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MUM DENSITY IS TWO ACRES AND THE MAXIMUM IS FIVE.

[A. Preliminary Plat PZ-15-00015-22 Aries at Timber Sky Phase II Capstone Homes requests Preliminary Plat approval for Aries at Timber Sky Phase II (Block 7B) located at 3501 E Route 66, a single-family subdivision on 6.59 acres in the Single-Family Residential (R1) Zone. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Staff recommends the Planning and Zoning Commission, in accordance with the findings presented in this report, forward the Preliminary Plat to the City Council with a recommendation of approval.]

THE LOTS ARE DESIGNED TO CONFORM WITH THE R ONE MINIMUM STANDARD.

SO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 6000 SQUARE FEET AND WE HAVE LOTS THAT RANGE BETWEEN 8000 SQUARE FEET AND 19,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN A SUBDIVISION.

THE SET PACKS ALL CONFORM WITH R1 MINIMUM SETBACKS, WHICH INCLUDE A FRONT OF 15 FOOT 25 AND 25 FEET FOR PARKING FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE SIDES OF EIGHT FEET AND REAR OF 25.

THERE ARE NO CORNER LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION.

ALL CORNER LOTS HAVE A PRIVATE TRACT ADJACENT TO THEM.

SO IN TERMS OF OTHER RELEVANT STANDARDS, THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES, A CLEARANCE WAS COMPLETED WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR TIMBER SKY BACK IN 2016, SO NO ADDITIONAL RESOURCE REVIEW WAS NECESSARY IN REGARDS TO PARKS, OPEN SPACE, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FACILITIES.

THE SITE IS WITHIN AND ADJACENT TO OPEN SPACE AND AMENITY AREA PROVIDED WITHIN THE TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THERE'S BOTH. THERE'S AN AMENITY SPACE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH AND THEN OPEN SPACE WITH FUTS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.

SO SIDEWALKS ARE PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND AS WELL AS A TRAIL, ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM THE SUBDIVISION LOTS TO THE FUTS TRAIL THAT RUNS THROUGH THE ADJACENT OPEN SPACE.

SO FINDING NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE SUBDIVISION PLAT MEET THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS PUBLIC SYSTEM ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE HERE IS THAT THIS IS A SMALLER SUBDIVISION WITHIN A MUCH LARGER SUBDIVISION.

SO ACCESS AND TRAFFIC WAS ALL DEALT WITH AS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL REZONING AND ANNEXATION AND THE LARGER PLATING FOR THE TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT. A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISION, BUT THAT TIA WAS COMPLETED WITH THAT OVERALL REZONING. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE AND WHAT WAS REQUIRED, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ROLL THROUGH SOME OF THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

IN TERMS OF WATER AND WASTEWATER, SUBSTANTIAL WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE TO SERVE THE OVERALL LARGER TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER.

BUT THIS INTERNAL SMALL SUBDIVISION WILL PROVIDE THE NEW EIGHT INCH WATER LINE IN THE NEW EIGHT INCH SEWER LINE, AND TAPS WILL BE PROVIDED TO EACH BLOCK.

IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, REGIONAL DETENTION WAS ALSO ADDRESSED WITH THE LARGER TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT REGIONAL DETENTION IS PROVIDED IN THAT OPEN SPACE TRACK DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT SUBDIVISION AND ON LIGHT ON LOT LID ALSO REFERRED TO AS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT IS PROVIDED ON EACH LOT.

SO THE REQUIRED FINDING, THE THIRD REQUIRED FINDING IS THAT IT MEETS THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND SPLIT REGULATIONS.

THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES COMPLY.

MET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURES AS WELL THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND AS WELL AS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SUBDIVISION.

AND THOSE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS ARE IN REGARDS TO LOT DESIGN, THE STREET DESIGN, EASEMENT DESIGN AS WELL AS BLOCK DESIGN.

SO STAFF WAS ABLE TO FIND THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BASED ON THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, FORWARD THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE AND AVAILABLE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I DID PROVIDE A LOT MORE BACKGROUND DETAIL ON THE TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT AND THE STAFF SUMMARY, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO HIGHLIGHT OR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE JUST LET ME KNOW. OKAY.

THANKS, TIFFANY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, I SEE SOME HANDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WENT UP FIRST.

SO LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER NORTON.

I THINK CAROL WAS FIRST.

SHE HAD HER HANDS UP, IF YOU WANT TO CALL ON HER FIRST.

OKAY. THANKS A LOT, CAROL.

SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU NOTED THAT THERE WERE NO CORNER LOTS, THAT IT'S ALL OPEN SPACE.

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SO THIS MAY BE JUST A STUPID QUESTION, BUT WHO PAYS THE TAXES? IS THAT THE HOA ON THOSE STREETS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENT PURPOSES LATER DOWN THE ROAD? NO PUN INTENDED.

BUT WHO? IS THAT WHO PAYS THOSE TAXES ON THOSE OPEN SPACE? YES, THE HOA, I MEAN, MOST OPEN SPACE IS REALLY LIMITED THAT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE CORNER LOTS IS THERE'S A SMALL TRACT ADJACENT TO WHERE YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE A CORNER LOT.

SO THAT PUTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S USUALLY A LANDSCAPED TRACT.

IT KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO MEET THE LARGER CORNER SIDE SETBACKS AND THE R1, WHICH CAN ACTUALLY BE QUITE LARGE.

BUT THAT TRACT THEN ALSO PUTS THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR SNOW SHOVELING THE CORNER SIDE ON THE HOA AS WELL.

BUT THEY DO FALL UNDER THE HOA IN TERMS OF TAX FOR PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THAT'S THE OWNER IS.

THANK YOU. MARY, YOUR TURN.

THANKS. HAD A QUESTION WITH REGARD UNDER THE IN THE FIRST FINDINGS UNDER NATURAL RESOURCES, IT MENTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO TRUE UP THE AVERAGING DATA FOR THIS PLAT DURING THE CIVIL PLAN REVIEW AND I KNOW EXPLAINED HOW THE NATURAL RESOURCES ARE KIND OF AVERAGED OVER SEVERAL TRACKS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THIS COMES IN JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THIS BLOCK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING UP FOR SOME MAYBE SOME DEFICIENCIES IN OTHER TRACKS AND HOW THAT'S ALL BALANCING OUT.

AND IF YOU SEE THAT AS POTENTIALLY BEING A FACTOR DOWN THE ROAD AS THIS GETS INTO CIVIL REVIEW.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER NORTON.

I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE IT BEING AN ISSUE NECESSARILY IN CIVIL PLAN REVIEW, OF COURSE.

SO WHAT I MEAN BY TRUING UP IS NOW THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS COMPLETED.

THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME TREES WHEN WORKING IN THE FIELD THAT EITHER GET DAMAGED OR AREN'T SAVABLE, EVEN THOUGH WE WITH ALL BEST INTENTIONS, WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE TREES HERE AND THERE THAT NEED TO GET TRUED UP, BASICALLY IN AN EXCEL SHEET THAT WE'RE KEEPING THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

WHILE THIS SITE IS SLIGHTLY OVER WHERE WE'RE JUST WE'RE NOT MAKING UP RESOURCES ANYWHERE AT THIS POINT.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A LARGE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS BURNED, SO THAT'S KIND OF IN THERE, I GUESS, IN THEIR FAVOR A LITTLE BIT. WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THE BUCK KIND OF GETS PASSED DOWN THE LINE UNTIL WE'RE AT THE LAST SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS STILL ANOTHER PHASE, A WHOLE NOTHER PHASE THAT HAS TO BE PLATTED AND THE DEVELOPER COULD CONTINUE TO PASS THE BUCK UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT.

THAT'S GENERALLY HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON IT JUST AS MUCH AS I AM.

OKAY. THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, I KNOW THIS IS OUT OF THE REALM OF MORE OF A MORE OF A COMMENT.

SO BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF THE REALM OF OF A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.

BUT I WAS WONDERING, WITH REGARD TO THE CC&RS SINCE ARIES, I BELIEVE THAT PHASE ONE OF ARIES WAS BUILT BY A DIFFERENT BUILDER AND NOW THIS IS BUILT BY ANOTHER BUILDER.

ARE THEY UNDER SEPARATE CARRIERS? AND IT'S JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW THAT WORKS OUT.

AND I WAS HOPING TO JUST EXPRESS A DESIRE THAT WHEN CARS ARE WRITTEN FOR AEROSPACE, TOO, THAT THEY DO NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS UNDER 30 DAYS, AND THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN THESE HOME SITES AND LOTS ARE SOLD THAT THE BUILDER DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN AUCTION STYLE SALES.

JUST COMMENT ON MY PART.

THANKS, COMMISSIONER NAUGHTON.

I JUST I'M GOING TO COMMENT REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE I PASS IT OFF TO JOHN SUTHERLAND, WHO I'M SEEING HIS LIGHT, LIGHT UP.

I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO SETS OF CC&RS, SO THAT BECAUSE TIMBER SKY IS A MASTER DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S THE LARGER SET OF CC&RS AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISIONS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN SET.

AND SO, JOHN, I'LL PASS THAT OVER TO YOU.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.

JOHN, CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YEAH. JOHN SUTHERLAND, 3605 SOUTH FLAGSTAFF RANCH ROAD.

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I'M WITH CAPSTONE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THIS PARCEL.

AND ACTUALLY, I GOT TO APOLOGIZE.

I WOULD NOT READ THE CC&RS ON THIS COMMUNITY, BUT I BELIEVE THIS PARCEL AND THE FUTURE PARCELS WILL WILL BE ANNEXED INTO THE EXISTING HIGHWAY AND PARTICIPATE WITH THE VIA THE DUES, WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COMMON AREAS AND LANDSCAPING WITHIN TIMBER SKY.

SO YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU FOR SURE WITHOUT HAVING READ THEM.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW OR IF THE CC&RS ADDRESS SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR NOT.

THANKS, JOHN. TIFFANY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IT'S REALLY JUST A CONTEXT QUESTION.

NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE PLOT, BUT CAN I SEE THE MAP THAT HAS ALL THE THE VARIOUS BLOCKS INDICATED? BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS WHAT THE PHASING IS.

IS IT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME TO KIND OF SAY WHAT THOSE PLACES ARE? SURE. SO TIMBER SKY WAS INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED IN FOUR PHASES.

OVERALL, PHASE ONE IS WHERE YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY HAPPENING.

THERE ARE FIVE TOTAL BLOCKS AND FIVE IN PHASE ONE OF THOSE FIVE TOTAL BLOCKS.

ONLY THREE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

TWO REMAIN VACANT WITH NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS SUBMITTED.

THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK THAT WE'RE REVIEWING TODAY IS WITHIN PHASE TWO.

THE DEVELOPER CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE TOGETHER, WHICH IS NOT UNSURPRISING BASED ON THE CURRENT DEMAND FOR HOUSING AND THE CURRENT MARKET.

SO PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE HAVE BEEN COMBINED.

THEY'RE BEING CONVENIENTLY CALLED PHASE TWO.

THOSE THAT PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE INCLUDES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE MORE BLOCKS.

AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST PLAT YOU'RE SEEING OF THOSE FIVE.

TWO OF THE BLOCKS WERE SPLIT, SO SEVEN AND THREE WERE BOTH SPLIT BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE.

AND IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH THE WAY THAT THE EDGE IMPROVEMENTS WERE WORKING OUT.

THERE IS A FUTURE PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER FIVE BLOCKS PROPOSED FIVE BLOCKS.

ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY IS WAS REZONED TO COMMERCIAL.

SO IT MAY INCLUDE SOME FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT HOPEFULLY I HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION ON PHASING.

OKAY. I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS WHICH OF THE BLOCKS WERE PART OF WHICH PHASE.

THAT MIGHT BE TOO COMPLICATED TO GET INTO.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT HELPS.

BLOCKS ONE, BLOCKS ONE, TWO, 3A AND 7A ARE PHASE ONE.

BLOCS 3B AND FOUR WERE PHASE THREE.

BLOCS 7B 5 AND 6 WERE PHASE TWO.

AND AGAIN, PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE ARE COMBINED.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

THAT HELP? YES.

THANK YOU. THIS IS ALSO A CONTEXT QUESTION.

I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY REZONED.

AND I BUT I DO REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT NOW THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY AREA, AS IS THE ONE NEXT TO IT.

SO THOSE WERE NEVER WERE THOSE EVER INTENDED TO BE? I MEAN, THE DISCUSSION I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS ON THE HIGHER DENSITY AREAS. I JUST WONDER IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A GENERAL VIEW OF THAT.

SURE. SO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, VINTAGE, COMMITTED TO PROVIDING 100 LAND TRUST UNITS WITHIN THE TIMBER OVERALL TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE THERE ARE TWO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT TWO SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, AN AMENDMENT AND THE ORIGINAL THAT COVER THIS TOPIC.

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BUT THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATED THAT THOSE LAND TRUST UNITS WERE INTENDED TO BE PROVIDED IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY AND THE HIGH DENSITY ZONED PROPERTIES, BUT THEIR LOCATION IS AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE DEVELOPER.

AS EACH OF THESE BLOCKS MOVE FORWARD, WE ASK WHERE THOSE UNITS ARE TO BE PROVIDED.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT NONE OF THE LAND TRUST UNITS ARE TO BE PROVIDED IN THE 16 LOT SUBDIVISION SIMILAR TO SEVEN A, SO SEVEN B WILL HAVE NONE AND SEVEN A HAD NONE.

OKAY. IN FACT, THESE ARE KIND OF MORE SORT OF I WOULD CALL HIGH END LUXURY HOMES.

IS THAT WOULD YOU SAY? YES, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOTS BETWEEN 8019 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, I WOULD CONCUR THAT THESE WILL BE HIGHER.

OKAY. SO NO AFFORDABLE UNITS HAVE BEEN CREATED FOR DESIGN YET? TO DATE WE HAVE WE HAVE NO LAND TRUST UNITS PROVIDED OUT OF THE TOTAL 138 HOMES.

WELL. NO LAND TRUST UNITS HAVE CURRENTLY BEEN PROVIDED IN THE TIMBER SKY DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN FOR PHASE ONE THAT INCLUDES 20 UNITS OR I'M SORRY, 27 UNITS.

NONE OF THOSE UNITS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO DATE.

OKAY. BUT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THOSE IN THE HIGHER DENSITY AND THE MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY AREAS.

THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT IT IS AT THERE BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT IS AT THEIR SOLE DISCRETION.

OKAY. WELL, I HOPE WE DO SEE THOSE.

ME TOO.

COMMISSIONER NORTON.

THANKS, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT CONVERSATION AND SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS.

IS THE MASTER DEVELOPER VINTAGE PARTNERS STILL INVOLVED? AND SECONDLY, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS SORT OF THE FINAL TALLY OF RESOURCE PROTECTION KIND OF GETS PUSHED ALL THE WAY TO THE END TO THOSE LAST TRACKS WITHIN THE MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY TRACKS.

ARE THERE ANY DEVELOPERS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT ARE HAVING INTEREST? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S COME BEFORE YOU WHERE WE MAY KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE TAKING THAT ON AND HAVING THAT ALL TRUE UP IN THE END? THANKS. WELL, SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES IT ALL TO BE TRUED UP, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE DEVELOPER IS.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CARRIES OVER TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

VINTAGE IS STILL THE OWNER OF THE FUTURE PHASE FOUR.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A COMMENT AT THIS POINT ON.

AND IF NOT, I WILL SEE IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY.

ADDITIONALLY. NO.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS RAISED.

MARY, YOUR HAND, I THINK, IS STILL UP FROM BEFORE, BUT.

OKAY. AND SO I'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE? AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

SO IF THERE IS NOT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION ON THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TIMBER SKY PHASE TWO.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

LET'S SEE. TOO IN WITH PRELIMINARY PLAT PZ 15 00015-22 AREAS AT TIMBER SKY PHASE TWO FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TO BE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR FOR US TO RECOMMEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FINDINGS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

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THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAUL, I'LL SECOND.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL, AH COMMISSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY I AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

AND THAT PASSES AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 5 B, WHICH IS ALSO A PRELIMINARY PLAT, THIS TIME FOR THE

[B. Preliminary Plat: PZ-21-00236-03 Woodshire on Oak Condominiums Woodshire on West Oak, LLC requests Preliminary Plat approval for Woodshire on Oak Condominiums. The subdivision consists of 13 residential condominium units, located at 302 W Oak Avenue. The condominium plat is on 0.89 acres in both Medium Density Residential (MR) and High Density Residential (HR) Zones. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Staff recommends the Planning and Zoning Commission, in accordance with the findings presented in this report, forward the Preliminary Plat to the City Council with a recommendation for approval.]

WOODSHIRE ON OAK CONDOMINIUM PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT. SO WOODSHIRE ON OAK CONDOMINIUMS, PRELIMINARY PLAT.

WHAT'S TIFFANY? IT MIGHT JUST BE ME.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU SPEAKING.

OH, THAT'S BECAUSE I'M MUTED.

OH. OH, OKAY.

I'LL GET. I'M GOING TO GET THERE.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST FROM WOODSHIRE ON WEST OAK LLC FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.

THIS PLOT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU LAST SAW.

THIS IS A CONDOMINIUM SUBDIVISION.

THIS IS WITH 13 DETACHED UNITS ON .89 ACRES IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE SPLIT ZONING ON IT.

THIS PROJECT CAME IN AS A CONCEPT PLAN, WENT THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO 13 UNITS ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS NOW DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONDOMINIUM PLAT SO THAT THE HOMES CAN BE INDIVIDUALLY SOLD EVEN THOUGH THEY'LL REMAIN ON THE SAME UNDERLYING PARCEL OF LAND.

OKAY. SO HERE IS THE VICINITY MAP.

YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE.

IT'S THE BLUE DOTS, 302.

YOU CAN SEE THE SPLIT ZONING ON THIS PARCEL.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT IN THE HR THERE AND MOST OF IT IS IN THE MR ZONE.

SO TO THE NORTH WE HAVE A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

THAT IS THAT ALSO HAS THE SAME SPLIT ZONING DIRECTLY TO THE SORT OF SOUTH IS AN EXISTING.

IT'S IT REALLY WAS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, BUT IT WAS RUN AS A PRESCHOOL FOR A LONG TIME.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANTS OR THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY ON THE PROCESS OF CONVERTING IT BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

YOU HAVE MORE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE MR ZONE AS WELL.

SOME OF THESE ARE THERE'S ONE VACANT PARCEL DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, BUT MOST OF THESE CONSIST OF TWO OR THREE UNITS WITHIN EITHER THE MR OR THE HR ZONE.

SO HERE IS THE WOODSHIRE ON OAK PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO YOU HAVE SEEN SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

THESE UNITS ARE EXIST IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'VE ALL SEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK.

ELAINE HANDLED IT AND IT'S CALLED WOODSHIRE ON BUTLER.

SO YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE UNITS.

IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN BUTLER, YOU'LL SEE SOME HOUSES BEING FRAMED.

THESE ARE THOSE UNITS.

SO THIS IS A IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

THESE UNITS THEMSELVES, THEY ALL TAKE UP THE SAME SPACE, BUT THE UNITS CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3 BEDROOM UNITS, THE CONDO LOT.

WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ON HERE ALSO INCLUDES PARKING SPACES THERE, SURFACE PARKING AREAS.

ALL OF THE UNITS ARE DETACHED.

SO THE CONDOMINIUM IS A REALLY EASY TO CREATE.

IT'S JUST A BASIC AIRSPACE AROUND THE HOME ITSELF.

AND SO EACH OWNER THEN IS IS ESSENTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN UNIT UNDER A CONDOMINIUM CC&R.

SO THIS MEETS THE MINIMUM DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE STANDARDS.

SO THE DENSITY IS THE GROSS IS 14.5 UNITS PER ACRE.

WHERE THE MINIMUM RANGE AND THE MIDDLE IS BETWEEN SIX AND 14 AND IN THE AIR RANGE IS TEN AND 29 AND THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS LESS THAN 35 FEET.

SO THEY ARE JUST THE TWO STORY UNITS.

THE SETBACKS ARE MEASURED ON THE SITE AS A WHOLE BECAUSE REMEMBER, THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO STAY AS ONE PARCEL OF LAND.

SO THEY'RE MEETING THE TEN FOOT FRONT SETBACK, THE FIVE FOOT SIDE AND THE FIVE FOOT REAR SETBACK.

THE SETBACKS ARE CONVENIENTLY THE SAME FOR BOTH THE MR AND THE HR ZONE, WHICH MADE THAT CONVENIENT WHEN DEALING WITH A DUAL ZONE PROPERTY.

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IN TERMS OF HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.

THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING ON SITE, AND THAT EXISTING BUILDING WAS AN OLD MORTUARY.

IT DID GO THROUGH A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, AND MITIGATION IS REQUIRED.

THAT MITIGATION IS CONSISTING OF SOME OF THE STONE AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN ON THE SITE. THERE WILL BE SOME FENCE POSTS AND SOME OTHER OR LANDSCAPE FEATURES THAT WILL INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT OLDER MATERIAL BACK INTO THE SITE. IN TERMS OF PARKS, OPEN SPACE, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FACILITIES, THIS IS A SMALL INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN A MOSTLY DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT OR THE EXISTING OAK AVENUE DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS CURRENTLY.

THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOWEVER, WILL PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE AS IS REQUIRED.

THERE IS THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES ON THE STREET BECAUSE IT IS A SMALLER RESIDENTIAL STREET.

HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN ON SITE BICYCLE PARKING AS REQUIRED IN THE ZONING CODE AND THEY HAVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NEW SIDEWALK THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ALONG OAK AVENUE.

IN TERMS OF THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS, THE PUBLIC SYSTEMS ANALYSIS CONDUCTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS.

SO WE ARE ALREADY REVIEWING CIVIL PLANS.

SITE PLAN HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

SO WE HAVE WE ALREADY HAVE CIVIL PLANS FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IN REVIEW BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONLY 13 UNITS.

IT DID NOT TRIGGER A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT IS MUCH SMALLER INFILL WITHIN A LARGER DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.

SAME IS TRUE FOR WATER AND SEWER.

A WATER SEWER IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT REQUIRED.

HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO UPSIZE AN EXISTING SIX INCH WATERLINE IN OAK, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE UPSIZED TO AN EIGHT INCH LINE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT A NEW FIRE HYDRANT.

THAT IS THE ONLY PARTICULAR PURPOSE FOR THAT UPSIZING OF THAT LINE.

IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, NO NEW STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED AT ALL BECAUSE THE SITE, LIKE I SAID, WAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AND THE MOST OF THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAN THERE WAS WITH THE OLD DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL RESULT IN LESS STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE END.

FINDING NUMBER THREE IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE APPLICANT HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURES AS WELL AS THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.

LIKE I SAID, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE IT'S GONE THROUGH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CONCEPT AND SITE PLAN REVIEW ALREADY.

SO DOING THE SUBDIVISION OF A CONDOMINIUM ADDITIONALLY IS PRETTY MUCH AN EASY STANDARD TO GO.

THIS IS A REALLY EASY CONDOMINIUM PLAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO INTERNAL SPACE THAT NEEDS TO BE MEASURED.

MOST CONDOMINIUMS DEAL WITH AIR SPACE INSIDE OF WALLS.

THIS ONE GETS TO GO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL.

SO IT'S A MUCH EASIER LEGAL DESCRIPTION TO WRITE.

AND HERE WE ARE WITH THE REQUIRED FINDINGS.

AND AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL TRY TO BE AVAILABLE AND I KNOW AT LEAST THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO TRY TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANKS, TIFFANY. LET'S SEE, CAROL, I'M GOING TO GUESS YOU WERE FIRST.

I THINK SO.

I JUST I THINK WE ALMOST GOT IT AT THE SAME TIME.

NO, I SAY KIND OF ALL AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.

AND SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT'LL BE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE SO THAT WE CAN HOUSE MORE MEDIAN INCOME PEOPLE IN THIS PROPERTY.

AND WITH THEM BEING CONDOMINIUMS, I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT WILL OCCUR.

JUST MY COMMENTS, WHICH HAVE NO BEARING ON HOW I VOTE ON THIS MOTION WHEN A MOTION IS MADE.

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OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER NORTON.

THANK YOU. I HAD SOME MAJOR CONCERNS IN FINDING ONE ABOUT THE PARKING WITH ONLY 25 SPACES.

BASICALLY, I KNOW IT WAS 29 BASED ON THE UNIT COUNT, PLUS THE REDUCTION FOR BIKE PARKING AND PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.

BUT WITH THESE BEING TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS, IT REALLY GETS IT DOWN TO JUST LESS THAN TWO CARS FOR EACH UNIT. AND TWO OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE ADA.

WHERE WILL THE ADDITIONAL PARKING BE AVAILABLE? I'VE DRIVEN ON OAK STREET.

I SAW THE SITE.

YES, IT'S A SMALL, OLDER RESIDENTIAL STREET.

THERE IS STREET PARKING, BUT I JUST SEE A FUTURE PROBLEM WITH WITH PARKING WHEN THERE'S A TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNIT AND THESE ARE ALL TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS. AND I WISH THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE COME IN INSTEAD OF RIGHT AT THE MINIMUM PARKING PARKING SPACES.

I SURE WISH I WOULD SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE GENEROUS.

I WONDERED IF THEY CONSIDERED DELETING A UNIT TO MAKE MORE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THE UNITS THAT WILL BE THERE.

SO THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERN.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER NORTON, I DID WANT TO RESPOND BECAUSE YOU WERE EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE FINDING.

THE FINDING IS THAT IT MUST BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE AND THEIR CURRENT PARKING SHOWN IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, IN CASE THERE WAS AN ISSUE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE A DESIRE TO SEE MORE PARKING, BUT THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING CODE.

NO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

I GUESS I'M I'M UNHAPPY WITH THAT.

IT SNEAKS IN IT JUST AT MINIMUM.

AND THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME PARKING ISSUES HERE FOR THESE RESIDENTS AND THE NEARBY RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT.

IT SQUEAKS IN AND DOESN'T MEET THE CODE.

YES. AND COMMISSIONER NORTON, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS OUR EFFORT TO WE'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN AND THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY, AS WELL AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EMERGENCY.

AND SO I WILL TELL YOU MORE AND MORE, YOU JUST AS A JUST AS AN UPDATE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PARKING, TAKING A BACKSEAT TO THOSE TWO PRIMARY TOPICS.

SURE. I UNDERSTAND.

AND I REALIZE THAT THERE'S A WALKABILITY FACTOR HERE.

AT LEAST IT'LL BE DECENT FOR NOW, UNTIL THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS MOVES.

THEN IT MAY NOT BE QUITE AS INVITING TO BE WALKABLE.

AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COMMENT KIND OF TO TAG ON TO COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

I WAS HOPING THAT THESE ARE MORE AFFORDABLE, THAT THE CCAR HAS DONE A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS TO GIVE OUR LOCAL WORKFORCE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THESE HOMES TO ASSIST IN THAT HOUSING CRISIS.

SO THAT, I THINK ENDS MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I WAS WONDERING IF THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR PROJECT AND MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE.

THANK YOU CHAIR JONES THIS GUILLERMO CORTEZ WITH SWI ENGINEERING 110 WEST DALE.

NO, I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD COMMENTS AND SOME THAT THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THEM.

I THINK TIFFANY IS CORRECT.

I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A WALKABLE SITUATION.

WE DO HAVE SOME AVAILABILITY IN BETWEEN UNITS.

IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE, THERE COULD BE SOME ADDED SPOTS.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK WITH THE CLIMATE ACTION, WE'D RATHER NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL NOT BE USED AND ADD TO ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREA AND SO FORTH. SO AND YEAH, THE IDEA IS THESE ARE 1000 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT HOMES SO THAT THEY WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE, OBVIOUSLY NOT 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND SO FORTH.

SO YEAH, WE EXPECT THAT THESE WILL BE AT A LOWER PRICE POINT THAN YOUR TYPICAL 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOT HOME.

THANK YOU AND AS CONDOMINIUMS THE WAY THAT THAT WOULD IMPLY THESE ARE OWNERSHIP.

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COMMISSIONER JONES OR TERRY JONES? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER NORTON.

BECAUSE THEY'RE OWNER SHIPPED AND THEY'RE CC&RS DO WE KNOW IF THEY INTEND TO LIMIT SHORT TERM RENTALS TO THE 30 DAY OR THAT THEY ONLY BE OVER 30 DAYS? COMMISSIONER NORTON AT THIS POINT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER MANDINO.

YEAH, IT'S MY HOPE FOR THE UNITS ARE THAT THEY'RE AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES TO LIVE IN AND THAT THEY DON'T BECOME RENTALS TO NAU STUDENTS.

BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT THAT'S JUST MY HOPE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

AND SO THAT FOR THE PARKING PURPOSES, IF A FAMILY IS LIVING THERE AND IT'S A THREE BEDROOM UNITS, THEY MAY HAVE KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 16.

SO THE PARKING TO ME ISN'T A HUGE ISSUE AND THAT I'M HOPING THAT IT'S MORE TOWARD FAMILY RENTAL AND MODERATE FAMILY RENTALS HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.

THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER MANDINO, THAT'S OUR HOPE.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE ENGINEERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR HOMES ALSO FOR THAT MEDIUM SIZED HOUSE.

SO THAT'S THE HOPE IS HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A LOT OF OUR LOCAL PROFESSIONALS AND WORKFORCE BUYING THESE HOMES.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL ASK IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE.

PLEASE SPEAK UP OR RAISE YOUR HAND.

NO MA'AM, DO NOT SEE ANYTHING SO WE WOULD BE READY FOR A MOTION FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MANDINO, AND I WILL MOVE THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT PZ-21-00236-0 WOODSHIRE ON OAK CONDOMINIUMS BE FORWARDED TO, DOES THIS HAVE TO BE FORWARDED TO CITY? YEAH TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIRED FINDINGS PRESENTED IN THE REPORT AND BY STAFF.

OKAY AND DROPPED A THREE AT THE END OF THAT THAT CASE NUMBER.

BUT I'M SURE YOU GOT THAT.

AND IS THERE A SECOND.

SHERMAN JONES IS ALEX MARTINEZ, I'LL SECOND IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NAY. AND DID WE GET AN IDENTIFICATION ON EVERYBODY? DO WE NEED IDENTIFICATION FOR WHO VOTED FOR IT? SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN YOU VOTE NO, THAT YOU CITE WHAT FINDING IS NOT MET.

I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER ONE FINDING.

OKAY. WELL, THE MOTION DOES PASS.

AND SO THAT'S IT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.

I HAVE ONE ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP.

[6. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]

FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION.

THERE WAS IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE USE THE MEETING CHAT AND WHETHER WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER ANY COMMENTS MADE IN THE CHAT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

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I KNOW THAT I KEPT THE CHAT OPEN THIS TIME SO THAT I CAN WATCH IT.

IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO MAKE SURE YOU CATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SCREENS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO INVITE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO TO SPEAK UP ON THEIR VIEWS ON THAT.

TIFFANY, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS UP AND ALEX IS SHE'S OUT OF THE OFFICE THIS WEEK.

AND SO I'M HERE JUST KIND OF FILLING IN.

BUT I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE CITY CLERK TO ALL OF US IN HOW WE RUN OUR MEETINGS.

AND IT'S TRUE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL THAT NOTHING NONE OF NONE OF THE RECORD IS IN BECAUSE WE DON'T USE THE CHAT AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC RECORD. WE TAKE SEPARATE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHATEVER'S IN THE CHAT NEEDS TO BE HAS TO BE BASICALLY REPEATED VERBALLY.

SO IT'S VERY TRUE IN COUNCIL MEETINGS WE'RE ASKED TO LIMIT COMMENTS IN THE CHAT TO SEE AND Q COMMENT OR QUESTION? OKAY. THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT IS JUST TO LOOK FOR HANDS RAISE.

WE STARTED OUT DOING Q AND C, BUT WE KIND OF ABANDONED THAT AFTER A WHILE.

THE HANDS ARE RAISED, WHICH SEEMS TO WORK PRETTY WELL AS FAR AS CATCHING PEOPLE.

YES. AND HANDS RAISED IS FINE, TOO, BUT THE CHAT SHOULD ONLY BE LIMITED TO C OR Q, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MEETING IS STREAMED TO THE PUBLIC, THEY CANNOT SEE THE CHAT.

OF COURSE, AS A CHAIR I WILL DO PLAN TO KEEP THE CHAT OPEN SO THAT IN CASE ANYTHING DOES COME THROUGH, I CAN KEEP MY EYE ON IT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION BEHIND NOT USING THAT, BUT I'LL KEEP MY EYE ON IT JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT CLEAR, ESPECIALLY THIS WAS A SMALL MEETING TODAY, BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN GET PRETTY INVOLVED.

AND SO I'M JUST TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW.

AND IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO.

TO COMMENT ON THIS.

YEAH, I HAVE MY HAND UP THIS COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE.

NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN IN A COVID ENVIRONMENT LONG ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE.

SO AS COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE HAVE A RIGHT AND A DUTY TO TALK PERSUASIVELY AND COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY.

SO TOWARDS THAT END, I MYSELF WOULD PREFER THAT IF IT DOESN'T CREATE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR STAFF, THAT WE TREAT PEOPLE RESPECTFULLY WHO COMMENT WITHIN THIS ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE.

AND, AND THAT IF IT BECOMES AN UNDUE PROBLEM REPEATING WHAT IS PUT IN THE CHAT, THEN WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.

BUT THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

WE ARE IN A COVID ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO BEST EMULATE GOOD COMMUNICATION PRACTICES, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CHAT IS FOR.

SECONDLY, I THINK WE HAVE TO INSIST ON RESPECTFUL AND DIGNIFIED COMMUNICATION AT ALL TIMES, AND I DID NOT FEEL THAT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GUTHRIE, FOR SPEAKING UP ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT COMMENT.

AND I WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE TONE OF HOW WE COMMUNICATE.

AND AS I SAY, I WILL DEFINITELY KEEP THE CHAT OPEN JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE IT IS IT CAN BE CONFUSING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT HOW THINGS GET COMMUNICATED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND I APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND I WONDER IF THE STAFF HAS ANY ANYTHING FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.

I SEE THE COMMISSIONER NORTON HAS HER HAND UP.

OH, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF FOR TAKING MY COMMENT FROM THE LAST MEETING INTO CONSIDERATION.

I JUST APPRECIATE THEM CHANGING THE METHOD OF THE WAY THAT THE P AND Z RECOMMENDATIONS ARE POSTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA MATERIALS SO THAT IT REFLECTS OUR ACTUAL DECISIONS AFTER OUR MEETING AND REMOVES ANY ASSUMPTIONS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I SAW THAT AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LIST?

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MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? NO. AND I MEAN ALEX'S AGAIN OUT THIS WEEK.

I WE JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING TO HAVE A MEETING ON MAY 25TH.

I KNOW THE ZONING CODE MANAGER WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD ONE ITEM.

WELL, IT'S IT'S A WORK SESSION ITEM TO DISCUSS TWO POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENTS IN REGARDS TO MARIJUANA ESTABLISHMENTS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. IS THERE A MONTH THAT WE USUALLY DO NOT HAVE MEETINGS AS WE DO? DO WE USUALLY NOT HAVE MEETINGS IN JULY, OR IS THAT KNOWN YET? NO, WE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACTUALLY DOESN'T GO ON A HIATUS LIKE COUNCIL DOES.

SO CITY COUNCIL GOES ON BREAK IN JULY.

THEY'RE GOING ON BREAK IN JULY AND AUGUST.

SO THEIR LAST MEETING, THEIR LAST REGULAR MEETING IN JULY WILL BE JULY 5TH AND THEIR FIRST REGULAR MEETING AFTER JULY 5TH WILL BE SEPTEMBER 6TH.

WE TEND TO SEE A LULL IN THOSE SUMMER MONTHS AS WELL JUST BECAUSE OF THAT COUNCIL BREAK.

BUT WE JUST DON'T SCHEDULE P&Z WHEN THERE'S NOTHING TO SCHEDULE.

BUT I'M GOING TO BE BOTHERING YOU A LOT BECAUSE I KNOW HAVE LOTS OF ZONING CODE TEXT MOMENTS.

OH, YAY.

I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

OKAY. WELL, I GUESS THAT'S THEN AND CALLED A MEETING TO CLOSE.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.