[1. CALL TO ORDER NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

ALL RIGHTY. I WILL CALL THIS WEDNESDAY, MAY 18TH, MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO ORDER AT 4 P.M.

AND WE WILL TAKE ROLL CALL.

THANK YOU. AND AS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING DATING BACK

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

TO THE FALL, WE DECIDED TO FOLLOW COUNCIL'S LEAD AND ADD A LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

AND I'LL READ THAT NOW.

THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS BROUGHT A MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM THEIR LEGACY, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE IS HOME.

AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL TAKE IT NOW.

SARAH, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING? NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE BUT THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF IN THE MEETING RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS THE MARCH 16TH MEETING.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the Minutes of the March 16, 2022 Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

A SECOND WAVE OF EMOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED.

I WILL ABSTAIN SINCE I WASN'T PRESENT.

[B. May Hicks Home PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 13 S Leroux St Assessor's Parcel Number: 10041010B Property Owner: Clayton Flagstaff LLC Scottsdale AZ Applicant: Max Frenkel, operations manger Clayton Co. City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: This is a request by the applicant for review and accept the Phase 1 and 2 Cultural Resource Study (CRS) as full mitigation provided by the CRS. The Study was commissioned by Clayton Companies of Scottsdale, AZ and prepared by Cornerstone Environmental Consulting, LLC of Flagstaff AZ. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approval with Condition: Accept the combined Phase 1 & 2 Cultural Resource Study with the condition of additional mitigation. The applicant is to finalize appropriate mitigation by working in conjunction with the Heritage Preservation Officer (HPO). (See recommended motion in Staff Report)]

AND WE'LL MOVE INTO THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC SORRY, THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA AT THIS POINT.

WE'VE SWITCHED THE ORDER OF ITEMS A AND B, SO ITEM B WILL GO FIRST.

THIS IS THE MARY HICKS HOME, 13 SOUTH LARUE AND I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM AS I AM THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPER IS A FAMILY FRIEND.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER DALE.

VICE CHAIR DALE.

HI SORRY, YES SO THIS IS OUR.

LET ME QUICKLY PULL UP THE AGENDA HERE.

THIS IS OUR SORRY.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS ON THE. OH, THERE IT IS.

IT'S THE SECOND. SO THIS IS OUR ITEM ON THE MARY HICKS HOME AT 13 SOUTH LARUE STREET.

DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS JOSH EDWARDS.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY.

I WILL PROCEED WITH MY PRESENTATION AND I HAVE PARED IT DOWN AS WE HAVE LIMITED TIME.

THIS IS A REALLY COOL PROJECT.

IT'S A RESEARCH AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.

I'M GOING TO DO A VERY INFORMAL PRESENTATION TO TRY TO JUST KIND OF GIVE A BACKGROUND ON MARY HICKS AND KIND OF NOT TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED AS MUCH. SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT HER SINCE SHE WAS SUCH A NEAT LADY.

HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE THERE ON SOUTH LEROUX, JUST SOUTH OF PHOENIX.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES PRETTY QUICK.

I THINK YOU GUYS READ THE REPORT.

IT'S IN THE FLAGSTAFF SOUTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WAS PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT DISTRICT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RAILROAD ADDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PARTICULAR.

THESE LOTS AND THE PROPOSED PROJECT GOES TO THE NORTH INTO THE RAILROAD ADDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT UP TO PHOENIX.

ALBINA HICKS, VERY NEAT LADY WHO TO SUMMARIZE [INAUDIBLE] OWNED THE ENTIRE BLOCK BY 1913. JOHN HICKS, MAY, THESE ARE MAY HICKS PARENTS ALSO KNOWN AS JUDGE JOHN.

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HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE HICKS BOARDING HOUSE BUILT IN 1902 AND THE ST ANNE'S APARTMENTS BUILT IN 1892.

TO PUT IT INTO CONTEXT, SINCE THESE ARE ALL WITHIN THE BLOCK.

AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF A CURRENT PICTURE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED BUT ARE BEING RESEARCHED A LITTLE BIT HERE.

THERE'S SOME. ADVERTISEMENTS.

1911, 1901 PHOTOGRAPH OF SANDS APARTMENTS.

THIS IS ALBINA AND MAY IN 1911, IN FRONT OF THE HICKS BOARDING HOUSE AND ON THE BACK OF ONE OF THESE PHOTOS, MAY NOTES THAT THAT'S THE HOUSE WHERE SHE GREW UP.

THAT'S THE BOARDING HOUSE TODAY.

IT'S KNOWN AS THE HICKS ROOMING HOUSE, THE HICKS BOARDING HOUSE AND SEVERAL OTHER NAMES.

SO MAY HICKS WAS BORN IN FLAGSTAFF IN 1888.

SOME PICTURES OF HER FROM 1890 AND 1896.

IT WAS THE 1897 PHOTO OF MS. DUTTON'S CLASS.

I THINK MAY IS THE THIRD FROM THE RIGHT ON THE BOTTOM, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

IT LOOKS LIKE HER.

SHE WAS A MEMBER OF THE FIFTH GRADUATING CLASS FROM NORTHERN NORMAL SCHOOL OF ARIZONA IN 1905, AND HER SENIOR THESIS WAS TITLED EDUCATION AND FLAGSTAFF, AND IT WAS LATER FEATURED IN THE COCONINO SUN AND THAT HANDWRITTEN THESIS AS PART OF THE ARCHIVAL DOCUMENTATION AT THE SPECIAL COLLECTIONS.

IN 1908, SAN DIEGO.

SHE GRADUATED FROM USC COLLEGE OF MUSIC IN 1909.

AND EVENTUALLY MET JOHN HICKS, WHO BECAME HER HUSBAND.

I THINK PROBABLY THIS PHOTO OF THE NATIONAL GUARD OF ARIZONA IN FRONT OF THE FLAGSTAFF RAILROAD DEPOT WAS MAYBE TAKEN BY MAY HICKS, MAYBE NOT SINCE SHE WAS A PHOTOGRAPHER.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.

THE COMMERCIAL HOTEL ON THE LEFT IS AT THE OLD DEPOT.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MAY HICKS IS SO NEAT IS BECAUSE SHE CREATED ONE OF, IF NOT THE FIRST ARIZONA STATE FLAG.

THE 1998 ARIZONA STATE ARCHIVIST DAVID HUBER RESEARCHED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARIZONA STATE FLAG AND WROTE A LETTER TO GENE COLLINS OF KLEIN LIBRARY WHERE THE FLAG WAS AT THAT TIME, DOCUMENTING HIS FINDINGS AND STATING THAT HE DIDN'T THINK HE HAD EVIDENCE OF WHO ACTUALLY MADE THE FIRST FLAG. MAYBE FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

TWO PIONEER WOMEN, MAY HICKS CURTIS HILL, WHO WAS THAT'S MAE HICKS NAME BY THE TIME SHE PASSED, AND NAN HAYDEN, WHO WAS THE WIFE OF CARL HAYDEN, BOTH LAY CLAIM TO THE DISTINCTION OF TAKING A ROUGH SKETCH FROM CAPTAIN CHARLES HARRIS AND TRANSFORMING IT INTO THE FLAG THAT WAS EVENTUALLY ADOPTED BY THE STATE IN 1917.

IT STARTED WHEN IN 1911, MAYS, I GUESS IT WAS NOT QUITE HER HUSBAND YET.

HER BOYFRIEND, FRANK, COMPETED WITH THE ARIZONA NATIONAL GUARD RIFLE TEAM.

AT A COMPETITION IN KENT PERRY, OHIO, WHERE THEY REALIZED THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FLAG FOR ARIZONA AND FRANK WROTE A LETTER BACK TO MAY ASKING HER TO MAKE A FLAG.

THIS MAY DRAPED IN THE FLAG THAT SHE MADE.

SHE WENT, MADE THAT AND THEN WENT TO THE WENT TO THE COMPETITION.

THERE'S THE LETTER OR MY TRANSCRIPTION OF THE LETTER THAT FRANK WROTE.

KIND OF JUST GO PAST THAT STUFF QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS PHOTO HERE IS TAKEN AT THE COMPETITION, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY NAN HAYDEN'S FLAG IN THE BACK, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAR THERE IS A SOLID RED STRIPE THAT GOES ACROSS, AND THAT'S HOW NAN'S FLAG WAS DESCRIBED.

HOWEVER, WE CAN SEE FROM CURRENT FLAGS OF ARIZONA THAT THAT STRIPE IS NOT THERE AND THEY APPEAR TO BE LIKE MAY HICKS FLAG.

MAY AND FRANK GOT MARRIED IN 1913 IN FLAGSTAFF AND THAT'S A VERY FLAGSTAFF WEDDING PHOTO RIGHT THERE.

AND THEY REALLY LIKED CAMPING AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES A LOT.

THIS PHOTO IS OF THEM POSSIBLY IN OAK CREEK CANYON, 1915.

HERE THEY ARE HAVING A PICNIC IN 1915.

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AND THIS LOOKS LIKE MAY DRIVING THE SAME CAR ON THE LEFT IN FRONT OF THE WEATHERFORD.

IT'S ALSO 1915.

SHE WAS A MEMBER OF THE METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND VERY ACTIVE IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WON'T GO INTO RIGHT NOW.

UNFORTUNATELY, FRANK DIED IN 1918 OF SPANISH FLU.

MAY REMARRIED JOHN HILL IN 1927.

AND THIS IS A 1964 PHOTO OF THE MAY HICKS CURTIS HOUSE.

TO LEAD US INTO THE PROPERTY THAT IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION.

AND I'M KIND OF GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE PHOTOS, THESE MAPS A LITTLE BIT PRETTY QUICKLY.

BUT STARTING IN 1892, WE CAN SEE THAT THE MAY CURTIS HOUSE IS NOT THERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS IN THE PROJECT AREA.

1901. YOU CAN SEE ST ANNE'S LODGING HOUSE IS THERE, THE TOP CENTER.

THESE ARE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS.

THIS IS A FLAGSTAFF PLAT MAP.

AND WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT IT IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT BY 1909, THAT ENTIRE BLOCK IS OWNED BY ALBINA HICKS.

THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY THERE.

I THINK PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MASTER'S THESES AND PROBABLY A COUPLE OF BOOKS COULD BE WRITTEN ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN THIS HISTORIC BLOCK OF FLAGSTAFF.

SO WE TRIED TO DO IT JUSTICE.

THIS IS THE EARLIEST PHOTO OF THE HOUSE ON THE FAR LEFT HERE.

YOU CAN SEE 1913.

IT WAS ABOUT THE YEAR IT WAS BUILT AND PRIOR TO THE ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONLY ONE CHIMNEY ON THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.

AND THIS 1916 SANBORN MAP DOES SHOW.

THE HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

WE HAVE A 1959 AERIAL DEPICTING THE HOUSE.

IN HIS LOVELY 1964 PHOTOS OF MAE AND HER LAST HUSBAND, JOHN HILL, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THEY LIVED UP TO THE SIXTIES.

AND THEN MAY DIED AROUND 1970 IN FLAGSTAFF.

THIS IS 1964, SIDE BY SIDE WITH 2022 PHOTO OF THE HOUSE TO KIND OF SHOW THAT THEY REALLY LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR.

NOT A WHOLE LOT HAS BEEN DONE.

THE STUCCO THAT WAS ADDED TO THE HOUSE PER INTERPRETATION OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IS YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE 1964 PHOTO.

AND SOME SMALL CHANGES THAT [INAUDIBLE] SEE ON THE FRONT GABLE OF THE HOUSE IS NOW A WINDOW AND YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE ATTIC ANYMORE.

DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ALTERED, BUT STILL REALLY ARE MOSTLY ALL THERE AND RETAIN THEIR CHARACTER.

ANOTHER SHOT OF THE HOUSE IN 2022.

IT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

I WANTED TO AND BY BEFORE I TAKE QUESTIONS HERE BY POINTING OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WOULD MIGHT BE GOOD TO KNOW FOR THE COMMISSION IS ONE THAT THE COUNTY TAX ASSESSMENT LISTS, RECORDS AND ROLES USED TO BE IN FLAGSTAFF AND WERE JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO MOVED TO PHOENIX AT THE ARIZONA THE STATE LIBRARY.

THEY'RE NOT DIGITIZED YET.

AND THIS PROJECT, WE DIDN'T REALLY NEED THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION ON IT.

BUT OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE NOT FAMOUS PEOPLE THAT WERE STUDYING AND OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT AS PROMINENT, THOSE TAX ROLLS WOULD REALLY HELP. SO IF THERE IS ANY WAY THAT WE COULD GET THOSE SCANNED OR YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEAS, THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO ARCHIVISTS AND RESEARCHERS.

AND ALSO THE MAY HICKS CURTIS HILL COLLECTION AT CLYNE LIBRARY IS AN EXTENSIVE COLLECTION AND WE COULDN'T SEARCH THE ENTIRE THING, MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE'S SEVEN BOXES OF PHOTOS AND SLIDES.

WE LOOKED THROUGH THE ONE BOX OF DOCUMENTATION, BUT I THINK A REALLY NEAT PROJECT FOR A GRAD STUDENT OR SOMEONE WITH A GRANT OR SOMETHING WOULD BE TO DIGITIZE THOSE PHOTOS BECAUSE MAY'S FIRST HUSBAND WORKED AT THE OBSERVATORY AND LEARNS DARKROOM TECHNIQUES

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PROBABLY FROM HIM.

I'M ASSUMING INTERPRETING THAT SHE LEARNED THOSE FROM HIM AND GAINED THAT INTEREST AND THEN TOOK A LOT OF GREAT PHOTOS.

THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.

HORSE RACE WITH OLD MAN IN THE BACKGROUND.

AND THIS PHOTO, WHICH I'VE SEEN BEFORE AND DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT MY HICKS TOOK THIS PHOTO.

BUT IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE COOLEST PHOTOS OF SAN FRANCISCO STREET YOU COULD IMAGINE.

ALSO, THERE'S A CURTIS FAIRCHILD COLLECTION AT ARIZONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN TEMPE THAT ALSO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RESEARCH DIRECTLY, ONLY THINGS THAT WERE ONLINE.

BUT THERE ARE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE HICKS FAMILY, ALBINA, JOHN, FRANK AND MAY THAT COULD REALLY HELP US UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF FLAGSTAFF A LOT BETTER, ESPECIALLY THE MAY HICKS CURTIS HILL COLLECTION AT CLYNE LIBRARY.

I WILL LEAVE IT THERE.

AND I KIND OF WHIZZED THROUGH THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, JOSH. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE PRESERVATION OFFICERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, I CAN.

IF THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH, I CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.

SO. WERE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JOSH? WELL, JOSH, THIS IS CHARLIE.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT YEAH A LOT OF REALLY GREAT HISTORY HERE.

COULD YOU RUN THROUGH I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND RUN THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR ASSESSMENT OF INTEGRITY.

YOU HAVE IT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN AND THEN JUST KIND OF YOUR CONCLUSIONS ABOUT HOW IT FITS IN.

EVEN THOUGH YOU TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL VERSUS DISTRICT ELIGIBILITY AT THE END OF YOUR REPORT, HOW THOSE THINGS TIE TOGETHER.

YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF A FUN PART FOR ME BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A NERD WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF.

BUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS ALWAYS A LEARNING PROCESS, AND I NEVER KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO END UP WITH THESE TO BEGIN WITH AT THE END. AND WE CAME UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALREADY LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE SOUTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

DEFINITELY STILL CONTRIBUTES THE BAR FOR HAVING SOMETHING CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT IS LOWER THAN HAVING IT BE INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE.

AND BASICALLY THE CRUX OF THE WHOLE INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE ARGUMENT IS THE STUCCO.

THE STUCCO COVERING CLAPBOARD CHANGES, THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T THINK IT'S INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE.

NOW THESE ARE KIND OF MOOT POINTS SINCE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED.

BUT INTERESTING TO TALK ABOUT, AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO HEARING EVERYONE'S OTHER IDEAS ABOUT IT.

BUT AND WE SAID NOT INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE AT THE NATIONAL OR STATE LEVEL, I THINK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION.

IF YOU GUYS THOUGHT IT WAS ELIGIBLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, I'M OPEN TO THAT IDEA.

AND I WROTE THAT IN THE IN THE REPORT AS WELL.

I'M NOT SURE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

YEAH, A LITTLE BIT. I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF YEAH I GUESS HOW THIS HOW THE BUILDING FITS INTO THE DISTRICT IN GENERAL AND WHERE LIKE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SETTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. [INAUDIBLE] YOU OVER THAT IN THE REPORT, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

THE BUILDING FITS INTO THE DISTRICT AS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AND WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT BLOCK.

I THINK LOOKING AT IT WITH THE BLOCK, WE COULD USE SEVERAL DIFFERENT HISTORIC CONTEXTS TO EVALUATE IT.

FOR ONE THING, THE NATIONAL OLD TRAILS ROAD, ROUTE 66, WENT RIGHT THROUGH PHOENIX UNTIL 1949, I THINK.

AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE IN THOSE GREAT HISTORIC CONTEXTS.

BUT WE FELT LIKE THE SOUTH SIDE HISTORIC CONTEXT WAS THE BEST ONE, GAVE REALLY GOOD DIRECTION AND USING NATIONAL CRITERIA AND CRITERIA A AND C IS HOW WE EVALUATED THEM.

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I THINK ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS MAY HICKS, ALBINA, THEY WERE SUCH NEAT PEOPLE.

MAY IS WHO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AND FRANK AS WELL.

THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF.

AND IF WE WANTED TO EVALUATE UNDER [INAUDIBLE] CRITERION B FOR BIG PEOPLE, IMPORTANT PEOPLE, WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT WANT TO EVALUATE THE HOUSE UNDER THAT CRITERION BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PLACES LIKE THE HICKS BOARDING HOUSE THAT PROBABLY ARE MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE NOMINATED UNDER CRITERION B.

BUT IT IS IT IS INTERESTING AS AS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE IN THAT AREA.

BY THE END OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IN 1947.

IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MANY RESIDENTIAL HOUSES.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS TREND OF TRANSPORTATION ALONG THE NATIONAL OLD TRAILS ROAD.

AND PROBABLY THERE IS A TRAIL THERE ALONG THE RIO BEFORE NATIONAL OLD TRAILS HIGHWAY WAS PUT IN.

THAT'S HOW THEY MADE A LOT OF THOSE ROADS WERE ALONG TRAILS.

SO WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF TRANSPORTATION ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING, AND THAT'S REALLY THE CHARACTER OF THAT BLOCK IS ITINERANT RESIDENTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE WORKERS COMING IN AND OUT OF FLAGSTAFF.

SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD EVALUATING THIS RESIDENTIAL HOUSE THAT KIND OF SITS THERE, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT MAKES IT PRETTY SPECIAL BECAUSE IT IS THIS HOUSE THAT MAY AND HER LAST HUSBAND LIVED IN UNTIL THE SIXTIES AND OWNING THE ENTIRE BLOCK.

AT THAT POINT, I FEEL LIKE THEY COULD HAVE PROBABLY LIVED ANYWHERE.

THEY COULD HAVE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THEY CHOSE TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE.

THEY LOVE THAT HOUSE AND IT'S A MODEST LITTLE HOUSE.

AND THEY JUST I THINK THAT'S A REALLY NEAT ASPECT OF THE THING THAT IS THAT THEY LOVED IT SO MUCH AS FAR AS THE SETTING, THE SETTING IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN AROUND EVEN 1947 AND THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANT ENDS.

BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT.

LOST. THE SETTING IS STILL THERE, THE BOARDING HOUSE IS STILL THERE, ST ANNE APARTMENTS IS STILL THERE.

THE USE OF THAT STREET IS STILL SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS, WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE FORTIES.

AND SO IN THAT WAY, THE SETTING IS ONLY IS DIMINISHED BY SOME OF THE MISSING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF THE RESIDENCE AND TO THE SOUTH.

BUT THERE'S STILL REALLY, I THINK, IF.

IF MAY WERE TO WALK UP TO THE HOUSE TODAY, SHE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND BE LIKE, YEAH, I RECOGNIZE THAT'S DEFINITELY THE HOUSE I LIVED IN.

AS FAR AS FEELING AND SETTING.

GREAT. THANKS FOR THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SURE I CAN JUST ADD QUICKLY TO THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, A VERY SIGNIFICANT WOMAN AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN UNDERREPRESENTED GROUP.

CERTAINLY THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF SOMEBODY LIKE ME, HICKS SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED IN FRONT ON THE VACANT PROPERTY. THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS TO THE SITE AS WELL AS THE RIO AND FLOODING.

AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THAT PROJECT AS WELL.

AND IT DOES DICTATE IN ORDER TO HAVE COMPLIANCE THAT THE BUILDING IS REMOVED SO THAT CAN MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE HOME WAS OFFERED TO TOWNSITE LAND TRUST TO BE MOVED.

THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE HOUSE.

THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY VERY REFLECTIVE OF OF MAY HICKS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WITH A LITTLE MORE DETAIL TO IT AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOUBLING OF THE SIZE, IT WAS ONE LARGE ROOM AND I THINK THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF PROBABLY HER SEWING EXPERTISE AND HER PHOTOGRAPHY AS WELL. SO IT DOES REFLECT THAT WHEN YOU SEE NO WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND A WHOLE LOT OF WINDOWS IN ONE LARGE ROOM ON THE BACK. AND I THINK THAT IS KIND OF A UNIQUE ASPECT OF THIS SMALL HOUSE.

I DID MAKE A RECOMMENDED MOTION.

I DO THINK THAT THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO STUDY IS EXTREMELY WELL DONE AND COMPREHENSIVE, CONSIDERING HER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND HER RELATIONSHIP TO PHOENIX AVENUE AND HER MOTHER, THAT

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THERE IS A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL MITIGATION THAT CAN BE REPRESENTED IN SOME WAY AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, A RECOMMENDED MOTION IS IN MY STAFF REPORT.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND THE MOTION IS ON PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT.

IT'S VERY COMPLEXLY WORDED AND WE SHOULD SAY IT AS IT'S WRITTEN.

ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE ANY MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

LET'S SEE, PER THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMBINED PHASE ONE AND TWO CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY WITH THE CONDITION OF ADDITIONAL MITIGATION.

THE APPLICANT IS TO FINALIZE APPROPRIATE MITIGATION BY WORKING IN CONJUNCTION EXCUSE ME, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER.

SET THE CORRECT MOTION MARK.

THAT WAS IN THE DISCUSSION ASPECT.

OOPS. OKAY.

I THINK YOU NEED TO ADD TO THAT MOTION SPECIFICALLY WHAT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION IS REQUIRED FOR IT TO BE COMPLETE.

SO THE ONE THAT'S ON PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT OR SAYS HPO RECOMMENDED MOTION ? THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU READ THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY IN THE BOLDER PRINT AND THEN ADDED SOME LEVEL OF WHAT YOU THINK APPROPRIATE MITIGATION WOULD BE.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A CURRENT MOTION.

WE NEED TO NOT SECOND THIS ONE AND THEN START A NEW MOTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK.

I THINK IF IT HASN'T BEEN AMENDED YET, COMMISSIONER KELLY CAN ADD TO IT OR WITHDRAW IT AND WE CAN START OVER.

COMMISSIONER KELLY, MY APOLOGIES, EVERYONE.

EVERYONE, THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO ME.

I'M JUST NOT SEEING.

I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST DON'T HAVE THE MOST UP TO DATE AGENDA, SO I GUESS I'LL WITHDRAW.

SO EVERYONE CAN START OVER.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THIS ONE'S A COMPLICATED ONE.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER DAY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO. I JUST ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED OUT OF IT.

SO IF YOU'LL JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT, I WILL.

UNLESS SOMEBODY GETS TO IT SOONER.

I HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME, AND THEN I CLICKED AWAY.

SO BUT IF SOMEBODY FINDS IT FASTER, PLEASE PROCEED.

I THINK. I THINK I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

MARK, DO YOU. DOES THE MOTION THAT YOU HAVE HERE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE NECESSARY RECOMMENDED ACTIONS OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THAT ACTION BEING MAYBE SIGNAGE OR SOME SORT OF I GUESS IT SAYS INSTALLATION PIECE THERE.

BUT YES, YOU COULD READ THE MOTION AND THEN YOU COULD ADD TO WHAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE INDICATION. GREG.

SO I'LL TAKE I'LL MAKE I PUT IT ON THE SCREEN IF THAT IS HELPFUL TO ANYONE.

OH, YEAH. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION WITH CONDITION THE SUBMITTED CULTURAL RESOURCES STUDY AS A PHASE ONE AND TWO STUDY MEETING THE SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS OF HISTORIC RESEARCH AND PROPERTY RECORDATION AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE ONSITE MITIGATION ON THE SUBJECT, PARTIAL OR INTEGRATED WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE A PHYSICAL INSTALLATION THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE

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PUBLIC THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE ACHIEVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF MARY HICKS AND INSTRUMENTAL THE WOMAN IN FLAGSTAFF AND STATE HISTORY WITH FINALIZED MITIGATIONS TO BE MONITORED FOR COMPLIANCE BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT MITIGATION WOULD INCLUDE SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE OR RAMADA TYPE INSTALLATION THAT TALKS ABOUT MAY HICKS AND HER LIFE AND LEGACY IN FLAGSTAFF.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND I JUST SECONDS THE MOTION.

I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

THIS IS WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DAY AND A MOVEMENT FROM COMMISSIONER WEBER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE ANY OPPOSED. AND ANY ABSTENTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES AND I PASS CONTROL BACK OVER TO COMMISSIONER CHAIR HAYWARD.

THANK YOU, EMILY.

[A. Riordan Mansion Stone & Mortar Preservation/Restoration Demonstration Project Grant Request PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 1300 SRiordan Ranch St & Mailing Address 409 W Riordan Rd Assessor's Parcel Number: 103-19-001-F Property Owner: Arizona State Parks Applicant: Nikki Lober, Riordan Mansion Park Manager City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: A request for a $10,000 matching Historic Facade Grant for the Riordan Mansion for a $98,000 stone and mortar preservation project. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Recommended Motion: " Approve a $10,000 matching grant for Stone & Mortar Preservation Project at the Riordan Mansion with work in compliance with the US Secretary of the Interior Standards for Preservation that includes a video recordation product produced and provided to the Flagstaff Heritage Preservation Program."]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEIR RE-ORDERED MANSION STONE AND MORTAR PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION DEMONSTRATION PROJECT GRANT REQUEST, AND WILL TAKE EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF PRESENTATION WHICHEVER ONE'S FIRST.

COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST INTRODUCE THIS AS WE ARE PROPOSING UTILIZING THE HISTORIC FACADE GRANT TO ASSIST THE MANSION.

THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE GUIDELINES THAT NOTES THAT IT'S NOT FOR THE USE OF GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

UNLESS THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE EXCEPTION ON THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE WILL BE GETTING A PRODUCT OUT OF THIS EFFORT, CONSIDERING WE HAVE SO MANY STONE BUILDINGS IN FLAGSTAFF AND THEY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION TEAM THAT IS EXPERT ON DEALING WITH HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT WILL MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ON PRESERVATION.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW AND RECORD WHAT TAKES PLACE HERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO OUR PRESERVATION EFFORTS.

WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE REARDEN MANSION TO MAKE A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

CLOVER ARE YOU AVAILABLE? I AM HERE. YES, THANK YOU.

DO YOU NEED US? DO YOU NEED US TO RUN THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU? YES, PLEASE.

OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE THAT? HERE WE GO. THANK YOU.

ALTHOUGH LET'S GO START UP AT THE TOP.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO PROBLEM.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT AND FOR MARC FOR MAKING ME AWARE OF THIS GRANT.

GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OF. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TO REARDON MANSION, BUT WHEN YOU DO COME TO THE PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF FLAGSTAFF PLAT CLINE.

I LOVE THIS QUOTE.

FLAGSTAFF WAS FATHERED BY THE RAILROAD THAT ITS MOTHER WAS THE LUMBER INDUSTRY AND WONDERFUL LITTLE HISTORIC PHOTO OF FLAGSTAFF AND THE LUMBER INDUSTRY WAS THE REARDON'S BUSINESS. THEN NEXT SLIDE.

THE FIRST LUMBER MILL HERE IN FLAGSTAFF WAS AYER LUMBER COMPANY.

EDWARD AYER HIRED DENIS MATTHEW REARDON, AND MATT REARDON BROUGHT HIS YOUNGER BROTHERS, TIMOTHY AND MICHAEL REARDON TO FLAGSTAFF TO HELP HIM RUN THIS LUMBER COMPANY THAT HE BOUGHT WHEN HE BOUGHT EDWARD AYER OUT.

IT BECAME THE ARIZONA LUMBER COMPANY AND THEN LATER THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY.

THEY WERE THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN FLAGSTAFF FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE. THESE BROTHERS WERE VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE BEGINNING OF OUR COMMUNITY HELPING TO, OF COURSE, BUILD THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES HERE, THE GETTING MEDICAL CARE, HAVING A HOSPITAL HERE, GETTING COCONINO COUNTY ESTABLISHED AND SEPARATED OUT OF YAVAPAI COUNTY.

MATT REARDON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NAME OF COCONINO GETTING THE RESEARCH HERE.

THE FORT VALLEY EXPERIMENTAL FORESTATION WAS THE REARDON'S IDEA OF RIDING TO GIFFORD PINCHOT TO GET RESEARCH IN OUR CLIMATE ON OUR TREES.

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CONVINCING LOWELL OBSERVATORY TO BUILD HERE.

GETTING THE NORMAL SCHOOL BUILT.

OF COURSE. NOW, NAU, ALL THESE THINGS GOING ON IN THE REARDON BROTHERS WERE INVOLVED IN HELPING TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN SO WE COULD HAVE THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE. THE BROTHERS, THE YOUNGER BROTHERS IN PARTICULAR DECIDED THAT FLAGSTAFF WAS WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE.

AND THEY MET THEIR WIVES HERE.

THEIR WIVES, CAROLINE AND ELIZABETH METZ, WERE FIRST COUSINS TO THE BABBITS, AND THEY BUILT SIDE BY SIDE HOUSES UP THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE LUMBER MILL ON WHAT IS NOW REARDEN ROAD AND AS THEIR FAMILIES GREW.

NEXT SLIDE. THEY OUTGREW THOSE LITTLE HOUSES AND DECIDED TO BUILD BIGGER.

NEXT SLIDE.

THEY BUILT THE REARDON MANSION IN 1904.

OF COURSE, THEY DIDN'T CALL IT A MANSION.

THEY JUST CALLED IT [INAUDIBLE] RED HOUSE ON A HILL.

AND IT IS A 13,000 SQUARE FOOT DUPLEX.

THE EAST HOUSE WAS OCCUPIED BY TIM AND CAROLINE AND THEIR TWO DAUGHTERS, MARY AND ANNA, AND THE WEST HOUSE OCCUPIED BY MICHAEL ELIZABETH AND THEIR FIVE CHILDREN, BLANCHE, ARTHUR, CLAIRE, ROBERT, RICHARD.

AND THEY THE SECOND THEIR CHILDREN, THE SECOND GENERATION MADE THE DECISION TO DONATE THIS TO ARIZONA STATE PARKS.

NEXT SLIDE. WE WERE OPENED UP AS A MUSEUM IN 1983, GIVING GUIDED TOURS OF THE EAST HOUSE AND THE BILLIARD ROOM THAT CONNECTS THE HOMES. THIS IS THE BILLIARDS ROOM, A 1904 PHOTO AND A MUCH MORE RECENT PHOTO.

AND WE OPENED THE WEST HOUSE TO THE PUBLIC IN 2002.

NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE OPEN DAILY.

WE HAVE THE VISITOR CENTER AND GROUNDS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR A SMALL FEE OF $2 A PERSON.

AND THEN THE GUIDED TOURS ARE AN ADDITIONAL $10 EACH FOR ADULTS, FIVE FOR YOUTH.

AND THEY ARE WE ARE GIVING THEM ON THE HOUR THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE DO ENCOURAGE RESERVATIONS.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OVER HERE YET, GIVE US A CALL, MAKE A RESERVATION AND COME ON OVER.

NEXT SLIDE. IN ADDITION TO OUR GUIDED TOURS, WE ARE STILL ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH IN SO MANY WAYS WITH DOING OUR LECTURE SERIES. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THEM VIRTUALLY FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE RECORDINGS ON OUR WEBSITE.

I'M HOPING TO GET BACK TO GIVING OUR SECOND SUNDAY SPECIAL TOURS.

AND ONE OF THOSE TOURS WAS A HISTORIC MILTON WALKING TOUR.

WE WALKED UP THE STREET TO WHERE THE MILL SAT AND TALKED ABOUT THAT LOCATION AND WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT WAS LEFT TODAY, HOW IT'S CHANGED, TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THERE.

WE DO OUR HALLOWEEN TOURS, PRE TO THE T IN SEPTEMBER AND THE WHISKEY TASTING AT TIM'S TABLE.

AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AT THAT AMAZING LEAF SHAPED DINING ROOM TABLE.

AND ACTUALLY COMING UP NEXT WEEK IS ARCHITECTURE AND ALES.

OUR FRIENDS GROUP REARDON ACTION NETWORK IS WORKING WITH MOTHER ROAD BREWING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, CELTIC HERITAGE SOCIETY.

MOTHER ROAD HAS CREATED A SPECIAL BREW TO HELP SUPPORT THE RESTORATION EFFORTS HERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITING.

THAT'S GOING TO BE MAY 28TH.

AND CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

NEXT SLIDE. AND ANYBODY THAT HAS A HOUSE KNOWS THAT THERE'S A MILE LONG TO DO LIST.

AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY AND NOT KNOCK SOME OF THOSE THINGS OFF THE LIST AROUND HERE.

WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY TO WORK WITH A GREAT GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS, OUR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CREW AND LOVE AND CONTRACTING TO GET SOME PROJECTS DONE. THIS IS A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

WE REBUILT THE PORCH RAILINGS THAT WERE DETERIORATING, THE REMNANTS OF THE OLD BALCONY ON TOP OF THE ROOF.

AND NEXT SLIDE.

AND IN DECEMBER THE WORK BEGAN ON A TO PREPARE THE HOUSE FOR PAINTING OR RATHER STAINING AND LOVE AND CONTRACTING WAS SELECTED FOR THAT, AND THEY REPLACED ALL THE ROTTEN LOG SLABS, SIDING ON THE HOUSE.

AND IT'S JUST SPECTACULAR TO SEE THE HOUSE NOW.

THEY JUST FINISHED STAINING LAST WEEK.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW ON THE EAST SIDE.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO ON THE HOUSE.

WE FOCUS THIS EFFORT ON THE LOG SLAB SIDING, BUT THERE'S MANY MORE VIGAS TO REPLACE AND SHINGLES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND SHIP LEFT SIDING.

BUT OUR NEXT FOCUS AREA IS THE STONEWORK.

NEXT SLIDE. AND AT A GLANCE THAT LOOKS OKAY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE LOOSE ROCKS.

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IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS DRY STACKED SO YOU COULDN'T SEE THE MORTAR.

AND BUT OVER THE YEARS, MORTAR HAS DETERIORATED.

AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW LOOSE ROCKS.

WE HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE ROCKS ARE JUST SITTING THERE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO A LITTLE CLOSER DETAIL THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE HAD CHALLENGES WITH CRITTERS AND PARTICULARLY THE ROCK SQUIRRELS DIGGING THE MORTAR OUT AND LOOSENING UP THE ROCKS FURTHER.

WE DID GET A VERY GRACIOUS DONATION FROM A REARDON FAMILY MEMBER THAT THEY WANT TO SEE STONEWORK REPAIRS DONE.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE USING FOR THE MATCH.

FOR THIS, IF WE GET THESE FUNDS, THEY WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE MOST PRESSING AREAS, WHICH IS THE EAST HOUSE ARCH.

AND AS WE GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL STONEWORK REPAIRS.

NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE GOING TO DOCUMENT THE REPAIRS AND WE WILL BE INTERVIEWING THE CRAFTSMEN THAT WILL BE DOING THE WORK.

WE DO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.

OUR DEVELOPMENT STAFF AT OUR OUR CENTRAL OFFICE FOR ARIZONA STATE PARKS IS IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH ZIPPO.

SO WE WILL BE FOLLOWING ALL THE PROTOCOLS.

WE WILL BE SELECTING A CONTRACTOR THAT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND ONCE THE PROJECT IS DONE, IT WILL BE UP ON OUR WEBSITE AND YOU CAN SEE ON OUR WEBSITE WE DO STILL HAVE A ARTICLE ABOUT RESTORATION OF THE PHOTOGRAPHIC WINDOWS.

SO WE HAVE A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND AND OF COURSE, THANK THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF FOR THE GRANTS SHOULD WE RECEIVE IT.

NEXT SLIDE. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE GO AHEAD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YEAH. MARK, I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WHEN I FIRST SAW THE GRANT WAS HOW IT WOULD FIT IN WITH BEING A GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT PREVIOUSLY.

YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER WEBER, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A MAJOR TOURIST VISITATION SITE AND THAT THE FUNDS THAT ARE UTILIZED ARE BED BOARD AND BEVERAGE TAX.

IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE THAT WOULD BE A USE THAT AGAIN, THIS PLACE GENERATES A LOT OF VISITOR INTEREST AND CONTRIBUTES TO THAT TAX BASE.

I THINK YOU COULD JUST IF SOMEBODY WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION, I THINK YOU COULD JUST READ FROM THAT REQUESTED ACTION.

OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER DAY.

I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE A $10,000 MATCHING GRANT FOR SONA MORTAR PRESERVATION PROJECT AT THE REARDON MANSION WITH WORK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE U.S.

SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION.

THAT INCLUDES A VIDEO RECORD RECREATION PRODUCT PRODUCED AND PROVIDED TO THE FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION PROGRAM.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. ANY ABSTENTIONS.

THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS GENERAL BUSINESS AND A DISCUSSION OF THE

[A. Regional Plan 2045 Discussion (continued) Review the Flagstaff Regional Plan 2030 for its Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, and Threats Go to the website emailed to Commission members, log in, and fill in the Brainstorm step of the Group Map exercise by Tuesday, May 17. Staff will review entries and combine duplicates prior to the meeting. Review the entries as a group at the meeting and prioritize them.]

2045 REGIONAL PLAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER WEBBER IS LEAVING THE MEETING FOR THE RECORD.

HI, EVERYONE.

I KNOW MARCH IS LIKE A CENTURY AGO AT THIS POINT, BUT WE HAVE.

BACK IN MARCH WE DID A PRESENTATION ON THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE, WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT TONIGHT.

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BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS, IS THERE'S COLLECTED FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF YOU THAT WE PUT TOGETHER BASED ON FILLING OUT A DIGITAL WHITEBOARD. AND SO I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER SO IT WAS LEGIBLE AND SHOW YOU THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ENTERED INDIVIDUALLY AS PART OF THE PROCESS OF LOOKING THROUGH THE EXISTING REGIONAL PLAN FOR STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS.

I'M GOING TO SEND IN THE CHAT AGAIN THE LINK TO THIS.

SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO THE DIGITAL WHITEBOARD AGAIN, IN FACT, ALL THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO ARE PRESENT SHOULD BECAUSE I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO HELP PRIORITIZE THE THINGS YOU'VE BRAINSTORMED IN JUST A MOMENT SO THAT LINKS IN THE CHAT.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE DEPENDING ON WHAT BROWSER CLICKING THIS, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU COULD JUST GO TO JOIN GROUP MATCH.COM AND USE THIS SECOND HALF THE THREE TO F PORTION OF IT IN THE BLANK THAT APPEARS ON THAT PAGE.

AND THEN YOU SHOULD END UP AT A PAGE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, WHICH IS YOUR COMBINED CONTRIBUTIONS TO LOOKING THROUGH THE CURRENT REGIONAL PLAN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE ARE, OF COURSE, JUST LEGIBLE FOR YOU.

BUT WOULD YOU LIKE AT ALL TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM? THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE KIND OF WHAT YOUR OBSERVATIONS WERE AND WHY YOU ENTERED MATERIAL THAT YOU HAVE ADDED TO THIS PORTION OF THE WHITEBOARD.

SO THIS IS THE PERIOD FOR OPEN DISCUSSION BEFORE I TAKE YOU ALL ONTO THE NEXT STEP OF THIS EXERCISE.

ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE THAT STOOD OUT TO ME PARTICULARLY WAS THE NATURAL RESOURCE AND CULTURAL RESOURCE MAPS BEING TOO FLUFFY.

THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE BETWEEN LEVEL OF DETAIL AND NOT ENOUGH.

SO DID ANYBODY WHO MADE THAT OBSERVATION WANT TO CHIME IN ON WHAT COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.

OR WHAT YOU WOULD HOPE TO GET OUT OF MORE SPECIFICITY.

I'M SORRY. TAKE THAT AROUND.

MOVE THAT UP TO THE TOP SO YOU GUYS COULD SEE IT.

DON'T BE SHY, PLEASE.

SO SARAH, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I SAID, I'M SORRY.

YOU GUYS ARE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING ME.

NO, I JUST ZONED OUT.

I SAID, WHAT THIS COMMENT IN PARTICULAR ON THE WEAKNESSES SIDE STOOD OUT TO ME THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCE AND CULTURAL RESOURCE MAP WERE FLUFFY AND DIDN'T PROVIDE REAL INFORMATION. THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS A BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING THE PLAN BE TOO SPECIFIC AND HAVING IT BE TO NOT DETAILED ENOUGH.

AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO I WONDERED IF ANYBODY WHO MADE THAT OBSERVATION OR SHARES THAT OBSERVATION WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON IT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT WAS SAID THAT THAT ONE WAS MINE.

THE MAPS AS WE HAVE THEM NOW, I'M JUST GOING TO PULL THEM UP.

I MEAN, WHAT THE CULTURAL RESOURCE MAP IS SOME SORT OF.

YEAH. I CAN PULL IT UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S BASED ON AT ALL.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE.

IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY ACTIONABLE INFORMATION.

YOU'D BE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH SIMPLY A MAP OF, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION DISTRICTS WOULD BE USEFUL TO PEOPLE.

THIS ISN'T DOING ANYTHING THAT ANYONE IS USING IT FOR.

WE DON'T ADDRESS IT IN ANY OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR THING IS HAPPENING WITH THE NATURAL RESOURCES MAP.

AND THEY'RE BOTH YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BOTH TAKEN FROM LEVELS OF INFORMATION THAT ARE TOO NONSPECIFIC

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TO BE USEFUL TO ANYONE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK BACK TO MY OTHER POINT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE USE IT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T.

DOES ANYONE ELSE, ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR ANYONE ELSE USE THE CULTURAL RESOURCE SENSITIVITY MAP? AND WHAT ARE THEY GETTING OUT OF IT? AND THEN HOW CAN WE ADJUST IT FOR THAT? I KNOW, MARK.

I'VE USED IT WHEN I WAS ACTING FOR MARK'S POSITION BEFORE HE WAS HIRED.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ASK SOMEONE FOR A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY ON A PIECE OF VACANT LAND, THEY ALMOST INEVITABLY ARGUE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE. RIGHT.

AND SO I THIS MAP IS BASED ON A DENSITY MODEL THAT WAS CREATED BY CHRIS BARRETT WHEN HE WHO'S A FOREST SERVICE EMPLOYEE BASED ON THE DATA OUT OF [INAUDIBLE].

AND IT IT BASICALLY TIED [INAUDIBLE] DATA TO THE TERRESTRIAL ECOSYSTEM SURVEY DATA, WHICH IS THE SOIL TYPE DATA THAT USDA AND THE FOREST SERVICE GENERATE.

AND THEN HE PROJECTED IT ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE.

SO UNITS THAT HAD VERY HIGH SITE DENSITY WHERE THE DARK RED AND THE LOW DENSITY ONES WERE THE YELLOW.

SO IT'S NOT A PREDICTIVE MODEL.

IT'S A DENSITY MODEL.

BUT IT OCCASIONALLY WOULD TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE IN A HIGHER PROBABILITY AREA.

THAT'S THE COLORS I THINK ARE LISTED AS IS HIGH VERSUS MORE LIKELY VERSUS LESS LIKELY PROBABILITY.

AND THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT PROVIDING AN EXEMPTION ON A SMALLER LOT AND REQUIRING THAT IT HAD A SURVEY.

I DON'T KNOW, MARK, IF YOU'RE USING IT AS FREQUENTLY FOR THAT.

WE'VE GOTTEN MAYBE EVEN SOME BETTER DATA BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND WHEN WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRING THEM RECENTLY.

DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? YEAH, I DO UTILIZE IT JUST AS BUT AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY GENERAL AND I HAVE TO USE BEST JUDGMENT ON DRAINAGES.

I AM STILL PARTICIPATING IN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO TRY TO GET ACCESS BY PRESERVATION OFFICERS AND OTHER PEOPLE TO REALLY BASIC ASIDE INFORMATION, WHICH I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.

I AM TRYING TO WORK HARD TO BE ABLE TO SERVE BETTER PEOPLE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY HAVING TO DO CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES THAT MAY NOT FIND ANY INFORMATION, BUT IT'S A STARTING POINT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S MAYBE THE TERM FLUFF IS CORRECT.

WELL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN THINK ABOUT IS JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS A MAP IN THE REGIONAL PLAN DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS TO BE IN THE REGIONAL PLAN TO SERVE.

LIKE ONCE WE PUT A MAP LIKE THIS IN THE REGIONAL PLAN TO UPDATE IT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PLAN AMENDMENT.

IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH THINKING ABOUT.

THERE'S 28 MAPS IN THE REGIONAL PLAN RIGHT NOW.

DO WE NEED ALL OF THEM? WOULD HAVING FEWER MAPS BE CLEARER AND MAYBE EVEN JUST INCORPORATING OTHER MAPS BY REFERENCE OR KEEPING THEM AS WEB MAPS AS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE ON THE TABLE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM AN APPLICANT STANDPOINT, SOMEONE WHO'S COMING TO TOWN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN I DO, WHAT CAN I NOT DO, WHAT'S GOING TO BE EASIER? WHAT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT? THIS DOESN'T PROVIDE ME THE INFORMATION I NEED TO YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ME ANY INFORMATION TO HELP MAKE THAT DECISION, YOU KNOW.

AND SO, I MEAN, AS SUCH, LIKE YOU SAID, IF NOT HAVING IT GIVES YOU TIME, GUYS, TIME TO WORK ON OTHER THINGS THAT WERE MORE PRESSING THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE, YOU WOULDN'T BE LOSING ANYTHING BY GETTING RID OF IT.

YEAH, WE'D PROBABLY STILL KEEP THE MAP.

IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERESTED, WE'D PROBABLY STILL KEEP THE MAP IN OUR WEB MAP SERIES, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE REGIONAL PLAN UNLESS IT'S ONE OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S USEFUL FEEDBACK FOR SURE.

THE SIGNIFICANT NATURAL RESOURCES SOMEHOW DOESN'T LIKE ME TODAY TO THINK I'M SIGNED IN.

ERROR IS NOT GOING TO LOAD TODAY BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO.

IT JUST WANTED ME TO SIGN IN FOR A SECOND.

THIS ONE IS AN AGGLOMERATION OF DATA FROM THE FOREST SERVICE AND EARTH.

YES. AND A LOT OF OTHER SOURCES.

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I FIND THIS MAP VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE AND I'M GLAD YOU POINTED IT OUT, BECAUSE THE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE YELLOW OR GREEN OR SOMETHING ELSE ON THEM ARE NOT AREAS OF NEW RESOURCES THAT ARE ACTUALLY AREAS OF NO DATA.

WHICH MEANS THERE COULD BE A RESOURCE THERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DATA ABOUT SOME OF THE PRIVATE STATE LANDS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO IT DOESN'T IT IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK IT MEANS WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, WHICH I THINK IS PROBLEMATIC.

SO THAT'S DEFINITELY ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO CORRECT WHEN WE UPDATE THIS, WHETHER OR NOT EVERYBODY ELSE LIKES IT OR NOT, IT'S JUST IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE OUR HAVE DATA LIKE IT MEANS THERE'S NO RESOURCES WE'VE ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN SARAH I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE POINT OF HOW IS IT USED AND WHAT IMPACT DO DOES THIS INFORMATION HAVE ON EFFECTIVELY WHETHER AN APPLICATION FOR SOME SORT OF PROJECT IS APPROVED OR DENIED? RIGHT. I MEAN, WE DON'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON THE PRESENCE OF PRAIRIE DOG COLONIES OR AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, ON THE PRESIDENTS OF SOILS.

THE SENSE OF VEGETATION I THINK IS AN IS POTENTIALLY IMPACTED.

BUT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW IS THAT THAT'S PROBABLY ONLY AT A STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL DO WE DO WE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

SO AGAIN, I JUST I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THESE ISSUES, BUT THERE'S JUST IT'S NOT SHOW INFORMATION THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ANYONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO GET A REZONE OR MY ORIGINAL PLAN AMENDMENT PUT IN PLACE.

YES. SO THE WAY THIS GETS USED IS ONLY FOR REZONING BECAUSE THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY IS WHAT BASICALLY RULES IF YOU'RE NOT DOING A REZONING OR A DISCRETIONARY DECISION.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHY THE LACK OF DATA IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC HERE.

SO FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW, I'M KIND OF ZOOMED IN ON THE JOHN WESLEY POWELL AREA BETWEEN LONE TREE, WHICH IS OVER HERE, AND BUTLER WHICH IS OVER HERE.

SO THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE NO RESOURCES COULD EASILY BE RESOURCES.

AND IT ALSO DOESN'T IDENTIFY SOME AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S RIPARIAN CONNECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FLOODPLAINS.

SO I THINK THERE ARE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS MAP.

AND WHAT WE DO WITH IT IN THE NEXT PHASE, I THINK IS A REALLY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AS WE'RE UPDATING THE PLAN.

YEAH. AND SO THERE ARE IMPORTANT LIKE THERE IS IMPORTANT DATA, RIGHT, THAT YOU DO WANT IF YOU'RE COMING IN TO TOWN AND DON'T KNOW THESE THINGS.

SO SLOPE, WHICH ISN'T REALLY SHOWN HERE, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY DO RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TO THE TWO FOOT IN OF ALL TAUPO FOR THE WHOLE CITY.

THAT'S VERY RELEVANT.

THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW IT.

IT STATES IN HERE TREES OF A CERTAIN SIZE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S THIS GREEN KIND OF HATCHED AREA HERE IS BIG TREES OVER CERTAIN AGE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG PART OF THE THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED BY LOOKING AT CANOPY DENSITY FROM AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S TIE IT TO THE USE, LIKE YOU SAID.

LET'S MOVE ENOUGH ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.

YEAH. NO MOVEMENT ON NOBODY'S FOCUSED ON THAT YET AND I IT'S ON MY LIST FOR SURE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOLKS WANT TO DRAW OUT HERE NOW THAT WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM? INTERESTING THAT SOMEBODY MENTIONED URBAN FOOD SITES.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF HERITAGE PRESERVATION PER SE, BUT I JUST WENT TO A FOOD SYSTEMS PLANNING TRAINING TODAY BECAUSE THE PLAN IS COMPLETELY SILENT ON FOOD SYSTEMS FOR CERTAIN.

I THINK SHORTAGES AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES MAYBE MAY BRING THAT TO THE FOREFRONT IN OUR NEXT EFFORT.

THAT WAS MY COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER DAY.

YEAH, I LOOKED THROUGH AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE I'M MISSING IT.

MAYBE IT'S THERE. AND I, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT IT DOES SEEM KIND OF LIKE A GAPING HOLE GIVEN JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE

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FUTURE BRINGS AND THE NEED FOR THAT TO BE A PART OF THE PLAN FOR JUST RESILIENCE OVERALL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I'LL BE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT'S INCORPORATED THAT.

THAT IS ALSO A COMMENT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET.

AND YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF TOWARDS BECAUSE WE STARTED WITH YOU IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'RE DOING THIS LATER, YOU'RE KIND OF THE TAIL END.

SO YOU DID HAVE SOME REALLY UNIQUE COMMENTS AND INSIGHTS.

SO I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR TAKING THIS THE TIME TO FILL THIS OUT, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AND WE'RE ABOUT TO JUMP INTO THE NEXT EXERCISE UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE SO FAR.

SEEING THAT THERE ARE NOT IS.

SO YOU SHOULD BE LOGGED INTO THIS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO START READING THESE SO YOU CAN PRIORITIZE THEM.

TEN MEANS IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU.

AND THE BOTTOM ZERO IS IS NOT VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE RATING THINGS, YOU'RE ONLY RATING THEM WITHIN THE QUADRANT.

SO LIKE YOU'RE RATING STRENGTHS COMPARED TO OTHER STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES COMPARED TO OTHER WEAKNESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES AGAINST OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OF WHICH ONES YOU THINK ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.

LET ME PULL UP MY PARTICIPANTS.

I THINK DAVID ENDED UP OFFLINE WITH THIS AND HE PROBABLY HAS TO JUMP BACK IN, BUT YOU'LL JUST BE ABLE TO DRAG AND DROP WHATEVER RATING.

AND I CAN SEE HERE WHEN YOU'RE DONE SO YOU GUYS CAN JUST GET STARTED.

IS IT CLARIFICATION? CAN WE GIVE LIKE EVERYTHING AT TEN? I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT, BUT LIKE, DOES EVERYTHING NEED A DIFFERENT NUMBER? NO, EVERYTHING YOU GIVE EVERYTHING A TEN OR EVERYTHING IS ZERO.

IF YOU'RE A GROUCHY JUST WHATEVER IS THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO BE A SENSING EXERCISE.

SO I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO OVERTHINK IT.

LIKE GO WITH WHAT YOUR GUT SAYS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OUT OF THIS GROUP AND OUT OF THIS GROUP, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A SENSING EXERCISE.

IT'S THE FIRST OF MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS.

AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO COMPILE ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A REPORT ABOUT WHERE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS SAW NEEDS AND EMPHASIS AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE PROPOSE TO THE PUBLIC AND MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE IN THE PLAN.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THIS IS GOOD.

JUST STICK WITH WHAT WE ALREADY DID IN THE PLAN.

AND THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS WE'VE HEARD.

PEOPLE ARE GOING, YOU'VE GOT TO DO THAT DIFFERENTLY THIS TIME.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND KIND OF PUBLISH IT ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE SO PEOPLE KNOW LIKE THAT THESE IDEAS ARE ONES THAT ARE OBSERVABLE BY MANY PEOPLE WHO USE THE PLAN. AND SO WE'RE VISITING MOST OF THE CITY COMMISSIONS AND FOUR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS, INCLUDING THEIR TRI-DIVERSITY COUNCIL, ALL RUNNING THIS EXERCISE WITH SOME REALLY THOUGHTFUL FEEDBACK.

IT GIVES US A REALLY GREAT CROSS-SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY, TOO, AND OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR FUTURE AND OUR PLANNING EFFORTS.

AND THE PROGRAMING THAT BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY DO.

AND IT IS A RACE, SO I WON.

THAT YOU JUST THE FASTER YOU DO IT, THE LESS AWKWARD SILENCE IN THE MEETING.

WOW, YOU'RE FINISHING THAT UP.

KEEP THEM.

YOU GUYS CAME AND DID YOUR HOMEWORK BECAUSE SOME COMMISSIONS HAVE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THIS STEP.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING PROGRESS STEADILY.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH.

I THINK, SARA, I THINK THE HARD PART IS THAT MOST OF US ARE REALLY YOU KNOW, MOST COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE JUST NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

I MEAN, WE DON'T REFERENCE IT REALLY AT ALL IN OUR IN OUR MEETINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMISSIONS OTHER THAN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S REALLY OTHER AND MAYBE SUSTAINABILITY.

THE OTHER COMMISSIONS REALLY DON'T DIG INTO THE REGIONAL PLAN VERY MUCH.

BUT EACH COMMISSION IS AN EXPERT, IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SPENDING TIME AND EXPERTISE WITHIN CERTAIN SUBJECT AREAS IN THE CITY.

AND SO IT'S GOOD TO GET THIS REFLECTION OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T USING IT ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE TOPICS IN THE REGIONAL PLAN AND THEY CAN TELL US WHAT STANDS

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OUT TO THEM. SO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION WAS ACTUALLY VERY, VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN HAD ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER. AND SO THIS FEEDBACK HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY USEFUL.

SORRY, I NEED TO LET SOMEBODY BACK IN.

OKAY.

LET SHELLY, FINISH HER LAST ONE.

AND OKAY, SO HERE IS YOUR RANKING RESULTS.

SO THE STOCK CORPORATION AND OTHER AGENCIES IN THE CITY ALL CAME OUT AS YOUR STRONGEST BUT EASILY ACCESSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AWARENESS, AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION WAS A SECOND AND THEN GROWING IN VERSUS GROWING OUT, WHICH WAS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CAME OUT ON TOP.

THE LACK OF A TIMELINE WAS SEEN AS A STRONG WEAKNESS.

AS WAS THE MAPS AND THE NUMBER OF THE VERY HIGH NUMBER OF GOALS.

ALL AGREE 97 GOALS AND 500 PLUS POLICIES IS A LOT OF MATERIAL TO MANAGE IN UNDER OPPORTUNITIES.

GETTING THE BALANCE FOR THE DESIRE FOR SUSTAINABILITY DENSITY AND A GENERAL DESIRE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOW DENSITY IS AND ALSO A LACK OF MAPS ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SNAPSHOT PDF WHICH WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT ONE, TWO OR ALL ONES THAT WE THAT CAME OUT TOWARDS THE TOP ON THE OPPORTUNITIES AND ON THE THREATS, NOT HAVING A BROAD CROSS-SECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT AND TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WITH ONE DOCUMENT AND PROCESS. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT CAME OUT.

AND ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE AND WE WILL PRODUCE A REPORT FROM THIS OR I SHOULD SAY JORDAN IS GOING TO DOWNLOAD A REPORT AND ATTACH IT TO YOUR MINUTES.

FOR WHAT? THAT YOU WILL APPROVE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE THAT SOMEBODY RANKED IT LOW AND SOMEBODY RANKED IT A TEN AND HOW THAT MIGHT HAVE AFFECTED THESE OUTCOMES. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS EXERCISE.

WE WILL ALSO SEND AROUND THE FINAL REPORT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, WHICH I HOPE WILL BE SOMETIME IN JULY.

WE'LL PROBABLY THE FIRST DRAFT IN JULY AND THEN BY AUGUST 2ND DRAFT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SOME THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WANTS TO GO LAST AND SEE EVERYBODY ELSE'S ANSWERS FIRST AND THINK ABOUT IT.

SO I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN.

BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR EVEN THOUGH THAT GOT A LITTLE SPREAD OUT OVER TWO MEETINGS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON IT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME ABOUT THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE IN GENERAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANKS SO MUCH, SARAH. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SARAH? AND I JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS LIKE I MEAN, THIS IS A FOUR YEAR PROCESS OR SOMETHING.

AND SARAH SPENDS A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS.

WE SEE VERY LITTLE OF IT.

BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE JOB AND IT'S A HUGE PROJECT.

AND IT REALLY DOES INFLUENCE HOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE SEE IT AGAIN AND IT REALLY INFLUENCES HOW OUR TOWN WILL GROW IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT IT IS IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU, SARAH, FOR SHARING THAT WITH US.

MARK, ARE YOU DOING THE NEXT ITEM ON THE SANBORN MAPS?

[B. Historic Home Progression - Deciphering Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps & a home's progression HPC Education Session, Power Point presentation, present if time allows]

YES, BUT I'M GOING TO PASS ON IT.

IT'S JUST AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION.

IT'S JUST I HAD A CHANCE TO DO A POWERPOINT AND ANALYZE THE PROGRESSION OF A SMALL HOUSE TO A RESIDENCE.

SO WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING THAT HAS AN OPENING TO IT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THAT COMMISSION BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SANBORN MAPS AND HOW WE LOOK AT PROPERTIES AND HOW WE EVALUATE THEM.

SO WE'LL SAVE IT FOR ANOTHER MEETING.

WE HAVE AN OPENING. OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU, MARK. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

I THINK THINGS ARE COOL. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE US THE USUAL JAUNT THROUGH

[8. REPORTS]

APPROVALS AND CONSULTATIONS? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN. REALLY? A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWDOWN ON PROJECTS AND ALSO BEING A LITTLE MORE.

EXCLUSIVE OF WHAT I DO PUT IN AN APPROVAL.

THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF STEPS THAT GO THROUGH APPROVALS.