[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
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START WITH ROLL CALL.COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER PRESENT.
[INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER KELLY PRESENT.
THE CLOSE NAME'S, DALE AND DEA.
THERE WAS A DAY WHEN I SAY TO YOU [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
COMMISSIONER BURCHAM, SINCE YOU WERE IN THE ROOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT? I WOULD LOVE TO READ IT. THANK YOU.THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS, SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE].
NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] I DIDN'T THINK SO.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the Minutes of the January 18, 2023, Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]
AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING ON JANUARY 18TH.DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE [INAUDIBLE].
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.
SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? AYE.
DELIGHTFUL. I JUST THINK FOR A MOMENT [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE DOING A HYBRID MEETING.
AND THEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO VOTE ON TODAY.
CORRECT. SO NEXT UP IS GENERAL BUSINESS.
[A. Overview of US Secretary of the Interior Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties Review and ask questions]
LET'S SEE HOW I DO WITH TECHNOLOGY HERE.ARE YOU GETTING THE BIG SCREEN? YES. GOOD.
OKAY. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS TIME TO KIND OF SORT OUT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR REVIEWS.
AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY IS KIND OF THE WHAT I WANT TO COMMUNICATE.
SO I ALWAYS CALLED IT THE THREE RS PLUS ONE REHABILITATION, RESTORATION AND RECONSTRUCTION.
AND WHAT'S ODD IS THAT PRESERVATION IS ITS OWN CATEGORY AND YOU WOULD THINK EVERYTHING IS PRESERVATION, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO THEY ARE FOUR DISTINCT TREATMENTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
SO PRESERVATION PRESERVES AN EXISTING FORM, HOLDS IT IN PLACE.
REHABILITATION ALLOWS FOR A NEW COMPATIBLE USE.
RESTORATION IS RESTORED TO A CERTAIN SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME, AND RECONSTRUCTION IS ACTUALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH ACCURATE DOCUMENTATION. SO HERE'S SOME VISUAL EXAMPLES.
THE PRESERVATION ONE'S PROBABLY PUSHING IT HERE A LITTLE, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF FREEZING IT IN TIME.
SO LIKE CLOSING WHERE THE CHIMNEY IS, LETTING WEATHER COME IN, MAKING BASIC IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF JUST KEEPING IT IN ITS CURRENT, QUOTE, CHARMING CONDITION.
YOU DON'T WANT IT TO FALL DOWN, SO YOU TAKE ACTION SO IT DOESN'T FALL DOWN.
REHABILITATION IS EXTREMELY VERSATILE.
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RESTORATION I BELIEVE I FOUND ONE OF THE LATER LOG CABINS OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN HERE.SO RESTORED BACK TO A TIME, A SIGNIFICANT TIME.
SO YOU'RE REMOVING THINGS SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT DID AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND RECONSTRUCTION IS BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT HAS TO HAVE ACCURATE DOCUMENTATION BEHIND IT.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF GOING OVER THOSE STANDARDS AGAIN.
THEY ARE PRESERVATION, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION AND RECONSTRUCTION.
SO PRESERVATION SUSTAINS THE EXISTING FORM OF A BUILDING, KEEPS IT FROM FALLING DOWN.
REHABILITATION GOES FOR A COMPATIBLE NEW USE OR SOMETHING VERY CLOSE TO THE CURRENT USE, OR COULD EVEN BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC USE WAS.
RESTORATION IS A PARTICULAR PERIOD IN TIME WHERE YOU'RE RESTORING THE BUILDING BACK TO THAT TIME AND RECONSTRUCTION IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A NON SURVIVING SITE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCURATE DOCUMENTATION TO DO THAT.
SO, YES, MAYBE WE'LL GET INTO THIS AND YOU CAN CUT ME OFF.
WHEN YOU SAY ACCURATE DOCUMENTATION, DO YOU MEAN OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR OF THE OLD CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'RE RECONSTRUCTING? OF THE OLD CONSTRUCTION YEAH, A LOT OF EXAMPLES ARE LIKE FORTS WHERE THEY DO HAVE BASIC PLANS AND SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS WHERE THEY'RE RECREATING LIKE AN ADOBE STRUCTURE THAT'S TOTALLY FALLEN APART.
SO IT'S A PRETTY RARE THING TO HAVE RECONSTRUCTION FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE A PRETTY IMPORTANT SITE ON TOP OF IT.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTION YOU WANT ANY TIME THROUGH HERE.
SO REHABILITATION IS DEFINED AS THE ACT OR PROCESS OF MAKING POSSIBLE A COMPATIBLE USE FOR A PROPERTY THROUGH REPAIR, ALTERATION AND ADDITIONS WHILE PRESERVING THOSE PORTIONS OR FEATURES WHICH CONVEY ITS HISTORICAL, CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUES.
THE REHABILITATION STANDARD ACKNOWLEDGES THE NEED TO ALTER OR ADD TO A BUILDING TO MEET CONTINUING OR NEW USES WHILE RETAINING THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC CHARACTER. SO THAT'S A LOT OF WORDING, BUT IT CAN BE DONE.
OFF TO THE LEFT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION NUMBER SIX.
TALKING ABOUT REPAIRING AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU DID HAVE TO REPLACE SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE MATCHING THE DESIGN OF THE MISSING COMPONENT. AGAIN, DOCUMENTATION IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE NOT TAKING JUST A WILD GUESS AT THINGS.
SO THIS IS A REHABILITATION PROJECT THAT I ACTUALLY DID IN BUTTE, MONTANA.
I TURNED A MINE HOISTING BUILDING INTO A DAY USE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER.
AS FAR AS ONE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] ONE OF THE STANDARDS OF COMPATIBLE USE.
BUT THE HOISTS WERE OUT OF THE BUILDING.
SO KIND OF PUTTING AN INSULATED BUILDING INSIDE OF A HISTORIC BUILDING AND RETAINING ALL THE WINDOWS AND ADDING WHERE IT WAS ALLOWED AND WHERE IT MADE SENSE. SO IN THE UPPER LEFT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF THE ABANDONED LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT HAS SQUARE WINDOWS, BUT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ROCK SCREENS THAT THEY PUT UP DURING THE LABOR VIOLENCE WHEN THE LABOR PEOPLE WERE THROWING ROCKS AT THE BUILDING.
ENDED UP ADDING A COPPER PAINT TO IT.
THIS ONE ON THE UPPER RIGHT SHOWS WHERE THE CABLES CAME OUT.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY OVER TWO DIFFERENT DRUMS. THEY WERE COUNTERBALANCE, SO ONE OVER THE OVER SLUNG, ONE UNDER SLUNG.
SO IT WAS A COUNTERBALANCED MOTION OF BRINGING ORE OUT OF THE EARTH.
ADDED TWO MORE WINDOWS THAT KIND OF MATCH THAT PATTERN OF WHERE THE CABLES CAME OUT.
AND THEN UP ABOVE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A STRUCTURAL TRUSS.
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SO THOSE WINDOWS UP THERE MATCH THE STRUCTURAL TRUSS THAT'S UP THROUGH THERE.SO THIS ONE STORY BUILDING ACTUALLY HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE THREE SEPARATE FLOORS TO IT.
MARK? YEAH. YOU SAID THAT IT WAS A STRETCH TO MAKE IT A SENIOR CENTER.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT, IT'S THE EXTERIOR.
THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS IS MOST CONCERNED WITH, ISN'T IT? THAT'S TRUE.
BUT THEN THEN, OF COURSE, THIS BUILDING HAD SWITCHGEAR ON THE INSIDE, HAD A LARGE OVERHEAD CRANE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY STILL THERE. SO WHAT WAS SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE BUILDING IS HOW IT WAS TREATED.
SO THE EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR WERE KIND OF LOOKED AT AND HOW IT ALL CAME TOGETHER.
SO ENDS UP WITH A HEATED FLOOR AND IT'S USED QUITE OFTEN, AND IT'S A VERY ACTIVE PLACE.
SO FROM IDENTIFYING MATERIALS TO PROTECTING MATERIALS, HOW TO REPAIR ALTERATIONS, ADDITIONS, RESILIENCE AND HOW YOU WOULD ADD TO A BUILDING WHEN YOU NEED TO ADD TO A BUILDING.
THE GUIDELINES ARE VERY DETAILED REVIEW RECOMMENDED, NOT RECOMMENDED.
THERE IS ALSO PRESERVATION BRIEFS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TREATING A BRICK BUILDING, THERE'S A GUIDELINE FOR THAT.
AND HERE'S SOME OF FLAGSTAFF SOFT BRICK.
WE GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TREAT SOME OF OUR OLDER BUILDINGS.
HERE'S A TAG ON TO REHABILITATION STANDARDS FLOOD ADAPTATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN I WAS UPSTAIRS.
SO THEY'VE WRITTEN A WHOLE LARGE BOOK ABOUT WHAT TO DO AS FLOODING STARTS HAPPENING, IS DISASTERS TAKE PLACE. SO THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE DOCUMENT NOW ON ADAPTING TO FLOODS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE.
SO YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN ALLOWED TO ELEVATE A BUILDING ABOVE FLOOD IT WOULD JUST CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING TOO MUCH.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND IT'S CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT APPROACH TO THINGS.
THAT WAS MY QUICK DISCUSSION OF SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND IT IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT FOR EVALUATING PROPERTIES, BECAUSE ONCE SOMEBODY PUTS IN AN APPLICATION TO DO A FACADE IMPROVEMENT OR TO MAKE A CHANGE WITHIN ONE OF OUR OVERLAYS AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THAT WE'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT DOING A CHANGE TO A BUILDING.
THEY MAY BE MODIFYING SOMETHING, THEY MAY BE PUTTING AN ADDITION ON.
SO REHABILITATION REALLY IS THE MAIN ASPECT THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN EVALUATING THE BUILDING.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY HERE? I TRIED TO MAKE IT SIMPLE AND SHORT? COULD YOU CLARIFY THE FEDERAL 20% IS FOR PRESERVATION INVESTMENT TAX CREDITS NOT AVAILABLE FOR OWNER OCCUPIED.
IT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR OWNER OCCUPIED.
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THE DEFINITION IS INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY.WHICH ACTUALLY APPLIES TO THE USES A BED AND BREAKFAST OR SO I WISH THEY WOULD CHANGE IT, THAT OWNERS COULD DO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MARK IS REHABILITATION THE THING YOU GET MOST REQUESTS FOR? YES. AND IT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD BE EVALUATING SOMETHING ON BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A CHANGE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT FITS.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY USE THE OTHER STANDARDS TO KIND OF INFORM YOURSELF ABOUT ADDITIONAL TREATMENTS, BUT IT REALLY IS THE ONE WHENEVER WE GET A REQUEST ON THE FRONT COUNTER, SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A CHANGE TO A BUILDING.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE OR CAN THEY INCLUDE MORE THAN ONE OF THESE FOUR? THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
NO, I KNOW. ARE THERE PROJECTS THAT CAN BE BOTH REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION? YEAH, I WOULD SAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, YOU MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT RESTORING A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, REMOVING COMPONENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL JOIN YOU BACK UPSTAIRS.
WE'RE OKAY. ARE YOU SHARING THE GRANTS? TRACK CHANGES FROM YOUR COMPUTER, MARK? NO. I COULD TRY.
[INAUDIBLE] I'M NOT HOOKED UP TO ANYTHING TO PREVENT FROM.
OKAY. I CAN'T DO IT FROM IN THE ROOM BECAUSE IT WILL CREATE THE SOUND FEEDBACK [INAUDIBLE].
YOU CAN STOP SHARING WHILE YOU LOOK FOR IT IF YOU WANT.
YEAH. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP ON THE AGENDA.
[B. Historic Signs & Facades Grant - track changes Approve or modify proposed new grant guidelines with an effective date of July 1, 2023. Final version will be provided in March. ]
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND GENERAL BUSINESS AND TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES WE MADE LAST TIME TO THE OR PROPOSED FOR THE HISTORIC SIGNS AND FACADES GRANT.I THINK MARK MAY MAYBE TRYING TO GET IT BACK UP.
SO CAN I INTRODUCE IT WHILE YOU CHECK.
OR DO YOU WANT TO GO? IS THAT THERE? DO WE HAVE IT? MAKE IT WAY BIGGER.
AND THIS IS IN THE AGENDA TOO.
SO, YEAH, SO MAKE IT KEEP YOU'RE GOOD. ONE LESS MAYBE.
SORRY. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS SEE HOW IT LOOKS TO US.
THANK YOU, MARK. SO WE'VE WORKED ON THIS.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN A TRACK CHANGE.
IT WAS QUITE A BIT OF ADJUSTING AND ADDING TO.
DID YOU WANT ME TO SCROLL SARA OR DID YOU WANT TO TALK IT THROUGH A LITTLE MORE? I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST.
LAST MONTH YOU REQUESTED THAT WE COME BACK WITH TRACK CHANGES.
THIS IS WHAT A TRACK CHANGES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, OF COURSE, UNTIL THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.
SO THIS IS OUR WORKING TIME FOR THIS THIS MATERIAL.
WE DID REQUEST MARK REQUESTED THAT AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME THEN ANOTHER, SINCE WE'RE CONSIDERING HAVING A HIGHER MATCH OF HAVING A $20,000 MATCH AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS HERE, THAT THE AMOUNTS REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET REQUEST LAST WEEK INCLUDED AN
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ADDITIONAL $10,000 TO BRING OUR TOTAL FROM $150 TO $160.AND ECONOMIC VITALITY DID SAY THEY SAID, SURE, THEY RESPONDED RIGHT AWAY AND THEY PUT IT IN.
SO THAT REQUEST WENT FORWARD AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEND OUT ROUND FOR REVIEW.
AND THEN BY THEN, WE WOULD HAVE FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE ADOPTION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE IT SOUNDS FROM OUR INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ECONOMIC VITALITY THAT IT'S JUST DONE BY A MOTION.
BUT WE'LL GET THE CORRECT DETAILS ON THAT BY THE TIME WE COME BACK.
I ENDED UP CALLING IT LEVELS OF FUNDING SO.
SO MARK I THINK THERE'S COMMISSIONER DALE WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL ON PEOPLE FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND WE CAN JUST START ON THE FIRST PAGE AND WORK FORWARD? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF BIG CHANGES LIKE WE HAVE PROPOSED THE TITLE CHANGE.
IS EVERYONE STILL GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, LET'S JUST START ON PAGE ONE AND WE'LL GO PAGE BY PAGE FOR COMMENTS, IF THAT'S OKAY.
IS THIS GOING TO BE EDITED AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO IF THERE'S GRAMMATICAL ERRORS AND STUFF, WE CAN SKIP OVER THAT KIND OF THING TO JUST FOCUS ON CONTENT? SURE. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE IF WE JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE CONTENT AND THEN GET TO.
AS SOMEONE WHO LOVES TO EDIT, I WOULD SPEND HOURS ON [INAUDIBLE].
PICTURES ARE GOOD. SO WERE CLEAR.
NOT NEW SIGNS, NOT NEW BUILDINGS.
HE WANTS TO RAISE OUR HANDS IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
SURE. SO ON THIS FIRST PAGE, YEAH, IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT'S IN BLACK, IT SAYS OBJECTS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OBJECTS? THAT'S UNCHANGED FROM.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? I GUESS IT COULD BE A TRAIN LIKE WE HAVE ONE . THE TWO SPOT IS AN OBJECT.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR.
SO PERHAPS INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT COMMUNITY PLACEMAKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A TERM PEOPLE LIKE NOW.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ONLY ECONOMIC VITALITY THAT BENEFITS FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
OKAY. I THINK THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BENEFIT FROM PRESERVING.
OKAY. AND THEN I THOUGHT WHERE IT SAYS SIGNIFICANT HERITAGE, THAT'S KIND OF.
JUST PUT ECONOMIC VITALITY AMONGST THE LISTS.
MARK TOLD ME TO OPEN UP THE WORD FILE AND DRAFT THESE ALONG THE WAY.
SOMETIMES IT JUST INVOLVES RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE HALL LOOKING FOR [INAUDIBLE].
OKAY. SO THAT CHANGE WAS TO TAKE ECONOMIC VITALITY [INAUDIBLE].
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OR IS OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE JUST CAPTURING WHERE WE ARE.WELL, I'M JUST PULLING THIS UP FROM THE AGENDA.
DID YOU WANT ME TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE OR.
OKAY, SO THEN I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE 50 YEARS OR OLDER, WHICH IS LIKE THE NATIONAL STANDARD, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PAST COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SAID THAT WASN'T THAT WE COULDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING POST-WORLD WAR TWO.
YOU REMEMBER THAT? IS THAT STILL STANDING? COCONINO ESTATES, I THINK.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME BETWEEN THE CODE AND THE PART OF THE CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES, WHICH IS THE PART OF THE ZONING CODE CALLED 103030 AND YOUR GRANT APPLICATION.
THEY ARE NOT IT IS NOT A CONNECTED PART OF THE CODE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT CODE.
THIS IS GUIDELINES TO IMPLEMENT THE FUNDING WE ARE GIVEN THROUGH ECONOMIC VITALITY AND HOW THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO SPEND IT AND HOW THE COMMISSION OUTLINES ITS DECISION MAKING. SO YES, IF SOMEONE COMES IN FROM COCONINO ESTATES AND WANTS TO DEMO A HOME THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER HISTORIC.
IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND THEY WANT TO DEMO IT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPAY THE GRANT TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE DOUBLING OUR INVESTMENT.
AND THERE ARE SOME THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN, WHICH WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU, BUT MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD BRING YOU. WHAT IS IT THAT A PROPERTY OWNER SIGNS AND AGREES TO AND THEY ACCEPT THE FUNDING? THAT'S NOT IN YOUR GUIDELINES.
THAT'S IN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.
THAT'S BASICALLY A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY ABOUT US GETTING THE MONEY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL NEED REVISIONS OR NOT ONCE YOUR GUIDELINES ARE UPDATED.
THEY ARE VERY TELLING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TOWN.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IN THE PURVIEW OF HERITAGE PRESERVATION TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'VE WAITED 3 SECONDS. [INAUDIBLE] LET'S START WITH THIS LITTLE TOP PART RATHER THAN THE NEW STUFF.
YEAH, WE HAVE TO WE ARE BUILDING OUR HYBRID SKILLS ON THIS COMMISSION.
WHAT DID IT MEAN IN COOPERATIVE EFFORTS? WHAT DID IT MEAN NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, LEADERSHIP AND PARTNERING? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO MEAN.
INCLUSIVE AND COOPERATIVE EFFORTS, INCLUDING PROJECTS WITH NEIGHBORS SUPPORT.
[INAUDIBLE] AND FOR ME, THAT WOULD MEAN LIKE IT'S NOT JUST NECESSARILY AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER, BUT A COMMUNITY COULD GET TOGETHER AND APPLY FOR A GRANT, CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS, THE WHOLE THING? OR IF THEY ALREADY HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, THEY COULD STILL GET FUNDING FROM US [INAUDIBLE] PARTNERING.
[INAUDIBLE] FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC READING IT.
NO. OKAY. I'M A TERRIBLE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GENERAL MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE ON THESE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS?
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE DOWN TO THE NEW STUFF.AND I WOULD BE TOTALLY GUILTY ON ANY LANGUAGE HERE SO.
SO I THINK ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE GRANT FUNDING LEVELS IS SUBMITTED OR NATIONAL OR FEDERAL TAX CREDIT FORM MEETS DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED.
THAT IT'S ONLY FOR INCOME PRODUCING.
BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT. YOU'RE A BIG FAN OF THE TAX CREDIT AND WE SHOULD USE IT MORE HERE.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO USE IT AND I DON'T GET TO.
UNDERSTAND NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT THAT ISN'T FOR EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
BUT I COULD USE HELP TO HELP WITH THAT.
YOU COULD JUST SAY IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT MEETS THE DOCUMENTATION ? BECAUSE ANYBODY COULD GO FIND A TAX CREDIT DOCUMENTATION FORM AND THEN USE IT TO CREATE THEIR OWN DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDITS.
BUT DOES THAT MEAN YOU DO NOT WANT THIS PARAGRAPH ABOUT WHAT THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX CREDIT INCENTIVE IS HERE? IT COULD BE JUST CLARIFIED THAT IT'S FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES, THAT IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
[INAUDIBLE] PRODUCING PROPERTIES.
IS THIS [INAUDIBLE] HISTORIC PRESERVATION 20% TAX RATE IS THAT STILL PART OF LEVEL TWO? BECAUSE MAYBE THEN WE JUST NEED SOME SUBHEADINGS LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, BECAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS PARAGRAPH ABOUT THE 20% TAX CREDIT APPLIES TO EVERYONE OR JUST THE LEVEL TWO ONES. MARK, GIVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
I WAS LEANING TOWARD THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THAT HIGHER STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD BE.
MEANING THAT THE VERY INTENSE REVIEW ONLY MEETING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
OKAY. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER'S POINT IS, IS IF I MAY, IS THAT THAT WOULD EXCLUDE JUST HOMEOWNERS AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE THEIR PROPERTY TO PRODUCE INCOME.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE IF SOMEONE WERE TO READ THIS AND SEE, OH, THERE'S A 20% TAX CREDIT, THEY MIGHT NOT REALIZE THAT IT HAS TO BE AN INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTY. I SEE YOUR POINT.
YEAH. HOW ABOUT I'LL WRITE ON THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION 20% TAX CREDIT IS AVAILABLE FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES AND THE INCENTIVE AND IT REQUIRES FULL COMPLIANCE WITH SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES TO RECEIVE A TAX CREDIT.
WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS THE TIER TWO PROJECTS CAN COMBINE THE TAX CREDIT IN THIS GRANT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS, MARK? YEAH. OKAY.
MARCUS, WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO PICK UP ON WHAT CHAIR DALE SAID? THE HURDLES ARE BIG ENOUGH FOR THE TAX CREDITS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR A LITTLE PROJECT.
AND THERE AGAIN, THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROJECT ALSO MATTERS AS WELL.
SO IT MIGHT BE JUST USE FOR TIER TWO.
DO YOU LIKE TEARS OR LEVEL? I DID IT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT TO CALL IT.[INAUDIBLE]
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ANY PREFERENCE ON WHAT YOU CALL, IF YOU CALL IT A LEVEL OR A TIER? NO, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN OTHER GRANTING ORGANIZATIONS USE LIKE MINI GRANTS FOR SMALL ONES.THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NECESSARILY AT LIKE A LEVEL [INAUDIBLE].
MAYBE THAT'S LANGUAGE THE LAWYERS MIGHT HAVE BUILT SOMEWHERE INTO THIS.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS SECOND PAGE? MOVING ON TO PAGE THREE.
[INAUDIBLE] I HAVE A QUESTION OF THIS GRANT FUNDING WILL NOT BE USED FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION ASSIGNMENT NO LONGER EXISTS.
HAVE WE GIVEN OUT GRANTS? WASN'T THE WHISPERING WIND BLOW WASN'T THAT LIKE A NONEXISTENT SIGN? BUT WE HELPED THEM REBUILD. IT WASN'T NONEXISTENT.
IT WAS IT EXISTED TWO THIRDS OF IT EXISTED, AND IT HAD LOST AN UPPER PIECE.
BUT THERE IS ENOUGH OF A SIGN THERE THAT OK BECAUSE REASON I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO BUY A WHOLE NEW ONE.
AND WE SAID, THEN YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT MONEY FOR THAT.
AND SO THEY ACTUALLY DID THE PROPER RESTORATION WORK AS A RESULT.
THEY DID HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN TEMPORARILY BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO DO SOME WELDING THAT THEY WAS SAFER TO DO IN A WAREHOUSE THAN IT WAS TO DO ONSITE.
BUT IT WAS ONLY DOWN FOR FOUR WEEKS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT MARK? NO, IT WAS AND THERE'S THE RARE EXAMPLE OF RECONSTRUCTION BASED UPON DOCUMENTATION FROM A POSTCARD.
SO THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT SIGNS THAT LETS US NOT DO THAT.
BUT SOMEONE COULD LIKE REBUILD A NEW PORCH TO MATCH AN OLD PORCH, AND THAT'S OKAY WITH THE GRANT.
YES. I MEAN, IS THERE A REASON THAT SIGNS AND BUILDINGS ARE DISTINGUISHED IN THAT WAY? IT'S NOT REALLY BECAUSE A PORCH WOULD STILL BE ATTACHED TO OR PART OF A BUILDING, JUST LIKE THE PART OF THE SIGN.
YOU WOULDN'T LET SOMEBODY REPLICATE A HISTORIC PORCH IF THE WHOLE BUILDING HAD BEEN REPLACED.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I GUESS, LIKE IF SOMEONE HAD BUILT THE HOUSE AND IT HAD A PORCH TO THEM, LIKE IN THE 70, SOMEONE TOOK THE PORCH OUT AND SOMEONE WANTED TO PUT IT BACK ON. RIGHT.
THAT'S JUST LIKE THE WHISPERING WINDS.
THEY HAD TWO THIRDS OF A SIGN SAYING ONE OR THE OTHER THIRD.
BUT EVEN IF THEY'VE TAKEN OUT THE WHOLE PORCH, THEY WANTED TO REBUILD 100% OF A NEW PORCH.
IT'S STILL PART OF THE BUILDING.
OKAY. IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF A BUILDING.
OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. PORCH IS NOT A STAND ALONE.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF FEDERAL THING ABOUT SIGNS.
I MEAN, IF IT WERE LIKE A GAZEBO, LET'S SAY THAT THERE HAD BEEN A GAZEBO IN A PARK IN 1904, AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO REBUILD THE GAZEBO, AND IT WAS A STANDALONE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE A REPLICA.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT.
SO IT'S KIND OF ONE AND THE SAME AS FAR AS TREATMENT OF BUILDINGS GO.
[INAUDIBLE] A SUGGESTION, MAYBE PUT A LINK TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WEBSITE ON THAT LAST LINE.
YES. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WEBSITE HAS CHANGED LIKE THREE TIMES IF WE JUST PUT A LINK LIKE NPS.GOV OR WHATEVER, IT IS JUST THAT BASIC WEBSITE TO GET PEOPLE STARTED.
SAND DUFFY JUST THE TOWNSITE STANDARDS HAVE THE OLD TREATMENT STANDARDS AND ALL FOUR OF THEM ON THAT DOCUMENT. SO THE CURRENT DOCUMENT IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF DATE AS FAR AS MEETING THE CURRENT PRESERVATION
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STANDARDS. IT'S ON THE CITY NOW.YEAH, I DON'T GET TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND WHAT ELSE ON THIS PAGE? [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I JUST WHEN I READ IT, IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE NOTE.
BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE THREE PLUS ONE? YEAH. OKAY.
SO CAN I ASK YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THE ONE VERSUS TWO AND THINK OF SOME EXAMPLES? HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE SOMETHING AS ONE VERSUS TWO.
OH THE LEVELS ONE VERSUS LEVEL TWO [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, I MEAN, ANYONE COULD REQUEST THAT [INAUDIBLE] MONEY, BUT IS THERE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE? IF SOMEBODY SUBMITS SOMETHING, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA OF LEVEL TWO.
IT IS NOT OF THE QUALITY THAT YOU WANT TO BE FUNDING AT THE $20,000 LEVEL, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST TIME, RIGHT, OF YOU WOULD ONLY PUT THE LEVEL ONE FUNDING UP TO $10,000 THEN WAIT SOME OF LEVEL TWO.
SO THAT SORT OF IDENTIFIES THE WORK THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND THEN IT REQUIRES A BUDGET, AS I REMEMBER.
[INAUDIBLE] WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DEFINING A NEGATIVE BECAUSE LEVEL ONE IS DOESN'T IS IT LEVEL TWO PERSON MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WHY DOES ENHANCING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY NOT QUALIFY FOR THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS? WELL, IF THERE WERE IF THEIR WHOLE PROJECT IS ONLY COSTING $10,000, WE COULD I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN ONE YET BECAUSE THAT LITTLE.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL COST $20 OR MORE OR $40.
YEAH. SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT LEVEL TWO ONES WOULD BE PRETTY RARE.
AND NOT REALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE.
AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING THE EXTRA MILE AND TOTALLY COMPLYING WITH THE F LIKE A FEDERAL REVIEWER.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE ARBITRARY.
SO I THINK SARA'S MAKING A REALLY GOOD POINT HERE.
YES, I GUESS MARK MADE ME THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD WORD IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND SAID, WHY DON'T I QUALIFY FOR NUMBER TWO? RIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO THEM IN A WAY THAT IS IT JUST WELL, YOU'RE NOT MEETING THESE STANDARDS.
SO I GUESS IT'S ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.
I WILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I THINK I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED LIKE THE SERVICE QUESTION.
IT'S REALLY EASY TO SEE IF SOMETHING WOULD QUALIFY FOR LEVEL TWO.
IS DEFINED AS IS NOT QUALIFYING FOR LEVEL TWO.
I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ABOUT THIS.
[INAUDIBLE] OTHERWISE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET AWAY.
WELL, MY HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANT.
WHY CAN'T I GET $20,000? AND IT WOULD PROBABLY SAVE YOU A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY.
SO IT WAS JUST LIKE AN OBVIOUS WAY OF SAYING YOU KNOW IT'S JUST LIKE MOST PROJECTS WOULD LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WOULD A LEVEL ONE FUNDING BE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES I CAN THINK OF THAT MIGHT BE A LEVEL ONE, BUT NOT A LEVEL TWO IS A HISTORICALLY AN ELIGIBLE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT IS NOT LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
OKAY. SO YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE LEVEL ONE, IT SAYS IT IN LEVEL TWO.
SO YOU NEED TO CLARIFY IN THE LEVEL ONE AND SAY AN EXAMPLE.
EXAMPLE OF LEVEL ONE PROJECTS INCLUDE, NEEDS TO BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE.
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IT NEEDS TO BE LEVEL ONE NEEDS TO BE YES. YES. WE WILL WORK ON THAT.ARE THERE OTHER THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU ALL SEE? SO THAT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THAT THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AS I'VE BEEN MULLING THIS OVER.
BUT THERE'S PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, LIKE THEY POINTED ALL THE BRICK ON THE SIDE OF THE MASONIC LODGE AND THAT WAS LIKE $58,000 PROJECT, AND THEY WERE DOING IT IN COMPLETE WAY.
EVEN THOUGH THEY NEVER APPLIED FOR TAX CREDITS, THEY STILL COULD HAVE PRODUCED THE DOCUMENTATION TO GET $20,000 PROBABLY AT THAT TIME. [INAUDIBLE] MENTIONED THE ROCK WORK.
THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE THEY PROBABLY WERE DOING SOMETHING SO CAREFULLY THEY WOULD HAVE MET IT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO APPROVE FOR TEN BUT WE DON'T LIKE WHERE'S THE FLOOR AND THE CEILING OF THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU GOT CREATED [INAUDIBLE] THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO FUND, THINGS WE WANT TO FUND THIS MUCH AND THINGS WE WANT TO FUND AT THE NEXT LEVEL.
MAYBE WE JUST NEED A COUPLE LITTLE BULLET POINT EXAMPLES.
OR JUST BREAK IT INTO [INAUDIBLE] TO SAY.
YES. IT NEEDS TO MAKE THESE SIGNIFICANT.
IT JUST PULL THIS OUT AND MAKE SOME BULLET POINTS.
WE CAN REFORMAT IT CERTAINLY TO BE MORE OR LESS PARAGRAPHY AND MORE BULLET POINTY.
EASIER. THIS IS A FIRST DRAFT.
THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS GET TO REVIEW THE TRACK CHAIN.
FIRST YOU GET IT CONCEPTUALLY.
NOW YOU GET TO SEE SOME TRACK CHANGES.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY ON THESE PARAGRAPHS? ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE.
JUST LOOK AT THE SMALL PAGE HERE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENT ON THIS PAGE, I DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON.
GO AND GET STARTED DUFFIE [INAUDIBLE].
THE PART WHERE WE'RE MENTIONING THAT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CAN ACCESS THE MONEY AND WHEN THEY CAN'T.
BUT IN THE NARRATIVE BEFORE IT SAYS THEY CAN'T.
BUT HERE IT SAYS THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY CAN.
SO I THINK THOSE NEED TO MATCH.
SO IT'S CONSISTENT. ARE YOU THINKING IN THE FIRST PART OF THE NARRATIVE? [INAUDIBLE] SOME WHERE IT SAID THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CAN'T ACCESS IT.
IF YOU COULD DO A SEARCH ON IT.
BUT IN THE NARRATIVE I DID A SEARCH FOR GOVERNMENT AND IT'S NOT IN THERE.
THE ONE ABOVE IT SAYS THEY CAN UNDER CERTAIN.
THEY APPLY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WILL NOT CONSIDER.
SO THOSE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT IT NEEDS TO SAY UNDER EXTRAORDINARY.
CIRCUMSTANCES, WHATEVER THAT MEANT.
YES. BUT THE INCONSISTENCY ACTUALLY WAS THAT IT SAID WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES UNLESS THERE WERE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES COULD APPLY.
LIKE THEY WERE LISTED AS HAVING NOT BEING APPLICABLE, NOT BEING ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS.
AND YET IT SAYS WE'D CONSIDER IT UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING I NOTICED.
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SO THEN IT SHOULD SAY GOVERNMENT.WELL, IT DOES SAY THAT. YEAH, BUT THE WORD SAME WORDING SHOULD BE USED [INAUDIBLE] IN MY OPINION.
AND THEN IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHEN IT SAYS OR GROUPS AFFILIATED TO SUPPORT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A FRIENDS GROUP THAT SUPPORTS.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE] DOES RIGHT NOW.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STRIKE THAT? IF THEY CAN JUSTIFY IT, IF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY CAN DO IT, JUSTIFY.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT, LIKE THE REORG IN ACTION NETWORK SHOULD NOT NEED JUSTIFIED AND OR THE DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED CIRCUMSTANCES? THEY SHOULD JUST BE UNDER THE GROUPS OF THINGS, WE WILL CONSIDER.
IT SAYS EXCEPT UNDER OR GROUP.
SO THAT MEANS RAN COULD APPLY? WITH DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED [INAUDIBLE].
OKAY, GOOD. YES, IT'S WEIRDLY WORDED.
IT'S A YES IN A IT'S A YES, SOMETIMES WRITTEN AS A NEGATIVE.
I'LL MAKE I'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT AND MAYBE THAT WILL REMOVE THE DOUBLE NEGATIVE ISSUE.
AREN'T ALL THAT APPLY, HAVING TO BE DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY IS DIFFERENTIATING.
SO WHAT CREATES A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION AND JUSTIFICATION [INAUDIBLE].
MAYBE IT SHOULD NOT SAY NOT CONSIDER, BUT SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK MAYBE JUST SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE OR SOMETHING A LITTLE, OR EXCEPTIONS GET RID OF NOT. BECAUSE I THINK THE NOT IS CONFUSING.
MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW CATEGORY UNDER WHO MAY APPLY.
LIKE WHO MAY APPLY IN SPECIAL, SPECIAL, DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE WILL ALSO CONSIDER GRANTS FROM THIS LIST OF PEOPLE AND MOVE THOSE PEOPLE UP TO WHO MAY APPLY.
SO LET ME LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THAT.
THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER GRANTS WILL ONLY CONSIDER GRANTS TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND GROUPS, AFFILIATED GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
WE COULD. THE REST OF THE THINGS ON THIS LIST.
LIKE THE APPLICANTS WHO FAILED TO SUCCESSFULLY CARRY OUT A PREVIOUS GRANT AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IS ABOUT THE APPLICANT AND THE PROJECTS FUNDED OR PART BY BBB AND PROPERTIES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A GRANT IS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
MAYBE WE NEED TO BREAK THIS INTO TWO LISTS ONE ABOUT THE APPLICANTS AND ONE ABOUT YEAH. SO HOLD ON.
THEY CANNOT THEY WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF WHO WILL FAIL TO SUCCESS, LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAVE GIVEN A GRANT TO SOMEONE WHO FAILED OR TO A PROPERTY WHERE A PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER FAILED TO CARRY OUT A GRANT PROJECT.
SO LIKE THERE WAS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO FAILED TO CARRY OUT A REHABILITATION.
THE NEXT OWNER CAME IN AND SAID, I CAN DO IT.
I'VE GOT THE TOOLS AND SKILLS AND I WANT TO DO IT MYSELF.
AND THEN SUDDENLY LUMBER IS RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE AND THEY CAN'T FINISH IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW SITUATIONS HAVE CHANGED.
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WELL MAYBE JUST THE COMMISSION WILL NOT CONSIDER NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND CLARIFIED [INAUDIBLE].SOME THINGS THEY WON'T BE CONSIDERED.
SO DID YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT FOR THE UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE, SAY UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK WE CAN ALSO JUST START GOING OR WHO MAY APPLY THAT A SEPARATE LINE LIKE [INAUDIBLE] GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND SAY UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WHATEVER, AND THEN BULLET POINT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, WHATEVER.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER PUT ANOTHER BULLET POINT OVER THERE UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND THEN PUT THE APPLICATION ONES, BECAUSE WE STILL NEED THE NOT CONSIDER FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO DOES THAT MEAN IT'S SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MARK, WHO'S DETERMINING THEY'RE SPECIAL? IN CONSULTATION WITH THE.
FOR AS DETERMINED BY THE HPO AND THE HPC.
BUT DO YOU LIKE CONSULTATION OR DO YOU LIKE.
[INAUDIBLE] DO YOU WANT TO BE THE DECIDER ON THESE OR DO YOU WANT OUR INPUT? I WANT YOUR INPUT.
YES. MAYBE YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE ARBITRARY.
UNDER [INAUDIBLE] OR YEAH HOWEVER YOU PHRASE THAT WITH THE CONSULTATION WITH THE HPC.
YEAH. LET ME BRING HPO AND OR HPC BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME YOU'LL BE JUST LIKE, NO.
[INAUDIBLE] THEN I WOULD JUST SAY IT NEEDS TO SAY UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES AT THE DISCRETION OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION, BECAUSE IF YOU WANT YOU TO MAKE IT, THEN MARK'S GOING TO SAY, THIS GOVERNMENT AGENCY WANTS TO APPLY.
COMMISSION DO YOU FEEL THEY MEET THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES? AND THEN THEY WOULD APPLY BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE YOU AN APPLICATION THAT COMES IN FOR LIKE A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT OR ANOTHER GRANT, MARK MAKES THE DETERMINATION THAT IS A COMPLETE APPLICATION ALL THE TIME.
BUT IF THERE'S SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU SAID YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING SOMETHING LIKE AN ACTION NETWORK OR THE PIONEER MUSEUM OR OR THEY'RE NOT STATE OWNED AND REALLY, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S ON THOSE KINDS OF PUBLIC LANDS THAT COULD COME AND SAY WE HAVE SOMETHING REALLY EXTRAORDINARY THAT WE THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD INVEST IN.
JUST FIRST BLUSH, CAN WE APPLY AND THEN THEY APPLY AND COME BACK WITH A REAL APPLICATION FOR YOU? DOES THAT MAKE SOME SENSE? SO LET ME BRING UP THE POSSIBILITY OF A SITUATION.
SO PIONEER MUSEUM IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY A HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR SOME HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
NEVER TAKES CARE OF IT, BUT THERE ARE REAL THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN AT THE BUILDING BEFORE IT SHOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] PATCHED IT LOOKS TERRIBLE, AND SO COULD THE ARIZONA PIONEERS HISTORICAL SOCIETY APPLY FOR A GRANT TO FIX THE PORCH? IT'S IT'S NOT ON STATE LAND OR OWNED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY IS IT.
YEAH IT'S OWNED BY ARIZONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
BUT THEY'RE IN THE MAIN CATEGORY.
SO IF WE COULD IF THAT'S DOCUMENTED SUFFICIENTLY.
THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR A GRANT WITH AHS APPROVAL [INAUDIBLE].
BUT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE? [INAUDIBLE] SO I THOUGHT THAT THE PART WHERE IT SAYS ALL MITIGATION MEASURES, SO WHEN I READ IT BEFORE SPECIFIED IN A REQUIRED CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY OR A CERTIFICATE SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED.
SEEMS LIKE MORE WORDS ARE NEEDED.
[INAUDIBLE] UNDER OTHER CONDITIONS THE SECOND ONE IMPLEMENTED. NO EFFECT IS THAT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOME WORDS WERE MISSING.
ANY ONE ELSE THINK WORDS ARE MISSING? YEAH, IT DOESN'T SEEM COMPLETE TO ME.
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THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE. THE SECOND POINT UNDER OTHER CONDITIONS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS MORE EXPLANATION, MORE WORDS.YOU'RE SAYING THE SECOND SENTENCE? YEAH. ALL MITIGATION MEASURES SPECIFIED IN A REQUIRED CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY OR A CERTIFICATE.
OF APPROPRIATENESS, A CERTIFICATE OF SOMETHING SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED.
OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SEEMS LIKE IT [INAUDIBLE]. WELL, WE HAVE THREE POTENTIALS FOR CERTIFICATES, SO YEAH.
SO LIST THEM . SARA WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M READING IT CAREFULLY AGAIN [INAUDIBLE].
IS THERE A REASON MITIGATION MEASURES IS AN CAPS? NO. OKAY.
OTHERWISE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S LIKE A MORE FORMALIZED THING.
YEAH. I THINK THAT THE WORD THIS IS A TECHNICAL DOCUMENT IN A LOT OF WAYS.
LIKE THERE THERE'S THREE CERTIFICATES.
THEY'RE LISTED IN 103030 IN THE SECTION RIGHT AFTER YOUR CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THOUGH, SO THE PUBLIC WOULD READ IT.
YEAH. SO WE COULD PUT WE COULD PUT AT THE END SEE 103030 SEE CITY CODE 103030.
YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON THE SPIN.
SO I WROTE SEE CITY CODE 103030 FOR DETAILS ON STUDIES AND CERTIFICATES.
IT'S JUST A REFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO PERFECT.
ISN'T THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EXTENSION? BEFORE WE DO. YES.
NOW, WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S UNDER OTHER CONDITIONS SECOND FROM THE BOTTOM.
YEAH THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT EXTENSIONS IN HERE.
DO A SEARCH FOR THE WORD EXTENSION AND YOU GET NOTHING.
WHERE IS THAT? MAYBE GOT DELETED OUT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE IT.
[INAUDIBLE] EVEN STEP HAS NOTHING.
IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE EXTENDED OR EXTENDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE'LL JUST ADD A BULLET UNDERNEATH IT THAT SAYS REQUESTS.
SO HERE'S THE EXTENSION THING.
WE DO A CARRYOVER REQUEST TO ACCOUNTING EVERY MARCH.
SO IF YOU GOT A GRANT IN MAY OF 2021, AND YOU ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION APRIL OF 2021.
SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DUE DATE OF FEBRUARY 1ST.
IF YOU NEED AN EXTENSION, YOU MUST APPLY BY FEBRUARY 1ST BECAUSE AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BUFFER BECAUSE IF WE HAD YOU KNOW, A MEETING THAT WAS DELAYED FOR LACK OF QUORUM.
WE WOULD MISS THAT DEADLINE, BUT IT'S GENERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF MARCH.
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SARA WHAT IF IT WAS THE GRANT WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST OR JANUARY? WELL, JULY, IT'S REALLY THE REAL RED ZONE IS MARCH TO JUNE.WE JUST PUT THEM IN THIS AS EXTENSIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
YOU'D ESSENTIALLY BE TAKING MONEY FROM THE NEXT YEARS OF GRANT MONEY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU GET GRANT NOVEMBER.
YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE WOULD BE UP UNTIL NOVEMBER, AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IN FEBRUARY.
BUT THAT WOULD BE FINE, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK JULY ONE IS ACTUALLY THE TOP OF THE CALENDAR.
GRANTS APPROVED. YOU START THE PROCESS, RIGHT? WE DO IT AT THE JULY MEETING.
YOU REALIZE IN APRIL OF THAT YEAR YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT DONE.
IF UNLESS YOU UNLESS THE COMMISSION WANTS TO PRECLUDE A GRANT FROM BEING AVAILABLE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH YOU'RE WILLING TO BASICALLY FLUSH YOUR 2021 MONEY AND SPEND YOUR 2022 MONEY ON IT.
HERE'S THE ONES WITH STILL, WE HAVEN'T PAID OUT YET AND THE ONES WE HAVEN'T PAID OUT YET.
BUT IF WE HAVE TO CARRY IT OVER TWICE, HE DOESN'T DO THAT MATH UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS REQUESTED IT.
IT'S LIKE I SAID, THE RED ZONE IS REALLY MARCH TO JUNE.
BUT WE MIGHT NOT ALSO BE ABLE TO REQUEST THE MONEY BE CARRIED OVER.
TRYING TO EXPLAIN A CIRCLE OF THINGS THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE IN MY HEAD.
AND I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND, AS LONG AS IT MAKES SENSE IN SOMEONE'S HEAD .
YEAH, SO I HAVE TO BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY DON'T WAIT TOO LONG.
JUST EXTENSIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS? YEAH, MAYBE CONSIDER IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
YEAH. YEAH, BUT WE WHEN WE GET AN EXTENSION REQUEST, WE WOULD TELL YOU LIKE WE'VE MISSED THE CARRYOVER DEADLINE.
AND SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING NEXT FISCAL YEARS MONEY.
WITH THIS DECISION SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BANK IS FOR GRANTS.
DOES THAT THEN THEY'LL FREE UP SOME OF THIS YEAR'S MONEY.
LIKE, IF THEY'RE NOT TAKING THE $10,000 THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GETTING NEXT YEAR'S, WOULD WE THEN HAVE AN EXTRA GRANT FOR THIS YEAR OR WOULD WE BE OUT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO GIVE IT OUT? ONLY IF THEY COULD SPEND IT IN LIKE 30 DAYS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD.
CAN THEY GET A PARTIAL PAYOUT IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT DEADLINE? WE DON'T PAY OUT UNTIL THE WORK IS 100% DONE AND EXPECTED SO.
THESE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PART OF THE GRANT PROCESS THAT YOU THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS. BUT MARK AND I IN CREDIT [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING WHAT YOU'VE DONE .
BUT GETTING THIS CYCLE RIGHT MAKES SENSE.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE GREG AND MARK HAVE LIKE A SPREADSHEET.
AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TRACKING AND THEY'RE KNOWING WHO'S PAID OUT AND WE'RE NOT.
AND THEY'RE CHECKING IN WITH THE GRANT RECIPIENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON TRACK.
SO, BUT I PUT IN MY REQUEST FOR EXTENSIONS, MAYBE CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
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WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES IT DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE MEET ONCE A MONTH.YEAH. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO KNOW WELL AHEAD OF TIME THAT YOU NEED AN EXTENSION.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS FOURTH PAGE? LAST PAGE.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING WE'RE JUST WAITING ON FINAL LANGUAGE.
I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS DROPPED OFF.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE. SORRY, JUST ONE SECOND.
WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE NOTES [INAUDIBLE].
BUT COMMISSIONER KELLY DROPPED OFF A FEW MINUTES AGO JORDAN.
THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE LAST ONE? A PAYMENT REQUEST COMPLETED ON FLAGSTAFF FORM.
WHAT'S A FLAGSTAFF FORM? MARK. I WAS JUST THINKING IF I HAD A FORM THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE PEOPLE ON WHAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT SO.
MAYBE JUST EXPLAIN THAT BETTER.
WE'LL DO. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A LINK TO WHERE IT IS SO.
DID NOT REALLY GET GOING ON THE DEFINITIONS SO.
LIKE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
ANYTHING ANYONE PARTICULARLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A DEFINITION SECTION.
THANKS. OH, YEAH, WE COULD HAVE JUST A WEBLINK SECTION TO OUR SEARCH TERMS TO USE.
ANY FINAL THINGS ON THIS DOCUMENT ANYWAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER DRAFT OF THIS OR IS THIS THEN GOING TO.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT AGAIN, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEND A SEND IT FOR STAFF REVIEW BEFORE YOU SEE IT AGAIN, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LIKE CHRISTINA, WHO'S LISTENING TO PART OF OUR CONVERSATION, OUR ATTORNEYS THOUGHTS? ANYBODY WANT TO SEE IT ONE MORE TIME OR DO WE WANT TO SEE IT? I MEAN. IT'LL COME BACK TO US AFTER IT'S ALL APPROVED, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE LITTLE CHANGES TO IT.
AND SO YOU GET TO SEE IT COMPLETELY TOGETHER.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.
THE ATTORNEYS GO, WAIT, WE FOUND SOMETHING.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THAT YET.
WE'RE STILL JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR IDEAS DOWN ENOUGH TO START THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I HOPE THAT WE DON'T SEE THIS AGAIN UNTIL IT'S GONE THROUGH PEOPLE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I WOULD REQUEST WHEN IT COMES BACK, WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THE FORMATTING CHANGES ON THE RIGHT.
I DON'T GET A LOT OF TRACK CHANGES ABBEY ANY THOUGHTS? NOPE, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME.
WE ACTUALLY GOT COMMENTS FROM SOME OF THE REVIEWERS OF THIS WHO SAID, WHY ARE YOU SENDING SOMETHING WITH TRACK CHANGES TO YOUR COMMISSION? AND WE THINK BECAUSE THEY WANTED IT.
SO THEN THAT WILL CONCLUDE THAT PIECE OF BUSINESS, CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO APPROVALS UNDER REPORTS.
[7. REPORTS]
ANYTHING EXCITING ABOUT THIS ONE CONSULTATION MARK? NO, I'M JUST WAITING FOR A PERMIT, AN HPC PERMIT.SO I REVIEW THINGS, I REVIEW SIGN PERMITS, AND THEN SINCE IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, I NEED A HPC APPLICATION, WHICH I HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET.
SOUNDS GOOD. SO NOW WE'LL MOVE ONTO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS.
[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]
THE COMMISSION DOES HAVE ONE PIECE OF BUSINESS.[01:15:02]
AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON THAT.I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND ONLINE.
I WOULD BE SCREECHING INTO TOWN AT THAT EXACT MOMENT.
SO IF THINGS DON'T GO PERFECTLY, THEN I WOULDN'T BE THERE SO.
AND SARA YOU'LL BE OUT OF TOWN. BE OUT OF TOWN.
I WILL ONLY JOIN YOU IF THERE'S A CASE THAT I COME IN THAT I'M HANDLING.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M JOINING.
SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING BUSINESS THAT WILL NEED TO GET DONE.
IT COULD BE THE MONTH AFTER, BUT THERE IS A GRANT APPLICATION COMING IN.
SO ANY OBJECTIONS? EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE UNABLE TO ATTEND, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF US WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, CORRECT? I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND EITHER IN PERSON.
I'M AVAILABLE. I'M FLEXIBLE, WHATEVER WE NEED.
SO WE'LL JUST PLAN ON MEETING.
IT MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VIRTUAL THAN I WAS OUT OF TOWN SOMETIMES FOR SPRING BREAK, LIKE EVERYONE JUST HERE, SO WE JUST NEEDED TO CHECK THE PEOPLE WEREN'T GOING TO LIKE MADAGASCAR OR SPRING BREAKERS KNOW, GOING TO BE WILDERNESS CAMPING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YOU JOIN.
SO DOES THAT MEAN I CAN'T COME IN PERSON? I AM WORKING WITH IT RIGHT NOW.
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW THE CLERK ALSO DID NOT KNOW THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE THE ROOM SET UP THAT WAY ANYMORE BECAUSE IT GAVE JORDAN ADVICE ON HOW TO WORK IN THERE AND IT WAS NOT CORRECT. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM AND IT WON'T LET ME BOOK THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS SO.
PROBABLY THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WOULD BE WILL NEED TO BEFORE MARCH 15TH, COME IN AND DO A TRAINING ON HOW THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS SET UP.
ANY ONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PERSON TO HELP MANAGE THE FRONT DAIS STUFF IN THE MEETING ROOM.
STAFF WOULD NEED TO DO IT AGAIN, BUT RIGHT NOW I CAN'T BOOK IT.
SO RIGHT NOW I WOULD JUST IT'S VIRTUAL UNLESS I CAN TELL YOU I CAN GET US IT'S FULLY VIRTUAL UNTIL I CAN TELL YOU I'VE SOLVED THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND THAT WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYONE TRAINED IN THE NEW SPACE.
OTHERWISE MAYBE IT'S JUST BEST TO HAVE THIS ONE BE VIRTUAL.
THEN APRIL WE'D ACTUALLY BE IN CHAMBERS IN A PUBLIC AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN JOIN US.
SO ACTUALLY BY APRIL 19TH, DO THE TRAINING.
YEAH, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S MORE REASONABLE FOR OUR SCHEDULE TOO.
WE HAVE A REALLY BUSY MARCH WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN, SO MARCH IS ALREADY KIND OF BOOKED FOR STAFF.
WE'RE SAVING ENOUGH TIME TO WORK WITH CLIENTS AND DEAL WITH POP UPS.
BUT AND YOU CAN SEND SHELLI OR SOMEONE CAN SEND SHELLI INFO ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT TRAINING.
YEAH WE WOULD HAVE TO ALL MEET AND GO DO IT IN PERSON, PROBABLY WITH IT HELPING US OUT.
SO WHY DON'T YOU GET THE WHY CAN'T WE BOOK THE ROOM THING RESOLVED AND THEN I'LL GET THE HOW DO WE GET TRAINED IN A NEW ROOM AND THEN BY APRIL EXCUSE ME TILL APRIL. I THINK WE CAN SOLVE ALL OF THAT.
ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? YEAH. CAN I ASK IF WE COULD SEE THE SIGN APPROVALS AND I DON'T SEE PICTURES THE NEXT TIME, OR COULD YOU SEND THEM OUT SO WE COULD SEE THEM? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SIGN OF APPROVAL YET.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST A CONSULTATION.
THERE'S JUST ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
MAYBE IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.
THAT'S LAST MONTH. [INAUDIBLE] IT SAYS WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY APPROVALS THIS MONTH.
YEAH. NO, WE WILL ONCE WE HAVE IT AS A FINAL APPROVED ONE.
YES. WE JUST CAN'T SHARE THE CONSULTATION.
THE ONES WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IN THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE THEY DO CHANGE A LOT.
LIKE HERE'S THE FRONT COVER AND HERE'S THE FINDINGS, BUT NEVER [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. AND IN THE POSTED AGENDA YOU CAN ALL READ.
IF WE HAVE REDACTED INFORMATION, YOU CAN ALL REVIEW IT, BUT NOT IN THE PUBLIC FACING AGENDA.
OKAY. SO WE [INAUDIBLE] WE DO THAT SPECIAL.
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ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK ON THAT DOCUMENT.I'M EXCITED. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT.
AND WE'LL CHECK IN [INAUDIBLE].
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE [INAUDIBLE] MARK.
THANKS, EVERYBODY. I HEREBY CALL THIS MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION OF FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023, TO ADJOURNMENT AT 5:43 P.M..
THANKS, EVERYBODY, AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL IN MARCH.
ALL RIGHT. HAVE A GOOD DAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.