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CHAIR DALE I BELIEVE THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYBODY, TO THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON THIS WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 21ST, 2022, AT 4 P.M.

I CALL US TO ORDER.

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ROLL CALL.

CHAIR EMILY DALE, PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER HORN IS EXCUSED.

COMMISSIONER DEA.

PRESENT, MR. KELLY. PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM IS EXCUSED.

AND SHE MAY ARRIVE LATER, DEPENDING ON HER TRAVEL SCHEDULE.

COMMISSIONER BURCHAM, PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, HERE.

WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US BOTH OKAY IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, CHAIR DALE? YES. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT FOR NEW MEMBERS WE'VE BEEN ROTATING OUT WHO IS READING THIS.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

SO, BERNADETTE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT FOR TODAY? SURE. YOU KNOW WHAT? I MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE ELSE READ IT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT.

I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT? DO YOU HAVE YOUR AGENDA OPEN? I CAN PUT IT IN THE CHAT IF YOU'D LIKE COMMISSIONER BURCHAM JUST HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE THREE NEW COMMISSIONERS, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT SLOW.

YES. JUST WANT TO GET THEM INVOLVED.

YES. YOU'LL FIND THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT IN THE CHAT NOW IFYOU OPEN IT. OKAY.

OH, OKAY. I SEE IT RIGHT HERE.

OKAY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS OFF, CORRECT? YEP. OKAY.

SORRY. IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO.

OH, THAT'S OKAY. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT. THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS, SACRED TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA? CHAIR DALE I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE CURRENTLY, ACTUALLY, BUT SOMEONE NEW IS JOINING.

SO HANG ON A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022, OUR LAST MISSION COMMISSION

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the Minutes of the September 21, 2022, Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]

MEETING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KELLY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY.

EXCUSE ME FOR JUST A SECOND.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TAKE AN ACTION ON THE MOTION, I HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE MINUTES.

[6. PUBLIC HEARING]

OH, OKAY.

SO, IN THE MINUTES, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT ALL OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR NAMES APPEARED IN PREVIOUS MINUTES.

AND ON THE NEXT ON THIS, THE MINUTES THAT WE WILL APPROVE NEXT MONTH.

IF YOU SEE YOUR NAME ON THERE AND YOU THINK IT'S INCORRECT, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

TODAY WE'RE GOING OVER THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES.

BUT THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF LOOKING AT MINUTES WHEN WE RECONVENE AGAIN IN JANUARY.

YES. THANK YOU.

WE HAVE VERY WE HAVE A VERY GOOD MINUTES TAKER WHO'S VERY THOROUGH ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAY SO.

THAT WAS ALL. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO CHANGE THE MOTION.

SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE, AYE.

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ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, IS THAT CORRECT SARA AND MARK? YES. OKAY, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO GENERAL BUSINESS.

[A. Introduction of New Commission Members Abbey Buckham, Bernadette, Burcham, and Duffy Westheimer have been appointed as new members of the Heritage Preservation Commission. Charlie Webber has completed his service on the commission.]

OUR FIRST ITEM IS INTRODUCING OUR NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS.

SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED THREE NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

DUFFIE WESTHEIMER AND BERNADETTE BURCHAM ARE BOTH ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

AND THEN ABBEY BUCKHAM, WHO IS NOT ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

THE COMMISSIONERS MAY KNOW BECAUSE SHE WAS OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AIDE A FEW YEARS AGO AND SHE NOW WORKS AT THE COUNTY.

AND COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR WEBBER HAS, OF COURSE, COMPLETED HIS SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION.

WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE HIS SERVICE TONIGHT, BUT HE'S ASKED US TO POSTPONE THAT UNTIL JANUARY.

SO I'LL JUST HAND IT BACK TO CHAIR DALE AND LET YOU DO ROUNDS OF INTRODUCTIONS OF ALL THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

YES. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR JOINING OUR COMMISSION.

DO YOU WANT US DO YOU WANT THEM TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES OR.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT, BERNADETTE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET US STARTED? THANK YOU AGAIN FOR READING OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

IF YOU COULD JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

THANK YOU. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.

MY NAME IS BERNADETTE BURCHAM.

I GREW UP HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.

NOT EXACTLY A NATIVE.

I WASN'T BORN HERE, BUT LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE HERE.

WENT TO NAU TWICE.

THE FIRST DEGREE I RECEIVED WAS A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE AND HISTORY.

SO I DO LOVE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH FLAGSTAFF HISTORY OR HISTORY IN GENERAL.

AND THEN I ALSO RECEIVED A BACHELOR'S IN NURSING.

SO I'M A REGISTERED NURSE UP HERE AT THE HOSPITAL CURRENTLY.

AND YEAH, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AND ONE HUSBAND.

AND I'M JUST SO APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE APPOINTED ME TO THE COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, SO THANK YOU.

BERNADETTE, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR CAMERA FOR JUST A SECOND? SURE. IF YOU HAVE THE BANDWIDTH.

YOU GUYS SEE ME? WE DO.

YEAH, WE JUST ALWAYS WE JUST TURN CAMERAS ON JUST SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN WE TURN THEM OFF BECAUSE OF OUR BANDWIDTH.

SOUNDS GOOD. THANKS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELCOME ABOARD, DUFFIE.

DUFFIE WESTHEIMER.

I AM A I WASN'T BORN HERE, BUT I HAVE LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE HERE.

I'VE BEEN HERE SOMETHING LIKE 43 YEARS NOW, LIVE DOWN THE STREET FROM CITY HALL FOR 34 YEARS, INVOLVED WITH CREATING THE TOWNSITE OVERLAY DISTRICT ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE].

MY EDUCATION IS GEOGRAPHY, STUDIO ART, MUSEUM STUDIES AND APPLIED CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGY.

WORKED IN MUSEUMS. I WAS AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR 30 YEARS.

WHAT ELSE? AND I'M FOUNDER OF THE FLAGSTAFF TOWNSITE HISTORIC PROPERTIES COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, AND OUR MISSION IS PROMOTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT WITH PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.

THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH INFORMATION.

AND I HAVE NO CAMERA TO TURN ON, AND I WOULD TURN IT ON.

EVERYONE, PLEASE COME TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM IN PERSON IT'S SO MUCH BETTER.

I'LL TURN OFF OUR CAMERA FOR YOU.

VERY WELL. WELCOME.

AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU, BERNADETTE AND DUFFIE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM, SARA? THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BRIEFLY TO DUFFIE AND BERNADETTE.

I'M EMILY DALE.

I AM A HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGIST.

I TEACH AT NAU AND I HAVE BEEN IN FLAGSTAFF FOR SEVEN YEARS.

AND ON THE COMMISSION FOR FOUR OR FIVE.

I DON'T KNOW. COVID BROKE MY SENSE OF TIME, A WHILE.

CAITLIN, DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT? SURE, I'LL GO NEXT.

WELCOME ABOARD THE NEW MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CAITLIN.

I'VE LIVED IN FLAGSTAFF.

MY GOODNESS. NEARLY 15 YEARS NOW.

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I AM.

I HAVE A BACHELOR'S IN FINANCE FROM NAU.

I OWN A HOUSE DOWNTOWN.

WELL, MORE THAN A HOUSE. A PROPERTY, A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY DOWNTOWN.

AND MY WORK I'M CAREER IS I'M A REAL ESTATE AGENT.

AND I JUST I LOVE THE DOWNTOWN STREETS MORE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.

AND SO BEING A PART OF THIS COMMISSION IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

AND I'M HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE, TOO.

AND I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TURN MY CAMERA ON.

I'M NOT EITHER. I'M VERY SICK AND SURROUNDED BY TISSUES AND [INAUDIBLE] AND SHELLI.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AS WELL.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

CAN YOU GUYS. OKAY.

HELLO. MY NAME IS SHELLI DAE, AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FLAGSTAFF FOR I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO THE MATH AND THINK IT'S 18 YEARS NOW.

I HAVE A MULTIFAMILY HOME DOWNTOWN AS WELL AND RECEIVED MY MASTER'S IN CLINICAL MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING FROM NAU AND DUFFIE I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WITH YOU, BUT UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE TIME BEING I'LL BE WORKING IN PHENIX ON WEDNESDAYS, SO.

BUT IF I CAN JOIN YOU, I DEFINITELY WILL.

BUT THIS ALSO IS A VERY HELPFUL OPTION SO.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. AND WE WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT AMY AND ABBEY NEXT WEEK OR IF ABBEY OR NEXT MONTH.

AND IF ABBEY GETS IN, WE CAN HAVE HER INTRODUCE HERSELF.

SHE GETS IN A LITTLE BIT LATE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE, SARA? NOPE. THAT WAS IT. OH, SINCE CHARLIE WEBBER HAS COMPLETED HIS SERVICE, WE NEED A NEW VICE CHAIR.

I DON'T EXPECT ANY OF THE NEW PEOPLE TO DO IT, OBVIOUSLY.

DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS OR NOMINATIONS? I WOULD NOMINATE CAITLIN.

I THINK SHE HAS BEEN ON THE COMMISSION'S SECOND LONGEST AFTER ME.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND I WAS AFRAID TO SAY THAT.

THAT'S HOW I FELT WHEN I WAS NOMINATED.

I REALLY DON'T THINK MAKES SENSE FOR ME TO BE THE NEXT ONE.

BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP, I JUST REALLY.

I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M THE BEST CANDIDATE.

SO IF ANYONE ELSE.

IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER, I PLAN ON BEING AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS.

I'M NOT FANCY ENOUGH TO EVER HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF, SO I GET NERVOUS ENOUGH JUST TO COMMENT, LET ALONE LEAD THE MEETING.

I HAVE A BACK OF THE CLASS KIND OF GAL, SO PLEASE.

SHELLI YOU'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR A WHILE NOW TOO.

IS THAT A ROLE YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE DOING, OR? I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT I KNOW THAT CONSISTENTLY I'LL HAVE TO BE IN PHENIX.

AND IF THERE'S EVER I DON'T KNOW, I JUST.

I GUESS I JUST WORRY THAT WHAT IF I'M NOT AVAILABLE? I DON'T. I CAN OFFER PROCEDURAL INFORMATION ON THAT, IF I MAY.

SO IF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ARE NOT PRESENT, THEN THE CHAIR CAN REQUEST ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO CHAIR THE MEETING TEMPORARILY. THEY JUST HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO ME OF WHO IS THE TEMPORARY CHAIR? SO WHOEVER IS VICE CHAIR, YOU'RE REALLY JUST BACK UP IF EMILY IS SICK AND NOT ABLE TO SURROUND HERSELF WITH TISSUES REMOTELY.

LIKE, SAY SHE LOST HER VOICE OR SOMETHING.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN OPTION IF YOU'RE UNAVAILABLE ON A DATE THAT SHE IS ALSO UNAVAILABLE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT CAITLIN.

AND THANK YOU YEAH. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HONESTY AND WILLINGNESS HERE.

[B. Nominations and Appointment of New Vice-Chair Charlie Webber was the vice-chair of the Commission and a new vice-chair needs to be selected and appointed by motion. ]

SO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER SLASH NOMINATION AND SHELLI, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? YES, YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, A FIRST, A SECOND, A MOTION TO VICE-CHAIR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER, AS SHELLI DEA TO BE VICE CHAIR.

CAN WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER KELLY, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER DAE TO BE THE NEW VICE CHAIR.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER BURCHAM, AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE.

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ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS, VICE CHAIR DEA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT? NO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND NOW WE HAVE FOR THE AGENDA A WHOLE BUNCH OF APPROVALS AND REPORTS AND CONSULTATIONS.

[8. REPORTS]

TYPICALLY JUST FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONER MEMBERS.

WE DON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, BUT MARK TENDS TO PICK ONES THAT HE THINKS ARE INTERESTING OR EXCITING AND JUST SORT OF GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ALSO FOCUS ON ANYTHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON.

BUT WE'LL JUST, I THINK FOR NOW, TURN IT OVER TO MARK AND LET HIM TELL US WHAT HE THINKS THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THAT ARE.

IT'S A DEAL. MARK REAVIS, HERE I AM, YOUR HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER.

BEEN IN FLAGSTAFF THREE YEARS NOW, SO.

ON APPROVALS IT'S INTERESTING THAT I HAVE THAT LEVEL OF I MAKE AN APPROVAL AND ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED AND YOU CAN JUST ASK QUESTIONS.

BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE APPROVAL.

THAT'S JUST A FORMALITY.

INTERESTING ON THE REVEREND CLAYTON'S HOME ON LONE TREE.

HE WAS A PASTOR FOR SPRING HILL BAPTIST CHURCH.

SO I HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING DIFFERENT TYPES OF CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES.

AND FOR THIS HOUSE THAT WASN'T IN THE BEST OF SHAPE AND PROBABLY WAS MINIMALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE SOUTH SIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I HAD A LETTER REPORT DONE.

SO THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT THE REVEREND AND THE HOUSE, AND THAT DOCUMENTATION IS IN OUR RECORDS.

BULL WHIP CELL TOWER.

WE GET TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE GIANT CELL TOWER TREES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STREET GOING NORTH.

IT'S ACTUALLY ON MUSEUM PROPERTY.

THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING.

BUT WE DON'T. WE DO HAVE TO APPROVE CELL TOWERS, ULTIMATELY.

WE'LL SKIP OVER THE SOLAR ROOF.

CONSULTATIONS, 516 NORTH LEROUX I DID GO OVER THAT ONCE WITH SOME COMMISSION MEMBERS.

IT'S A VERY INTERESTING HOUSE THAT'S BEEN ADDED ON TO A LOT OF TIMES.

THE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO DO A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW ESSENTIAL THE FEDERAL TAX CREDIT IS AND THAT IT'S $0.20 BACK ON THE DOLLAR OF INVESTMENT IN A PROPERTY.

SO I'VE BEEN MORE INVOLVED THAN MOST PEOPLE, MOST PRESERVATION OFFICERS IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH.

I TRIED REAL HARD ON THE EL PUEBLO MOTEL.

I WAS FAIRLY CLOSE TO GETTING IT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS 11 MOST THREATENED.

THEY DID NOT PICK THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO KEEP WORKING WITH THE OWNER AND WITH THE NATIONAL TRUST ON PRESERVING THAT REALLY IMPORTANT MOTEL WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NAVAJO CODE TALKERS AND A SIGNIFICANT PERSON THAT THOUGHT OF THAT ENTIRE IDEA.

AMERICAN INN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THAT, THAT'S 2650 EAST ROUTE 66 IT'S NEAR THE IHOP.

THE OFFICE BUILDING I NOTED THEY'RE DOING WORK ON THE OFFICE BUILDING, BUT IT WAS NOT ACTUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTEL.

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK ON HOW BIG THAT UNIQUE MOTEL IS, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ROUTE 66 MOTEL THAT'S GOING TO BE RESTORED.

SO THEY'RE DOING A SIGNIFICANT RECONSTRUCTION ON THAT.

ON WE'LL CALL IT THE FLEET BUILDING.

BUT THE OLD PUBLIC WORKS HERE ON THORPE PARK.

THE COUNCIL DID LOOK AT THE CONCEPT.

I WAS INVOLVED IN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS ON DEVELOPING CONCEPTS FOR THE INDIGENOUS CULTURAL CENTER, WHICH IS THE FLEET BUILDING. SO IT'S PRETTY FIRMLY ESTABLISHED THAT BUILDING, THAT HISTORIC BUILDING WILL END UP BEING THE INDIGENOUS CULTURAL CENTER. VERY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING, I THINK, AND A WHOLE LOT OF SECTION 106 COMPLIANCE.

AND JUST ONE LAST THING.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.

THE COCONINO COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND JAIL ARE NOT LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WHICH IS SURPRISING.

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SO I'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARD GETTING THEM TO LIST IT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

THEY'VE PUT IN A GRANT WITH EPA TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND FULLY COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THE LITTLE HISTORIC JAIL.

SO THAT'S OFTEN MORE THAN WHAT I TALK THROUGH.

BUT SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MAJOR THINGS TO EVALUATE, I THOUGHT I WOULD GO THROUGH THOSE .

QUESTIONS. MARK, WESTHEIMER HAS A QUESTION.

A FEW QUESTIONS.

YEAH. DUFFIE YEAH.

SO LET ME CAN I JUST QUICKLY I'LL JUST GO OVER FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS.

IF WE'RE IN AN ITEM LIKE EIGHT OR MARK'S JUST WORKING THROUGH HIS REPORTS, THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN INTERJECT.

YOU CAN EITHER SAY, MARK, CAN YOU STOP THERE? AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ITEM WHEN HE GOES OVER IT, OR WE CAN WAIT TILL THE END OF EIGHT AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER ITEM EITHER EIGHT A OR EIGHT B, AND WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY FLEXIBLE IN THAT IN TERMS OF PROCEDURES.

SO UNLESS THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR CALLS AN AUDIBLE, BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE DURING REPORTS.

AND THEN I'LL LET COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER WORK THROUGH HER QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.

SO FOR THE CLAYTON HOME.

DID YOU SHARE THAT LITERARY REPORT? I DON'T REMEMBER READING IT, DID I MISS THAT? I DID NOT ATTACH THAT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ATTACH THAT OUT TO EVERYONE.

SURE. GREAT. PROBABLY A GOOD THAT'D BE DEFINITELY A GOOD THING FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT LEVEL A LETTER REPORT IS.

IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE PIECE OF PAPER.

IT INCLUDES RESEARCH, PHOTO, DOCUMENTATION, AND EVALUATION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.

SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION.

YEAH. FOR ITEMS LIKE THAT, MARK, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T INCLUDE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING ALL THE APPROVALS.

SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THAT INFORMATION.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

YEAH. YES.

YEAH. I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WHEN I DO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THE SIMPLEST OF THINGS, THAT'S STILL MORE THAN LIKELY A $5,000 BILL FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

YEAH, YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING, AS A RULE OF THUMB, WE TYPICALLY HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THOSE KINDS OF REPORTS OR THESE THINGS IN REPORTS.

REVIEW. I PERSONALLY WANT TO READ IT BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN THE LETTER REPORTS, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN FLAGSTAFF HISTORY, SO I WANT TO READ IT.

SO ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS PART B, NUMBER ONE, THE FEDERAL TAX CREDIT PROJECT.

AREN'T THOSE AVAILABLE ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS? SO IS THAT A COMMERCIAL? IT'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.

I THINK IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.

HOW ARE THEY QUALIFYING FOR FEDERAL TAX CREDITS? ANY. MADAM CHAIRMAN.

COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

ANY INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY CAN APPLY FOR THE CREDIT.

SO BED AND BREAKFAST CAN APPLY FOR A CREDIT.

RENTALS, COMMERCIAL RENTALS, ESSENTIALLY.

OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT.

NOW, IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY TREATED AS COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, SO ANY RENTAL UNIT.

ANY B AND B CAN BE INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE ONLY DEFINITION IS INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ON THAT, THE AMERICANA INN DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SURVEY OF 66 MOTELS? YES. OKAY.

AND. YEAH.

WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS ONE IT DID NOT MEET THE IT WAS NOT SURVEYED.

SO WHEN IT CAME BEFORE ME TO LOOK AT I LOOKED THROUGH OUR OUR NPS SURVEY AND IT WASN'T THERE.

I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER.

THEY SAID WE'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK ON THE EXTERIOR.

AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THEY'RE HAVING TO REPLACE THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY DECKS THAT RUN ON THAT HUGE MOTEL.

AND THE DETAILS WERE SIMPLE ENOUGH.

IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS.

AND THEN I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY AND THEY WERE RIPPING OFF THE ROOF ON THE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND I'M GOING, WELL, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A SURVEY, SO I HAD TO SEARCH DOWN POSTCARDS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT

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OFFICE WAS ORIGINAL.

AND IT DEFINITELY WAS NOT ORIGINAL.

THE OFFICE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS BASICALLY ABOUT WHERE THE IHOP IS NOW.

SO BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO A NICE JOB AND KIND OF BRING BACK SOME OF THE LOOK OF OF WHAT IT ONCE LOOKED LIKE.

ARE THEY GOING TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL TAX CREDITS? NO. I ASK EVERY DAY.

OKAY. ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS FOR YOUR ON YOUR REPORT FOR THE BALLPARK REINTEGRATION.

YES. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS YOU SHOW [INAUDIBLE].

THE MORE RECENT [INAUDIBLE] GREYHOUND STATION, THE ACTUAL GREYHOUND STATION THAT GREEN ARCHITECTS DID IS RIGHT ACROSS HUMPHREYS FROM CITY HALL.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE THAT PICTURE OUT.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE I MEAN? YEAH. SO YOU HAVE THE WRONG PICTURE UP THERE.

THAT'S NOT A GREEN.

NO THE ONE OVER BY THE DAIRY QUEEN? NO. IT'S MUCH LATER, I THINK I REMEMBER IT BEING BUILT.

OKAY. THE GREEN ONE IS RIGHT ACROSS CITY HALL.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LARGE BAY ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE PAWNSHOP [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S THE OLD GREYHOUND STATION.

OKAY, THAT WAS IN A REPORT.

BUT I CAN BELIEVE THAT EASILY.

AND WE ACTUALLY DID A FACADE GRANT ON THAT.

COOL. OKAY, SO THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BETTER.

ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION ABOUT THAT WHOLE REINTEGRATION PLAN IS I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CONTEXT OF THE ACCESS TO THAT LOCATION BEING THROUGH NOT ONLY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT A NATIONAL REGISTER AND LOCAL DISTRICT WAS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

IT NEEDED TO HAVE HAPPENED.

JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD.

THEN THE OTHER ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS FOR SECTION 106.

THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED, CORRECT.

SO THAT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE REVIEWING THEM FOR 106 COMPLIANCE.

YES. YES.

AND I AM THE ONE THAT I AM THE ONE THAT REVIEWS SECTION 106 AS CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I REVIEW THOSE AND TRY TO DO MY BEST TO PARTICIPATE AND.

THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS CONSULTATION.

MY PHILOSOPHY IS IS RETURNING THE LOST VALUE OF A RESOURCE.

SO THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF IMPACT ALMOST ALL TIMES WITH A FEDERAL UNDERTAKING.

SO THAT'S PART OF MY JOB.

THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION TOO THAT.

SO, LIKE THE BULL WHIP CELL TOWER, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE AGENDA HERE IS THE BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL.

MARK ACTUALLY APPROVED THAT AS A SECTION 106 CONSULTATION, I THINK TWO SUMMERS AGO.

SO OFTEN WHAT YOU SEE ON APPROVALS, THEY CAN BE NOT, THE MOST, THE FIRST APPROVAL IT CAN BE A LATER APPROVAL, WHERE MARK'S CONTINUING TO KEEP YOU UPDATED ON WHETHER PRECEDES OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF LETTER REPORTS AND FEES TOO, THAT WERE PREPARED IN CASE A BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED OR BECAUSE THERE WAS PLANS TO DEMOLISH IT.

AND THE DEMO PERMITS NEVER COME IN.

AND SO THERE'S TIMES WHERE THE DELAY BETWEEN THE INITIAL APPROVAL AND THE SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON A SITE.

IT CAN BE YEARS APART.

AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON SOME OF THOSE THAT THEY ACTUALLY WILL.

IT'LL SAY IT'S A TYPE OF APPROVAL BUILDING PERMIT, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY BEEN A 106.

OUR CODE ALLOWS US TO ACCEPT SECTION 106 CONSULTATION IN PLACE OF ANY OF THE REPORTS THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY. SO IF IT'S DONE IN CONSULTATION WITH [INAUDIBLE] AND WITH MARK AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEN WE DON'T ALSO REQUIRE THE LOCAL REPORT PROCESS.

SO THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION THEN THAT THE PUBLIC CAN LOOK AT? MARK. YEAH, THERE IS.

LOTS OF THE EMAILS THAT GO BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM AND THOSE ARE ALL RECORDS SOMEBODY CAN ASK FOR IF THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR106.

BUT RIGHT NOW IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A LOT OF SECTION 106 REVIEW GOING ON BECAUSE THERE IS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER PROJECT.

THERE IS THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S DOWNTOWN MILE.

THERE IS A FUELS REDUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE ARE HELPING WITH 106 ON ON THE FOREST SERVICE PROPERTIES.

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THERE ARE ONGOING FCC TOWERS LIKE THE BULL WHIP AND THEN THE HUD MONEY THAT WE WERE SPENDING ON EMERGENCY TRANSITIONAL HOUSING HAS SORT OF BEEN REPURPOSED BY HOUSING.

IT WAS REPURPOSED DURING THE PANDEMIC TO ONLY TREAT EMERGENCY HOUSING.

BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO PERMANENT AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

SO REHABILITATION PROGRAMS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND HUD MONEY ARE STARTING TO FLOW THROUGH PROGRAMS THAT NOW IMPACT HISTORIC STRUCTURES AGAIN.

AND IN ADDITION, THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING HAS A SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT IS ALLOWING FOR THE CONVERSION OF HISTORIC OLDER MOTELS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

AND SO THERE'S SPECIFIC GRANTS FOR THAT THAT ARIZONA HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES [INAUDIBLE] TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDING THAT IS MOVING INTO FLAGSTAFF RIGHT NOW FOR VARIOUS PROGRAMS. SO MARK, I THINK WAS JUST PUTTING THIS NUMBER FIVE ON HERE TO GET YOU ALERTED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MAYBE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THERE'S BEEN ONE OR MAYBE TWO SECTION 106 CONSULTATION ITEMS ON EVERY AGENDA.

YOU MIGHT SEE THREE, FOUR OR FIVE UNDER CONSULTATIONS THAT MARK IS WORKING ON AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE 2023 LOOKS TO BE AN EXTREMELY BUSY YEAR FOR PROBABLY THE PEAK THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROGRAM AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SINCE CARL RETIRED.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE FULLY BACK ON THE RADAR NOW.

AND MARK IS SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALL OF THAT WRANGLED IN.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRAIN AND TO TEACH THOSE OF US ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 106.

RIGHT. AND MARK HAS DISCUSSED HAVING THE [INAUDIBLE] COME AND DO A REFRESHER FOR PROJECT MANAGERS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECT MANAGERS WHO NOW HAVE FEDERAL MONEY WHO MAY NEED MORE TRAINING ON 106.

AND IF WE CAN ALSO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND A VIRTUAL TRAINING WHERE YOU CAN LOG IN FOR A WEBINAR, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD GO WILL DRIVE ALL THE WAY UP HERE UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THEY'RE DOING.

BUT THAT'S ON OUR THAT'S ON OUR 2023 WISH LIST.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK WHAT I THINK WE MISSED RIO DE FLAG AND STORM WATER LATERALS THAT PULL WATER OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN NORTH OF THE TRACT. SO I THINK WE LISTED ALL OF THOSE.

IT'S INTERESTING WITH 106 THAT ANYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN 106 CONSULTATIONS IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT INTERESTS THEM.

WHAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATE IN THAT MARK? I'LL ACTUALLY SEND OUT THERE'S A CITIZEN'S GUIDE TO 106, THERE'S A LITTLE FLIER.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE SO.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LOVE THAT.

YEAH. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEND THAT OUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

CAN YOU ATTACH THAT TO THE MINUTES FOR NUMBER FIVE AS WELL, JUST SEND IT TO JORDAN.

YEAH AND AGAIN, THOSE THOSE REPORTS ARE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN ANY OF OUR CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES.

SO THEY ARE THE HIGHEST LEVEL WITH THE MOST RESEARCH AND IN-DEPTH.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DO ACCEPT THEM SO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? OKAY, WE CAN MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS.

[9. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS 1) Discussion about moving the HPC social event to January. 2) Discussion about returning to partial in-person meetings in January.]

SARA, WHAT DO WE GOT GOING ON? SO WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE A LITTLE SOCIAL EVENT TODAY FOR EVERYONE, BUT THAT DID NOT WORK OUT BECAUSE COVID NUMBERS ARE HIGH AGAIN.

AND CHARLIE, TOO, WANTED TO KIND OF BE CAUTIOUS ON THIS.

AND SO WE LIKE TO SEE IF THE JANUARY 18TH MEETING COULD BE FOLLOWED BY A GATHERING AT THE GOPHER HOLE.

I'LL REMIND YOU, WHEN WE HAVE A SOCIAL GATHERING, WE WILL ADVOCATE A QUORUM, BUT WE CANNOT DISCUSS ANY COMMISSION BUSINESS EXCEPT HOW AWESOME CHARLIE WEBBER IS, WHICH IS TOTALLY ALLOWED.

AND SO IF I JUST WANT TO PULL REALLY QUICK AND SEE IF JANUARY 18TH WORKS FOR FOLKS OR I SHOULD TRY AND FIND SOME OTHER DATE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE MEETING THAT WORKS FOR CHARLIE AND ALL OF US.

SO WHAT ABOUT CALENDARS? SOUNDS GREAT TO ME.

DON'T BASE IT ON ME, BUT FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, I.

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TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAYS I WOULD BE UNAVAILABLE IN PERSON.

THAT DAY WOULD WORK FOR ME, BUT MY EVENINGS CAN I MEAN, MY SCHEDULE CAN BE ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT DAY WORKS FOR ME.

AS OF NOW, I AM ALSO AVAILABLE.

OKAY. I'LL CHECK WITH COMMISSIONER HORN AS WELL.

AND JUST TO BE SURE, WE CAN ALL SAY THANK YOU TO HIM.

AND OF COURSE, MARK HAS PREPARED A NICE LITTLE GIFT FOR HIS MAXIMUM SERVICE TIME, WHICH HE HIT A WHILE AGO, BUT STAYED ON FOR ALMOST A FULL YEAR AFTER HIS MAXIMUM TIME OF SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION.

JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAKE QOURUMS AND GET OUR COMMISSION BUSINESS DONE.

SO I THINK THAT DESERVES AN EXTRA BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

WE CAN START DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RETURNING TO PARTIALLY IN-PERSON MEETINGS.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAD DISCUSSED IN AUGUST AT THAT AT OUR AGENDA AS AN AGENDIZED ITEM, BUT WE TABLED IT BECAUSE WE WERE SHORT PEOPLE.

WE ONLY HAD FIVE MEMBERS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT RETURNED PARTIALLY IN PERSON FOUND IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS WHO CAN SHOW UP IN PERSON, IT'S VERY AWKWARD BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THERE MAYBE, BUT AND PEOPLE MAKING PRESENTATIONS, BUT NO COMMISSIONERS THERE.

SO THE ADVICE I HAVE RECEIVED IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MEETINGS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE CHAMBER AGAIN, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE COMMISSIONERS WHO FEEL THEY ARE READY TO RETURN TO IN PERSON.

OTHERWISE, WE CAN OF COURSE, ANYONE CAN COME AND BE IN PERSON AT THE STAFF CONFERENCE ROOM.

THAT'S ALWAYS PERMITTED.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL SETTING IN THE CHAMBER UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THAT.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE WANT TO REENGAGE THAT DISCUSSION IN JANUARY? DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE IT FOR SOME FUTURE MEETING? IT'S NOT A DECISION WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TONIGHT.

I'M JUST ASKING WHEN SHOULD I AGENDIZE THAT NEXT? SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE HOW WE'RE HOSTING THE MEETINGS AND CHANGE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA.

AND SO WE WOULD IF YOU GUYS WANT TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, WE WOULD PICK THEM UP.

THAT'S GOING TO BE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.

AND THEN THE FOLLOWING MONTH WOULD BE THE ONE WHERE WE RETURN TO CHAMBERS.

I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO KEEP MEETING ONLINE.

IT SEEMS LIKE SHELLI IS GOING TO BE DOWN IN PHENIX EVERY WEDNESDAY.

SO WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN PERSON.

CORRECT. AND ONLINE FOR ALL OF THESE, I SHOULD SAY, WILL ALWAYS BE HYBRID MEETINGS.

WE ARE NO LONGER THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS NO LONGER OFFERING IN-PERSON ONLY COMMISSION MEETINGS.

IF YOU HAVE THEM IN CHAMBERS, THEY HAVE TO BE HYBRID.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OPTION TO LET PEOPLE JOIN ONLINE.

I PERSONALLY PREFER IN PERSON BECAUSE I THINK COMMUNICATION IS MORE EFFECTIVE AMONG PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE IN PERSON.

SO I MUCH PREFER IT.

BUT MAYBE IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE LIKE A COVID THRESHOLD? AT WHICH POINT? PEOPLE HAVE. I DON'T KNOW.

JUST IF IT'S ALL ABOUT COVID, THEN MAYBE COVID LEVELS ARE HIGH, THEN WHATEVER.

IF THEY'RE NOT [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH I COULD KEEP AN EYE ON THE WEEKLY REPORT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND JUST WHENEVER WE GET BACK TO LOW [IANUDIBLE] FOR THAT MONTH IF THAT'S HOW THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE ME TO PROCEED.

THAT DOES MAKE MORE WORK FOR SARA, SO THAT'S FINE.

I GET THE EMAIL EVERY WEEK THAT TELLS ME WHAT IT IS ANYWAY.

SO IT'S THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR ME AND A GOOD SUGGESTION.

SO I JUST WANT THE FEEDBACK SO I KNOW WHEN THAT SHOULD COME BACK AROUND TO YOU ALL.

I PERSONALLY DON'T MIND MEETING IN PERSON.

IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.

BUT I THINK YOU HAD SAID THEY'LL ALWAYS BE HYBRID, CORRECT? CORRECT. OK YEAH SO AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT HYBRID OPTION, I DEFINITELY PREFER MEETING IN PERSON.

I JUST THINK IT'S EASIER AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION AND FACE TO FACE.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING ON IT.

BUT WHATEVER. SHOULD I THROW THIS ON THE JANUARY AGENDA.

OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WATCH COVID NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE IN JANUARY? YOU JUST WANT A DISCUSSION? YEAH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SCHEDULE THE DISCUSSION.

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WHAT IF WE THINK ABOUT IT AND THEN IT'S DISCUSSED IN JANUARY, SO IT'S NOT HANGING? YEAH, I CAN PUT IT.

WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IN JANUARY, TOO.

AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION JUST BECAUSE WE AGENDIZED IT, UNDER GENERAL BUSINESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO, WE'RE NOT READY.

LET'S CONTINUE THIS OR TABLE IT TO NEXT MONTH.

IT CAN JUST BE A RUNNING ITEM TILL YOU'RE READY.

THIS IS A GOOD REVIEW OF PROCEDURES TOO IN THIS CONVERSATION SO.

AND THEN WE CAN IF WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE IN JANUARY, WE CAN HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION.

THAT WELL SAID. SO WHAT I HEARD IS I SHOULD GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IN JANUARY.

THERE'S AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERING MOVING BACK TO IN PERSON, AND WE CAN HAVE A FULL COMMISSION DISCUSSION THEN AND ALSO LOOK AT THE COVID NUMBERS AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE READY TO DO OR NOT.

FIRST WE WERE LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT COVID'S OKAY.

WE WERE GOING TO DO IT IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, WE'RE HAVING WE COULD HAVE QUORUM ISSUES AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR THREE MONTHS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS, WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE AND STAFF IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION HOWEVER WE CAN.

SO IT WORKS FOR ME.

SOUNDS GOOD. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE, MARK.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING [INAUDIBLE] FRIEND AND THEN ANY COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] FRIEND THEY WANT TO SHARE.

I'M GOOD. I'M JUST SITTING IN A REST STOP IN OREGON, SO.

WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY ALL GIVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO CHAIR DALE FOR EXCELLENT PERFORMANCES IN MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET ALL THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, IN ADDITION TO HER TEACHING LOAD.

SO IF ANYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO SEE YOU, I WAS THERE.

YEP. I GOT TO SEE THE LAST SHOW ON SUNDAY.

IT WAS WHEN I WAS THE SICKEST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I COULDN'T TELL.

WELL, THANK YOU FIRST FOR OFFERING SUCH GREAT COMMUNITY THEATER AND SUPPORT FOR A USE IN A GREAT HISTORIC BUILDING IN FLAGSTAFF EMILY.

YES, IT WAS VERY SAD WHEN THEY GOT THEIR RENEWAL, SO THEY'LL BE THERE FOR, WHAT, 75 YEARS? I THINK THEY HAVE AN EXTENDED CONTRACT THROUGH THROUGH THE CITY.

SUPPORTIVE AND A GOOD THING FOR THE MURDOCK CENTER AND [INAUDIBLE] AND IT WILL BE THE SAME FOR THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY CENTER.

GIVE US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE GREAT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS USING THESE HISTORIC ASSETS SO.

AND I JUST BROUGHT A SPECIFICATION TO FIX THE EVE WORK THAT NEEDS HELP ON THEATRICALS.

IT'S IN THE WORKS.

I'M WORKING ON IT. WELL, I COULD ACTUALLY RECUSE MYSELF FROM SOMETHING.

DID THEY PAY YOU FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE? NO, THEY DID NOT.

THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE TO BE MONETARILY INVESTED IN IT.

OKAY. I'M GUESSING GETTING FED IN PIZZA ONE DAY DOES NOT COUNT.

NO. OKAY.

DIDN'T THINK SO. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER TO OR FROM'S? HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR, EVERYONE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 4:44 P.M..

I WILL SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.