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SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

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WELCOME TO THIS AUGUST 17TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

AT THIS POINT IS ROLL CALL.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO READ THE NOTICE OF OPTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST.

ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ARS 3843 1.02, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO MEMBERS OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS REGULAR MEETING, THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS 38431.03A3.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROCEED WITH A ROLL CALL? SURE.

ALL RIGHT. AND NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DO OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU DID IT LAST TIME.

COMMISSIONER WEBER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT TODAY? LET ME BRING UP THAT AGENDA.

BUT YES, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO READ THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT TODAY FOR TODAY'S MEETING.

THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS, SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER WEBER.

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, FOR ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A NO.

WE NOW NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

[A. June 15, 2022 HPC Minutes Approve the Minutes of the June 15, 2022 Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR JUNE 15TH? I MOTION WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 15TH.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEA.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DAY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WEBER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FOR JUNE 15TH? AYE. ANY OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR SPECIAL MEETING FROM JULY 20TH.

[B. July 20, 2022 HPC Special Meeting Minutes Approve the Minutes of the July 20, 2022 Special Meeting of the Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]

WE HAVE A MOTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JULY 20TH FROM THE SPECIAL MEETING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KELLY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VICE-CHAIR DALE, YOU'RE MUTED.

AND I AM MUTED.

I'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS.

[A. 309 S Verde Facade Improvement PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 309 S Verde St Assessor's Parcel Number: 10314003B Property Owner: Smith Ila - Scottsdale AZ Applicant: Mark Smith City Staff: Mark Reavis, Heritage Preservation Officer REQUESTED ACTION: Facade Matching Grant for up to $10,000 for continuation of work after removal of aluminum siding, so as to approximate original exterior finish when constructed. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve facade grant for up to $10,000 on 50/50 basis per program.]

OUR FIRST IS A FACADE GRANT FOR 309 SOUTH VERDE STREET.

MARK REVIS, DO YOU WANT TO LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? YEAH, I WILL INTRODUCE IT.

IT, 309 SOUTH VERDE IN THE SOUTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS JUST CALLED UP AND WONDERING ABOUT IF THERE WERE ANY DESIGN RESTRICTIONS.

AND I ROLLED UP ON THIS VERY CONSERVATIVE LITTLE HOUSE WITH BEAT UP ALUMINUM SIDING.

AND I WAS QUITE SURPRISED WHEN I WENT ON THE INTERIOR HOW MUCH QUALITY WORK WAS DONE AND THAT THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER, WAS PLANNING ON IMPROVING THE OUTSIDE TO TRY TO GET A MORE HISTORIC APPEARANCE TO THE PROPERTY.

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AND SO I DID POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE A FACADE GRANT PROGRAM AND TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT TOOK PLACE ON THE INTERIOR WITH THE EXTERIOR.

AND I'M THIS IS REALLY EARLY POST-WORLD WAR TWO CEMENT BLOCK CONSTRUCTION.

AND I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT THE CEMENT BLOCK WAS IMMEDIATELY COVERED WITH A THIN KIND OF STUCCO COAT OVER THE TOP OF IT. AND I DID RECOMMEND THAT THE OWNER, AS THEY'RE PROCEEDING WITH WORK THAT THEY APPLY TO FINISH OFF THE PROJECT FOR A MORE HISTORIC APPEARANCE AND APPLY FOR A FACADE GRANT FOR THE PROJECT.

ANY QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT? THE APPLICANT? JUST A VERY SHORT STATEMENT ON HOW MUCH EFFORT HE'S PUT INTO THIS LITTLE PROJECT.

MARK SMITH.

I'M HERE. YES.

YEAH. JUST A SHORT COMMENT.

WELL, YEAH. SO THIS HAS BEEN A, YOU KNOW, AN ONGOING PROJECT FOR PROBABLY A BETTER PART OF FIVE YEARS, MOSTLY AS YOU'VE SEEN.

MARK, IT WAS WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THE INSIDE.

IT WAS PRETTY MUCH A COMPLETE REMODEL ON THE INSIDE.

AND AND AS THINGS HAVE IT, WE HAD ENDED UP HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE AND WITH THE SIDING AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I KNEW THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHERE I WAS GOING TO PROBABLY CHANGE THAT.

BUT WE ENDED UP HAVING, YOU KNOW, LEAKS AND, AND PROBLEMS WITH THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THAT GETTING INTO THE HOME.

AND SO, ONE THING CAME TO ANOTHER.

I KNEW IT WAS WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

I CONTACTED YOU, MARK, AND YOU KIND OF INFORMED ME OF THIS GRANT, WHICH IS KIND OF I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING A LOOK AT THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, ON MY OBJECT HERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY UPGRADE THE OUTSIDE TO THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE INSIDE.

AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY DEALING WITH A HOUSE THAT'S THAT OLD AS YOU AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW.

BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT.

ALL RIGHT THANKS, MARK. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE ANY? THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED. SO I IMAGINE THERE AREN'T ANY HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT IT WOULD HAVE LOOK LIKE.

THEY. I TRIED TO DO AS MUCH RESEARCH AS I COULD AND COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT THAT SHOWED THE HOUSE HISTORICALLY OTHER THAN WHAT THE THE METAL SIDING THAT WAS ON AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO POKE AROUND LIKE GOOGLE MAPS.

DO OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA HAVE SIMILAR KINDS OF STUCCO BRICK FACADES.

YEAH, IT'S I THINK THIS ONE WAS A I'M SURE THAT I THINK THIS ONE WAS UNIQUE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LEAVE THE CEMENT BLOCK. I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO BLEND IT IN.

SO IT'S 1945.

SO IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, POST-WORLD WAR TWO.

AND I I'M CONVINCED THAT THEY DID THAT COATING OF PLASTER ON IT IMMEDIATELY.

AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE THAT KIND OF PINK COLOR AS WELL.

THAT WAS A POPULAR THING AT THE TIME.

SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING IT BACK TO A LOOK.

AGAIN, THEY HAD TO ATTACH INSULATION ON THE OUTSIDE TO DO THE STUCCO COAT BECAUSE WINDOWS HAVE CHANGED.

THERE WERE PENETRATIONS ALL THROUGHOUT, BUT IT WILL HAVE A MUCH MORE HISTORIC APPEARANCE AND IT IS VISIBLE SOMEWHAT ON BUTLER AND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

ANYONE ELSE? QUESTIONS? MARK DID YOU SAY THAT THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED? YEAH, THERE THERE WERE DIFFERENT WINDOWS ALONG THE WAY THAT WERE ADDED AND MODIFIED OVER THE YEARS.

BUT THE PRIMARY FACADE IS FROM ALL INDICATIONS.

IS WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, THAT CONFIGURATION.

GREAT, THANKS.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEA, I MOTION TO APPROVE A GRANT OF UP TO A $10,000 TO BE AWARDED FOR FACADE WORK AT 309 SOUTH VERDE STREET WITH MONITORING AND APPROVAL BY THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

OR HPO, EXCUSE ME.

WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEA AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.

SORRY IF I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MARK FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, FOLKS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING.

ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A ANOTHER FACADE GRANT FOR 118 WEST, ROUTE 66 FOR A PONDEROSA PAWN AND

[B. Ponderosa Pawn & Trading Co Building Facade Grant PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 118 W Route 66 Assessor's Parcel Number: 10021005 Property Owner: Berardi Investment, Joe Beraridi Applicant: Anthony Berardi City Staff: Mark Reavis, Heritage Preservation Officer REQUESTED ACTION: Provide a Facade Grant of up to $10,000 for painting and the demolition of a framed awning and new lightweight replacement. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Recommended Motion: Approve a grant of up to a $10,000 to be awarded for façade work at 118 W Route 66 with monitoring and approval by the HPO.]

TRADING COMPANY.

I COULD INTRODUCE IT.

I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS BUILDING.

IT'S A PRETTY DOMINANT PRESENCE ON ROUTE 66.

THE PAINT IS NOT LOOKING GREAT.

THE AWNING IS FAILING.

THEY WANT TO VASTLY IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN, IT'S ON ROUTE 66.

IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE, I MEAN, VISIBLE FROM THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL.

SO THE PAINTING PROJECT AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS MORE MUTED COLORS.

IT'S THE PAWN SHOP FACADE AND THE FORMER BUS DEPOT BAY WITH THE ROLL UP DOOR.

THAT'S PART OF THAT ONE BUILDING.

I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT FOR VASTLY IMPROVING THE APPEARANCE OF OF A CORRIDOR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE WOOD FRAME AWNING THAT'S THERE THAT IS ACTIVELY UNDERGOING FAILURE.

AND THEY HAVE GOT A PERMIT FOR THE ENCROACHMENTS ON ROUTE 66.

AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AND IT REALLY DOES MEET THAT FACADE REQUIREMENT OF BEING HIGHLY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AS AN IMPROVEMENT.

THE ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS NOT REBUILDING THE HORIZONTAL AWNING, BUT INSTALLING A MORE SIMPLE, COMPATIBLE FABRIC AWNING AND FRAMEWORK ON THE FRONT.

IT HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITY AND TO WHAT'S THERE ALREADY.

DEFINITELY. POST-WORLD WAR TWO CEMENT BLOCK BUILDING.

IN THAT PORTION OF THE AREA NEXT TO THE ANOTHER CEMENT BLOCK BUILDING, THE MOTEL THAT'S ON THE CORNER.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY POSITIVE PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT DO A SHORT STATEMENT REGARDING HIS PROJECT.

YEAH. THANKS, MARK. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

HI. HELLO. YEAH, HI.

THIS IS ANTHONY. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND HAVING ME BE A PART OF THIS.

THANK YOU, MARK, FOR ALL THE HELP THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME TO KIND OF SEE SOME VISION HERE.

WE'VE OWNED THE BUILDING SINCE THE MID NINETIES.

WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO KEEP IT OCCUPIED THROUGH THAT TIME.

AND AS OF LATE, MY FATHER'S IN HIS LATE EIGHTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES, EXCUSE ME, AND STARTED TASKING ME WITH TRYING TO GET IT UP TO SPEED AND TRYING TO GIVE US A NICE THING TO LOOK AT DOWNTOWN.

AND WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE IT A FRESH COAT OF PAINT AND REMOVE THE AWNING AND, AND JUST, JUST REALLY GET IT TO LOOK MUCH NICER AND KIND OF BLEND IN WITH THOSE NATURAL COLORS THAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO MOVE FORWARD.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. THANKS, ANTHONY.

DO WE HAVE ANY? I THINK I DIDN'T APOLOGIZE FOR LOOKING AT MY STAFF REPORT THAT I DID NOT PUT THE COLORED CHIPS.

I THOUGHT I DID, BUT I DID NOT.

SO THEY ARE MUCH MORE EARTH TONED.

JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT AND THAT THE.

CANNOT BE SHOWN WITH JUST A PLACEHOLDER BEING READ.

WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT CHARCOALS AND TAN COLORS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

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AND THEN, OF COURSE, I THINK THE MOST AMAZING FEATURE IN THIS POST WORLD WAR TWO IS THAT CURVED STONE ENTRY THAT GOES INTO THE PAWN SHOP.

SO I THINK IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE BUILDING, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY A PRETTY AMAZING FEATURE.

AND WITH THE PROPOSED PAINT COLORS, THAT WILL KIND OF UNIFY THAT STONE CURVED ENTRY THAT GOES INTO THE PAWNSHOP.

SO PART OF THE GRANT THEN MARK WOULD BE YOU STILL HAVING APPROVAL ON THE FINAL AWNING CHOICE.

YEAH. AND HE MATCHED HE MATCHED THAT MUTED COLOR.

THAT CHARCOAL COLOR IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE AWNING.

THE RED WAS JUST A PLACEHOLDER.

YEAH. TYPICALLY WE GET SOME SORT OF.

HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT'S DONE KIND OF DRAWING THING.

AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT TODAY.

SO PART OF THAT IS JUST THE APPROVAL WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT GETTING YOUR APPROVAL? YES. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED LAST TIME.

DO WE HAVE HISTORIC PHOTOS? IS THAT BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR AWNINGS OR PRETTY MUCH UNCHANGED.

IT'S DATA CONSTRUCTION.

OH, OKAY. I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE.

WITH A FAILED WOOD AWNING.

BEING A HORIZONTAL LINE WITH A NEW AWNING, BEING A LITTLE BIT TALLER.

OH, ABOUT TWICE AS TALL, BUT STILL SAME HEIGHT, SAME LOCATION, A LITTLE BIT TALLER.

OKAY, GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SEE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A GRANT OF UP TO $10,000 TO BE AWARDED FOR FACADE WORK AT 118 WEST ROUTE 66 WITH MONITORING AND APPROVAL BY THE HPO.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELLY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WEBER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT.

AND THE MISSION, THE MISSION, THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANTHONY, FOR COMING IN.

THANK YOU ALL. SEE HOW IT LOOKS.

WE CAN'T WAIT TO GET IT DONE AS WELL.

THANKS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT IS THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

SO NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO GENERAL BUSINESS WITH A DISCUSSION OF SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS.

[A. HPC Educational: Historic Home Progression w/ 1901-1948 Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps, example home in North End Historic Residential District. Listen to HPO presentation, ask questions]

HOW MUCH TIME DOES EVERYBODY HAVE? I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE PRESSED FOR TIME.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.

I HAVE TIME. I HAVE TIME.

OKAY. YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME TIME.

OKAY. I AM ATTEMPTING TO SHARE MY SCREEN.

NO.

WHAT SCREEN AM I SHARING.

OBVIOUSLY NOT THE PRESENTATION.

OH, YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP.

JUST MAXIMIZE AND START YOUR SLIDE SHOW.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY.

THE MULTIPLE SCREEN THING MAKES IT HARDER.

I KNOW. YEAH.

HOW ABOUT THAT? WE'RE SEEING YOUR PRESENTER VIEW NOT THE PRESENTATION VIEW.

SO WE CAN SEE, LIKE THE FIRST SLIDE AND THE SECOND SLIDE.

OH.

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MAYBE HIT THE DISPLAY SETTINGS UP AT THE TOP.

I THINK YOU CAN DUPLICATE SLIDESHOW OR SWAP IT EITHER WAY.

HOW'S THAT? THAT'S IT.

GOT IT. SO THIS WAS JUST A I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY PRESENT THIS WITH A FEW MORE ADDITIONS TO THE FESTIVAL OF SCIENCE.

AND THIS IS JUST A HOME THAT I WAS HELPING APPLICANT ON FEDERAL TAX CREDIT.

AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS SO INTERESTING THAT THIS VERY CONSERVATIVE LITTLE HOUSE ENDED UP HAVING A REALLY LONG HISTORY TO IT. ADVANCE, PLEASE.

SO YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU THINK IT'S A COMPLETE HOUSE.

BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS VERY HUMBLE ROOTS TO IT.

WHEN YOU GO TO THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS AND YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE AND YOU KIND OF TRACE ITS ROOTS. IT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONS THAT TOOK PLACE.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT FLOOR PLAN NOW.

THESE ARE A LITTLE FOGGY, BUT SANBORN AND FIRE INSURANCE MAPS ARE CERTAINLY THE BEST FOR KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRESSION OF WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THIS TOWN.

SO INSURANCE RATES WERE BASED UPON MATERIALS THE BUILDINGS WERE MADE OUT OF.

HERE YOU EVEN HAVE THE ARIZONA LUMBER COMPANY TYPE OF HEATING, CALCULATING HOW FAR AWAY FROM FIRE HYDRANTS, ETC.. SO YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN, HOW THINGS WERE COLOR CODED, HOW THEY STARTED OUT, WHETHER WOOD FRAME OR ULTIMATELY ENDED UP BEING MASONRY STONE BUILDING.

THERE ARE HIGHLY DETAILED.

I HAVE OFTEN INDICATED THAT THEY'RE MORE DETAILED THAN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY IN TOWN.

THEY ACTUALLY WENT OUT IN THE FIELD, OBSERVED THINGS, SAW THE PORCHES, MEASURED THE BUILDINGS.

AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING LIKE ON THE CORNER OF THIS ONE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND LOWER CORNER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BANK BUILDING ON LARUE.

SO THE PROBLEM WITH SANBORN MAPS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS COVER WHERE THE PARTICULAR HOUSE IS.

OR IN 1901, THE HOUSE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FIRE INSURANCE MAPS.

BUT SOME OF THE LOWER BLOCKS GAVE YOU AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE HOUSES WERE LIKE.

THEY WERE SMALL, VERY CONSERVATIVE WORKERS, COTTAGES.

SO ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT IT WAS SIMPLY A TWO ROOM SHOTGUN TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT WAS HERE.

WITHOUT THE DETAILED PORCH.

THAT WAS A LATER CHANGE AS WELL.

SO CHICKEN AND EGG TYPE OF THING.

I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THE HOUSE.

TWO ROOMS, VERY SIMPLE.

THAT BEAM TOWARD THE BACK, THE RIGHT HAND PICTURE.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE END OF THE HOUSE.

YOU LOOK AT WINDOWS, WINDOW SIZES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS AN ADDITION.

AND AGAIN, WINDOWS CHANGED OR CHANGED.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CLUES.

SO. LOOKING AT DOORS AND DOORS STYLES, VERY SIMILAR BUILT, VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT HAD SOME CHANGES TO THEM.

ALSO, YOU LOOK AT THE SIGHTING, THIS SHIP LAP DROP, LAP SIGHTING THAT'S THERE.

IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T ALIGN.

SO YOU'RE STARTING TO INDICATE THAT SOUTH WAS IN ADDITION TO THAT ORIGINAL SHOTGUN FORM.

THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK TO INVESTIGATE WHERE THINGS ARE ROTTING, WHERE THINGS NEED TO BE VASTLY IMPROVED.

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THAT'S WHY THE CONCRETE IS REMOVED HERE.

ALSO ON THE RIGHT HAND PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINS OF.

THE ORIGINAL COLUMN'S MUCH SIMPLER, PUT TOGETHER MORE CLOSELY SPACED THAN THESE CLASSICAL COLUMNS THAT WERE LATER ADDED TO THE STRUCTURE.

SO TO KEEP THAT BEAM IN THAT PORCH ATTACHED.

THEY JUST KIND OF CLIPPED OFF THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THESE PRETTY SIMPLE COLUMNS.

THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF WHERE THEY CLIPPED THOSE OFF.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THOSE CLASSICAL COLUMNS THAT WERE ADDED.

THEY HAD TO ADD SUPPORT STRUCTURES TO THE ROOF TO PICK UP THAT BEAM SPACING THAT WAS THROUGH THERE.

ON THE NORTH AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WINDOWS SMALLER, CONSERVATIVE, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, AND THEN YOU SEE THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITION ON THE NORTH AND AGAIN, THAT SIDING DOES NOT ALIGN AGAIN.

SO ANOTHER INDICATION OF BEING AN ADDITION ON THE NORTH OF THIS BUILDING.

SOUTH EDITION, YOU'RE SEEING MUCH WIDER WINDOWS, DIFFERENT OPERATION AND DIVIDED LEADED LIGHT WINDOWS.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND PICTURE, YOU ACTUALLY SEE BATON BOARD, AND THAT IS WHERE THE BATHROOM IS.

SO WE HAD A SOUTH EDITION AND THEN FAIRLY SOON AFTERWARDS THE BATHROOM WAS ADDED, WHICH WAS ALSO AN ADDITION TO THE HOME.

WE START OUT WITH THE SIMPLE HOME.

WE START, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING IN 1910, WE'RE GETTING A CONFIGURATION.

SO WE HAVE A FRONT PORCH, WE HAVE THE HOME, WE HAVE THE SOUTH, AND WE HAVE A NORTH LITTLE BULB OUT ADDITION TO THE HOME.

SO I THINK THIS IS THE PROGRESSION.

LITTLE TWO ROOM SHOTGUN, A SOUTH EDITION, WHICH LIKELY INCLUDED THE PRODUCTION OF PORCH THAT UNIFIED THINGS AND COVERED THE ENTRY TO THIS OTHER ROOM.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BATHROOM WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY SMALL AND DIDN'T EXTEND OUT INTO THAT PORCH AREA, WHICH WILL SHOW UP LATER.

WE HAVE THAT IN 1910.

WE HAVE A ROOM THAT'S KIND OF ISOLATED, SLAPPED ON TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN WE END UP WITH AN OPEN PORCH IN 1916.

ON THE SITE, WHICH WE NO LONGER HAVE, WE HAVE A 514 AND A HALF.

VERY SIMPLE DWELLING, SOME OUTBUILDINGS THAT EXISTED.

AND THEN IT STARTS TO GET UNIFIED WITH THAT ADDITION ON THE BACK, THAT OPEN PORCH.

BY THE 1948, WE HAVE STILL AN OPEN PORCH ON THE BACK.

BUT SOMEWHERE AFTER THAT LAST MAP, WE END UP HAVING AN ENCLOSED PORCH AND THE WHOLE THING BEING UNIFIED AS ONE STRUCTURE SO VERY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE BUILDING THEIR DREAM HOUSE.

THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF CONSERVATIVE HOUSING AND ACCOMMODATING A FAMILY AS NEEDS REQUIRE.

QUESTIONS IS JUST KIND OF A FUN LITTLE EXAMPLE.

THANK YOU, MARK. I'VE WALKED BY THAT HOUSE SO MANY TIMES AND WONDERED WHAT THE THE STORY WAS ON ALL THAT.

SO IT'S FUN TO FINALLY KNOW.

WE'VE GOT A NEW OWNER THAT WANTS TO INVEST IN IT AND UTILIZE IT AND KEEP THE HISTORIC STATUS TO IT.

I'M TRYING TO WORK DILIGENTLY ON GETTING A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT FOR THEM, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD FOR OTHER PROJECTS IN SOME.

THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU.

YEAH. THAT WAS A REALLY NICE PRESENTATION, MARK.

THANKS. MARK, IS THAT THE SAME PRESENTATION YOU'RE GOING TO DO FOR THE FESTIVAL OF SCIENCE? IT'S A COMPONENT I'M GOING TO ADD TO IT AND CLEANED IT UP A LITTLE, SO.

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THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I'M GOING TO USE, AND THEN WE'LL OF COURSE ALSO PROMOTE THE REGIONAL PLAN, WHICH IS OUR MISSION THIS YEAR.

OKAY COOL, THANKS, MARK.

ARE YOU READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT GENERAL BUSINESS? REVISIONS TO THE HISTORIC FACADE AND SIGN GRANT PROGRAM.

[B. Revisions to Historic Facade & Sign Grant Program Discussion only]

IS THIS THE ONE THAT WE MAY NEED TO MOVE INTO SPECIAL? WHAT IS IT? NO, I THINK WE JUST WANT TO.

I THINK WE JUST WANT TO DO AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE FOUND OUT.

OKAY. EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THAT'S WHEN I WAS WORRIED.

I WAS THINKING. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT'S GOING ON? IT WAS, THE WHOLE EFFORT WHEN KARL WAS MORE KARL EBERHART, WHEN HE WAS MORE ASSOCIATED WITH ECONOMIC VITALITY AND USE OF THE BVV LOCAL TAX, THAT THAT AVERAGE FORD TAX THAT HE CREATED THIS THEY'RE PRETTY SIMPLE GUIDELINES.

SO THE GRANTS WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND WAS DEVELOPED IN 2004, THE UTILIZING THE BVV TAX WHEN IT WAS LAST UP UPDATED AND THE GUIDELINES WERE DEVELOPED IN 2012.

I HAVE TALKED TO BEAUTIFICATION AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

MODIFYING THIS GRANT AND MAKING IT MORE AVAILABLE AND ADJUSTING IT.

THE QUESTION WAS ASKED SINCE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND SOME PROJECTS ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN OTHERS, IS THERE THAT LEEWAY TO MODIFY IT TO PROVIDE MORE MONEY FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS? AND THE GENERAL ANSWER IS YES.

SO I THINK THE HPC HAS A LOT OF LEEWAY IN COMING UP WITH CONCEPTS FOR MAKING THIS GRANT PROGRAM MORE USABLE, MORE EFFECTIVE.

SO. JUST TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT.

AND JORDAN, ARE YOU THERE AS WELL? I AM. YOU HAD SOME DATA ON THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED.

SO. YEAH.

DID YOU WANT. DID YOU WANT ME TO? YEAH. YEAH, IF YOU COULD.

YEAH. SO IN THE AGENDA, YOU'LL SEE JUST A REALLY SHORT MEMO THAT I PUT TOGETHER ABOUT INFLATION.

JUST LOOKING AT BASICALLY THE TIME PERIOD THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT SORT OF $10,000 AMOUNT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE EARLY 2000S, I THINK.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT, MARK? YES. SO BASICALLY WHAT I DID WAS JUST PULL SOME INFLATION DATA FROM THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS.

SO I PULLED THREE DIFFERENT INDEX MEASURES AND JUST LOOKED AT WHAT HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE PURCHASING POWER OF $10,000 SINCE 2004.

SO THOSE THREE DIFFERENT MEASURES THAT I LOOKED AT, ONE WAS JUST THE REGULAR CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL MEASURE OF INFLATION THAT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT IN THE NEWS EVERY DAY.

AND THEN I PICKED TWO THAT ARE MORE MORE ON THE WHOLESALE SIDE.

FOR BUILDING MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

AND I HAVE THOSE THAT SORT OF INFLATION RATE FROM 2004 TO 2021 USING THOSE THREE DIFFERENT MEASURES. SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INFLATION RATE USING THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OF 43% OVER THAT TIME PERIOD, USING THE PRODUCER PRICE INDEX FOR BUILDING MATERIALS SUPPLIERS, IT'S 94%.

AND THEN THE PRODUCER PRICE INDEX FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IS 88%.

SO ANOTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS THAT SO USING THE CPI $10,000 IN 2004, IF THAT AMOUNT HAD KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION, WOULD EQUATE TO ABOUT $14,343 TODAY FOR THE BUILDING MATERIAL PPI.

IT WOULD BE ABOUT 19,395 AND THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL CPI ABOUT 18,790.

SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I CAME UP WITH.

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HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR TACK ON SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO MY WORKLOAD, IF YOU'D LIKE.

THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE] SURE.

MARK, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY ASKING OF GRANTS? THE TWO TODAY WERE ON 20 TO $30000.

IS THAT PRICE INCREASED AS WELL? IT'S ALMOST ANY TIME YOU TOUCH A HISTORIC BUILDING, EVEN SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE PAINTING OF AND MODIFYING THE AWNING, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO MAX OUT OUR $10,000 ON EVEN FAIRLY SMALL PROJECTS.

SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY BEHIND ON THAT.

I THINK THAT WAS A REALIZATION.

THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST THAT IMPORTANT LARGER PRESERVATION PROJECTS HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

SO I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I COULD WORK UP SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON MODIFYING THIS GRANT PROGRAM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT TO THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

ON WHAT SOME OF THE OPTIONS COULD BE ON IMPROVING THIS.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND I CERTAINLY THINK THE GUIDELINES COULD BE CLEARED UP AS WELL.

THEY VERY MUCH STATE THAT SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS WILL BE FOLLOWED.

BUT THEY'RE THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN A LOT OF LEEWAY ON PROJECTS AS WELL OVER OVER THE DECADES.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A BEAUTIFICATION GRANT BASED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT? THOUGHTS FROM THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

YEAH. MARK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. HAVING THE ABILITY TO SCALE A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BOTH TOWARD THE COST AND TOWARD THE I DON'T KNOW, HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RESOURCE OR OF THE WORK THEY'RE DOING.

IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A GREAT, GREAT TOOL TO HAVE.

KNOW, I THINK THE ONES WE SAW, THE TWO WE SAW TODAY WERE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT AT THE RIGHT LEVEL.

EVEN IF WE HAD THE ABILITY TO MOVE MORE FUNDS TOWARD THEM, IT'S PROBABLY WOULDN'T.

PROBABLY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, NEED TOO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

BUT THEN, YEAH, AS YOU MOVE INTO DOING A LOT OF WORK ON OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THAT ARE WOOD AND NOT CINDERBLOCK AND THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED A LITTLE BIT, THE COST DEFINITELY GO UP FOR SURE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I CERTAINLY THINK IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY WHERE IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE TO BE REALLY HOLD TIGHT TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THAT INCENTIVE IN THAT HELP WOULD BE REALLY VITAL TO DOING THAT PROJECT.

SO I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD ON HOW TO REVISE THIS, AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? SARAH. SO I THINK WHAT MARK SAID, A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID IS RIGHT.

ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS IF YOU CREATE TWO TIERS OF GRANTS THERE.

WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY, VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR THE UPPER TIER.

LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW, ANY ELIGIBLE NATIONAL REGISTER PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S LISTED OR NOT, IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE $10,000 GRANT.

YOU COULD SET UP MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR THE UPPER LEVEL GRANT AND MAKE IT YOUR DISCRETION, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD SAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE.

TO ME, ONE OF THE KEY CRITERIA WOULD BE THAT IT IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER EITHER AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN A DISTRICT OR AS AN INDIVIDUAL. LISTING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE INCENTIVES TO GET MORE PROPERTIES TO GO THROUGH THE LISTING PROCESS AS WELL. SO YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT IF WE CREATE THESE TWO TIERS, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE MULTIPLE CRITERIA THAT YOU'LL WANT TO RELOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS TIER ONE AND THIS IS TIER TWO.

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SO IT MIGHT TAKE US QUITE A FEW WORK SESSIONS AND I'M 100% SURE WE'LL HAVE TO GET LEGAL INVOLVED.

IN REVIEWING IT AT LEAST.

AND SO WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE IN LOOKING AT THIS? IS SAYING WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS IN THE NEXT 6 TO 8 MONTHS SUFFICIENT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FASTER? THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US THIS FALL, BUT.

I JUST WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF TIMING.

I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME.

YEAH. THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR.

BY NEXT YEAR, BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WOULD BE A GREAT TIMING WISE.

I THINK WE COULD DO THAT.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

SAME. AND DO TAKE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT GUIDELINES THERE.

THEY'RE PRETTY MINIMAL.

SO. RIGHT.

WELL, THAT GIVES US TEN MONTHS.

SO THIS IS NOT A HUGE PROJECT.

IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL ROUNDS OF DISCUSSION, I THINK, WITH YOU AND KEEP GETTING TEMPERATURE SETTING AND MAYBE CHECKING IN WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AND THAT JUST TAKES TIME FOR US TO DO SO.

THANKS FOR GIVING US SOME DIRECTION AND SOME A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO KEEP WORKING WITH YOU ON IT.

SO EXPECT TO SEE THIS REAPPEAR ON AGENDAS ABOUT EVERY 2 TO 3 MONTHS AS WE KEEP YOU UPDATED.

YEAH, AND I THINK TOO, THAT WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT HOW BEST TO ADVERTISE THEM AND GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

LIKE IT WAS REALLY EXCITING TODAY WHEN MARK LIKE FOUND A PROJECT AND THEN LET THEM KNOW LIKE HERE'S YOU CAN ALSO GET MONEY FOR THIS.

AND SO I THINK SOME MORE OF THAT NOT JUST WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME, BUT SORT OF PROACTIVE.

IF WE HAVE THIS MONEY AND WANT TO SPEND IT, THEN WE SHOULD SPEND IT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER.

AND YOU MAY HAVE SAID IT AND I COULD HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED.

BUT IS THERE IF WE DO INCREASE CERTAIN FUNDING AMOUNTS, IS THERE AN ASSOCIATED INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE? OR WOULD IT STILL BE A SIMILAR PLOT? LET ME ANSWER THAT ONE, MARK.

LET ME DO THAT ONE.

I. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 150,000 TO ALLOCATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

THAT IS AN INCREASE BECAUSE FOR FOUR YEARS WE MAXED OUT THE GRANT EVERY YEAR IN A ROW AND WE WENT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAID, GIVE US 150,000, WE'LL DO 15 GRANTS A YEAR.

THEN COVID HAPPENED AND WHILE WE WERE ON TRACK IN 2019 TO 2020, THAT FISCAL YEAR TO HIT THE 15 GRANTS, WE ONLY ENDED UP HITTING, I THINK 12.

AND THEN SINCE THEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN MADE IT TO TEN GRANTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

I LARGELY THINK THAT'S DUE TO COVID AND CONSTRUCTION INFLATION.

WOULD YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, MARK? YEAH. AND I AGREE.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME LEVEL OF PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT ADJUSTMENT OF.

WHERE WE ALLOW A GRANT AND DOES IT FULLY MEET SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS? SO THAT WAS THAT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

AND I DID TALK TO OUR ECONOMIC VITALITY PEOPLE, AND THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR AN INCREASE IN FUNDS AS WELL SO.

RIGHT, AND THAT HAS TO BE MADE AS PART OF OUR BUDGET REQUESTS, WHICH GO OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

YEAH. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY HERE'S HOW WE WANT TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.

PROBABLY THE MOST LOGICAL PATH, COMMISSIONER WEBER, WOULD BE TO ADJUST YOUR CRITERIA, LET IT PLAY FOR A YEAR AND THEN GO BACK AND FIND OUT IF YOU NEED MORE MONEY OR NOT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD AN INCREASE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FULLY SPEND.

IN ANY OF THE YEARS SINCE WE GOT IT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT OUR INCREASE AT RISK, THOUGH MAYBE WE'LL SEE DIFFERENT BUDGET INSTRUCTIONS THIS YEAR BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME CHANGES. I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE SURE WE DO AN UPDATE IF THERE'S NEW DIRECTION IN THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT MIGHT AFFECT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GETTING BUDGET INSTRUCTIONS THIS YEAR, THEY USUALLY COME OUT IN LIKE OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.

WE GET LIKE THIS BIG BOOKLET THAT SAYS, HERE'S OUR SCHEDULE AND HERE'S WHEN THINGS ARE DUE AND HERE'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CALCULATE YOUR BUDGET REQUESTS.

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AND THEN I HAVE TO ENTER EVERYTHING.

USUALLY LIKE IN DAVID MCINTIRE WOULD BE ENTERING BUDGET REQUESTS RELATED TO THIS BY JANUARY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ALL THE WAY? OH YEAH. AND THEN SOME I THINK IT'S I DIDN'T REALIZE IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE ONE OF THESE ON THE SCHEDULE EACH TIME AND THEN I GUESS IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO 15, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIMES, SO.

YEAH AND PRE-COVID WE WERE WAY ON TRACK FOR THAT.

WE COULD HAVE GIVEN AWAY 20 A YEAR.

IT JUST EVERYBODY WE WENT THROUGH A RECESSION.

EVERYBODY WAS NERVOUS ABOUT SPENDING MONEY.

THE ECONOMY IS OPENING UP AGAIN, BUT IT'S ALSO MAYBE EXPERIENCING A RECESSION DEPENDING ON WHICH INDICATORS YOU LOOK AT.

THAT ALWAYS AFFECTS HOW WE'RE DOING WITH THIS GRANT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT DETERMINES HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE INVESTING.

YEP. NO.

THANKS FOR THAT. NO PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MARK.

SO WITH DAVID HAYWARD'S RETIREMENT DEPARTURE, WE NEED A NEW CHAIR.

[C. Selection of new Chair and possibly Vice-Chair]

DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS OR NOMINATIONS? EMILY, I WOULD SAY YOU DID A GREAT JOB TODAY.

VERY STRONG CANDIDATE.

I AGREE. YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT YOURSELF.

SARAH, DOES IT REQUIRE ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT I HAVE BEEN CURRENTLY DOING? I'M ASSUMING I MAY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF TRAINING OR NO YOU'RE DOING JUST FINE.

THE ONLY THING THAT THE PREVIOUS CHAIR AND I DID WAS OCCASIONALLY WE WOULD CATCH UP WITH EACH OTHER BEFORE I SENT THE AGENDA OUT.

AND I WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU WANTED CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAY BE MORE SENSITIVE, HANDLED CERTAIN WAYS.

OH, OKAY. OR IF WE HAD AN APPEAL LIKE WE DID A FEW YEARS AGO, WE WENT WE WERE IN CHARGE OF LIKE GOING OVER WITH THE CLERK.

ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE, WELL, HOW DO WE HANDLE AN APPEAL AND WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME? AND DO WE DO THIS RIGHT? LIKE, SO YOU GET INVOLVED IN THOSE PROCEDURAL DISCUSSIONS.

THE CHAIR CAN ALSO ASK FOR THINGS TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA.

LIKE THEY CAN JUST CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, COULD YOU PUT THIS AS A DISCUSSION ITEM I WANT TO SEE ON THE AGENDA? AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THEIR ROLES VERSUS THE ROLES OF EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU SARAH. IS THIS ENTICING ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, I. I DO HAVE TO MAKE ONE POINT HERE, WHICH IS THAT COMMISSIONER WEBBER AND COMMISSIONER KELLY BOTH STILL NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED.

SO, TECHNICALLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE SITTING WITH AN INTACT APPOINTMENT ON THIS COMMISSION IS COMMISSIONER DALE, COMMISSIONER DEA AND COMMISSIONER HORN.

OKAY, WELL, THEN I GUESS I'LL ACCEPT IT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER DEA AND COMMISSIONER HORN HAVE BEEN APPOINTED VERY RECENTLY.

YES. SO I'M HAPPY TO BE CHAIR TO LOOK GREAT ON MY RESUME.

BUT THEN THAT ALSO MEANS WE NEED A NEW CO-CHAIR.

ANY, I CANNOT VOLUNTEER FOR THIS ONE.

ANY VOLUNTEERS OR NOMINATIONS? DOES THAT MEAN THAT COMMISSIONER WEBBER AND COMMISSIONER KELLY ARE ALSO INELIGIBLE FOR CO-CHAIR.

NOBODY'S INELIGIBLE.

IT'S JUST IT WAS JUST A CONSIDERATION IN CASE THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR THEIR REAPPOINTMENT.

AND WE GOT ENOUGH APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE RIGHT NOW.

THEY COULD BE NOT ON THE COMMISSION SUDDENLY.

I USUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A HPC APPOINTMENT AND LATER ON IN THE MISCELLANEOUS TWO FROM I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RECRUITMENT.

BUT YEAH, IT WAS JUST MY ADVICE WOULD HAVE BEEN MAKE SURE IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S CURRENTLY APPOINTED FOR A CHAIR, THEN VICE CHAIR UP TO YOU GUYS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER WEBER OR COMMISSIONER KELLY WOULD MAKE FANTASTIC CO-CHAIRS.

THEY'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR A WHILE NOW.

YEAH, AND SARAH, WHAT DO WE.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO TO? DO WE NEED TO SEND IN ANOTHER APPLICATION OR IS THAT HOW WAS THAT WORKING? CAN YOU SEND AN EMAIL TO US ABOUT HOW TO GET UP TO DATE ON THAT OR IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

YES, I WILL SEND YOU BOTH AN EMAIL WITH ALL THE INFORMATION TOMORROW.

OKAY, GREAT.

ANY VOLUNTEERS FOR CO-CHAIR OR NOMINATIONS FOR CO-CHAIR?

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I GUESS. YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONER WEBER WAS GOING WITH THAT.

YEAH. YEAH, I WOULD BE MAYBE I GUESS I'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING THE CO-CHAIR.

FOR THE VICE CHAIR.

SORRY. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE ON THIS? THIS REQUIRES A VOTE.

I THINK IT DOES SO I THINK THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION.

AND NOW YOU SHOULD MAKE MOTION.

AND IF IT NEEDS A NOMINATION, I'D BE HAPPY TO NOMINATE MR. WEBER, IF THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR FIRST.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CHAIR.

I MOTION TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER DALE AS CHAIR.

I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEA AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? VERY GOOD. NOW WE NEED A VICE-CHAIR CO-CHAIR.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? THIS IS COMMISSIONER KELLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MR. WEBER TO BE THE CO CHAIR/ VICE CHAIR AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

YAY CHAIR.

YAY! WELL DONE.

OKAY. NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO REPORTS.

[8. REPORTS]

MARK, ANY OF THAT STAND OUT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR US TODAY? YEAH, I'D LIKE MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT NUMBER THREE.

THE CANOPY REMOVAL ON THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT HAS A COSMIC CYCLE IN IT.

IT LOST ANY HISTORIC ROOTS TO IT WITH LIKE A BRICK FACING IN MULTIPLE CHANGES.

AND THEN THEY ADDED A STYLE THAT REALLY I DON'T THAT I DID NOT FEEL WAS APPROPRIATE.

SO REMOVAL OF THAT SPANISH STYLE AWNING COLONNADE THAT GOES ALONG THERE.

I DID APPROVE THAT AS A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT THAT HBO CAN DO.

SO I THINK THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING WITH A SIMPLIFIED, MORE MODERN AWNING PROPOSED AND IMPROVING SOME OF THE DETERIORATION.

JUST SO YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED WHEN YOU SEE THAT CURRENT SPANISH STYLE COME OFF OF THAT BUILDING? HOPEFULLY YOU'LL AGREE WITH THAT DETERMINATION.

LITTLE AMERICA, I PROBABLY COULD HAVE HANDLED THAT ONE POTENTIALLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

BUT I'M HOPING THAT I CAN KEEP TALKING TO THE OWNERS AND THE CONTRACTOR, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT AS AN ENTIRE CAMPUS TO BE LISTED IN NATIONAL REGISTER AS A UNIQUE LITTLE PROPERTY.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I'M POINTING OUT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE OR ANY OF THE OTHERS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARK, FOR THOSE.

ANY OH NO, THAT WAS JUST ALL OF THE REPORTS OF PROOFS AND CONSULTATIONS.

ALL RIGHT, SARAH, WHAT ARE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO DO THE CONSULTATION.

I DIDN'T DO THAT. I'M SORRY.

YES, PLEASE.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS SO AMAZINGLY COOPERATIVE ON OUR SPECIAL MEETING AND CLEARING THE WAY FOR THAT PROJECT.

WE MANAGED TO GET CULTURAL RESOURCE CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO DO THE REPORTING, TO ACTUALLY DO ONSITE INVESTIGATION AT THAT SITE AND TO PREPARE IT FOR FLOOD CONTROL.

SO YOU'RE AN INTEGRAL PART OF GETTING THAT THROUGH.

AND IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE WHAT [INAUDIBLE] AND NATURAL RESOURCES HAS DONE AND THE CITY ITSELF, IN PROCEEDING WITH THAT PROJECT TO PROTECT NOT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS DOWNSTREAM, ARE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

SO IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAD THE SPECIAL MEETING AND WE REVIEWED THAT AND PROCEEDED.

IT WAS QUITE CHALLENGING FOR ME AS WELL.

SO I'M PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

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THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THE TAIL END OF THAT PROJECT.

SARA NOW WHAT ARE ADDITIONAL ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[9. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]

SO OUR FORMER CHAIR, HAYWARD, HE TRIED.

HE JOINED LATE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW.

I THINK HE WAS PLANNING TO COME AND TALK IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

BUT I TALKED TO HIM THIS WEEK AND THANKED HIM FOR HIS SERVICE AS PART OF THE COMMISSION.

AND HE I ASKED HIM A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, WHICH IS, WOULD HE LIKE TO HAVE A GATHERING SO WE CAN CEREMONIOUSLY SEND HIM OFF? AND HE DID SAY HE WOULD LIKE THAT.

HE ASKED IF WE COULD DO THAT MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY AT A OUTDOOR PATIO AND ENCOURAGED THE BRINGING OF CHILDREN AND HE PLANS TO BRING HIS KIDDOS TO MEET EVERYBODY.

THE SUGGESTION WAS THIS BE AROUND THE AFTER WORK TIMES.

SO I WONDERED IF EVERYBODY COULD PULL UP THEIR CALENDAR FOR THE SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH AND NINTH AND MAYBE GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT IF ANY OF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.

I COULD DO THE SEVENTH OR THE EIGHTH.

YEAH. I COULD MAKE EITHER OF THOSE DAYS WORK TOO.

SAME HERE. SEVENTH OR EIGHTH WOULD BE BEST FOR ME TOO.

YEAH, I THINK THEY CAN MAKE THAT WORK ALSO.

SO WE SHOULD I SCHEDULE SOME I WILL SCHEDULE A NOTICE OF POTENTIAL QUORUM ON THE SEVENTH AND IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY.

THAT'S OUR REGULAR MEETING DAY ANYWAY.

YEAH, IT'S KIND OF WE SEE WE'RE A WEDNESDAY CROWD, SO MAYBE THAT'S A HELPFUL WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

ALL RIGHT. LET ME GET A NOTE TO MYSELF ON THE SEVENTH.

WE'LL HAVE. I WILL I WILL SEND DETAILS AND ADVERTISE THE POTENTIAL QUORUM FOR FOR THAT DATE.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS RECRUITMENT.

SO AS I SAID A LITTLE EARLIER, WE TECHNICALLY ONLY HAVE THREE PROPERLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW.

SO CAITLIN CHARLIE, I'VE ALREADY SAID I'LL SEND YOU INFORMATION ON YOUR REAPPOINTMENT OPTIONS RIGHT NOW OR ACTUALLY TOMORROW, BUT THEN WE NEED MORE APPLICATIONS THAN WE HAVE VACANCIES IN ORDER TO GET COUNCIL TO DO APPOINTMENTS.

I'VE ASKED THE CLERK IF, GIVEN THAT WE'RE DOWN TO FIVE, THAT WE COULD AT LEAST SEND THE TWO TOTALLY UNFILLED POSITIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ONCE WE HAVE THREE.

BUT RIGHT NOW I HAVE ONE APPLICATION, SO WE NEED TO GET IN AT LEAST TWO MORE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET BACK TO SEVEN.

IN ADDITION TO CAITLIN AND CHARLIE POSSIBLY ASKING FOR REAPPOINTMENT AND PROBABLY FOUR MORE, INCLUDING THEM IN ORDER TO GET FULLY APPOINTED CORRECTLY AGAIN.

SO I REALLY NEED SOME HELP WITH THE RECRUITMENT.

REACH OUT TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW AND COLLEAGUES AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

I'LL BE MAKING MY FAVORITE PHONE CALLS AGAIN WHERE THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE I KEEP TRYING TO ENTICE AND THEY KEEP SAYING, NOT NOW, SO I'LL JUST KEEP CALLING THEM UNTIL THEY SAY MAYBE NOW. AND I KNOW MARK HAS A FEW PEOPLE HE'S BEEN TRYING TO PERSUADE.

SO I THINK IF EVERYBODY COULD TRY IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO MAKE ANOTHER CONCERTED EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW WOULD BENEFIT, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FOR ME? ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC CATEGORIES WE NEED FILLED? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND TWO PROFESSIONAL AND THREE PROFESSIONALS, WHICH IS GREAT.

AND I KNOW WHAT THE ONE APPLICATION WE HAVE IS ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL.

SO WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR AT-LARGE MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND TWO PROFESSIONALS.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEBODY WHO WAS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER JOINED THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK BOTH SHELLY AND CAITLIN, THOUGH CAITLIN HAS MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES, DON'T OWN COMMERCIAL FRONTAGES AND THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF A BALANCE WE TRIED TO KEEP IN HERE, USED TO BE JERRY, AND THEN DAVID KIND OF FILLED THAT ROLE.

THERE'S JUST ALWAYS SORT OF A DIFFERENT INTEREST IN THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOPFRONTS.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.02 ON HOW WE TRY AND KEEP THE COMMISSION BALANCED IN TERMS OF OUR RECRUITING.

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BUT NO, SO RIGHT NOW ANYBODY COULD APPLY SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST COOL AND INTERESTED AND YOU'D WANT TO SPEND A WEDNESDAY EVENING WITH ONCE A MONTH WOULD BE GREAT.

THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF FLAGSTAFF, THOUGH THEY CAN'T LIVE IN KACHINA OR BELMONT OR ANYTHING.

AWESOME. THANKS.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU? THAT IS IT FOR ME.

OTHER THAN, OH, I'D ONE MORE THING.

JORDAN AND I ARE BOTH GONE NEXT WEEK FOR THE STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE.

BUT MARK IS GOING TO BE HERE AND HE DECIDED TO SKIP THE PLANNING CONFERENCE AND GO TO A IN A LUXURY RESORT IN SCOTTSDALE AND GO TO EXCITING YUMA FOR THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER, WHERE HE WILL BE DOING A VERY EXCITING PRESENTATION ON CROSSROADS.

AND I HOPE HE'LL TELL YOU MORE ABOUT WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AND PRESENTING BEFORE HE HEADS OFF.

BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND YOU WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL TRAINING OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE OFFERED OCCASIONALLY AND SAID LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN GO OFF AND THERE'S OFTEN LIKE A DAY OF COMMISSION OR TRAINING. SO ALL OF MARK AND I PUT TOGETHER AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT AND SEND IT TO YOU ALL.

AND IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN TO THE STATE CONFERENCE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION YET.

THIS CAN BE YOUR YEAR OR YOU CAN SKIP IT AND WAIT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

BUT WE WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WE CAN HELP AT LEAST GET PEOPLE DOWN THERE FOR THE TRAININGS OR IF IT'S BEING OFFERED VIRTUALLY.

WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BUT. ALWAYS GOOD TO KEEP YOU GUYS FULLY TRAINED AND READY TO HANDLE ALL THE BUSINESS THAT COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S IT FOR ME. WELL, THANKS.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? SO I HAD A QUESTION. I KNOW WE HAD PREVIOUSLY JULY TALKED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT GOING BACK TO IN-PERSON.

IS THAT STILL A CONVERSATION THAT CITY COUNCIL IS HAVING? UM CITY COUNCIL HAS GONE BACK IN PERSON OR HYBRID THE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO HYBRID THIS MONTH BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I RAN OUT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PULL IT OFF.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CHAOS IN THE LAST WEEK BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER THINGS.

I'M I THINK THAT THE KEY I'VE HEARD IS THAT ONLY ONE OTHER COMMISSION HAS TRIED TO GO BACK TO IN-PERSON.

AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS THERE WAS ONLY ONE COMMISSION MEMBER THERE THE FIRST TIME.

THE SECOND TIME THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THERE, BUT NONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SHOWED UP IN PERSON.

AND THAT WAS VERY AWKWARD.

IT WASN'T. I WON'T NAME THE COMMISSION, BUT HEARD ABOUT IT THROUGH THE THROUGH THE BOARD AND COMMISSION LIAISON GROUP.

SO I THINK IF WE IF WE REALLY WANT TO COMMIT TO COMING BACK IN PERSON, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE WILLING TO SHOW UP IN PERSON ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR SITTING UP THERE AND EVERYONE ELSE IS ONLINE, SO.

BUT IT WAS MY BAD.

I THINK WE HAD PLANNED AUGUST TO BE OUR FIRST HYBRID MEETING AND I JUST COULDN'T GET IT DONE.

SO THAT WAS ON. THAT WAS JUST MY WORKLOAD ISSUE.

OH, THAT'S FINE. I HAD COMPLETELY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE JUST GOING TO IN AUGUST, WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT GOING BACK IN PERSON.

OH, I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT IN AUGUST.

I JUST DIDN'T. I KNEW THAT COMING IN THAT IT JUST WASN'T REALISTIC FOR ME.

THIS MONTH, WE'RE GETTING READY FOR ALL THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WORKSHOPS FOR THE REGIONAL PLAN AT THE SAME TIME, AND THAT'S GOT TO BE OUR PRIORITY THIS WEEK.

I'M HAPPY TO. I'M HAPPY TO GIVE IT A SHOT NEXT MONTH OR OCTOBER OR WAIT TILL THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT.

WELL, I KNOW I'M DEFINITELY GETTING BURNED OUT FROM ZOOM MEETINGS, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? WE JUST WAIT TILL WE HAVE A FULL COMMITTEE AGAIN.

I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE IN PERSON.

I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A RICHER EXPERIENCE AND GET TO SEE ALL OF YOU IN PERSON.

BUT I AM SO ACCUSTOMED TO GETTING ON HERE LAST MINUTE.

SO THEN THERE'S THE CONVENIENCE PIECE.

SO I'M FLEXIBLE EITHER WAY.

COMMISSIONER WEBBER COMMISSIONER KELLY, ANY THOUGHTS? I AGREE THAT IT'S MORE I DON'T KNOW, MORE MEANINGFUL IN PERSON, BUT TO BE HONEST.

IT'S MUCH.

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IT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED FOR ME.

I ENJOY THE ZOOM FOR FOR NOW.

BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST ME.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M FLEXIBLE.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE PEOPLE, BUT YEAH, I THINK I DON'T.

I DON'T HOLD TOO STRONG AN OPINION EITHER WAY.

IT WAS SAID EARLIER IT HAS BEEN NICE TO JUST BE ABLE TO HOP ON AND NOT HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

HOW TO GET DOWNTOWN AND ALL THAT.

OH. WHY DON'T WE JUST STAY ONLINE FOR NOW? AND THEN WE CAN. IF AND WHEN WE GET NEW COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN GET THEIR INPUT TO.

LET'S SEE HOW THEY FEEL. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

YEAH. AND THEN, SARAH, OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL US, HEY, CITY COUNCIL SAYS EVERYONE'S IN PERSON AGAIN AND WE'LL SHOW UP, BUT.

WE HAVEN'T HIT THAT BUTTON YET.

SO IF IT COMES UP, I'M SURE THAT THE STACEY'S OUR CITY CLERK AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY CLERK WILL LET US KNOW.

THANKS. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME.

I DID. ON NOT GETTING THAT DONE RIGHT AWAY.

AND HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN, WE'LL JUST BRING IT UP.

I'LL PUT IT ON LIKE THE QUARTERLY SCHEDULE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU ALL.

LIKE EVERY THREE MONTHS, WE'LL POP IT ON THE AGENDA.

LIKE, SHOULD WE GO BACK TO IN PERSON OR NOT.

RIGHT. MARK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WE REALLY LIKE A QUORUM.

VERY MUCH APPRECIATE.

YES, THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING SURE UP TO THE LAST MINUTE THAT WE HAD A QUORUM, AS WE ARE ONLY FIVE NOW ONLY ONE OF YOU AT A TIME CAN BE ABSENT OR WE ARE SKIPPING THAT MONTH.

SO THANK YOU.

YEAH. AND I'M SORRY FOR NOT RESPONDING.

I JUST DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.

SO I WAS DELAYED IN GETTING BACK TO YOU SARAH.

SORRY. OH, NO, IT'S FINE.

WE'RE. WE'RE HERE. WE GOT.

WE GOT THE COMMISSION'S BUSINESS DONE, AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

AND WE ALWAYS YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, CHAIR DALE IS THAT WHENEVER WE DON'T GET ANY APPLICATIONS AND ALL WE HAVE IS WORK SESSION ITEMS, MARK AND I ALWAYS CALL THE CHAIR AND SAY, HEY, SHOULD WE CONTINUE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MANY WORK SESSIONS TO GET THROUGH OR SHOULD WE SHOULD WE CANCEL BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS TO DO SO.

WE TRY AND BE REALLY CONSCIENTIOUS THAT NOT YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOW UP JUST TO SHOW UP.

WE SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THINGS TO DO.

RIGHT. ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. THEN AT 5:09 ON AUGUST 17TH, 2022, I CALLED THIS MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO A CLOSE.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR ALL YOUR WORK TODAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.