUR WHOLE QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE THE MOTION PASSES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MANDINO, COMMISSIONER PAUL.
>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANKS FOR GIVING US SUCH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TOO. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS SO DILIGENTLY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER NOLAN, FOR THE WORDING.
>> I THANK EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
THIS MOVES US TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS 2.
THE ODDS ARE WE HAVE A GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND THAT'S THE QUERY PRESENTED BY MR. INCE, MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
MARTIN, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US?
MR. CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS MARTIN INCE, I'M THE MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
I'VE GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION TONIGHT FOR YOU ON THE DRAFT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS A PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING TO BOTH PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES AND A VARIETY OF OTHER CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I TYPICALLY TRY TO ADD SOMETHING INTO THE PRESENTATION THAT IS OF SPECIFIC INTEREST TO WHATEVER THAT COMMISSION HAPPENS TO BE.
I'VE ADDED A FEW THINGS TO IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND MADE IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN TYPICAL AND ADDED A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
ONE, I THINK THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS WITHIN THE PRESENTATION WITHIN THE DOCUMENT THE PLANNING AND ZONING WILL HAVE AN INTEREST IN.
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THE SECOND REASON IS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL BE PART OF THE FORMAL REVIEW PROCESS AND RECOMMENDATION PROCESS FOR THIS DOCUMENT AS IT MOVES FORWARD PAST THE PUBLIC REVIEW, PUBLIC COMMENT STAGE, AND INTO THE FORMAL APPROVAL PROCESS.I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
I THINK IF WE CAN KEEP THIS FAIRLY INFORMAL, SO I'LL MOVE THROUGH THIS BUT IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN THE MIDDLE, BY ALL MEANS, DON'T WAIT TILL THE END.
FEEL FREE TO JUMP RIGHT IN AND RAISE YOUR HAND OR ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE COMMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESENTATION.
I'VE INTRODUCED MYSELF, I'M WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNER SIMPLY MEANS THAT I WORK ON ISSUES RELATED TO WALKING AND BIKING, AS WELL AS FOOTS, TRAILS.
ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WHICH HENCEFORTH SHALL BE CALLED THE ATMP, IS NOTHING MORE REALLY THAN A GUIDE TO ENHANCING WALKING AND BIKING IN FLAGSTAFF.
OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS PLANS AND POLICY DOCUMENTS IN FLAGSTAFF THAT TALK ABOUT WALKING OR BIKING AND INDICATES SUPPORT FOR WALKING AND BIKING.
BEGINNING WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WALKING AND BIKING.
BUT GENERALLY, THEY LACK DETAILED GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.
THE ATMP IS REALLY INTENDED TO PROVIDE THAT DETAIL AND THAT GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION TO MOVE US FORWARD WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCOMMODATION.
THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT PLAN.
THE FIRST COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS THERE ARE REALLY BY WAY OF BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT.
GOALS AND POLICIES ARE HIGH-LEVEL AND ASPIRATIONAL.
STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS ARE THE DETAIL, THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
OUTCOMES AND TARGETS ARE WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE OR WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO AS A COMMUNITY, AND THEN, OF COURSE, IMPLEMENTATION IS HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT.
THE LAST TWO ITEMS ON THIS LIST HAVE AN ASTERISK AFTER THEM AND [NOISE] THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT THAT'S OUT FOR REVIEW.
BUT WE ARE DEVELOPING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON THOSE TWO TOPICS THAT WILL BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC SUBSEQUENTLY AND THEN INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PLANETS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.
THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR APPROACH, AND THE DRAFT DOCUMENT REALLY SUGGESTS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN HOW WE GO ABOUT OR HOW WE THINK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LANGUAGE OR THE CONTENT OF THE CITY'S NEW CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM THAT WE USED TO CALL, 'THE BIG SHIFT.' IT REALLY HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES OR POINTS BEHIND IT THAT ARE INCLUDED HERE AS BULLET POINTS.
THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE TRANSFORMATIONAL THAN INCREMENTAL.
THE SECOND IS TO EMPHASIZE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES AND DON'T OVERBUILD FOR CARS.
WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THAT WHEN WE BUILT FOR CARS, WE GET MORE CARS.
WHEN WE BUILD FOR PEOPLE AND PLACES AND PEDS AND BIKES THEN WE GET PEOPLE IN PLACES IN PEDS AND BIKES.
THIRD POINT IS TO TAKE A WELL-ROUNDED APPROACH TO TRANSPORTATION.
HERE WE CONSIDER A WIDE VARIETY OF COMMUNITY OBJECTIVES AND VALUES.
THOSE MIGHT INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, PUBLIC HEALTH, SUSTAINABILITY, AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND JUST THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE OR THE MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES IN OUR APPROACH TO TRANSPORTATION.
FINALLY, THE LAST ONE IS THAT WE PURSUE A WIDE RANGE OF SOLUTIONS FOR MOBILITY.
HERE THE IDEAS PROVIDE MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE FOR MOBILITY.
THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF CHOICES FOR HOW THEY GET AROUND, AS WELL AS TO MAKE THOSE OPTIONS VIABLE AND ATTRACTIVE.
WHEN PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ONE OPTION, LIKE IF YOUR ONLY OPTION FOR GETTING PLACES IS TO DRIVE YOUR CAR, THEN YOUR MOBILITY HAS REALLY SUFFERED.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S REALLY NO MOBILITY AT ALL.
OUR POLICY SUPPORT FOR WALKING AND BIKING IS REALLY THE HIGH-LEVEL ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND SUPPORT FOR IT.
I HEAR THE DRAFT ATMP IS NOT CREATING OR TREADING ON ANY NEW GROUND, IT IS SIMPLY BUILDING ON WHAT THE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE REGIONAL PLAN FOR WALKING AND BIKING IN AND MORE GENERALLY TRANSPORTATION.
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IT DOES HOWEVER, PROVIDE MORE DETAIL AS I MENTIONED EARLIER FOR WALKING AND BIKING.STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THEM IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
THEY ARE ORGANIZED AROUND THE SIX TOPICS THAT YOU SEE HERE, INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT, SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE PLANNING, AND EVALUATION.
I THINK IN A GENERAL SENSE, YOU COULD DIVIDE IT INTO TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS.
ONE IS INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE FACILITIES AND THINGS THAT WE BUILD.
THEN THE OTHER CAMP WOULD BE PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO TO ENCOURAGE TO MAKE IT MORE SAFE, TO CELEBRATE WALKING AND BIKING AND TO SUPPORT IT.
I DO WANT TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND TALK ABOUT THE TWO APPENDICES, OR THE TWO DOCUMENTS, OR THE TWO PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT ARE FORTHCOMING, WILL BECOME PART OF OVERALL DOCUMENT.
THE FIRST ONE WAS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
HERE WE HAVE DEVELOPED A FAIRLY LONG LIST OF PED AND BIKE PROJECTS.
PED AND BIKE FACILITIES THAT INCLUDE; SIDEWALKS, BIKEWAYS, FUTS TRAILS, ADVANCED STREET CROSSINGS, AND BRIDGES AND TUNNELS.
A PORTION OF THESE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN A 20-YEAR PROGRAM OF PROJECTS THAT IS FUNDED BY THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX AND FIRST, LAST MILE GRANTS.
THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN 2018.
IT LASTS FROM 2020 - 2040, AND IT PROVIDES MONEY FOR A VARIETY OF TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
BUT THE PART THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS $29 MILLION THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE OR EARMARKED FOR PED AND BIKE PROJECTS.
THE SECOND PIECE IS THAT GRANT FROM [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK THEY APPLIED FOR AND WERE AWARDED IT LATE LAST YEAR.
IT IS ABOUT $5.5 MILLION IN FEDERAL MONEY TO SUPPORT FIRST, LAST MILE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY PED BIKE PROJECTS THAT HELP GET PEOPLE TO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS, WE HAVE ABOUT $34.5 MILLION PREPARING THE BIKE PROJECTS AND OUR LIST OF PROJECTS HELP FILL THAT IN.
THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM PROCESS AND THIS ALLOWS US TO SEAMLESSLY GO FROM PLANNING TO DESIGN, TO CONSTRUCTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE FACILITIES.
A COUPLE OF DETAILS ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PED AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE PORTION.
HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOW -STRESS NETWORK OF BIKEWAYS.
LOW-STRESS MEANS SIMPLY THAT IT IS COMFORTABLE FOR MOST PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY OR AGE OR EXPERIENCE.
IT IS HIERARCHICAL, SO IT'S DIVIDED INTO PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, THIRD AND FOURTH LEVEL BIKEWAYS THAT HELPS WITH THINGS LIKE MAINTENANCE AND DETOURS AND WAYFINDING.
THE BIKEWAYS ARE COMPRISED OF A VARIETY OF FACILITIES.
IN THE OLD DAYS, FOR BIKEWAYS, WE WERE LIMITED TO BIKE LANES AND FUTS TRAILS WERE THE MAIN TWO THINGS THAT WE USED, AND NOW THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF INNOVATIVE FACILITIES THAT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE STARTING TO USE, RANGING FROM PROTECTED OR SEPARATED BIKE LANES, DIFFERENT KINDS OF INTERSECTIONS, BIKE BOULEVARDS, BIKE ROUTES, [INAUDIBLE] MARKINGS.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO FILL OUT THE BIKEWAY NETWORK.
WE WANT IT TO WORK TOGETHER AS A COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM SO IT COVERS ALL AREAS OF TOWN AND SERVES THE POPULATION NO MATTER WHAT YOUR DESTINATION AND ORIGIN.
SIGNAGE, BRANDING, AND WAYFINDING MAKE IT PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND MAKE IT COHESIVE.
THEY ALSO MAKE IT MORE INTUITIVE AND EASY TO USE.
THE WHOLE THING IS REALLY INTENDED TO APPEAL TO AND REMOVE IMPEDIMENTS FOR A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT WE CALL INTERESTED BUT CONCERNED.
IT COULD BE UP TO 60 PERCENT OF FLAGSTAFF WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BICYCLING, MAY WANT TO USE IT MORE FOR TRANSPORTATION, FOR COMMUTING, BUT THEY REALLY NEED TO HAVE COMFORTABLE OR APPEALING FACILITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE BIKEWAYS PLAN IS INTENDED FOR.
MARTIN, THE APP BY THE HOSPITAL IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? YES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF THE CURVES? YES.
THAT PROVIDES SOME SEPARATION FOR TRAFFIC THAT MAKES PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE ON BEAVER STREET.
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I THINK IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW ON BUTLER AVENUE AS WELL.INTENDED TO MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE, AND IF YOU'RE NERVOUS ABOUT RIDING ON THOSE STREETS, HOPEFULLY THE NEW CONFIGURATION WILL MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE AND MORE LIKELY TO RIDE.
HERE'S A MAP SHOWING THE PROPOSED BIKEWAYS NETWORK BY HIERARCHY.
IF YOU JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE DARK BLUE AND THE VIOLET LINES, THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY NETWORK OR THE BACKBONE NETWORK LOOKS LIKE.
OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES COVER ALL AREAS OF TOWN AND WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING TO OR WHEREVER YOU'RE COMING FROM, THERE SHOULD BE A COMFORTABLE ROUTE FOR YOU TO DO THAT.
A SECOND PART OF IT IS THE FUTS MASTERPLAN.
FUTS, OF COURSE, IS THE FLAGSTAFF URBAN TRAILS SYSTEM.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 58 MILES OF TRAILS.
THE PLAN SHOWS SOME OF THE 76 MILES THAT ARE PLANNED.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A HANDFUL OF ANCILLARY FACILITIES, INCLUDING SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS TO EXISTING TRAILS.
ACCESS TO THE FORESTS, ALL THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GO FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR WHEREVER THEY LIVE UP TO THE FOREST.
SOMETIMES THAT CONSISTS OF A FUTS TRAIL AND A FOREST SERVICE TRAIL, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S LESS FORMAL THAN THAT.
TRAILHEADS AND TRAIL HUBS ARE AROUND THE PERIPHERY AND WE THINK OF THEM AS PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN PARK TO ACCESS EITHER THE FUTS SYSTEM OR THE SURROUNDING SINGLETRACK RECREATIONAL NETWORK.
WE DON'T OFTEN BUILD TRAILHEADS PARKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH FUTS TRAILS, BUT THERE ARE A FEW CASES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DO COME IN HANDY AND PART OF IT IS FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
SINGLETRACK CONNECTORS ARE A FUTS TRAIL LIGHT, WHERE WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY OUT TO THE FOREST AND WE MAY SERVE THAT PURPOSE WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO BUILD A FULL-BLOWN FUTS TRAIL.
ACCESS TO OUTLYING COMMUNITIES IS SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR WHENEVER WE TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT FUTS OR HAVE DONE SURVEYS.
THAT REALLY IS MORE OF A REGIONAL PROJECT OR A REGIONAL PROBLEM AND IT'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PLACES LIKE DORNEY PARK OR MOUNTAIN AREA OR BELMONT WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE CITY VIA A FUTS TRAIL.
BUILDING A FUTS TRIAL WOULD BE EXPENSIVE AND MAY TAKE A WHILE, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS USING EXISTING TRAILS AND FOREST SERVICE ROADS.
THE LAST ONE IS FUTS GREENWAY.
THIS IS REALLY BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT FOLLOWS THE FUTS TRAILS IN THE WAY OF A PLANNED GREENWAY, IT REALLY BENEFITS THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE REALLY VERY SIGNIFICANT.
I THINK OF THE FUTS THAT GOES OUT FROM THE LIBRARY OUT TOWARDS TUSHAR AND THERE'S GENERALLY MORE OR LESS OF THE GREENWAY ALONG BOTH SIDES OF IT ALL.
IN SOME PLACES LIKE WHERE IT GOES THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY CAN BE REALLY NARROW.
BUT I THINK IN THOSE CASES, THAT EVEN THE NARROW PARTS MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO SOMEBODY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE FUTS TRIAL.
I THINK THAT AS WE PLAN FOR THESE, THAT THERE IS A ROLE FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, WHERE I THINK WE CAN ENHANCE THESE THREE OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO THINK OF THAT CAREFUL AND STRATEGICALLY.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GETS INVOLVED WITH IN THE FUTURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING TRAILS IN DARKER ORANGE AND PLANNED TRAILS.
IF WE LAYER IN SOME OF THOSE ANCILLARY FACILITIES I TALKED ABOUT, IT STARTS TO LOOK LIKE THIS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE WHAT'S ON THIS MAP, BUT THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
I THINK THERE'LL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT THINGS IN MORE DETAIL AND PLAN CAREFULLY FOR IT.
THE SECOND COMPONENT OR THE SECOND APPENDIX TO THE DOCUMENT IS PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS AND DESIGN GUIDANCE.
WE'VE BROKEN THESE INTO FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS AS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE NOTION THAT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCOMMODATION REALLY FITS INTO A LARGER CONTEXT OF HOW WE DO LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
WANT TO TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EACH ONE OF THESE FOUR AREAS.
THE FIRST ONE BEING TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
I'VE LISTED HERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS FOR HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT IS A CONCEPT THAT REDUCES THE DEMAND FOR SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLE USE AND ENCOURAGE USE OF OTHER SUSTAINABLE MODES, LIKE WALKING, BIKING OR TRANSIT.
IF WE THINK OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IS A PUSH-PULL BETWEEN CAPACITY AND DEMAND,
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TYPICAL RESPONSE IS THAT WE BUILD CAPACITY TO MEET WHAT WE PERCEIVE AS THE DEMAND.TYPICALLY, BUILDING CAPACITY MEANS THAT WE WIDEN ROADWAYS OR BUILD BIG INTERSECTIONS.
TDM FLIPS IT ON ITS HEAD AND ADDRESSES THE DEMAND SIDE OF THAT EQUATION.
WE WORK TO REDUCE VEHICLE DEMAND, WE USE WHAT WE HAVE EXISTING RESOURCES MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND WE BUILD CAPACITY THROUGH BETTER WALKING, BIKING, AND TRANSIT OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT THE TDM, TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT AS A PHILOSOPHY OR AS A PROGRAM REALLY HAS A COUPLE OF EXISTING EXAMPLES ALREADY IN THE CITY FOR OTHER SUBJECT AREAS.
ONE OF THEM IS WE HAVE A FUNCTION AT THE CITY THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO REDUCE HOW MUCH WASTE THEY PRODUCE.
THE IDEA IS IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO REDUCE HOW MUCH WASTE THEY PRODUCE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE EXPENSIVE INVESTMENTS IN THE LANDFILL AND IN COLLECTION SYSTEMS. GETTING PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR IS WORTHWHILE IN TERMS OF A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
THE OTHER ONE IS THE CITY HAS A PROGRAM THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO USE LESS WATER, AND IT'S FOR THE SAME PRINCIPLE REALLY.
THEY'RE GETTING PEOPLE TO USE LESS WATER IS A BETTER WAY TO APPROACH THE PROBLEM THAN TRYING TO FIND NEW SOURCES OF WATER OR DIG NEW WELLS OR BUILD NEW TREATMENT PLANTS TO MEET THAT PERCEIVED DEMAND.
TDM REALLY WORKS IN ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WAY.
INSTEAD OF MAKING EXPENSIVE INVESTMENTS IN ROADWAY CAPACITY AND INTERSECTION CAPACITY FOR VEHICLES, THAT WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR BY GIVING THEM BETTER OPTIONS FOR GETTING AROUND AND FOR MOBILITY.
CONTEXT-SENSITIVE SOLUTIONS IS SIMPLY THE IDEA THAT THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE CONCEPT SHOULDN'T AFFECT HOW WE BUILD STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES.
A STREET THROUGH DOWNTOWN OR THE SOUTH SIDE CAN FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY AND LOOK DIFFERENTLY THAN A STREET THROUGH AN INDUSTRIAL AREA OR A STREET THROUGH A RURAL AREA.
COMPLETE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION IS THE NOTION THAT STREETS ARE BUILT FOR ALL USERS, NOT JUST VEHICLES, BUT PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, TRANSIT RIDERS.
COMPLETE TRANSPORTATION IS THE NOTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WHERE WE CONSIDER A WIDE RANGE OF COMMUNITY VALUES AND A WIDE RANGE OF OBJECTIVES WHEN WE PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION.
THE SECTION ON THE DRAFT DOCUMENT ABOUT CONGESTION MITIGATION CHALLENGES THE NOTION THAT CONGESTION IS SOMETHING THAT FLAGSTAFF CAN ELIMINATE OR SOLVE.
IN A LOT OF WAYS, CONGESTION IS A FORM OF EQUILIBRIUM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AS LONG AS WE HAVE ACTIVITY IN A HEALTHY ECONOMY, BUT THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE COULD MANAGE IT.
THAT PRIMARILY RELIES ON GIVING PEOPLE OPTIONS SO THEY HAVE CHOICES FOR GETTING AROUND AND DO NOT HAVE TO GET STUCK IN TRAFFIC, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.
THEN THE FINAL POINT UNDER TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IS ABOUT EQUITY AND ACCESSIBILITY, AND MAKING SURE THAT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ARE ENJOYED BY EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY.
MOBILITY, AFTER ALL, IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN NEED OR NEED TO GET PLACES TO GO TO SCHOOL, GO TO WORK, SHOP, GET NECESSITIES, RECREATE, MEET PEOPLE, ETC.
UNDER LAND USE AND URBAN FORM, THERE'S REALLY A LOT THAT'S ALREADY WRITTEN IN REGIONAL PLAN.
OUR INTENT HERE IS NOT TO RECREATE WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE REGIONAL PLAN ABOUT LAND USE AND URBAN FORM, BUT MERELY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT RELATES BACK TO ITS IMPACT OR HOW IT AFFECTS WALKING AND BIKING, AND THAT RELATIONSHIP CAN BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN ENCOURAGES COMPACT FORM, MIXED USE, AND DENSITY.
ALL THOSE THINGS ALSO SUPPORT WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE COMMUNITIES.
OFF-STREET PARKING IS AN ISSUE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GRAPPLING WITH.
I DON'T REGULARLY ATTEND YOUR MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THIS OFTEN COMES UP IN A VARIETY OF WAYS AS IN TERMS OF AN OPPORTUNITY OR IN TERMS OF A PROBLEM.
OFF-STREET PARKING CAN ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON WALKING AND BIKING, SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THAT'S PLANNED AND HOW IT'S EXECUTED.
AREA TYPES AND ACTIVITY CENTERS.
THIS, AGAIN, THERE'S LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE REGIONAL PLAN.
WE JUST WANT TO RELATE IT TO HOW IT AFFECTS WALKING OR BIKING, OR HOW WE MIGHT APPROACH WALKING AND BIKING ACCOMMODATION DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON IF YOU'RE IN AN URBAN AREA VERSUS WHEN IF YOU'RE IN A SUBURBAN OR RURAL AREA.
URBAN FORM YOU CAN THINK OF AS STREETSCAPES.
AGAIN, THERE'S INFORMATION IN BOTH THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND THE ZONAL CODE ABOUT SETBACKS,
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BUILDING FACADES, ORIENTATION, BUILDING ACTIVITY.ALL OF THOSE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE COMMUNITIES.
PLACEMAKING IS THE PROCESS OF TRANSFORMING THE PUBLIC REALM INTO QUALITY PLACES FOR PEOPLE.
WE THINK OF THE PUBLIC REALM AS PLACES LIKE WHEELER PARK OR HERITAGE SQUARE, BUT OUR MOST UBIQUITOUS PUBLICS SPACE IS OUR STREET NETWORK.
WE CAN INCORPORATE PRINCIPLES OF PLACEMAKING INTO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND INTO OUR STREETS.
THEN FINALLY IS HOW WE DO CONNECTIVITY.
THIS IS NOT ONLY THE STREET GRID AND HOW MANY PLACES HOW OFTEN WE CONNECT, WE CAN MAKE A FINER SPACE GRID FOR JUST PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS THROUGH THINGS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS OR FOOT'S TRAILS THAT PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE ON FOOT OR ON BICYCLE.
THE THIRD LAYER IS STREET INTERSECTION DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S EASY TO RECOGNIZE HOW THAT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON WALKABILITY AND LIKABILITY.
A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE, ONE IS RIGHT-SIZING STREETS.
THAT IS NOT ONLY THE NUMBER OF LANES ON THE STREET, BUT ALSO THE WIDTH OF THOSE LANES.
THE IDEA IS GETS BACK TO SOMETHING I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT NOT OVERBUILDING FOR CARS.
SPEED HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON BOTH SAFETY AND COMFORT.
THEN OF COURSE, INTERSECTION AND ROUNDABOUTS CAN MAKE OR BREAK THE BIKE AND PED NETWORK, IF THEY'RE EASIER TO GET THROUGH AND COMFORTABLE OR THE OPPOSITE.
THEN FINALLY THE LAST LEVEL IS HEAD AND BIKE FACILITIES THEMSELVES AND HERE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE DRAFT, AND IT'S REALLY AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT HEAD AND BIKE PLANNING IS ALL ABOUT GETTING THE DETAILS.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DESIGN COMFORTABLE, USEFUL, EFFECTIVE FACILITIES FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I WAS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE ANY DETAIL, BUT I COULDN'T RESIST INCLUDING THIS AS PART OF THAT.
WE THINK OF SIDEWALKS AS BEING JUST A CHUNK OF STRIP OF CONCRETE WHERE WE WALK BUT REALLY A SIDEWALK IS PART OF A BIGGER CONCEPT OF PEDESTRIAN ZONES, AND HERE WE SEE FOUR TYPICAL ONES.
THE FRONTAGE IS WHAT HAPPENS AGAINST THE BUILDING, THE THROUGH ZONE IS WHAT WE THINK OF AS THE SIDEWALK.
FURNISHING IS WHERE THINGS GO LIKE MAILBOXES AND BENCHES AND BIKE RACKS, AND THERE'S A BUFFER THAT COULD BE A BIKE LANE, PARKED CARS, SOMETHING BETWEEN WHERE THE OTHER ZONES ARE IN THE STREET.
THIS SHOWS A FAIRLY URBAN CONTEXT, BUT THE CONCEPT TRANSLATES WELL INTO SUB-URBAN CONTEXTS AS WELL, WHERE WERE THE FRONTAGE BECOMES A SETBACK BEFORE BUILDING AND THE FURNISHING STRIP BECOMES A GRASS OR A LANDSCAPE PARKWAY.
WE'LL SHIFT FROM CONTENT FOR A MOMENT AND TALK ABOUT PROCESS.
WE RELEASED THE DRAFT OF THE ATMP BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WE ARE NEARING THE END OF THE 60-DAY PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD.
I MENTIONED THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE DESIGN GUIDANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE PORTIONS OF THE PLAN.
WE DO HAVE A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE REGIONAL PLAN THAT IS PART OF THIS, THAT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT YOU HEARD EARLIER THIS EVENING WITH CARBON NEUTRALITY PLANETS, SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE REGIONAL PLAN.
THE ONE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN AND THE ATMP IS THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW POLICIES FOR THE REGIONAL PLAN, SO WE QUALIFY AS A MINOR AMENDMENT.
BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED, THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESS TO GO THROUGH FOR THAT MINOR AMENDMENT, INCLUDING HEARINGS OR AT LEAST ONE HEARING.
I MENTIONED THERE'S A 60-DAY PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, IT TECHNICALLY GOES THROUGH NOVEMBER 19TH, BUT WE CAN EXTEND THAT.
WHEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ENDS, WE WILL BEGIN A MORE DETAILED REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE'S TWO TRACKS, ONE IS THROUGH THE PAC, PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND BIKE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, AND THE OTHER TRUCK GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BOTH END AT THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WOULD APPROVE THE DOCUMENT BY RESOLUTION, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT COULD HAPPEN IN MARCH OF 2022.
ON THE PUBLIC REVIEW FRONT, WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN VARIOUS COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS.
SO FAR, THERE'S A COMMUNITY SURVEY OPEN,
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WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF OPEN HOUSES AND WE'VE BEEN MAKING PRESENTATIONS TO OTHER CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL AS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT WE HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THIS DRAFT DOCUMENT IN ACTUALITY WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS SINCE 2014, SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
THE LATEST ROUND IS REALLY NOT TO START FROM SCRATCH AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'VE WRITTEN IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT HAS HEARD PEOPLE AND GETS THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MENTIONED A COMMUNITY SURVEY, YOU CAN FIND IT HERE.
IT IS SCHEDULED AT THE MOMENT TO BE OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 19TH, BUT I THINK WE MAY EXTEND THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS.
THEN IF YOU WANT MORE DETAIL ABOUT ANY PART OF THE DRAFT DOCUMENT OR THE INFORMATION BEHIND IT, YOU CAN GO TO THIS WEBSITE, WHICH IS SIMPLY FLAGSTAFF.AZ.GOV/ATMP, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND TIME ON YOUR AGENDA, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU MARTIN VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER MANDINO.
>> I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MY FIRST QUESTION CONCERNING WHO HAS ATTENDED THOSE COMMUNITY FORUMS? HAS IT HAD BEEN A MIX OF YOUNG AND OLD PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DRIVABILITY, OLDER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SOMETIMES THE ABILITY TO BIKE OR WALK AS EASILY AS YOUNGER PEOPLE, SO WHILE THEY MIGHT WANT TO WALK TO THE STORE, IT MIGHT TAKE THEM AN HOUR, THE OPEN HOUSE HAS BEEN ATTENDED BY OLDER ADULTS OR HAVE ANY OF THEM BEEN AIM TOWARD OLDER ADULTS?
>> WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY AIMED AT ANY OF THE OUTREACH AT OLDER ADULTS, THERE HAS BEEN PARTICIPATION FOR SURE.
I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ATTENDED AS THEY'VE BEEN AGING, HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR TRANSPORTATION, SO I THINK THEY'RE CURIOUS TO SEE IF WHAT THE CITY IS PLANNING IS GOING TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AS THEY GET OLDER, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THERE WAS A WOMAN AT AN OPEN HOUSE WHO USES A TRACK TO GET AROUND PRIMARILY BECAUSE SHE REALLY IS NOT ABLE TO USE A BICYCLE, AND SO SHE WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT IS IN THE BIKEWAYS PLAN AND IF HER TRIKE WOULD WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED AS PART OF IT.
>> THAT WOULD JUST BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS TO SOMEHOW TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OLDER ADULTS, PEOPLE IN THEIR LATE '70S, EARLY '80S, TO SEE WHAT THEIR REACTION TO THE PLAN IS, AND ANY COMMENTS THEY MAY HAVE.
THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I'VE SAT THROUGH NEED TO GOING IN DOING A PRESENTATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS YOU MARTIN, OF HOW MILTON AVENUE MIGHT CHANGE, AND I'M CURIOUS WHY THAT ISN'T IN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.
THE WHOLE THING WITH MILTON AVENUE WITH THE BUSES, HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE OR IF THAT'S JUST NOT BEING CONSIDERED ANYMORE, GOING UP TO.
WELL, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO UP TO WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS NOW, BUT WITH THE CHANGES WHERE IF THE HOSPITAL MOVES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT MARTIN?
>> YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECT.
>> I MAY HAVE TO ENLIST SARA'S HELP AND ASK YOU TO CLARIFY WHERE THAT IS.
I KNOW THAT THE QUARTER OF MASTER PLAN THAT WE DID, THE PROCESS THAT ADOT WENT THROUGH FOR MILTON CONSIDERED BUS RAPID TRANSIT.
IS IT CORRECT, SARA? I THINK THAT THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT IS NO LONGER SOMETHING THAT MOUNTAIN LINE IS PURSUING.
THE LAST TIME I HEARD ABOUT THIS AT A METRO PLAN MEETING WAS THAT WE'RE NO LONGER PURSUING BUS RAPID TRANSIT.
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AT THE SCALE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO APPLY FOR THE FEDERAL BRT GRANTS, BUT THAT NAPTA IS STILL LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE THERE CAN BE EFFICIENCY ADDED TO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR BUSES.BUT THERE'S RULES FOR THE FEDERAL BRT GRANTS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH CONTINUOUS AREAS OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS.
FLAGSTAFF HAS FOUND THAT A CITY OF OUR SCALE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT WORK.
ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOUND THAT IT IMPEDED THE EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF OTHER VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE A NET BENEFIT AT THIS TIME.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, WELL, THIS ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE BUS SYSTEM AT ALL, IS THAT BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT IN CHARGE OF THE BUS SYSTEM, SO YOU CAN'T INCLUDE IT IN YOUR PLANNING?
>> YEAH. WE INCLUDED AT LEAST FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THERE BY WALKING AND BIKING.
THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT THAT WE CAN GIVE MOUNTAIN LINE AND A LOT OF PLANNING THAT WE CAN DO COOPERATIVELY.
I MENTIONED THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR $5.5 MILLION FOR FIRST, LAST MILE, AND REALLY THAT'S INTENDED FOR FACILITIES THAT HELP GET PEOPLE TO TRANSIT.
THAT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR FOCUS, THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE PART OF OUR FOCUS TO HELP SUPPORT TRANSIT.
BUT AS FAR AS PLANNING FOR IT SPECIFICALLY, THE MOUNTAIN LINE DOES THAT.
THEY HAVE A PROCESS GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO UPDATE THEIR FIVE-YEAR TRANSIT PLAN.
I'M SURE THAT THEY WILL TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS AS PART OF THAT.
BUT WE COVER THAT IN DETAIL IN OUR PLAN AND THEY COVER THE TRANSIT PART OF IT IN DETAIL IN THEIR PLAN, AND THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT OVERLAP.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SAW YOUR HAND, COMMISSIONER NOLAN.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT?
I JUST REALLY WANTED TO THANK MARTIN FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK OVER THE YEARS ON REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE TRAIL SYSTEM.
WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND REALLY A LOT OF FACTORS COMING, I THINK RELYING ON VEHICLES IS GOING TO GET TOUGHER AND TOUGHER, SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE HELPING TO REALLY CARVE OUT CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY ONCE PEOPLE START TRANSITIONING TO OTHER METHODS OTHER THAN A CAR.
MARTIN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
MARTIN'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND I DO APPRECIATE HIS WORK IN THE WORK [OVERLAPPING]
>> IN THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
>> WE HAVE A STATEMENT IN A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL AND I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM YOU NOW FROM, MAYBE SAY 2014, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, AND I THINK I'VE BEEN GETTING UPDATES FROM YOU THE WHOLE TIME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE CITY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IT'S IMPORTANT, AND I KNOW IT'S OFTEN UNDERAPPRECIATED AND THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, ALL. I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE IS A WHOLE LOT STILL TO BE DONE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO HELP GET THAT WORK DONE.
THIS BRINGS US TO ITEM 7, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO, FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO OR FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS?
>> THIS IS MY MISCELLANEOUS ITEM.
THERE'S SOME COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D KNOW YOU IF I SAW YOU ON THE STREET, SO IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE COULD GET TOGETHER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
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I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A MEETING IN-PERSON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.>> I THINK I'M HEARING [INAUDIBLE].
>> HOLIDAY PARTY WOULD BE NICE TOO.
WE USED TO DO THOSE BACK IN THE DAY.
I'LL LOOK AT CALENDARS AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
>> I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD THEM IN VARIOUS PLACES, INDOORS AND DOWNTOWN AND STUFF.
I GUESS IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER, IT'S COLD THAT TIME OF YEAR TO SOCIALIZE OUTDOORS.
YOU NEVER KNOW. BUT CERTAINLY, I'D APPRECIATE IT IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER TO, FROM ITEMS?
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN OR IF WE MIGHT BE TRANSITIONING TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS OR ARE WE STICKING VIRTUAL FOR A WHILE?
>> AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO CONTINUE WITH THE VIRTUAL.
>> SOUNDS GREAT. I JUST SAW THE EMAIL WITH THE SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR AND IT ALL SAID, CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, SO JUST WANTED TO CHECK. SOUNDS GOOD.
>> I WILL GIVE YOU A BIG HEADS UP IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE TO IN-PERSON OR SOME HYBRID SITUATION.
>> SOUNDS GREAT. THANKS SO MUCH.
>> WELL, UNLESS THERE IS AN OBJECTION, WE MAY STAND ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU TOO. [OVERLAPPING]
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