>> WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. [1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the City Council and to the general public that, at this work session, the City Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).] [00:00:07] TODAY IS TUESDAY, MAY 9TH, 2023. WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S WORK SESSION. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS WORK SESSION, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA. ROLL CALL. >> MAYOR DAGGETT. >> HERE. >> VICE MAYOR ASLAN. >> HERE, I'M AT A HOME THIS AFTERNOON REMOTE TAKING CARE OF SUPERVISING A MEDICAL FOSTER KITTENS FROM HIGH COUNTRY HUMANE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET. >> HERE. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? >> YES, I WILL. THANK YOU. FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO STAND, PLEASE STAND. >> >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATHEWS, OUR MISSION STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE MISSION OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS. THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS. WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS THEIR HOME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. [4. Public Participation Public Participation enables the public to address the council about items that are not on the prepared agenda. Public Participation appears on the agenda twice, at the beginning and at the end of the work session. You may speak at one or the other, but not both. Anyone wishing to comment at the meeting is asked to fill out a speaker card and submit it to the recording clerk. When the item comes up on the agenda, your name will be called. You may address the Council up to three times throughout the meeting, including comments made during Public Participation. Please limit your remarks to three minutes per item to allow everyone to have an opportunity to speak. At the discretion of the Chair, ten or more persons present at the meeting and wishing to speak may appoint a representative who may have no more than fifteen minutes to speak.] THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TODAY'S AGENDA. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, WE'LL NEED A COMMENT CARD FILLED OUT. YOU CAN ALSO COMMENT IF YOU'RE ONLINE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND COUNSEL IS NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS YOU OR ASK QUESTIONS. ITEM NUMBER 4, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. MICHAEL PAPPUS. >> THANK YOU MAYOR DAGGETT AND COUNCIL. I HAD MENTIONED A FEW TIMES HERE RECENTLY ABOUT THE ABOMINATION OF OUR FLAGSTAFF PUBLIC BUS AGENCY NAIPTA. THIS IS EMBARRASSING. IT'S NOT EVEN A JOKE. IT'S SERIOUS MATTER. IN THE PAST FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WRITING NAIPTA, I NOW OWN A LIBRARY OF NAIPTA MISCONDUCT STORIES AGAINST MYSELF, NEITHER IT DOES IS TO COUNTLESS OTHERS ALSO. I'VE SPOKEN TO COUNTLESS OTHERS. I HAVE NOW TAKEN MY EVIDENCE TO THE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT MANY TIMES. ON EVERY OCCASION, I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR THIS IN THIS ROOM. THE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING SUPERIORS, HAVE REFUSED TO EVEN GLANCE IN THE DIRECTION OF NAIPTA'S MISCONDUCT. I HAVE EVEN REPORTED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS AND I EXPLAINED HOW. YOUR FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT COLLECTS, THAT YOU PAY WHAT WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS HAS TROUBLE ADDRESSING A SAFETY CONCERN IN TOWN BEING NAIPTA. THERE'S NO WORDS. WHAT ARE WE SAYING THE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE LAW VIOLATIONS REGARDING PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND EVEN PUBLIC EMPLOYEES? YES, INDEED, THEY DO. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. I'VE LIVED IT TOO MANY TIMES THAT COUNT, EVERY TIME. AMONG NAIPTA'S VARIOUS FEDERAL CRIMES, NAIPTA EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN REGULARLY UNLAWFULLY TRESPASSING OUR PUBLIC BUS PASSENGERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SATISFYING THEIR POWER TRIPS. THESE UNLAWFUL TRESPASSES ARE THEN REGULARLY TURNED TO THE UNLAWFUL AND LENGTHY BUS RIDING SUSPENSIONS BY THE WORST ANIMAL, CRIMINAL IN FLAGSTAFF NAIPTA'S MANAGER, SAM SHORT. HE SHOULD ALREADY BE IN JAIL. WE, AS TAXPAYERS, ARE ALSO PAYING FOR ALL NAIPTA EMPLOYEE'S MISCONDUCT AGAINST US. [00:05:04] NOW COUNCIL CAN LISTEN TO THESE FACTS REGARDING THE FLAGSTAFF PUBLIC BUS AGENCY AND CONSIDER PUTTING NAIPTA ON THEIR AGENDA. BUT THE FACT IS THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER, IS PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN RELY ON THEIR TAXPAYER FUNDED BUS TO GET THE JOBS, NECESSITIES, AND FOR OVERALL LIVELIHOODS. BUT NO ONE HAS TO ADDRESS THE NAIPTA MATTER STILL. LET NAIPTA KEEP ABUSING OUR PUBLIC HERE WITH NO CONSEQUENCES. AS NAIPTA CONTINUES TO MAKE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COUNCIL LOOK BAD BECAUSE THE MATTER IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED. REGARDLESS, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY, ALONG WITH THE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT, WILL BE DEFENDING MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUITS DUE THE NAIPTA'S MISCONDUCT AGAINST ME. ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THE FLAGSTAFF POLICE DEPARTMENT AND NAIPTA WHAT WON'T BE ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC IN TOWN. EMBARRASSING. >> THANK YOU. MICHAEL. MICHELLE JAMES. >> HELLO, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MICHELLE JAMES. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FRIENDS OF FLAGSTAFF'S FUTURE. FLAGSTAFF, A NORTHERN ARIZONA REGION NEED GOOD HEALTH CARE OPTIONS. THIS IS NOT IN DISPUTE. THE CONCERNS THAT FQ CONTINUES TO RAISE REGARDING THE NAH PROPOSAL TO RELOCATE THE HOSPITAL, ARE RELATED DIRECTLY TO PROVIDING QUALITY HEALTH CARE THAT BENEFITS RESIDENCE OF FLAGSTAFF AS WELL AS THE REGION. NAH CONTINUES TO STATE THAT A NEW GREENFIELD HOSPITAL IS WHAT'S BEST FOR FLAGSTAFF AND THEN NEW HOSPITAL IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN GOOD DOCTORS. THESE ARE QUESTIONABLE STATEMENTS WHILE EVERY DOCTOR WOULD LIKE TO WORK IN A SHINY NEW BUILDING, THERE ARE MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHO DO NOT. IN FACT, MANY OF THESE DOCTORS WORK AT THE HIGHEST RATED HOSPITALS IN THE US THAT ARE LOCATED IN DENSE CITIES SUCH AS JOHNS HOPKINS BAYVIEW AND MASS GENERAL. OLDER HOSPITALS IN DENSE CITIES CANNOT ALWAYS BE MOVED MILES AWAY AND REBUILT. INSTEAD THEY ARE RENOVATED OR REBUILT IN THE SAME PLACE. RENOVATION OF FMC AND EXPANSION AWAY FROM THE MAIN CAMPUS IS THE INTENT OF NAH AS OUTLINED IN THEIR NEW ERA STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH STATES THAT THE ROLE OF THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER INCLUDES CREATING BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH IMPROVED ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE AT THE RIGHT PLACE. IN 2019, THE NAH BOARD DEDICATED $300 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROGRAMS TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS FUNDING INCLUDED THE REDESIGN OF INPATIENT FACILITIES TO CREATE ALL PRIVATE ROOMS AND EXPAND CARE AREAS, INCLUDING MOVING THE CHILDREN'S HEALTH CENTER FROM THE WEST CAMPUS TO A SEPARATE AND LARGER LOCATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF FLAGSTAFF. THE NAH STRATEGIC PLAN DOES NOT INDICATE THE NEED FOR A VERTICALLY DESIGNED NEW HOSPITAL BUILDING IN ORDER TO SERVE THIS LARGER COMMUNITY. NAH CAN CONTINUE THE VISION OUTLINED IN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN BY RETROFITTING AND RENOVATING THE EXISTING FMC BUILDING. MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND RELATED TECHNOLOGY ARE NOW SMALLER AND MORE EFFICIENT THAN 20 YEARS AGO AND CAN BE USED IN RETROFITTING BUILDINGS WHERE THE NEEDED CEILING HEIGHTS CAN BE CREATED. UTILIZING PORTIONS OF THE FLOORS ABOVE. THESE ARE STEPS THAT ARE TAKEN BY OTHER NON-PROFITS CITY HOSPITALS TO MAINTAIN THE PRESENCE IN PROXIMITY TO THEIR PATIENTS. FQ BELIEVES THE BENEFITS OF RENOVATING THE EXISTING FMC CAMPUS BUILDINGS OUTWEIGH THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT AND RISKS THAT CAN BE EXPECTED WITH THE BUILDING OF A NEW HOSPITAL OUTSIDE THE CORE OF FLAGSTAFF. THE HOSPITAL ITSELF IS NO LONGER THE HUB OF HEALTH CARE. THE PATIENT IS THE HUB. NAH SHOULD IMPLEMENT THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN BY CREATING AN EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE DISTRIBUTED NETWORK OF PATIENT CARE, OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A HUB-AND-SPOKE DESIGN TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY. THE AREA SERVED BY NAH HAS URGENT MEDICAL NEEDS. NAH'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WOULD BE BETTER SPENT TO ADDRESS THESE COMMUNITY HEALTH CARE NEEDS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MICHELLE. SANDRA LUBARSKY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SANDRA LUBARSKY AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF FLAGSTAFF'S FUTURE. ACTUALLY, A BOARD MEMBER. I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO A RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT BY HEALTH FIRST. ALERT HOSPITAL NETWORK IN FLORIDA. ON MAY 5TH, HEALTH FIRST ANNOUNCED THAT IT WAS ABANDONING ITS PLANS TO DEVELOP A WELLNESS VILLAGE. HEALTH FIRST ORIGINAL PLAN FOR A WELLNESS VILLAGE WAS LIKE NAH'S PLAN, A MEDICAL RETAIL COMPLEX. THE PROJECT HAD BEEN APPROVED AND WAS UNDERWAY, [00:10:02] BUT FOUR DAYS AGO, HEALTH FIRST SCRAPPED ITS PLANS. THE CEO BRETT ESROCK SAID IN AN EMAIL, "AT HEALTH FIRST, WE KNEW IT WAS CRITICAL FOR US TO RE-EVALUATE HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WHILE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. THAT'S WHY OUR COLLABORATIVE DESIGN TEAM CAME UP WITH A REVISED CONCEPT TRANSITIONING OUR VISION FROM A WELLNESS VILLAGE TO A CONVENTIONAL HEALTHCARE CAMPUS. MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON THE ISSUE OF THE PROPOSAL FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE YOU HAVE AT THIS TWO SETS OF DATA. YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY NAH AND YOU HAVE INFORMATION FROM STAFF ABOUT ISSUES PERTAINING DIRECTLY TO INFORMATION FROM NAH. WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS ANY OPINION FROM OUTSIDE EXPERTS WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WELLNESS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND HOSPITAL RENOVATION PROJECTS, SUCH EXPERTS CLEARLY EXIST. THAT IS THE INFORMATION NEEDED IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE FINDINGS RELATED TO THE BENEFITS AND DRAWBACKS OF THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY'S WELL-BEING AS A WHOLE. THE PROPOSED HOSPITAL MOVE IS OF SUCH CONSEQUENCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE ARRIVE AT CLARITY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF A MEDICAL RETAIL COMPLEX ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROPOSAL IMPACTS THE SYSTEMS OF RELATIONS THAT CONSTITUTE A COMMUNITY. GEORGE MIKITARIAN, CEO AND PRESIDENT OF PARRISH HOSPITAL IN TITUSVILLE FLORIDA WAS AN EARLY ADOPTER OF THE HEALTH VILLAGE IDEA. BUT WHAT HE FOUND WAS THAT THE VILLAGES THAT CONTAIN NON-MEDICAL RETAILERS END UP EXCLUDING LOWER-INCOME PEOPLE. THAT HE SAYS RUNS COUNTER TO THE MISSION OF A NON-PROFIT HEALTH ORGANIZATION. UNDER HIS GUIDANCE, PARRISH HOSPITALS ALSO MOVED AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE CONCEPT. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL HOSPITAL. IN FACT, AN A HOSPITAL BY NATIONAL STANDARDS. WE HAVE A HOSPITAL SURROUNDED BY OUTSTANDING MEDICAL FACILITIES AND SOCIAL AGENCY SUPPORTIVE OF WELLNESS. YOU MIGHT SAY WE HAVE A HIGHLY INTEGRATED, INCLUSIVE, WELL-FUNCTIONING WELLNESS VILLAGE. I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE SPEAK TO EXPERTS IN THE FIELD BEFORE YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SANDRA. DAPPER DRE. >> GREETINGS AGAIN, MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF. IT'S BIKE MONTH, SO I FIGURED I'D COME TALK ABOUT BIKES AGAIN, SINCE I CAN'T RIDE THEM JUST YET. THREE MINUTES GOES BY SUPER QUICK TOO, I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOR HOURS SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE ME FOR THE REST OF THE MONTH. BUT JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BASICS OF ROAD DESIGN IN THE SENSE OF CONVENIENCE AND SAFETY. WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHAT LONE TREE OVERPASSES THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND 100 MILLION ROUNDABOUT MILTON, THAT'S CLOSE TO 50, PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT. WHEN FOLKS LIKE US WHO ARE INTO PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE AND ALTERNATIVE FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION COME AND ASK. WE'RE ASKING FOR FIVE, $10 MILLION THAT WOULD GO A REALLY, REALLY LONG WAY TO HELPING SAFETY. MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INTEGRATED FOR MOTOR VEHICLES IS GOING TO BE CONVENIENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILT-IN WITH A VERY HIGH STANDARD OF SAFETY ON THEIR OWN. THAT'S A GOVERNMENT REGULATION. A LOT OF THEM COME CRASHED HEAD. A LOT OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN BUILT-IN SAFETY FEATURES. BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T OFTEN TAKE MOTOR VEHICLES, WE NEED THE SAFETY BUILT-IN FOR US. THAT'S ROW DESIGN AND THAT'S INTERSECTION DESIGN IN PARTICULAR. ANYTIME THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE TO INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOUR PEDESTRIANS. THAT'S GOING TO HELP PEOPLE GET AROUND OTHER WAYS THAN JUST MOTOR VEHICLES. WE NEED SAFETY. WE NEED SAFETY, THAT GIVES US CONVENIENCE. BUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE EITHER OF THOSE, THEN IT BECOMES QUITE INCONVENIENT. I'LL SHARE A STORY WITH IN THE LAST 30 SECONDS ABOUT BEING INCONVENIENCED BY ROAD SAFETY, BUT WE'LL WAIT TILL THAT GETS THERE. WE CONTINUE TO JUST DESIGN FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF CARS. HOW DO YOU GET THERE FIVE MINUTES QUICKER. HOW CAN YOU GO 45 INSTEAD OF GOING 25? HOW CAN YOU GO 65 INSTEAD OF GOING 45? ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE SPEEDING THEM UP. SPEEDING THEM UP, BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEDESTRIANS UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT OTHERWISE. WHY DOES NOBODY GO TO THE SOUTH SIDE FOR FIRST FRIDAY ART WALK? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS FOUR LANE SUPER DANGEROUS HIGHWAY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF. [00:15:01] NONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE SAFETY NONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE REALLY DESIGNED FOR PEDESTRIANS. THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR CARS. ALL I'M ASKING IS MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME DESIGN FOR CARS. NOT CARS, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT. YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. MOVE SOME FOR PEDESTRIANS AND AS FAR AS BEING INCONVENIENCED. WHEN YOUR PELVIS IS SHATTERED LIKE MINE WAS, THEY PUT A ROD IN THE BACK AND THEN THEY ALSO DRILL TWO RODS DOWN THE FRONT SO THEY'RE EXPOSED AND YOU'RE WEARING PRETTY MUCH LIKE A METAL BELT. YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW INCONVENIENT THAT IS. YOU CAN'T WALK, YOU CAN'T STAND UP, YOU CAN'T GO TO THE BATHROOM, YOU CAN'T DO MOST THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO AND LOVE AND GET AROUND AND PROVIDE FOR YOURSELF. I COULD SAY, THAT'S AN INCONVENIENCE THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN THERE'S ROAD STRUCTURES AND ROAD DESIGNS THAT ARE OFTEN BUILT JUST FOR CARS AND NOT FOR PEDESTRIANS. OH, YEAH. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. >> THANKS, DRE. BRIAN BATES. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL STAFF I'M BRIAN BATES. FIRST I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I MEAN THAT VERY SINCERELY. SECONDLY, WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP ON A FARM IN MISSOURI, MY UNCLE TAUGHT ME THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S A PROBLEM, THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT, THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE. ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE ARE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE THAT WE MIGHT NOT YET HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO LOOK AT. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IF WE WERE TO DESIGNATE ONE PARKING LOT AND WHAT YOU BUILD A LARGE PARKING STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE OTHER PARKING LOTS BECOME AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL MEDICAL ROOMS, LABORATORIES, WHATEVER IS NECESSARY. NUMBER 2, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VACANT BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN. WHAT IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND MOVE THEM INTO SOME OF THOSE VACANT BUILDINGS. A LOT OF THE ADMINISTRATORS DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY ARE NOW. NUMBER 3, I THINK ONE OF THE HEALTH ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT TO REALLY BE AWARE OF IS OUR WATER QUALITY, AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO VERY MUCH LOOK CAREFULLY AT DOING ADVANCED TREATMENT ON OUR RECLAIMED WATER, OUR DRINKING WATER. ONE OF THE PLACES WE MIGHT START WOULD BE TO PUT A PILOT PLANT AT THE CURRENT HOSPITAL TO SEE IF WE CAN REMOVE THE PHARMACEUTICALS AND ANY OF THE OTHER POTENTIAL CHEMICALS THAT COULD GET INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM. WITH THAT, I SIMPLY ASK THAT, LET'S SLOW DOWN. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE HIDDEN OPPORTUNITIES ARE SO THAT WE DON'T MISS SOMETHING THAT COULD SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF FRUSTRATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WORK. >> THANK YOU, BRIAN. STEPHAN SUMMER. OH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A GROUP HERE WITH YOU. COULD I HAVE EVERYONE WHO IS IN THIS GROUP STAND? YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES. >> I THOUGHT 10, BUT OKAY 15 IS EVEN BETTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HEARING OUR COMMENTS. MY NAME IS STEPHAN SUMMER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN FLAGSTAFF FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WITH THE NORTHERN ARIZONA CLIMATE CHANGE ALLIANCE AND THE FOLKS WHO STOOD UP ARE 12 OF OUR 9,000 MEMBERS HERE IN TOWN. AS YOU ALL KNOW AND HAVE HEARD, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NAH PROPOSAL. WHILE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DECLARED A CLIMATE EMERGENCY, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED THAT THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY STAFF TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY IN THEIR DECISIONS ABOUT THE CITY'S FUTURE. CLIMATE CHANGE REALLY IS AN EMERGENCY. THIS IS NOT JUST A SAYING. THE RECENT REPORT FROM THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE NOW PROJECTS THAT WE WILL REACH 1.5 DEGREES CENTIGRADE WARMING IN 2028. THAT'S A MERE FIVE YEARS AWAY. CLIMATE DISASTERS ARE ALREADY COSTING THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR. CLIMATE DISASTERS ARE ALREADY COSTING FLAGSTAFF TENS TO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN [00:20:04] DAMAGES NOT TO MENTION THE COST OF HUMAN SUFFERING FROM DYING FORESTS, WILDFIRES, AND WILDFIRE RISKS. THE IPCC PROJECTS, BASED ON DATA FROM THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, THAT THE COSTS TO THE GLOBAL ECONOMY WHEN WE REACH 1.5 DEGREES CENTIGRADE, WARMING WILL BE ABOUT $54 TRILLION PER YEAR. THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER. OUR ENTIRE GLOBAL GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT IS 104 TRILLION. FIFTY-FOUR TRILLION DOES NOT FIT INTO THAT ECONOMY. THAT'S THE MONETARY COST. BUT AGAIN, NOT TO MENTION THE HUMAN SUFFERING FROM A LARGE ARRAY OF MORE FREQUENT AND MORE INTENSE CLIMATE DISASTERS. IN THIS GLOBAL AND LOCAL CONTEXT, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF MUST MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE CITIES CARBON FOOTPRINT. CARBON FOOTPRINTS ARE ADDITIVE AND THAT'S ONE OF MY KEY POINTS HERE. EVERY BIT WE EMIT MATTERS. EVERY BIT WE EMIT ADDS TO THE PROBLEM. IN 2020, OUR EMISSIONS HAD ALREADY PUT 2,400 GIGATONS OF CO_2 INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. WE WILL REACH 1.5 DEGREES CENTIGRADE WARMING WHEN WE HAVE PUT IN 2,900 GIGATONS OF CO_2 INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE. IN 2020, WE HAD 500 GIGATONS REMAINING THAT WE COULD EMIT BEFORE REACHING 1.5, AND WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO REACHING THAT. THAT MEANS IN 2020 WE HAD 500 GIGATONS MORE WE COULD EMIT BEFORE REACHING 1.5 WITH ITS IMMENSE COSTS. AGAIN, EVERY BIT WE EMIT MATTERS. THERE WAS A GROUP WHO PRESENTED TO YOU-ALL IN THIS CHAMBER LAST WEEK SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T WORK TO REDUCE OUR FOOTPRINT BECAUSE OTHERS, LIKE CHINA, AREN'T REDUCING THEIRS. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS EXACTLY THE ATTITUDE THAT HAS GOTTEN US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. CARBON FOOTPRINTS ARE ADDITIVE AND EVERY BIT WE EMIT MATTERS. PEOPLE IN THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCAL AND GLOBAL EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE. YEAR AFTER YEAR, THEY SEE THE EFFECTS OF HIGHER TEMPERATURES AND DROUGHT ON OUR FORESTS AND RANGELANDS. EVEN JUNIPER FORESTS ARE DYING NOW, AND JUNIPERS, AS WE KNOW, ARE TOUGH AS NAILS. PEOPLE COUNT THE INCREASING NUMBERS OF WILDFIRES AND PREPARED TO EVACUATE AS THEY APPROACH. THEY BREATHE THE SMOKE AND SOME WATCH THEIR HOMES GO UP IN FLAMES. THEY WORRY THAT FLAGSTAFF MIGHT BE THE NEXT PARADISE, CALIFORNIA, OR THE NEXT BOULDER COUNTY, COLORADO, AND WONDER IF THIS CLIMATE CHANGE COST WILL BE THEIR FINAL SACRIFICE. EXTREME TEMPERATURES IN CENTRAL ARIZONA ARE NOW SENDING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM EVERY SUMMER WITH SYMPTOMS OF HEAT STRESS. PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT THAT PEOPLE ESCAPING EXTREME HEAT IN PHOENIX HAVE ON THE FLAGSTAFF'S HOUSING MARKET. THE RALLYING CRY OF HOMES, NOT HOTELS, CAN BE SEEN IN MORE AND MORE NEIGHBORHOODS. LACK OF HOUSING AND EXORBITANT RENTS ARE DRIVING SOME FOLKS AWAY AND OTHERS INTO HOMELESSNESS. STUDIES HAVE NOW CONFIRMED THAT IT IS NOT JUST OUR IMAGINATION, BUT MONSOON DOWNPOURS HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN MORE INTENSE. WE NOW SEE SEVERAL 200-YEAR RAINFALL EVENTS IN THE SAME SUMMER. ADD THESE TO OUR FIRE DENUDED WATERSHEDS AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE JUST CAN'T HANDLE IT. FLAGSTAFF WAS NOT BUILT FOR THESE KINDS OF STORMS. HOMES, BASEMENTS, AND CITY STREETS WERE NOT DESIGNED FOR SUCH DOWNPOURS. HOW WILL HOMEOWNERS AND THE CITY PAY FOR ALL THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NEEDED? THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE COST OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY. RANCHERS HAVE TO HAUL MORE FEED AND WATER IN FALL AND WINTER BECAUSE OF DRYING RANGELANDS. LARGE SWATHS OF COCONINO COUNTY HAVE SEEN GREATER THAN 80 PERCENT REDUCTION IN RANGE LAND PRODUCTIVITY, AND THE RANCHERS FEEL IT. FOOD COSTS WILL KEEP ON RISING AS OUR AGRICULTURAL SYSTEMS STRUGGLE. ALREADY, CORN PRODUCTION IN IOWA HAS BECOME MORE VOLATILE, WHILE CORN PRODUCTION IN NORTHERN ALBERTA IS RISING STEADILY. [00:25:01] EXTREME DROUGHT IS WIPING OUT CORN, BEAN AND MELON PRODUCTION IN GUATEMALA, HONDURAS, AND EL SALVADOR, DRIVING FARMERS OFF THEIR LAND. MANY OF THESE CLIMATE REFUGEES END UP AT OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. NEW DISEASES ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR AND BECOME MORE PREVALENT IN FLAGSTAFF AS NEW MOSQUITO SPECIES MOVED NORTHWARD. SOME ARE ON THE VERGE OF ARRIVING. THESE NEW DISEASES COULD INCLUDE ZIKA VIRUS, CHIKUNGUNYA, MALARIA, AND OTHERS. HOW DO THESE COSTS COMPARE WITH THE COST OF REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT? IN TERMS OF HUMAN SUFFERING, THERE'S NO COMPARISON. THE COST OF CLIMATE CHANGE FAR OUTWEIGH THE COST OF INVESTING IN CLEAN ENERGY, CONSERVING ENERGY, AND CONVERTING TO CLEANER LIFESTYLES. IN FACT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BENEFITS TO OUR ECONOMY AND TO OUR HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. FORTUNATELY, WIND AND SOLAR HAVE BEEN THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAYS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY FOR MANY YEARS NOW, AND PEOPLE IN THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY AND OUR REGION ARE INVESTING IN IT. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 99 MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN ELECTRICITY FROM THE PERRIN RANCH WIND POWER PLANT AND 127 MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN ELECTRICITY FROM THE DRY LAKE HILLS WIND POWER PLANT. AS WE SPEAK, A 477 MEGAWATT WIND POWER PLANT IS BEING BUILT AT CHEVELON BUTTE JUST OUTSIDE OF WINSLOW, AND BABBITT RANCHES IS INSTALLING 161 MEGAWATTS OF WIND POWER AND 60-80 MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR POWER JUST NORTH OF THE PEAKS. NEXT YEAR, BABBITT RANCHES WANTS TO BEGIN INSTALLING AN ADDITIONAL 480 MEGAWATT SOLAR POWER PLANT, AND THIS WILL GIVE US, IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, 1,424 MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN ELECTRICITY. THE TIME TO SHIFT TO ELECTRIC IS NOW. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS MANY DECISIONS TO MAKE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR REGIONAL PLANS GOAL OF REACHING NET-ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2030. THE ONE BILLION-DOLLAR PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE HOSPITAL TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN IS BY FAR THE LARGEST CARBON FOOTPRINT DECISION IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. AS CURRENTLY STATED, THIS PROPOSAL IS LIKELY TO HAVE AN OPERATING FOOTPRINT WELL OVER 20,000 METRIC TONS OF CO_2 EVERY YEAR. REQUIRE NAH TO PROVIDE THEIR ESTIMATE. THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY ACCOUNTS FOR 38 PERCENT OF THE US CARBON FOOTPRINT. HOW MUCH CO_2 WILL THE NAH CONSTRUCTION PRODUCE? REQUIRE NAH TO PROVIDE THEIR ESTIMATE. THERE ARE PROJECTED TO BE 53,190 ADDITIONAL VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY BECAUSE OF THIS RELOCATION. WHAT WILL BE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THAT? THIS PROPOSED RELOCATION WILL REQUIRE $54 MILLION IN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT WILL BE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THAT? THE HOSPITAL'S CURRENT LOCATION WILL NEED TO BE REPURPOSED FOR AS YET UNSPECIFIED USES. WHAT WILL BE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THAT? THE CITY MUST REQUIRE THESE CARBON FOOTPRINT ESTIMATES OF NAH SO THAT THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION CAN ASSESS THE IMPACT THEY WILL HAVE ON THE CITY'S ABILITY TO MEET ITS GOAL OF NET-ZERO BY 2030, AND HOPEFULLY WORK WITH THE NAH TO REDUCE ALL OF THESE CARBON FOOTPRINTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THERE ARE CURRENTLY OTHER HOSPITALS BEING BUILT WITH NET-ZERO CARBON FOOTPRINTS FROM DAY 1. THERE IS NO REASON THAT NAH COULD NOT FOLLOW THESE NEW STANDARDS IN THEIR OWN INDUSTRY. I WILL SEND YOU-ALL AN ELECTRONIC COPY WHICH INCLUDES A LINK TO MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT THE HOSPITAL RELOCATION PROPOSAL HAS NOT INCLUDED, AND HERE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES AND I'M NOT THE EXPERT THAT YOUR SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION WOULD BE. PV PANELS ON ALL PARKING LOTS AND STRUCTURES. CARBON ABSORBING CEMENT SUBSTITUTES. A SOLID COMMITMENT TO PURCHASE ONLY ELECTRICITY FROM CLEAN SOURCES. NOT JUST A PARTIAL COMMITMENT, A TOTAL COMMITMENT. RATHER THAN HAVING FOSSIL FUEL BACKUP, USE CLEAN HYDROGEN AS THE BACKUP FOR ENERGY DEMAND IN THOSE OCCASIONS WHEN OTHER SOURCES ARE NOT PROVIDING IT. INSTALL 50 EV CHARGING STATIONS TO HELP THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF SHIFT ITS CULTURE AWAY FROM COMBUSTION VEHICLES. PUT IN 100 BIKE RACKS, [00:30:02] AGAIN, FOR THE SAME PURPOSE. PURCHASE TWO ALL-ELECTRIC BUSES FOR COVERING MOUNTAIN LINES REQUIRE NEW ROUTES FOR SERVING THIS NEW LOCATION. USE A PASSIVE SOLAR LAYOUT FOR THE BUILDINGS TO MINIMIZE HEATING AND COOLING COSTS. USE LEED CERTIFICATION OF BUILDING PLANS. THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING NAU IN TOWN THAT HAVE HAD LEED PLATINUM LEVEL BUILDINGS BUILT. WHY CAN THAT NOT BE DONE HERE? WE URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THE NAH PROPOSAL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEY PROVIDE THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT NUMBERS AND THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH NAH TO MINIMIZE THEIR FOOTPRINT. PLEASE DO NOT REVERSE YEARS OF PROGRESS ON FLAGSTAFF'S CARBON FOOTPRINT. BUILD A LEGACY OF REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AND PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY FROM EXTREME HEAT, GREATER WILDFIRE, GREATER FLOODING, AND THE EMOTIONAL COST OF DOING NOTHING. EVERY BIT WE EMIT MATTERS. OF COURSE, THE BIGGER THE BIT, THE MORE IT MATTERS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ADAM SHIMONI. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> CAN I GET 15 MINUTES? DEFINITELY FILL THAT TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL LEADERSHIP AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE WITH YOU. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY, AND ANOTHER TUESDAY. WHEN I GOT GREETED AT THE DOOR, THEY SAID, DON'T YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE? I SAID THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE I NEED TO BE AND IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE AGAIN. I HAVE THREE MAIN POINTS I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL TODAY, AND THEY'RE ALL AROUND THE IDEA OF BIG SHIFTS IN THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT OUR PREVIOUS COUNCIL DECLARED. THE FIRST ONE IS AROUND NAH. I HAVE CONCERNS AROUND THE TIA THAT IS BEING DONE, AND THE TIA STANDS FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THE TIA BASICALLY MODELS OUT 20 YEARS AHEAD AND SAYS, WHAT IS THE DEMAND FOR ROAD CONGESTION AND CAR TRAVEL IN 20 YEARS? IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN FIVE, 10 YEARS, I'D BE IMPRESSED, BUT 20 YEARS OUT IS WHAT THEY MODEL AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS IN REGARDS TO CAR USE AND CAR GROWTH AND SO ON. THEN THEY REQUIRE THAT THAT BE ACCOMMODATED IN TODAY'S PLANS. THE TEAM'S WORKING ON THAT, AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING INTO ALTERNATIVES LIKE TRAFFIC DEMAND MANAGEMENT AND VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. BUT IT'S STILL VERY CAR CENTRIC, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRING NAH IN THE CITY TO BUILD PRETTY LARGE INTERSECTIONS AND ROADWAYS THAT ARE PRIMARILY THERE TO MOVE CARS. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE MODELING, THE INTERSECTIONS, THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL FOCUSED ON LEVELS OF SERVICE AS OUR PRIMARY GOAL IN MIND AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY EMBRACE VMT AND TDM VERY MUCH AS A CITY. I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL ROOTED IN OUR CODE, WHICH I'M GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO IN A MINUTE. ON THE TOPIC OF NAH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF A PUBLIC TRANSIT COMMITMENTS AND A PLAN, AND I KNOW THAT LONG TERM THEY'RE LOOKING AT A BALLOT INITIATIVE, BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMITMENT FROM NAH. I'M HOPING THAT YOU ALL, OUR COUNCIL, WILL HELP THEM MAKE THAT COMMITMENT. SOLAR PANELS WERE GREAT AND I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT. BUT AFTER DOING SOME DIGGING, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO COVER A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY BEING GENERATED BY NAH. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. THEN EV PARKING, THAT SHOULD BE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN 20 SPOTS. I WOULD SAY MORE LIKE 200, 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL PARKING. CODE ANALYSIS. THAT'S SOMETHING A PREVIOUS COUNCIL ASKED THE CITY TO DO. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ENGINEERING CODE STANDARDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORKED ON ARE NOT GOING TO BE DONE FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. THAT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP. THEN WITH THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PROTECTED INTERSECTIONS. AT A RECENT BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE LEARNED THAT UNTIL THE DESIGN IS AT 90 PERCENT, THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS BEING BUILT IN THIS CONSTRUCTION CYCLE. MY ASK TO YOU ALL IS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO LEADERSHIP AND TO STAFF TO DESIGN THOSE INTERSECTIONS AT 90 PERCENT THIS YEAR SO TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO BUILD THEM IN THIS CONSTRUCTION CYCLE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ADAM. I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS ONLINE. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS REVIEW OF DRAFT AGENDA FOR THE MAY 16, [5. Review of Draft Agenda for the May 16, 2023 City Council Meeting Citizens wishing to speak on agenda items not specifically called out by the City Council may submit a speaker card for their items of interest to the recording clerk.] 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING. DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA? [00:35:10] MOVING ON TO PROCLAMATIONS, [6. Proclamation: Provider Appreciation Day] THE FIRST BEING PROVIDER APPRECIATION DAY. IF COUNSEL CAN MEET ME DOWN FRONT, AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR PROVIDER APPRECIATION DAY, IF YOU COULD MEET US. [BACKGROUND] >> CHILD CARE AWARE OF AMERICA AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS NATIONWIDE ARE RECOGNIZING CHILD CARE PROVIDERS ON THIS DAY AND CHILD CARE PROVIDES A SAFE, NURTURING PLACE FOR THE ENRICHMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OF MILLIONS OF CHILDREN NATIONWIDE AND IS A VITAL FORCE IN OUR ECONOMY. THE PANDEMIC ILLUMINATED HOW INDISPENSABLE CHILD CARE PROVIDERS ARE FOR THE WELL-BEING AND ECONOMIC SECURITY OF ARIZONA'S YOUNG CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES. CHILD CARE PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE MOSTLY SMALL BUSINESSES, RUN AND STAFFED PREDOMINANTLY BY WOMEN, ARE STILL RECOVERING FROM HEALTH AND FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS STEMMING FROM THE PANDEMIC WHILE THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES. WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHILD CARE HAS BEEN A LIFELINE FOR FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES, AND THE ECONOMY, AND AS SUCH, HAS PROVIDED MUCH NEEDED SUPPORT TO PROVIDERS TO HELP SUSTAIN THE VIABILITY OF A CHILD. OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON THE QUALITY OF THE EARLY CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES PROVIDED TO YOUNG CHILDREN TODAY AND SUPPORT FOR HIGH-QUALITY CHILD CARE REPRESENTS A WORTHY COMMITMENT TO OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. NOW, THEREFORE, I, BECKY DAGGETT, MAYOR, FLAGSTAFF, HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 12, 2023 AS PROVIDER APPRECIATION DAY IN FLAGSTAFF AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE CHILD CARE PROVIDERS FOR THEIR IMPORTANT WORK. [APPLAUSE]. >> [BACKGROUND] PLEASE, SIR. >> MAYOR DAGGETT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING AND DOING THIS PROCLAMATION TODAY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I WORKED FOR CHILD CARE RESOURCE AND REFERRAL. THIS IS A STATEWIDE PROGRAM WHERE WE HELP FAMILIES FIND CHILD CARE THAT BEST FITS THEIR NEED, AND THERE'S A HUGE NEED AND ALWAYS A DEMAND IN ARIZONA IN FLAGSTAFF FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD, AND WHEN I SAY EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, I MEAN BIRTH TO FIVE. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. PROVIDERS DON'T GET ENOUGH APPRECIATION, RESOURCES OR RECOGNITION. I HOPE THIS WILL BE THE CHAPTER WHERE WE ALL CAN SHOW RESPECT, RECOGNITION, AND SUPPORT THOSE PROVIDERS THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF THE CHILDREN THAT'LL BE THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] [7. Proclamation: Mental Health Awareness Week] >> WILL YOU TALK TO SHARON ABOUT THAT? >> WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA? >> MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS WEEK. >> THANK YOU. >> IT'S MY HONOR TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS MENTAL HEALTH IS A PART OF OVERALL HEALTH AND WHEREAS MENTAL HEALTH HELPS TO SUSTAIN AN INDIVIDUAL'S THOUGHT PROCESSES, RELATIONSHIPS, PRODUCTIVITY AND ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CHANGE OR FACE ADVERSITY. AND WHEREAS MENTAL ILLNESS ADVERSELY AFFECTS THOSE ABILITIES AND OFTEN IS LIFE THREATENING IN NATURE. WHEREAS ONE IN FOUR ADULTS EXPERIENCES MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS IN ANY GIVEN YEAR AND SUCH PROBLEMS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO ONSET OF MENTAL ILLNESS, AND WHEREAS ONE IN 17 ADULTS LIVES WITH MENTAL ILLNESS SUCH AS MAJOR DEPRESSION, BIPOLAR DISORDER, OR SCHIZOPHRENIA. AND WHEREAS APPROXIMATELY ONE-HALF OF CHRONIC MENTAL ILLNESS BEGINS BY THE AGE OF 14 AND THREE-QUARTERS BY AGE 24. AND WHEREAS LONG DELAYS, SOMETIMES DECADES, OFTEN OCCUR BETWEEN THE TIME SYMPTOMS FIRST APPEAR AND WHEN INDIVIDUALS GET HELP. [00:40:04] WHEREAS EARLY IDENTIFICATION AND TREATMENT CAN MAKE A PROFOUND DIFFERENCE IN SUCCESSFUL MANAGEMENT OF MENTAL ILLNESS AND RECOVERY AND WHEREAS IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN MENTAL HEALTH AND LEARN THE SYMPTOMS OF MENTAL ILLNESS IN ORDER TO GET HELP WHEN IT IS NEEDED. WHEREAS EVERY CITIZEN AND COMMUNITY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HELPING END THE SILENCE AND STIGMA THAT FOR TOO LONG HAS SURROUNDED MENTAL ILLNESS AND DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM GETTING HELP. AND WHEREAS PUBLIC EDUCATION AND CIVIC ACTIVITIES CAN ENCOURAGE MENTAL HEALTH AND HELP IMPROVE THE LIVES OF INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES AFFECTED BY MENTAL ILLNESS. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT I, ON BEHALF OF BECKY DAGGETT, MAYOR OF FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY 2023 AS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH IN FLAGSTAFF TO INCREASE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF MENTAL HEALTH AND TO PROMOTE IDENTIFICATION AND TREATMENT OF MENTAL ILLNESS. I BELIEVE ACCEPTING THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF NAMI FLAGSTAFF ARE DINA ROSS AND ASHLYN EASILY WHO MAY BE ONLINE. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS. >> I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ONLINE WITH THOSE NAMES. >> WELL, THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE][BACKGROUND] >> CAN I GET OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM UP HERE? [8. Proclamation: National Economic Development Week] THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND]. >> COME ON UP. >> I'M HONORED TO READ THIS TODAY. I'M GOING TO START WHILE Y'ALL GET UP. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK EVERYONE AND ALL BUSINESSES THAT CHOOSE FLAGSTAFF, THE CITY OF INNOVATION TO BE THEIR HOME. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK PROVIDES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS A PLATFORM TO SHOWCASE THEIR COMMUNITY, THE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE TO THEIR LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRACTITIONERS WORK TO CREATE RESILIENT COMMUNITIES WITH RESILIENT ECONOMIES. CITY OF FLAGSTAFF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RELY UPON AREA PARTNERS AS CRITICAL TEAM MEMBERS WITH WHOM SUPPORT, TRUST, PRODUCTIVITY, AND INTEGRITY ARE FOSTERED EVERY DAY. THE NETWORK OF PARTNERS ENHANCES THE FLAGSTAFF EXPERIENCE FOR ALL. WE MAY ACKNOWLEDGE A FEW OF OUR TREMENDOUS PARTNERS, INCLUDING THE ECONOMIC COLLABORATIVE OF NORTHERN ARIZONA, MOONSHOT AT NACET, COCONINO COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE GREATER FLAGSTAFF CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE. THE PEOPLE OF FLAGSTAFF RELY UPON ALL FLAGSTAFF BUSINESSES FOR GOOD PAYING JOBS AND FOR PROVIDING GOODS AND SERVICES. NOW, THEREFORE, I ON BEHALF OF BECKY DAGGETT, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 8, 2023 THROUGH MAY 12, 2023 AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND] >> GRAB A PHOTO WHILE YOU ALL FIGHT AMONGST YOURSELVES. [LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING. >> I'D LIKE FOR THAT. THAT PICTURE THAT YOU WERE DOING. >> YEAH I DO TOO. [BACKGROUND] >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATIONS HERE. THAT'S GOING BE OKAY? >> YES, OF COURSE IT IS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> ONE MORE. [BACKGROUND] [9. Proclamation: National Travel and Tourism Week] >> HEIDI TRACE. THANK YOU. IT'S MY HONOR TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR FOR THE NATIONAL TRAVEL IN ECOTOURISM WEEK. WHEREAS NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK IS AN ANNUAL TRADITION PRESENTED BY THE US TRAVEL ASSOCIATION, THIS YEAR MARKS THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF CELEBRATING THE INDUSTRY'S CRITICAL ROLE EMPOWERING ECONOMICS, COMMUNITIES AND CONNECTIONS MOVING TRAVEL FORWARD. [00:45:04] EVERY CITIZEN BENEFITS FROM TRAVEL AND TOURISM AND THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY SUPPORTS NEARLY 20 MILLION AMERICAN JOBS AND IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF COMMUNITIES IN EVERY STATE. FLAGSTAFF, TOURISM SUPPORTS THOUSANDS OF JOBS, GENERATING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. ACCORDING TO THE ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY, TOURISM PROVIDES ECONOMIC STABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY WITH AN ANNUAL REAL TAX SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY $740 PER HOUSEHOLD AND THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY HAS A PROFOUND ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE UNITED STATES. THE US TRAVEL INDUSTRY GENERATES 2.6 TRILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT AND DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF HAS NUANCED THIS WEEK AS NATIONAL TRAVEL AND ECOTOURISM WEEK TO REFLECT OUR COMMUNITY'S VALUES. NOW, THEREFORE, I, ON BEHALF OF MAYOR BECKY DAGGETT, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA RECOGNIZES MAY 7 THROUGH 13, 2023 AS NATIONAL TRAVEL AND ECOTOURISM WEEK. [APPLAUSE] >> DOES ANYONE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? >> THERE IS A PRESENTATION. >> ALL RIGHT. [BACKGROUND] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 10, [10. National Travel and Tourism Week Update Provide an update about Discover Flagstaff and National Travel and Tourism Week. ] NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK UPDATE. >> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL TRACE WARD, DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF DIRECTOR. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK FOR JUST A MOMENT TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK VIA PROCLAMATION AT TODAY'S COUNCIL. ALLOW ME JUST TO PLAY A QUICK VIDEO AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS. I PROMISE TO MAKE IT QUICK. [MUSIC] NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1983 BY OUR FRIENDS AT US TRAVEL IN WASHINGTON DC. THE RECOGNITION CELEBRATES THE ESSENTIAL ROLE THAT THE VISITOR ECONOMY PLAYS GLOBALLY. APPROXIMATELY 8,000 JOBS, BOTH DIRECT AND INDIRECT, ARE CREATED HERE IN FLAGSTAFF DUE TO THE DEMANDS OF THE VISITOR ECONOMY. THIS DEMAND HELPS CREATE A VIBRANT BUSINESS LANDSCAPE FOR ALL TO ENJOY. MANY OF THE BUSINESSES PATRONIZED BY US DAY TO DAY WOULD NOT BE HERE WITHOUT THAT VISITOR DEMAND. OF COURSE, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH ALL SECTIONS OF THE ECONOMIC VITALITY DIVISION AND RECOGNIZE THAT A VISITOR CAN LEAD TO A LIFETIME OF COMMUNITY AND SERVICE HERE IN FLAGSTAFF. JUST LIKE US TRAVEL, WE DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF ALSO WANT TO CELEBRATE THE POSITIVE IMPACTS IT HAS FOR OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. LET'S SEE HERE. BUT JUST LIKE IN PAST YEARS, WE CELEBRATE THIS, BUT WE ALSO HOST A TOURISM SERVICE DAY EVERY YEAR. RE-REMIND ALL WHAT RESPONSIBLE VISITATION AND RESPECT FOR THE WILD LOOKS LIKE. HERE ARE A FEW STATISTICS THAT MAY LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU, $750 MILLION IN GREATER IMPACT FOR THE LOCAL ECONOMY, 8,000 JOBS. BBB IS AT 11.4 MILLION AT THE MOMENT ANNUAL COLLECTION, AND WE SAVE ABOUT $730-$40 [00:50:01] BASED ON ARIZONA OFFICER TOURISM STATS EVERY YEAR PER HOUSEHOLD. WE TAKE THE NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK AND WE TWIST A LITTLE BIT TO FLAGSTAFF, EYES IT AND MAKE IT NATIONAL TRAVEL AND ECO-TOURISM WEEK. THAT'S OUR LITTLE TWIST ON IT, BECAUSE WE KNOW OF THE VALUES IN THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME CREATIVE THAT'S AROUND THE DISCOVERY OF FLAGSTAFF APPROACH TO CELEBRATING THIS WEEK. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE HERE IS AWARE OR NOT, BUT DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF HAS ADOPTED THE LAST FEW MILES INTO THE CITY ON I-17 IN ADOPT A HIGHWAY WITH A DOT. I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T, I'M TELLING YOU THAT TODAY. WE GO OUT AND WE CLEAN THAT AREA OF THE HIGHWAY AND WE INVITE OTHERS TO JOIN US AND WE DO THAT PERIODICALLY. WE TRY TO DO IT ONCE A QUARTER OR SUCH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A CLEANUP DAY THAT'S TOMORROW, WEDNESDAY, MAY 10. I HOPE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU NOW THERE'S STILL TIME FOR YOU TO SIGN UP WITH US IF YOU'D LIKE. IF YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ANY OF THE DISCOVERY FLAGSTAFF TEAM MEMBERS MYSELF INCLUDED, WILL GET YOU SIGNED UP. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO MEET US TOMORROW. WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD JOIN THE GROUP. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. QUICK AND SWEET, AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY. >> THANK YOU TRACE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COUNCIL? >> REAL QUICK? I DO. >> OKAY. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. JUST QUICKLY TRACE. I APPRECIATE IT. CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHERE AND WHEN TO MEET UP IF WE'RE ABLE TO JOIN ME TOMORROW. >> SURE, IT'S AT 10:00 AM AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PARKING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MAVERIK. IS THAT THE GAS STATION? I'M GETTING THAT CORRECT? [BACKGROUND]. IT'S CHANGED IT'S 11:30 COME ON UP, MEG. IT'S OKAY. WE'RE ALL FRIENDS. IT'S TOMORROW AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEANING THE AREA RIGHT ON THE OVERPASS BY I-17. >> IF YOU PARK NEAR THE SWIFT AND PULLIAM AIRPORT, THERE'S A PULL OFF A PARKING AREA AND YOU'LL SEE OUR TEAM THERE WITH OUR YELLOW VEST READY TO WELCOME YOU, STARTS AT 11:30. MAYBE GET THERE A LITTLE BIT BEFOREHAND AND YOU'LL GET ALL THE APPROPRIATE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO A GREAT COMMUNITY CLEANUP. >> IS THERE ANY REFRESHMENTS? >> WONDERFUL I'D NOTICE THAT ALONG I-17 RIGHT THERE, A LOT OF TRASH GETS COLLECTED ON THE FENCES, BLOWS INTO THE FENCES AND IT'S A NETTING AND IT GETS STUCK THERE. GREAT AREA FOR THE ACTIVITY. >> ABSOLUTELY, AND HOPE YOU ALL CAN MAKE IT. FOLLOWING THE EVENT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET TOGETHER AT FLAG TAG AZ FOR SOME REFRESHMENTS AND SOME PIZZA. >> THANK YOU. I HAD NEEDED A LITTLE HELP WITH THAT ONE, SO THANK YOU, MEG. APPRECIATE IT. PLEASE JOIN US IF YOU'RE ABLE. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER A QUICK NOTE OF THANKS. YOU ALL WORK SO HARD FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT YOU. I JUST REALLY ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE, APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK, KEEPING FLAGSTAFF TOP OF MIND AND WORKING HARD FOR US. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET THAT MEANS THE WORLD TO US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> ITEM NUMBER 11 IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK 2023. [11. Economic Development Week 2023 Awareness of Economic Development Week 2023, related activities and opportunities to participate in engaging the community on the topic of economic development and related local efforts.] >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR DAGGETT, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, I'M JOHN SALTONSTALL BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF. HERE WITH THE TEAM TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK. I JUST WANT TO SAY A QUICK THANK YOU FOR THAT PROCLAMATION. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT. TODAY I'M HERE WITH A FEW COLLEAGUES TO CELEBRATE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK 2023. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A QUICK INTRODUCTION. I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO MR. JACK FITCHETT, OUR BUSINESS ATTRACTION MANAGER, AND THEN HE'LL HAND IT OFF TO MS. DIANA WHITE AND FOLLOW UP WITH GAIL JACKSON. AS YOU HEARD IN THE PROCLAMATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS. WE LEAN HEAVILY ON OUR PARTNER AND THEY ON US TO DO A LOT OF WORK. THAT'S REALLY BETS ON THESE PARTNERSHIPS TO GET THINGS DONE. WOULD THAT IT IS ALL ABOUT THESE PRACTITIONERS WHO ARE BRINGING THIS PRACTICE OF INTENTIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY. [00:55:03] JUST BEFORE I HAND IT OFF TO JACK, I WANT TO MENTION ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEKEND. WE HAD OUR INNOVATE WASTE CARBON NEUTRALITY CHALLENGE UP AT MOONSHOT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT IN THIS ROOM AND VICE MAYOR ASLAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE. WE WERE ABLE TO AWARD A REALLY UNIQUE BUSINESS THAT CAME OUT OF THE FOUR CORNERS CARBON COALITION. THAT'S BRINGING TOGETHER FOLKS HERE IN FLAGSTAFF, BLOCK LIGHT AND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. BLOCK LIGHT'S, PLANNING ON CREATING THESE ULTRA LOW CARBON CONCRETE BLOCKS THAT WILL THEN BE USED BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO DELIVER BETWEEN 50 AND 100 VERY AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT ARE SUSTAINABLY BUILT. WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THAT VENTURE IS GOING TO DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TO ENHANCE OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JACK, MR. JACK FITCHETT. >> THANKS JOHN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL JACK FITCHETT YOUR BUSINESS ATTRACTION MANAGER. UP ON THE SCREEN HERE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED OUT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK. I WOULD SAY THAT MAY 11TH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE MOST FUN BECAUSE YOU'LL GET TO HANG OUT WITH THE HANDS THAT ARE YOUR ED TEAM AND SOME OF THE LOVELY LADIES THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE HERE IN A MOMENT. ALSO REAL QUICKLY, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT TWO QUICK THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PAST WEEKEND. THEY CHOOSE FLAGSTAFF WEBSITE GOT A MAJOR OVERHAUL. I'LL JUST TAKE A QUICK SECOND TO SHOW YOU THAT. THIS IS THE WEBSITE AND HOW IT LOOKS NOW. LOTS OF GREAT INFORMATION FOR EXISTING AND NEW BUSINESSES, ENTREPRENEURS, START-UPS, ETC. THAT WAS LED BY OUR VERY OWN CRAIG ZANETCO. HE WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THAT AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE LAUNCHED THIS. WE ARE OBVIOUSLY STILL POLISHING THAT, SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE, PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK, WE'D BE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FINAL VERSION, BUT THIS IS LIVE AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. THEN QUICKLY, ON THAT SAME NOTE, THE BUSINESS ONE-STOP SHOP THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SHOULD BE LIVE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. THAT'LL BE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO AND WE'LL TRY TO GET BACK IN FRONT OF YOU VERY QUICKLY AFTER THAT OCCURS. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE DIANA WHITE. >> I KNOW I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS, BUT I'M REALLY NERVOUS. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS YOU KNOW, MOONSHOT@NACET HAS A LONGSTANDING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF. I STARTED MY TENURE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN MARCH OF 2022. IN THAT TIME I HAVE ENHANCED CAMPUS OPERATIONS AND DEVELOPED A STRATEGY FOR MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. PART OF THAT STRATEGY IS PROMOTING OUR OWN ANGELA HAMBY WHO'S HERE WITH ME TONIGHT AND SUPPORT. HER NEW ROLE IS DIRECTOR OF EVENTS AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE HAVE STRONG COLLABORATIONS WITH COCONINO'S SBDC LOCAL FIRST AND THEN AU. I ALSO REPRESENT NACET BY BEING A MEMBER OF SEVERAL KEY BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, INCLUDING ECONA, THE AFRICAN DIASPORA ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THE COCONINO COUNTY WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD. I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME SUCCESS STORIES FROM THE NACET CAMPUS. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT OCTOBER OF 2022 TO MARCH OF 2023. IN THAT TIME, WE HAD THREE NACET COMPANIES THAT RECEIVED OVER 7,000 IN OUR FUNDING. WE HAVE STARTED OUR IN-PERSON WORKSHOPS AGAIN ON CAMPUS, WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT SUCCESS WITH ATTENDANCE ON THOSE. THAT ALSO INCLUDES OUR WOMEN BUSINESS, WHICH IS OUR WOMEN'S TRACK, OUR WOMEN'S BUSINESS PROGRAM. WE HAD OUR PITCH EVENT, AS JOHN MENTIONED, AND ALTHOUGH HE TALKED ABOUT THE INNOVATE WASTE CARBON NEUTRALITY CHALLENGE, WE ALSO HAD SEVERAL LOCAL COMPANIES PITCH AND WHEN AS WELL ON THE NACET SIDE. THERE WERE SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS FROM THAT. IN TERMS OF STATS, FROM OCTOBER OF 2022 TO MARCH OF 2023, OCCUPANCY IS OVER 70%. WE HAVE HAD OUR COMPANIES GET $5.6 MILLION IN FUNDING. THEY'VE GENERATED $6.4 MILLION IN REVENUE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN 437 JOBS EITHER CREATED OR RETAINED. WE PUT THEM IN ONE UMBRELLA TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET. I WANT TO CLOSE WITH LEAVING THE NOTES THAT I HAVE HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A COMMUNITY EFFORT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MY FOCUS WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE CAMPUS OPERATIONS WERE SOUND, SO THAT WE CAN THEN GET INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BECOME A COLLECTIVE. [01:00:02] I HOPE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, AND I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU. >> GAIL JACKSON. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M GAIL JACKSON. I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ECONA. HAPPY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEEK TO ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRACTITIONERS WORKING TO IMPACT THE SUCCESS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA, FROM BUSINESS ATTRACTION AND RETENTION TO WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, EMPLOYER HOUSING, AND POLICY INITIATIVES. LAST NIGHT WE CELEBRATED WITH THE FLAGSTAFF WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP NETWORK. WE HAD MCKENZIE ROGERS, WHO WAS A DIRECTOR OF TRANSMISSION, TELL HER STORY. SHE WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALL OF US ABOUT BEING A WOMAN IN A PREDOMINANTLY MALE INDUSTRY AND THE IMPACT THAT UTILITIES HAVE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS REALLY GOOD WAY TO KICK OFF OUR WEEK. BUT OUR MISSION AT ECONA IS WITH OUR PARTNERS, WE PROVIDE QUALITY ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE ITEMS, SOME OF THE BIG ITEMS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WINSLOW, WE HAVE A 1,200 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL LAND WHERE THEY ARE LOOKING TO BE INNOVATIVE AND RELEASE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE OFF OF THE LONG BEACH PORT BY CREATING THE FIRST OF ITS KIND INLAND PORT. THIS WILL PROVIDE MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET FOR WAREHOUSING AND MANUFACTURING, MANY JOBS, ACCESS TO RAIL, MAJOR INTERSTATES, AND REVITALIZATION OF AN UNDERUTILIZED AIRPORT. IT WILL ALSO BRING NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS INCREDIBLY NEEDED IN THIS REGION. IN CAMP VERDE, THEY ARE STILL CELEBRATING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF FRAMETEC, A MANUFACTURER AND FRAMING SERVICE COMPANY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED LATE LAST YEAR THAT THEY HAVE COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF ITS ROOF AND FLOOR TRUSS AND WALL PANEL MANUFACTURING FACILITY. IT'LL BE 110,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT WILL BE FULLY OPERATIONAL BY SPRING OF 2024. IT'S GOING TO CREATE OVER 180 JOBS, JUST 45-MINUTES SOUTH. FLAGSTAFF, OBVIOUSLY, THE NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE'S WELLNESS VILLAGE WILL BE TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR OUR REGION, BOTH FIGURATIVELY, AND IT WILL BE GREAT FOR THE HEALTH OF THE ECONOMY, FOR OUR PEOPLE AS WELL AS OUR BUSINESSES. SEDONA HAS BEEN WORKING ON AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN LOOKING AT LOW-WAGE, HIGH-IMPACT JOBS FOR THAT PLACE AS WELL. SPEAKING OF STRATEGIC PLANS, ECONA IS WORKING ON ITS FIRST EVER PLAN FOR OUR REGION. WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS TO YOU GUYS SOON, BUT IT'LL HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL TIE ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES IN OUR REGION TOGETHER. WE'RE LOOKING AT SECTOR DEVELOPMENT, IDENTIFYING AND RE-EVALUATING THE ECONOMIC SECTORS WITHIN OUR REGION. WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE CONDUCTING A LABOR ANALYSIS. WHAT DOES THE REGIONAL WORKFORCE NEED BY THE SECTORS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE REPRESENTED? WORKFORCE HOUSING ANALYSIS, WE'RE LOOKING TO IDENTIFY TANGIBLE GOALS THAT ECONA CAN COLLECTIVELY RALLY AROUND TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY IN OUR REGION. BECAUSE THAT'S CRITICAL TO GROWTH. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT GROWTH AREAS AND AREAS THAT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE. IF THEY DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE IT VIABLE. TO WRAP THIS UP, AS OF APRIL 1ST, WE'VE RESPONDED TO OVER 24 BUSINESS INCREASE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN COMING INTO OUR REGION. EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT OF THEM ARE IN THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR. NORTHERN ARIZONA CONTINUES TO BE A PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES WANT TO BE. AS WE CELEBRATE OUR PRACTITIONERS, EACH ONE OF YOU ALSO PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN THIS PROCESS. YOU SHOULD EACH PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK FOR YOUR ROLE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING HIGH WAGE, LOW IMPACT JOBS TO NORTHERN ARIZONA TO ENSURE THAT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE STAYS HIGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, GAIL. >> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS? >> COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MATHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT IT'S EXCITING TO HEAR ALL THE NEW INDUSTRY AND THE ECONOMIC VITALITY THAT IS STIMULATED HERE. HOUSING, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS A BIG ISSUE IN FLAGSTAFF. PART OF THAT SOLUTION HAS GOT TO BE MORE COMPETITION AMONGST ALL THE WAGE-EARNERS, WHETHER IT'S A LOWER WAGE OR A MORE PROFESSIONAL WAGE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS THAT OUR TOWN IN DIFFERENT AGENCIES HAVE IN GROUPS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY HERE HERE TO MRS. MATTHEWS COMMENTS. [01:05:03] I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I'M ACTUALLY AMAZED AT ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT HEIDI AND ALL OF HER FRIENDS HAVE BEEN DOING. THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I GOT TO LAUGH HEIDI ON THAT ONE. [LAUGHTER] BUT HEIDI, I THINK YOU'RE THE CORE OF THE LEADERSHIP OF ALL THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF LEADERS, BUT SOMEHOW, I JUST THANK YOU IN PARTICULAR. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME. I APPRECIATE IT, BUT MY FRIENDS ARE ACTUALLY SOME OF THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE I'VE EVER WORKED WITH SO I FEEL BLESSED TO BE PART OF THIS DIVISION. THANK YOU. >> I THINK THE WORD IS TEAMWORK. >> YES. >> VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. HEY, JOHN GETS TO SEE UP THERE. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS STRUGGLING WITH WHETHER OR NOT TO SAY SOMETHING HERE OR NOT. I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ABOUT TO HINT AT. HELP ME OUT. I'M VERY EXCITED, AND I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT CAME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. IT FEELS VERY SYNERGISTIC TO MENTION SOMETHING HERE. I ACTUALLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. I'M JUST HINTING AT ONE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION JOHN AND I HELPED FACILITATE A CONVERSATION THIS WEEK WITH BLOCK LIGHT AND BETWEEN BLOCK LIGHT AND NAH. I THINK AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR SOME PROGRESS REPORT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE ON THAT TOPIC SOMETIME SOON. IT'LL CERTAINLY COME UP NEXT WEEK. BUT I KNOW THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT CARBON CAPTURING CINDERS HAS BEEN COMING UP IN PUBLIC DISCOURSE WITH RESPECT TO THE HOSPITAL. YOU SHOULD ALL BE WELL AWARE BY NOW THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UTILIZING AND CHAMPIONING NEW MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. THERE'S SOME REALLY EXCITING POSSIBILITIES OF FOOT AND PROUD OF THE ROLE THAT I HAD TO PLAY IN THAT I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR TEAM, JOHN AND NICOLE AS WELL. WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH NAH, GAIL MENTIONED SOMETHING IN TERMS OF THE AFFIRMATIVE. I THINK IT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR UNTIL WE VOTE MAKE A DECISION. BUT THERE ARE VERY GOOD STEPS FORWARD BEING MADE IN PARTNERSHIPS BEING PRODUCED. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY IS THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARING WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY AND WHAT THE PUBLIC IS DEMANDING, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NAVIGATING FORWARD WITH PROGRESS ON THESE TOPICS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE PUBLIC, AND WE'RE GIVING THEM DUE DILIGENCE. I'M EXCITED TO SAY MORE ABOUT THAT SOMETIME SOON. JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAP DANCE ON THAT LINE WITH ME A LITTLE BIT HERE TOO, BUT PARTIALLY IT COMES OUT OF THE YOU MENTIONED THE NESET, INNOVATE WASTE CHALLENGE AND BEING A JUDGE IN THAT BLOCK LIGHTS PRESENTATION WAS INCREDIBLE. THE PARTNERSHIP THEY HAVE WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT. THESE NEW CINDER BLOCK TECHNOLOGIES ARE COMING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE FOUR CORNERS CARBON COALITION, WHICH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, UNDER OUR DIRECTION COUNCIL HAS JOINED AND WE'RE BEING VERY DELIBERATIVE WITH TRYING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON ALL THESE FRONTS, ESPECIALLY WITH MATERIALS, TECHNOLOGY, AND CARBON REDUCTION STRATEGIES. JOHN. >> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. VICE MAYOR. BLOCK LIGHT IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF THE WINNING TEAM FOR THIS INNOVATE WASTE CARBON NEUTRALITY CHALLENGE. IF YOU EVER GET THE CHANCE TO RUN INTO MR. RYAN ROSS, IT'S A THIRD-GENERATION FAMILY AND HE WILL SAY THAT THEY ARE FLYING UNDER THE RADAR WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY DO. THEY'RE POWERED 100% BY SOLAR. THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH DIRECT AIR CAPTURE TECHNIQUES TO TAKE CARBON RIGHT OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE, AND PUT IT INTO THEIR CONCRETE BLOCKS. IT CREATES A MUCH STRONGER BLOCK. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY MUCH MORE BECAUSE I DON'T MAKE BLOCKS [LAUGHTER] AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE SCIENCE OF IT, BUT IT'S VERY PROMISING. IT'S SUPER EXCITING. IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN FLAGSTAFF. ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS WITH THE BLOCK TECHNOLOGY COMING OUT OF BLOCK LIGHT HAS A MUCH SMALLER CARBON FOOTPRINT IN TERMS OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. REALLY FOR BEING UNDER THE RADAR, [01:10:02] THEY'RE HAVING A VERY LARGE IMPACT AND THEY'RE REALLY CHECKING ALL THE BOXES JUST BECAUSE OF HOW THEY DO THE WORK THAT THEY DO. IT'S SUPER EXCITING AND IT THINK IT HAS POTENTIAL TO BE TO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON THE HOSPITAL AMONG OTHERS. >> TWO THINGS THERE TO TAG TEAM WITH YOU JOHN. BLOCK LIGHT IS THIRD-GENERATION, BUT IT'S ALSO LOCAL. IT'S A LOCAL FAMILY OPERATION WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THEY SOURCE THEIR MATERIAL IS LOCALLY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT JOHN WAS SAYING WHEN HE MENTIONED LOW VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED FOR JUST THE PRODUCTION OF MATERIALS, BUT ALSO THE TECHNOLOGY CAPTURES CARBON DIRECTLY OUT OF THE AIR IN THE PRODUCTION OF THE BLOCKS. THOSE BLOCKS ARE PARTICULARLY MADE TO BE SPONGES FOR CAPTURING MORE CARBON ONE THEY'RE PRODUCED. REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING STUFF. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE NUMBERS ON HOW IT REDUCES FOOTPRINTS, BUT IT IS A NECESSITY MOVING FORWARD. THIS TECHNOLOGY EXISTS, IT'S LOCAL. WE SHOULD NEVER NOT USE IT FOR ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEING DONE HERE IN THE FLAGSTAFF AREA AND THE NORTHERN ARIZONA REGION. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE A PART OF NOT OUTSOURCING MAY BE BUT JUST A HORIZONTAL LEARNING AND PROMOTING THESE TYPES OF MATERIAL UPGRADES AND EFFICIENCIES AROUND THE STATE, AROUND THE COUNTRY, AROUND THE WORLD. WE CAN START MAKING CEMENT AND CENTER A PART OF THE SOLUTION TO THE CARBON PROBLEM. INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST CULPRITS OF CARBON PRODUCTION. I THINK CEMENT PRODUCTION ACCOUNTS FOR 11% GLOBALLY OF ALL OF THE LEGACY CARBON FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU JOHN. I APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. STAFF, I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION. YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL TEAM AND I KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK AND THEN HOW MANY DIFFERENT AREAS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU'VE REALLY GOT YOUR FINGERS IN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. TO DIANA AND TO GAIL, I WOULD JUST SHOUT OUT AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH STRONG PARTNERS BECAUSE ALL OF [APPLAUSE] THESE SUCCESS IN NORTHERN ARIZONA TAKES THIS STRONG POSITIVE PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. I'LL JUST TAG ON TO WHAT YOU JUST SHARED. I WANTED TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS. WHITE SHARED JUST ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ANGELA ON YOUR NEW TITLE, BUT I JUST LOVED THE AMOUNT OF PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION AND GOOD NEIGHBORLINESS THAT YOU BRING TO YOUR ROLES AND ENGAGING IN THAT LEVEL OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT FORMS OF COLLABORATION FOR THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY WORTH HIGHLIGHTING. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THAT AREA AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO MOUNTAIN LINE, UPDATE. [12. Mountain Line Update to City Council Discussion Only] WELCOME, MOUNTAIN LINE. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, I'M HEATHER DALMOLIN SERVING AS MOUNTAIN LINES CEO AND GENERAL MANAGER. I'M REALLY PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR PROGRAMS, OUR FUNDING, AND OUR POTENTIAL FUTURE. WE WERE ASKED BY CITY STAFF TO COME TONIGHT AND WE APPRECIATE THE INVITATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THIS VALUABLE UPDATE. FIRST WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE NOW WITH OUR CURRENT FINANCES, OUR FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET. SOMETHING HAPPENED. [LAUGHTER] JUST GO RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. >> THERE WE GO >> I NEED A SIMPLE CLICKER. WHEN WE PREPARE OUR BUDGET AND BRING IT TO CITY STAFF [01:15:04] BECAUSE THE CITY IS A MAJOR FUNDER FOR OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES. WE ALWAYS LOOK FIRST AT WHAT ARE WE DOING HISTORICALLY SO WHAT IS OUR CURRENT PERFORMANCE? I HAVE A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS FOR YOU HERE, A FIXED ROUTE, OUR BUS SYSTEM, THE BIG BLUE BUSES, OUR RIDERSHIP CONTINUES TO GROW IN A VERY STRONG WAY, RIDERSHIP IS ACTUALLY UP BY 20%, WITH OUR COST REMAINING RELATIVELY FLAT AND SO THAT COST PER PASSENGER DECLINES AS THE PASSENGERS INCREASE. ON OUR PARA-TRANSIT SIDE, WHICH IS THE SMALLER VEHICLES PROVIDING THAT DOOR-TO-DOOR AND CURB TO CURB SERVICE FOR SO MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE CONTINUE TO SEE SOME RESTRICTIONS AS A RESULT OF COVID. WE'VE HAD SOME CONTRACTS THAT REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE ON THOSE VEHICLES AND OTHER THINGS. HOWEVER, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE COST OF THAT PROGRAM BY SHARING RESOURCES ACROSS PARA TRANSIT AND MICRO TRANSIT AND ALSO WITH OUR TAXI PROGRAM. WE DON'T OPERATE TAXI SERVICES, BUT WE PROVIDE VOUCHERS TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS SO THAT THEY COULD CHOOSE TO USE A TAXI FOR MORE INDIVIDUALIZED SERVICES WHEN NECESSARY. FOR EXAMPLE A CUSTOMER WHO HAS GONE TO KIDNEY DIALYSIS MAY NOT WANT TO GET ON A SHARED RIDE VEHICLE THAT CAN TAKE UP TO AN HOUR TO GET YOU HOME AND SO WE PROVIDE THESE TAXI VOUCHERS TO PROVIDE THEM THAT TRIP HOME IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS THEIR NEEDS. OUR GENERAL BUDGET, REALLY THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR GENERAL BUDGET COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS IS A LARGE SEGMENT OF OUR BUDGET. WE DO LOOK AT NOT JUST THE CURRENT YEAR OR THE FUTURE YEAR, BUT IS IT SUSTAINABLE FOR 10 YEARS AS WE MAKE DECISIONS AROUND THOSE THINGS. WE DO SEE IN INFLATION AND COMPENSATION, WE'RE AFFECTED BY THE FLAGSTAFF MINIMUM WAGE, AS ARE SO MANY BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY. MORE THAN 75% OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING IN THAT LOWEST BRACKET OF INCOME EARNINGS. THEY ARE DRIVERS, THEY'RE BUS DO TELLERS, THEY ARE MECHANICS. WE'VE WORKED HARD TO BECOME COMPETITIVE IN OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN OUR DRIVING STAFF. THERE IS NATIONWIDE AND ISSUE A CDL EMPLOYEES THAT PURSUES CDL JOBS AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CDL JOBS AND AGAIN, WE NEED 55 CDL OPERATORS TO PERFORM OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES, SO WE'VE WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE OUR WAGES REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN THAT MARKET. OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS REALLY BASED ON CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS, SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY IS REALLY WHAT OUR BUDGET IS PROJECTED TO CONTINUE TO DO IN FUTURE YEARS AND IN A FEW MOMENTS BUSY IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION, OUR FIVE-YEAR TRANSIT PLAN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE. BUT OUR CURRENT BUDGET AS PROPOSED, REALLY FOCUSES ON THE SAME SERVICE LEVELS. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN ONGOING FOR MANY YEARS. THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, WHICH BEN AND HELLEN TALKED ABOUT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. WE DO HAVE AN AGING FLEET THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ATTEMPTING TO REPLACE WITH ZERO EMISSION BUSES AS WE REPLACE THEM AT END-OF-LIFE. THAT DOES REQUIRE ELECTRIFICATION INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BUS STOPS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE THE FULL AMENITIES AT THEM AND THERE'S A NEED TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THOSE BUS STOP LOCATIONS AND AMENITIES. NARROWING MORE INTO OUR COMPENSATION, OUR COST IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY 215,000 AND THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO A PAY PLAN AND A COMPENSATION STUDY. SORRY, PAY PLAN DOES OFFER OUR EMPLOYEES A REOCCURRING WAGE INCREASE. IT'S 4.5% FOR A FAMILY OF EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE A TENURE DEFINED STEP PLAN, MEANING DAY ONE TO THE END OF 10 YEARS, THEY HAVE A DEFINED MOVEMENT THROUGH PAY. IF THEY STAY 11 YEARS, THEY TOPPED OUT AT 10 YEARS. THEN WE HAVE 3% GROWTH FOR EMPLOYEES IN OPEN RANGES. THE STEP PLAN IS USED FOR OUR DRIVERS AND THE POSITIONS AROUND THOSE AS THEY CAN DEVELOP OUT OF AND FURTHER INTO. THEN WE DO INCLUDE A COMPENSATION MARKET ADJUSTMENT. CURRENTLY, WE'RE STILL ON THE PROGRESS OF LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT DID THE CITY DO, WHAT DID OUR COUNTY PARTNER DO? WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE'VE INCLUDED CAPACITY FOR MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AS THAT STUDY IS COMPLETE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE OUR BENEFITS. ALTHOUGH THE BENEFIT PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED, MOUNTAIN LINE DOES PARTICIPATE IN THE NORTHERN ARIZONA PUBLIC EMPLOYEE BENEFITS TRUST, THE SAME AS THE CITY AND COCONINO COUNTY, BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING WE MAKE A CHANGE IN HOW WE SHARE THAT COST WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. [01:20:05] CURRENTLY, WE OFFER A LOWER BENEFIT IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF OFFERS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR THOSE DEPENDENT PLANS AND PROGRAMS AND OUR PROGRAM WE ARE RECOMMENDING WOULD BECOME COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. THAT IS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE ARE ALTERING EMPLOYEE PAY BY SAVING THEM THOSE TAKE-HOME DOLLARS. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR OVERALL BUDGET, THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS THAT ARE THE GREATEST SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BUDGET INCREASE. WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR VEHICLES FOR OUR SERVICE, AND THOSE VEHICLES REQUIRE PARTS AND SUPPLIES FOR MAINTENANCE AND JUST REOCCURRING SERVICES AND THEN THE FUEL THAT GOES IN THOSE VEHICLES. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE IMPACTED BY THE CHANGES IN THE MARKET. INSURANCE, WE CONTINUE TO SEE INSURANCE INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY SO PUBLIC TRANSIT, LIKE ALL OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES, HAS STRUGGLES IN GETTING OUR LIABILITY COVERAGE. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT FOR US. OUR TOTAL INSURANCE PROGRAM HAS GROWN BY ALMOST 300% IN FIVE YEARS. MOST OTHER AREAS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE BAR AND REALLY IN THE GRAY BAR, WHICH IS A LITTLE HARD TO READ ON THE SCREEN, BUT THOSE WERE RELATIVELY FLAT. THE INCREASED CATEGORIES IS THAT ORANGE SECTION. FROM THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WE REQUEST TRANSIT TAX DOLLARS TO CLOSE THE GAP ON WHAT WE GET IN FEDERAL FUNDS AND FAIRS FOR BOTH OPERATING AND CAPITAL. THAT IS IN ORANGE ON THE SLIDE NOW. YOU CAN SEE AS WE LOOK AT '23, WE'RE PROJECTED TO COME IN SLIGHTLY UNDER BUDGET. THAT IS BECAUSE WE'VE DEFERRED SOME CAPITAL TO NEXT YEAR. WE DIDN'T MAKE THE PROGRESS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD AND SO THIS WILL BE CARRIED OVER INTO NEXT YEAR. THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR NEXT YEAR'S REQUEST IN 2024 IS STILL SLIGHTLY BELOW OUR 2023. BUT IT IS CONTAINING THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS WE'VE CARRIED OVER. THE LAST THING WE LOOK AT WITH THE CITY WHEN WE TALK AT ABROAD OUR BUDGET IS THE FUND BALANCE. THIS IS NOT A FUND BALANCE THAT MOUNTAIN LINE HOLDS, BUT IT IS THE FUND BALANCE OF THE TRANSIT TAX THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY IS A FIDUCIARY FOR. WE LOOK AT TWO THINGS. ARE WE ABOVE OUR FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT AND OUR BOARD SET A 25% FUND BALANCE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF ASK OF US. THEN WE LOOK AT THE TREND. YOU CAN SEE HERE WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DIP IN THAT FUND BALANCE, BETWEEN '23 AND '24, THAT SAYS CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE ARE PROJECTING TO COMPLETE THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, WHICH IS A $36 MILLION PROJECT IN 2024. A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT IS COMING FROM FEDERAL MONEY, BUT THERE ARE LOCAL MONIES THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT PROJECT. THEN IN '27-'28, THERE IS ANOTHER STEP DOWN IN THAT FUND BALANCE. THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO PHASE 2 OF THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTERS. THAT'S POST-RIO TO FLAG WHEN WE ACTUALLY BUILD THE BUS BAYS. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING AS BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE'RE AT FINANCIALLY BEFORE WE SWITCH OVER TO BUSY AND TALK ABOUT THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND WHAT THAT CONTAINS IN THAT PROCESS. THEN WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE WITH FUNDING. WITH THAT, I'LL STOP BRIEFLY AND JUST SEE IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BEFORE WE SWITCH. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. HI, EVERYONE. I WAS AND MAYBE HEADED ON THE SLIDE AND I DIDN'T SEE IT. WELL, TWO THINGS, I KNOW THIS WASN'T ON THE SLIDES. ON THE RIDERSHIP, I KNOW HOW MANY BUS ROUTES WE HAVE, BUT HOW MANY TRIPS DO WE DO A DAY WITH ALL COLLECTIVE, ALL THE ROUTES? >> I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURE BY DAY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I ONLY HAVE THE FIGURE AS A TOTAL. WE HAVE TOTAL RIDERSHIP AND THEN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE BUS MAKE A TRIP IN TOWN ON EACH ROUTE? >> JUST TO DO THE MATH ON THE RIDERSHIP IS X.X NUMBER. >> YEAH. >> BUT HOW MANY DOES THAT EQUATE AND THEN WHAT IS THE NUMBER FOR RIDERSHIP ON SERVING NAU? >> LET ME ASK BUSY. I DON'T HAVE THOSE FIGURES READILY AVAILABLE. >> HI, BUSY. >> HI. CAN YOU SAY THE QUESTION AGAIN? >> HOW MANY TOTAL TRIPS A DAY DO WE PROVIDE ACROSS ALL THE ROUTES? >> I'M TRYING TO PULL UP, NICE. OUR DCC PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE SAYS BECAUSE ALL OF OUR BUSES COME INTO THE DCC AND I WANT TO SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD 500, [01:25:01] BUT I'M QUICKLY TRYING TO SCROLL THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF JACKIE HAS IT PULLED UP. LET'S SEE. WE CAN FOLLOW UP. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE THAT IMMEDIATELY. THE SECOND ITEM? >> THEN THE SECOND ITEM WAS IN THAT OVERALL NUMBER, HOW MANY RIDERS ARE NAU STUDENTS OR STILL IN NAU? >> GOT YOU. WE DON'T KNOW OUR UNIQUE RIDERS AND WHAT THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY. LIKE ARE THEY NAU STUDENTS? WE KNOW HOW MANY RIDERS ARE ON THE ROUTE 10, WHICH SERVES NAU. THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 50% OF OUR RIDERSHIP SYSTEM-WIDE WHEN NAU IS IN SERVICE. >> THEN LASTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL WANT TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I'D FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR CITY TAXI SERVICE THAT MOUNTAIN LINE PROVIDES. YOU MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO A GROUP TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IF THEY HAVE A HEALTH ISSUE. HOW OFTEN IS THAT RUN DAILY AND MAINLY PEOPLE WITH HEALTH ISSUES? >> WE DON'T RESTRICT WHO OR WHAT PURPOSE THEY USE THOSE TAXI TRIPS FOR. YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR PARATRANSIT SERVICE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAXI PROGRAM. THERE'S AN ELIGIBILITY PROCESS FOR THE PARATRANSIT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THE FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM. IT CAN BE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. IT ALSO CAN BE A VARIETY OF CONDITIONS. THEN ONCE YOU QUALIFY FOR THAT, YOU QUALIFY FOR THE TAXI PROGRAM ITSELF. WE DON'T RESTRICT WHEN THEY USE, HOW MANY THEY USE, HOW MANY TRIPS THEY MAKE, BUT THEY DO ONLY RECEIVE A VALUE OF UP TO $300 PER MONTH. THAT'S FEDERALLY FUNDED AND THE CITY MATCHES THAT GRANT. >> JUST TO FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. IF I HAD TO DO SOME FOLLOW-UP FOR MEDICAL ISSUE AND IT WAS ONLY GOING TO LAST A MONTH OR SO, COULD I APPLY FOR THE PARATRANSIT PASSES DURING THAT SHORT-TERM PERIOD THAT I HAD TO SEEK MEDICAL SERVICES? >> YES, MA'AM. WE QUALIFY A VARIETY OF CUSTOMERS ON THE PARATRANSIT SYSTEM, EVERYTHING FROM SHORT-TERM TO LONG-TERM. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COUNCIL MEMBER, HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS JUST WONDERING. YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT WENT OVER SOME OF THE ANTICIPATED INCREASES WITH INSURANCE AND PARTS REPLACEMENT. I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATIONS OR THOUGHTS ON THE SHIFT IN THOSE INCREASES ARE THOSE COSTS WITH THE ELECTRIFICATION OF THE FLEET OR THE SHIFT TOWARDS THOSE ZERO WASTE REPLACEMENTS? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO TRANSITION TO ZERO-EMISSION BUSES, WE ACTUALLY DID A PLAN AND A STUDY. THAT STUDY IDENTIFIED THAT THE CHANGE FROM OUR CURRENT HYBRID VEHICLES OVER TO ZERO-EMISSION ELECTRIC VEHICLES WOULD REDUCE OUR MAINTENANCE COST BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MOVING PARTS TO BE MAINTAINED OTHER THINGS. THE CHALLENGE OF ZERO EMISSION FLEET WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST, IS THE ACTUAL COST TO CHARGE THE VEHICLES. IT'S NOT A DIRECT OFFSET. BUT YES, AS WE PUT IN ZERO-EMISSION VEHICLES, WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN PARTS AND SUPPLIES AND MAINTENANCE COST. WE WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN THE COST TO CHARGE THOSE VEHICLES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN AN NAU AND MOUNTAIN LINE AND HOW THAT WORKS FUNDING WISE AND JUST THE LOGISTICS OF THE ROUTE? >> THE ROUTE WAS ENVISIONED AND PLANS IN 2009 AND IT WAS DONE THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY AND MOUNTAIN LINE. WE PURSUED A FEDERAL GRANT UNDER A PROGRAM CALLED VERY SMALL STARTS. THAT MONEY WAS USED TO DESIGN, DEVELOP, AND BUILD ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT THAT ROUTE, INCLUDING THE PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLES THROUGH THE INGREDIENT DEVELOPED DURING THAT TIME, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY CONTRIBUTED 10% OF THE LOCAL MATCH NEEDED FOR THE CAPITAL, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF PROVIDING THE OTHER 10% AND OF COURSE, FEDERAL FUNDS USED FOR THE 80%. THE AGREEMENT AT THE TIME IS THAT NAU WOULD PAY NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE ROUTE COST. WE'RE ABLE TO SAY X NUMBER OF HOURS ARE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE OPERATION OF ROUTE 10, AND SO WE CAN CALCULATE WHAT ROUTE 10 SPECIFICALLY COST US. THEN WE HAVE A AGREEMENT WITH NAU FOR THAT ONGOING OPERATING. AS I SAID, INITIALLY, IT WAS NO MORE THAN 50%, [01:30:03] SO IT WAS A 50, 50 SHARE. WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT THERE IS A CLAUSE AND THAT AGREEMENT THAT IS SIGNED BY ALL THREE PARTIES THAT SAYS NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY IS CONTRIBUTION WILL NOT GROW MORE THAN THE COST CPI, THE COST INFLATION FOR GREATER ARIZONA FOR TRANSPORTATION, OR OUR COST INCREASE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. OVER THE YEARS, AS WE HAVE SEEN, 6, 10, 12% INCREASES IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET. OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS SLOWLY NOT MAINTAINED AT 50, 50 BECAUSE OF THAT CLAUSE IN OUR AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT RATIO TODAY, BUT NAU I THINK IS PAYING AROUND 42% OF THE COST OF THAT ROUTE, WITH THE CITY CONTRIBUTING THE DIFFERENCE OUTSIDE OF THE FACT THAT WE USE FEDERAL FUNDS. I WILL JUST ADD ONE CAVEAT THAT THE SERVICE THE RIDER SHIP FROM THAT ROUTE IS SIGNIFICANT TO MOUNTAIN LINES FEDERAL FUNDING. WE COMPETE FOR SMALL TRANSIT INTENSIVE CITIES FUNDING, WHICH IS A SEGMENT OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT LOOKS AT HOURS, MILES ON RIDERSHIP IN SIX DIFFERENT WAYS AND IF WE CAN SHOW PERFORMANCE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THIS LARGE SYSTEM, LIKE THE CITY OF PHOENIX OR CITY OF TUCSON. WE CAN EARN ADDITIONAL FUNDING. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE EARNING $4.2 MILLION THROUGH THAT STICKS SYSTEM AND THE RIDERSHIP ON NAU IS JUST PARAMOUNT TO THAT AWARD. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BESWEET. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I JUST HAD A COMMENT THAT I JOINED YOUR BOARD DURING COVID AND WATCHED HOW YOU MADE IT THROUGH THAT AND YOU'RE SHINING, RIDERSHIP IS BACK. YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB, AND I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE ON THE MOUNTAIN LINE EFFORTS AND WHAT YOU PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU JUST ARE INNOVATIVE AND YOU KEEP GOING, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THIS PORTION. >> OKAY WILL SHIFT OVER A BUSY COLLINS TRANSIT PLANNERS GOING TO PRESENT ON THE RECENTLY ADOPTED FIVE-YEAR TRANSIT PLAN. >> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT WHAT IS HERE. FIRST, I WANTED TO START WITH TRANSIT NEEDS. MOUNTAIN LINE DOES A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK. WE DO SURVEYS OF WRITERS OF NON RIDERS HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC. I'M GOING TO START WITH FOUR SLIDES OF NEEDS AND THEN SHOW YOU THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF OUR FIVE-YEAR TRANSIT PLAN. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THE CORRELATION. WE REALLY DO TRY TO HONOR WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I TRIED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER, ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE COLOR CODING BASED ON THE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT BEING REQUESTED. ON THE VERY TOP IT SAYS DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS. COVERAGE IS A VERY COMMON REQUEST. THE SECOND ONE IS SPAN OF TIME, SO ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE LATER SERVICE ON SUNDAY, SATURDAY, WEEKDAYS, THAT'S VERY COMMON LATE SERVICE, EARLIER MORNING SERVICE. YOU CAN SEE THAT LAID SERVICES MORE POPULAR THAN EARLIER SERVICE. HOWEVER, THERE'S STILL A NEED AND RED FREQUENCIES. THE VERY BOTTOM, MORE FREQUENT SERVICE ON SUNDAY, SATURDAY, WEEKEND DAYS, THAT IS OUR THIRD TOP REQUESTS. THESE TOP THREE REQUESTS ARE SHIFTED OVER, WHICH IS FIRST, SECOND, THIRD IN THE COMING SLIDES. BUT I WILL SAY FREQUENCY THE TIME THAT THE BUS ARRIVES IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR SYSTEM. ALL OF THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WE DO HEAR FREQUENCY A LOT. THAT'S VERY MUCH TARGETING HIGH RIDERSHIP. IF THE BUSES ISN'T COMING FOR MORE THAN ONCE AN HOUR, IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO USE THAT SYSTEM. WE DO HAVE ONE ROUTE IN OUR SYSTEM THAT'S ONCE PER HOUR, WHEREAS EVERY EIGHT TO 10 MINUTES, WHICH IS ROUTE 10, SO EASY, WALK OUT THE DOOR, BUSES COMING. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY AS PART OF FLAKES UP IN MOTION AND PUBLIC SURVEY. WE REALLY TRIED TO DIG INTO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY FREQUENCY? WHEN DO YOU WANT THAT FREQUENCY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY LATE NIGHT? WHAT TIME IS THAT? REALLY WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT WRITERS WANT MORE FREQUENT SERVICE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY TO ABOUT 09:00 PM; WE CURRENTLY HAVE FREQUENT SERVICE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY UNTIL ABOUT 06:00 PM; SO BIG INCREASE THERE AND ALSO BUS SERVICE TO END AT MIDNIGHT. JUST SIMPLY ANY SERVICE, OFF PEAK SERVICE, LESS FREQUENT SERVICE, BUT AT LEAST A LIFELINE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK LATER THAN ABOUT 10:00 PM; IS WHERE WE CURRENTLY ON SERVICE ON WEEKDAYS AND ABOUT 08:00 P.M. ON WEEKENDS. THE PUBLIC REALLY SAID, WE NEED MIDNIGHT MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. [01:35:02] IDEALLY, EVEN SUNDAY WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THIS IS ALSO PART OF FLAGSTAFF AND MOTION, AND THE YELLOW. COVERAGE WAS NUMBER 1 IN THIS SURVEY, NUMBER 2 WAS INCREASING THE SPAN OF SERVICE A LATER NIGHT, EARLIER MORNING SERVICE, AND NUMBER 3 WAS FREQUENCY AND AMONG THE COVERAGE AREAS WE DO HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY OUTSIDE OF FLIGHT STUFF CITY LIMITS, WE HEAR THAT A LOT. THEN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, YOU CAN SEE THAT GOING DOWN ON THAT BAR GRAPH ON THE RIGHT. THIS IS MY FINAL TRANSIT NEEDS. THIS IS OUR NEVER RIDER SURVEY, WE ARE VERY MUCH TARGETING PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER IN THE BUS AGAIN, WHAT WOULD ENTICE YOU TO RIDE THE BUS? HERE WE CAN SEE VERY TOP IS COVERAGE. HAVING BUS SERVICE OR A STOP CLOSER TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, WORK OR HOME. SECOND IS MORE FREQUENT SERVICE AND THEN FURTHER DOWN LATER EVENING, EARLIER MORNING SERVICE. AGAIN, YOU CAN REALLY SEE WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS. THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS OUT THERE, BUT REALLY FREQUENCY, SPAN AND COVERAGE, OUR TOP THREE REQUESTS. IN FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION. THE GOAL WAS HOW BEST TO PROVIDE A FUND MARGIN LINE TRANSIT SERVICES. IT TOOK ABOUT 18 MONTHS. WE DID HAVE A ROBUST PUBLIC FEEDBACK PERIOD. WE HAD GUIDANCE FROM COMMUNITY LEADERS AND WE DID HAVE THE BOARD ADOPT THIS PLAN JUST THIS JANUARY. >> LIZZY? >> YES. >> CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE MOMENT? I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS A QUESTION. >> YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> WELL, NO RUSH. BUT [NOISE] SINCE I HAVE THE MIC I CAN USE IT, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT A SERVICE TO THE NEW HOSPITAL LOCATION. MY QUESTION THERE MAKES US A COUPLE OF PARK QUESTION IS DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD USE IT? THEN SECONDLY [NOISE] I THINK IF I REMEMBER WHEN I READ THE PACKET THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO SOME EXPANSION TO THE AIRPORT. IT WOULD SEEM THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND TO THE AIRPORT [NOISE] RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AS A HOSPITAL. IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND TO THE AIRPORT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT MAYBE YOU COULD EXPAND TO THE HOSPITAL AS WELL. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND TALK AROUND IT? >> [LAUGHTER] YES. MARK MCCARTHY, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I WILL GET TO THE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE AREA. A NEW ROUTE TO THE NIH FACILITY PROPOSED? >> YEAH. YOU CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION, WRITER, IF THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. >> [LAUGHTER] YEAH. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. BECAUSE I WILL GET TO THAT. BUT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION COMPLETELY WHEN I GET THERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THE TWO MAIN GOALS OF FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION, WE'RE REALLY NUMBER 1, TARGETING AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP POTENTIAL AND NUMBER 2, SUPPORTING TRANSIT DEPENDENT POPULATIONS. HERE IS OUR TRANSIT VISION. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE. TEXT IS VERY SMALL FOR THOSE IN THE ROOM. I'M GOING TO DESCRIBE QUICKLY THE VARIOUS BOXES. I'M GOING TO START ON THE TOP-LEFT. THAT'S OUR ORANGE ROUTE THAT GOES ALONG US 180 UP TO CHESHIRE. WE'RE INCREASING FREQUENCY THERE, THAT IS OUR HOURLY ROUTE. CURRENTLY EVERY 60 MINUTES A BUS WILL ARRIVE. WE'RE SAYING EVERY 30 MINUTES. INCREASE THEIR MOVING TO THE RIGHT, OUR BLUE ROUTE, ROUTE 2. WE REALLY SEE MCMILLAN MESA, JUST INCREASING POPULATION. WE'VE GOT SOME OF OUR VERY VULNERABLE TRANSIT DEPENDENT POPULATIONS UP THERE AS WELL. WE'VE GOT A VETERAN'S HOME, WE HAVE OUR YOUTH MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM. SOME HEALTH CARE FACILITIES UP THERE. MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THAT IS THAT AREA CONTINUES TO GROW. MOVING TO THE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE OUR PURPLE ROUTE. ROUTE 7. IT SERVE SUNNYSIDE. WE'RE PROPOSING INCREASING FREQUENCY ON THAT ROUTE. MOVING TO THE RIGHT AGAIN, OUR RED ROUTE, ROUTE 66 GOES RIGHT DOWN. HISTORIC ROUTE 66, INCREASING FREQUENCY THERE AS WELL. MOVING TO THE RIGHT ARE GREEN ROUTE, SERVES COUNTRY CLUB ROUTE 3, INCREASING FREQUENCY THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM THE THREE BOXES ON THE BOTTOM WE WOULD APPLY AND THOSE INCLUDE INCREASING SATURDAY SERVICE TO MATCH WEEKDAY SERVICE. SATURDAY WOULD BE SIMILAR TO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, LONGER OFF-PEAK EVENING SERVICE HOURS TO MIDNIGHT AS WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. THEN SUPPORTING THE VERY LATE DIET THIRD SHIFT WORKERS, LATE NIGHT TRIPS FOR BUS PASS HOLDERS FROM MIDNIGHT TO 02:30 A.M ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP WITH TAXI COMPANIES. THEN THE FINAL ITEM, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, WE DO HAVE COVERAGE TO NEW AREAS AND THOSE ARE INDICATED BY THE DASHED LINES. THE FIRST ONE IS THE PURPLE LINE. GOING THROUGH PONDEROSA TRAILS TO THE AIRPORT. THERE IS A STRONG NEED OF SERVING PONDEROSA TRAILS AND THE AIRPORTS ON THAT SIDE. I SEE WHERE YOUR HEADS OUT. I LIKE THE COMBINATION, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO SUPPORT THE PONDEROSA TRAILS AREA AS WELL. THEN THE NEW ROUTE TO THE PROPOSED NAH FACILITY ON BEULAH BLVD. THEN THE THIRD COVERAGE ITEM IS OFF OF WEST ROUTE 66, [01:40:02] THE TEAL COLOR AND THAT'S PROPOSED TO GO UP TO WOODY MOUNTAIN ROAD. THOSE ARE THE TRANSIT VISION. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE NEW SERVICE COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY? >> YEAH. I GUESS ALL OF THESE ARE POTENTIAL. THEY'RE NOT THAT'S IF YOU GET MORE FUNDING. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> BUT MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA OR ANALYSIS THAT SAYS THAT THEY DID PEOPLE WOULD USE THE BUS TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULDN'T. I'M JUST SAYING WHAT DO YOU KNOW? >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. YES. THE CURRENT NAH BUS STOPS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR TOP 25 PERCENT OF RIDERSHIP AMONG OUR SYSTEM. IT'S VERY GOOD. WE DO SEE ROBUST EMPLOYEE AND NAH EMPLOYEE PASSES BEING USED THERE. WE ALSO SEE STUDENTS. THEY UTILIZE THAT. IT'S A SMALL PORTION, BUT THEY DO UTILIZE THAT AS CONNECTION TWO AND FIVE ROUTES AND ALSO THE GENERAL PUBLIC GOING AND VISITING INDIVIDUALS AT THE HOSPITAL. >> DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT NAH RIGHT NOW AT THE CURRENT LOCATION, PROVIDES BUS PASSES TO THEIR EMPLOYEES? >> YES. THEY ARE A PART OF OUR ECO-PASS PROGRAM. >> THAT'S INTERESTING. THANK YOU. >> THAT DOES PROVIDE FREE PASSES TO ALL EMPLOYEES AT AN NAH. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. BUSY, YOU LEANED OVER IT. BUT THOSE BUS STOPS THAT STOP AT NAH, A LOT OF THEM ARE CONNECTORS, RIDERSHIP, THEY'RE CHANGING BUSES TO GO TO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS IN THE AREA. WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT. >> TOP 25 PERCENT. >> TOP 25 PERCENT. BUT IT'S NOT PEOPLE GOING TO THE HOSPITALS ARE TOP 25. IT'S JUST TAKING THOSE BUSES THAT CONNECT TO ANOTHER BUS TAKES UP A PORTION OF THAT PERCENTAGE. WE DON'T HAVE TRUE NUMBERS OF RIDERSHIP TO THE HOSPITAL. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I DID AN ANALYSIS OF THIS BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO VERY CURIOUS. WE WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT SITUATION IS AND BASED ON PASS HOLDERS SO WE CAN SEE STUDENT PASSES AND THAT'S MAINLY THE RIDERSHIP THAT WE SEE CONNECTING BETWEEN THE TWO AND THE FIVE. I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER AND I GET THAT FOR YOU, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT FIVE PERCENT OF TOTAL TRIPS THERE. IF THAT GIVES YOU A GOOD FEELING. I DON T THINK THE VAST MAJORITY IS GOING FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA AND LIKELY THE HOSPITAL. >> BUT YOU DON'T HAVE DATA ON HOW MANY RIDERS ARE USING THE BUSES TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL BESIDES THE EMPLOYEE PASSES? >> CORRECT. >> HOW MANY EMPLOYEE PASSES? >> JACKIE. >> NOT EMPLOY PASSES, BUT ACTUAL USAGE PER WEEK. >> ONE THOUSAND UNIQUE USERS, I APOLOGIZE. >> IS THAT PER DAY, PER MONTH, PER YEAR? >> PER YEAR. >> THE HOSPITAL BUYS CURRENTLY 1,000 PASSES FROM US ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WHEN WE RUN THE ANALYSIS OF PAST NUMBERS, JUST UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS, WE KNOW THERE ARE 100 UNIQUE USERS PER MONTH MAKING TRIPS. >> THANK YOU. >> YES. >> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS AND PLEASE INTERRUPT ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. LET'S SEE. IN ADDITION TO THE TRANSIT VISION, WE ALSO HAVE AREAS TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE BUS SYSTEM. THERE'S SOME THINGS GOING ON ON THIS MAP. THE GREEN BUBBLES IS THE WALK SHED FROM OUR TRANSIT ROUTES. IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE. YOU CAN SEE THE PENETRATION INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ISN'T A LOT BASED ON THE AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL. THEY'RE WILLING TO WALK ABOUT A QUARTER MILE TO A BUS STOP. REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE BUS STOPS IDENTIFIED, THOSE ARE IN THE BLACK BUS STOP ICONS. AS HEATHER HAD MENTIONED, IS SOME INFILE OF OUR CURRENT ROUTES COULD TREMENDOUSLY HELP ACCESS FOR OUR POPULATION. WE ALSO HAVE SOME KISS-AND-RIDE LOCATION, SO THEY'RE ON THE FOUR CORNERS OF HOW YOU GET INTO FLAKES OFF AND THEY'RE IDENTIFIED ON THIS MAP A LITTLE SMALL, I APOLOGIZE. BUT REALLY THE CONCEPT IS LIKE A TIP TOE INTO A PARK AND RIDE. TWO INDIVIDUALS IN A CAR, ONE INDIVIDUAL GETS OUT AT THE BUS STOP, USES THE SYSTEM FOR THE DAY, THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL, MAYBE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT DESTINATIONS, SO TRYING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE BUS SYSTEM FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. THEN E-BIKE, E-SCOOTER. BEING ABLE TO ACCESS OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM FIRST AND LAST MILE, AGAIN IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THESE BROWN AREAS ARE REALLY TARGETED. THEIY'RE LITTLE POCKETS, LIKE KNOWHOW, REAL HOMES OFF OF LONE TREE. JUST LITTLE MILE-LONG POCKETS, THAT TRANSIT JUST ISN'T EFFICIENT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE? REALLY LOOKING AT A PARTNERSHIP, [01:45:01] E-BIKE AND E-SCOOTER SHARE WITH THE CITIES AND FUTURE VENDOR WOULD REALLY HELP INCREASE ACCESS TO THE BUS SYSTEM. GOING BACK TO OUR GOALS. MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING OUR TRANSIT DEPENDENT POPULATIONS AND INCREASING THAT HIGH RIDERSHIP POTENTIAL. SHOWN HERE IS OUR CURRENT SYSTEM ON THE LEFT, THE DARKER YELLOW IS 15 MINUTES FROM THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER AND THEN THE LIGHTER YELLOW IS 30 MINUTES. YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR HOW FAR YOU CAN GET WALKING AND TAKING TRANSIT IN 15 MINUTES OR HALF AN HOUR AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THAT ACCESS THROUGHOUT A HUGE SPAN OF TIME. BOTH AT NOON AND AT 10:00 P.M ON WEEKDAYS AND SATURDAYS. WHEREAS ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE BOTTOM-LEFT TO 10:00 P.M SATURDAYS. THAT'S JUST WALKING. WE DON'T OPERATE AT 10:00 P.M ON SATURDAY, SO JUST BEING ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T WORK NINE TO FIVE. HERE'S ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THE FUTURE TRANSIT SYSTEM. ON THE TOP IS OUR CURRENT BENEFITS TO OUR INNER CURRENT SYSTEM. THE VERY TOP LINE IS JOBS. HOW MANY JOBS IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF CAN BE REACHED IN 20 MINUTES, WHICH IS THE GREEN BAR, OR JUST ON ANY TRANSIT SERVICE, WHICH IS THE BROWN. YOU CAN SEE JUST JOBS. WE HAVE ABOUT 55 PERCENT OF JOBS IN FLAGSTAFF CURRENTLY, YOU CAN ACCESS IN 20 MINUTES ON TRANSIT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. IN OUR FUTURE TRENDS OF VISION JOBS, THAT SHOOTS UP TO 85 PERCENT, 20 MINUTES SERVICE. AGAIN, FREQUENCY REALLY INCREASES THAT RIDERSHIP HELPS SUPPORT PEOPLE. THEN WE ALSO HAVE POPULATION BROKEN DOWN BY VARIOUS DEMOGRAPHICS. AGAIN, THE LOW-INCOME MINORITY IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO TARGET WITHIN THIS NEW TRANSIT VISION. YOU CAN SEE, WE WENT FROM LOW-INCOME ALONE OF APPROXIMATELY 70 PERCENT AT 20 MINUTES AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT IN THE TRANSIT VISION, BUT OVERALL SUPPORTING OUR LOW-INCOME AND MINORITY POPULATIONS OVER THE GENERAL POPULATION, YOU CAN SEE JUST BASED ON THE GREEN BARS BEING LONGER. THEN A FEW OTHER ITEMS FROM OUR TRANSIT PLAN. OTHER TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE ACTIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN IS SEEK NEW FUNDING AND PARTNERSHIPS, IMPLEMENT FLIGHT STUFF AND MOTION. HEATHER WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT. OUR NEXT STEPS, HOW DO WE FUND ALL OF THESE GOALS OF OURS? ALSO REQUESTING LOCAL AGENCY PARTNERS TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. MODULARLY DOES NOT OWN ANY ROADWAYS AND YET WE OPERATE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S ROADWAYS AND REALLY HAVING THAT GREAT PARTNERSHIP IS CRITICAL FOR TRANSIT TO WORK AS BEST AS IT CAN. MAKING SURE THAT TRANSIT AND FIRST AND LAST MILE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLANNING AND CAPITAL PROJECTS, MODIFYING ROADWAY CODES AND STANDARDS TO BETTER INCORPORATE TRANSIT AND ADOPT MOUNTAIN LINE PLANS. THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. WHILE WE ARE FOCUSING ON HIGH FREQUENCY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE TRANSIT VISION, OUR BUS RAPID TRANSIT BRT PROJECT THAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT, IT IS STILL ON PAUSE. IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR TWO MAIN REASONS. THE FIRST IS THAT OUR NORTH ANCHOR IS MOVING, THE HOSPITAL IS POTENTIALLY MOVING. REALLY, UNTIL THAT IS FIGURED OUT, THIS ROUTE DOESN'T HAVE A NORTH ANCHOR, WHICH IS REALLY CHALLENGING TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL ROUTE, WE WANT DESTINATIONS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO. THE SECOND ITEM IS JUST ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. A THIRD OF THIS BRT SYSTEM WAS LOCATED IS IDENTIFIED ON EIGHT OUT ROADS, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET A CROSSING, GET SOME TRANSIT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE TRANSIT MOVE MORE QUICKLY THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR. IT'S JUST NOT AN OPTION AND THAT REALLY MADE THE PROJECT A LOT MORE CHALLENGING AND LESS SUCCESSFUL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I BROUGHT THAT UP AS A REMINDER AND I'LL PAUSE THERE FOR QUESTIONS AND HEATHER WILL BE FOLLOWING ME WITH NEXT STEPS. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW TO PHRASE THIS QUESTION, BUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND TALKING ABOUT THE DESIRE TO INCREASE ACCESS, PARTICULARLY FOR LOW-INCOME AND MINORITY USERS, ARE YOU MAYBE LOOKING TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY AS THEY GO THROUGH ZONING CODE REVIEWS AND AMENDMENT? BECAUSE JUST KNOWING THE CHALLENGE THAT UNDER-RESOURCED NEIGHBORHOODS CREATE TO TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE VERY CLEARLY CONNECTED, I THINK, IN THAT ASSESSMENT. ARE YOU LOOKING TO PARTNER IN THAT ASSESSMENT OR TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THAT AREA? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY. THE CITY ARE INCREDIBLE PARTNERS. YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOUR STAFF. YES, WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THAT ZONING CHANGES AND ALSO JUST THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL THOSE QUARTER PLANS. YES, WE TRIED TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ON THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU. [01:50:01] >> COUNCILMEMBER MCCARTHY. >> I'LL ASK YOU A QUESTION, TRUE OR FALSE? [LAUGHTER] IF REZONE THE CITY TO BE HIGHER DENSITY, DOES THAT MAKE WALKABILITY IN TRANSIT MORE PRACTICAL? >> GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES. TRANSIT LOVES DENSITY. THAT'S PART OF THE RIDERSHIP RECIPE NUMBER 1. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PLACES IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF AREA, BOTH JOBS AND DWELLINGS, VERY IMPORTANT. THAT REALLY INCREASES RIDERSHIP 100 PERCENT. >> I JUST BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE BY. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. AGAIN, YES, WE DO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH SARAH, DR. AND HER TEAM ON THAT REGIONAL PLAN. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. TWO QUESTIONS. I BROUGHT THIS UP AT OUR MEET-AND-GREET A WEEK OR SO AGO. IT REACHES OVER JUST MORE BUS ROUTES AND STUFF. I DIDN'T SEE IN THIS PLAN, THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, ADDING THE BUS STOPS COVERS ON SOME OF OUR MOST NEEDED AREAS LIKE, I THINK IT'S LOCKHART OR LOCKHEED, WHERE WE PROBABLY HAVE A HIGHER RIDERSHIP USAGE THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THEY COULD SIT AND WAIT FOR THE BUS IN A PROTECTED BEST WAIT BUS STOP, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS IN THE PLAN. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE MEETING AND THEN ALSO JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME UP TO ME. CITY COUNCIL TALKS A LOT ABOUT FUTURE PLANNING ON OUR ROADWAYS AND INTERSECTIONS TO REDUCE CAR TRAVEL AND INCREASE PED AND BIKE TRAVEL. WOULD THAT CREATE AN ISSUE IF THEN BUSES TAKE LONGER TO GET TO DESTINATIONS BECAUSE GETTING THROUGH INTERSECTIONS ARE NOW DELAYED 15, 20 MINUTES MORE. IS THAT RISKING RIDERSHIP ON OUR PUBLIC TRANSIT AND THEREFORE DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS? >> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS. THE FIRST ITEM, BUS STOP IMPROVEMENT. OUR CAPITAL PROJECT MANAGER OVERSEES OUR BUS STOP IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW LOCATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE A SHELTER THAT SHOULD. WE DID AN INTERNAL ASSESSMENT OF AMENITY WARRANTS, AND ARE WORKING THROUGH PRIORITIZATION OF THAT. A BIG PART OF THAT THAT STOPS US FROM IMPROVING SOME BUS STOPS UP FROM EITHER A SIGN STOP OR UP TO THE SHELTER IS EASEMENTS. IT'S REALLY COSTLY TO GET AN EASEMENT. IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING A LOT. I WILL SAY THAT OUR BUS STOPS, WE HAVE ALL OF THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT DONE, SO ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN THAT IT'S WARRANTED TO IMPROVE THAT AMENITY, WE HAVE. NOW WE'RE REALLY DOWN TO THE MORE CHALLENGING LOCATIONS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENT, WHERE VARIOUS CHALLENGES EXIST, TYPOGRAPHY. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AND THAT IS VERY MUCH WITHIN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT IS ANNUALLY BUDGETED. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> YES. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE HERE. AGAIN, I'M VERY FOCUSED JUST ON OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH PED AND BIKE PATHS. THERE'S A PUSH FOR MORE, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY. I WANT TO BE REALLY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A BUS ROUTE THAT GOES TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE PROBABLY A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF POTENTIAL RIDERSHIP INCREASE, BUT UNTIL WE FOCUS ON THAT AND GIVE THEM SHELTER TO WAIT DURING OUR HARSH WINTERS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT. I THINK THAT REALLY HAS TO STAY IN THE CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT JUST ADDING NEW BUT WE'RE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ROUTES THAT WE ALREADY SERVICE AND PROVIDING BETTER EXPERIENCE, IF YOU WILL. THEN YOU CAN ANSWER MY SECOND QUESTION. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. FOR REDUCING CAR TRAVEL, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT BUS TRAVEL? IF WE'RE REDUCING CAR TRAVEL WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING ON THE BUSES. ABSOLUTELY, IT MIGHT IMPACT DWELL TIME, HOW QUICKLY OUR BUSES CAN MOVE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO THAT. SOME OF THOSE ARE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT WE COULD SAVE SO MINUTES. IF WE HAVE MORE MINUTES ON THE DWELL TIME PICKING UP PASSENGERS, MAYBE WE CAN SAVE THOSE MINUTES. IF OUR BUSES CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND CERTAIN ACCOMMODATIONS ARE MADE OR SORRY, OFF BUS FARE OPPORTUNITIES SO THEY PAY THEIR FAIR BEFORE THEY GET ON THE BUS, [01:55:05] SO THAT REDUCES FUMBLING FOR CHANGE. THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS. IT'S ALL PIECEMEAL, BUT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. YES, SO I'LL JUST STOP THERE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND HAVE US THINKING BIG PICTURE. WE LEARN SOMETHING, VICE MAYOR AND MYSELF TOWARD ONE OF OUR SOLID WASTE PLANTS, AND WE LEARNED THAT, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? THE LOW WATER FLUSH TOILETS ACTUALLY CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM ON THE END TO FLUSH THE SEWER DOWN. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT CONVERSATION UP TO SAY, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BIG SHIFT AND NARROWING STREETS, MAKING WEIGHT TIMES TWO INTERSECTIONS LONGER, WE WANT TO CONSIDER, ARE WE GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT BUS RIDERSHIP, WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY WANTS A LOT OF THE POPULATION TO GO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS. >> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CHEST SHIRE ROUTE? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. DO YOU NEED THE MAP? SHOULD I PUT THE MAP UP? >> NO. JUST GO BACK IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT IT. I REMEMBER WHEN THE ROUTE STARTED BECAUSE I STOPPED TAKING KIDS TO SCHOOL AND THEY COULD RIDE THE BUS. ARE THERE MORE STUDENTS USING THAT ROUTE THAN RESONANCE OR GROWN-UPS? [LAUGHTER] GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER WORD. >> EXCELLENT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. THE FALL OF STUDENTS ON ROUTE 5, IT'S A TREMENDOUS NUMBER. YEAH. WE DEFINITELY HAVE OUR PEAKS AT 8:00 A.M., AT 3:00 P.M. WHEN WE HAVE THOSE FALL OF STUDENTS COMING AND GOING FROM SCHOOL. I DON'T KNOW THE RATIO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO GIVE THAT TO YOU. >> I'M ASSUMING THAT THE BUS DOESN'T STOP ANYWHERE OTHER THAN IF THEY'RE GOING OUT 180, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY OTHER STOPS OTHER THAN FOLLOWS THAT, CORRECT? >> NOPE. WE'LL STOP ALONG THE ROUTE TO FALL OUT. WE HAVE REGULAR ROUTE FIVE SERVICE AND THEN WE ALSO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL ROUTE FIVE. JUST FOR THAT 8:00 A.M. TRIP, THAT 3:00 P.M. TRIP, AND THAT BUS DOES STOP AT ALL THE STOPS ALONG THE WAY IN THE MORNING TO FOLLOW AND THEN LEAVING FOLLOW. IT'LL STOP AT EVERY STOP FROM FOLLOW. IT'S VERY MUCH SUPPORTING THE FALL OF STUDENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T OVER EXCEED CAPACITY ON THE REGULAR ROUTE 5 BUS, WHICH WE WOULD. >> THEN IN THE MORNING, IT STARTS AT WHAT TIME? >> IT'S 7:00. I FORGET THE EXACT MINUTES, BUT APPROXIMATELY 7:00 AM. >> IT'S 7:00 AM. IT POTENTIALLY COULD, ON ITS WAY BACK, PICK PEOPLE UP THERE NEEDED TO BE AT WORK BY 8:00. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> WORK, MEANING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY? >> YEAH. >> WHEREVER IT ENDS UP? >> ABSOLUTELY. LET ME THINK. WE GOT THERE AND THEN WE COME BACK. WE TRY TO MINIMIZE ANY DEAD HEAD IS WHAT IT'S CALLED WHEN WE'RE NOT IN REVENUE SERVICE, PICKING UP. WHILE WE DON'T OFFER SERVICE COMING FROM FALA BACK DOWN TO DOWNTOWN, WE DO ENTER INTO ONE MORE TRIP, ON ROUTE, TEND TO PICK UP SOME MORE RIDERS. WE TRY TO GET SOME MORE RIDERSHIP WHEN WE HAVE A BUST OUT, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT, SO WE'LL REEVALUATE. >> EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. GOING TO FALA AND CHESHIRE, YOU STOP ALONG THE WAY. COMING BACK, YOU MAKE NO STOPS. >> ONCE WE'VE DROPPED OFF THE FALA STUDENTS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? >> I JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY, ROUTE 5 OPERATES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SERVICE ROUTE. WE HAVE STOPS ALL THE WAY OUT TO AND THROUGH CHESHIRE, SERVING FALA, AND THEN WE HAVE STOPS COMING BACK IN. THAT ROUTE RUNS ONCE AN HOUR, IT MAKES THAT TRIP ALL DAY LONG. AT 8 AND 3, WE HAVE A SECOND BUS THAT GOES OUT AND PICKS UP ON ITS WAY OUT AND THEN MAKES A DIRECT TRIP BACK INTO TOWN. BUT THE OTHER BUS DOES MAKE ALL OF THOSE STOPS. YES, TO YOUR POINT, THAT ROUTE COULD BE SERVING PEOPLE COMING TO JOBS, TO ACCESSING MEDICAL, TO GO SHOPPING. THE BARRIER, WE BELIEVE, TO THAT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S ONCE AN HOUR. IT'S NOT FREQUENT ENOUGH TO BE ATTRACTIVE. >> DO YOU DO ANYTHING TO TRY AND REACH THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE BECAUSE THEIR APARTMENT IS ALONG THE WAY? THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT BE OUT THAT WAY. CHESHIRE, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD. DO YOU MAKE ANY EFFORTS TO SURVEY THAT GROUP TO SEE IF YOU COULD INCREASE RIDERSHIP OR HAVE YOU DONE? I KNOW IT'S A BIG ASK, [02:00:01] BUT HOW DO YOU GET TO PEOPLE WHO, I DON'T FILL OUT YOUR SURVEY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ME? >> SURE. I THINK THERE'S TWO PARTS TO YOUR QUESTION. ONE, DO WE MARKET TO THOSE FOLKS AND TWO, DO WE SURVEY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DONE A VERY SPECIFIC ROUTE 5 TARGETED MARKETING AND EFFORT OR SURVEY. BUT AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION, IF WE GET IT FUNDED, WILL CONTAIN THOSE TWO THINGS TO CONFIRM WHAT IS THE FREQUENCY TO CHANGE TRAVEL PATTERNS AND WHAT IS THE NEED, AND THEN TO MARKET THAT PROGRAM. IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO MARKET A TRANSIT PROGRAM AND SAY, WELL, IF YOU MISSED THE BUS, GO INSIDE, TAKE ALL YOUR JACKETS OFF, SIT DOWN FOR 45 MINUTES, AND THEN COME BACK OUT. THERE HASN'T BEEN A LARGE MARKETING EFFORT OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL KIDS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHILE WE SERVE FALA, DEFINITELY BRINGING KIDS OUT OF FLAGSTAFF OUT TO FALA, WE HAVE THE REVERSE HAPPENING AS WELL. STUDENTS RIDING ALL ALONG THAT ROUTE TO THE CURRENT NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE FACILITY, TRANSFERRING TO OTHER ROUTES TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS ALL OVER TOWN. IT IS A STUDENT-DRIVEN ROUTE, BUT YES, THERE'S GREATER POTENTIAL THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT PRESENTATION. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN NATA AND THE CITY AND ALL OF YOUR OTHER PARTNERS, AND THE SLIDE WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP UNDER THE TRANSIT VISION. IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THAT JUMP IN YOUTH THAT COULD POTENTIALLY RIDE THE BUS. IT'S ALSO EXCITING TO SEE A POTENTIAL RISE IN SENIORS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT. I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH TRANSPORTATION PLANNING STAFF. MY DREAM WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK LEADING EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE EASY ACCESS TO THE PLACES THAT THEY WANT TO GO. ARE YOU IN COMMUNICATION WITH OUR STAFF ABOUT HOW A ROUTE MIGHT BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IF THE FACILITIES GETTING THERE AND GETTING FROM THERE WERE BETTER IMPROVED OR MAINTAINED? >> YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. WE DO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUTLER CORRIDOR PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON, METROPLAN STAFF, THE WEST ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR PROJECT, SO REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE DO INTEGRATE TRANSIT AND WITH THOSE PROJECTS IS KEY, AND KUDOS YOUR STAFF ON THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> IF I CAN ADD, MOUNTAIN LINE DID PURSUE AND RECEIVE A SIX-MILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO SUPPORT THE CITY WITH BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO TRANSIT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT. ALL OF OUR RIDERS START THEIR TRIP ON FOOT OR ON BIKE. WE KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NEEDED, AND SO WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY RIGHT NOW WITH CITY STAFF ON AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR THAT GRANT. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION. ON THIS ROUTE 5, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF RIDERSHIP THAT IS FOR FALA? IS THAT PRETTY MUCH MAINLY THE RIDERSHIP ON THAT ROUTE? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA READILY AVAILABLE. WHAT WE CAN REALLY GIVE YOU WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RIDERSHIP IS WE CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF BOARDINGS AT A STOP AT A LOCATION. WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP WITH THAT NUMBER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BOARDING, IT PROBABLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BOARDINGS GOING OUT THERE. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE BOARDED AT THE DCC AND GO ONLY TO FALA OR GET OFF ALONG THE ROUTE. WE DON'T TRACK PASSENGERS BY BOTH THEIR ON AND THEIR OFF. WE DO ONLY COUNT THEM IN THEIR ON. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS WITH YOU THEN? >> YES, YOU CAN. >> GREAT. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'LL FOLLOW UP ON BEFORE I MOVE INTO HOW DO WE PLAN TO FUND FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION, IS THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF REMARKS ABOUT HOW MOUNTAIN LINE IS INCORPORATED INTO PLANS, INTO CODES. MOUNTAIN LINE IS WORKING ON A CODE PROJECT THAT WE HOPE TO ENGAGE CITY STAFF ON. IT REALLY LOOKS AT HOW TRANSIT IS OR ISN'T RECOGNIZED IN CURRENT CODES AND HOW WE MIGHT RECOMMEND THOSE CHANGES. WE ACTUALLY GOT A GRANT TO BRING IN A LEGAL ASSISTANCE AND PLANNERS TO HELP US LOOK AT THAT. BUT THE OVERALL GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT AS WE MAKE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR [02:05:05] THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION THAT THEY ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT BIKE, PEDESTRIAN, AND TRANSIT ACCESS BEING PRIORITIZED IN PROJECTS. WITH THAT SAID, MOVING ON TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT. EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS OUR DREAM AND OUR VISION AND OUR PLAN. THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE, AS YOU'LL RECALL, THAT FUND BALANCED SLIDE IS, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICE. FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET IS BASED ON CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS. WE PROJECT THAT OUT IN PERPETUITY TO UNDERSTAND OUR FUNDING FOR EXISTING SERVICES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION AND THE SERVICES THAT WE HOPE TO IMPLEMENT IN THE FUTURE, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. WE CONTINUE TO HOPE FOR AND PURSUE FUNDING PARTNERSHIPS AS WE DID DO WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE REGARDING POTENTIAL SERVICE TO THEIR PROPOSED LOCATION. WE HAVE DONE THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES AS THEY HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PROPOSED SERVICE AGREEMENTS OR PAST AGREEMENTS OR CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT WE NOW ULTIMATELY, WE MAY NEED TO TURN TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND ASK THEM TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL TRANSIT FUNDING. WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE INITIATED A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT WAS FORMED AS AN ADVISORY GROUP TO MOUNTAIN LINE STAFF AT THE DIRECTION OF MOUNTAIN LINE'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS. IT IS MADE UP OF A DIVERSE GROUP REPRESENTING A VARIETY OF BUSINESS NEEDS, SCHOOL NEEDS, MEMBER NEEDS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE SCHEDULED 4-5 MEETINGS. WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING IN MAY. WE EXPECT TO CONCLUDE THE MEETINGS IN OCTOBER. WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING SERVICES TO DO BOTH POLLING IN THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE IS FOR AND HOW THEY WOULD SUPPORT A TRANSIT TAX QUESTION, AND ALSO AN EDUCATION CONSULTANT, A CONSULTANT THAT CAN HELP US WITH HOW DO WE EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE MIGHT DO WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING. AS I SAID, THAT FIRST MEETING WAS MAY 2ND. THE FIRST MEETING WAS RECENTLY, IT WAS ON MAY 2ND, AND WE REALLY SPENT THAT TIME REVIEWING FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION WITH THOSE MEMBERS. OUR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 7TH, AND WE'LL BE REVIEWING OUR FULL FINANCIAL PLAN AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT FUNDING IS NECESSARY TO BUY THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR THE SERVICE CHANGES AND THEN TO PAY FOR THAT ONGOING OPERATING. WE ANTICIPATE BY FALL OF 2023, THE MOUNTAIN LINE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WILL REVIEW A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CAC ABOUT POTENTIAL TAX QUESTIONS TO FUND NEW AND EXPANDED SERVICES. BY WINTER, WE ANTICIPATE MOUNTAIN LINE SENDING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. WE ARE SHOOTING FOR A TRANSIT TAX QUESTION IF THE CAC SUPPORTS IT FOR NOVEMBER OF 2024, AS WE INDICATED IN OUR LETTER IN JANUARY OF 2022 TO CITY COUNCIL. WE DO ANTICIPATE BEGINNING OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. I APOLOGIZE, THERE'S A TYPO. ON SPRING 2024, WE HOPE TO START A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. IN 2018, WE DID HAVE A BALLOT QUESTION THAT WAS DEFEATED. THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE PLANNED TO DO WITH THAT FUNDING. WE WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TALKING TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND, WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR FUNDING AND WHAT WILL THAT FUNDING PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY? THEN, OF COURSE, IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, THE HOPE WOULD BE TO ASK THE TAXPAYERS TO SUPPORT OUR TRANSIT TAX INCREASE FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION. THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE FOR YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> THANK YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR MARKETING PLAN. HOW ARE YOU MARKETING? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MARK IT? ELECTRONIC SOCIAL MEDIA, PAPER, NEWSPAPER, ALL OF THE ABOVE. >> WE CURRENTLY USE EVERY MECHANISM AVAILABLE TO US. WE DO HAVE A STRONG SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE, SO WE DO USE THAT. BUT WE USE THE NEWSPAPER. WE USE DIRECT MARKETING, MAILERS, CAMPAIGNS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MARKETING AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE GO INTO PUBLIC EDUCATION, IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE OPEN HOUSES, OPEN FORUMS, AND BEING AVAILABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU. >> OF COURSE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I PRESUME IF WE TALK ABOUT A TAX INCREASE FOR THE BUS SERVICE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SALES TAX. I WOULD ASK HAVE YOU CONSIDERED AND I MIGHT ASK RICK TADDER OUT THERE IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. [02:10:02] COULD IT BE A PROPERTY TAX INSTEAD OF A SALES TAX? >> I WILL START WITH WHAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF THAT MAKES THE DECISION ON HOW THEY SET UP THE FEE ASSESSMENTS THAT THE CITY COMMUNITY IS ASKED TO PAY FOR. TRADITIONALLY, WE HAVE DONE IT AS A SALES TAX AS PART OF FLAGSTAFF IN MOTION, WE DID LOOK AT WHAT OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS MIGHT BE USED, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT TO CITY STAFF FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF LIMITS ABOUT LAWS, ETC. >> LOTS OF LAWS. [LAUGHTER] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. A PROPERTY TAXES REALLY RESTRICTED TO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. IT WOULD BE FOR SECONDARY PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT WE CONTROL. WE COULDN'T NECESSARILY SET UP A DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO COLLECT A TAX FOR ONGOING RESOURCES, THE COUNTY HAS THOSE TYPES OF PRIVILEGES. WE COULD DO A PROPERTY TAX ON SECONDARY TAXATION, BUT GENERALLY, YOU WANT TO DO THOSE WITH CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, ONE-TIME FUNDING VERSUS AN ONGOING OPERATING COSTS THAT THE CITY MAY INCUR. DOES THAT ANSWER WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? >> YEAH, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S IMPRACTICAL TO DO IT AS A PROPERTY TAX. IF WE DO IT, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE A SALES TAX. >> YES, I WOULD AGREE. >> THANK YOU BOTH. MAYOR, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEW. >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM HAS WORKED VERY HARD TO PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER AND SPEND A LOT OF HOURS AND A LOT OF JUST REALLY FOCUSED RESEARCH TO BRING US SUCH EFFICIENT DATA. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, HEATHER, AND BUSY. IT WAS GREAT TO MEET SOME OF THE TEAM THAT WE DON'T SEE EVERY DAY AND JUST IT WAS SUCH AN INFORMATIVE MEETING AND DELIGHT. JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WHOLE MOUNTAIN LINE TEAM AND WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT AND YOUR SUPPORT. >> I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OOP, WE HAVE AN ONLINE COMMENT. >> MAYOR, WE DID HAVE MARINA CARATABEL, RAISE HER HAND. MARINA, DID YOU STILL WANT TO COMMENT? IF SO, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE. MARINA LAST CHANCE. I AM NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM HER IN THE CHAT AND HER HAND HAS BEEN PUT DOWN, SO I ASSUME THAT SHE NO LONGER WISHES TO COMMENT. THANK YOU. ANYONE NEED A BREAK? >> [BACKGROUND]. >> LET'S TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. [13. Short-term Rentals License Update Staff is seeking direction from Council on the draft short-term rental license ordinance.] WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED, ITEM NUMBER 13, SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL SARAH LANGLEY, PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR. WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE THAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER. I WANTED TO SEND A REALLY QUICK THANKS TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE WORKED ON THIS, SPANNED A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, INCLUDING ON YOUR WENDELL, REGGIE EGGLESTON, AND DAN FOLKE AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THEN OUR MANAGEMENT SERVICES TEAM, WHICH IS JESSICA, CELESTE, AND RICK. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS TOPIC. DURING OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT STATE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN FLAGSTAFF. WE'LL GO OVER OUR PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC INPUT AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE. THEN ON WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND GET YOUR SPECIFIC FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION. JUST A QUICK REMINDER FOR EVERYONE WATCHING THIS AS A FREQUENT QUESTION THAT WE GET. WHAT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL? FOR OUR PURPOSES TONIGHT, WE ARE DEFINING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS ANY RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT IS RENTED FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO RICK TADDER. >> HELLO, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS A SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER TO GET US TO THE END LINE OF PASSING AN ORDINANCE. LAST YEAR DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SELECTION SESSION, THERE WAS A BILL INTRODUCED THAT ALLOWED MORE LOCAL CONTROL RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR REGULATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. [02:15:02] THAT PUT TOGETHER A TEAM AND WE CAME TO COUNCIL LAST OCTOBER AND HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT AN ORDINANCE LOOKS LIKE, AND WE GOT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BACK THEN. IN MARCH, WE DID HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND RECAP THAT EARLY. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD IN APRIL, WE DID A RATE ANALYSIS. WHAT WOULD A RATE SET FOR THIS ORDINANCE AND THE LICENSE FEE WOULD BE SET FORTH THE PROCESS OF A 60-DAY NOTICE, WHICH IS REQUIRED WHEN WE SET FEES FOR THE ORGANIZATION. WHERE TODAY, MAY 7TH WITH THE PRESENTATION OF COUNSEL AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH YOUR DIRECTION FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND READS IN JUNE AND JULY, WITH THE ADOPTION POTENTIAL EFFECTIVE DATE SEPTEMBER 1ST IS OUR GOAL FOR HAVING THE LICENSE IN PLACE. SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN FLAGSTAFF HERE IS JUST A PICTURE OF WHERE WE HAVE DATA RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE GET THIS INFORMATION FROM AN AGENCY THAT WE PARTNER WITH CALLED LODGING REV IS A SOFTWARE THAT WE'LL USE. THEY GO AND FILTER AND LOOK FOR PEOPLE ADVERTISING ON SEVERAL PLATFORMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THESE ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT JUST OVER 1,000 PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED, UNIQUE PROPERTIES IDENTIFIED AS RENTAL PROPERTIES. WE MAY SEE HIM ACROSS DIFFERENT PLATFORMS, BUT WE FILTER THOSE AS ONE. WE'VE BEEN DOING A REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR A WHILE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 731 OF THOSE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF. IT'S ABOUT 70%, AND WE EXPECT WILL GET BETTER WITH THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE LICENSING AND THE PENALTIES IN PLACE. AS A MEASUREMENT OF A RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS ABOUT 3% OF OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE USED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT'S A COMPARISON OF THE 2020 CENSUS DATA THAT WE HAVE. A COMPARISON IN THE VALLEY THERE IN THE 1-2% IS WHAT CITY IN THE VALLEY HAVE AS FAR AS WHEN A RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SEDONA IS VERY HIGH. THEY HAVE A 10% OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. JUST A NOTE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE BEEN AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN REQUIRED TO PAY CITY SALES TAX, INCLUDING THE BBB TAX AT 2%, SIMILAR TO HOTELS DO FOR THE USE OF THOSE SERVICE AND RENTING OUT FACILITIES. THAT'S A RECAP OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DAN FULTZ, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. A LITTLE MORE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND ON THE USE ITSELF. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT A USE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WILL FIND IT IN OUR ZONING CODE. YOU HAVE THE ZONING DISTRICTS WITH PERMITTED USES. THE USE IS SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY. THIS IS JUST ABOUT HOW YOU USE THAT PROPERTY. WE WON'T BE REGULATING IT IN THE CODE IN THAT WAY, YOU WON'T BE SEEN IT ADDED. WE HAVE A NOTE HERE ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND WE DO HAVE A CURRENT RULE THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ADU, ONE UNIT CAN BE RENTED. NOW WE DON'T SPECIFY WHETHER IT'S SHORT-TERM OR LONG-TERM. WITH A RECENT AMENDMENT, WE DID MAKE A CHANGE THERE, WHICH SAYS THAT WE CALL IT A RENTAL INCENTIVE NOW. WE WILL ALLOW BOTH UNITS, THE PRIMARY UNIT AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO BE RENTED AS LONG AS THE OWNER SIGNS. BASICALLY THEY AGREE NOT TO RENT ONE OF THEM FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS. WE'VE ADDED THIS INCENTIVE TO TRY TO GET MORE LONG-TERM UNITS ON THE MARKET. BUT IF YOU HAVE A PRIMARY UNIT IN AN ADU, ONLY ONE CONCURRENTLY BE USED AS AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AS RICK MENTIONED, WE HAVE REQUIRED THIS REGISTRATION SINCE 2021, AND SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF HOW MANY FOLKS HAVE REGISTERED. WHAT THE STATE ALLOWED IN THIS NEW STATUTE IS THAT WE CAN NOW REQUIRE LICENSING. AS PART OF THE LICENSING YOU CAN REQUIRE THIS INFORMATION. ANN IS GOING TO GET INTO THIS IN A LOT MORE DETAIL BUT THINGS LIKE EMERGENCY CONTACT THAT REQUIRES NOTIFICATION TO NEIGHBORS, THERE CAN BE AN ANNUAL LICENSE FEE, AND THEN THERE CAN BE PENALTIES ASSESSED. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT TONIGHT IN MORE DETAIL. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPLICITLY CANNOT DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WE CANNOT EXCLUDE SHORT-TERM RENTALS FROM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. [02:20:02] ESSENTIALLY, THE STATE HAS SAID EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY IN TERMS OF HOW THEIR RENT IT OUT. WE CAN'T REGULATE OR CAP THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE CANNOT REQUIRE THEM TO BE OWNER-OCCUPIED. THEN AGAIN, THE IDEA IS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TREAT DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT, OTHER THAN ADDRESSING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. WHICH I DO BELIEVE SOME OF THE RULES THAT ARE TIED TO THIS ARE TIED TO THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THE USE UNLIKE A LONG-TERM USE WHERE THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM, YOU CAN GO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR. I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY, IT'S THE IDEA THAT THE TENANT COMES AND GOES, AND SO WHO DO WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ISSUE? NOW I'M TURNING IT OVER BACK TO SARAH, I BELIEVE. >> WE DID HOLD AN OPEN HOUSE OF MARCH IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR TO PRESENT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO THE PUBLIC AND COLLECT THEIR FEEDBACK. THE EVENT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. WE HAD OVER 200 FOLKS ATTEND EITHER IN-PERSON OR ONLINE AND WE DID RECEIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS DURING THAT EVENT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY DURING THAT EVENT, BUT WE DID CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK BY PHONE AND EMAIL, SO WE FELT LIKE WE HAD A PRETTY ROBUST FEEDBACK PERIOD. THERE WERE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO GAVE FEEDBACK. THE FIRST, WE MOSTLY HEARD FROM OWNERS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THOSE COMMENTS TENDED TO CENTER AROUND AN INTEREST IN COLLECTING DATA ON HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE OWNER-OCCUPIED VERSUS NON OWNER-OCCUPIED. THOSE OWNERS WERE INTERESTED IN THE APPEALS PROCESS FOR VERIFIED VIOLATIONS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THEN THEY WERE ALSO INTERESTED IN HOW FREQUENTLY THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION PIECE, AS WELL AS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF EMERGENCY CONTACTS SO THAT THE PERSON THAT'S LISTED AS AN EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WE ALSO AT THAT EVENT HEARD FROM THOSE RESIDENTS WHO EITHER LIVE NEAR OR HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. CONCERNS FROM THAT GROUP MAINLY INCLUDED COMPLAINTS RELATED TO NOISE AND OTHER NUISANCES. THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE HOUSING SUPPLY HERE IN FLAGSTAFF, AND ALSO A DESIRE TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS BUSINESSES. AS DAN NOTED IN HIS LAST SLIDE, THE CITY IS PROHIBITED FROM REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS REALLY IN ANY WAY BEYOND THIS ORDINANCE HERE, THAT'S THE POWER THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY THE STATE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HOW WE'RE ABLE TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I WILL PASS IT BACK TO RICK. >> FROM HERE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE CURRENT DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION FOR US TO BRING BACK IN JUNE. THE FIRST PART IS RELATED TO LICENSING. MOVING FROM A REGISTRATION PROCESS TO AN ACTUAL LICENSING WITH A FEE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE. THE LICENSE SHOULD BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO RENTING YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THROUGH ANY PLATFORM OR SO FORTH. IT'S A SEPARATE LICENSE FOR EACH SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT YOU DO RENT OUT OR PROVIDE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. THE LICENSE IS NOT TRANSFERABLE. IF YOU SELL YOUR PROPERTY, THE NEW OWNER WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND GET THEIR LICENSE TO RUN THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IT DOES NOT TRANSFER. SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US ASSURE PEOPLE GET LICENSING IS THERE IS A PENALTY FOR FAILURE TO HAVE A LICENSE. ONCE WE IDENTIFY THAT YOU ARE ADVERTISING AND RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOUR PROPERTY WILL PROVIDE A NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WE ASKED THEM TO REGISTER WITHIN 30 DAYS. IF NOT THERE COULD BE A PENALTY OF UP TO $1,000 OR EQUAL TO $1,000, NOT UP TO. THE LICENSEE WILL BE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST DO A CALENDAR YEAR IS FROM THE TIME YOU GET YOUR LICENSE, 365 DAYS FROM THERE, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO RENEW AND GET A NEW LICENSE FOR THE NEXT PERIOD. THIS WAY WE CAN UPDATE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE CURRENT CONTACT INFORMATION AND SO FORTH FOR EACH PROPERTY. AS FAR AS THE FEE GOES, THE STATE DID SET A MAXIMUM OF $250 PER SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I WORKED WITH SOME OF OUR STAFF ON THE COST THAT WE PUT TOGETHER RELATED TO PROVIDING THIS OVERSIGHT OF LICENSING AND CODE COMPLIANCE AND WE LANDED ON ABOUT $175 IS WHAT OUR FEE WOULD BE TO LICENSE YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THIS PAYS FOR SOME, A LICENSING STAFF, [02:25:01] A COST, CUSTOMER SERVICE, AS WELL AS SOME A CODE COMPLIANCE AND THE SOFTWARE THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE TO MAINTAIN AND RUN A LICENSING PRODUCT, AS WELL AS THE CREDIT CARD FEES AND SUPPLIES SUCH AS THAT. >> RICK, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT? >> YES, YOU MAY. >> YES, I CAN. [LAUGHTER] THIS FEE OF 175, AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING STAFF, BUT ARE WE SURE THAT THIS COVERS CODE COMPLIANCE? WE HEAR SO MANY COMPLAINTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COVERING ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT GETTING TENANTS OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO OBEY BY OUR CODES AND LAWS WILL BE COVERED BY THIS FEE. >> I DO NEED TO FINE TUNE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT YES, THIS IT DID HAVE SOME HOURS, WEEKLY HOURS, MONTHLY HOURS RELATED TO CODE COMPLIANCE. OF COURSE, CODE PLANS DOES MORE THAN JUST SHORT-TERM RENTALS SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN LOAD ALL THE COST OF A STAFF MEMBER OR SO FORTH. WE LOOK TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME TO USE ON A WEEKLY BASIS, MONTHLY BASIS, AND CALCULATE OVER A YEAR TO GET INTO THIS FIGURE. A COMPONENT OF THAT WAS INCLUDED HERE. IT MAY COME AS WE LEARN THIS PROCESS AND OVER TIME THAT WE ARE ADDING MORE LEVEL OF SERVICE OR COUNCIL MAY WANT TO ADD MORE STAFF TO REALLY MAINTAIN THESE, AND OVER THOSE TIMES, WE MAY HAVE A FEE INCREASE TO COVER THOSE COSTS IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING. >> THE CODE COMPLIANCE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT IT'S DIRECTLY TIED TO THIS ORDINANCE, CORRECT? OR ENFORCING THE LICENSING AND HEALTH AND SAFETY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS? >> YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE SETTING THE FEES FOR A CITY, YOU DO WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIRECT COST. WHAT IS THE TIME INVOLVED, THE OPERATING COSTS SUPPLIED, AS WELL AS SOME OVERHEAD. THERE IS AN OVERHEAD CALCULATION PERCENTAGE FOR CITYWIDE OVERHEAD, THE ACCOUNTING, THE MANAGEMENT SERVICES, ALL THAT, LEGAL AND SO FORTH. WE ADD ON A PERCENTAGE TO THOSE COSTS. IT'S NOT JUST DIRECT, BUT IT'S ALSO THOSE INDIRECT COSTS THAT WE PUT INTO FEES. YOU'RE WELCOME. MY LAST BULLET IS THE OWNER OCCUPIES SHORT-TERM RENTALS WILL ALSO PAY THE SAME FEE AS OFFSITE OWNERS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO REALLY CALCULATE WHERE DIFFERENT FEES COULD STAND FOR OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND WE RECOMMEND STAYING WITH THAT ONE FEE CURRENTLY AND OVER TIME, MAYBE WE COULD ADJUST THAT. BUT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO VERIFY AND ASSURE THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE OWNER-OCCUPIED. IT'S MUCH EASIER WITH THE LEVEL OF SYSTEMS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JESSICA. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS A QUESTION. >> WHEN YOU SAY OWNER OCCUPIED, DOES THAT MEAN A RESIDENCE WITH AN ADU AND THE OWNER LIVES IN ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE OTHER BUILDING WOULD BE RENTED OUT? >> THAT COULD BE ONE EXAMPLE. IT COULD BE THEY'RE RENTING A ROOM OUT WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT IS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, BUT THEY'RE STILL DOING ADVERTISING AND DOING SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR THE ROOM VERSUS A BUILDING POTENTIALLY. >> A PERSON COULD HYPOTHETICALLY JUST RUN OUT ONE BEDROOM? >> YES. >> WITH BATHROOM PRIVILEGES? >> WHAT WAS THAT? >> WITH BATHROOM PRIVILEGES HOPEFULLY? >> THAT IS NOT OUR CALL. [LAUGHTER] WE CANNOT REGULATE THAT PART. [LAUGHTER] >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL JESSICA KID OLSON, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGER OUR TEAM OVERSEES THE CURRENT LICENSE PROCESS FOR EMERGENCY CONTACT REGISTRATIONS. BEFORE YOU HAVE WHAT WE INTEND TO COLLECT AS PART OF THE LICENSE APPLICATION, WE HAVE THE ADDRESS OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER, THE NAME ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS, AND 24 HOUR PHONE NUMBER OF AN EMERGENCY POINT OF CONTACT, WHICH ANYA WILL CLARIFY FURTHER FOR YOU. THE TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE TAX LICENSE NUMBER. A STATEMENT THAT THE OWNER WILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS IS NOT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER, [02:30:01] AND DOES NOT HAVE A FELONY CONVICTION FOR DEATH, SERIOUS INJURY, OR USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON. AN ATTESTATION THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION WILL BE COMPLETED, OR HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, THE PAYMENT OF THE LICENSE FEE, AND THEN PROOF OF LAWFUL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES. BEFORE YOU IS SOME SCREENSHOTS OF OUR CURRENT ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM WHICH LIKE REFERRED TO AS LODGINGREV. WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THIS VENDOR THAT IT CAN BE CONVERTED TO AN ONLINE LICENSING SYSTEM. ALL OWNERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED WILL RECEIVE AN ALERT THAT THERE'S AN OPEN TASK AVAILABLE TO THEM. THERE WILL BE ABLE TO LOGIN TO THEIR BUSINESS CENTER, COMPLETE THE ONLINE FORM, UPLOAD ANY DOCUMENTS, REVIEW THE FEE, AND THEN PAY THE FEE. FROM THERE THEY'LL THEN RECEIVE THE NOTIFICATION THAT THEY HAVE THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE. FINALLY, WE CAN DENY THE LICENSE IF THE APPLICANT FAILS TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION, DOES NOT PAY THE LICENSE FEE, PROVIDES FALSE INFORMATION, OR IF WE FIND THAT THEY ARE A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER, HAS THAT FELONY CONVICTION, AND FOR USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I'M NOW GOING TO PASS IT ON TO ANYA, WHO'S GOING TO GET FURTHER INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE? >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES. >> I THINK IT'S QUICK. I KNOW THAT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE MAILED THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT? >> YES. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE THAT UP NEXT. >> OKAY. I'LL BE QUIET THEN. >> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ON YOUR ANYA WENDELL SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. NOW WE GET TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ISSUE, MAYOR, THE NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION. THIS WAS A KEY PART OF THE LEGISLATION WAS TO LET ALL THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT THERE IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT WHO THEY CAN CONTACT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY. BEFORE OFFERING A UNIT FOR RENT, THE OWNER WILL NEED TO PROVIDE NOTICE AND THE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION TO EACH OF THE UNITS, OR THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO, DIRECTLY ACROSS, OR DIAGONAL FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I KNOW COUNCILMAN PERSON MCCARTHY ASKED THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOMEONE BEHIND YOU, AND YET I THINK THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE ADJACENT CATEGORY. >> I'LL ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICKLY. SINCE WE'RE RIGHT ON POINT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE RIGHT IN BACK OF YOU WOULD BE NOTIFIED BUT ALSO, I HAVE TO TURN MY MIC OFF, BUT I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN THIS AND THIS YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. >> CORRECT. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES. >> THE DIAGONAL BEHIND YOU IS. >> YEAH. I THINK THE WORDING NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. I KNOW HOW YOU LOOK. >> MAYBE WE COULD INCLUDE A PICTURE. >> THERE YOU GO. WE DO IT IN THE ZONING CODE. WHY NOT THIS. >> RIGHT. >> BUT ANYWAY,. >> [OVERLAPPING]. YOU WERE A FORMER ENGINEER I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DRAW IT. >> WELL, I CAN DRAW IT EASY. I MEAN, MAYBE IT CAN BE DONE IN WORDS, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE WORDING ISN'T REAL CLEAR, BECAUSE I READ THE DRAFT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. IF IT'S TWO HOUSES DOWN ON THE NEXT STREET, MAYBE THAT'S NOT WORTH IT BUT THE ONE DIAGONALLY ON THE BACK? YES. >> WE TRY TO TRACK THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK THAT A PICTURE PAINTS 1,000 WORDS, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. WE CAN ADD THAT IN. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE DOES AS WELL. WHAT ABOUT IF THERE'S A NEIGHBOR ON THE STREET WHO WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT THE OWNER ABOUT A DISTURBANCE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MAILED THE INFORMATION, SAY THIS NEIGHBOR WANTS TO AVOID CALLING THE POLICE. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL WAY THAT THE NEIGHBOR COULD COULD FIND THE CONTACT INFORMATION? >> YES. THE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION WILL BE PUBLIC INFORMATION, OR PUBLIC RECORD. WE'VE TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT MAYBE HAVING IN THE FUTURE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS BEING AVAILABLE ON A CITY WEBSITE. THERE ARE SOME CITIES IN THE VALLEY THAT ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT. WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO THAT AT FRONT, [02:35:01] BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT A NEIGHBOR COULD CALL OUR CODE COMPLIANCE, AND GET THAT EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HANSEN, AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. IN THE SAME VEIN AS COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, AND LOOKING AT THE LINE ABOUT THE SAME FLOOR OF A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE UNITS ABOVE AND BELOW, OR IF THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT CAN BE DONE HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HANSEN, VERY ASTUTE NOTICE THERE. WE HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS THAT OFTEN IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE NEXT TO YOU THAT'S BOTHERING YOU BUT IF YOU'RE IN A MULTI-STORY IS THE PEOPLE ON TOP OF YOU THAT ARE JUMPING UP AND DOWN. BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS OF THE STATUTE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT, OR ADDED IN. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I GUESS WE'D WANT TO CONSIDER. CERTAINLY, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, WE ALSO HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES A NEW NOTICE IF THE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION CHANGES, THAT IS ALLOWED BY STATUTE. ALSO WE'RE ASKING THAT A NEW NOTICE BE SENT OUT AT TIME OF LICENSE RENEWAL. THAT JUST HELPS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SOMETIMES YOUR NEIGHBORS CHANGE, RIGHT? PEOPLE MOVE IN, PEOPLE MOVE OUT. IF THEY DIDN'T GET THE NOTICE LAST YEAR, THEN THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEW YEAR TO GET A NEW NOTICE SO THEY KNOW WHO THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS AND WHO THE CONTACT IS. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> THE EMERGENCY CONTACT, DO WE JUST REQUIRE THAT THEY GIVE US A NAME, A PHONE NUMBER, AND AN ADDRESS, AND DO WE REQUIRED THAT THEY RESPOND IN ANY WAY TO OUR COMPLAINTS? BECAUSE I COULD JUST GIVE YOU A PHONE NUMBER, AND IT JUST CALLS. I CAN JUST DO A BURNER PHONE, OR SOMETHING. NOT THAT I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> SEE THE NEXT. >> IS THAT IN THERE AND MAKE SURE. >> WELL, YEAH. YOU BROUGHT IT. THIS IS A NICE SEGUE WAY. THE EMERGENCY CONTACT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE ON A 24-HOUR BASIS, AND THEY MUST BE AVAILABLE IN PERSON, OR BY PHONE WITHIN 60 MINUTES FOR EMERGENCIES THAT REQUIRE POLICE RESPONSE. >> WE HAVE OUR POLICE CHIEF HIDING THERE IN THE BACK. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT EMERGENCY RESPONSES IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HE'S HERE AND COULD SPEAK TO THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS ALSO HAS A QUESTION. >> I DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO ON. TWO QUESTIONS. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE TESTING THAT EMERGENCY CONTACT LIKE AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING TO MAKE SURE THEY ANSWER. I'M JUST KIDDING. [LAUGHTER] BUT MY REAL QUESTION IS AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR THE CHIEF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME NEIGHBORS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I HAVE TWO ON MY STREET AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES WITH. BUT I'VE READ AND LISTEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT WHERE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE RELENTLESSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY LEGITIMATE. HOW DO WE PROTECT THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER FROM BEING HARASSED BY SOMEBODY THAT JUST HATES WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IS JUST GOING TO BUG THEM 24/7? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE FOR HER CHIEF DOES ADDRESS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. WE ALREADY KNOW WHO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN OUR CITY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. THE NICE THING ABOUT HAVING OUR BODY CAMERAS ON OUR OFFICER, WE CAN REVIEW IT AND SEE WHAT'S REASONABLE AND WHAT'S NOT REASONABLE. IF IT DOES CROSS THAT LINE, AND IS A CRIMINAL VIOLATION, WE WILL ADDRESS IT. BUT MOST CASES WE TRY TO PROBLEM-SOLVE RATHER THAN TAKE EXTREME ENFORCEMENT UPFRONT. THESE ARE VISITORS TO OUR COMMUNITIES. NEIGHBORHOODS NEED TO GET ALONG AND THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY WE TRAIN OUR NEW OFFICERS. >> WHAT'S THE LAW OR THE ORDINANCE TO SAY? WELL, YOU CAN'T CALL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE RENTERS NEXT DOOR MORE THAN 20 TIMES A NIGHT OR IS THERE A LINE TO BE THERE? >> THERE IS NO DIRECT LINE IN STATUTE FOR THAT. AT SOME POINT, WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE HARASSING AND YOU'RE MISUSING 911 AND MAKE US THE BAD GUYS, IF YOU WILL. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE WILL GO AND TRY AND PROBLEM-SOLVE AND USUALLY WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT LEAST GETTING THEM TO A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION FOR THE TIME BEING. [02:40:03] >> BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE OWNER DIRECTLY. THEY MAY NOT BOTHER WITH 911 BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT TO CALL AND HARASS THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. >> FOR THAT, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. I KNOW WE'VE HAD PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES CALL US AND EXPRESS FRUSTRATION WITH THE PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE TO CALL AND IF IT DOESN'T CROSS THE LINE INTO BEING HARASSING, THEN UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS THEREIN. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS A QUESTION. >> WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK MS. MATTHEWS BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE HARASSING PEOPLE, JUST THAT COULD HAPPEN. MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, YOU DON'T CALL THAT PERSON. YOU CALL SOMEBODY AT THE CITY AND THEN THE CITY CALLS THAT PERSON. NOW THAT'S MORE WORK FOR THE CITY AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO RAISE THE FEE UP TO $185 INSTEAD OF $175. BUT I THINK LAURIE BRINGS UP A REAL VALID POINT, THAT POTENTIAL FOR HARASSMENT. >> THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. WE DO CURRENTLY UTILIZE A ONLINE COMPLAINT SYSTEM AS WELL AS A HOTLINE THAT NEIGHBORS CAN CALL THAT HOTLINE AND THEN THE HOTLINE REACHES OUT TO THE EMERGENCY CONTACT. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING AS AN OPTION. >> A NEIGHBOR WOULDN'T HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE OFFENDING ADDRESS, THEY WOULD CALL THE HOTLINE AND THEN THE HOTLINE WOULD FOLLOW UP AND SAY CALL THE PROPERTY AND SAY YOU GUYS BETTER BE QUIET OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> CORRECT. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER. IT WOULD GET RID OF THIS POTENTIAL HARASSMENT PROBLEM. >> YOU SAID THAT CONTACT INFORMATION WAS GOING TO BE PUBLIC INFORMATION? ANNA. >> CORRECT. WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE, A COMPLAINT FORM. PEOPLE REACH OUT TO THAT AND THEN THE CITY REACHES OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT YOU'LL NOW HAVE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER IT CAN EITHER PROVIDE HIS OR HER OWN PHONE NUMBER OR AN EMERGENCY CONTACT PHONE NUMBER. EITHER WAY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE EMERGENCY CONTACT PERSON WHO'S AVAILABLE ON A 24-HOUR BASIS. THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS. IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEN HE OR SHE WILL PROVIDE THE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE USED. NOW, I GUESS WE COULD ADD I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, WE COULD ADD A CLAUSE INTER ORDINANCE THAT IF AN EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. THAT IS THE PERSON WHO SHALL BE CONTACTED. >> THE PROPERTY OWNER. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO MAKE THE CITY HOTLINE? OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, IT'S 911 AND SO THE HOTLINE BE THE NUMBER AS A BUFFER, TO THEN CONTACT THE EMERGENCY PERSON. I JUST SEE A NIGHTMARE EVOLVING HERE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FIVE OR 10 NEIGHBORS. >> WELL, RICK, I GUESS YOU'RE RISING UP. >> THANKS FOR THE QUESTIONS ON US. THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT AS A GROUP. DO WE JUST PUBLICIZE THE NUMBERS, THE EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR PEOPLE TO GET A HOLD OF AND GO GET THEM? WE'RE NOT REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATUTE, DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO PUT THOSE OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE. PEOPLE COULD DO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO GET THE LIST OF EMERGENCY CONTACTS WITHIN OUR SYSTEMS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT READILY AVAILABLE. WE CAN HAVE THAT HOTLINE AS A PRIMARY SOURCE FOR PEOPLE TO CONTACT AND WE'VE BEEN USING IT. IT'S BEEN WORKING JUST FINE SO FAR. >> LET ME JUST SUGGEST SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST READ OF THIS, I THINK STAFF IS HEARING THAT THERE'S A CONCERN, AND SO MAYBE NEXT TIME IT'S BROUGHT TO US. IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE, I GUESS, ASSURANCE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS ARE BEING ADDRESSED. IS THAT CLEAR? I'M NOT SURE THAT I SAID THAT VERY CLEARLY. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GET THIS FEEDBACK AND GO BACK AS A GROUP BEFORE WE'RE TALKING IN JUNE. WE DEFINITELY WANT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. [02:45:01] >> WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE IT TONIGHT. I GUESS THAT IS MY POINT. COUNCIL MCCARTHY. >> WELL, I'LL BE BRIEF AND I'LL BE EXPLICIT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ADDRESS SHOULD BE LET OUT TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A BUFFER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF COMMENTS. HOW DO I DO THAT? HOW DO I GET THAT TO THE TEAM? >> YOU COULD ASK THEM NOW. >> CERTAINLY, SARAH LANGLEY HAS BEEN OUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT AND THEN SHE CAN DISTRIBUTE YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE TEAM. >> LET'S DO THAT. JUST NOT HOLD US UP. >> IF I COULD NOTE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I DID NOTICE THAT YOU MENTIONED THIS IS OUR FIRST READ. IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A PRESENTATION TO INVITE THESE QUESTIONS AND INPUT FEEDBACK WHETHER IT'S BY EMAIL OR HERE AT THE DESK TONIGHT. YOU GET THAT OPPORTUNITY AS RICK AND INDICATED TO COME BACK IN JUNE AT THE FIRST READ. THAT'S THE ACTUAL FIRST. >> I DON'T THINK I SAID FIRST READ. I THINK I SAID FIRST. >> SORRY. WELL, I HEARD IT FIRST. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S MY SYMBOL FOR READING. >> THANK YOU. >> TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM HARASSING WHATEVER ORDINANCE WE PUT IN PLACE. AGAIN, AS WRITTEN, OUR ORDINANCE HAS A PENALTY IF YOUR EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION CHANGES AND YOU DON'T UPDATE IT, THEN THERE'S A FINE OF $1,000 FOR EVERY 30 DAYS THAT IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED AFTER THE CITY PROVIDES 30 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE, AND THIS DISTRACTS THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OWNER TO CORRECT INFORMATION BEFORE WE WOULD EVER ASSESS A PENALTY. NOW WHEN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ADVERTISES, THEY WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE NUMBER ON THE ADVERTISEMENT, AS WELL AS THE STATE TRANSACTION PRIVILEGED TEXTS LICENSE NUMBER. WE ALSO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT I NOTICE WE POSTED WITHIN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT, WITHIN LIKE 10 FEET AT THE DOORWAY THAT INCLUDES EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION AND NOTING PROHIBITED USES UNDER THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CODE. THE STATE LAW ALLOWS CITIES TO REQUIRE SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECKS AND LIABILITY INSURANCE. HOWEVER, PER PRIOR COUNCIL DIRECTION, WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THOSE IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. MOVING ON TO PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE DEFINED WHAT IS A VERIFIED VIOLATION. A VERIFIED VIOLATION IS THE KEY FOR EITHER PENALTY OR LICENSE SUSPENSION AND A VERIFIED VIOLATION IS DEFINED BY STATE LAW. IT MEANS A FINDING OF GUILT OR CIVIL RESPONSIBILITY FOR VIOLATING ANY STATE LAW OR LOCAL ORDINANCE RELATING TO A PURPOSE PRESCRIBED IN THE STATE LAW THAT HAS BEEN FINALLY ADJUDICATED. FIRST, WHAT'S FINAL ADJUDICATION? THAT MEANS A FINAL DECISION OF THE COURT OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICER THAT HAS NO FURTHER RIGHT OF APPEAL. EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T WANT TO APPEAL IT OR THEY'VE APPEALED IT ALL THE WAY UP AND THEY CAN APPEAL IT ANY FURTHER. A VERIFIED VIOLATION WILL INCLUDE USING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR A PROHIBITED USE. THAT INCLUDES HOUSING SEX OFFENDERS SELLING ILLEGAL DRUGS, LIQUOR CONTROL VIOLATION, OR UNLAWFUL PORNOGRAPHY, OR OTHER USES IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW OR CITY CODE THAT RELATE TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY HAD STORED A BUNCH OF PAINT IN THE GARAGE THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OF FIRE CODE AND THAT PRESENTED A HEALTH OR SAFETY CONCERN FOR PEOPLE STAYING THERE, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD BE A VERIFIED VIOLATION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION, BUT JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. I'M JUST CONFUSED HOW IT WILL BE A PROHIBITED USE TO HOUSE A SEX OFFENDER IF WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO SCREEN FOR, IF THERE IS SEX OFFENDER. HOW WOULD THEY KNOW AND THEN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? >> FOR THE MOST PART, WE WON'T KNOW IF SEX OFFENDERS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE STAYING IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UNLESS SOMEONE COMPLAINS AND A LOT OF [02:50:04] VIOLATIONS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR ANY RESIDENTIAL USE FOR THAT MATTER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON UNLESS SOMEBODY COMPLAINS. IT WOULD BE ON A COMPLAINT BASIS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS FOR THE CHIEF. I KNOW THROUGH THE NON-PROFIT THAT I RAN THAT SEX OFFENDERS ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY. DOES THAT HOLD TRUE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR JUST MORE LONGER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A LONG-TERM RESIDENCY FACILITY EITHER, BUT THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED BY THEIR PO TO TELL US. >> YOU'RE CORRECT COUNCIL MEMBER MATHEWS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIME,72 HOURS STICKS IN MY HEAD, BUT IT'S 72 HOURS OF MOVING TO A NEW PERMANENT RESIDENCE. I BELIEVE SO. I'M NOT SURE SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD APPLY THERE. >> I ASKED THAT BECAUSE THE FACILITY THAT I RUN IS TRANSITIONAL, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PERMANENT HOUSING. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO NOTIFY US BECAUSE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, WE DON'T ALLOW ANYONE WITHOUT CHARGE OR THE VIOLENT OFFENSE, BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO COME FORTH. >> LET ME RESEARCH THAT AND I'LL SHOOT MAYOR AND COUNCIL AN EMAIL. >> ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE ROUTINELY HEAR IS ON SHOVELED SIDEWALKS OR TRESPASSING. THOSE ARE MORE CODE VIOLATIONS RATHER THAN A SERIOUS OFFENSE, BUT IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE VERIFIED VIOLATION. >> MAYOR DAGGETT, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE. I BELIEVE THAT SNOW SHOVELING IS A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. CERTAINLY, PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF ARE SUPER ACTIVE. THEY WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK WITH THEIR DOGS ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG. WHEN THERE'S ICE ON THE SIDEWALKS OR SNOW ON THE SIDEWALKS, THAT PRESENTS A SAFETY HAZARD. THE STATE LAW, OF COURSE DOESN'T SPELL OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY CODE VIOLATIONS. BUT IN MY VIEW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY RISE TO THAT LEVEL OR COULD RISE TO THAT LEVEL. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SNOW AND FRESH SNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SLIP ON IT >> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON. I THINK I ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT A VERIFIED VIOLATION HAS TO BE FINALLY ADJUDICATED. A LOT OF QUESTIONS WE ASKED WAS WELL, WHEN THE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER IS JUST A CITATION, IS THAT A VERIFIED VIOLATION? NO, THAT'S NOT THAT'S REALLY JUST THE FIRST STEP IN ANY ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. USUALLY THAT'S ALL WE EVER GET TO IS THE CITATION, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER FIXES THE PROBLEM. WHAT ACTUALLY, WHEN A CITATION IS ISSUED, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY EITHER TO FIX IT OR TO APPEAL THE CITATION TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICER. THIS IS A NEW PROCESS THAT THE CITY WILL BE SETTING UP, WHICH IS THAT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICER WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER. THAT PERSON WILL NEED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT PERSON, PROBABLY WITH SOME EXPERIENCE IN ADJUDICATION, WHETHER IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM OR JUST LEGAL SYSTEM. BUT SOMEONE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH BASIC RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE AND DUE PROCESS AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED DURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. THEN AFTER A HEARING IS HELD, THEN THE HEARING OFFICER WILL RENDER A DECISION. THIS NEXT SLIDE DEALS WITH LICENSED SUSPENSION AND WHEN THE CITY MAY SUSPEND A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSED. THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO REVOKE A LICENSE, ONLY SUSPEND ONE FOR UP TO 12 MONTHS. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN THREE VERIFIED VIOLATIONS WITHIN A YEAR, BUT NOT INCLUDING AESTHETIC, SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL OR PARKING VIOLATIONS UNLESS THEY ALSO ARE A SERIOUS THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY. OR THERE'S ONE VERIFIED VIOLATION THAT RESULTS IN SOMETHING HORRIBLE HAPPENING AND IT HAS TO BE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER COMMITED THE HORRIBLE EVENT, SUCH AS SERIOUS INJURY OR WRONGFUL DEATH, KNOWINGLY HOUSING A SEX OFFENDER, ALLOWING PROSTITUTION, OR ALLOWING [02:55:03] THE USE FOR SPECIAL EVENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE REQUIRE PERMIT. MOSTLY LIKE THIS WILL PROBABLY NEVER OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE OWNER THAT'S DOING THESE ACTIVITIES, IT'S WHOEVER IS RENTING IT OUT. I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE MANY LICENSE SUSPENSIONS. >> EXCUSE ME. ONE MOMENT, VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU. JUST REAL QUICK. [NOISE] I JUST DID A CURSORY GOOGLE SEARCH ABOUT SEX OFFENDERS AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A MORE COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER FROM YOU, ANYA AND CHIEF MUSSELMAN. BUT JUST FOR EXAMPLE IT APPEARS THAT AIRBNB REQUIRES BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THEY DO THEIR OWN BACKGROUND CHECK TO MAKE PEOPLE ELIGIBLE FOR RENTAL. THERE IS THAT LEVEL OF FILTER, AT LEAST. ALTHOUGH THEY DO SAY THAT THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE VERIFICATION OF WHATEVER LEVEL OF QUALIFICATION WE MIGHT BE EXPECTING HERE IN FLAGSTAFF. THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE TO LEARN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT BEFORE THE CONVERSATION GOT TOO FAR AWAY. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR ASLAN. I HAVE HEARD THAT AIRBNB DOES SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECKS ON THE BOOKING GUESTS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ON THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY STAY THERE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT VRBO OR OTHER COMPANIES THAT BOOK THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> IF I MAY, I DID ALSO INCLUDE THE QUESTION TO MARIANNE SULLIVAN SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHO ADVISES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SHE'LL BE CHECKING IN WITH ANYA AND I AS WELL. WE'LL GET YOU A MORE COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> I HOPE I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOUR FLOW TOO MUCH ON ANYA. THE QUESTION COULD HAVE COME LATER, BUT I GOT CALLED ON SO. >> NO, I THINK IT'S GREAT. WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND IT HELPS US BRING FORWARD THE BEST ORDINANCE WE CAN. WE DO HAVE PENALTIES IN THE ORDINANCE. IT'LL BE $500 FOR THE FIRST VERIFIED VIOLATION, 1,000 FOR SECOND WITHIN A YEAR AND 3,500 FOR THIRD AND ANY SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION WITHIN A YEAR. AGAIN, THE CITATIONS THAT THE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER ISSUES MAY BE CONTESTED AND THE OWNERS ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING, THE HEARING OFFICER WILL THEN RENDER A DECISION. THEN I'LL TURN THIS BACK TO DAN. THANKS. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, DAN FOLKE. THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, SO WE HAVE THIS UP LIVE RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE IT WAS PROVIDED THROUGH THE LODGING COMPANY. THIS IS SPECIFIC TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. FOLKS CAN COME ON RIGHT NOW, CHOOSE THE COMMUNITY, FILL OUT THESE FORMS. IT LETS YOU CHOOSE FROM A MENU OF THINGS LIKE GARBAGE, PARKING, NOISE AND I HAD AN EARLIER SLIDE. THOSE ARE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT WE ENFORCE COMMUNITY-WIDE. WE DON'T CARE IF IT'S A LONG-TERM RENTAL, SHORT-TERM, OWNER-OCCUPIED, WE RESPOND TO GARBAGE, NOISE, PARKING. REGGIE AND HIS TEAM DURING NORMAL DAYS. THIS WOULD BE THE TOOL THAT WAS MENTIONED. I DO BELIEVE IT'S ROUTED TO REGGIE AND CODE COMPLIANCE, BUT IT'S A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00-5:00. THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO THESE ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER HOURS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT 24-HOUR LINE COMES IN USEFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN IT'S A WEEKEND, IT'S LATE AT NIGHT, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON. I THINK THE PROPERTY MANAGER SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE CONTACTED ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT'S HAPPENING IN REAL TIME. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA. WE WILL CONTINUE TO USE THIS AS THE MAJOR PORTAL FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUES. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? WE HAVE A SEPARATE ONE JUST FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> I DON'T SEE ANY. >> I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. >> HERE WE GO. LAST COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR YOU. AS WE PREPARE TO ROLL OUT OUR LICENSING PROGRAM, PUBLIC AFFAIRS IT'S GOING TO WORK TOGETHER WITH JESSICA AND HER TEAM AND CUSTOMER SERVICE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO BOTH STR OWNERS AND RESIDENTS WHO MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. ONCE WE WORK THROUGH THE THINGS WE IDENTIFIED TONIGHT, AND IF COUNCIL DOES CHOOSE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE WILL PLAN TO EMAIL ALL OF OUR CURRENT REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS ABOUT THE LICENSE REQUIREMENT, AND GIVE THEM A RUNDOWN ON HOW THEY CAN APPLY AND WHEN THEY NEED TO DO SO BY. [03:00:02] THEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY NOT REGISTERED BUT DO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE, WE DO RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION FROM LODGING REV AND THEN JESSICA AND HER TEAM CAN REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS AS WELL, AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE PENALTIES THAT THEY WOULD THEN FACE IF THEY DON'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE. WE WOULD ALSO THEN FOLLOW UP WITH OUR USUAL TOOLS OF SOCIAL MEDIA, RADIO, PRINT MEDIA, ALL THINGS LIKE THAT. THEN WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED A LIST OF INTERESTED PARTIES FOR THIS TOPIC. THAT INCLUDES REALTORS, INSURANCE AGENTS, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AND THEN ALSO LOCAL INTEREST GROUPS SUCH AS THE CHAMBER ANY YOUTH DBA AND GROUPS LIKE THAT. WE WOULD ALSO LET ALL OF THOSE FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THE LICENSE. THEN JUST A QUICK NOTE FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE WATCHING ONLINE, YOU CAN VISIT FLAGSTAFF.AC.GOV/STRL, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE. FOR MORE INFORMATION OR YOU CAN ALSO EMAIL SHORTTERMRENTAL@FLAGSTAFFAZ.GOV TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR TO SIGN UP TO RECEIVE MORE UPDATES AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THAT IS THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. I'LL PASS IT BACK TO YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THIS IS BACK TO THE HOTLINE. WHOEVER. [LAUGHTER] THEN YOU'LL DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO HANDLE IT. FIRST QUESTION IS THAT THIS HOTLINE STAFF, ARE THEY OUR STAFF OR ARE YOU CONTRACTING WITH AN OUTSIDE COMPANY? >> I BELIEVE IT'S A PHONE NUMBER THAT WE ANSWER WE GET I'M ASSUMING IT'S A VOICEMAIL. I'M WRONG. [LAUGHTER] >> IT IS A CONTRACTED VENDOR THAT ANSWERS 24-7. >> THEN THAT VENDOR THEY THEN CONTACT THE OWNER ABOUT WHATEVER ISSUE IS? >> CORRECT. WE HAVE A SCRIPT THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS, THEY'LL REACH OUT. THEY SOMETIMES WILL REACH OUT TO POLICE AND FOLLOW UP WITH BOTH PARTIES. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AN EMERGENT ISSUE, THEN WE'LL GET THE COMPLAINT TO US AND THEN WE'LL REACH OUT. THEY HAVE SOME DISCRETION. >> THIS COMPANY, I'M ASSUME IS A COMPANY THAT DOES THIS FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT CITIES AND STUFF WHO ARE DOING THIS. THEY'VE GOT SOME PROFESSIONAL TRAINING AND THEY THINK THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. >> YES. I'LL JUST ADD WE ARE ABLE TO LISTEN TO RECORDINGS OF THE CALLS FOR QUALITY CONTROL. >> GREAT. THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS THAT WHAT TWO QUESTIONS? FIRST OF ALL, JUST A THOUGHT ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A WHOLE BIG LONG DISCUSSION. YOU ALL CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT THAT'S A CONCERN AND SOMEBODY WILL ADDRESS THAT I'M ASSUMING OR FIGURE OUT HOW THEY MIGHT DEAL WITH THAT. THEN THE LAST QUESTION AND THIS IS PROBABLY A STERLING QUESTION OR ANYA QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE WHO. ONE OF THE SLIDES TALKED ABOUT INSURANCE AND THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO REQUIRE ANY LIABILITY INSURANCE. MOST OF US AT OWN HOMES, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME INSURANCE, PROBABLY THROUGH OUR MORTGAGE OR SOMETHING. THEN MY QUESTION RELATED TO THE INSURANCE PIECE WAS THAT IF FOR EXAMPLE SOMEONE RENTED A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF AN ACCIDENT AND THERE WAS NOT ANY INSURANCE, COULD WE BE LIABLE AS A CITY FOR NOT REQUIRING THAT BUSINESS TO HAVE AN INSURANCE? I MIGHT BE OVERTHINKING IT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE HERE IS THE THING. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE THAT THERE'LL BE AN INSURANCE REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MORTGAGE ANYMORE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD HAVE INSURANCE SERVED. SUDDENLY YOU'D HOPE TO HAVE INSURANCE IF YOU HAD AN ASSET, BUT INSURANCE IS REQUIRED FOR MORTGAGE. THE STATE LAW ALLOWS THE CITY TO CHART TO REQUIRE UP TO $500,000 IN GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COULD REQUIRE. >> IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE WOULDN'T BE LIABLE IF WE DIDN'T REQUIRE? >> NO, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE. >> RIGHT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET. >> THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON, ARE WE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY? THEY'RE DOING THEIR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW AS WELL, AND ARE WE MAKING SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING? >> TO BE HONEST, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE LATEST COUNTY ORDINANCE AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS SEEN OURS. [03:05:05] I BELIEVE THEY ARE WATCHING US RIGHT NOW ONLINE, AND SO WE WILL COORDINATE THAT. I DO KNOW THAT PATRICE HORSEMEN SAID THAT DOREEN HAD WORKED ON AN ORDINANCE AND THAT IT WAS GOOD, AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE NOTES. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR CREATIVITY IN OUR ORDINANCES, THEY REALLY PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO CONFORM WITH THE STATE LAW; BUT CERTAINLY WE DO WANT TO COORDINATE. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN THE CITY ORDINANCE AND THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND THEN AT LEAST YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU. >> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. >> THANKS. >> I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SO I'M GOING TO START TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU THINK OF ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, YOU CAN ASK THEM AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. LET ME REMIND YOU, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, WE NEED A COMMENT CARD, YOU CAN GET THEM IN THE BACK AND THEN YOU GIVE THEM TO THE CITY CLERK UP HERE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU'LL SEE A CLOCK THAT'S RIGHT HERE. FIRST COMMENT IS BETH NICELY. >> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BETH NICELY TUCKER. THAT TAKES IT OFF YOUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE IT'S A TOUGH ONE TO PRONOUNCE. I'M A 46-YEAR RESIDENT OF FLAGSTAFF. I'M GOING TO READ MY STATEMENT. LIKE MANY FLAGSTAFF RESIDENTS, I'VE FOUND WAGES STAY HERE RATHER THAN TAKING ON A SECOND OR A THIRD JOB. MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH BEEN EMPLOYED, WE HAD GREAT JOBS, WE'RE BOTH RETIRED. BUT FIRST OF ALL, I HAD A LONG-TERM RENTAL NEARBY FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS AND 11 YEARS AGO, I SHIFTED TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL USING AIRBNB'S PLATFORM, WHICH HAS BEEN SO MUCH MORE REWARDING AND LESS MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE THAN ALL THE YEARS THAT I DID LONG-TERM RENTALS. I REALLY ENJOY IT. I BELIEVE THAT TRAVELERS ENRICH OUR CITY AND THEY DESERVE TO CHOOSE THE TYPE OF LODGING THAT BEST SUITS THEM. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THEM. I HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WANT TO GIVE TO THE STAFF. I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO BE PROACTIVE IN GENERATING AN STR LICENSE BECAUSE HOSTS NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND THEY ALSO NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE HOST TO HOST POLICING IN COMMUNICATIONS, TAKING SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF HERE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR TO ME HAS AN STR AND THEN RATHER THAN CALL THE CITY, I CALL THE STR OWNER AND HAVE TALKED TO HIS RENTERS WHEN THEY LEFT AN UNWATCHED FIRE PIT DURING WINDY DAYS. I HAVE TO SAY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S THE GREATEST MOST FREQUENT VIOLATION I HAVE SEEN. AS A HOST, I REALLY AM FIRM WITH MY RENTERS NOT TO HAVE ACCESS TO FIRE. LIKEWISE, WHEN I HAD A LOCAL RENTER WHOSE VOLUME DISTURBED BY NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR CALLED ME AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE RENTER. IT'S DEPENDENT ON US AS HOSTS TO BE RESPONSIBLE. I HAVE MY COMMENT ABOUT THE LICENSING FEE, MY HUSBAND PAYS EIGHT DOLLARS FOR A CITY LICENSE TO CONDUCT COUNSELING SERVICES. I HOPE WHATEVER FEE THE CITY LEVELS TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND SETS A JUSTIFIABLE AND EQUITABLE FEE. I HAVE TO SAY, I PAY 11, 12% CITY TAXES, SO THE VIP IS THAT MUCH. [NOISE] >> THANK YOU, BETH. >> CAN I FINISH THAT REAL QUICK. THE CAUTION ABOUT POSTING ON THE RENTAL WITHIN 10 FEET, I JUST CAUTION YOU ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN INCIDENCES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED FOR THAT KIND OF PROPERTY, IDENTIFIED SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES, AND HAVE HAD CROHN'S [OVERLAPPING]. >> MAYOR, SORRY, [03:10:02] THE LIMIT IS THREE MINUTES AND IF YOU WANT TO EXTEND THAT FOR EVERYONE, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S THREE MINUTES UNDER THE RULES AND PROCEDURE. >> I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY. TO ANYONE WHO COMMENTS TO US, YOU CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL TO COUNCIL AND STAFF WILL SEE THAT AS WELL. TIM TRZASKA. >> TRZASKA. YOU CAN SKIP THE Z AND HOLD ON, WHICH THROW THE CONSONANCE OUT THERE. I'LL BE BRIEF. I'VE OWNED RENTAL HOUSING SINCE 2009. LIKE THIS LADY, I TURNED IT INTO AIRBNB. I PREVIOUSLY RENTED TO COLLEGE KIDS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BUT THE POLICE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM FINDING ME AT ANY GIVEN TIME, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT MY NUMBER, WHEN THE COLLEGE KIDS WERE A PROBLEM. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT POSTING THE NUMBER. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXPENSE FOR THE CITY AND I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO LAND PRODUCTIVE RESULTS BECAUSE AS I SAID, WHEN THE COLLEGE KIDS MISBEHAVED, THE POLICE CALLED ME AT HOME AND WOKE ME UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SAID, YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING. WITH THAT SAID, I AGREE WITH THIS LADY, DOING AIRBNB MY PROPERTY, YOU CAN WALK INTO IT SEVEN YEARS LATER, I THINK I CONVERTED IT, AND FRANKLY, IT LOOKS BRAND NEW. IT GETS CLEANED 150, 200 TIMES A YEAR. THE GUESTS RESPECT IT, THEY TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE PROPERTY. I ONLY RENT TO GUESTS WHO HAVE PRIOR RECOMMENDATIONS. I HAVE ONE OF MY THREE UNITS, I HAVE A LONG-TERM RENTER WHO QUITE FRANKLY, I TRY TO BE SOMEWHAT PHILANTHROPIC. THE AIRBNBS DO VERY WELL. I GAVE HIM ABOUT $500 A MONTH CUT IN RENT. HE TAKES OUT THE TRASH, HE PICKS THE WEEDS, HE TAKES CARE OF THINGS THERE. AIRBNB AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT BAD. I'VE PAID OVER $30,000 IN SALARIES JUST IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. I PAY MY CLEANING LADIES 30 BUCKS AN HOUR, I PAY TAXES ON WHAT IS EASILY $80,000 A YEAR IN TAXABLE INCOME TO THE CITY THROUGH THE AIRBNB. IF I TURN THOSE BACK INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS, THAT TAX REVENUE IS GONE. PLUS, I DON'T NEED A CLEANING LADY ANYMORE. THAT QUITE FRANKLY, HAS TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS, SHE'S A SINGLE MOM, HELPS HER OUT. ON THE SEX OFFENDERS THING, I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING TO WHAT, THE VICE MAYOR SAID, AIRBNB TELLS ME THEY QUALIFY PEOPLE, I HAVE TO TRUST THAT. YOU'RE HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK I CAN LEGALLY SAY TO SOMEONE, ARE YOU A SEX OFFENDER? IF YOU ARE, I WILL NOT RENT TO YOU. I DON'T THINK I CAN DO THAT IN FAIR HOUSING LAWS. ALSO MS. MATTHEWS, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY A DIFFERENCE IN SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR NUMBER ON A WEBSITE, BUT YOU GOT TO POST IT AT THE DOOR OF THE BUILDING. I HAVE A TON MY PROPERTIES RIGHT DOWNTOWN, I'LL GUARANTEE YOU. I ASK MY LONG-TERM RENTAL ONE DAY, HOW MANY COLLEGE KIDS DO YOU THINK WALK THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY AND THEY SAID, IT'S AT LEAST 300 A DAY. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER POSTED RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY FOR SOMEONE TO HARASS OR CALL OR PITCH A FIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. >> THANK YOU. STAFF, I BELIEVE I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THAT NUMBER IS POSTED INSIDE AND IT'S FOR THE RENTERS WHO ARE RENTING THE UNIT. WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS ONLINE AS WELL. >> YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR FIRST COMMENTER IS GEORGE. GEORGE, GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE AND YOU MAY GIVE YOUR COMMENTS TO COUNCIL. GEORGE, ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE NOW? GEORGE, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLIE BLAIR. ELLIE, ARE YOU READY TO SPEAK? >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. [NOISE] GEORGE PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF. GREAT. GO AHEAD, ELLIE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I HAVE MIDTERM RENTALS, SO MEANING I RENT FOR 30 DAYS OR MORE, IT'S MAINLY TO TRAVEL NURSES. I GOT A LETTER FOR THIS ORDINANCE FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT I NEEDED TO SUBMIT EVERYTHING AND REGISTER. NOW MY PROPERTY WAS FLAGGED BECAUSE I DO ADVERTISE IT ON AIRBNB. BUT AGAIN, I ONLY RENTED ONLY FOR 30 DAYS OR MORE. [03:15:02] I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT THAT I'D LIKE THERE TO BE A SYSTEM IN PLACE SO THAT I CAN NOT HAVE MY PROPERTY ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LIST WHEN IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I CALLED AND WAS TOLD THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT BECAUSE I'M ADVERTISING ON AIRBNB. SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO PRESENT TO US, CAN YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE AND BRING WHATEVER INFORMATION TO US? TERRIFIC MAYOR, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GEORGE. GEORGE, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND PLEASE UNMUTE? [NOISE] GEORGE, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR LIVE STREAM? GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER, THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. THERE'S STRANGE THINGS WITH MY COMPUTER. IF YOU HEAR ME, I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION. WHAT IS THE STATISTICAL DATA ABOUT COMPLAINTS, FALSE COMPLAINTS, AND POLICE CALL RELATED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS? IS THERE ANY CONCRETE DATA ABOUT THIS? THAT'S MY QUESTION AND I KEPT ONE COMMON, BUT FIRST I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE ANSWER. ONCE YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT, AND THEN WHEN COUNCIL FOLLOWS UP WITH STAFF, AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL MAKE SURE THAT QUESTION GETS ANSWERED. GEORGE, COULD YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT? [BACKGROUND] MAYOR, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC COMMENTER WHO IS MIKE BLAND? MIKE, COULD YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND PLEASE GIVE YOUR COMMENTS TO COUNCIL? HELLO, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR DILIGENCE ON THIS ISSUE, PROTECTING BOTH THE OWNER AND THE RENTER IN THE CITY. MY COMMENT IS OUR QUESTION AND COMMENT TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH, PLEASE. THE PENALTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH FINES AND THINGS LIKE NOISE, ETC. I'M WONDERING IF THOSE ARE COMMENSURATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ALSO. IS IT THE SAME FINE STRUCTURE FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER VERSUS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO THROWS A HUGE PARTY AND CAUSES PROBLEMS? WHY I BRING THAT UP IS THAT I AM A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER, ALTHOUGH OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY SEVERAL MONTHS OF THE YEAR. THE NEIGHBOR WHO WAS A OWNER HAD DOGS WHO BARKED BRUTALLY ALL NIGHT OFTEN AND I GOT BAD REVIEWS AS FAR AS MY PROPERTY BECAUSE THE OWNER HAD THESE BARKING DOGS THAT CAUSED PROBLEMS FOR OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EVER ANYTHING THAT CAME DOWN ON THAT PROPERTY OWNER. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FINING PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE YOU HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTAL, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE EQUIVALENT BECAUSE I THINK THE CITY MIGHT BE OPENING ITSELF TO A LEGAL CAN OF WORMS IF THOSE WERE NOT EQUIVALENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE A RESPONSE TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS. TERRIFIC, MAYOR, WE NEXT HAVE JAKE. JAKE, COULD YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF AND GIVE YOUR COMMENT? HELLO, GOOD EVENING. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO [NOISE] THANK THE COUNCIL FOR ADDRESSING CONCERNS, FOR HAVING OUR INFORMATION PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. THERE WAS A CONCERN OF MINE, AND I LIKED THE IDEAS I HEARD ABOUT HAVING THAT BUFFER IN THERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN VIGILANTE FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM GROUPS IN THE STATE THAT TEND TO TRY TO HARASS STR OPERATORS, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT THE STAFF COMES UP WITH AS A SOLUTION TO TRY TO CREATE SOME BUFFER. QUESTION IS, WILL THE STR REGISTRATION APPLY TO TENANTS AS WELL OR OWNERS ONLY? [03:20:09] JUST A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, I HAVE A PROPERTY THAT I RENT AND I HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER TO SUBLEASE IT WHEN I AM NOT AT THE PROPERTY AND USING IT. IF I'M OUT OF TOWN OR NOT USING THE PROPERTY, I HAVE PERMISSION TO SUBLEASE IT ON AIRBNB FOR SHORT-TERM GUESTS. THANK YOU. WE WILL ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, WE CAN GO BACK TO GEORGE. TERRIFIC WILL GO TO GEORGE AT THE END. [OVERLAPPING] YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD GEORGE AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS. IT'S A LITTLE COMMENT. I WAS LISTENING FOR A LONG TIME ALL THIS SESSION WITH DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND OTHER THINGS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL MAYOR. JUST BEFORE THIS SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THERE WAS A MOUNTAIN LINE BUS BUSINESS, WHICH REQUIRES A LOT OF INVESTMENT AND ALL OTHER THINGS. AIRBNB IS VERY STRICT COMPANY WHICH SELECT THE BEST POSSIBLE HOSTS AND VRBO THE SAME. WE JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL LAYER OF CONTROL, WHICH PROBABLY HAS SENSE, BUT I WANT TO MENTION THAT THESE BUSINESSES, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, GIVE MONEY, BIG MONEY TO CITY, AND OF COURSE, THOSE WHO PROVIDE. WE ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE AIRBNB. BASICALLY, I THINK THE MORE FAIR WOULD BE TO REGULATE THE AIRBNB AND VRBO INSTEAD OF US WHO ARE JUST THE HOSTS. IT'S LIKE AN UBER, SO THE DRIVER IS NOT REALLY DOING BUSINESS, BUSINESS IS UBER, SAME WITH AIRBNB. IF YOU NEED MORE TAXES, I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR. BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, IT'S OPENING PANDORA BOX BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVACY ISSUES WITH ALL THESE REGULATIONS YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT, AND I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS BECAUSE IT WAS WORKING VERY GOOD. I HAVE BUSINESS SINCE 2018 AND I'M A RESIDENT OF FLAGSTAFF SINCE '92 SO 30 YEARS. I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS, AND ALL I HAVE IS PROBLEMS WITH MY NEIGHBORS BUT NOT WITH THE GUESTS. THAT'S END OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE-BYE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTER, STACY? MAYOR, WE HAVE TWO MORE. PATRICK MOWER, COULD YOU PLEASE UNMUTE AND GO AHEAD? HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK FOR SHORT TIME HERE. I ATTENDED THE MARCH MEETING AND FOUND IT TO BE VERY INFORMED. I WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERSON FOR A WHILE AND THEN HAVE SINCE STOPPED. [NOISE] I JUST WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE IN ALL THE WAYS THAT IT IS. IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IN THE PAST, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. I HAVE NO ONE TO CALL, I HAVE KNOW WHAT TO DO, I CAN CALL THE POLICE, I GUESS. THAT'S HARD TO DO. THE OWNER OF OUR RESIDENCE, SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEAR WHERE I LIVE IS NOT IN THIS TOWN, LIVES IN PHOENIX, COMES UP ONCE IN A WHILE, HERE AND THERE. BUT THIS IS DIFFICULT, SO WE NEED A PLACE TO GO AND PEOPLE TO CALL. BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES THAT THESE RENTALS ARE PERFECTLY FINE AND THERE'S OTHER TIMES THAT THERE IS SOMEONE THAT COMES UP IN THE GARAGE DOORS OPEN AND THERE'S A PARTY GOING ON, AND IT GETS NOISY AND YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I APPRECIATE IT, I HAVE SOMEONE TO CALL, AND SEE THAT THAT COULD BE STOPPED. AN IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS KNOWING THIS, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER AND SUPPORT THE PERSON WHO IS THE OWNER TO CREATE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RENTERS IN THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, WE HAVE MARY LAST. MARY, COULD YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR COMMENT? >> HI, MY NAME IS ACTUALLY ERIC. THAT'S IT. THIS IS MY WIFE'S ACCOUNT, MARY. BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO STEP IN AND JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OFF, THANKS MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND THANKS FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THE LICENSING PROCESS WITH THIS. [03:25:03] MY WIFE AND I HAVE OWNED A VACATION RENTAL IN FLAGSTAFF FOR 12 YEARS NOW. WE JUST OWN THE ONE AND WE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED IT AS A RENTAL. BUT THAT BEING SAID, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED IN THE VACATION RENTAL MARKET, AND WE DO ACTUALLY HEAR A LOT OF TERRIBLE STORIES ABOUT OTHER OWNERS WHO ARE JUST MISTREATING THEIR NEIGHBORS AND DON'T NECESSARILY EVEN KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE ACTUALLY ARE NOT LOCAL. OR OFTENTIMES, NOT EVEN RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND NEVER MIND FLAGSTAFF. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND OUT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS LICENSING PROJECT, IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE IF IN THIS PROCESS OF LICENSING, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA AND I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A FEE FOR IT. IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE TO SEE IF IN THIS PROCESS COULD WE SOMEHOW RECORD WHETHER OR NOT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERING FOR THEIR LICENSE ARE ACTUALLY ARIZONA RESIDENTS FOR ONE IN FLAGSTAFF RESIDENTS. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE FEE THAT COULD BE CHARGED, WHICH THAT LIMIT BEING AT $250. I WONDER IF THAT FEE COULD BE HIGHER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NON-RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA, AND MAYBE OUTSIDE OF THAT, PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT RESIDENTS OF FLAGSTAFF ITSELF. PART OF MY REASON FOR THAT IS IF YOU DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE AIRBNB, VRBO SITES, EVEN BOOKING.COM TO LOOK AT MY COMPETITION IN THE MARKET, OTHER OWNERS AND JUST SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME PEOPLE'S LISTINGS, IT WILL SHOW YOU, ESPECIALLY ON AIRBNB, THAT THEY HAVE OTHER LISTINGS AND THAT COULD BE 10,12,15,20 LISTINGS, AND YOU'LL OFTEN NOTICE THAT IN THESE PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THEMSELVES, THEY'LL SAY, I DON'T LIVE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA BUT I JUST LOVE IT, AND I OWN THESE VACATION RENTALS. I OWN 20 VACATION RENTALS IN FLAGSTAFF BECAUSE I LOVE IT SO MUCH. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT PERSON WHERE THAT REVENUE, NOT ONLY IN THE STATE BUT NOT IN FLAGSTAFF AT ALL, SHOULD PAY THE SAME FEE FOR THEIR LICENSING AS ANY FLAGSTAFF RESIDENT PERSONAL OPINION THERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THAT RESEARCH COULD BE DONE. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY WITHOUT TAKING UP TOO MUCH TIME, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOR THE LICENSING PROCESS TO LEARN SOME DATA AND INFORMATION IN GENERAL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO REQUEST THAT PEOPLE SAY WHAT DATE THE STR BEGAN SO THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING THEIR LICENSES NOW, WE COULD ACTUALLY DATE AND SAY, OH, THIS PERSON STARTED TWO YEARS AGO, OR FIVE YEARS AGO, OR 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO WITH A SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL. I THINK THAT. >> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? >> MAYOR I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LAST ONE ONLINE. >> THANK YOU. I SAW STAFF OVER HERE TAKING LOTS OF NOTES AND SO I ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE CHIEF. FOR THE FIRST QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON COMPLAINTS? DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, SHANNON ANDERSON HAS SAID THAT WE DON'T SPLIT OUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS FROM REGULAR COMPLAINTS. CORRECT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU ARE APPROACHING THAT HOME? >> YES, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH RESIDENCES ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, LONG-TERM RENTALS OR FAMILY RENTALS OR FAMILY RESIDENCES, SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE SPECIFIC TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS BY THEMSELVES. >> I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT. SINCE WE'VE BEEN USING THE ONLINE FORM AND THE HOTLINE, WE'VE HAD 210 COMPLAINTS, SO THIS IS SINCE JANUARY OF 2021. WE'VE HAD 182 UNIQUE PROPERTIES RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, MAJORITY ARE NOISE, PARKING TRASH, AND THEN NOTE 35 OF THOSE WE DID TRACK. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS SO FAR. THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT FINES AND WHETHER IT'S COMMISERATE WITH OWNERS. THAT WAS THE SLIDE WHERE YOU WENT INTO ADJUDICATED COMPLAINTS AND HOW MUCH THE FINES COULD BE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. THE STATUTE REFERS TO THEM AS ENHANCED PENALTIES. [03:30:04] THERE ARE PENALTIES THAT ARE ON THE OWNER IN ADDITION TO OTHER FINDS THAT MIGHT BE IMPOSED. FOR INSTANCE IF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERSON WHO'S STAYING THERE, THE PERSON RUNNING THE HOUSE STAYS THERE, IT GETS LIKE A NUISANCE PARTY VIOLATION. THAT PERSON COULD BE CHARGED DIRECTLY OR NOISE VIOLATION WOULD BE CHARGED DIRECTLY. BUT IF THE OWNERS STARTED TO GETTING THESE VERIFIED VIOLATION, IF THERE WERE MULTIPLE ONES AT THE HOUSE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OWNER COULD BE CHARGED A SEPARATE FEE. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMPLETELY CLEAR ON ON THAT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF A PROPERTY OWNER WAS CITED FOR REPEATED VIOLATIONS, THEY TOO COULD RECEIVE A FINE? >> THESE ARE OWNER PENALTIES UNDER THIS ORDINANCE. THE $500, THE FIRST VERIFIED VIOLATION, THE 1,000 FOR THE SECOND AND SO FORTH. >> I BELIEVE HIS QUESTION WAS, DO HOMEOWNERS WHO AREN'T RENTING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, IF THEY WERE TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS? IS THERE A FINE OF PENALTIES SYSTEM FOR PROPERTY OWNERS NOT SEPARATE FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL? >> I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BARKING DOG ORDINANCE AND THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR HAVING A BARKING DOG. WE HAVE DIFFERENT UNDER CITY CODE, WE HAVE VARIOUS FINES OR PENALTIES FOR ALL DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ALL EQUIVALENT ARE ALL THE SAME. >> THANK YOU. THEN THE THIRD QUESTION THAT I WROTE DOWN WAS REGARDING SUB-LEASES OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO CALLED IN AND SAID THAT HE RENTS OUT HIS PARTNER IN OR WHATEVER IT IS WITH PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND HOW THAT WOULD BE HANDLED. >> SURE, SO THE NEW ORDINANCE HAS A DEFINITION OF AN OWNER FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND THAT MEANS ANY PERSON WHO ALONE OR WITH OTHERS HAS TITLE OR INTERESTS IN THE PROPERTY DWELLING UNIT WITH OR WITHOUT ACTUAL POSSESSION, SO THAT LESSEE HAS A PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY. IN MY OPINION, THAT LESSEE COULD BE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER. IF THAT'S THE WAY THE LANDLORD STRUCTURED IT AND THE TENANTS STRUCTURE OF IT. >> THAT PERSON MAY NEED TO GET A LICENSE AS WELL TO CONTINUE DOING THAT IF THEY ADVERTISE ON AIRBNB AND VRBO? >> CORRECT. IN THAT CASE, IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER HIMSELF IS NOT OPERATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS THE LESSEE IS OPERATING OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND SO THAT LESSEE WOULD GET THE LICENSE. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M IN THE ORDINANCE OR RULES CODES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS MAY SOUND ODD TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FACILITY NEAR YOU. WE DO, AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL EXCEPT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DON'T LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF DON'T UNDERSTAND CROWS [LAUGHTER]. YOU HAVE A LONG WEEKEND, I GUESS. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. THEY OVERSTUFFED THEIR TRASH CAN AND THE CROWS JUST GO IN THERE AND SHREDDED ALL OVER THE STREET, SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ADD THAT TO THEIR ROLES OR ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER THAT THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THEIR RENTERS THE LID HAS TO BE SHUT DOWN ON THE TRASH. THAT IS, WE DON'T COMPLAIN TO BE COMPLAINERS ABOUT IT, BUT THAT IS OUR INTERNAL COMPLAINT THAT THE CROWS COME. OUR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BIRD ISSUE, BUT IT IS A BIG ISSUE. AND NO ONE WHO LIVES HERE WOULD OVERSTAFF THEIR TRASH CAN AND LEAVE THE LID OPEN BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT MAKES SENSE? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE CROSSHAIR, THEY'RE SMART BUGGERS? >> WE DO, BUT PEOPLE THAT OWN SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, THEY HAVE NO IDEA. >> RIGHT NOW, IN THE NOTICE THAT WILL BE POSTED INSIDE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, [03:35:01] WE AS OUR ORDINANCES DRAFTED THE MANAGEMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL NOTICE THAT'S POSTED INSIDE AND SO ON ALONG WITH PROHIBITED USES, WE COULD INCLUDE, BY THE WAY, YOUR LID NEEDS TO BE ALL THE WAY DOWN SO THAT ANIMALS AND CROWS ARE NOT GETTING INTO IT. THE NOTICE ITSELF WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF SO THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN FORM OF NOTICE. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE LICENSING PROCESS, IS THAT A NOTICE WILL BE PROVIDED THAT THEY CAN POST. >> THANK YOU. I'M JUST GUESSING THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT TRASH IS NOT ABOUT THE RENDERS THROWING TRASH ALL OVER. IT'S AFTER THEY LEAVE, BEFORE THE HOUSEKEEPERS COME OR BEFORE THIS TRASH SERVICE PICKS UP THOSE THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND IT JUST GETS SPREAD ALL OVER, SO I THINK IT'D BE REALLY VALUABLE TO HAVE THAT IN THERE. IT'D PROBABLY CUT DOWN ON A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. >> COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT JUST A POINT. GOING BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT SUBLEASING AND I THINK YOU'VE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT THE SUBLEASE OR MAYBE THE OWNER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS LONG AS THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD WITH THE OWNER ALLOWED FOR THAT AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR THAT TO BE CLARIFIED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE DOES NOT SUPERSEDE A LEASE AGREEMENT. THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS OUT OF CURIOSITY WHEN WE WERE ON THE SLIDE TALKING ABOUT THE ONLINE COMPLAINT SYSTEM, I JUST WENT TO THE SITE JUST TO CHECK IT OUT AND PUT IN MY ADDRESS, I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, AND TWO THINGS CAME UP. WHY MY LANDLORD DOES NOT ALLOW SUBLEASING. THAT'S TWO THAT ARE REGISTERED [LAUGHTER] IN THAT SYSTEM THAT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE AND I WONDER HOW WE MAKE THAT CLEAR TO FOLKS THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU REGISTER FOR THIS OR PAY THIS LICENSE FEE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE SUPERSEDING A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY PERMITTED USE. >> THANK YOU. WE COULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, LIKE THE INFORMATIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL WEBSITE, BUT WE COULD ALSO TRY TO CLARIFY THAT IN THE ORDINANCE IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? >> SURE, MAYOR. JUST REAL QUICK. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP. LET'S SAY THERE'S A FINE. THAT FINE IS ASSESSED ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S REGISTERED AS THE OWNER OR THE ADDRESS BECAUSE I COULD SEE CONTINUED PROBLEMS WHERE THE PERSON REGISTERED WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SWITCHES TO A SPOUSE OR SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY TO AVOID THAT ESCALATING FINE STRUCTURE, COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICKLY? I'M SURE IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THE ADDRESS. >> VICE MAYOR ASLAN, IT WOULD BE THE OWNER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHALL APPLY FOR THE LICENSE. RIGHT NOW, THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS STRUCTURED, IF THE OWNER CHANGES, THEN THEY HAVE TO GET A NEW LICENSE. I GUESS THEY COULD GET NEW LICENSES, BUT THEN THEY'D NEED TO PAY THE NEW LICENSE APPLICATION FEE. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOT OUR BASES COVERED THERE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ASK. >> THANK YOU FOR THINKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WHERE THERE'S ABILITY TO DEBATE AND SOME THINGS, PEOPLE WILL TRY TO DO THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. >> I DID, IT'S BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A [LAUGHTER] COUPLE OF COMMENTS. ONE IS I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE. TWO, I DO AGREE WITH MS. MEMBER HOUSE'S COMMENT THAT WE SHOULD NOTIFY, LIKE IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING OR A CONDO THE ABOVE AND THE BELOW. THREE, REGARDING THE CRIMINAL RECORD PROVISION, I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR, IS THAT APPLY TO THE LANDLORD OR DOES THAT APPLY TO THE RENTERS THAT MIGHT ONLY BE THERE ONE NIGHT. THAT ONE IS A QUESTION. >> LET'S SEE. [03:40:12] THE SIXTH AND DEFENDER IS IN TWO SITUATIONS. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. THE LICENSE APPLICATION SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH AND THEN EACH OWNER IS NOT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER AND HAS NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANY FELONY THAT RESULTED IN DEATH OR SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY, OR HAS NOT USED FELONY USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. THE OWNER CANNOT BE THE SEX OFFENDERS. THEN THERE'S A SECOND ONE WHERE THE CITY COULD REQUIRE, BUT CURRENTLY IT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT THE OWNER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONDUCT A SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE BOOKING GUEST IS NOT A SEX OFFENDER. >> THAT'S NOT IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE? >> CORRECT. RIGHT NOW IN OUR DRAFT ORDINANCE THE LICENSE SAYS YOU CAN'T BE A SEX OFFENDER IF YOU'RE GOING TO OWN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS SEX TRAFFICKING, BUT THEN WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE BOOKING GUESTS. >> I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED NOW. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ANOTHER QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY IF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WANTED TO FILE A COMPLAINT THAT HE OR SHE WOULD KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IF THEY WERE NOT ONE OF THOSE, LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. WILL THERE BE SOMETHING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RENTAL OR WILL THERE BE A WEBSITE BECAUSE THE PERSON HAS SAY, THREE DOORS DOWN MAY WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO FILE IT WITH? >> THE WAY THE STATUTE IS WRITTEN IS THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER NEEDS TO SEND OUT A NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION TO THOSE PEOPLE ADJACENT TO DIRECTLY ACROSS, SO IT'S NOT TO THE PERSON THREE DOORS DOWN. >> LET ME REPHRASE THIS. THE DRAFT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET NEXT DOOR SHOULD BE NOTIFIED. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WAY THAT SOME PERSON THAT ISN'T ON THERE TO BE NOTIFIED LIST WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHO TO CONTACT SHORT OF CALLING THE POLICE. THAT'S MY STATEMENT. AND THAT WAS MY LAST POINT. >> THANK YOU. AND GUESS IF THAT NEIGHBOR KNOWS THAT IT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY COULD CONTACT OUR HOTLINE THAT WE HAVE. >> HOW WOULD A PERSON KNOW WHAT THE HOTLINE NUMBER IS, WHETHER IT'D BE ON THE WEBSITE OR. >> IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. >> OR IF THEY CALLED 911, THE 911 OPERATOR COULD SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU CALL SUCH AND SUCH A NUMBER OR IF THEY WOULD PATCH THEM THROUGH OR WHATEVER. >> YEAH, I DON T THINK 911 KNOWS WHERE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE. >> THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT SARAH SHARED WITH US WITH THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN WRITE IN A COMPLAINT, THERE'S A HOTLINE WHERE YOU CAN CALL AND THAT HOTLINE IS STAFFED EVEN WHEN WE AREN'T IN WORK HOURS. >> I DON'T CARE HOW WE DO THIS. MY ONLY POINT IS SOMEONE THAT'S NOT ON THE TO BE NOTIFIED LIST SHOULD ALSO HAVE A WAY OF CONTACTING SOMEONE AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN MORE DETAIL WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> WONDERFUL. I THINK THAT THAT'S IT. >> THERE WAS ONE MORE COMMENT FROM ERIC FROM MARY'S ACCOUNT ABOUT CHARGING FEES, DIFFERENT FEES FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS NON-RESIDENTS. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION WHEN I ASKED ABOUT AND YOU RESPONDED WITH WHAT THE DIFFERENT FEES ARE DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PERSON. I'M SORRY. THERE WAS THE PERSON WHO TALKED ABOUT THE BARKING DOGS AND I JUST SAID, WELL, DIFFERENT CODE VIOLATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT FEES, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LICENSING FEE FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, CURRENTLY EVERYONE'S GOING TO TRY TO PAY $175. WE CAN ADD THIS AS RICK POINTED OUT, IF WE START TO HAVE MORE DATA OVER TIME THAT SAYS OWNER-OCCUPIED. [03:45:02] SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAUSE LESS PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE OWNER IS ON-SITE OR THEN MAYBE LESSER FEE CAN BE CHARGED FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN'T REALLY CHARGE DIFFERENT FEES FOR OUT-OF-STATE BUSINESSES VERSUS IN-STATE BECAUSE THAT WOULD POSSIBLY CAUSE SOME CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS WITH THE INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO EXPLORE CHARGING FEES THAT ARE FAIR BASED ON COMPLAINTS. >> THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 14, [14. 2023 Charter Amendment Discussion Council direction on amendments to advance to voters] 2023, CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSION. >> I'M CLEARLY HAVING SOME TROUBLE HERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STACY SALTZBURG. I'M YOUR CITY CLERK. TONIGHT, I, ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS, ARE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO ADVANCE TO THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I'M GOING TO COVER TONIGHT. HOPEFULLY TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT EASIER, YOU WILL HAVE FOUND IN YOUR PACKET NOT ONLY A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT THERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT LAYS OUT ALL OF OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. THEY CORRELATE WITH THE SECTION OF THE CHARTER, THE PAGE NUMBER OF THE CHARTER, AS WELL AS WHICH SLIDE WE ARE REFERENCING AS WELL. BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON AND TRIED TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME OPTIONS AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. WHAT IS A CITY CHARTER? THE FORMAL DEFINITION IS HERE. BUT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, THE CHARTER IS THE BASIC GOVERNING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY, AND IT ALLOWS OUR CITIZENS TO ENACT THEIR OWN LAWS FOR THIS COMMUNITY SO LONG AS THEY'RE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW. MANY OF YOU HAVE SAT THROUGH MY CHARTER PRESENTATIONS BEFORE, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO OVER THESE. SOME STATE LAWS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS MATTERS OF STATEWIDE CONCERN, IN WHICH CASE THEY CAN SUPERSEDE A CHARTER CITIES, LAWS. THESE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE STATE LAW CAN SOMETIMES BREEDING OUR CHARTER INTO CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW. IN THOSE INSTANCES, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD DEFAULT TO THE STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO THOSE SITUATIONS. ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S A LEGAL HIERARCHY THAT STARTS WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION. IT MOVES TO STATE LAW, THEN WE HAVE CHARTER CITIES, AND THEN ULTIMATELY OUR CITY CODE. FLAGSTAFF CITY CHARTER WAS ORIGINALLY VOTED ON AND ADOPTED IN 1958. SINCE THEN, IT'S BEEN AMENDED EIGHT DIFFERENT TIMES. THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH WAS IN 2015, WHERE 19 AMENDMENTS WERE PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS OVER THE COURSE OF TWO ELECTIONS. ANY AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER REQUIRES APPROVAL BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF ELECTORS, AND FOLLOWING THAT ELECTION, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF OUR GOVERNOR. THE PROCESS BY WHICH A CHARTER AMENDED CAN VARY BY JURISDICTION. FLAGSTAFF DOES NOT HAVE AN ESTABLISHED FORMAL PROCESS FOR AMENDMENTS, AND THE STATE ALSO DOES NOT HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS, SO IT'S REALLY UP TO EACH JURISDICTION TO DETERMINE HOW THEY'D LIKE TO DO THAT. STAFF AND COUNCIL CAN INITIATE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND CITIZENS ARE ALSO ABLE TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS IN THE FORM OF A BALLOT INITIATIVE. LEADING UP TO THE 2015 CHARTER ELECTIONS, AND SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND OR TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS NEEDED TO THE CHARTER. MOST OF THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE TO ALIGN OUR CHARTER WITH CURRENT PRACTICES OR CHANGES IN STATE LAW. WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THINGS CHANGED WITH THE STATE, WHICH PUTS US OUT OF COMPLIANCE. THERE ARE OTHER UPDATES OR OTHER AMENDMENTS TO UPDATE OR REMOVE ANTIQUATED PROVISIONS WITHIN OUR CHARTER. YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY PROVISIONS THAT WE NO LONGER USE OR HAVEN'T USED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF COUNCIL A FEW TIMES, STARTING IN EARLY 2021 TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO THE VOTERS. IN 2021, WE ATTEMPTED TO RECRUIT A CITIZEN CHARTER COMMITTEE TO REVIEW NOT ONLY THE STAFF RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS, BUT TO ALSO REVIEW OUR CHARTER AS A WHOLE AND BRING [03:50:03] FORWARD ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR COUNCIL. UNFORTUNATELY, AT THAT TIME, THERE WASN'T MUCH INTEREST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. WE DIDN'T GARNER ENOUGH FOLKS THAT WANTED TO STEP FORWARD, AND SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER. I CAME BACK TO COUNCIL IN LATE 2022 AND SUGGESTED THAT YOU ALLOW STAFF TO DO AN INTERNAL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. AGAIN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT STAFF WAS PROPOSING FOCUSED ON ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES, MORE TECHNICAL CHANGES, WE FELT THAT AN INTERNAL COMMITTEE WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO ANALYZE THOSE, REVIEW THEM, AND THEN BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION. COUNCIL DID GIVE US THAT DIRECTION TO CONVENE AN INTERNAL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE THESE AMENDMENTS AND BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION. WE MOVED FORWARD WITH CREATING AN INTERNAL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. IT CONSISTED OF 15 MEMBERS FROM ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION, MANY OF WHICH ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. BUT WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM MANAGEMENT SERVICES, SUSTAINABILITY, ECONOMIC VITALITY, HUMAN RESOURCES, FIRE, PROSE, LEGAL, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF THE ORGANIZATION, AND TO REALLY HAVE SOME GOOD EYES ON THIS. SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE. I APOLOGIZE. THE GROUP MET FROM DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR THROUGH APRIL OF THIS YEAR. WE TOOK TIME TO EDUCATE THE COMMITTEE ON ALL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AND THEN WE TOOK SOME TIME TO REALLY DIVE IN AND REVIEW THOSE AND ULTIMATELY RANK THEM IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. WE LANDED ON A TOTAL OF 21 TOTAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL ADVANCED TO OUR VOTERS IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. THE AMENDMENTS WERE RANKED NOT ONLY IN PRIORITY ORDER, BUT WITHIN THREE PRIORITIES OF HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW. YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM A NUMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TONIGHT AS WE REVIEW ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS. AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF THESE ARE PRIMARILY TECHNICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE. THEY FOCUSED ON IMPROVING EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AND CLEANING UP OUTDATED LANGUAGE AND PRACTICES. BEFORE WE DIVE IN, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST CAVEAT AND POINT OUT THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FOR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IS IN VERY DRAFT FORM. WE WANTED TO COME TO YOU TONIGHT, REVIEW THESE AMENDMENTS, GET DIRECTION FROM YOU BEFORE WE REALLY HONED IN ON ALL OF THE FINAL LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS. ONCE WE GET DIRECTION FROM YOU, WE WILL REALLY MOVE INTO THOSE AMENDMENTS, REFINE THE LANGUAGE, VET ALL OF THAT THROUGH OUR LEGAL TEAM, THROUGH THE CHARTER COMMITTEE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, AND THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION WHEN WE CALL THE ELECTION. >> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN. THE FIRST AMENDMENT BEING RECOMMENDED IS FOR NOMINATION FOR PRIMARY ELECTION. THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT WITHIN OUR CHARTER IS A MINIMUM SIGNATURE VALUE OF 5% OF VOTERS AT THE PRIOR GENERAL ELECTION. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATES WITH EACH ELECTION CYCLE. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE HIGHER NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE, THEY CORRELATE WITH PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WHICH TENDS TO BRING MORE VOTERS OUT TO THE POLLS. BUT AT THE LAST ELECTION, WE HAD A REQUIREMENT OF A MINIMUM OF 1,302 SIGNATURES. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THAT IS A TALL ORDER, IT CAN BE QUITE CHALLENGING TO GATHER THAT AMOUNT OF SIGNATURES. THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES DOES HAVE A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS A CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT COULD SET THAT MINIMUM NUMBER OF SIGNATURES AT 1,000 OR THE FIVE PERCENT WHICHEVER IS LESS. UNFORTUNATELY, FLAGSTAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION WITHIN STATE LAW BECAUSE OUR CHARTER IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT THE CALCULATION IS DONE BASED ON THAT 5% OF VOTERS. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY IF A COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT LOWERING THAT MINIMUM NUMBER REQUIRED. LASTLY, THE AMENDMENT WOULD REMOVE THE SPECIFIC FILING DATE THAT IS REFERENCED IN [03:55:01] THE CHARTER AND REPLACE IT WITH MORE GENERAL LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR CHANGES IN STATE LAW OVER TIME. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE SEE THAT STATE LAW DOES CHANGE QUITE FREQUENTLY, AND SOMETIMES OUR CHARTER THEN BECOMES OUT OF COMPLIANCE. WHILE USING A LITTLE MORE GENERALIZED LANGUAGE, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THOSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. HERE'S THE PROPOSED TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT. I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE REMOVING THAT 120 DAY REQUIREMENT AND THEN ALLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO LOWER THAT SIGNATURE REQUIREMENT. >> STACY, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, STACY. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE COUNCIL DECIDES HOW MANY VOTES ARE REQUIRED. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PUT INTO THE CHARTER ITSELF. I THINK THE 1,000 OR FIVE PERCENT WHICHEVER IS LESS, SHOULD BE THE RULE. NOW WHY WOULD I SAY, DON'T LEAVE THIS UP TO COUNCIL? WELL, IT'S A POLITICAL QUESTION. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE WAY WE PICK OUR VICE MAYOR USED TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY IT IS PICKED NOW AND WHY WAS THAT DONE? IT WAS DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CERTAIN PERSON THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO NOT BE THE NEXT VICE MAYOR. IT CREATED A VERY AWKWARD SITUATION. I DON'T WANT A SIMILAR SITUATION. I THINK THE THOUSAND OR 5% WHICHEVER IS LESS, SHOULD WE PUT IN THE COUNT INTO THE CHARTER THAT'S MY OPINION. AS FAR AS THE WORDING, THE NOT MORE THAN 10% THOSE WORDS ARE NOT NEEDED. DO WANT TO COMMENT TO THAT? >> I WOULD IF YOU DON'T MIND. NOT MORE THAN 10% IS ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT THAT IS SET BY STATE LAW. WHEN YOU, AS A CANDIDATE COME TO SUPPLY PETITIONS FOR NOMINATION, YOU CAN HAVE A MINIMUM OF 5% BUT YOU CANNOT TURN INTO MY OFFICE MORE THAN 10%. THERE'S A THRESHOLD THERE THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. >> NOW I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THAT AND IT MAKES SENSE. WE MIGHT WANT TO REVISIT THAT VIS-A-VIS THE THOUSAND, WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S JUST DETAILS THAT YOU CAN WORK OUT. THEN THERE'S SOME WORDS, I WROTE THESE NOTES ON SATURDAY, SO I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. IT SAYS, ''VOTE IN THE CITY.'' THAT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT NOW, BUT YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT LATER. MY MAIN COMMENT IS DON'T LET COUNCIL SET IT UP, PUT IT IN THE CHARTER ITSELF, AND BE DONE WITH IT. FIVE PERCENT OR 1,000 WHICH IS EITHER WHICHEVER IS LESS. THAT'S ONE GUY'S OPINION. WELL, TWO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO STATE LAW, TO ENABLE THE 1,000 MINIMUM SIGNATURES. IT REQUIRES THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO DO SO. >> I WOULD ASK OR ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S REALLY TRUE. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW. >> INVESTIGATED AND TRUE ALREADY. >> DAMN YOU'RE FAST. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HERE. >> I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THIS. IS GOING TO DO BOTH. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO SAY YES, PUT THIS TO THE VOTERS FOR THE CHARTER. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE BASE DECISION TO SAY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. IT'S STILL HAS TO BE PASSED BY THE VOTERS. WE'RE NOT PASSING IT. I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IT WAS A HARD NUMBER, IT'S 1,602 OR 1,302 [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> IS THAT INGRAINED IN YOUR BRAIN? >> IT IS INGRAINED [LAUGHTER] AND I JUST WOULD APPRECIATE IT SHOWING UP. [LAUGHTER]. >> I COULD HAVE DONE 1,300 NO PROBLEM NOW 1,600. >> MY APOLOGIES. TO SPEAK TO YOUR FIRST COMMENT COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. YES. ULTIMATELY, THE VOTERS WOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO GIVE COUNSEL THE ABILITY TO PASS SUCH AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT NUMBER TO BE LESS THAN THAT 1,000 THRESHOLD. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A FUTURE COUNCIL, [04:00:02] SO SAY THE VOTERS SAY YES, WE WANT TO DO THIS, GO FORTH, WE PUT IT IN OUR CHARTER. THIS COUNCIL SAYS, GREAT, WE'RE GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT LOWERS THAT THRESHOLD TO 1,000. THE NEXT COUNCIL THAT COMES IN HAS THE ABILITY TO REVERT BACK TO THE 10% CAP. AGAIN, IT PROVIDES THAT FLEXIBILITY BASED ON THE COUNCIL THAT COMES FORWARD. IT'S REALLY UP TO THEM AND I KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR FUTURE COUNSELS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS ANOTHER STATEMENT. >> WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY INVESTIGATIVE THROUGH SOME WAY. WE CAN NOT HAVE IT THAT WAY AND I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER NOW. I THINK I GOT AN ANSWER, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. >> DUALLY NOTED. I WILL. THANK YOU. >> VICE MAYOR MIGHT HAVE HIS HAND UP. >> VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. I'LL KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF. I'M GLAD THAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS 1,000. I DON'T SEE IT GOING MUCH MORE BELOW THAT. FOR THE 5% THRESHOLD. MY GUESS IS THAT AS THE FUTURE ON ROLES, THAT 5% THRESHOLD IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GROW MORE AND MORE JUST BECAUSE POPULATION IS INCREASING. WE'RE RARELY GOING TO GET UNDER 1,000. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHILE I THINK 1,602 WAS ONEROUS. I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS A BIT OF AN INVISIBLE PRIMARY, SO TO SPEAK. IT'S A WAY FOR POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO PROVE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE MEETING WITH ENOUGH PEOPLE AND HAVE SOUNDING UP IDEAS TO MAKE IT ONTO THE BALLOT. THIS KEEPS OUR BALLOTS FROM GETTING OVERFILLED. FOR HAVING A BIG PRIMARIES THAT REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL ELECTION, EDIT AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO THE CITY. IT REQUIRES POTENTIAL CANDIDATES TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH VOTERS AND TALK TO THEM AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND HEAR, AND LISTEN AND LEARN. I'M OKAY WITH A BIT OF A HIGH THRESHOLD. I THINK 1,000 IS FINE. IF THAT NUMBER WERE MUCH LOWER. I THINK WE'D BE HAVING A DEBATE ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT GOLDILOCKS ZONE HERE FOR US AT THIS TIME. >> THANKS. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. I'M GOING TO TURN THE TIME OVER TO PATRICK BROWN OR? TO MR. TATTER. >> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. STEPPING IN FOR PATRICK AS HE IS NOT WELL TODAY. THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO PURCHASING CONTRACTS FOR CITY IMPROVEMENTS. THIS LET ME MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THIS IS ONE THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR OUR TEAM AND CITY OF FLAGSTAFF THAT WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL PUTTING THE ELECTION. PART OF THIS ANALYSIS IS THAT IT DOES PROVIDE A MORE INCLUSIVE EXPLANATION WITH THE PURCHASES AND THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING FORWARD AND APPROVE THROUGH OUR PROCESSES. OUR REQUEST IS TO INCREASE THIS TO 100,000 FROM THE 50,000 THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR STATE AND OUR CITY CHARTER. THIS WILL STILL HAVE THINGS IN PLACE FOR THOSE THAT ARE UNDER 100,000 THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE PROCUREMENT CODE MANUAL, WHICH COUNCIL DOES ADOPT, AND THAT WE USE AS A GUIDANCE FOR THOSE UNDER 100,000, SHOULD THE VOTERS APPROVE IT. JUST FOR EXAMPLE LAST TIME THIS WAS INCREASED WAS IN 2008. IF YOU DO INFLATION FACTORS FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, THE NEW NUMBER WOULD BE EXCEEDING PROBABLY 90,000 AT THIS POINT. OVER TIME, PURCHASES AND COSTS DO INCREASE. WE'RE LOOKING TO STEP THIS UP AND BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE DOLLAR WERE BACK IN 2008. MAKING THESE CHANGES WOULD ALSO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE FOR OUR DIVISIONS TO DELIVER SERVICES AND PRODUCTS AND PROGRAMS TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE, IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT WAY FOR US TO RUN BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF. THAT IS THE NUMBER 2 ITEM THAT WE HAVE. I THINK AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THESE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ADDING OF WORDS TO TALK ABOUT ALL CITY IMPROVEMENTS, THE ADJUSTMENTS TO 100,000 AND SO FORTH. DULY NOTING THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY ALWAYS HAS A RIGHT AND DISCRETION TO REVIEW OUR CONTRACTS. I'LL STOP THERE FOR A SECOND BEFORE MOVING ON. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. [04:05:04] >> I'LL ACTUALLY BE I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. CLIFTON TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR NUMBER 3 ITEM. >> THANK YOU. THIS THIRD ITEM ALSO FALLS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. THIS MAY BE NEW INFORMATION FOR SOME OF YOU AND FOR OTHERS YOU ARE WELL ACQUAINTED WITH IT. BUT WE HAVE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IN OUR CHARTER THAT I FEEL IS VERY FAR-REACHING IN A BIT ONEROUS, AND I DON'T THINK I'M ALONE IN THAT OPINION. IT'S NOT ONE THAT I'M USED TO SEEING IN CITY CHARTERS, BUT OUR PARTICULAR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT STATES THAT ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS NEED TO RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. CURRENTLY, THE CITY CLERK, CITY TREASURER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, AND CITY ATTORNEY ARE REQUIRED TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS SAYS DEPARTMENT HEADS. THE AMENDMENT WOULD REMOVE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WITH ALL EXCEPT FOR THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS THE GOLD STANDARD THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE FROM ONE COMMUNITY TO THE NEXT. IF THERE IS A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, IT USUALLY APPLIES TO THE MANAGER'S POSITION AND NOT OTHERS. THIS WILL HELP WITH OUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IN A PROFOUND WAY AND ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES IN THE CITY INCLUDING HOUSING CHALLENGES. BUT I WILL ADD AS A COMMENTARY, THE REASON FOR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS THAT TYPICALLY EXIST IS TO ENSURE THAT MANAGERS ARE INVESTED IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND ARE NOT COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THEN LEAVING AFTER WORK HOURS BACK TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY. THAT'S A VERY LOGICAL REASONING. THE OTHER REASONS THAT YOU SOMETIMES SEE FOR RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, AS WAS THE CASE IN DENVER AND THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT CASE TO SHOW FOR IT, IN THE LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEE BASE IS RESIDING WITHIN THE CITY AND NOT PAYING TAX DOLLARS ELSEWHERE. IT'S A COMPETITIVE THING. THAT WAS THE ISSUE ELSEWHERE. I WILL POINT OUT THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IN FLAGSTAFF. WE'RE NOT PART OF A LARGE METROPOLITAN AREA. WE ARE VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY THAT IS WELL-DEFINED, BOTH WITHIN OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES AND BEYOND OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES. PEOPLE WHO RESIDE SLIGHTLY OUT OF THE CITY OUR TAXPAYERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEIR CHILDREN GO TO OUR SCHOOLS. THEY ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY FABRIC IN EVERY SENSE. THE IDEA OF HAVING TO HAVE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT LOCALLY BY EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY ADD UP HERE. WE'RE JUST LEFT THEN WITH THE FIRST COMMENT, WHICH IS, SHOULD THE MANAGER BE VESTED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS LIKELY YES, AND IT SHOULD BE. BUT DOES THAT SAME LOGIC APPLY TO OTHER LEADERS WITHIN YOUR ORGANIZATION? I THINK THERE'S STRONG DEBATE THAT WOULD SUGGEST NO. THAT'S AN OVERREACH AND THESE DAYS WHEN WE'RE HAVING CHALLENGES WITH RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION BUT RECRUITMENT ESPECIALLY IS WORKING AGAINST US. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THAT. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT NARRATIVE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> NOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE NORM BUT FOR 25 YEARS I HAD A COLLEAGUE THAT DROVE FROM PHOENIX EVERY DAY TO FLAGSTAFF TO WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY. MY CONCERN WOULD BE REMOTE WHATEVER. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REMOVING THE RESIDENCY IN TERMS OF THE CITY, BUT I'D WANT THAT PERSON TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN FLAGSTAFF. PHOENIX IS NOT A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY REALLY. I JUST ASK THAT WE GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT. >> INDEED. WE DO HAVE A FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULE POLICY THAT IS IN PLACE AND HAS BEEN IN PLACE IN THAT POLICY. ONE OF THE ITEMS ADDRESSED IS THE ABILITY TO WORK REMOTELY, BUT WE DEFINE HOW OFTEN THAT COULD BE AND THERE IS [04:10:01] DISCRETION EXERCISE BY DIVISION HEADS AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND MAKING THAT ALLOWANCE. WE ARE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE OF THAT, BUT YOUR POINT IS VERY WELL STATED. THE IDEA OF SOMEBODY COMMUTING TWO HOURS EACH WAY TWICE A DAY TO COME TO FLAGSTAFF IS PROBABLY MORE OF AN EXCEPTION, AN ANOMALY OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ANY FREQUENCY. BUT THE IDEA OF WORKING REMOTELY IS NOW A FACTOR AND WE DO ALLOW FOR IT IN PART. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> IF ONE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT WOULD BE SAYING THAT THE PERSON HAD TO LIVE WITHIN, WHATEVER, 20 MILES OF THE FLAG SUBSIDY LIMITS. I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT FOR DISCUSSION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> CITY MANTRIC CLIFTON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON UNDERSTANDS OUR CITY, YOU LIVE IN OUR CITY, YOU EAT IN OUR CITY, YOU WORK IN THE CITY, YOU BECOME A PART OF THE CITY. PEOPLE CAN FIND YOU WHEN NECESSARY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE BIG BROTHER OR SISTER OR WHATEVER, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE FOLKS THAT WORK FOR US, THEY HAVE A REAL GOOD FEEL FOR WHO WE ARE AS A CITY AND I THINK THAT HELPS THEM IN THEIR JOB. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE A NEW PERSON THAT'S COMING HERE THAT'S LIVING COUPLE OF HOURS AWAY AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT IT GIVES THAT PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW FLAGSTAFF AND THE CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THEN I THINK IT HELPS THEM TO BETTER ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS IN THEIR JOBS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT US TO DO, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT DEPARTMENT HEADS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN. I GET THAT BUT I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SOME MAJOR POLICY DECISIONS UNDERSTAND THOSE DECISIONS. >> WELL-STATED AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OUR NUMBER FOUR ITEM IS TITLED BIDS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE TECHNICAL CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AND BRING FORWARD. THIS ONE IS ABOUT CHANGING OLDER TERMINOLOGY FROM BID TO PROCUREMENT AND RECOGNIZING THE MANY METHODS THAT PROCUREMENT THAT THE CITIES ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE STATE AND SO FORTH. FROM THE TIME THAT THE CHARTER WAS CREATED, ALL THE WAY THROUGH 1972, THERE WERE ONLY BIDS. THAT WAS PART OF STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY ALL HAD TO BE BIDS BUT SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE AND OUR CHARTER JUST IS NOT BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE CURRENT TRENDS OF PROCUREMENT AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO AS CITIES. FOR INSTANCE, NOW WE GOT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, REQUESTS FOR STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS, AND THOSE TYPES OF PROCUREMENTS THAT ARE NOT HARD BIDS. THIS IS REALLY A CLEANUP TO ALLOW US TO THE FULL EXTENT TO USE WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE CITY. THIS CHARTER ITEM, IF IT'S CHANGED WILL ALSO REFER TO THE PROCUREMENT CODE MANUAL, WHICH AGAIN IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, AND SETS FORTH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT USUALLY JUST ALIGNED WITH WHAT STATE ALLOWS US. AS THOSE CHANGE, WE CAN CHANGE AND STAY MORE ADAPTIVE TO PROCUREMENT IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, AND JUST DELIVERS MORE CONSISTENCY WITH TODAY'S PRACTICES. LOT OF RED LINES HERE. BUT REALLY GETTING TO THE POINT OF REMOVING THEM BOARDS, BIDS, WITH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESSES AND SO FORTH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? GREAT. THANK YOU. >> HELLO. THE NEXT PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE CHARTER IS TO CONSOLIDATE SOME PROVISIONS RELATED TO REAL ESTATE IN THE CITY. WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS IN OUR CHARTER THAT RATE SALE OF REAL ESTATE AND LEASE OF REAL ESTATE. [04:15:02] WE'D LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE THEM ALL IN ONE SECTION AND JUST CLEAN THAT UP. BUT ALSO SIMILARLY TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH PROCUREMENT, IS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING INVITATION FOR BIDS FOR SALE OR LEASE THE PROPERTY ANYMORE. WE DO DIFFERENT PROCUREMENTS. THE CITY OWNS A LOT OF REAL ESTATE MORE THAN MOST CITIES DO AND WE USE IT FOR PURPOSES THAT BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE OUR LAND THAT WE LEASE FOR THEATRICALS. WE HAVE OUR LAND THAT WE LEASE FOR TINKERTOPIA. WE HAVE OUR LAND THAT WE LEASE OR LICENSE FOR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. WE HAVE THE LAND BY THE AIRPORT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP FOR COMMERCIAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PARK. WE DON'T JUST ISSUE INVITATIONS FOR BIDS TO GET THE HIGHEST GROUND LEASE OR FOR THAT PROPERTY, WE ISSUE WHAT REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, SEEKING SERVICES, OR SPECIFIC USES OF THAT LAND. THIS PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD CONFORM WITH OUR PROCESS TO TRY TO GOVERN THE USE OF OUR OWN LAND VERSUS JUST TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER AND WHO CAN MAKE THE BIGGEST MONEY FOR THE CITY. THE LANGUAGE HERE, AGAIN ENDED THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD ADDRESS BOTH LEASES AND SALE OF REAL PROPERTY. THIS SECTION, THE SECOND SECTION HERE, THAT LOOKS LIKE SECTION B, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY IN OUR EXISTING CHARTER. THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE. THERE'S ALSO THIS SECTION C IS NEW AND THIS RELATES, I BELIEVE, TO A CREST FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND IT RELATES THE ABILITY TO SUB-DIVIDE AND PLATT CITY PROPERTY INCLUDE RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO ITS USE AND DEDICATE STREETS AND ALLEYS. THAT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROVISION, BUT ANYWAY, THEY'RE ALL COMBINED NOW AND ONE WOULD BE COMBINED IN ONE SECTION OF OUR CHARTER. >> IF I MAY CLARIFY JUST REALLY QUICK, B AND C TO MS. WENDELL'S COMMENT, THEY ARE ALREADY EXISTING WITHIN OUR CHARTER, THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO MOVE THEM FROM ONE SECTION TO ANOTHER. >> THANK YOU. I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE C WAS ALREADY EXISTING IN THERE TOO. THE BIG CHANGES AND A, WHERE WE DELETE THE REQUIREMENT THAT LAND BE SOLD OR LEASED TO THE HIGHEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. WE'LL STILL DO THAT, IF WE'RE DOING A STRAIGHT SALE OR A STRAIGHT LEASE WHERE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT USE GOES ON, THEN WE WILL STILL SELL TO THE HIGHEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER OR LEASE. >> I'M BACK. NUMBER SIX, RELATED TO CONTRACTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY AFFECTING FOUR SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER. AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE, THINGS TO KEEP OUR CHARTER UP TO DATE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. THESE FOUR SECTIONS, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS ONE QUESTION EVEN THOUGH WE'RE HITTING FOUR DIFFERENT TOPICS BECAUSE IT'S JUST CLERICAL IN NATURE AND SIMILAR FOR WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE. BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF TEXTS CHANGES RELATED CHANGING THE WORD BID TO A SOLICITATION OR RESPONSE AND BIDDER TO RESPONDER MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH TODAY'S PROCUREMENT LANGUAGE. WHAT'S THE STATE ALLOWS AND OUR PROCUREMENT CODE GOING FORWARD. HERE WE'LL SEE A FEW SECTIONS THAT THIS FALLS UNDER. ITS UNDER THE PREPARATION OF, I BELIEVE IT'S PREPARATION OF CONTRACTS. THIS IS THE CONTRACT SIDE. CONTRACTS FOR OFFICIAL ADVERTISING. JUST CHANGING OUT THAT WORDING. UNDER FRAUD INCLUSION AVOIDS CONTRACTS. FOUR AREAS THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO ASK THE BOARD IS THE CLEANUP LANGUAGE ON. ANY QUESTION ON THOSE. >> THANKS, RICK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'LL BE COVERING THE PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS. THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE SUPPORTS YOUR KEY COMMUNITY PRIORITY OF HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNANCE. THE AMENDMENT ITSELF WOULD ALLOW FOR THREE THINGS. [04:20:01] ONE, IT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ESTABLISH THE PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT WOULD GO UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL VERSUS HAVING TO COME TO COUNCIL IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE. IT ALLOWS FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO MORE IMMEDIATE NEEDS. AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU MIGHT RECALL WAS THE RECENT DISCUSSION WE HAD ON TELEWORK. AFTER WE CAME BACK FROM COVID CLOSURES, WE WANTED TO UPDATE WHAT WAS IN THE HANDBOOK CALLED ALTERNATIVE WORK SCHEDULES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE TELEWORK SCHEDULING SECTION WAS INCLUDED. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE NEEDED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED FAIRLY QUICKLY AND HAVING THE CITY MANAGERS FLEXIBILITY IN THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. THE SECOND ITEM IS TO REMOVE VOLUNTEERS FROM COUNCIL OVERSIGHT. THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS WOULD REMAIN, BUT VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE REMOVED. THEN LASTLY, UPDATING THE TITLE OF POLICE JUDGES TO PRESIDING MAGISTRATE, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT PROCUREMENT. WE'RE JUST USING DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY TODAY, SO IT'S A MATTER OF USING TODAY'S TITLES VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. THIS AGAIN, IS A MEDIUM PRIORITY. IT'S THE FIRST OF SIX THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT. HERE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED. >> TAG TEAM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER THAT LUMPS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TOPICS TOGETHER, AND THAT IS WHEN ACTIONS ARE TO BE TAKEN BY ORDINANCE, SO WE COME BEFORE YOU ALL THE TIME TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY BY ORDINANCE. WE ALWAYS GET AUTHORITY FROM THE COUNSEL TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY INTERESTS BY ORDINANCE. I'M JUST GOING TO FLIP HERE RIGHT NOW THE CHARTER SAYS WHEN WERE THE COUNSEL HAS ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE FOR THE ACQUISITION, SALE, OR EXCHANGE OF PUBLIC REAL PROPERTY. WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. THAT MEANS IN FEE SIMPLE SO THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE EASEMENTS. THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT EASEMENTS. DURING THE REGULAR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE CITY ACQUIRES AND GRANTS EASEMENTS ALL THE TIME. THEY ALWAYS COME BACK TO BE RATIFIED BY ORDINANCE BY THE COUNSEL. BUT THE REALITY IS WE DON'T GO GET ADVANCE APPROVAL BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE RATIFY IT AFTER THE FACT. THIS WOULD HELP US JUST CONFIRMING THE CHARTER TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. IF WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT WHERE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE ACQUIRING REASONS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO COME FORWARD TO YOU LIKE THE RIO TO FLAG. WE'RE ACQUIRING CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS, EASEMENTS AND TEMPORARY WORKER EASEMENT. WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU AND GET AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. BUT FOR THE ORDINARY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STUFF, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO COME TO YOU IN ADVANCE. THIS CHARTER JUST CLEANS THAT UP. >> THE OTHER COMPONENT IS ABOUT WHEN TO TAKE ACTION BY ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. DO WE NEED AN ORDINANCE TO TAKE SOME OF THIS ACTION VERSUS RESOLUTION? IT'S NOT SAYING WE WON'T DO THESE THINGS, JUST BRINGING THEM IN A DIFFERENT METHOD. THE OTHER COMPONENT IS CURRENTLY IT REQUIRES US TO DO AN ORDINANCE TO ISSUE DEBT SO I HAVE TO PLAN IT OUT, GET AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BRING YOU AN ORDINANCE, GET A SECOND READ, AND THEN ANOTHER 30 DAYS BEFORE I CAN ISSUE DEBT. THIS IS REALLY HELPING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS WILL DO IT BY A RESOLUTION OR SUCH. BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY, THINGS CHANGE, ECONOMIC CONDITIONS MAY CHANGE WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS THAT YOU ADOPT AN ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REALLY ALLOW US TO STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS AND GET YOUR APPROVAL AND LET US MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE PROACTIVELY BEING ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT TIMELY THROUGH THE PROCESS. SIMPLY JUST STRIKING OUT THAT ONE AUTHORIZATION FROM THIS CITY CHARTER ITEM. >> MIKE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES. >> THIS IS ALREADY APPROVED DEBT. IT'S LIKE A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND OR? >> IT VARIES. THERE ARE CERTAIN DEBTS THAT ARE APPROVED BY VOTER'S ALREADY, SUCH AS OUR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. OR DURING A SALES TAX MEASURE, WE MAY HAVE SAID WE WILL ISSUE DEBT DURING THOSE PROCESSES. BUT OTHER TYPES OF DEBTS, A CERTIFICATE OF PARTICIPATION, LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. [04:25:06] THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY APPROVED AHEAD OF TIME. REVENUE BONDS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT, WHEN WE'RE PLEDGING UTILITY REVENUES TO PAY BACK DEBT, THOSE ARE APPROVED IN ANOTHER METHOD. IT WOULD BE APPROVED TO ISSUE THROUGH A RESOLUTION. >> BUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET? >> YEAH, WE GENERALLY RUN THOSE THROUGH OUR FIVE-YEAR PLANS. WHOEVER NEEDS THE DEBT THAT WILL BE INCURRED TO PAY BACK. THE BUDGET PROCESS GENERALLY DOES PUT ASIDE THE FINANCING AND USES OF THOSE. SOMETIMES THEY MAY BE MISSED AND MAYBE A NEW DEBT WE HAVE TO ISSUE. FOR INSTANCE WHEN WE HAD THE EMERGENCIES WITH STORMWATER IN SUNNYSIDE. WE REALIZE THE CASH FROM THE STORMWATER FAN WAS RUNNING SHORT AND WE NEEDED TO DO SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND INVEST, SO WE QUICKLY NOT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT ASK COUNSEL TO ALLOW US TO ISSUE DEBT. IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT SITUATION IS THAT IT'S FLUID. >> CITY MANAGER HAS A COMMENT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR, I CAN ALSO HELP WITH THE ANSWER WITH AN EXAMPLE. WHEN WE REFINANCED THE UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY YEARS AGO, THAT WAS THE CULMINATION OF PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS, MORE THAN HALF A YEAR OF WORK AND PRESENTATIONS THAT INVOLVE THE COUNSEL FROM THE OUTSET, WE MET WITH THE UNDERWRITER IN PHOENIX. I THINK OF THREE COUNSEL PEOPLE WERE ON THAT TRIP THEN WE HAD PRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF THE COUNSEL BY THE FINANCE TEAM. IT WAS VERY WELL VETTED AND I THINK TO ERIC'S POINT, BY THE TIME IT COMES TO FINALITY WHICH IS ALLOWING THE DEBT TO BE ISSUED AT THAT POINT YOU'RE AT THE TAIL END OF PROBABLY A RATHER INVOLVED PROCESS. IT WOULD BE HARD IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE DEBT ISSUANCE WITHOUT THAT INVOLVEMENT TAKING PLACE. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GOING INTO THESE CONSIDERATIONS OR THESE DEBT ISSUANCES SO MANY CONSIDERATIONS AT HAND, AND EITHER WE HAVE COUNSEL WITH US SIDE-BY-SIDE WORKING THROUGH THESE OR THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN AT ALL. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. COUNSEL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO RESTATE WHAT I HEARD, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT I WANT TO RESTATE IT. IF THIS WOULD STILL COME TO COUNSEL AS A RESOLUTION, THEN I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE. >> YES. ALL FINANCING WILL COME TO COUNSEL REGARDLESS. IT'LL BE BY RESOLUTION INSTEAD OF ORDINANCE. YES. >> GREAT. IN A MUCH SHORTER, SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL THAT DOWN. OUR NEXT ADJUSTED CHARTER AMENDMENT IS TO WORK ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROGRAM TO INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. CURRENTLY ONLY CITY RESIDENTS CONSERVE ON CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS. THE INDICATED DELETION IN OUR CHARTER LANGUAGE WOULD ALLOW NON CITY RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WOULD EXPAND PARTICIPATION. THOSE WHO'VE WORKSHOP, ENTERTAINMENT, ETC IN THE CITY. IT CAN HELP WITH FILLING VACANCIES AND BRINGING MORE INCLUSIVITY TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PROGRAM. THEY WOULD LIKELY BE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF NON CITY RESIDENTS APPOINTED TO EACH COMMISSION. HERE IS THE LANGUAGE WITH THE DELETION THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. COUNSEL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> I HEARD THAT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF NON CITY RESIDENTS, WOULD THAT BE PUT INTO THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT WORD IS, BUT THE DOCUMENTED TO FIND SO AT EACH COMMISSION DOES SO WE MIGHT DECIDE THAT ON PLANNING AND ZONING, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS. BUT ON SOME OTHER WATER COMMISSION, FIVE OUT OF THE SEVEN HAD TO BE OR SOMETHING. SO THIS WOULD COME TO COUNSEL AND THEN WE WOULD DECIDE WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR EACH COMMISSION. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, IT IS. IT WOULD BE THROUGH ORDINANCE IF WE NEEDED TO CHANGE THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION TO INCLUDE EXTRA PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF CITY RESIDENTS. [04:30:04] >> CONSIDERING THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE. >> VICE MAYOR. >> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO HANG UP ON THE SAME QUESTION. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS A CAP AND WE SHOULD NOT FORGET TO SPECIFY WHAT THAT CAP IS FOR EACH CONDITION. IF THIS PASSES, THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO IN A SUBSEQUENT COUNSEL MEETING IS DECIDED WHAT THOSE CAPS ARE. THAT'S ALL. >> COUNSEL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. THE ONLY WORD THAT I GOT A LITTLE HUNG UP ON BECAUSE ALTHOUGH COUNSEL APPOINTS THESE POSITIONS SO THAT WE COULD SCREEN IT THERE, BUT THE WORKSHOP ARE ENTERTAIN. SOMEONE COULD THEORETICALLY SAY, WELL, I COME INTO TOWN FROM SNOWFLAKE AND I SHOP HERE AND THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. BUSINESS OWNERS DEFINITELY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. BUT THAT WORD SHOP JUST HUGGING ME UP, BUT I I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, I GUESS BECAUSE WE APPOINT THESE COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENTS, WE COULD SCREEN THAT OUT. >> CORRECT IT AS COUNSEL'S DISCRETION ON WHO THEY WILL APPOINT. >> I JUST FLIPPED MY PAGES. ITEM NUMBER 10, MEDIUM PRIORITY. THIS IS A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WAS ADDED TO OUR CHARTER IN 1984. THIS SETS THE LIMIT OF WHAT THE CITY CAN PURCHASES OR CONSTRUCTED AS FAR AS FACILITIES ARE. IT DOES INCLUDE A CPI ADJUSTMENT WITHIN THAT CHARTER LANGUAGE. IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, THIS MILLION REALLY MEANS APPROXIMATELY 2.8 MILLION IS OUR CAP OF WHAT WE CAN DIRECTLY GO OUT AND PAY FOR TO CONSTRUCT A FACILITY AND SO FORTH. OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS IN ORDER TO DO THAT TYPE OF A CONSTRUCTION. WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS RELATED TO CERTAIN UTILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY STREET FACILITIES, AND THOSE THINGS. BUT WE ARE RESTRICTED ON CERTAIN FACILITIES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT OR BUILD. THIS IS EVEN IF THE CITY HAS A CASH IN HAND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER FINANCING OR NOT IF WE HAVE CASH IN HAND AND WE KNOW WE NEED THIS FACILITY, WE WANT TO ADD IT TO OUR ASSETS. RIGHT NOW IF IT'S OVER THAT THRESHOLD TO 2.8 MILLION, WE GOT TO ASK VOTERS FOR APPROVAL. LARGER FACILITIES MAKES IT VERY HARD TO ACTUALLY CACHED FUND OR NOT DO WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. MOST RECENTLY, LARGER FACILITIES GENERALLY GO THROUGH A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WE GET THE VOTER APPROVAL AT THIS TIME, SUCH AS THE COURTHOUSE AND THOSE THINGS. BUT THIS IS JUST ASKING TO NOT HAVE THAT CAP FOR US TO CONSTRUCT FACILITIES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. THAT IS JUST A COMPLETELY STRIKEOUT. IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT ON IN VOTERS APPROVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> ACTUALLY, THIS IS A BROADER QUESTION. EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS LIKE WE'RE ON NUMBER 10 NOW, GO TO THE BORDERS SEPARATELY SO THEY COULD VOTE YES ON 10 AND NO THREE OR WHATEVER. I'M HEARING HEAD NOD YES SO THANK YOU. >> EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE THAT HAD FOUR ITEMS IN IT AS ONE WILL GO AS ONE. >> BUT THAT'S ONE ITEM. [LAUGHTER] >> THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER 11, UNDER MEDIUM PRIORITIES. THIS ONE WAS A CHARTER AMENDMENT ADDED IN 1982, RELATED TO, OH LET ME JUST LOOK, RESTRICTING THE CITY FROM ISSUING DEBT THAT IS BACKED BY OUR CITY SALES TAX. WITH THIS ONE, IF WE WANT TO USE OUR CITY SALES TAX TO PLEDGE DEBT TO BUILD A FACILITY OR FUN THINGS SUCH AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, PENSION BONDS WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A VOTER APPROVAL TO USE OUR SALES TAX AS THE BACKING SO WE HAVE TO FIND OTHER METHODS AND MEANS TO FINANCE. [04:35:06] OR WE GO TO THE VOTERS FOR THOSE TYPES OF APPROVALS. THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR OTHER WAYS, BUT THIS ONE JUST REALLY RESTRICTS OUR ABILITY TO POSSIBLY BACK OUR DEBT WITH ONE OF OUR BEST AND STRONGEST RESOURCES FOR THE CITY. SALES TAX AND GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE REALLY THE HIGHER RATED CATEGORIES WHEN IT COMES TO RATING AGENCIES AND THOSE BUYING OUR BONDS WILL GET LOWER INTEREST RATES, LOWER DEBT SERVICE OVER TIME AND IT'S MUCH MORE FAVORABLE. THIS JUST RESTRICTS WE HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTER IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR SALES TAX AND PLEDGE THAT. THAT ONE IS ASKING FOR A FULL STRIKEOUT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 12 RELATES TO ELECTIONS FOR APPROVAL OF FRANCHISES. IN OUR CHARTER, IT INDICATES THAT ONLY 30 DAYS IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR A FRANCHISE APPROVAL. THE CALL OF AN ELECTION SHOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, WHICH PROVIDES AMPLE TIME AND NOTICE TO COUNTY ELECTIONS. CURRENTLY, THAT TIMEFRAME IS 150 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION. ESSENTIALLY, THIS AMENDMENT IS A VERY CLEAN UP PIECE THAT WILL BRING THE CALL OF A FRANCHISE ELECTION INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND THEN THE WAY WE HAVE STRUCTURED THE LANGUAGE IS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY SHOULD THAT LAW CHANGE OVER TIME. LIKE I SAID, IT IS CURRENTLY 150 DAYS, BUT NOT SO LONG AGO, IT WAS AT 120, SO IT DOES HAVE A TENDENCY TO CHANGE A BIT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR FIRST AND SECOND READ OF ORDINANCES. THE CHARTER ALSO ALLOWS CURRENTLY A PASSAGE OF AN ORDINANCE ON THE NIGHT IT'S FIRST PRESENTED. IF THERE IS A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF COUNCIL. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S STILL THE 30-DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR REFERENDUM BEFORE THAT ORDINANCE BECOMES EFFECTIVE. HOWEVER, BY COMPARISON, IF YOU WANTED TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, MAKE AN ORDINANCE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY WITH NO REFERRAL PERIOD OR REFERENDUM PERIOD ONLY REQUIRES THREE-QUARTERS VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL RATHER THAN A UNANIMOUS VOTE, LIKE IT DOES FOR FIRST AND SECOND READ ON THE SAME NIGHT. THIS INCONSISTENCY, IF YOU WILL, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AN EMERGENCY TO BE EASIER FOR COUNCIL TO PASS BY TWO-THIRDS VOTE OR SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS SEEMED A LITTLE ODD AND THIS AMENDMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE WOULD ALLOW A FIRST AND SECOND READ ON THE SAME NIGHT AND ORDINANCES FIRST PRESENTED AGAIN BY SIX OR THREE-QUARTERS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. AS YOU SEE, WE'VE JUST MOVED TO THE LOWER PRIORITY. THIS IS THE FIRST NINE LOWER PRIORITIES. IF YOU WANTED TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS YOU COULD. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE WAY THIS READS IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, THE STRIKETHROUGH HERE, IF YOU'LL NOTE, IT'S NOT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. SAY THERE WERE ONLY FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, YOU CAN STILL HOLD A MEETING. IT WOULD ONLY TAKE THOSE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PASS AN ORDINANCE BY UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE SAME NIGHT WITH A FIRST AND SECOND READ. THIS ACTUALLY WOULD REQUIRE THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THREE-FOURTHS OF ALL MEMBERS ELECTED, NOT JUST THOSE PRESENCE SO IT'S ALL SEVEN. THAT'S ANOTHER ADDED BENEFIT. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. DON'T BE SAD I'LL BE BACK. [LAUGHTER] >> LET'S SEE WHAT'S NEXT. THIS IS A LOW PRIORITY ONE. THIS RELATES TO TAXING AUTHORITY AND TO MORE CLEARLY DEFINE THE ABILITIES OF THE COUNCIL TO ADMINISTER THE TAX CODE. THIS SIMPLY SAYS THAT THE BUDGET, TAXATION, AND PHYSICAL POWERS OF THE CITY ARE A MATTER OF [04:40:01] LOCAL CONCERN AND THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A SYSTEM FOR THE ASSESSMENT, LEVY, AND COLLECTION OF ALL CITY TAXES. CURRENTLY, THE THE STATE ADMINISTERS OUR TAX COLLECTION. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A MODEL CITY TAX CODE AND WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY ON THERE UNDER THAT TO COLLECT TAXES AT THE STATE IS NOT DOING IT FOR US. THIS IS A LOWER PRIORITY ITEM. >> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. HEIDI HANSEN; ECONOMIC VITALITY DIRECTOR. THIS IS A HIGH-PERFORMING GOVERNANCE PRIORITY, BUT IT IS A LOW PRIORITY. I THINK WE SHOULD SAY YOU DO ALL OF THEM. BUT ANYWAY, THIS ONE IS SALE OF CITY PROPERTY. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO MODIFY FIRST THE TITLE, AND TO MAKE IT MAKE MORE SENSE. BASICALLY, WE WANT IT TO SAY THE SALE OF CITY PERSONAL PROPERTY. THE CITY ALSO WANTS TO BE FLEXIBLE TO SELL PERSONAL PROPERTY ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN PUT TO COMMUNITY USE VERSUS PRIVATE USE. WE ALSO DESIRE TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. IT SAYS $500 TO $1,000. WE ALSO WANT TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TREASURER, WHICH IS RICK TADDER TO SELL THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AT OR BELOW THE DESIGNATED THRESHOLD. RIGHT NOW IT CURRENTLY SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZES THIS, BUT THIS IS A FINANCIAL DECISION. THE AMENDMENT CONSOLIDATES ALL CHARTER PROVISIONS RELATED TO PERSONAL PROPERTY IN ONE SECTION OF THE CHARTER. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH. [LAUGHTER] TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION, PATRICK BROWN WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU, HE COULDN'T BE WITH US TONIGHT. BY INCREASING THE THRESHOLD FROM 500 TO 1,000 WHAT IT HELPS THE STAFF WITH IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE SURPLUS PROPERTY THAT IS NO LONGER UTILIZED BY THE CITY, IT'S RETIRED OR REPLACED. WE'RE LOOKING AT DEATHS, VEHICLES ONLY NEED TO BE PUBLICLY ADVERTISED AND SOLICITED. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW MUCH OF THAT WE WOULD BE DOING? THIS SAVES US SOME TIME, SAVES US SOME MONEY FOR THE ADVERTISEMENTS. ALSO, HE SAID THAT THE VALUES OF THE SURPLUS HAVE RISEN BECAUSE OF INFLATION. LASTLY, HE SAID, OF COURSE, IT JUST HELPS BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY PREPARE THE ITEMS, THEY HAVE TO PHOTOGRAPH THE ITEMS, AND THEY HAVE TO LIST THE ITEMS. THAT'S THAT ONE. >> EDDY, CAN I JUMP IN REALLY QUICK IF YOU COULD GO BACK? >> YES. >> I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION COUNCIL ITEMS NUMBER 2 AND 4 THAT YOU SEE HERE THAT ARE STRICKEN. THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE MOVED TO THE SALE OF CITY REAL PROPERTY. JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT STACY. NUMBER 16 IS INVOLVING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS. BASICALLY, STATE STATUTE REQUIRES ONLY ONE PAPER COPY AND ONE DIGITAL COPY TO BE MAINTAINED. BECAUSE OF OUR STORAGE CONSTRAINTS, WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING AND MAINTAINING THREE PHYSICAL COPIES. THIS AMENDMENT REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THREE PHYSICAL COPIES AND IS BROAD ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY FUTURE CHANGES IN STATE LAW. BASICALLY, AS YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE, WE'RE BASICALLY ASKING TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF COPIES AND JUST STRIKE THROUGH THREE COPIES. STACY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU, HEIDI. I PROMISE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. NUMBER 17 DEALS WITH THE SECTION OF OUR CHARTER THAT IS TITLED CASH BASIS FUND SETUP; TRANSFER OF SUMS FROM CASH BASIS FUND TO OTHER FUNDS. THIS IS TRULY A CLEANUP ITEM AND THIS PROVISION WITHIN THE CHARTER IS EXTREMELY ANTIQUATED. IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED IN RECENT HISTORY NOR IN THE NOT-SO-RECENT HISTORY. IN FACT, I WENT BACK TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND THE LAST TIME I FOUND REFERENCE TO ITS USE WAS BACK IN 1968. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE REMOVE THIS PROVISION IN ITS ENTIRETY. [04:45:01] >> TOLD YOU I'D BE BACK. POLICE COURT, I THINK WE ASK OUR OFFICERS TO DO ENOUGH ALREADY, RATHER THAN ASKING THEM TO BE OUR COURT AND POLICE AT THE SAME TIME. WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS LANGUAGE BE PULLED OUT OF THE CHARTER AND CHANGED TO A MORE CONSISTENT LANGUAGE. THIS IS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT SECTIONS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED A LITTLE WHILE AGO, COUNCILMEMBER MCCARTHY WAS, ARE THESE ALL BLOCKED INTO ONE SINGLE QUESTION? THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH I COMMENTED TO STACY. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND BY THE WAY, I SHOULD STOP JUST FOR A SECOND TO SAY STACY DESERVES ALL THE KUDOS ON THIS. SHE COORDINATED EVERYTHING, ALL OF THE MEETINGS. SHE KNOWS THE CHARTER BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS. JUST DID AN AMAZING JOB. KUDOS TO STACY. [APPLAUSE] SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB PUTTING THE WHOLE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. BUT THIS IS A SIMPLE REFLEX. THE CURRENT USE OF WHAT WE CALL THE MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE MAGISTRATES OR THE JUDGES. THIS SIMPLE AMENDMENT WOULD ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE US MAKING THOSE CHANGES, IT'S CLERICAL MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. FINALLY, ONE MORE, JUST A LITTLE BACKUP OR BACKGROUND MATERIAL HERE OR INFORMATION FOR YOU. IF YOU SIT ON THE COUNCIL UP THERE AND YOU DECIDE NOT TO VOTE AYE OR NAY ON A MEASURE, ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU, IT'S CONSIDERED AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. IT'S A YES VOTE UNDER THE CHARTER. THIS DIDN'T REALLY PROVIDE FOR AN EXCUSE WHEN YOU DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IF YOU DECLARE A CONFLICT, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS, MY ADVICE IS YOU STATE THAT CONFLICT AT THE BEGINNING OR THE OUTSET OF THE ITEM, INDICATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE STEPPING OFF THE DIAS, ALLOW THE DISCUSSION AND THE PRESENTATION AND THE VOTE TO CONTINUE AND THEN COME BACK IN WHEN THAT ITEM IS COMPLETED. YOUR VOTE WENT DOWN AS AN AYE VOTE IN THE PAST, TECHNICALLY UNDER THE CHARTER, BUT THAT ISN'T THE BEST THING. THIS LANGUAGE IN RED HERE BASICALLY ALLOWS YOU TO DECLARE THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND NOT BE CASTING A VOTE BY FAILING TO VOTE. PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. THANKS. >> HELLO AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL. THIS IS ALSO CLEAN UP. WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN SECTION ARTICLE 9, AND SECTION 2A AND B TO PUT US BETTER IN LINE WITH STATE LAW, WHICH STATES THAT THE CITY CANNOT PREVENT REGISTERED VOTERS FROM VOTING IF THEY HAVE NOT LIVED IN THE CITY FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. VOTER REGISTRATION IS A PURVIEW OF THE STATE AND COUNTY, AND THE DELETION OF THESE LINES FROM THE CHARTER WILL AFFECT THE CURRENT PRACTICE AND BRINGS THE CHARTER INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE DELETING. >> WE HAVE REACHED 21, THIS RELATES TO THE CITY TREASURER. ANOTHER ITEM THAT IS VERY MUCH A CLEAN UP ITEM. CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE COUNCIL MUST APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER'S APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY TREASURER. THIS IS JUST A FORMALITY, IF YOU WILL, AND REMOVING THAT FORMALITY, WE'LL BRING OUR CHARTER MORE IN LINE WITH THE COUNCIL/MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE OPERATE UNDER, WHICH INDICATES THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL HIRING DECISIONS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, ASIDE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MAGISTRATE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REMOVE OR TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE WITH APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL. THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS. I WILL TAKE JUST A VERY BRIEF MOMENT TO PAUSE AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE GROUP, OUR INTERNAL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. THEY REVIEWED A LOT OF INFORMATION AND WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING FORWARD WHAT YOU SEE TODAY. AS FOR NEXT STEPS, I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU AS COUNCIL AS TO WHICH AMENDMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. BASED ON THAT DIRECTION, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, STAFF WILL GO BACK, REFINE, FINALIZE ALL OF THE LANGUAGE. THAT LANGUAGE WILL BE CAREFULLY VETTED, NOT ONLY WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW TEAM, BUT ALSO WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IS ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW AND ON THE UP AND UP. THAT FINAL BALLOT LANGUAGE WILL BE DETERMINED AND I [04:50:01] WILL BRING FORWARD A CALL OF ELECTION RESOLUTION. THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN ADVANCE OF YOUR SUMMER RECESS. DURING YOUR SUMMER BREAK, WE WILL WORK ON DEVELOPING AN EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH PLAN AND VARIOUS MATERIALS FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE SOLICITING FOR PRO CON STATEMENTS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PUBLICITY PAMPHLET AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PAMPHLET ITSELF. ALL OF THIS WILL ULTIMATELY CULMINATE WITH THE ELECTION OF NOVEMBER 7, 2023 SHOULD THAT BE THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL. WITH THAT MAYOR, I WILL TURN IT BACK TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, AND DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL THINK ABOUT DOING THIS IN SECTIONS? SAY, LIKE FOR THE TOP PRIORITIES, IF WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THE TOP PRIORITIES GOING ON THE BALLOT, JUST YES, AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY BELOW THAT THAT WE WANT TO PICK OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON. VICE MAYOR. >> YOU'RE FINE MAYOR, FOLLOW YOUR PROCESS. THIS IS ABOUT ONE OF THE LOW PRIORITY ONES. >> IS EVERYONE IN SUPPORT OF THE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS GOING ON THE BALLOT TO VOTERS? YES. OH, COMMENT. MCCARTHY. >> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF OUR HIGH PRIORITY ONES, BUT THERE WERE SOME LITTLE SUBTLE CHANGES THAT I HAD SUGGESTED, SO CONSISTENT WITH THAT AND STAFF REVIEW I AM SUPPORTIVE. >> YES >> STACY, WE HAVE 21 SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THE CHARTER. IS THERE LIKE A MAXIMUM? LIKE WHEN YOU PUT A BOND QUESTION OUT ONTO THE BALLOT. IS IT GOOD TO STAY WITHIN A CERTAIN LIKE NO MORE THAN 10 OR 15 OR CAN ALL 21 GO? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YES, ALL 21 COULD BE PUT ON A BALLOT. WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL ELECTION. IT'S IN AN OFF YEAR, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT TO COMPETE WITH THESE QUESTIONS. YOU'RE NOT DECIDING CANDIDATES, YOU'RE NOT DECIDING STATE INITIATIVES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THIS WOULD BE A BALLOT THAT'S SOLELY DEDICATED TO CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS. NOW, WE CAN BRING FORWARD 21, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I HAVE KNOWN OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD THAT MANY. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A DECISION FOR YOU AS THE COUNCIL TO WRESTLE WITH A LITTLE BIT WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT 21 IS TOO MANY. OR IF WE SHOULD LOOK AT A LOWER NUMBER. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE CHARTER BACK IN 2015 WHEN IT WAS AMENDED LAST, THE FIRST ELECTION WE BROUGHT FORWARD 12 QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD ANOTHER ELECTION A FEW MONTHS LATER THAT HAD NINE QUESTIONS. IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY THRESHOLD THERE. BUT AGAIN, IN FACT, WE HAD A COMMUNITY, I THINK JUST THIS YEAR THAT'S BRINGING FORWARD 30 AMENDMENTS. IT'S REALLY A THRESHOLD THAT YOU AS COUNCIL GET TO DECIDE. >> WILL THIS BE AN ALL MAIL ELECTION? >> IT WILL, YES. [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN I SAID IT, [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK IT'S GENDER INCLUSIVE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> YOU ALL MUST BE TIRED. [LAUGHTER]. CAN WE DO LIKE 10 AND 11 TO PUT THEM ON THE BALLOT? THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR RIGHT NOW. >> WE'LL START THERE. WE COULD SEPARATE THEM OUT, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE TWO SEPARATE ELECTIONS. >> BECAUSE USUALLY PEOPLE'S ATTENTION SPAN AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT IS IT HERE? THREE MINUTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SHE USED TO BE A TEACHER, SO I KNOW SHE KNOWS. WHATEVER THE ATTENTION SPAN IS FOR PEOPLE UNLESS, THEY ARE PEOPLE LIKE STERLING WHO WOULD READ EVERY SINGLE [LAUGHTER] THING ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. HOW MUCH WILL PEOPLE REALLY PAY ATTENTION IF THEY HAVE TOO MANY? >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL OFFER IS THAT WHAT THIS BEING AN ALL MAIL-IN ELECTION, THERE IS MORE TIME FOR VOTERS TO TAKE, TO FILL OUT THEIR BALLOT AND TO RETURN THAT. SO THAT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO SIT DOWN, [04:55:02] LOOK AT YOUR EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, FILL OUT YOUR BALLOT, MAIL IT BACK, DROP IT OFF, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, SO THERE'S THAT COMPONENT. EXACTLY. THEY COULD TAKE A WEEK TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE BEFORE THEY MAKE SOME FINAL DECISIONS. THAT'S ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND. THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THAT IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO SAY, LET'S BRING FORWARD ALL 21, LET'S JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE PUT THEM ON THE BALLOT IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE MAY BE MORE ATTENTION GIVEN TO THOSE MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING VERSUS THOSE AT THE END, WE REFER TO THAT AS VOTER FATIGUE. BUT I THINK WITH NOT HAVING THE PRESSURE OF STANDING IN A POLLING PLACE AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH 21 QUESTIONS. BUT HAVING TIME TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THESE AND SIT DOWN AT YOUR KITCHEN TABLE OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS, I THINK COULD HELP WITH MANAGING THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. >> YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? >> OKAY. >> WHEN YOU'VE DONE MAIL-IN ELECTIONS BEFORE, WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR RETURN? >> ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. I'M GLAD I RESEARCHED THIS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE THE ANSWER. VOTER TURNOUT DOES DECLINE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY WITH ANY SPECIAL ELECTION THAT'S NOT TIED TO OTHER STATE OR PERHAPS FEDERAL QUESTIONS. THE LAST ELECTION, I THINK WE HAD 23% VOTER TURNOUT IN 2015. I THINK THAT WAS THE SECOND ROUND. I THINK THE FIRST ROUND WAS PROBABLY IN THE 21, 22. IT IS UNFORTUNATE. WE SEE THAT AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR ALL MAIL ELECTIONS, IT IS FOR ANY ELECTION THAT'S NOT HELD WITHIN THE SAME CONTEXT OF OTHER QUESTIONS. >> IF WE SPLIT THESE QUESTIONS, WOULD IT BE SOME WOULD GO ON THE SPECIAL ELECTION THIS YEAR AND THE REST WOULD BE ON THE GENERAL OR ON THE PRIMARY NEXT YEAR? >> YOU COULD DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE. WE CAN PUT CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON A PRIMARY OR A GENERAL ELECTION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TRY NOT TO COMPETE WITH OTHER BALLOT MEASURES. WE HEARD TODAY THAT MOUNTAIN LINE IS LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL QUESTION ON THE 2024 BALLOT. I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN ATTENTION THING. I THINK WITH CHARTER AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE VERY TECHNICAL, THEY TEND TO BE SOMEWHAT ADMINISTRATIVE. I THINK HAVING THEM ON THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL BALLOT DOES HAVE BENEFIT OVER TRYING TO SQUISH THEM IN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. I CERTAINLY WILL. >> WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THE TOP PRIORITY GO ON THE BALLOT. MOVING DOWN THEN. LET ME ASK THIS BECAUSE MAYBE WE GET CONSENSUS AND WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO IT ANY FURTHER. WHO WOULD SUPPORT PUTTING ALL OF THEM ON THIS NOVEMBER BALLOT? YES, YOU CAN. >> I WOULD SUPPORT PUTTING ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE AGREED TO ON THE BALLOT. THERE MAY BE AT LEAST ONE THAT I DON'T SUPPORT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT I WOULD PUT THE WHOLE LIST ON, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO CATEGORY 2 TELL ME WHAT NUMBERS THAT IS, BECAUSE I TOOK NOTES BASED ON NUMBERS, NOT ON HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW PRIORITY. >> YOU BET. ITEMS 7 THROUGH 12 ARE CATEGORIZED AS MEDIUM PRIORITY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> I WOULD SAY PUT THEM ALL ON THE BALLOT, BUT I WOULD WANT US TO TRY AND NOT TRY TO PUT MORE WORK ON STAFF. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP HOWEVER I CAN. BUT LET'S DO SOME OUTREACH AND SOME EDUCATION AND TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN TAKE THE SHOW ON THE ROAD, NOT THE BALLOTS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, [LAUGHTER] BUT TAKE IT OUT TO PLACES OR EVENTS OR THINGS OR TABLING OR ALL OF THE ABOVE SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE GENERATE MORE PARTICIPATION. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU AND I ARE SHARING THE SAME BRAINWAVES HERE. AS A CLERK AND AS MY COMMITMENT TO ELECTIONS IS INCREDIBLY STRONG, I WANT TO SEE THAT NUMBER MUCH HIGHER THAN 23%. [05:00:01] >> CITY MANAGER. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK AN UNDERLYING INTENT HERE IS TO DO A LOT OF OUTREACH OVER THE COUNCIL RECESS. THAT WORKS WELL TIMING-WISE. WE WERE BUSY WITH THAT LAST YEAR, WORKED TO OUR FAVOR, SO THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA AND IT WOULD BE ALL FORUMS, SOCIAL MEDIA, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, WHAT HAVE YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER MCCARTHY, WHICH IS THE ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS? >> IT'S IN THE THIRD CATEGORY. DO YOU WANT ME TO DISCUSS IT NOW? >> SURE. >> THIS IS NUMBER 13. THAT'S THE ONE ABOUT SECOND READS AND ALL THAT. I READ THIS OVER THE WEEKEND, BUT I NEED A REFRESHER. THIS WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED A SECOND READ IF WE HAD UNANIMOUS APPROVAL ON FIRST READ. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT WHEN I PRESENTED, MOST ORDINANCES ARE STILL GOING TO BE PRESENTED FOR A FIRST AND A SECOND READ. THAT'S THE STANDARD. IT WOULD ONLY BE IF THERE IS SOME NEED TO GO QUICKLY TO GET AN ORDINANCE APPROVED QUICKLY, THAT WE WOULD BE CHANGING IT TO ONE READ ALL IN ONE NIGHT. >> THAT WOULD TAKE THREE-QUARTERS. >> THAT WOULD TAKE SIX VOTES. [OVERLAPPING] WE BROUGHT ONE TO YOU FAIRLY RECENTLY. WHICH ONE WAS IT? >> HAD TO DO WITH SOME FLOODING PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS. >> SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND WE NEEDED A FIRST AND SECOND READER ON THE FIRST NIGHT. IT DIDN'T QUITE QUALIFY FOR AN EMERGENCY. WE COULDN'T DO THAT. BUT WE DID ASK FOR A FIRST AND SECOND READ ON ONE NIGHT AND YOU WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED IT THAT WAY, BUT IT WOULD CONTINUE THE SAME WAY WE WOULD NORMALLY POST FOR A FIRST READ ON THIS MEETING AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER A SECOND READ. I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT. >> UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY? IT'S THAT A VOTE OF COUNCIL BASICALLY? >> IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL BRING TO YOU TO SAY, HEY, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A NEED. HERE'S WHY WE NEEDED TO GET THIS PROPERTY ACQUISITION INTO THE PIPELINE INTO THE COURTS SOON ENOUGH, AND WE NEEDED THAT 30 DAYS TO GO BY FOR THE REFERRAL PERIODS. IT IS A TOOL THAT YOU HAVE AND IT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO ASK THE VOTERS FOR PERMISSION TO DO THAT BY THREE-QUARTERS VOTE OF COUNCIL, RATHER THAN A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF COUNCIL. >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE A UNANIMOUS VOTE IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT THEN WE'RE GOING TO SKIP THE SECOND READ, I THINK IT SHOULD BE UNANIMOUS. >> WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING TO YOU SOME OPTIONS HERE, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IS. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. IS IT SAYING THAT WE ARE SKIPPING THE SECOND READ OR THAT WE WOULD DO THEM BOTH ON THE SAME NIGHT? >> GO AHEAD. >> IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD DO BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND READ ON THE SAME NIGHT. AS STERLING SAID, WE HAD ONE OF THESE COME FORWARD NOT TOO LONG AGO. WHERE THIS IS DIFFERENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DECLARING AN EMERGENCY, SO WE HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR CHARTER THAT SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY NOT ONLY WITH THE FIRST AND SECOND, WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM ON THE SAME NIGHT, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE 30 DAY WAITING PERIOD. RIGHT NOW THAT ONLY REQUIRES THREE-QUARTERS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING HERE IS THAT WE BRING THE TWO ACTIONS INTO EQUALITY, RIGHT NOW IT IS HARDER TO DO A FIRST AND SECOND READ ON THE SAME NIGHT AND MAINTAIN THE 30-DAY WAITING PERIOD THAN IT IS TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, AND MAKE THAT ORDINANCE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT A 30-DAY WAITING PERIOD. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THIS NUMBER 13 ALSO CLARIFIES BECAUSE UNANIMOUS COULD BE IF FOUR OF US ARE HERE A QUORUM. >> NO. THE WAY THAT IT CURRENTLY READS RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD JUST DO A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF FOUR. >> COULD YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AGAIN? >> SLIDE NUMBER 32 UP. THE LANGUAGE THAT IS STRICKEN HERE, UNANIMOUS CONSENT OF THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. IF YOU ONLY HAD A QUORUM OF FOUR HERE, ALL SIX WOULD STILL HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT. THAT'S THE WAY IT READS RIGHT NOW. [05:05:02] YOU CAN'T DO IT BY THREE-QUARTERS VOTE RIGHT NOW AT ALL. >> THIS IS SAYING THREE-QUARTERS OF THOSE ELECTED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE PRESENT. >> CORRECT. >> OR NOT. >> SO WE COULDN'T LIKE COG TIE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BACK AND [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, IF YOU HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS MISSING AND ONLY FIVE HERE, YOU COULDN'T GET THE THREE-QUARTERS VOTE. MATHEMATICALLY, IT COULD JUST JUST HAPPEN. LAWYERS DON'T DO MATH A WHOLE LOT BY THE WAY. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PHYSICALLY HERE BECAUSE THE PERSON COULD DO IT REMOTELY, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT ABSENT FROM THE MEETING. >> I THINK SOME OF THE INTENT WITH WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING HERE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE TAKING AWAY THAT TWO-WEEK PERIOD IN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READ, I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION COLLECTIVELY AS A WHOLE VERSUS IF ONLY FOUR PEOPLE WERE HERE, IT WOULD REQUIRE ALL FOUR OF THEM TO SAY, YES. I THINK IT ALSO ENSURES THAT WE HAVE ALL VOICES OF COUNCIL REPRESENTED IN THAT DECISION NOT TO WAIT. >> COUNCILMEMBER MCCARTHY, HOW DOES THAT SIT WITH YOU? >> THE 30-DAY WAITING PROVISION, IS THAT A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CHARTER WE'RE NOT CHANGING NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S STATE LAW AND A 30-DAY REFERRAL PERIOD. >> WHAT IS THIS 30? WE CAN WAIVE THAT AND HOW DO WE WAVE IT? >> BY DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. >> ONLY AN EMERGENCY CAN DO THAT. >> THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC REASONS TO CALL AN EMERGENCY. >> HOW MANY VOTES DOES IT TAKE? >> THREE-QUARTERS. >> THREE-QUARTERS. >> SIX OUT OF THE SEVEN? >> I GUESS I CAN LIVE WITH IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT TIME. >> YEAH, SO ARE WE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS GOING ON IN NOVEMBER 2023 BALLOT? >> NO, I STILL HAD A CONCERN AND THE THIRD TIER. >> OH, GO AHEAD. >> NUMBER 21. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD AMEND THAT. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ABDICATING OUR ROLE AND AUTHORITY ON THE TREASURER. THAT'S THE RIGHT ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD WANT TO ABDICATE THAT ROLE AND UNLESS THERE'S A VERY CLEAR POINTED REASON THAT OUR CITY MANAGER CAN COME UP WITH, THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC, BUT GENERAL, I COULD SEE SCENARIOS WHERE I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL TO SPECIFICALLY BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE CITY TREASURER'S ROLE. IT FEELS LIKE ONE OF THOSE SEPARATE BUT EQUAL PORTIONS OF OUR APPARATUS AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN ADVICE AND CONSENT FOR THAT. I DON'T SEE THIS COUNCIL, BY THE WAY, EVER NEEDING TO REALLY WEIGH THAT. JEEZ, RICK, I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. [LAUGHTER] BUT I JUST THINK AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE CONSENT FOR. >> COUNCILMEMBER MCCARTHY. >> I ACTUALLY HAD THAT ON MY LIST TO DELETE THAT ALSO. I AGREE WITH MR. ASLAN AND THE OTHER THING IS, BY DELETING THIS, IT DOESN'T RELIEVE US OF HARDLY ANY EFFORT. IT'S JUST SUCH A ROUTINE THING NORMALLY. WHEN YOU HAVE A GUY LIKE RICK, GOD, NO PROBLEM. [LAUGHTER] BUT SERIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH BOTHERING THE VOTERS WITH THIS. >> YEAH. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SHORTEN THE LIST, SO I WOULD SAY TAKE THAT ONE OFF. >> I THINK THERE'S POLITICAL PERIL HERE TOO, THIS ITEM THAT IF WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THE VOTERS TO STRIKE, THEY COULD START ASKING QUESTIONS THAT JUST AREN'T NECESSARY AND IRRELEVANT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> MAYOR, CAN I ASK THE CITY MANAGER QUESTION? >> CERTAINLY. >> CITY MANAGER, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR REASONING OR OUR REASONING FOR WANTING TO DO THIS? HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US? I SEE WITH THE ATTORNEY SO HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? >> YEAH THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER. [05:10:01] FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ITEM NUMBER 21 OUT OF 21 [LAUGHTER] IT JUST BARELY MADE THE LIST. FRANKLY, I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY GREAT REASON OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ARTICULATED. IF WE WANT TO MAKE PURE THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNANCE, WHICH WE OPERATE UNDER. THIS ONE ARGUABLY MAKES THAT A LITTLE BIT LESS CLEAR. BUT IT'S ONE POSITION. IT IS AN IMPORTANT POSITION THAT THE TREASURER AND NOBODY'S GOING TO HAVE HEARTBURN OVER THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. THESE THINGS THAT GO TO THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. I THINK THE ONES THAT WE SPENT TIME WITH ABOVE THIS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IS AN ISSUE. THE PERSONAL HANDBOOK IS A BIT OF AN ISSUE, NOT NECESSARILY WITH ME, BUT WITH MY POSITION IT COULD BE. I THINK AS YOU ANALYZE THESE THINGS, YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL. YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE POSITION AND THE STRUCTURE. SAY, OKAY WOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM FOR FUTURE CITY MANAGER? WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM FOR OUR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL? I THINK IN THAT ANALYSIS GOING TO DEVISE MAYOR'S COMMENT. I THINK A CAN ANSWER IS NO. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. FRANKLY, BEFORE THIS WAS MADE REFERENCE TO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED IN THE CHARTER [LAUGHTER] >> I GOT APPOINTED BEFORE YOU GOT HERE [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE SAFE GREG. >> CITY ATTORNEY I APPRECIATE HIS COMMENT ON THE 21 OUT OF 21, IT DID JUST BARELY MAKE THE LIST. FROM AN JUST OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE, HAVING REPRESENTED SEVERAL OTHER CHARTER COMMUNITIES BEFORE COMING HERE TO FLAGSTAFF. THIS IS ONE THAT IT'S HALF A DOZEN TO WANT AND WHATEVER THE SAYING IS THE OTHER. SERIOUSLY, SOME CHARTERS ARE MORE PURE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT ON THE TREASURER AND SOME HAVE THE COUNCIL APPROVING IT. IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT RAISING QUESTIONS, I SEE THAT BEING A VALID CONCERN, VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. RED. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS WHERE IT MAY MAKE SENSE IS FROM A RECRUITING PERSPECTIVE. CITY MANAGER, WCDMA HAS RECRUIT A MANAGEMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT POSITION WOULD BE THE CITY TREASURER. BUT IF THE CITY MANAGER KNEW THAT THIS POSITION WOULD ALWAYS BE APPOINTED, THE CITY TREASURER THAT ADD TO THE ABILITY TO RECRUIT DIFFERENTLY. YOU COULD PUT THAT INTO THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND SAY YOU WILL BE APPOINTED TREASURER AND SO FORTH. THAT ADDS TO THE VALUE FROM A RECRUITING SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE IS THE FLEXIBILITY. HEAVEN FORBID THAT SOMETHING'S OCCURS THAT TAKES ME AWAY FROM MY POSITION FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO FORTH. THE CITY MANAGER CAN QUICKLY ADAPT AND APPOINT A NEW CITY TREASURER TO TAKE THAT ROLE. INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH A FORMAL PROCESS OF SELECTING SOMEBODY, WRITING A RESOLUTION AND HAVING COUNCIL ADOPT THAT WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATION IS. THAT JUST HELPS WITH THE PROCESS OF FLUIDITY APPOINTING CITY TREASURER. NOT THAT I THINK THIS HAS TO BE ON THE ELECTION, BUT THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF WHY MAYBE THIS IS NOT NEEDED AT THIS POINT. >> YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING SEPARATION OF POWERS IN THIS INSTANCE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR PURSE. I JUST THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF ADVICE AND CONSENT. BUT I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS ONE INTO THE GROUND. MY SENSE IS THAT EVERYONE'S ON BOARD WITH KEEPING OUR NUMBER AT 20. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAD HER HAND UP. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M REALLY INDIFFERENT TO IT OTHER THAN I AM A FAN OF KEEPING THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT PURE. I'VE SEEN ON A FEW OCCASIONS WHERE SOMETIMES WE TRY TO STEP OVER AND RUN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT AND NOT ALLOW OUR CITY MANAGER TO DO WHAT WE HIRE HIM FOR AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE'S A LITTLE TENSION THERE FOR ME BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WE SHOULD KEEP IT PURE AND DO THAT AND FOCUS ON OUR JOB AND HAVE THE CITY MANAGER FOCUSED ON HIS JOB. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A BIG STINK ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AND THEN AGAIN, [05:15:03] LETTING THE CITIZENS DECIDE HOW TO DO THAT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOCUS ON WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES IS AND WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. >> ARE THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, STRONG FEELINGS. >> WE WOULD NEED A MAJORITY THAT SAYS WE WANT TO REMOVE 21. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT, MAYOR [BACKGROUND] >> THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO REMOVE NUMBER 21? WHO WANTS TO REMOVE 21 AND VICE MAYOR THREE. I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER [BACKGROUND] >> CAN I JUST SAY AGAIN THAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE POLITICS OF THIS. I JUST THINK IT'S GOING TO CREATE QUESTIONS IN VOTERS, AND THEY'RE UNNECESSARY QUESTIONS. I THINK WE'RE OVERLY COMPLICATING THE PROCESS HERE BY TINKERING WITH THE CITY'S PURSE WITH VOTERS. IT'S JUST UNNECESSARY. IT'S NOT A NECESSARY CHANGE. I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR AND IF I COULD ASK YOU TO EITHER PUT A C OR Q IN THE CHAT SO I CAN CALL ON YOU THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS? >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYONE HERE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. IF VOTERS GOING TO ASK US QUESTIONS, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS. I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF IT GOES ON THE BALLOT AND IF IT DOES NOT GO ON THE BALLOT, AND I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND DEFEND OUR POSITION WHETHER WE VOTED FOR IT OR AGAINST IT. THIS IS NOT THE SWORD I WANT TO DIE ON. >> I'LL ADD MY THUMB TO REMOVING 21. EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. >> NO. >> CITY MANAGER. >> THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL, JUST TO ALSO ADD TO THE COMFORT LEVEL HERE, THIS IS A WORK SESSION WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU AGAIN, GO INTO THE NEXT STEPS. LIKELY TO HAVE MORE CITIZEN INPUT. COUNCIL IS NOT BEYOND A POINT OF NO RETURN HERE, SO THINGS COULD BE REVISITED. THIS HAS JUST GIVEN US DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ATTENTION TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, I DON'T SEE ANY. NUMBER 16, INFORMATIONAL ITEMS 2 FROM [16. Informational Items To/From Mayor, Council, and City Manager; future agenda item requests] MAYOR COUNCIL CITY MANAGER OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS. I'LL START DOWN HERE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. VICE MAYOR ASLAN AND MYSELF WENT AND TOURED THE WILDCAT SOLID WASTE FACILITY. IT WAS VERY EDUCATIONAL. I DID HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING THE GAS SMELL OUT OF MY NOSE FOR ABOUT A DAY. BUT I OVERCAME IT, BUT IT WAS REALLY GREAT AND I ENCOURAGE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE TO GO BECAUSE I HAD SUCH A BIOLOGY LESSON AND JUST REALLY FOUND OUT SOME STUFF THAT I HAD NO IDEA WHEN ON THERE, SO IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS. >> YES. I WAS SCHEDULED TO GO FRIDAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO THE STAFF. I HAVE UNFORESEEN BABYSITTING DUTIES ON FRIDAY, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO ON MY TOUR. BUT KENTUCKY DERBY LAST SATURDAY WAS AMAZING. THEY RAISED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR KIDS, FOR SCHOLARSHIPS, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND SO IT WAS REALLY NICE. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. THIS THURSDAY THE UNIVERSITY IS DOING ALL OF THEIR COMPLICATIONS. THEY START AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND I BELIEVE YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN INVITATIONS TO ALL OF THE COMPLICATIONS. [05:20:02] I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO ATTEND, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, AND ASK OUR CITY CLERK IF SHE COULD PROBABLY POST THEM IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME. BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY MOVING CEREMONIES BECAUSE THE STUDENTS GET THEIR STALLS AND THEY'RE ALL VERY SIGNIFICANT, ALL OF THE STALLS. I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO AND THEY'RE OPEN TO THE WHOLE PUBLIC. THEN THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OR AT LEAST PUT OUT THERE, IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE DID SOME TRAINING FOR OUR COMMISSIONS, AND I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. I JUST THINK THAT COMMISSION'S NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND THEIR DUTIES. I THINK THAT WILL SAVE ALL OF US A LOT OF HEADACHES. PLUS I THINK THAT IT'S JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUNDS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE LEARNED HOW TO WORK IN A GROUP. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. VICE MAYOR. >> REAL QUICK, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO THE LITTLE BUDDY ON COUNCIL HERE THAT HAS BEEN JOINING ME THE ENTIRE EVENING. SHE'S GOT A BROKEN HIP AND SHE'S NOT REALLY FOLLOWING OUR CONVERSATION VERY WELL, BUT IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO KEEP HER COMPANY THIS AFTERNOON. I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING ME WITH HER. REAL QUICK, DID ENJOY THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TOUR. REALLY FASCINATING TO BE OUT ON SITE AND SEE THOSE THINGS AND SEE ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THE UNDERGROUND TUNNELS AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I ALWAYS BENEFIT FROM ON-SITE TOURS. I'M AN EXPERIENTIAL LEARNER. THIS IS JUST A CLARION CALL. ANY DEPARTMENT, ANY DIVISION WHO WANTS TO SHOW ME SOMETHING, JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW, WE'LL GET IT SCHEDULED. I MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO YOU. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH UPON REAL BRIEFLY AGAIN BECAUSE I ALREADY MADE IT A LITTLE BIT PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT COMING. I FACILITATED A MEETING BETWEEN NAH AND BLOCK LIGHT THAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT AS THINGS GET FIRMED UP, UNINTENDED. I HAD A REALLY NICE MEETING WITH A CLASSROOM OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM NORTHLAND PREPARATORY ACADEMY COUPLE OF DAYS AGO. I DO HAVE TWO FARES, SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS VERY BRIEF. THE FIRST FARE IS REGARDING A RESOLUTION TO RECOGNIZE AND SUPPORT THE BUDGET NAWAB JOE ITO COOKED OF ANY NATIONAL MONUMENT ASSOCIATED CONNECTED OR CONTIGUOUS WITH THE GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK. I THINK I'VE ALREADY SENT LANGUAGE OVER TO THE APPROPRIATE CITY STAFF ON THAT ONE. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT I SHOULD MENTION IT OUT LOUD AT A COUNCIL MEETING JUST TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A FULL FARE. THE OTHER ITEM IS I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT A POND RIGHT NEXT TO THE PONDEROSA TRAILS NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN POLYAMORY AND I 17. THIS WOULD BE JUST NORTH OF THE 32 ACRES WE HAVE UP THERE FOR OUR ENTERPRISE FUND. VERY CLOSE TO THE COSMIC RAY SHIT TUNNEL AMENITY. I HAVE SOME IDEAS FOR THAT SPACE. LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT SHOULD BE GOING ON RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE NAH CONVERSATION AND SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING REGARDING THOSE 32 ACRES. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT IN THE MIX. I THINK IT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMENITY. IT WOULD BE REALLY NEAT. THIS ISN'T COMING FROM ME, IT'S COMING FROM RESIDENTS FOR SOMETHING LIKE TO DO SOMETHING OVER THERE THAT WE ALREADY DO WITH FRANCIS SHORT POND, JUST MAKE IT A PERMANENT. WHEN WE DO HAVE THAT TOO FIRM CONVERSATION, I WILL PROVIDE SOME PHOTOS AND SOME FURTHER CONTEXTS, AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME TONIGHT. EXCEPT MAYOR I WANT TO APOLOGIZE IF I SPOKE OUT A TURN A MOMENT AGO. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. >> I GUESS I'LL JUST MENTION THAT I'VE TOURED THE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND I LEARNED A LOT TOO. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR TONIGHT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE NAH GRADUATES. IT'S EXCITING. DON'T FORGET THAT SUNDAY IS MOTHER'S DAY, SO CALL YOUR MOM. I DIDN'T LEAVE A MAGAZINE. IT'S A NATIONAL MAGAZINE AND FLAGSTAFF IS IN IT. [05:25:04] IT'S FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ON THE STARTER HOME MODEL. IT'S A GOOD READ. I WILL BE ON CAF RADIO THURSDAY MORNING ALSO TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH SOME HISTORY CLASSES AT NORTHLAND PREPARATORY SCHOOL THIS PAST WEEK. JUST ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOUSING IN FLAGSTAFF AND THE ANSWERS ARE AMAZING AND VERY TOUGH QUESTIONS THAT REMINDED ME VERY MUCH OF BEING ON THE CAMPAIGN CIRCUIT AND FACING SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. BUT I WAS JUST IMPRESSED AND VERY AMAZED AT HOW WELL-INFORMED AND WELL-VERSED THE STUDENTS WERE IN THE DEEP LEVEL OF THOUGHT THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. I'M CERTAIN THAT WE WILL BE SEEING SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS FILL SEATS ON THIS DAY IN THE FUTURE AND IF THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT NOW, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY PUTTING IN A LOT OF GREAT THOUGHT. I ALSO ATTENDED THIS PAST SATURDAY, THE MOBILE CONSULATE EVENT AT COCONINO COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND WAS HONORED TO REPRESENT COUNCIL AND WELCOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR THE VITAL SERVICES THAT WERE BEING OFFERED AT THAT EVENT. I ALSO WAS AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB KENTUCKY DERBY EVENT, AND THAT WAS JUST A LOT OF FUN AND GREAT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT TO SUPPORT THAT ORGANIZATION. IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY, IF I MAY CIRCLE BACK AND COMMENT ON THE READING OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH PROCLAMATION. I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS, THAT THIS ONE IS DEEPLY PERSONAL TO ME. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF AWARENESS OF THE IMPACT OF MENTAL HEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SO MANY WHO GO FOR MUCH OF THEIR LIVES WITHOUT FORMAL DIAGNOSES OR WHO FACED THOSE DIAGNOSES WITH A FEAR OF PERSONAL, FAMILIAL OR COMMUNITY STIGMA IN THE FACE OF THEIR MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES. TO THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY LIVING WITH MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CHALLENGES, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT ALONE. THAT IT IS OKAY TO NOT BE OKAY, AND THAT I IN YOUR COMMUNITY STAND WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. I HATE GOING AFTER YOU. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL THAT THIS MONDAY THE 15TH IS THE MUSEUM FIRE SCHULTZ FLOODING AREA COMMUNITY MEETING AT 05:30 HERE AT CITY HALL. YOU CAN ALSO TUNE IN ONLINE OR YOU CAN WATCH THE VIDEO AFTERWARDS. ALSO FOR COUNCIL THAT ARE STREAMS STEWARDS TEAM IS GOING TO BE DOING OUR CLEAN-UP ALONG THE RIO ON JUNE 3RD AND YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SIGN UP IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.