[1. Call to Order   NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION   Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
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          >> COMMISSIONER DEA, COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, CAN YOU SPEAK SO WE CAN DO A SOUND CHECK? 
          >> YEAH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEA. 
          >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. 
          >> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, YOU HAD AN ECHO. DO YOU WANT TO TRY AGAIN? 
          >> OKAY. WHAT ABOUT NOW? 
          >> NO, I THINK THERE'S TWO DEVICES THAT SAY, ABBY. 
          >> OKAY, LET ME [INAUDIBLE]. 
          [3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT   The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
          >> DO YOU WANT ME KICK ONE OUT? 
          >> IS NOW BETTER? 
          >> YES, NOW WE [OVERLAPPING]. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU 
          >> THANK YOU. TAKE IT AWAY, CHAIR DALE. 
          >> WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MAY 17, 2023 MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION. 
          WE WILL START WITH A ROLL CALL. 
          >>CHAIR DALE. 
          >> PRESENT. 
          >> VICE CHAIR DEA. 
          >> PRESENT. 
          >> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. 
          >> PRESENT. 
          >> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. 
          >> PRESENT. 
          >> COMMISSIONER HAYES. 
          >> PRESENT. 
          >> COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. 
          >>PRESENT. 
          >> THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, WHICH WILL BE READ BY COMMISSIONER HAYES, OUR NEWEST MEMBER. 
          >> THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS. 
          [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the April 19, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission Meeting.]
THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. 
          WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE IS HOME. 
          >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAYES. 
          WE WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          [A. Headline Studio Grant adjustment request PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address:  113 E Aspen Ave Assessor's Parcel Number:  101-21-017 Property Owner:  Sandra Tann Applicant:  Tesano Contracting City Staff:  Mark Reavis REQUESTED ACTION: The contractor representing the property owner is requesting the grant be increased to $10,000 to cover half of the $22,330.28 in work completed because it was all additional costs due to the Certificate of Appropriateness compliance as was the original intent of the grant. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve $9,100 in additional funding to the grant for window and door replacements at 113 E Aspen Ave.]
SARAH, DO WE WANT TO ASK PEOPLE ON TEAMS TO TURN THEIR CAMERAS OFF? FOR THOSE OF YOU ON TEAMS, CAN YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERAS AND MICROPHONES OFF? THANK YOU. SUCH A TERRIBLE MPR VOICE. 
          WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR APRIL 19TH MEETING? 
          >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL MEETING. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          >> A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. ITEM 1 IS ABOUT THE HEADLINE STUDIO GRANT ADJUSTMENT REQUEST, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MARK ROSE. 
          >> THANK YOU. WHERE DO I START ON THIS ONE? 
          >> MARK, I'M SORRY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC. 
          >> WELL, I SHOULD BE COVERED BY ADA ON THIS. 
          >> [LAUGHTER] YOU COULD PROBABLY BE SEATED. 
          >> THAT'S OKAY. NOT EVERYBODY WAS ON THE COMMISSION. 
          SOME PEOPLE DO RECALL THIS HEADLINE STUDIO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT THE MONITORING OF COMPLIANCE WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO MAKE THE WORK COMPATIBLE WAS HANDED TO ME TO MONITOR, AND THE APPLICANT WHO IS REPRESENTING THE CONTRACTOR, DID ADDITIONAL WORK TO MAKE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS FIT IN. 
          VERY UNIQUE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH OLDER BUILDING THAT HAS ANOTHER FACADE ON IT. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BIKKER BUILDING, IT WAS THE POWER HAT SHOP AND ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1897. 
          THEN IT'S THE BUILDING ON ASPEN STREET THAT HAS THAT VERY UNIQUE PEBBLE STONE VENEER ON IT, SO IT'S ONE OF OUR REALLY UNIQUE BUILDINGS. 
          IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, IT'S ALSO IN THE RAILROAD ADDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WENT THE EXTRA MILE. 
          FOR SOME REASON, ON THIS DAY WHEN I WAS PREPARING THE APPLICATION, I TOOK THE BOTTOM LINE AND JUST WROTE IN $900 AS THE TOTAL. 
          THAT'S REALLY OFF FROM THE TOTAL GRANT AMOUNT OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE. 
          I STARTED OUT WITH THAT ERROR. 
          IT WAS APPROVED BY THE HPC. 
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I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T CATCH IT THEN, NOBODY CAUGHT IT. 
          WHEN THE OWNER WENT IN AND THE APPLICANT WENT IN FOR REIMBURSEMENT, ALL THEY GOT PAID WAS $900, AND THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY WENT THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY WRONG HERE. 
          ADJUST TO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THE PRICE OF THE GRANT APPLICATION BE ACKNOWLEDGED. 
          THERE IS ALSO CONFUSION OVER THE FACT OF NOT WRITING IN THE TOTAL PRICE ON THE APPLICANT'S PART OF THAT THEY COULD PUT IN MORE THAN THE DOCUMENTATION OF $10,000. 
          THEY STOPPED IT, CLOSE TO $10,000 AND THEY DIDN'T KEEP GOING ON THE ACTUAL COSTS. 
          I WENT DOWN THERE AT THE CONTRACTOR, CALLED ME DOWN EVERY TIME TO LOOK AT THE SITUATION AS FAR AS TRIM THAT MATCHED ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WAS REQUIRED, THE GRILLS THAT WENT INTO THE PRIMARY WINDOWS, SO THERE WAS A CONSTANT CONTACT OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE THERE. 
          WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE, AN ADDITIONAL WORK WAS DONE TO PRESERVE THIS REALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING. 
          I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO READJUST THE GRANT AMOUNT. 
          THE TOTAL PRICE WAS 22,000, I HAVE IT HERE SOMEWHERE, 22,330.28, AND THAT THE RULES ARE THAT WE DO NOT MATCH MORE THAN $10,000 FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          I WILL ACCEPT ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR STARTING TO SCREW UP WITH THIS WHOLE THING AND WE HAVE THE AMOUNT OF GRANT MONEY THAT WE NEED TO COVER THIS. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE A $10,000 ADJUSTMENT TO THAT GRANT INSTEAD OF LESS THAN $900 ALREADY PAID. 
          >> THANK YOU, MARK. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YOU SAID WE HAVE ENOUGH GRANT MONEY TO COVER, IS IT GOING TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO PAY FURTHER GRANTS OR ANYTHING? 
          >> NO. 
          >> OKAY. QUESTION OR COMMENTS. 
          >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEA. 
          I WOULD MOTION TO JUST APPROVE THE 9,100 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE GRANT FOR WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENTS, 113 EAST ASPEN AVENUE. 
          >> SORRY, COMMISSIONER DEA. I THINK WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER WEST. 
          >> I'M SORRY. 
          >> I'M SORRY. ONCE EMOTIONS STARTED, IT HAS TO HAVE A SECOND AND YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS AFTER THE SECONDS. 
          BUT ONCE SOMEBODY MAKES MOTION, YOU HAVE TO EITHER HAVE A SECOND OR LET IT FAIL. 
          >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE $9,100. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEA AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BIRCH, AND WE WILL NOW OPEN UP FOR COMMENT ON THE MOTION. 
          >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER WEST TIMER, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE OWNER FOR PATIENTS BECAUSE WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES, AND ALSO EMBRACING THAT BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS A FABULOUS BUILDING, AND SO THANK YOU FOR HIRING PEOPLE WHO WERE MASONS AND FOR DOING IT RIGHT AND FIXING WHAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP AND FIND OUT THAT THERE W [LAUGHTER] ERE PROBLEMS INSIDE THE WALLS SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I REALLY SUPPORT MAKING THE GRANT THE FULL 10,000. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          >> THANK YOU AND SPEAKING OF FIXING THINGS, IT DID BRING OUT A LOT OF ISSUES WITH OUR GRANT GUIDELINES AND OUR ACTUAL APPLICATIONS, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER. 
          >> OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS THE 3O. 
          >> TIER DEA. FOR JUST A MOMENT. 
          >> YES. 
          >> I KNOW WE'RE STILL GETTING USED TO MEETING IN THIS ROOM. 
          DO YOU HAVE UP THE CHAT ON YOURS? SORRY. I KNOW WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM AND COMMISSIONER DEA ONLINE. 
          IF YOU COMMISSIONERS WOULD NOT MIND MAKING SURE YOU PUT A C OR RAISE A HAND IN THE TEAMS. I CAN MONITOR THE TEAMS AND LET COMMISSIONER DINO SO WE DON'T UNMUTE AND TALK OVER EACH OTHER BECAUSE THERE IS A SLIGHT DELAY SO YOU MAY ALSO, IN THIS ROOM WANT TO COUNT FIVE BEFORE YOU MOVE ON BECAUSE THERE MAY BE TWO OR THREE SECONDS TO GET THE COMMISSIONERS 
          [B. 318 N Mogollon ADU PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address:  318 N Mogollon  Assessor's Parcel Number:  100-07-010 Property Owner:  Kevin & Rhonda Lowney Applicant:  Updesign studio, Anne Mead Architect City Staff:  MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction of a new Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) with attached 1-car garage placed subservient to the existing home. The application and submitted documentation call out the demolition of the shared garage. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the retention of the primary existing and the construction of a compatible Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) with the demolition of a shared garage at a property located at 318 N Mogollon Street. ]
ONLINE TIED INTO THE CONVERSATION. DOES THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          >> YES, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE ARE ON TEAMS C BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS IN HERE C IF YOU HAVE COMMENT Q, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE IN THE CHAT. 
          >> YES. 
          >> THAT CONSTITUTES THAT. 
          >> NO ONE ON THE MEETING CAN USE THE CHAT FOR COMMENTS, 
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BUT YOU CAN NOTIFY THE LIAISON OR THE CHAIR THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE CALLED ON TO SPEAK, AND I'LL TRY AND MAKE VISIBLE EYE CONTACT [LAUGHTER] WITH WHOEVER THE CHAIR IS TO MAKE SURE WE HANDLE THAT SMOOTHLY. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND ETIQUETTE AS WE ARE BACK IN THE CHAMBER FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. 
          >> WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM, THE 318 NORTH MOGOLLON ADU. 
          >> THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ON LINE HERE I'LL JUST INTRODUCE IT. 
          THIS ONE ALSO CONFUSED ME SLIGHTLY WHEN IT FIRST CAME IN BECAUSE IT'S NEXT DOOR TO THE LAST ADU THAT WE REVIEWED. 
          IT WAS A REHAB OF AN EXISTING BUILDING JUST TO THE SOUTH AND A NEW ADU AND THEN I LOOKED AT 318 AND IT'S VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. 
          PRETTY MUCH THE SAME LAYOUT AND FLOOR PLAN, BUT WITH COMPATIBLE SHINGLE TYPE OF AN APPLICATION TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS SO IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH A LITTLE TINY HISTORIC PRIMARY BUILDING THAT THEY'RE NOT CHANGING. 
          I GUESS I COULD TURN IT OVER TO UP DESIGN AARON, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN, YOU HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. 
          >> I HAVE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE SUBMITTED. 
          I'M I ABLE TO SHARE MY SCREEN? 
          >> YEAH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO. 
          >> LOOKING FOR IT, NOT SEEING IT. 
          > WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, IT MEETS THE TOWN SITE DESIGN OVERLAY STANDARDS. 
          IT IS OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT JUST OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THERE IS ENOUGH YARD AREA. 
          IT IS SUBSERVIENT TO THE PRIMARY BUILDING, SO I THINK THAT THE ADU DOES MEET THE DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          >> SARAH, I DO SEE YOUR COMMENT, BUT I'VE USED TEAMS BEFORE I'M NOT SURE. 
          >> I TRIED TO PROMOTE YOU TO A PRESENTER. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHARE BUTTON NEXT TO THE RED LEAVE BUTTON THAT'S JUST AN ARROW POINTING UP. 
          >> SHARE TREY GOT IT. 
          THAT HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. 
          >> WE SEE YOUR DESKTOP. 
          >> HERE WE GO. 
          >> EXCELLENT. 
          >> AS MARK MENTIONED, FIRST HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS AARON OR LAUGHLIN. HELLO, COMMISSION. 
          I AM A PROJECT ARCHITECT WITH UP DESIGN STUDIO AND WE ARE HERE AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR KEVIN AND RHONDA LANI, WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF PARCEL 318 NORTH MOGOLLON, LIKE MARK MENTIONED, IF THIS PROJECT LOOKS FAMILIAR IS BECAUSE JUST TO THE SOUTH AT 314, NORTH MOGOLLON, WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE LAST MEETING ON APRIL 19TH OF THIS YEAR FOR THE ADU THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ADJACENT TO THE ONE THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY, AND AS MARK SAID, THE EXTERIOR OF THIS ADU WILL REFLECT THE COLOR AND SIGHTING OF THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT ON THAT PARCEL. 
          THE FLOOR PLAN IS PRETTY BASIC; IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH, SMALL ADU THAT'S SUBSERVIENT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING WITH A SINGLE CAR GARAGE AND A STORAGE UNIT AS WELL. WE HAVE JUST, AGAIN, THE MATERIALS AND COLORS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT THAT ARE PRETTY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE ADU BELOW. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I SHOULD BE GOING THROUGH? 
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          >> MARK, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? 
          >> NO. AGAIN, THE REVIEW WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLOSE TO THE OTHER ONE. 
          BUT AGAIN, ROOF SLOPES SUBSERVIENT, SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE, YARD IN-BETWEEN, 1,000 SQUARE FOOT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, AND IT WAS POSTED ON TIME. 
          SO ALL THOSE THINGS LINED UP AND I HAVE ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION. 
          >> SORRY. ONE MORE THING. I ALSO DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A STRUCTURE THAT STRADDLES BOTH OF THE PARCELS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AGAIN THAT THIS BUILDING WHICH IS HALF ON THE PERSON IN QUESTION, WILL BE DEMOLISHED. 
          >> I DID PUT THAT IN AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED MOTION AS WELL, JUST SO WE TAKE CARE OF IT TWICE. 
          >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. 
          >> THANK YOU. I KNOW MARK, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE HEIGHT IS SUBSERVIENT, BUT WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE AND WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE ADU? 
          >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND. 
          >> I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THE [OVERLAPPING]. 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE THE DRAWINGS OF THE HOUSE ITSELF BUT I KNOW I DID CALCULATE WHAT IT WOULD BE. 
          >> IT WAS UNDER A FOOT AND A LITTLE MORE, I RECALL. 
          >> SORRY. 
          >> I BELIEVE IT WAS A FOOT LESS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          >> THE ADU? 
          >> YES. 
          >> IT LOOKS LIKE THE ADU IS 15'7'' PROPOSED. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE LOAD DOES SLOPE A LITTLE BIT TO THE SOUTH, SO IT'S SITTING LOWER THAN THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING, AND THE ADU IS ALSO ON A SLAB ON GRADE TO HELP LOWER IT CLOSER TO THE GROUND. 
          >> JUST ONE MORE THING TO ADD, THE SITE IS ACTUALLY UNUSUAL THAT THERE'S TWO ALLEYS. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY A DESIGNATED ALLEY GOING NORTH-SOUTH, AS WELL AS THAT ALLEY THAT GOES THAT DIRECTION SO THERE'S TWO ALLEYS. 
          THIS PARCEL ONLY HAS ACCESS TO THE REAR ALLEY, NOT THE SIDE ALLEY. 
          IT IS ACCESSIBLE FROM THAT SIDE AS WELL. 
          >> SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          SO ACCESS TO THAT GARAGE IS OFF THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY BEHIND? 
          >> CORRECT. 
          >> THE YARD IS 1,000 SQUARE FEET? 
          >> MORE THAN 1,000. 
          >> AWESOME. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ADU? 
          >> THE LIVABLE AREA OF THE PROPOSED ADUS IS 796 SQUARE FEET. 
          COME AGAIN, JUST UNDER THE ALLOWED 800. 
          >> WHICH IS A ZONING REQUIREMENT. 
          >> THAT'S BIG FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP ON THE FIRST PAGE JUST TO GIVE ME A SENSE OF ORIENTATION? CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THIS, IT'S HARD TO SEE. 
          THE GRAY IS THE 318 AND THEN BELOW THAT'S THE 314 THAT WE APPROVED YESTERDAY AND SO THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK IS THE ADU WE ALREADY APPROVED. 
          >> THIS IS THE ALREADY APPROVED ADU. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING OF 314, THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING OF 318, AND THEN THE ADU IN QUESTION. 
          >> THEN THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN THAT'S THE ALLEY RUNNING IN-BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS? 
          >> CORRECT. THEN THIS IS THE ALLEY TO THE SOUTH OF 314. 
          >> THEN THE ALLEY THAT'S THE OTHER ALLY. 
          WHERE IS THE 318 GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE GARAGE? 
          >> RIGHT THERE ON THE EAST. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. THAT ACTUALLY HELPS. 
          >> WHEN YOU GO THERE, THERE'S A FAIRLY LARGE APARTMENT BUILDING AND A PARKING LOT, 
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SO IT REALLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AN ALLEY, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A PARKING LOT OF THE ADJACENT. 
          >> THEN ONE OF THOSE GRAY BOXES AUGHT TO BE DEMOLISHED GARAGE. 
          >> THE OUTLINE IS[OVERLAPPING]. 
          >> THIS OUTLINE RIGHT HERE. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, OF COURSE, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. 
          >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          CURRENTLY, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING HOME, I'M LOOKING AT HOW THAT I THINK IT'S A GARAGE ON THE ADU WILL ACCESS B FROM THAT DRIVEWAY AND THE ALLEY OR JUST OFF THE ALLEY? 
          >> FOR THE ADU? 
          >> YEAH, THE GARAGE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE PROPOSED ADU? 
          >> YEAH, THE ACCESS TO THIS GARAGE WILL COME FROM THE ALLEY HERE. 
          >> NOT THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE? 
          >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DRIVEWAY GOES AWAY ALONG WITH THE GARAGE. 
          >> WELL, THEN WHERE WILL THE PEOPLE IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE PARK? 
          >> THE DRIVEWAY ISN'T GOING AWAY. 
          WE DO SHOW THE SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING PARKING SPOTS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          >> I APOLOGIZE. 
          >> ACCESS TO THIS SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING IS GOING TO STAY ON NORTH MOGOLLON AND THEN ACCESS TO THE ADU IS GOING TO BE FROM THE ALLEYWAY. 
          >> IS THAT TANDEM PARKING IN THE GARAGE? IT LOOKS REALLY LARGE. 
          >> IT'S NOT TANDEM PARKING. 
          THERE'S A SMALL STORAGE SPACE. 
          I CAN GO BACK TO THAT FLOOR PLAN. 
          THERE'S A STORAGE SPACE IN THE REAR OF THE GARAGE THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE USED BY THE TENANT WHO'S CURRENTLY RENTING THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAD SOME ITEMS IN THE GARAGE THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING THIS SPACE AS SOME STORAGE SPACE. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING FROM TEAMS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> I WILL MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE RETENTION OF THE PRIMARY EXISTING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COMPATIBLE ACCESSORY DWELLING ADU WITH THE DEMOLITION OF 
          [C. Approved HPC Facade Grants - extension request RECOMMENDED ACTION Extend Grants for: * Riordan Manson Masonry Restoration - 4/20/2022 approval * 66 Trade Pawn - 118 W Route 66 - 4/20/22 approval * Mark Smith - 309 S Verdi - 8/17/2022 approval]
A SHARED GARAGE AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 318 NORTH MOGOLLON STREET. 
          >> WAIT. CAN I ASK A REAL QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION? 
          >> YOU HAVE TO GET A SECOND FIRST. 
          >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS BERTRAM AND BUCKHAM. 
          THERE'S A REQUESTED ACTION AND A RECOMMENDED ACTION, WE'RE DOING THAT. NEVER MIND. 
          I WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM C, THE APPROVED HPC FACADE GRANTS EXTENSION REQUEST. 
          DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? 
          >> WHERE WERE WE LOOKING AT? 
          >> THE EXTENSION REQUESTS FOR THE FACADE GRANTS. 
          DID I SKIP? NO, I DIDN'T SKIP A THING. 
          >> NO. YOU ARE RIGHT. IT'S 6C, IT'S ON PAGE 3 OF THE AGENDA, THE GRANTS FOR RIORDAN MANSION,66 STREET PAWN, AND MARK SMITH'S. 
          >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] I FLIPPED THE WRONG WAY HERE. 
          JUST A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER THAT SUPPLY LINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME. 
          WE HAD MENTIONED PRIMARILY HOW THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR MONEY WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM OF 56 TRADE AND PAWN HAS A CANOPY FABRIC COVER THAT AGAIN WAS HELD UP BY SUPPLY CHAIN TYPE OF STUFF, AND THEN THE SMALL LITTLE HOUSE ON 309 SOUTH VERDE STILL HAS SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO BE DONE ON IT. 
          THOSE ARE GRANTS THAT ARE STILL PENDING THAT 
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I WANTED TO FORMALLY EXTEND THAT TIME FRAME ON THOSE. 
          >> ARE YOU ASKING FOR A MOTION? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THERE JUST WASN'T ANY RECOMMENDED ACTION ON THIS ONE. 
          WE'LL, FIRST, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. A QUESTION. 
          >> AS I ALWAYS DO. IS THE 66 PAWN, IS THAT IN THE OLD DANNY'S BUILDING? 
          >> NO, THAT'S THE TRADE. 
          THE ONE ON 66 WITH THE GARAGE. 
          >>> WHEN YOU CROSS HUMPHRIES AT ROUTE 66, THERE'S THE ROADWAY IN AND THEN THE ADJACENT BUILDING. 
          >> THAT'S THE ORIGINAL BUS STATION. 
          >> YES. 
          >> A TRACK BIKE DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT LAST YEAR WE APPROVED. 
          THE COMMISSIONER APPROVED A NEW AWNING THAT MET EITHER STANDARDS, ETC. 
          WE'RE STILL HAVING SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES SO WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CLOSE SOME OF THESE GRANTS. 
          YOUR GUIDELINES ALLOW FOR A ONE-YEAR EXTENSION AND THE MONEY THAT IS NECESSARY TO DO THAT WE ALREADY REQUESTED TO CARRY FORWARD IN THE BUDGET SO IT WILL APPEAR AND NOT BE LOST TO THE TURNOVER ON JULY 1ST. 
          BUT WE ALSO NEEDED A MOTION TO MAKE SURE THE EXTENSIONS WERE VALID. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY DONE IT LAST MONTH LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DATES, BUT WE JUST BROUGHT YOU ALL OF THEM AT ONCE. 
          >> WHICH IS THE SMITH PROPERTY? 
          >> IF YOU PRETTY MUCH LOOK ACROSS FROM THE MURDOCH CENTRE ON THE CURVE THERE, IT'S THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BUTLER. 
          IT'S A LITTLE TINY HOUSE. 
          YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT FROM BUTLER. 
          >> IT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THE MR. FLAGSTAFF APARTMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM BUTLER WITH A TOWER. 
          IT'S THE ONE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT ADDRESS. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? FOR THIS ITEM, WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDED ACTION. 
          CAN WE JUST LUMP ALL THESE TOGETHER AND SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WE MOVE TO STAMP. 
          >> COMMISSIONER DEA HAS A COMMENT. 
          >> SORRY. COMMISSIONER DEA, GO AHEAD. 
          >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO JUST READ THE RECOMMENDED MOTION FOR THIS ONE. 
          I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THEY ARE ALL THREE LUMPED TOGETHER IN THAT. 
          IS THAT OKAY FOR ME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? 
          >> YEAH. JUST TYPICALLY WE HAVE A REQUESTED ACTION AND A RECOMMENDED ACTION, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF MISSING ONE OF THEM CHANGED THINGS. 
          >> THERE WAS NO APPLICATION FOR THESE EXTENSIONS. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> SO THERE'S NO REQUEST. 
          IT'S SIMPLY THE STAFF IS BRINGING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN EXTENSION OF ALL OF THEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          >> YES, THAT DOES. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          >> I MADE A MISTAKE ON THE AGENDA. 
          [OVERLAPPING] I COPY PASTED, NO WONDER I WAS CONFUSED. 
          >> WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED? 
          >> I NOTICED THAT I STILL PUT 318 NORTH MOGI ON THAT ONE. 
          >> IS THAT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM? 
          >> NO. UP ABOVE THERE. 
          C IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND IT'S JUST EXTENDING THOSE THREE PROJECTS, THAT GRANT AMOUNT. 
          >> DO YOU NEED US TO LIST THE APPROVAL DATES IN OUR RECOMMENDED ACTION? 
          >> I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. 
          BUT ONE THING IS THAT 309 SOUTH VERDE, THE WORD VERDE IS MISSPELLED AND THE ADDRESS, SO WE'LL WANT TO FIX THAT IN THE MINUTES. 
          IT HAS TO BE SPELLED LIKE SPANISH GREEN NOT ITALIAN OPERA. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE HPC FACADE GRANTS. 
          DID WE DECIDE THAT WE HAVE TO VOICE THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR GROUP THEM? 
          >> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, THE MOTION REQUESTED THE RECOMMENDATION IS ACTUALLY TO EXTEND THEM. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. 
          >> OH YES. 
          I WAS READING THE OTHER PART. 
          >> ALSO ONE THING MISSING FROM THE MOTION IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THEM. 
          YOU CAN EXTEND THEM UP TO A YEAR. 
          >> DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SECOND TO THEN DISCUSS OR BECAUSE SHE [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> YES, CAN WE DISCUSS? 
          >> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM CAN WITHDRAW HER MOTION IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT IT. 
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          >> YES, I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. 
          YES. CAN WE CORRECT IT [LAUGHTER] HOW LONG WE WOULD LIKE THIS TIME FRAME TO BE? 
          >> I THINK A YEAR. GIVEN SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO GIVE THEM THE FULL EXTENSION, BUT I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER OTHER OPINIONS. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF THERE'S STILL A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE AFTER A YEAR, WOULD IT RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD EXTEND IT ONCE AGAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR IF THAT WERE THE CASE? 
          >> I THINK IT'S A NEW APPLICATION, IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE SO YOU CAN FILL IN ALL THAT INFORMATION OF WHY. 
          I THINK WE'LL GET THEM RESOLVED SOON IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          I THINK 66 IS GOING TO GET THE FABRIC HERE PRETTY SOON BEFORE THE EARNING. 
          >> WOULD IT BE ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THEIR APPROVAL OR FROM TODAY? 
          >> IT WOULD BE ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THEIR APPROVAL. 
          >> THE MOTION NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE NAMES OF THE GRANTS ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL AND THAT WE ARE EXTENDING THEIR GRANTS. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. 
          >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THEN DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE THIS MOTION AGAIN. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE GRANTS FOR RIORDAN MANSION MASONRY RESTORATION, 
          [A. Review of FY 2024 Updates Historic Signs and Facades Grant Guidelines and new HPC applications Review and provide final comments on the grant guidelines and applications.  Staff will post them to the website by May 24th and send notices and a press release to announce the change.]
66 TRADE PAWN, AND THE MARK SMITH PROPERTY ON SOUTH VERDE, PENDING A YEAR FROM THE DATES WHICH THEY WERE APPROVED. 
          >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. 
          OH, MY GOD. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? 
          >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          >> AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO AYE, ALICIA. 
          >> AYE. 
          >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. 
          WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM 7A, A REVIEW OF FISCAL YEAR 2024 UPDATES FOR THE HISTORIC SIGNS AND THE FACADES GRANT GUIDELINES AND NEW HPC APPLICATIONS. 
          >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE, WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED ALL OF THOSE. 
          DID WE SEND THE LATEST VERSION OUT TO YOU? I'M TRYING TO FIND IF WE DID THAT. 
          >> I BELIEVE THERE WERE DOCUMENTS IN THE AGENDA FROM THE PROPOSED GRANT GUIDELINES, THOSE WITH TRACK CHANGES, A PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATES, A PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR CULTURAL RESOURCES STUDIES, AND A PROPOSED APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC FACADES AND SIGNED GRANTS. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE. 
          >> I READ THEM ON MONDAY, THEY'RE ON THE HPC AGENDA WEBSITE. 
          >> WHERE DID YOU SEE IT? 
          >> ON THE WEBSITE. 
          >> YES. IF YOU GO TO THE AGENDA, AND THERE THEY'RE LISTED ON THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          >> SO MAYBE A PRESENTATION WILL HELP. 
          >> I THINK WITH TIMELINE RIGHT NOW AND A CHANCE FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW AND NEW MEMBERS [LAUGHTER] THAT WE MAY WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT AND REALLY READ THROUGH IT AND NEXT TIME. 
          AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE READ IT THROUGH MULTIPLE TIMES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THINGS ALL FIGURED OUT AND THAT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR DIFFERENT FORUMS. AND WE CAN DO A LITTLE TEST CASE TO SEE IF IT WORKS OUT. 
          >> MARK, I'M SORRY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO POST THEM NEXT WEEK IF WE WANT THEM TO APPLY FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO I DON'T THINK [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN RECOMMEND POSTPONING. 
          I'VE PULLED IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW. 
          >> IS THIS ALL OF THE ATOMS ARE JUST THE APPLICATION FORMS OR THE GUIDELINES. 
          THEY'RE ALL GOING UP ON. 
          >> THIS IS THE GUIDELINES. 
          >> MAY 24TH AND THEY ALL NEED TO BE APPROVED BY US TODAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT FISCAL YEAR? 
          >> THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES. 
          >> THIS IS JUST A WORK SESSION ITEM. 
          SO YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. 
          AND SO WE JUST STARTED LOOKING FOR YOUR LAST LOOK WITH YOUR EYES APPLICATIONS OR SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN CHANGE IT ANYTIME. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE WORK WITH YOU AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 
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APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE HAD EYES ON THEM BEFORE WE POST AN UPDATE. 
          WE ALSO SEND OUT NOTIFICATIONS TO ALL THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROFESSIONALS AND THOSE WHO COME AND DO REGULAR BUSINESS BEFORE YOU, LIKE AARON AND VANESSA AND OTHERS FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN HERE IN THE LAST FEW MEETINGS AND WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. 
          SO MAYBE MARK, YOU COULD GO OVER WHAT WE'RE CHANGING AND WHY? AND THEN, WE'LL TAKE ANY COMMENTS AND WE CAN ALSO PULL THEM UP AND LOOK AT ANY OF THEM IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          >> SO CLARIFICATION OF WORDING. 
          THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE IS THE TWO LEVELS. 
          SO IF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT ENDS UP FULLY COMPLIANT WITH US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THEY GO THERE EXTRA MILE. 
          WE HAVE TWO LEVELS OF FUNDING AND WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL $10,000. 
          SO A POSSIBLE $20,000 MATCH ON REALLY SOLID APPLICATIONS. 
          A LOT OF OUR FACADE APPLICATIONS ARE REVERSING INAPPROPRIATE ADDITIONS TO BUILDINGS AND MAKING THINGS LOOK BETTER. 
          WHICH WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS WHOLE FACADE GRANT WAS DONE TO HELP IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THERE'S TWO LEVELS THERE. 
          ONE MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE ON PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND ANOTHER ONE ON MAKING THE COMMUNITY LOOK BETTER. 
          >> CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE FOURTH PAGE SO WE CAN SEE THOSE TWO TIERS. 
          AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED JUST WITH OFFICIAL WORDING. 
          >> SO THAT CLARIFIES THAT WORDING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS IN THEIR PRACTICE HAS NOT BEEN TO FULLY FOLLOW THOSE, JUST GENERAL GUIDANCE IN PRESERVATION. 
          THIS CORRECTS THAT SITUATION. 
          WHEN IN THE COURSE OF ABOUT A YEAR AGO, EVERYBODY ACKNOWLEDGED HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION PRICES THAT INCREASED AND THAT THERE WAS A REAL NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL MONEY TO OUR GRANT PROGRAM. 
          AND I DID A LOT OF SALESMANSHIP AND PEOPLE WE'RE GOING ALL OVER TO HAVE TO APPLY FOR ALL THIS AND WHY BOTHER WHEN THE PROJECTS ARE SO EXPENSIVE ANYWAY. 
          SO THIS RECTIFIES THAT SITUATION WHERE WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL MONEY AND REALLY GO THE EXTRA MILE IN PRESERVING IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          >> YEAH, THANKS. I THINK THAT THOSE CAPTURE SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WANT TO KEEP A STANDARD OF 10,000 BUT OFFER MORE FUNDING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE WHILE STILL HOLDING THEM TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN OUR GENERAL TARGET FOR THESE GRANTS. 
          >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO, THAT IF WE CAN CHANGE THE GRANT GUIDELINES MID-YEAR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE TRIED ALWAYS TO ROLL THESE THINGS OUT AT ONCE PER YEAR. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HITTING ALL THE CONSULTANTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH MULTIPLE VERSIONS AND CHANGES. 
          SO REALLY THESE LEVEL 1 AND 2 REQUIREMENTS, WE RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE ADDITIONAL $10,000, OUR CURRENT FUNDING IS $150,000 AND WE REQUESTED AN EXTRA 10, SO WE'D HAVE 160 AVAILABLE SO THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE TO GIVE EIGHT $20,000 GRANTS OR MORE $10,000 GRANTS BASED ON WHAT PEOPLE BRING US FOR PROJECTS. 
          SO PROJECTS LIKE HEADLINES WHERE THEY WERE REPLACING HISTORIC WINDOWS WITH MORE MODERN WINDOWS STILL KEPT THE HISTORIC FEEL OF THE BUILDING COULD BE A 10,000, BUT SOMEBODY WHO'S COMPLETELY RESTORING THEIR HISTORIC WOODEN WINDOWS AND REBUILDING THEM COULD REQUEST 20,000. 
          THOSE WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCES. 
          I THINK MARK FEELS REALLY COMFORTABLE. 
          HE CAN MAKE IT 10,000 VERSUS $20,000 RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU GUYS THINK THESE ARE CLEAR ENOUGH OR WOULD YOU LIKE ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS WRITTEN? AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION IS WHEN WE ADDED, AFTER WORKING WITH HEADLINES, WHICH OF COURSE YOU GUYS DID THE CORRECTION ON,OF JUST MAKING SURE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID THEY FELT WAS VERY UNCLEAR WAS REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE REIMBURSEMENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THEY ASKED US IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND BE ABLE TO TAKE IT INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD MADE AN ERROR. 
          AND THERE HAD BEEN MISUNDERSTANDINGS BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH THEM AS AN APPLICANT AND THEY HELPED US UNDERSTAND WHAT WASN'T BEING COMMUNICATED CLEARLY. 
          THERE'S OTHER CHANGES TO THIS BESIDES JUST WHAT YOU 
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RECOMMENDED BASED ON US LEARNING FROM FINDING AN ERROR THAT HAD MISSED SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE 9-10 PEOPLE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE SOMEBODY FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT WE HAD MADE AN ERROR. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS CLEARER AND MORE COMPLETE, AND THAT IT'S EASIER FOR MARK THEN TO DRAW THE LINE BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN SAY, WHY I WANT THE $20,000 AND HE MAY END UP SAYING, WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A $20,000 PROJECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE RISK OF CREATING THE TWO LEVELS OF FUNDING ACTUALLY IS. 
          IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE MIGHT HAVE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEFORE. 
          SO IF WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S PLAYING OUT WELL, I WOULD NOT SAY THAT WE CAN'T PULL IT AGAIN, BUT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS UP SO THAT PEOPLE COMING FOR JUNE GRANTS, WHICH ARE USUALLY ACTUALLY THE FY 2024 FUNDING, COULD HAVE THIS IN HAND. 
          WE NEED TO GET IT OUT NEXT WEEK OR THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE JUNE DEADLINE. 
          >> SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON LEVEL 1, WHICH IS WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT FOUNDATIONS, DO THEY NEED TO DO COMPATIBLE FOUNDATION REPAIR OR JUST FOUNDATION REPAIR? LIKE IF IT WAS A STONE FOUNDATION, DO THEY NEED TO REPLACE WITH STONE? 
          >> ON A LEVEL 1? YOU'D TAKE AN INAPPROPRIATE REPAIR. 
          LET'S SAY THE HOUSE FELL OFF THE FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS ONE CASE [LAUGHTER] YOU HE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO YOU WOULD JUST JUDGE IT UPON WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT REPAIR. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE VISUAL WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON. 
          SO MAYBE YOU DO FACE THE FRONT OF THE STONE, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE ON A LEVEL 1. 
          BUT ON A TWO SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, WE'VE GOT THE 10 REHABILITATION STANDARDS. 
          IF THEY WERE GETTING THE LARGER AMOUNT, AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE REQUIRED TO LIST HOW THEY MET THOSE 10 REHABILITATION STANDARDS. 
          AND THEY'D ALSO NEED TO QUOTE THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. 
          SO I DID A LOT OF FEDERAL TAX CREDIT STUFF AS A PRESERVATION OFFICER AND IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, AND I THINK I'M VERSED IN THAT, SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IF YOU ARE. 
          >> I GUESS WHAT I'M RESPONDING BECAUSE 10,000 ISN'T VERY MUCH, DON'T WANT TO GO THE CHEAPER AND IT WON'T LOOK VERY GOOD. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING IF THAT COULD BE MORE CLEAR, THAT THE EFFORT IS TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE CHARACTER OR SOMETHING. 
          >> YEAH. I THINK ALL OF OUR GUIDELINES, WHETHER IT BE TOWN SITE OR DOWNTOWN, ARE ALL VISUAL. 
          I THINK AS PART OF YOUR JOB IS TO, WELL, YOU CAN CERTAINLY POINT THAT OUT IF THE VISUAL DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU. 
          >> WE CAN ALWAYS REJECT GRANTS IF WE FEEL THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT. 
          >> I WAS THINKING THAT THIS WOULD EDUCATE PEOPLE AS TO WHAT TO AIM FOR, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO TURN THEM DOWN AFTER THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TRYING TO PLAY IN IT. 
          THAT'S ALL I WAS THINKING. IF IT COULD BE MADE MORE CLEAR WHAT THE OVERALL GOAL WOULD BE. 
          >> PART OF THE PROCESS TOO IS TALKING TO MARK ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          THIS ISN'T JUST, THEY APPLY AND THEN IT ENDS UP BEFORE US. 
          IT GOES TO THEM AND THEN THEY TALK TO THEM ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AS THE APPLICANT. 
          AM I CORRECT IN THAT? 
          >> HOPEFULLY, MY STAFF REPORTS ARE CLEAR. 
          >> YES. 
          >> NO. ORGANIZED WITH THE CORRECT MOTION. 
          >> PART OF THAT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING]. 
          >> IN THE ANALYSIS. 
          >> HOPEFULLY, STOPPING THEM EARLY ON BEFORE IT EVEN REACHES US. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER TURNED DOWN A GRAND. 
          >> I THINK THAT MARK MAY LEAVE AT SOME POINT IN HIS LIFE AND [LAUGHTER] WE DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE THERE. 
          IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION REALLY CLEAR IN CASE SOMEONE HAS TO FILL IN OR SOMETHING, WHO ISN'T AN ARCHITECT. 
          >> I GET ROBOCALLS EVERY DAY TELLING ME THAT I HAVE VARIABLE POSSIBILITIES. 
          [LAUGHTER] I'M LEAVING ANYTIME SOON. 
          >> HE REALLY DOES. 
          >> UNLESS THAT HAPPENS. 
          >> YOU COULD GET HIT BY A BUS OR A TRUCK. 
          >> COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I ASKED FOR STAFF DIRECTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE LEVEL TWO REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE MORE CLEAR AND EXPLICIT? IF IT DOESN'T JUST SAY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION, IS THERE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE YOU'D WANT TO SEE ADDED TO THAT SECTION? 
          >> MAYBE JUST AN INTRODUCTION TO GRANT FUNDING LEVEL REQUIREMENTS OR GRANT FUNDING. 
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I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ABOVE IT. 
          >> OH, SURE. 
          >> BUT JUST [OVERLAPPING] SOME INTRODUCTION THAT EXPLAINS THE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS SO THAT THEY WOULD START THINKING IN TERMS OF QUALITY AND CHARACTER. 
          >> THE WORDING BEFORE, DOES TALK ABOUT, NOT EVEN BEFORE THIS ERROR, JUST THE GENERAL WORDING. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS ALL REQUIRED IN THE GRANT APPLICATION? THE APPLICATION, BUT DO THEY ALSO PROVIDE ANY DRAFT DESIGN? 
          >> THEY PROVIDE DESIGN, I GUESS A GOOD EXAMPLE IS, IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING, THE ADU, BUT CONTEXT OF WHAT WAS THERE EXAMPLES OF POTENTIAL OF WHAT THE BUILDING DID LOOK LIKE, HISTORIC PHOTOS, THE DESIGNS, WHAT THE ACTUAL PRODUCTS ARE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC. 
          AGAIN, THE BEST SUBMISSION WOULD BE BY AN ARCHITECT, BUT CERTAINLY, ANY KIND OF A DESIGNER HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT'S THERE, IT'S CLEAR, IT'S DOCUMENTED, AND YOU COULD QUESTION ANY OF THOSE THINGS OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          >> I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION OF COMMISSIONER HAYES. 
          UNLIKE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HIRE A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO REQUEST A GRANT. 
          SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST USING CONTRACTORS, AND THEY'VE DESIGNED THE PROJECT, OR THEY'RE USING THEIR OWN SKILL SET AS MANY HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS DO BECAUSE THEY'RE LEARNING A SKILL AS THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR HOUSE. 
          SOMETIMES THAT COULD BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LEVEL 1 AND 2. 
          ARE YOU PAYING A PROFESSIONAL TO DESIGN AND DO YOUR WORK OR ARE YOU DOING A DIY PROJECT WITH THIS OLD HOUSE AND YOUR OWN SKILL SET? WHICH COULD BE CONSIDERABLE. 
          SOME PEOPLE ARE CARPENTERS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SKILLS, BUT YES, THERE'S NO REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION OF THAT UNLESS YOU'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY WHICH THE ZONING CODE DOES REQUIRE, IS PREPARED BY A QUALIFIED HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROFESSIONAL, BUT GRANTS DON'T HAVE THAT AND THEY'RE VERY MUCH UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION. 
          IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SAY NO FOR ANY REASON, YOU DON'T NEED A REASON TO SAY NO. 
          YOU CAN JUST SAY WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU THIS GRAND. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR AGGREGATION. 
          >> I'M CAREFUL NOT TO DESIGN IT FOR HIM, BUT I DO GIVE ADVICE AND POINT THEM IN A DIRECTION. 
          I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IF NOT, WE WOULDN'T GET SOME DECENT PROJECTS. 
          THEY'D GO AWAY FROM BEING TOO COMPLEX FOR PEOPLE. 
          >> I PUT UP THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE REVISED GRANT APPLICATION ON THE SCREEN. 
          WHAT I HAD BEFORE, WAS OUR GRANT GUIDELINES. 
          IN OUR APPLICATION, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS, YOU SHOULD SUBMIT IF YOU'RE REQUESTING A GRANT. 
          >> THIS IS ONE OF THE NEW APPLICATIONS WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE APPLICATION FOR EVERYTHING, YOU NOW HAVE SEPARATE APPLICATIONS FOR EACH OF THE THREE MAIN PEEP THINGS PEOPLE COME TO? CORRECT. THIS WILL GUIDE THEM THROUGH BETTER THAN WHAT THE CURRENT IS THE IDEA. 
          >> CORRECT. IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR MARK OR WHOEVER FUTURE MARK MIGHT BE, TO DETERMINE IF AN APPLICATION IS COMPLETE. 
          ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH THE MASTER APPLICATION IS SURE, IT WAS EASY, PEOPLE ONLY FILLED IT OUT ONCE. 
          BUT YOU COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS COMPLETE OR NOT BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT WAS A COMBINED APPLICATION, SOMETIMES IT WAS SINGLE, SOMETIMES THINGS CAME MONTHS APART. 
          WE WANT TO TRACK EACH OF THESE SEPARATELY. 
          ALSO, TRACKING THEM IN THE SYSTEM, IT WOULD SHOW ONE APPLICATION, BUT IT WAS MAYBE A CERTIFICATE AND A GRANT OR A RESOURCE STUDY AND A GRANT. 
          THAT MAKES ALL OF IT A LITTLE EASIER TO TRACK AND UNDERSTAND. 
          >> AM I RIGHT IN ASSUMING THAT, WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION, THE INFORMATION, THE MORE THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC PROPERTY THAN THE LIKELY AWARDED? 
          >> YES, DEFINITELY. 
          >> I THINK ALSO, BEING ABLE TO SUPPLY GRANTS TO PEOPLE CAN GET THEM ON THE SIDE OF VALUING THE CHARACTER OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THE MORE GUIDANCE THEY RECEIVE AHEAD OF TIME OR DURING THE PROCESS, THE MORE ALLIES WE'LL HAVE IN OUR WORK. 
          >> IT'S DEFINITELY AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE. 
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ALSO THAT ABILITY TO, IF IT IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT TO GET, IF IT IS AN OWNER OCCUPIED THEIR PRIMARY HOME, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT TAX RELIEF FROM THE STATE FOR THAT. 
          THAT DOES NEED TO BE PROMOTED MORE AS WELL. 
          I TALK TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ABOUT THAT AND THEY ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT OFTEN. 
          >> CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LEVEL 2 LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? I THINK THAT WAS WHERE WE STARTED AND WE WERE WANDERING AROUND THIS CONVERSATION. 
          >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          DOES IT SAY IN THERE TO CONTACT THE HPO EARLY ON TO DISCUSS? THAT MIGHT BE WORTH IT. 
          >> IT DOES SAY IT IN THE APPLICATION. 
          LET'S SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SAYS IT IN THE GUIDELINES. 
          I'M SORRY LET ME MOVE TO THE MIC PROPERLY. 
          IT DOES SAY IT HERE IN THE APPLICATIONS IT SAYS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT EARLY IN YOUR DESIGN PROJECTS SO THAT THE HPO MAY ASSIST YOU WITH YOUR CLIENTS. 
          >> MAYBE JUST SOME IN THE INTRO TO THE FACADES GRANT TO SOME LANGUAGE THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICE IS HERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION PLEASE CONTACT US AT THE START OF YOUR PROJECT. 
          THAT SOUND GOOD? WE CAN HELP YOU DETERMINE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR LEVEL 1 OR LEVEL 2 FUNDING OR ANY FUNDING. 
          >> NO, THAT'S GOOD LANGUAGE. 
          >> CAN I MAKE TWO SMALL EDITING COMMENTS ON THE GRANTS? ONE IN THE LEVEL 1 FUNDING REQUIREMENTS. 
          ITEM C, IT SAYS DAMAGE CAUSED BY NATURAL OR HUMAN CAUSED. 
          IT SAYS CAUSED TWICE AND THAT'S BOTHERING ME. 
          [LAUGHTER] THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE FORMATTING IS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT FONTS AND DIFFERENT MARGINS. 
          IF IT COULD JUST BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, I THINK THAT MIGHT MAKE IT PRETTIER FOR MY EYEBALLS. 
          THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I TEACH A WRITING CLASS. 
          >> I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT, PROFESSOR. 
          >> A MINUS. NO. BUT I DO THINK THE LEVEL 1 AND LEVEL 2, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, REALLY CAPTURES THE STUFF THAT WE WERE GETTING AT AND WHAT WE WANT THIS GRANT TO BE ABLE TO DO. 
          OR DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEW APPLICATION FORMS? SAW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE OR SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO? SARAH IS SAYING, YES. 
          >> WHILE THEY TYPE, YES. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM OR JUST ME? THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE OLD FORMS BUT ARE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC TO THEIR PURPOSE NOW. 
          AS SARAH SHOWED US WITH THE GRANTS ONE HAS A STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS IN THEM AND EACH ONE HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT YOU'RE MEANT TO WRITE. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE LONGER WHICH I THINK HELPS. 
          >> WE DID SPECIFICALLY, ON THE GRANT 1, USING THE MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT HEADLINES. 
          ADD SOME CLARIFICATIONS TO THIS BUDGET SUMMARY SHEET AND NOW SAYS TOTAL CONSTRUCTION BUDGET INCLUDING THE MATCHING FUNDING, LIKE ARE YOU SPENDING $50,000 AND YOU WANT US TO MATCH 20, THEN YOU PUT 50,000 HERE? ALSO A CLEAR LINE THAT ASKS YOU TO TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM. 
          >> THAT WAS ME. 
          >> WHICH IT WASN'T CLEAR BEFORE, IT SAID TOTAL BUT IT WAS THE SAME COLOR AS ALL THE OTHER LINES, SO MANY PEOPLE LOOKING BACK AT OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS HAD MISSED THAT. 
          THEN WE REPEATED THE REIMBURSEMENT REQUIREMENTS RIGHT HERE ON THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES WERE CONFUSED WHEN WE SAID WE NEED YOUR W9 AND THEY'RE LIKE WHY? WE'RE LIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE YOU A VENDOR IN THE CITY SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO PAY YOU AND THAT'S PART OF OUR TAX ROLE IN AUDITING SO GETTING SOME OF THAT INFORMATION CLEAR, MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE HPO HAS TO DO AN ON-SITE INSPECTION OF THE WORK BEFORE YOU CAN BE GIVEN GRANT MONEY. 
          THOSE THINGS ARE [NOISE] NOW BETTER BLENDED INTO THE APPLICATION. 
          THEN ALL THE OTHER TWO APPLICATIONS LIKE FOR A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, THE BULK OF A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY IS THE DOCUMENT, SO IT HAS THESE MIDDLE REQUIREMENTS. 
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IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COLOR BOARDS OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE DOING A RESOURCE STUDY BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF A BUILDING OR MOVING IT OR DEMOLISHING IT OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, IT JUST SAYS TELL US THE NEED FOR YOUR RESOURCE STUDY AND ATTACH YOUR STUDY AND YOU DON'T HAVE OTHER PAGES THAT ASK FOR THINGS LIKE THE SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE YOUR RESOURCE STUDY IS REQUIRED TO INCLUDE SIGNIFICANCE. 
          SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, RESOURCE STUDIES ARE VERY LONG AND THEIR APPLICATION GOT SHORTER. 
          GRANTS NEED PROPER INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM. 
          THAT ONE GOT A LITTLE LONGER. 
          THIS IS THE ONE FOR CERTIFICATES WITHIN AN OVERLAY AND IT'S CLEAR ABOUT THE RIGHT INFORMATION. 
          IT'S NOW THE ONLY APPLICATION WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT SIGNS AND THE TOWN SITE OVERLAY REQUIREMENT WHERE BEFORE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN FILLING OUT A RESOURCE STUDY APPLICATION WHICH ARE NOT REQUIRED TO NOTICE BUT IT WOULD HAVE HAD A PARAGRAPH ABOUT NOTICING WITHIN TOWN SITE. 
          NOW, IF YOU'RE FILLING OUT THE RIGHT APPLICATION, THE NOTICE INFORMATION SHOULD BE RIGHT HERE AND CLEAR AND IT WON'T BE CONFUSING TO PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME, DO I HAVE TO NOTICE MY GRANT APPLICATION AND THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          BUT THE COMBINED APPLICATION MADE THAT UNCLEAR. 
          THAT'S SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'VE CHANGED. 
          I HAVE TWO LOGISTICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE USED. 
          ARE THESE GONNA BE FILLABLE PDFS THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST TYPE INTO? 
          >> YES. 
          >> MARK IS SAYING, YES. 
          THEN FOR THE GRANT ONE, IS THERE A WAY JUST TO MAKE THAT BUDGET AN EXCEL SHEET WHERE IT WILL JUST AUTOMATICALLY TOTAL EVERYTHING FOR YOU? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE HARD IF PEOPLE START PUTTING TEXT IN THE NUMBER BOXES BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MATH ERRORS IF IT JUST DID THE MATH FOR US. 
          >> I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN WE GET A NEW ADMIN FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          OUR CURRENT ADMIN IS RETIRING NEXT WEEK AFTER 26 YEARS, TAMMY BISHOP. 
          >> SO EXCITING. 
          >> IT IS VERY EXCITING FOR HER. 
          NOT SO EXCITING FOR US. WE WILL MISS HER. 
          BUT WHEN HER REPLACEMENT COMES ON BOARD, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HOPE WILL BE SOON, WE'D ASK THAT INDIVIDUAL TO HELP US MAKE THE FORMS FILLABLE AND GET THEM POSTED TO THE WEBSITE, ETC. 
          WE CAN POST THEM AND ALWAYS UPDATE THEM LATER SO THEY'RE MORE FILLABLE AND USABLE. 
          >> OKAY, THANKS. WE JUST GET SO MANY HANDWRITTEN ONES THAT THEY'RE HARD TO READ SOMETIMES AND SO IF THEY'RE JUST. 
          >> JUST FOR OUR NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS ON CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES, I CAN APPROVE LETTER REPORTS. 
          AGAIN, I WILL REPORT ON THOSE BUT IF YOU THINK THAT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, I WILL SHARE THOSE LETTER REPORTS WITH YOU BUT YOU CAN'T REVERSE WHEN I MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          BUT DEFINITELY POINTED OUT, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE LETTER REPORT DIDN'T COVER THE CULTURAL RESOURCES ADEQUATELY, SO IT'S A MUCH SIMPLER BUT IT'S STILL A PRETTY EXTENSIVE RESEARCH DOCUMENT. 
          THE PHASE 1, CERTAINLY A LOT MORE AND THEN VERY RARELY I'LL DO A PHASE 2. 
          BUT THE PHASE 1, WHICH I TRULY BELIEVE IN ALWAYS HAS A MITIGATION COMPONENT TO IT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THE MORE AND MORE MITIGATION THAT WE DO, THE MORE WE CAN SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY RIGHT NOW. 
          >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS WANT US TO LOOK AT IN PARTICULAR? 
          >> NO, IF YOU ARE HAPPY ENOUGH WITH THEM WITH SOME MINOR EDITS, THEN WE WILL GET THEM POSTED NEXT WEEK AND HOPEFULLY, IT MIGHT TAKE THEM A FEW TIMES TO GET EVERYBODY TO START USING NEW APPLICATIONS. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A HIT OR MISS, BUT WE'LL WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE BY THE FALL, WE'RE CONSISTENTLY SEEING THE CORRECT APPLICATION. 
          >> IF YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS, YOU CAN BRING THAT STUFF TO US AGAIN. 
          >> YES. 
          >> OAKY. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER? 
          >> ARE THE OLD APPLICATIONS BEING REMOVED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE? 
          >> YES, BUT SOME PEOPLE SAVE THEM TO THEIR DESKTOPS OR THEIR FILING SYSTEM AND SO WE HAVE TO DO SOME BACK AND FORTH, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE REPEAT APPLICANTS, BECAUSE, THEY'RE WORKING OFF OLDER VERSIONS AND THEY JUST UPDATE THEM, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          THAT HELPS THEM STAY PRODUCTIVE, BUT MAYBE THE ONLY OTHER THING TO MENTION IS THAT, 
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MY SCREEN WENT TO SLEEP. 
          DID THE STREAMING GO AWAY? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THE ONLY THING TO MENTION IS THAT WE WON'T BE CHANGING THE FEE SO WE SET OUR FEES WITH A FEE STUDY. 
          THAT HAPPENS WITH CERTAIN NOTICE REQUIREMENTS SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S THREE APPLICATIONS, WE'RE STILL ONLY COLLECTING ONE FEE FOR ALL THREE. 
          WE JUST DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND DO. 
          THERE'LL BE A TIME WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER FEE STUDY AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DONE ENOUGH OF THESE THOUGH WE CAN ASSESS IF THE GRANT FEE IS $25, AND A CERTIFICATE IS MORE BECAUSE THEY STUDY HOW MUCH TIME THE HPO AND OTHER STAFF SPEND IN THE REVIEW OF EACH APPLICATION AND THEN THEY SET A COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGE, SO NO CHANGE IN FEES, I THINK IS PART OF OUR MESSAGING THAT WE WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON. 
          IT'S JUST $65 AT THE COUNTER, AND YOU CAN PUT IN ALL THREE APPLICATIONS AS LONG AS THEY'RE ALL FOR THE SAME PROJECT. 
          >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ONES THAT WERE EXTENDED. 
          AS I REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T REAPPLY FOR THE SAME PROJECT, SO WOULD THAT BE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE OF AN EXTENSION? 
          >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE SINCE WE'VE MOVED ON FROM THAT ITEM? 
          >> I THINK IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRANT. 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          >> THAT A GOOD QUESTION. 
          >> IF SOMEONE GOT A GRANT AND THEN THEORETICALLY IT WERE EXTENDED, AND THEN THEY DID NOT GET THEIR SUPPLIES IN TIME AND HAD TO REAPPLY, WOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER FEE? 
          >> I WASN'T REFERRING TO THE FEE. 
          >> SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] THAT WAS MY QUESTION THOUGH. 
          >> I WAS WONDERING I THOUGHT WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS BEFORE IT SAID THAT YOU CAN'T REAPPLY FOR A SECOND GRANT FOR THE SAME PROJECT WITHIN FIVE YEARS OR SO? 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT SAYS YOU CAN'T REAPPLY FOR A GRANT AT THE SAME PROPERTY OR BUILDING WITHIN FIVE YEARS AND IT ALSO SAYS YOU CAN REFUSE TO GIVE GRANTS FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE HAD FAILED PROJECTS, SO IF A PROJECT FAILED AND YOU FELT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER NOT BEING ABLE TO PULL THE PROJECT OFF, THEN YOU COULD DENY THEM A FUTURE APPLICATION. 
          >> SO LET'S SAY IN THESE TIMES OF SUPPLY-CHAIN PROBLEMS, THOSE THREE, THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS AND ONE OF THEM COULDN'T STILL MEET THE EXTENSION. 
          I THOUGHT I HEARD MARK SAID THEY COULD REAPPLY. 
          >> IT ALSO SAYS EXCEPT UNDER DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED CIRCUMSTANCES, SO MARK WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE, PLEASE ACCEPT THIS. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THIS IS DOCUMENTED AND JUSTIFIED. 
          REGARDING THE FEES THEN, IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND THEY ASK FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN PAID THAT FEE AND THEN CAME BACK AND SAID, I ALSO WANT TO GRANT, WOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY A SECOND FEE? DO THEY HAVE TO ALL BE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THE BUY ONE GET THREE FREE OFFER. SARAH? 
          >> SORRY, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. 
          >> SO IF SOMEONE APPLIES FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEY PAY FOR THAT MARKS, HEY, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A GRANT FOR THIS. 
          DO THEY THEN HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER $65, IS IT ONLY IF THEY SUBMIT THEM ALL AT ONCE THAT IT'S ONE FEE? 
          >> NO, IT'S ONE FEE AS LONG AS IT'S FOR THE SAME PROJECT. 
          LET'S SAY SOMEBODY CAME IN AND THEY DID A PORTRAIT LIKE BUILDING OR REPLACEMENT OR SOMETHING, AND THEY DIDN'T GET A GRANT FOR THAT, THAT WORK WAS COMPLETE AND THEY CAME IN, THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND THEY SAID, ''CAN I GET THAT GRANT FOR WHAT I FINISHED?'' THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT. 
          BUT THEIR NEW WORK, LIKE SAY IT WAS WINDOWS OR DOOR REPAIRS, THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE. 
          IF YOUR PROJECTS IT DOES SAY EXPLICITLY WE DON'T ACCEPT GRANTS FOR WORK THAT'S ALREADY COMPLETED, WE'VE MADE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT THOUGH RARELY, AND WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THE EXTENSION IS WE COULD JUST INSTEAD OF SAY GRANT APPROVAL EXPIRE ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF APPROVAL, WE COULD JUST SAY UNLESS PROVIDED AN EXEMPTION BY THE COMMISSION AND THEN YOU GUYS COULD DECIDE HOW LONG AN EXTENSION YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SO THAT IN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE PANDEMICS OR LABOR SHORTAGES OR SUPPLY CHAIN SHORTAGES, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS REASONABLE BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND CONTEXT. 
          WE COULD MAKE THAT MORE OPEN-ENDED IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. 
          >> WHEN YOU FIRST SAID THAT SARAH, YOU SAID THAT IT CAN BE EXTENDED, BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME TO PUT ADD ONTO THERE UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES OR DOCUMENTATION INSTEAD OF SAYING, 
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''OH, LEAVING IN AN OPEN FOR PROCRASTINATORS DO NOT GET THINGS DONE.'' 
          >> HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT WORDED? IT'D BE GRANT APPROVAL EXPIRE ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF APPROVAL UNLESS PROVIDED AN EXTENSION BY THE COMMISSION. 
          EXTENSIONS REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION. 
          >> WE COULD USE JUSTIFIED AND DOCUMENTED AGAIN JUST TO KEEP CONSISTENT LANGUAGE. 
          >> BUT I AGREE. DEADLINES HELP PEOPLE PLAN AND SAYING YOU HAVE A YEAR, CAN BE MOTIVATION AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FISCAL YEAR BUDGETING STUFF AND YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO KEEP ROLLING MONEY OVER. 
          >> WE DON'T MIND ROLLING. WE REGULARLY ROLE MONEY OVER FOR A YEAR. 
          IT'S WHEN IT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON WE COULDN'T IF THE W-9 WAS IN AND THE PIECE WAS OPEN, 
          [B. Greater Observatory Mesa Trail Plan (GOMTP) The Heritage Preservation Commission should review, discuss and provide comments to Open Spaces staff on the draft trails plan.]
BUT CARRYFORWARDS ARE NOT ALWAYS GUARANTEED AND SO WE COULD ALSO ADD SOMETHING IF FOR ANY REASON THE MONEY FOR THE GRANT WAS NOT CARRIED FORWARD IN THE CITY BUDGET? THE GRANT COULD BE EXPIRED IF THAT'S HOW YOU'D LIKE TO ADD IT. 
          I HEARD COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, THEY MAKE SENSE, BUT SHE NEVER MAKE ON FOR THOSE ONLINE. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ANYTHING FROM TEAMS? SARAH. 
          >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. 
          >> THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM 7B, THE GREATER OBSERVATORY MESA, TROPNIN. 
          >> I WILL JUST INTRODUCE IT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT I DO KNOW ABOUT OBSERVATORY MESA. 
          CERTAINLY THE PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE LITTLE OBSERVATORY ITSELF, WHICH IS A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT, WHICH IS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT. 
          THE ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TOWN SITE AND THEN THE LARGER OBSERVATORY MESA, WHERE MOST OF THE MEAT AND POTATOES ARE WITH THIS TRAIL PLAN, THERE WAS A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY DONE AND THEY FOUND SMALL EVIDENCE OF HABITATION. 
          THERE STILL COULD BE SOME ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT OF COURSE, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING IS CLOSING AWESOME TRAILS AND KEEPING PEOPLE ON THE TRAILS, WHICH OF COURSE PROTECTS ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. 
          SO THAT'S MY INTRODUCTION. 
          I WILL PASS IT ON TO THE OTHER MARK IF HE CAN SHARE HIS PRESENTATION. 
          >> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS MARK LOWSETH WITH SOUTHWEST DECISION RESOURCES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? 
          >> YES. 
          >> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PRESENT THE GREATER OBSERVATORY MESA TRAIL PLAN. 
          I AM GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN. 
          WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. WE'LL DO THIS PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AT THE END. 
          I ALSO HAVE ROBERT WALLACE ON THE CALL AS WELL. 
          OPEN SPACE PROGRAM MANAGER WHO'S BEEN ASSISTING WITH THIS TRAIL PLAN SINCE THE BEGINNING. 
          THE OVERVIEW OF THIS PLAN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO READ OUR LENGTHY PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          THIS IS A CROSS JURISDICTIONAL TRAIL PLANNING PROJECT. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT THE GEOGRAPHICAL OBSERVATORY MESA, AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE FOR EXPANDING A FORMAL TRAIL SYSTEM ON THE MESA. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OPEN SPACE PROGRAM, COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST, AND LOWELL OBSERVATORY THROUGHOUT THAT AREA TO LOOK AT TRAILS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR REGION. 
          AT THE MOST BASIC LEVEL, WHAT THIS PLAN IS PROPOSING IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN DESIRABLE USER EXPERIENCES, CREATING POSITIVE EXPERIENCES FOR NON-MOTORIZED USERS, HIKERS, EQUESTRIANS, AND CYCLISTS ON THE MESA, AND BALANCING THAT WITH RESOURCE PROTECTION. 
          THINK ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES, WILDLIFE HABITAT, SPECIES DIVERSITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TRAILS THAT WOULD IMPACT BIOTIC ZONES THAT ARE IMPORTANT OR UNIQUE TO THE AREA AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES, 
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BOTH CULTURAL AND NATURAL. 
          THE FOUNDATION OF THIS PLAN REALLY CAME OUT OF THE 2018-2019 FLAGSTAFF TRAILS INITIATIVE PROCESS. 
          IF ANYONE IS NOT FAMILIAR, THIS WAS A COLLABORATIVE PLANNING PROCESS THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERTOOK, WAS APART FROM A GRANT FOR A FACILITATOR TO MAKE THIS REALLY HOLISTIC ALL THROUGHOUT THE FLAGSTAFF REGION RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          THERE WAS A CORE TEAM OF LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES, THERE WAS A VARIETY OF WORKING GROUPS, AND THERE WAS ALSO A FEW PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET A GUT CHECK, FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING WELL, MAKING SURE THE WORKING GROUPS ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND ACCEPTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN REFLECTS THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL THE FLAGSTAFF AREA. 
          OUT OF THAT PLAN, THAT PLAN BROKE UP HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW PRIORITY AREAS AND IDEAS WITHIN THOSE AREAS TO PURSUE FOR IMPLEMENTATION. 
          IN THAT DOCUMENT, THERE ARE FOUR HIGH-PRIORITY IDEAS ON OBSERVATORY MESA AND ONE MEDIUM PRIORITY AREA OF OBSERVATORY MESA. 
          THIS PLAN THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN RECENTLY, REFLECTS THE FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES AND THE FOUNDATIONAL DESIRES THAT WERE PUT FORTH BY THE FLAGSTAFF TRAILS INITIATIVE. 
          THOSE INCLUDE STACK LOOP SYSTEM ON THE MESA, TRAIL CONNECTIONS, SO CONNECTING OBSERVATORY MESA WITH THE FORT VALLEY TRAIL SYSTEM ON FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY, ADOPTING USER-CREATED TRAILS ON LOWELL PROPERTIES, AND REVIEWING WHICH ONES WERE APPROPRIATE AND INAPPROPRIATE FOR FORMAL SYSTEM OF INCLUSION, AND EVALUATING THOSE USER-CREATED TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE MESA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MET THE NEEDS OF SUSTAINABILITY AND USER EXPERIENCE, AND IF NOT, PROPOSING THEM FOR OBLITERATION AND RESTORATION. 
          THE ONE MEDIUM PRIORITY PLAN, OR MEDIUM PRIORITY THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE PLAN IS IDENTIFYING A COMMUTER ROUT FROM THE FOOT TRAILS ON THE MESA, THE MARS HILL AND TUNNEL SPRINGS FOOT TRAILS THAT MEET AT THE CORNER OF LOWELL PROPERTIES. 
          CONNECTING THAT TO BATESVILLE IN A FASHION THAT PROMOTES COMMUTING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE TAKING THE HIGHWAY 180 DOWN INTO TOWN. 
          ALL OF THOSE BULLETS, THE PRIORITIES ARE REFLECTED IN THE PLAN AND WERE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS TO THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE IN THE PLAN ITSELF. 
          WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS 2020-2021. 
          WE STARTED WORKING THROUGH THOSE PRIORITIES THAT FTI HAD DEVELOPED, THAT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LAND OWNERS AND LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS TO DEVELOP A DRAFT OF WHAT WE WANTED TO PROPOSE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          LAST SUMMER, WE HAD OUR FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THE PLAN, WHERE WE HAD TWO WAYS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE PLAN. 
          WE HAD AN ONLINE VERSION USING THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY FORUM PLATFORM AND WE ALSO ACCEPTED COMMENTS DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          OUT OF THOSE TWO STEPS, WE RECEIVED 323 COMMENTS. 
          EACH COMMENT WAS REVIEWED TO REALLY GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR IN A NEW TRAIL SYSTEM, FORMAL TRAIL SYSTEM ON OBSERVATORY MESA. 
          SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE REJECTED BASED ON CRITERIA, PROPERTY CONCERNS, RESOURCE CONSERVATION VALUES, POSITIVE USER EXPERIENCES, AND SOME OF THEM WERE ADAPTED INTO THE PLAN. 
          NOW, NOT ALL OF THE COMMENTS WERE CLEAR TO US WHEN WE REVIEWED THE COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS WHY WE UNDERTOOK WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR STAKEHOLDER INTERESTED PARTNER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          WE REACHED OUT TO 35 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, COMMISSIONS, AND AFFILIATIONS THAT MAY HAVE AN INTEREST IN PROVIDING COMMENTS AS A BODY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS NOT SO GOOD IN THE PLAN. 
          THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW AND THAT IS WHERE THIS PRESENTATION IS COMING FROM AND WHY WE ASKED TO PRESENT TODAY TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS PRIOR TO RELEASING THIS PLAN FOR OUR SECOND ROUND OF COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH WILL BE HAPPENING STARTING IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. 
          GENERALLY, WHAT IS IN THE PLAN? WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE, ABOUT 23 MILES OF NEW SINGLE TRACK TRAIL. 
          THOSE ARE THOSE DASHED PURPLE LINES THAT YOU SEE. 
          STAT TO LOOP SYSTEM WITHIN THE MESA ITSELF 
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AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT CONNECTOR TRAIL HEADING NORTH OUT OF THE MESA, WRAPPING AROUND PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CONNECTING TO THE FORT VALLEY TRAIL HEAD ON FOREST SERVICE PROPERTIES. 
          WE IDENTIFIED FIVE MILES OF TRAILS DEEMED UNSUSTAINABLE AND NOT AN IMPROVEMENT IN USER EXPERIENCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR RESTORATION. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO RESTORE A VARIETY OF ROAD BEDS. 
          MOST OF THEM ARE ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THE MESA ON FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY. 
          BUT THIS IS LENDS ITSELF TO THE DESIRE OF REALLY CREATING AN EXPERIENCE UP ON OBSERVATORY MESA THAT'S MORE QUIET, PROVIDE SELF-REFLECTION AND THAT ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT NATURAL EXPERIENCE THAT IS CLOSE TO FLAGSTAFF PROPER. 
          WE IDENTIFIED TWO NEW ACCESS POINTS, BOTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MESA, TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS TO THE MESA IN THE PROPOSED TRAILS. 
          THESE ACCESS POINTS DO NOT PROVIDE PARKING, SO THEY REALLY ARE JUST TRAIL CONNECTIONS OFF OF ROADS THAT IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE AREA. 
          WE DID IDENTIFY TWO AREAS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR NEW PARKING AREAS. 
          ONE OF THEM IS ON THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THE MESA, OFF OF A1 MOUNTAIN ROAD, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING A SMALL BLIGHTED AREA WITHIN THE OBSERVATORY MESA NATURAL AREA PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          NOT INTENDING THAT TO BE A LARGE TAIL END AT ALL. 
          BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NICE PLACE FOR FOLKS THAT ARE SEEKING SOLITUDE, WILDLIFE VIEWING, AND REALLY GOOD VIEWS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, A1 MOUNTAIN IN THE PEAKS. 
          ON THE SOUTH SIDE, JUST WEST OF THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS YARD ON WEST 66 AS YOU'RE HEADED OUT OF TOWN GOING TOWARD THE INNER STATE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT WE BELIEVE CAN MAKE A REALLY GOOD PLACE FOR A NEW FORMAL TRAIL HEAD. 
          RIGHT NOW, PARKING OPTIONS ARE PRETTY LIMITED. 
          TO ACCESS OBSERVATORY MESA THEY EXIST AT THORPE PARK IN THE JOE C MONTOYA CENTER ON THE EAST SIDE NEAR THORPE PARK. 
          THEY ARE NOT DESIGNATED TRAIL HEAD ACCESS. 
          THERE ARE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE OPEN FOR TRAIL USE. 
          BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPOSING A TRAIL HEAD TO REALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, VISITORS TO THE AREA AND JUST IMPROVING FOLKS' ABILITY TO ACCESS THE MESA ITSELF. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TWO EDUCATIONAL ZONES. 
          WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE IDEA OF PROVIDING INTERPRETIVE KIOSKS. 
          THROUGHOUT THE TRAIL, THERE ARE THOSE KIND OF BROWN BLOBS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE MESA AND ALSO ON THE EAST PART OF THE MESA. 
          REALLY LOOKING AT EXPANDING EXPERIENTIAL EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR SCHOOL GROUPS, FAMILY UNITS, TAKING A HIKE AFTER CHURCH. 
          ALL MANNERS OF FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING TO LEARN ABOUT REALLY UNDEFINED RIGHT NOW. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT CULTURAL HISTORY, NATURAL HISTORY, VEGETATION DIVERSITY, WILDLIFE, THE OBSERVATORY AND ITS HISTORY ITSELF. 
          ALL OF THOSE THINGS AROUND THE TABLE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY THESE AREAS AS VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT FLAGSTAFF AND OBSERVATORY MESA ITSELF. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE REALLY CONSISTENT, EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE SIGNAGE. 
          TRAIL JUNCTION SIGNAGE THAT SHOWS HOW FAR TO THE NEXT TRAIL, HOW FAR BACK TO PARKING AREAS AND ACCESS POINTS, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS STEWARDSHIP MESSAGING, GOOD TRAIL ETHICS TO LIMIT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPEN ON THE TAILS BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS, AND REALLY SETTING THE TONE AT THESE ACCESS POINTS AND PARKING AREAS. 
          SO WHAT'S CHANGED FROM BETWEEN THE FIRST DRAFT AND THE SECOND DRAFT? WE SENT OVER A SPREADSHEET THAT OUTLINES SOME REALLY SPECIFIC ASKS AND SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE OUR ZOOMED IN BULLETS. 
          AND SO THESE ARE REALLY DOWN IN THE WEEDS, REALLY SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING WHEN WE REVIEWED ALL OF THE COMMENTS BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAD. 
          AND SO THIS MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. 
          IF YOU HAVE THE PLAN AND THE THE SPREADSHEET REFERENCES, THE PAGE NUMBER AND THE MAPS THAT HIGHLIGHT THE QUESTION MARKS THAT WE HAVE. 
          ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE ARE ZOOMED OUT APPROACH AND SO WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS SURROUNDING SOME OF THESE BULLET ELEMENTS. 
          ADAPTIVE BIKE TRAILS, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME NETWORK OF CHANNELS, NOT ALL OF THE TRAILS, TO BACKUP ONE MOMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SINGLE TRACK TAILS. 
          TYPICAL SINGLE-CHANNEL SHELLS ARE ABOUT 24 INCHES WIDE, INTENDED TO PROVIDE THAT NATURAL EXPERIENCE AND KEEP YOU CONNECTED AND GROUNDED TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AROUND YOU. 
          ADAPTIVE BIKE TRAILS. 
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WE ARE PROPOSING A PORTION OF THE SYSTEM, IT'S ABOUT 12 MILES, SO IT REALLY IS ABOUT HALF OF THE PROPOSED TRAIL SYSTEM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THAT WIDTH BY 12 INCHES SO 36 INCH WIDE TRAILS TO ACCOMMODATE ADAPTIVE HAND CYCLES THAT ARE OFTEN ABOUT 32 INCHES IN WIDTH. 
          THIS IS FOR FOLKS WITH MOBILITY IMPAIRMENTS WHO ARE ABLE TO RIDE THESE HANDS CYCLES AND ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO GET OUT INTO THE WOODS AND ON THESE CHANNELS THAT ARE REALLY DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, WHICH CURRENTLY THEY ONLY HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO DO IN FLAGSTAFF. 
          THEY HAVE THE SOLDIERS LOOP AT FORT HILL AND THEY HAVE CAMPBELL MESA OUT ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT NOW SO EXPANDING THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ADAPTIVE WRITERS. 
          WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM MOUNTAIN BIKERS. 
          WE REALLY LOOKING AT PROVIDING A COUPLE MORE TRAILS, THEY REALLY DIDN'T PROPOSE ANY MORE THAN TWO. 
          ONE IS AN ADOPTION OF AN EXISTING TRAIL THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN AN UNAUTHORIZED MANNER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT FOLKS REALLY LIKE AND PROVIDES AN EXPERIENCE FOR HIGHLY SKILLED MOUNTAIN BIKE RIDERS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ADOPTED. 
          THEN WE ALSO RECEIVED A VARIETY OF COMMENTS ABOUT E-BIKE INCLUSION. 
          THIS IS A STICKY TOPIC ALWAYS A LOT OF OPINIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT E-BIKES AND SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT E-BIKES AND SUPPORTING THEM IN THE TRAIL SYSTEM USING THIS CLASS ONE AND TWO, RECOMMENDATIONS TO REALLY DEFINE THE REGULATIONS AND DEFINE SOME OF THE ETHICS AND STEWARDSHIP CONSIDERED. 
          WE'RE NOT THERE YET, WE HAVE NOT DRAFTED THE NEXT ROUND OF THE PLAN FOR PUBLIC INCLUSION AND SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME OF OUR INTERESTED PARTNERS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE BEST FOR THE TRAILS. 
          CLASS 1 AND 2 E-BIKES ARE JUST REALLY QUICKLY, THEY HAVE BATTERIES, SO THEY'RE BATTERY POWERED. 
          BOTH OUR PEDAL ASSISTED IN BOTH ARE CAPPED AT 20 MILES PER HOUR FOR A SPEED LIMITS SO THEY REALLY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO GO FASTER THAN 20 MILES PER HOUR. 
          CLASS 1 IS PEDDLE ASSIST ONLY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE TURNING THE CRANK AND YOU HAVE TO BE PEDALING TO ENGAGE SOME E ASSISTANCE IN THE BIKE. 
          CLASS 2 ALLOWS FOUR PEDAL ASSISTANCE, BUT MOST OF THEM ALSO HAVE A THROTTLE, AGAIN CAPPED AT 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE YOU TO PEDAL TO GET THE ASSIST FROM THE BATTERY ITSELF. 
          THEN WE HAVE A NEW CHANGE TO THE PLAN MUCH OF IT IS FORMATTING IN THE PLAN, BUT IT ALSO REFLECTS SOME OF THE REALITIES OF THE TIMING OF LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FOR THIS PLAN. 
          WE'RE NOW CALLING THEM LONG-TERM PLANNING STRATEGIES IN THE PLANET ITSELF. 
          BASICALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP THAT IS IN COLOR AND SO THE REALITY OF SOME OF THE PLANNING ELEMENTS IS THAT WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE READY TO SEEK APPROVAL AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A FEW THINGS. 
          THE BULK OF WHAT HAS CHANGED AND WHAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE LONG TERM PLANNING PORTION OF THE PLAN ITSELF, THE PLAN DRAFT IS ON LOWELL OBSERVATORY. 
          THERE ARE STILL SOME QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS SURROUNDING THEIR CONGRESSIONAL DESIGNATION FROM 1918 AND THE LOWELL OBSERVATORY STAFF ARE PURSUING SOME PLANNING STRATEGIES THAT ARE REALLY EXCITING AND REALLY GETTING TO FLESH OUT THE VISITOR SERVICES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED UP THERE IN A LONG-TERM WAY. 
          THEY DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND SO WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPORTING A PLAN OR ASKING THEM TO SIGN ONTO A PLAN IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO NECESSARILY CHANGE IN AND AROUND THE FACILITIES THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE AND SO WE SPOKE WITH LOWELL OBSERVATORY AND THEY WERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT QUITE READY FOR THIS YET AND SO WE REALLY MOVE THAT DOWN TO LONG-TERM STRATEGIES. 
          THE WAY WE'RE COMMUNICATING IT IS WHEN APPROPRIATE, WE WILL RE-ENGAGE LAW AS PROPERTY OWNERS TO THIS TAIL AND CIRCLE BACK AROUND ON THE ABILITY TO DESIGNATE A TRAIL SYSTEM FORMERLY FOR THE COMMUNITY ON LAW PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE THESE PINK POLYGONS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. 
          TWO OTHER SPOTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY IMPROVING ACCESS FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF MESA THINK RAILROADS SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXISTING RAILROAD UNDERPASSES THAT FOLKS ARE USING TO ACCESS THE MESA AND WE WANTED TO FORMALIZE THEM AND WE STILL DO WANT TO FORMALIZE THESE, BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE QUITE A FEW MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BURLINGTON NORTHERN SANTA FE RAILROAD AND REALLY LOOKING AT IMPROVING THESE UNDERPASSES IN AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND USER SAFETY STANDPOINT. 
          THIS IS DEFINITELY MORE OF A LONG-TERM CONVERSATION AND SO THOSE HAVE BEEN MOVED DOWN AS WELL. 
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I THINK MOST RELEVANT TO THIS COMMISSION IS THE PROPOSED FLOOD SHELLS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP AND SO THERE ARE SOME CONCEPTUAL ALIGNMENTS. 
          ONE IS REFERRED TO AS THE MARS HILL ALIGNMENT, IT IS THE SQUIGGLY LINE ON THE SOUTHEAST, SOUTH-CENTRAL PORTION OF THE MAP AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A POTENTIAL REROUTE OF THE FLOODS MARS HILL TRAIL TO REDUCE SOME OF THE STEEPEST GRADES AS YOU ENTER LAW PROPERTIES THEMSELVES. 
          THESE ALIGNMENTS ARE CURRENTLY IN CONCEPTUAL STATE AND SO WITHOUT THE FOOT'S PROGRAM HAVING THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND, GETTING APPROVAL, GOING THROUGH ANY NEPA ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESSES TO GET THESE PLANS APPROVED, SEEKING FUNDING, THEY ALSO REQUESTED THAT THIS BE MOVED BACK INTO THE LONG-TERM STRATEGIES AND THIS IS THIS CONCEPTUAL MARS HILL ALIGNMENTS AGAIN, THAT SQUIGGLY LINE ON THE THE EAST CENTRAL SOUTH EAST SIDE OF THE MAP DOES CONTAIN THOSE ORIGINAL MARS HILL ABUTMENTS THAT WERE BUILT DURING THE EARLY DAYS OF LOBES OR CHARITY THAT WAS THE ENTRANCE TO LOWELL PROPERTIES THEMSELVES. 
          WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER AS IMPORTANT ELEMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY OF FLAGSTAFF BUT AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS A WHEN READY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS AND WITH THE FOOTS PROGRAM. 
          THIS MAP HIGHLIGHTS A LITTLE BIT ON THE LEFT THERE YOU CAN SEE HOPEFULLY SOME OF THESE LIKE AQUA CYAN BUFFERS ALONG SOME OF THE TRIALS. 
          THESE ARE THE TRAILS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY PROPOSING AS THE ADAPTIVE ALIGNMENTS. 
          AGAIN, 36 INCHES WIDE AS OPPOSED TO 24 INCHES WIDE, WHICH ARE THE REST OF THOSE DASHED PURPLE LINES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT TEAL BUFFER AROUND THEM. 
          ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE'S THESE LIGHT-BLUE LINES. 
          THESE ARE USER-CREATED TRAILS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MESA NEAR THE FOOT'S TUNNELS SPRING SYSTEM. 
          THESE ARE THE TRAILS THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS, HIGHEST VOLUME OF COMMENTS REALLY ABOUT REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT THESE AND ADOPTING THESE FOR MOUNTAIN BIKE EXPERIENCE FOR PROMOTING HIGHER SKILLED WRITERS OPPORTUNITIES TO RIDE CLOSE TO TOWN. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE HOW THESE ARE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON AS FAR AS IF OUR INTERESTED PARTNERS SUPPORT OR DO NOT SUPPORT SOME OF THESE IDEAS. 
          BASICALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE THIS STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. 
          IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AS A BODY, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THAT HAPPENS BY THE END OF MAY. 
          THAT'LL GIVE US A FEW DAYS, ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE WE OPEN THIS UP TO THE ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENTING PLATFORM AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR DRAFT IS READY TO GO TO SEEK THE NEXT ROUND OF PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          NOW, IF THE COMMISSION IS NOT PREPARED OR INTERESTED IN MAKING COMMENTS AS A BODY, THAT IS TOTALLY FINE WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE RELEASE THE PLAN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTING ON THE ONLINE FORUM AND ALSO INVITING YOU TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING WHICH WE HAVE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 14TH AT THE AQUAPLEX. 
          IF YOU WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS PERSONALLY, WE REALLY ENCOURAGE PERSONAL COMMENTS TO COME DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SO YOU REALLY, THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS CALL RIGHT NOW, DO HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS AND WE WOULD LOVE IF YOU WOULD SHARE THIS WITH YOUR CHANNELS, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR NEIGHBORS, ANYONE THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SALES ON OBSERVATORY, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LOT MORE COMMENTS THAN 323 TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN BEST REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY. 
          I WILL STOP THERE, THIS IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND MAKE SURE THAT IF ROBERT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY CONTEXT, HE'S ABLE TO DO SO AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. 
          >> THANKS, MARK, THIS IS ROBERT. 
          I THINK YOU REALLY COVERED IT VERY NICELY, BUT I'M HERE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY. THANKS. 
          >> GREAT. THANKS, ROBERT. 
          >> MARK, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? 
          >> YEAH. I BELIEVE HE COVERED THE PLAN. 
          OF COURSE, I WROTE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE SPECIFIC TO THE HISTORY, AND OF COURSE, IF THEY'RE DOING INTERPRETATION, THE REASON IT'S OBSERVATORY MESA IS BECAUSE OF PERCIVAL LOWELL SELECTING THAT SITE AS A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD SEE THE SKY ELEVATION WISE, DARK SKY WISE, THE NAME ITSELF IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO LOWELL OBSERVATORY. 
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OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY AND THAT WAS NOTED THAT IMPROVED ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. 
          CERTAINLY, SAFETY, AND IMPACTS, AND PARKING IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AS WELL, AND WHETHER THAT PLAN HAS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACTS, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. 
          I'M REALLY HUNG UP ON THE STONE ABUTMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN PART OF THE WHOLE STORY. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY A MAJOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT BY THE CITIZENS OF FLAGSTAFF THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE ROAD UP TO OBSERVATORY MESA. 
          THE LOCATION OF THE STONE ABUTMENTS IS WHERE THE SATURN GATE, WHICH IS NOW UP ON THE MESA, BUT IT WAS DESIGNED BY PERCIVAL LOWELL. 
          WHAT'S REALLY UNIQUE ABOUT THE STONE ABUTMENTS, I ACTUALLY PUT A PICTURE IN THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WATER TAP ON THE EASTERN STONE ABUTMENT THAT'S [LAUGHTER] DEGENERATING. 
          THE STORY OF EVEN GETTING WATER UP TO THE MESA WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT BY THE CITIZENS TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT FACILITY. 
          THAT ORIGINAL MARS HILL WAGON ROAD IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WHEN THEY DID THE EVALUATION OF THE LANDMARK DISTRICT, THEY MADE A POINT TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE THOSE. 
          WE'RE NOT SURE IF THE ABUTMENTS ARE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WHETHER THEY'RE PART OF THE CITY OWNING THEM. 
          I BELIEVE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ON CITY PROPERTY VERSUS WHETHER LOANS, BUT THE BORDERS RIGHT THERE. 
          AS FAR AS INTERPRETATION, PRESERVATION OF THOSE IS IMPORTANT. 
          I'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH LOWELL AND THERE'S A BUDGET LINE ITEM, BUT OF COURSE, COST TO THEIR NEW BUILDING HAS CAUSED ISSUES WITH RELEASING MONEY ON THAT. 
          I ALSO APPLIED TO [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR TEMPORARY RESTORATION, PRESERVATION OF THOSE STONE ABUTMENTS. 
          IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE FOOT'S EARLIER ON AND IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY RIGHT AT THAT HAIRPIN CORNER WHERE PEOPLE RIDE THEIR BIKES UP AND WALK UP, AND WE DON'T KILL SOMEBODY IF WE CAN GO SOONER WITH THE FLOODS, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONTINUING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STORY FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          > ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER [PHONETIC]. 
          >> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE. 
          YOU PROVIDED A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM, BUT I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. 
          I LIVED IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO THE TOWN SITE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 34 YEARS NOW, HOMEOWNER INVOLVED IN CREATING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE, ET CETERA. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN ONE OF YOUR STAKEHOLDERS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON NORTH AND SOUTH OF SANTA FE HAVE USED THAT AREA FOR GENERATIONS AND NEVER NEEDED ANY DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S BEEN LOVELY, QUIET AREA FOR US, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU WOULD SPECIFICALLY SPEAK WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. 
          MAYBE HOLD SOMETHING AT THE LIBRARY AND WE GET THE WORD OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT US. 
          I HAVE A WHOLE MAP I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT HOW THE WEST SIDE OF FLAGSTAFF IS BURDENED WITH MORE THAN OUR SHARE OF PEOPLE'S RECREATION, AND EVENTS, AND SPEEDING, AND [LAUGHTER] EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I'VE NOTICED THE SILOING OF EVERYTHING. 
          EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN IDEAS FOR PROJECTS, AND NOBODY'S WORKING ACROSS AND UNDERSTANDING THE EFFECTS ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE 24/7, 365, DAYS OF THE YEAR. 
          I THINK I SAW IN YOUR PLAN TO PUT PARKING UP ON THE BIA ROAD. 
          WE JUST DON'T NEED MORE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OUR AREA. 
          I'M THROWING A LOT OF STUFF AT YOU, BUT TIME IS SHORT. 
          LAST WINTER IT WAS PUBLISHED THAT THORPE PARK WAS A SNOW PLAY AREA, AND IT MADE OUR LIVES MISERABLE FOR A WHILE. 
          ONCE THAT GOES ON THE INTERNET, THERE'S NO CONTROLLING WHAT PEOPLE DO AND THE POLICE DON'T BACK US UP. 
          I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR YOU TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE ALL THE TIME AND HAVE BEEN USING THE AREA FOR EONS, AND MAKE THAT WE STILL HAVE A QUIET WALKING AREA, AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE E-BIKES RUNNING PEOPLE OVER. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES I SEE WITH THIS. 
          [LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T SHARE. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE ARE ALREADY SHARING IN A CERTAIN WAY. 
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IF YOU UP THE IMPACTS, IT'S ALL ABOUT FUN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME AND NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT ALL. 
          I WOULD REALLY PLEASE ASK YOU TO. 
          I WILL HELP YOU REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE, AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HOLD A MEETING AND LISTEN TO US BECAUSE WE GIVE A LOT TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK I'M NOT FOND TO E-BIKES. 
          I'M A BICYCLIST. I'M 65. 
          I'VE BEEN BICYCLING SINCE I WAS FOUR, BUT I STARTED TOURING AT 12, SO I'M A VERY EXPERIENCED CYCLIST, AND THE E-BIKES DO NOT BELONG ON TRAILS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING. 
          I HAVE A FRIEND IN HER 80S AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO BE ON THE URBAN TRAILS ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERATE AND THEY GO FASTER AND THEY GO FARTHER, SO THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE. 
          THAT THING, AND I JUST WOULD REALLY ASK THAT YOU COME TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE. THANKS. 
          >> THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION THAT I HAD. 
          HOW DID YOU ADVERTISE THAT YOU ARE SEEKING COMMENTS? WAS IT SIGNS SPECIFICALLY AT THE TRAIL HEAD, OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS JUST A GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE WEBSITE? 
          >> WELL, THIS CURRENT COMMENT PERIOD IS JUST THE INTERESTED PARTNER COMMENT PERIOD. 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] SORRY, I MEANT THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] THE ORIGINAL ONE? 
          >> YES. YOUR STAGE 1 OR 2 OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WHERE YOU GATHERED THOSE 300 COMMENTS, MANY OF WHICH WERE FROM BICYCLISTS. 
          IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO OUTREACH FOR THE SECOND PERIOD OF PUBLIC COMMENT? 
          >> I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          WE HAD A PUBLIC PRESS RELEASE THAT WENT OUT. 
          WE HAD SOME SOCIAL MEDIA, SUCH AS, FACEBOOK. 
          WE POSTED THE PLAN AND NOTICES ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL, AND THEN WE SENT OUT A MASS EMAIL TO OUR LIST AND THE INTERESTED PERSON LIST FOR THE CITY AS WELL. 
          >> THANK YOU. THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, AS MARK NOTED IN HIS COMMENTS, WE DO HAVE NON-ELIGIBLE EVIDENCE OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES. 
          WILL YOU GUYS BE DOING ANOTHER SURVEY OF THE AREAS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED, SUCH AS ALONG THE NEW TRAILS, OR THE NEW PARKING STRUCTURES TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL CULTURAL RESOURCES? 
          >> WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AS OPEN SPACE, THE STATE OF ARIZONA LAND PERMIT, PART OF THE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE OBTAINED STATE FUNDING FOR PURCHASING THE PROPERTY WAS TO DO A CULTURAL SURVEY FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          THEN WE'LL BE PARTNERING WITH OTHER LAND MANAGERS SUCH AS THE FOREST SERVICE, AND POTENTIALLY EVENTUALLY LOWELL TO SURVEY THE ALIGNMENTS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WHEN IMPLEMENTATION HAPPENS. 
          >> GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. 
          >> THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, AND THE CITY DOES THIS A LOT TOO, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T ON SOCIAL MEDIA, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T ON COMPUTERS ALL THE TIME, SO BY USING THAT AS YOUR PRIMARY METHOD FOR CONTACTING PEOPLE IS SELF-SELECTING A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION. 
          I WILL REITERATE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, MANY ARE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS ON MULTI-GENERATIONAL BACK TO THE PIONEERS HERE, I WILL HELP YOU DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING THINGS ONLINE, AND THEY DON'T SEE IT, OR THEY HAVE CONFLICTS AND CAN'T GO TO YOUR MEETINGS, AND THERE NEED TO BE OTHER WAYS THAN JUST COMPUTERS FOR PEOPLE TO BE CONTACTED. 
          >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I THINK. 
          I DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I COULD SEE WHERE THIS COULD IMPACT THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND POSSIBLY MAYBE A DIFFERENT KIND OF OUTREACH, OR COMMUNICATION TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS. 
          WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE IMMEDIATE HOAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THE MESA. 
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BUT WE ALSO INTEND TO SIGN THE MAIN ENTRANCE POINTS FOR THE MESA WITH NOTICES OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS. 
          HOPEFULLY, YOU'RE CAPTURING SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT USES THE MESA AS WELL. 
          >> SORRY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER DEB. 
          I'VE HAD MY HAND RAISED FOR SOMETIME. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO GO ON ME. 
          SORRY. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. 
          I'M TRYING TO KEEP TRACK. 
          IS THIS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE? 
          >> NO. [OVERLAPPING] THE FINAL PROCESS STEP, AT LEAST ON THE CITY SIDE, IS CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GATHERING FEEDBACK AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPACE UP THERE ON THE MESA. 
          BUT NONE OF THIS HAS APPROVED. 
          THIS IS COMPLETELY IN DRAFT MODE RIGHT NOW. 
          >> AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT KEEPING UP HERE. 
          WHAT IS THE ORGANIZATION OR ENTITY THAT IS PUTTING THIS IN MOTION? I HAVEN'T TRACKED THAT VERY WELL. 
          >> THIS PROPERTY IS MANAGED BY THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF OPEN SPACE SECTION. 
          WE MANAGE ABOUT 3,000 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. 
          OBSERVATORY MESA BEING THE LARGEST PRESERVE THAT WE MANAGE FOR A PRESERVATION AND FOR PUBLIC RECREATION. 
          >> IT IS FLAGSTAFF OPEN SPACE THAT'S PUTTING THIS TOGETHER? 
          >> THAT IS CORRECT. 
          >> I WOULD ECHO MANY OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND CONCERNS THAT SHE VOICED. 
          I ALSO LIVE IN THAT AREA AND IT WAS NOT AWARE. 
          I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I DO THINK WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THERE WAS THE PRIORITY, I REALLY VALUE COMMUTING WITH ON A BICYCLE. 
          I JUST THINK THERE'S SO MANY OTHER AREAS THAT THAT NEED IS GREATER. 
          THIS SOUNDS JUST LIKE STRAIGHT RECREATION, NOT REALLY ENHANCING THE COMMUTABILITY OF OUR COMMUNITY BY BIKE. 
          I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONGESTION THAT WOULD CAUSE. 
          I DO SKI, HOWEVER, THIS DOES FEEL IN THE SAME VEIN AS ANOTHER JUST LIKE CENTERS SKI RESORT VIBE TO ME IS HOW IT FEELS AND I HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THE VALUE THAT IT REALLY BRINGS TO THE RESIDENTS OF FLAGSTAFF. 
          JUST TO PUT MY CONCERNS OUT THERE ON RECORD. 
          >> SARAH. 
          >> HI. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A STAFF COMMENT AS A PLANNER, NOT AS THE LIAISON FOR THE CITY. 
          I SPENT 10 YEARS BEFORE WORKING FOR THE CITY WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE AND DOING RECREATION PLANNING AND ASSISTING SEDONA AND OTHER COMMUNITIES WITH THEIR TRAILS PLANNING. 
          I WANT TO INFORM YOU ALL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOME FALSE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT TRAILS PLANNING IN GENERAL IS REALLY ABOUT. 
          SINCE THE EARLY 2000S, ALL OPEN SPACE AND LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCIES HAVE STRUGGLED TO BE AHEAD OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET IN MANAGING SPECIAL PLACES. 
          I THINK WE ALL KNOW OBSERVATORY MESA IS A SPECIAL PLACE. 
          FOSSIL CREEK, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A WELL-KNOWN SPECIAL PLACE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA THAT WAS COMPLETELY DECIMATED BY UNMANAGED RECREATION [NOISE] IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, AND ONE OF THE LEARNINGS THAT TRAIL PLANNING AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS HAVE GOTTEN FROM MAO'S EXPERIENCES IS THAT WE EITHER ARE IN CHARGE OF TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO USE THESE AVAILABLE PUBLIC SPACES, OR THEY WILL FIND OUT AND SOMEONE WILL CREATE A YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT EVERYONE WILL SEE AND YOU'LL HAVE 1,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP UNEXPECTEDLY ON A WEEKEND BECAUSE IT WAS THE COOLEST THING THAT TRENDED ON YOUTUBE OR TIKTOK THAT WEEK. 
          THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT AND A CHALLENGE FOR RECREATION MANAGERS. 
          SOMEONE WHO'S SEEN THE PLACES BEING LOVED TO DEATH IN MY CAREER, IT IS SOMETHING I'M REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT. 
          YOU DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT I'VE BEEN A WILDERNESS PLANNER. 
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I'VE HELPED GET NEW WILDERNESS IS EVALUATED AND DESIGNATED. 
          I REALLY VALUE PRIMITIVE RECREATION EXPERIENCES. 
          [NOISE] IT IS NOT AS EASY AS LET'S KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT AND HOPE NO ONE FINDS THE WAY INTO THIS AREA. 
          AS A COMMISSION, ONE, I DID JUST MESSAGE ROBERT THAT I WAS LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE MATERIALS AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE TOWN SITE NEIGHBORHOOD OR LA PLAZA VIEJA, WHICH BOTH HAVE DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE OBSERVATORY MESA LITTLE AREA WERE NOTIFIED. 
          I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION THAT ROBERT AND MARK NEED TO GO HAVE A MEETING WITH BOTH OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BEFORE THEY TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL OR TO THE OPEN SPACE COMMISSION. 
          CERTAINLY, MARK, AND I CAN BOTH HELP WITH THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD PAY CLOSE ATTENTION AS YOU ARE REVIEWING THIS, EITHER AS INDIVIDUALS OR A GROUP AS TWO ACCESS POINTS WHERE WILL PEOPLE BE DIRECTED BY A TRAILS PLAN TO ENTER A TRAIL SYSTEM? WHERE WILL THERE BE CLEARLY DEFINED TRAILS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY ON A FLAT AREA, LIKE OBSERVATORY MESA, IT COULD BE BRAIDED WITH TRAILS, ALL KINDS. 
          THERE ARE SOME LIMITS TO WHAT ROBERT AND MARK CAN DO ON THE MESA BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERY LENGTHY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, ABOUT A YEAR AND-A-HALF AGO, MAYBE ON E- BIKES AND WHAT WAS ALLOWED ON WHAT TRAILS. 
          I HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR BECAUSE THAT WAS AT THOSE MEETINGS WITH MARTIN AND SAW A MULTIMODAL PLANNER, THAT THAT IS A CITY-WIDE RULE AND THEY DON'T REALLY, AT THE TIME, THE COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO MAKE AREAS SPECIFIC RULES. 
          JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE TRAILS PLANNING WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AS YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS DOCUMENT, THE SCOPE OF WHAT I THINK YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT, IS ARE ACCESS POINTS APPROPRIATE ARE THE TRAILS BEING DRAWN APPROPRIATE FROM YOUR STANDPOINT EITHER AS USERS OF AREA OR NEIGHBORS TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM, OR AS PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES APPROPRIATE? THEN HOW CAN THAT BE MESSAGE IN A WAY THAT REALLY PRESERVES THE RESOURCE, PRESERVES THE EXPERIENCE, AND ASSIST STAFF IN BEING A HEAD OF A TIKTOK TREND GETTING COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL IN AN AREA THAT WE VALUE? THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE IN TRAILS PLANNING AND I KNOW MARK AND ROBERT HAVE TONS TO SHARE TOO. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A HORROR STORY. 
          PEACE WITH WHAT I'M ADDING HERE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REALLY OFFER MEANINGFUL COMMENTS AND TO SHAPE WHAT HAPPENS IN A TRAILS PLAN LIKE THIS, BUT THEY REALLY AREN'T NECESSARY. 
          WE CAN'T JUST GO, WELL, WE DON'T NEED A TRANSPLANT BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS IT'S HERE. 
          THAT'S WHERE FOSSIL CREEK BELIEVED IT WAS REMOTE ENOUGH THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AND CERTAINLY, OBSERVATORY MESA IS FAR MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN AN AREA LIKE FOSSIL CREEK. 
          THAT'S JUST MY ALMOST 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN RECREATION AND OUTDOOR RECREATION AND PLANNING FOR CITIES AND TRAILS AND WILDERNESS. 
          I HOPE THAT IS HELPFUL TO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT WILL HELP ROBERT AND MARK. 
          >> SARAH, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I HAVE WITNESSED A LOT OF SOCIAL TRIALS UP THERE THAT WERE NEVER THERE BEFORE. SOME OF MY LIKE. 
          [LAUGHTER] BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          IT'S GOOD TO STAY AHEAD OF IT. 
          I JUST THINK WHERE THE PARKING IS PLACED WAS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYONE AROUND IT AND THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE READ SIGNS. 
          I WORKED AT THE LIBRARY FOR 30 YEARS, NOBODY READ SIGNS. 
          WHERE ARE THOSE ACCESS POINTS ARE, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO NEIGHBORS. BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          >> YES, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE COMMENT THAT ROBERT AND MARK CAN USE TO IMPROVE THE PLAN AND TO HELP SHAPE WHAT YOU SEE. 
          I SEE COMMISSIONER DAY HAS HER HAND UP. 
          >> NO, THAT WAS PREVIOUS. 
          I SHOULD PUT THAT DOWN. SORRY. 
          >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ALL FIGURING OUT THE NEW ROOM. 
          >> I ALSO AGREE. DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING? 
          >> ROBERT WALLACE HAS HIS HAND UP. 
          >> I CAN'T SEE THEY'RE SO TINY. ROBERT. 
          >> THANKS. I WANTED TO THANK YOU SARAH, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I KNOW THAT PRESENTATION THAT MARK PUT TOGETHER IN ONE OVER FOR YOU WAS VERY QUICK AND FAST. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO LOOK AT TOO, 
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IS WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. 
          AN OBSERVED BETWEEN THESE SET SO THAT UNMANAGED RECREATION THAT SARAH MENTIONED IS WE'RE SEEING RESULTS FROM LOTS OF SOCIAL TRAILS, SOME MOTORIZED VEHICLE USE AND WHATNOT. 
          IF YOU COMPARE THE MAPS OF WHAT IS PROPOSED TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS UP THERE, I THINK THAT YOU'LL FIND THAT IT ACTUALLY IS A STEP IN PRESERVING THE AREA MORE SO THAN THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE ARE USING. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT'S A WIN FOR PRESERVING THIS AREA FOR A PERPETUITY. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          IF THIS IS DEVELOPED, WOULD IT BE USED FOR EVENTS? I'VE RUN INTO PEOPLE UP THERE, SCOPING IT OUT FOR TRAIL RUNS FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          IS THAT SOMEWHERE YOU'RE HEADING WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF PARKING AND A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ISN'T REQUIRED WHEN IT'S QUIETLY USED BY LOCALS. 
          SO WHERE ARE YOU HEADING WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE? WHAT ARE YOUR FUTURE PLANS? 
          >> THE CITY DOES PERMIT EVENTS ON CITY PROPERTY THAT ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WE CURRENTLY DO ISSUE SOME PERMITS FOR EVENTS ON OBSERVATORY MESA SUCH AS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB MARATHON THAT THEY RUN UP THERE. 
          I WOULD SEE THOSE CONTINUING. 
          IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULD SEE ADDITIONAL PERMITS WITH A FORMAL TRAIL SYSTEM, AND WE WOULD REVEAL THOSE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION. 
          >> AN ISSUE I'VE OBSERVED ABOUT THORPE PARK IS IT'S NOW A REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY. 
          THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF MORE USE THAN IF IT WERE JUST LOCALS USING IT. 
          COULD THIS TURN INTO A REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY AND THERE WOULD BE LOTS OF EVENTS UP THERE? 
          >> THAT REMAINS TO BE UNSEEN I THINK BY OUR SECTION. 
          I THINK MOST EVENTS FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING AND THAT THING GOES TO THE FOREST SERVICE AND THEIR TRAIL SYSTEM SUCH AS THE SCHULTZ CREEK TRAIL AREA. 
          WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING LIKE OUR REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY NOR ENCOURAGING ADDITIONAL EVENTS. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MAP FOR LOWELL OBSERVATORY. 
          IS THAT ALSO THE BOUNDARY FOR THE NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT? 
          >> THAT BOUNDARY REALLY ISN'T SHOWN THERE. 
          IT'S PRETTY ISOLATED AROUND TO ALL THE DIFFERENT OBSERVATORY DOMES. 
          THERE'S SOME SITES THAT ARE OFF TO THE FRINGE BUT DOWN ON THAT HAIRPIN CORNER WHERE THE STONE ABUTMENTS ARE, IS ACTUALLY AN ISOLATED RADIUS AROUND THOSE. 
          IT IS THAT PORTION OF MARS HILL ROAD IS ACTUALLY ISOLATED FROM THE LANDMARK, BUT IT'S INCLUDED IN A LANDMARK. 
          BUT THOSE BOUNDARIES DO EXIST THAT ARE CLEAR. 
          WHAT'S NEAT TOO, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR SITE IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE SATURN GATES AND MAKING THEM ACTUALLY THE ENTRY TO THE LANDMARK DISTRICT ITSELF AND THEN SEPARATING THE NEW BUILDING AND SOME OF THOSE PATHWAYS THAT ARE OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THERE ARE SOME ISOLATED TELESCOPE MOUNTS AND THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ISOLATED DOME THAT'S REALLY PRETTY NEAT TOO. 
          I THINK THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO MAKE A POINT TO TELL THE STORY FROM WHAT I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM, THEY'LL TELL THE STORY OF THE LANDMARK DISTRICT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE AND OF COURSE, [INAUDIBLE] HIMSELF IS HOUSED UP THERE IN ITS OWN MAUSOLEUM, WHICH IS PRETTY DARN NEAT. 
          >> WERE YOU ASKING ABOUT HOW FAR WEST IT GOES? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME REALLY INTERESTING INSTRUMENTS AND THINGS OR SUPPORTS FOR INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SECTION. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE WESTERN? 
          >> NO, I WAS WONDERING WHERE THE BOUNDARY WAS AND IT IS OFTEN SOMETIMES AROUND IN ISOLATED BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES, BUT WHAT I WAS REALLY ASKING WAS 
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HOW MUCH OF THIS TRAIL SYSTEM WILL BE IN THE DISTRICT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEN IT WON'T BE BECAUSE IT'S AROUND STRUCTURES, BUT IT WILL BE IMPACT TO THE VISUAL SETTING FEELING ASSOCIATION AND SO ON. 
          >> YEAH, THERE COULD BE SOME IMPACT, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT AN ADVERSE EFFECT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY POSITIVE BECAUSE IT ENDS UP PRESERVING THINGS AND EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT THE SITE ITSELF. 
          >> I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          IN THE CULTURE RESEARCH STUDY THAT WAS DONE UP THERE, WERE ANY OF THE ROAD, I THINK IT WAS FIVE MILES OF TRAIL, 11 MILES OF ROADS. 
          ARE ANY OF THOSE ALONG HISTORIC ALIGNMENTS OR HISTORIC TRAILS,WAS THERE AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT? 
          >> I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE RESEARCH STUDY. 
          THEY WERE JUST LOOKING AT ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES ALONG THE WAY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ON THOSE ROAD ALIGNMENTS. 
          I WOULD IMAGINE I HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IMPROVING AND INCLUDING THOSE ISOLATED TELESCOPE MOUNTS IN REVISIONS TO THEIR LANDMARK DISTRICT AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL MARS HILL ROAD AS AN ALIGNMENT. 
          THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION AND THEN CONNECTING ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          >> CAN YOU REMIND US ONE MORE TIME. 
          WILL YOU BE COMING BACK TO US WITH MORE INFORMATION AS THIS DEVELOPS IN THE FUTURE? 
          >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR RETOOLING THE PLAN BEFORE PUBLIC RELEASE AND THEN WE WILL BE PROVIDING IT FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR 40 DAYS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE COUPLED WITH A PUBLIC MEETING AT THE ACCUPLEX. 
          GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, WE WILL AGAIN RETOOL OR REVISE THE PLAN GIVEN COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND WE WILL DO ONE LAST RELEASE OF THE PLAN FOR A FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOLLOWING THAT. 
          WE WERE NOT PLANNING ON COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION BETWEEN NOW AND THAT SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          >> THANKS. I JUST GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THROWN AT ME AND I FORGOT WHERE WE WERE. 
          YEAH AND I'D LOVE TO SEE EDUCATIONAL SIGNS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE REGARDING HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THOSE WOULD BE FANTASTIC AT LIKE THE ABUTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT MAYBE AT THE TELESCOPE BASIS. 
          >> THAT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THE COMMISSION'S INPUT ON THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I MIGHT MENTION TOO THAT WE DO NOT HAVE FUNNY FOR IMPLEMENTATION AT THIS POINT SO WE HAVE A VERY SMALL OPERATING BUDGET AND SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE US TO APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR IMPLEMENTATION. 
          WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT APPLYING FOR GRANTS FOR EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE, WE'D BE DELIGHTED TO HAVE INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION ON THAT. 
          >> GREAT. THANK YOU. TO CHAIR DALE IF ROBERT AND MARK SEND ME ANY END MARK BREVIS, I GOT TO GET MY MARK STRAIGHT HERE. 
          MARK LLOSA AND ROBERT WALLACE SEND MARK GRAVIS AND I DATES FOR ANY OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          [C. Historic and Character Overlay Update HPO will provide a short report regarding La Plaza Vieja and WC Riles potential overlay, noting attendance at neighborhood coalition meeting.]
WE CAN CERTAINLY PASS THEM ALONG AS AN FYI EMAIL. 
          LOOK, I'M TIRED BECAUSE I WAS A COUNCIL LAST NIGHT. 
          [NOISE] AS AN FYI EMAIL TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          OF COURSE, IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND THEN IF MORE THAN THREE OF YOU WANT TO ATTEND, THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T. 
          I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE I CAN ADVERTISE A QUORUM. 
          THAT'S MY BUSINESS SIDE OF THIS, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND, JUST LET US KNOW. 
          >> GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARK AND ROBERT. 
          TURNING BACK TO ORIGINAL MARK, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM 7C [LAUGHTER] THE HISTORIC AND CHARACTER OVERLAY UPDATE. 
          >> THE ORIGINAL, THE ONE AND ONLY. 
          THAT WAS A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER TO GET AN UPDATE ON HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH CHARACTER OVERLAYS AND HISTORIC OVERLAYS. 
          IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE. 
          WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE PLAZA VIEW HOW WE HAVE DISSECTED AGAIN, SIMPLIFIED, AND ALSO TALKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MEETING THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN OUR ZONING CODE. 
          [02:00:03]
WE'RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE SOME REVISIONS OF GRAPHICS AND IF WE GET CLOSER TO THAT, WE CAN START LOOKING AT WC RILES. 
          I WAS AT A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          THERE'S A NEW OUTREACH BY THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COLLEGE. 
          WHAT IS THE NEW NAME OF THAT GROUP, AURELIUS? 
          >> THE CLEO MURDOCH NEIGHBORHOOD PARK PROJECT? 
          >> NO. 
          >> I DO REMEMBER. IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARTNERSHIP COUNCIL AND IT'S BEING PULLED TOGETHER BY VOLODYA CHASE WHO IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON. 
          SHE'S AN EMPLOYEE THAT WORKS LIKE 50% FOR THE CITY AND 50% FOR NAU. 
          SHE'S GOT A FOOT IN BOTH WORLDS AND SO SHE'S PULLING THOSE MEETINGS TOGETHER EVERY OTHER MONTH BASIS AT THE MURDOCH CENTRE. 
          >> AS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER, I WAS THERE, THERE WAS TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM LA PLAZA AD HOC AND THEY KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. 
          THEN A HAND POPPED UP FROM THE WC RILES, PROPOSED OVERLAY AND I SAID, YES, I KNOW. 
          YOU ARE ON THE AGENDA AND WE ALSO HAD CONFIRMATION THAT IT'S A PRIORITY TO MOVE ON WITH THAT AND PRESERVE THAT PORTION OF THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT WITH INTERESTED PEOPLE IN THAT. 
          THAT'S MY UPDATE ON THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BUT IT'S ON OUR LIST. 
          >> IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WEST HAMMER DID THAT ANSWER YOUR REQUESTS FOR AN UPDATE? 
          >> YES. [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> YES, THAT WAS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU BUT I MIGHT CONTACT YOU FOR SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WHEN I WASN'T HERE. 
          >> YEAH. THERE WAS EVEN ANOTHER POSITIVE FROM DAN FOLK SO HIGHER UP GOING. 
          YES, WE KNOW. THERE IS FUNDING THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          >> FOR THE RILES? 
          >> FOR THE WC RILES NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          >> WE JUST REQUESTED THAT FUNDING AS CARRYOVER. 
          THE BOTTLENECK ON THE BUDGET SIDE, WHICH I SPEND MORE TIME ON IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROJECT MANAGERS AVAILABLE FOR ALL THE PROJECTS. 
          WE HAD REQUESTED THAT MARK BE SPLIT INTO TWO, AND UNCONJOINED AS A POSITION THAT THE HPO AND A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER BE FILLED SEPARATELY, WHICH WOULD RETAIN MARK AS AN HPO, BUT CREATE A NEW PROJECT MANAGER IN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT WAS NOT MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION BUT WE DO NEED MORE CAPACITY IN BOTH PROGRAMS. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF I'M WAITING OUR TURN IN LINE AND MAKING THE SAME BUDGET REQUESTS, USUALLY 3-5 YEARS IN A ROW BEFORE THAT IS FUNDED. 
          I'M VERY PATIENT IN THE BUDGET PROCESSES AS MARK WILL TELL YOU AND WE WILL MAKE THE SAME REQUEST IN THE FY25 BUDGET UNTIL THE TIMING IS RIGHT AND THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE. 
          WE HAVEN'T GIVEN UP, WE JUST PATIENTLY WAIT OUR TURN. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF COMPETING PRIORITIES. 
          >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS COMMISSION OF RESEARCHERS COULD DO TO SUPPORT THAT? THAT SPLITTING AND HAVING TWO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF ONE? 
          >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I THINK THAT DURING THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THE COMMISSION MAKE A LETTER, YOU CAN ALWAYS WRITE LETTERS TO COUNSEL AND SAY HERE'S WHY WE ARE WAITING FOR THESE POSITIONS TO BE SPLIT UP. 
          ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE PROPOSED AS TWO POSITIONS. 
          NOBODY IN ANYWHERE HAS AN HPO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER. 
          WE'RE THE ONLY CITY I COULD EVER FIND THAT HAS THIS AS A COMBINED POSITION. 
          [8. REPORTS]
BUT AT THE TIMING WISE, IT WAS HAVE A COMBINED POSITION OR CHOOSE AND WE STILL NEEDED BOTH. 
          WE CROSSED OUR FINGERS AND FOUND MARK WHO DOES BOTH WITH SOME HELP. 
          BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE THE EXISTENCE OF TWO PROJECT MANAGERS WITH THAT CAPACITY EXIST. 
          IT JUST MADE A SKILL SET EXIST. 
          I DEFINITELY THINK IF YOU WANTED TO WORK ON NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OUR BUDGET REQUESTS ARE USUALLY DUE IN JANUARY, SO SOMETIME THIS FALL, YOU COULD FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO FRAME YOUR SUPPORT FOR AN ADDITIONAL BUDGET REQUEST AND WE CAN ATTACH THAT. 
          >> GREAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THEN WE SHALL MOVE ON TO REPORTS. 
          ANYTHING ON THE ROUTE 66? 
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CENTENNIAL, YOU'D LIKE TO LET US KNOW MARK? 
          >> I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTS. 
          I WOULD SAY FROM THE EASTERN NEWS SIGN ALL THE WAY OUT TO MCALLISTER RANCH SIGN AND INCLUDING THINGS ALONG ONE OF MY NEW FAVORITES IS STARLIGHT LANES IT'S CELEBRATING ITS 65TH ANNIVERSARY AS A MID-CENTURY MODERN GROOVY BREEZE BLOCK, CMU BUILDING, STILL WORKING WITH THE NATIONAL TRUST ON THE L, BLAH BLAH AND THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE. 
          WE HAVE A NEW INTEREST IN OUR GREENBOOK MOTELS ALONG PHOENIX TO HAVE THOSE ACKNOWLEDGED AND INTERPRETED. 
          AGAIN, ALL THE WAY OUT TO MCALLISTER RANCH. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN GO AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT FOR CELEBRATING THE CENTENNIAL 2026. 
          I THINK WE HAVE RESOURCES THAT ARE BEYOND MOST PEOPLE'S RESOURCES AND I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I'D APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE AND ANY OPPORTUNITIES YOU SEE ALONG THE WAY. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTING IF WE TEAMED UP WITH OTHER CITIES LIKE WILLIAMS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ROUTE 66 CONNECTS EVERYTHING. 
          THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN WORK WITH MAYBE OTHER CITIES TO DRAW INTERESTS TO THE AREA. 
          IMAGINE THERE'LL BE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES GALORE THAT YEAR. 
          >> I HAVE HEARD FROM ECONOMIC VITALITY THAT THEY ARE ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE CENTENNIAL. 
          THEY EXPECT THERE'S GOING TO BE AND THEY'VE HEARD THAT THERE'LL BE SOME STATE WIDE FUNDING FOR ADVERTISING IT, AND SO I THINK WE WON'T BE THE ONLY PLAYERS BUT WHEN I TOUCHED BASE WITH THEM A FEW DAYS AGO, THEY SAID THEY THOUGHT MAYBE 2024 WOULD BE WHEN MAYBE A TASK FORCE IS FORMING OR WE START SEEING A REAL ACTIVATION. 
          THIS IS THE PREPARATION PHASE OF LIKE, LET'S GET STARTED TALKING AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE AND WHAT PROJECTS PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          BUT NEXT YEAR THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES TO SIT ON TASK FORCE TO HELP REVIEW MATERIALS AND THEN THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO 2025 AS WE GET READY FOR THE 2026 ANTENNAE. 
          [9. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS - Appointment of new Commissioner on May 16th -Chair Dale and Sara Dechter will be absent for June meeting]
IN TERMS OF JUST TIMING, THAT'S HOW MARK AND I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          MORE WORK AND FUND AROUND THE CORNER. 
          IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME TIMELINE FOR THE RIO TO FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT. 
          [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT WE WILL SEE WHERE WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES COME TOGETHER. RIGHT, MARK? 
          >> YES. [LAUGHTER] I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT NATIONAL TRUST ALWAYS SAYS ABOUT HISTORIC SITES, ITS AUTHENTICITY AND TELLING THE STORY CORRECTLY THAT'S MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN THE FAKE HISTORY THAT EXISTS, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE THAT AUTHENTIC STORY TO TELL. 
          >> AWESOME. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. SARAH, DO WE HAVE NEWS FROM YESTERDAY'S APPOINTMENT AT THE 12-HOUR-LONG MEETING OR WHEREVER? 
          >> IN THE FIRST 20 MINUTES THEY APPOINTED YOUR SEVENTH COMMISSIONER. 
          SHOULD I LIKE DRUMROLL THIS? 
          >> IT IS OUR FORMER COMMISSIONER AMY HORNS. 
          SHE WAS ONLY OUR PUBLIC COMMISSIONER FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          [LAUGHTER] I EXPECT THAT SHE WILL BE RECEIVING HER EMAIL FROM STACY FOEBAR. 
          SHE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO BE I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TO RETRAIN HER. 
          I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY FOR TAKING OUR TIME AND WORKLOAD INTO CONSIDERATION IN REAPPOINTING HER. 
          WE WILL BE SEEING HER BACK WITH US IN JUNE. 
          I'M GLAD WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET TO THROW A GOOD BUY LUNCH FOR HER. 
          WHICH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND [INAUDIBLE] MADE IT TOO BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO SWING HER BACK IN AND REINTEGRATE HER QUICKLY FOR A NEW APPOINTMENT. 
          THEY ALSO CLARIFIED AT THAT MEETING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PROFESSIONALS AND TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THERE'S THREE LARGEST POSITIONS. 
          THEY CLARIFIED THAT COMMISSIONER DAY AND COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER ARE CONSIDERED OUR HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          AMY'S APPOINTMENT, COMMISSIONER HORN'S APPOINTMENT WAS TO AN AT-LARGE POSITION, THOUGH SHE'S ALSO QUALIFIED AS A PROFESSIONAL. 
          RIGHT NOW THE PROFESSIONALS ON THE COMMISSION, ARE COMMISSIONER DALE AND COMMISSIONER HAYES. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'RE MAKING OUR REQUIRED CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND MAKEUP OCCUR. 
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ANYBODY, ANYTIME SOMETHING OPENS AND SOMEBODY WHO'S QUALIFIED FOR ONE OF THOSE PROFESSIONAL OR PROPERTY OWNER POSITIONS WHO'S CURRENTLY IN AN AT-LARGE, THEY CAN BE MOVED OVER JUST BY A CLARIFICATION. 
          IT'S A WAVE THAT SHIPPO THAT YES, WE'RE STILL MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE'VE JUST RELABELED SOME PEOPLE AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE COMMISSION DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR APPOINTMENT OTHER THAN WE'RE IDENTIFYING THEM AS SUCH. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS OPENLY CLARIFIED AND THAT YOU GUYS WERE AWARE OF THAT. 
          >> SPEAKING OF THE JUNE MEETING, I WILL BE GONE. 
          WE WILL NEED TO APPOINT A CHAIR FOR THAT MEETING. 
          SARAH WILL ALSO BE GONE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BESIDES WE'LL ALL BE LOST. 
          I THINK VICE CHAIR DEA IS ALSO NOT GOING TO BE HERE IN PERSON AGAIN FOR JUNE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE'VE SENT SOME EMAILS ABOUT THIS. 
          I THINK THE KEY IS OF THE PEOPLE WHO INTEND TO BE HERE IN PERSON WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHAIR DALE'S SPOT. 
          THEN JORDAN HOLLANDER THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER WHO'S ONLINE RIGHT NOW, HAS AGREED TO COME SIT IN THIS CHAIR AND HE SAT WITH ME TODAY TO DO THE EQUIPMENT REVIEW. 
          IS THERE A REASON COMMISSIONER DAY CAN'T BE CHAIR FROM TEAMS BECAUSE THAT IS BASICALLY HOW WE HAVE RUN TEAMS SINCE THREE YEARS NOW? 
          >> I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF IF SHE'S COMFORTABLE DOING IT IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION BEFORE. 
          WE'D ACTUALLY ALL SAT HERE AND TRIED OUT THE EQUIPMENT AND TALK THROUGH IT. 
          I DO THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL WHOEVER IS SITTING IN THE CHAIR POSITIONS SHOULD HAVE A LAPTOP WITH THE MEETING OPEN SO THEY CAN SEE THE CHAT IN ADDITION TO JORDAN WHO'S SITTING HERE SEEING THE CHAT BECAUSE WHILE I WAS TRYING TO SIGNAL THAT YOU SOMETIMES. 
          OCCASIONALLY, IT'S NOT SO EASY TO SEE. 
          I DO TOO HAVE TO WEAR MY GLASSES TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SMALL PRINT ON THE SCREENS OVER THERE. 
          THE ANGLE CAN BE DIFFERENT. 
          NOW THAT WE'VE SAT HERE, I THINK THAT'S UP TO ALL OF YOU, BUT JUST TELL JORDAN AND MARK BECAUSE THEY'LL BE THE STAFF PEOPLE HERE ABLE TO ASSIST YOU BECAUSE I WILL PHYSICALLY BE ON A PLANE. 
          IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE I COULD MAKE IT REMOTELY, I WON'T BE AVAILABLE. 
          >> COMMISSIONER DAY DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING TEMPORARY CHAIR FROM TEAMS? 
          >> I DO. I DIDN'T KNOW THE LOGISTICS, SINCE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM IF IT WAS EASIER TO HAVE SOMEONE PHYSICALLY FILL THAT ROLE? 
          >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE FINE. WE HARDLY EVER HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME IN PERSON THAT WE WOULD NEED TO INTERACT WITH. 
          WE'VE HAD HALF TEAMS, HALF IN-PERSON MEETING. 
          DUFFY WAS COMING IN PERSON FOR AWHILE WHILE I WAS CHEERING FROM TEAMS. IT'S WORKED, IT'S ONE MEETING. 
          >> YOU SAY THAT AND NOW THE HOST IS GOING SHOW UP. 
          [LAUGHTER] THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING PRESSING THAT THEY NEED. 
          >> I NODE TOO LOUDLY ON WOOD FOR YOU COMMISSIONER DAY. 
          >> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. 
          >> SHE CAN ALSO JUST RECUSE HERSELF FROM ALL OF THE ITEMS. [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> WE DO HAVE INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA. 
          JORDAN WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT SAYS LIKE EMAIL, IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES OR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU WANT TO SUBMIT AN ADVANCE. 
          IF MARK STARTS GETTING HIS PHONE BLOWN UP THE WEEK OF THE MEETING OR JORDAN, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, THE ONE HERE INSTEAD OF MINE STARTS GETTING 20 EMAILS. 
          HE CAN ALWAYS GET IN TOUCH. 
          THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH COMMISSIONER DAY AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          COMMISSIONER DAY CAN MAKE THE CALL OF REQUESTING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HELP HER CO-MANAGE THE MEETING IN PERSON. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. 
          IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN. 
          I LIKE HAVING NICE OPEN CONTINGENCY DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF THE CHAIR AND MYSELF ARE BOTH NOT HERE BECAUSE WE ARE SURE YOU ALL WILL FIGURE IT OUT, BUT IT WILL BE SMOOTHER AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPIER AND YOU WILL FEEL MORE PREPARED IF WE'RE READY. 
          >> WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONER DAY THE WEEK BEFORE TO GO OVER THE AGENDA THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING? IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO? 
          >> NO. I WILL BE, I WILL STILL BE IN FLAGSTAFF UNTIL FRIDAY. 
          >> COMMISSIONER DAY, I MEET WITH SARAH ABOUT A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME AND WE JUST GO OVER THE AGENDA INSTRUCTOR. 
          >> I WILL FORWARD OUR STANDING TIME, COMMISSIONER DAY, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU, IT'S USUALLY JUST 15 OR 20 MINUTES AND WE GO OVER. 
          HERE'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. 
          HERE'S THE STICKY PART OF IT. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING STICKY, HERE'S HOW MANY COMMENTERS WE EXPECT OR IT WAS POSTED ON TIME, 
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BUT NO ONE'S GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH US. 
          JUST THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION SHARED WITH THE CHAIR AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT THEY HAVE A GAME PLAN TO HELP EVERYTHING GO WELL. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO BE GONE THE WEEK OFF BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY IN EUROPE FOR THE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THAT MEETING. 
          I WILL BE UNAVAILABLE TO DO THAT PREPARATION. 
          >> WOULD IT BE BETTER THEN TO HAVE JORDAN AND MARK SET UP A TIME WITH YOU FOR, LET'S SEE, WHAT WOULD THE DAY BE? FOR THE 19TH? 
          >> IS THAT THAT MONDAY? 
          >> IT'S MONDAY, THE 19TH. WHEN YOU GET BACK AND I COULD EVEN MEET IN PERSON OR I'M ONLY GONE CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK, IT JUST HAPPENS TO LAND ON THESE MEETINGS. 
          WHATEVER IS MORE CONVENIENT FOR MARK AND JORDAN, I CAN MAKE HAPPEN IN THE DAYS THOSE COUPLE OF DAYS LEADING UP TO IT. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. DOES THE CITY OBSERVE JUNETEENTH? 
          >> YES. IN A WAY? [LAUGHTER] 
          >> BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT'S JUNE 19TH THIS YEAR. 
          >> I HAVE NOT HEARD IF IT'S A DAY OFF FOR US OR NOT. 
          WE DO HAVE A FLOATING HOLIDAY AND I DO KNOW IT'S A FEDERAL HOLIDAY AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BANK HOLIDAY. 
          WE OFTEN HAVE THOSE DAYS OFF, BUT I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CLARITY ON THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          MAYBE WE WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CLERK. 
          THE CLERK USUALLY KNOWS THAT THING. 
          BUT THEY CAN MEET ON THE 20TH TOO. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WE TRY AND MAKE SURE THE CHAIRS GOT THEIR MEETING MANAGEMENT ABILITIES SET UP AND THEY'RE NOT WALKING IN, FEELING UNPREPARED. 
          JUST [INAUDIBLE]. 
          >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE WORK. 
          >> I'LL TRY TO GET STAFF REPORTS DONE IMMEDIATELY THE NEXT DAY AFTER DUE DATES. 
          THAT'LL HELP AS WELL. 
          THANKS FOR TOLERATING ME. 
          I STILL FEEL LIKE I'M DRIVING FROM SILVERTON, COLORADO AFTER FIXING A WATER LEAK IN DRIVING ACROSS THE NATION. 
          I PUT A FEW SENTENCES TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU FOR TOLERATING ME. 
          >> WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DAY FOR YOUR TAKING OVER THIS ROLE NEXT MONTH. 
          >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? 
          >> THEN, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 6:19 PM, I CONCLUDE THIS MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON MAY 17, 2023. 
          I REALLY WANT TO BRING THIS GAVEL TO END THIS MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.