[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

IT IS WEDNESDAY, JULY 19TH, 2023.

THE TIME IS 4:01 P.M.

I WILL NOW READ THE NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ARS 38 430 102 NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS REGULAR MEETING THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY ITEM LISTED IN THE FOLLOWING AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS 38 430 103.

AND NOW WE CAN DO ROLL CALL.

. THANK YOU. I'LL REMIND EVERYONE TO MAKE SURE YOU HOLD YOUR BUTTON DOWN AND MAKE SURE YOUR CHIN IS FACING YOUR MICROPHONE.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

AND NOW AMY HORN IS GOING TO DO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAIN, SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

THE NEXT ITEM IS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY DUE TO OPEN MEETING LAWS.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR ACT ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.

TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE WAIT FOR THE CHAIR TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME THE ITEM IS HEARD.

AND THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the May 17, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission.]

APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 17TH, 2023.

HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? DO WE? ALL SECOND.

OKAY. THE MOTION IS APPROVED FOR THE MINUTES OF MAY 17TH.

YOU STILL HAVE TO CALL A VOTE, COMMISSIONER? HOW DO I DO THAT? SO YOU HAD A FIRST AND A SECOND.

AND I SAY ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL IN FAVOR. AYE.

OKAY. THE MOTION IS APPROVED.

OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM SIX.

[A. Facade Grant - Mid-Century Modern DeChambre/Geib PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 1625 N Sunset Dr. Flagstaff Assessor's Parcel Number: 11006001 Property Owner: Claire DeChambre & Nicholas Geib Applicant: Nicolas Geib City Staff: Mark Reavis HPO REQUESTED ACTION: By Claire DeChambre & Nicolas Geib owners of a mid-century modern home have requested a $10,000 Historic Facade Matching Grant for an estimated $39,000 façade rehabilitation project to accurately restore modified changes to the home. Work includes use of materials specific to mid-century architecture. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Recommended Motion: Approve a historic facade grant with an allocation of $10,000 to be awarded to Clarire DeChambre & Nicholas Geib for preservation, restoration and rehabilitation work on a mid-century modern home located at 1625 N Sunset Dr Flagstaff AZ. ]

CAN WE CHANGE THAT? SIX A TO SIX B, YOU SAID.

I THINK MR. GIBB, WHO'S THE APPLICANT FOR SIX A HAS ARRIVED.

OH, HE HAS ARRIVED. OKAY, THEN WE'LL JUST CONTINUE AS SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA.

AND MARK HAS A PRESENTATION FOR US.

COMMISSIONERS CHAIRMAN.

WE'VE GOT TWO UNIQUE GRANT APPLICATIONS, BOTH VERY DIFFERENT, VERY UNIQUE, AND I THINK KIND OF REPRESENT THE VARIETY OF WHAT HAPPENS IN FLAGSTAFF.

WE HAVE A MID-CENTURY MODERN WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE LEFT.

A LOT OF THEM HAVE LOST THEIR INTEGRITY.

THIS HOUSE AT 1625 NORTH SUNSET DRIVE IS A PRETTY UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT.

UNIQUE MATERIALS.

AND ALSO IT IS PLACED ON THE SITE IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.

IT FACES THE STREET ON AN ANGLED AREA.

I THINK IT'S A HIGH LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK THOSE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE, THAT REPLACED SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING WINDOWS AND SIDING.

AND HE HAS MANAGED TO FIND A MATERIAL THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE FOR DECADES.

I THINK YOU'D RECOGNIZE THAT COMBED SIDING, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE.

SO I DID DO A LITTLE MEMO REPORT ON THIS.

I DID THROW IN SOME PICTURES AND I GUESS I'D LIKE THE OWNER TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHY HE'S DOING

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THIS HIGH QUALITY RESTORATION AND BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND.

WHERE YOU LIVE. HI THERE.

MY NAME IS NICK GEIB.

I LIVE AT THE HOUSE 1625 NORTH SUNSET.

I GREW UP IN FLAGSTAFF ACTUALLY IN COCONINO ESTATES, JUST DOWN THE STREET.

IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT UP THE HILL FROM WHERE OUR HOUSE IS NOW AND BOUGHT THIS HOUSE IN 2017 AND IT WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, BUT A LOT OF THINGS HADN'T BEEN CHANGED AND WAS DRAWN IN BY THAT.

THERE'S STILL TONS OF UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE AND UNIQUE ASPECTS TO IT THAT.

I FELL IN LOVE WITH, INCLUDING SOME OF THE SIDING AND THE WINDOWS AND IT JUST FELT.

A SPECIAL FOR FLAGSTAFF.

SOME THINGS DIDN'T FIT.

AND AS I DID MORE RESEARCH, INCLUDING HAVING A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS WHICH NEIGHBORS BROUGHT OVER A LOT OF THE BLUEPRINTS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS EITHER KNEW THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.

BUT ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS BROUGHT OVER A BUNCH OF ORIGINAL BLUEPRINTS AND WE HAVE THEM FRAMED NOW.

AND I GUESS THAT KIND OF FELL IN LOVE WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

AND AT SOME POINT, I THINK IN THE 70S OR 80S, THEY CHANGED CERTAIN THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO.

CHANGE BACK.

AS WELL AS LOTS OF THINGS HAVE GONE INTO DISREPAIR, MOSTLY THE SIDING.

A LOT OF THE BOARD OF BATTEN.

I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN WORKED ON IN 40 YEARS.

IT'S JUST LOOKING BAD. SO WE'RE TRYING TO UPKEEP IT IN GENERAL, MAKE IT LOOK.

JUST JUST BRING IT UP TO THE LEVEL YOU'D WANT IT TO BE AT AND AT THE SAME TIME, RESTORE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.

AND IN PARTICULAR IN THIS GRANT WAS THESE ALUMINUM SLIDER WINDOWS THAT WERE PUT IN.

WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THEM WITH THE ORIGINAL STEEL CASEMENTS.

AND THE SPECIAL SIGHTING.

THERE'S AN UPPER PORTION OF THE HOUSE WHERE THEY REPLACED THIS SIGHTING WITH BOARD AND BATTEN TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME IN THE 70S, THEY WEREN'T MAKING THIS SIGHTING ANYMORE.

AND IN 2010, A COMPANY STARTED MAKING THIS SIGHTING AGAIN.

THERE'S ONE COMPANY DOING IT OUT OF CALIFORNIA.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO.

REPLACE WHERE NEEDED THAT CITING WHILE SOMEONE'S STILL MAKING IT.

YEAH, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? HOORAY. YEAH.

I HAVE THIS PRESERVATION BRIEF INFORMATION FOR YOU ON THE REPAIR AND THERMAL UPGRADING OF HISTORIC STEEL WINDOWS WITH THE CITATION FOR YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR.

THAT'S THE PART WE WANT TO REPAIR.

WE STILL HAVE SOME AND WE'D LIKE TO REPAIR.

IT MAY BE YOU CAN ONLY FIND DAMAGED ONES THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO REPAIR TO REPLACE.

SO THAT MAY BE USEFUL FOR YOU.

IT'S THAT COINCIDING IS REALLY GOOD LOOKING AND IT JUST SCREAMS MID-CENTURY MODERN.

I JUST LOVE IT.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS OVERMATCHED CONSIDERABLY.

HE IS REQUESTING $10,000 FACADE GRANT FOR THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THIS OR A MOTION TO APPROVE? DO I HAVE TO? DO I HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THE RECOMMENDED AND THE REQUESTED FOR EVERYBODY? RECOMMENDED. JUST READ THE RECOMMENDED.

OKAY. WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION CAN READ OR MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED MOTION.

OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? OUR RECOMMENDATION.

I MOVE TO APPROVE A HISTORIC FACADE GRANT WITH AN ALLOCATION OF $10,000 TO BE AWARDED TO CLAIRE DUCHARME AND NICHOLAS GEIB FOR PRESERVATION, RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION WORK ON A MID-CENTURY MODERN HOME LOCATED AT 1625 NORTH SUNSET DRIVE IN FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA.

I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION APPROVED.

WELL, ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE OR.

I THINK SO. OKAY, SO ITEM B.

[B. Valdivia - Facade re-stucco PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 416 S San Francisco Assessor's Parcel Number: Property Owner: Enrique Valdivia Applicant: Valdivia City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Enrique Valdicia owner of the building has requested a $5,000 Historic Facade Matching Grant for an estimated $10,000 primary façade rehabilitation project. Re-Stucco Primary Façade. The building is contributing to the Southside National Register District. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Enrique Valdicia owner of the building has requested a $5,000 Historic Facade Matching Grant for an estimated $10,000 primary façade rehabilitation project. Re-Stucco Primary Façade. The building is contributing to the Southside National Register District. ]

FOR THE 416 SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO PROPERTY.

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SO WE GO FROM A HIGH END, ARCHITECTURALLY DESIGNED PROJECT TO A VERNACULAR THAT FITS JUST WONDERFULLY INTO THE SOUTH SIDE DISTRICT IS CONTRIBUTING.

BUILDING WAS BUILT BY THE APPLICANT'S FATHER AND IT IS A STONE BUILDING WITH A STRUCTURE ON THE TOP.

I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE IT, BUT IT'S SO VERNACULAR.

IT'S SO MUCH A PART OF THE SOUTH SIDE BEING BUILT WITH STONE MATERIALS.

THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WERE SURROUNDED BY ALL THIS ACTIVITY AND BUSINESS, IT JUST REALLY REPRESENTS A REALLY NEAT BUILDING IN THE AREA.

THE FRONT FACADE STUCCO HAS FAILED.

THE REASON THE APPLICANT CONTACTED ME BECAUSE A SIGN SHOWED UP KINGDOM HALL.

SO THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ACTUALLY MET ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THIS BUILDING.

SO NOT A GOOD ENOUGH CONDITION OF THE SIGN TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AS A UNIQUE SIGN.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PURSUE SOME ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND INTERPRETATION OF THAT FACT THAT IT WAS THE KINGDOM HALL AND THAT IT WAS THE FIRST CHURCH FOR THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH IS UNIQUE CONSIDERING THE ETHNIC MAKEUP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE OWNER.

SO THE [INAUDIBLE], THE FRONT, THE OTHER STUFF IS INTACT.

THE RE STUCCO IN THE FRONT IS APPROXIMATELY A $10,000 PROJECT.

I ADDED A LITTLE MORE FROM THE ESTIMATE FOR PAINTING, AND SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A MATCHING GRANT OF $5,000 FOR THAT PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT VERY MUCH UNDERSTANDS THE SOUTH SIDE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR FAMILY HISTORY AND YOUR BUILDING, THAT'D BE GREAT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M NOT AS GOOD A TALKER AS HE IS.

SO. ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE OR IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A.

I JUST. I WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN THIS MORNING.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, LIKE HE SAID, THIS WAS BUILT BY MY FATHER.

AND HE WAS BUILT.

HE WAS BORN HERE IN FLAGSTAFF BEFORE ARIZONA WAS A STATE.

AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT EARLY TO MID 40S.

AND WE LIVED IN A UNIT STARTING ABOUT 1945 BECAUSE I REMEMBER I HAD TO BE 4 OR 5 YEARS OLD, MY MOM WOULD TAKE ME AND MY BROTHERS AND SIT US DOWN WHEN THEY WERE HAVING SERVICES DOWNSTAIRS SO WE WOULDN'T MAKE ANY NOISE.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WENT ON IN THERE.

WAS MY DAD BUILT THE LITTLE SMALL RIFLE RANGE IN THAT BUILDING.

IT'S A BIG BUILDING.

GOT A SAND PILE ON ONE END WHICH USED SAND TO MAKE CEMENT.

THE BUILDING WAS BUILT LIKE THIS.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE A STORE BUT COULDN'T GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND IT WAS ALL MADE OUT OF KNOTTY PINE TONGUE AND GROOVE, CEILINGS, FLOOR WALLS, EVERYTHING.

AND A LOT OF IT STILL EXISTS.

AND THAT BUILDING.

ON. STAIRWELLS.

THE UPSTAIRS ROOMS. THE BEDROOMS. THE HALLWAYS ARE ALL IT IS.

KNOTTY PINE AND TONGUE GROOVE.

AND AS THE YEARS WENT BY.

IT WAS A KARATE SHOP AT ONE TIME.

MY SON OPENED A KARATE SHOP DOWNSTAIRS AND THERE WAS AN ART STUDIO THERE AT ONE TIME.

IN 1978, MY SON TOM STARTED REPAIRS.

AND I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO FIX THE OUTSIDE FIRST AND DOESN'T LEAK AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SAVE THE BUILDING.

SO HE DID.

AND THEN.

WENT UP THERE AND WE BOUGHT THE PAINT.

THEY PAINTED THE BUILDING.

A FEW MONTHS LATER.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE RAIN.

WHAT? KIND OF WASHED AWAY.

AND YOU COULD SEE THE WORDS KINGDOM HALL COMING OUT THROUGH THE PAINT.

SO I WAS TOLD ABOUT IT.

SO WE WENT OUT THERE AND BOUGHT BETTER PAINT.

I HAD IT PAINTED.

OH, THIS TIME IT WAS ABOUT 7 OR 8 MONTHS.

A YEAR LATER, SAME THING.

THE WORDS KINGDOM HALL WAS COMING THROUGH THE PAINT.

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THIRD TIME WE PAINTED THE SAME THING.

THEN I DECIDED, WELL, WE BETTER PLASTER IT.

WELL. A YEAR AGO.

I KNOW. NOT A YEAR AGO THIS PAST YEAR.

WE HAD SOME BAD WINDS, HAIL, RAIN AND EVERYTHING, AND IT FOUND LITTLE CRACKS IN THE PLASTER AND IT GOT IN THERE.

FROZE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT PICTURES OF IT.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE STARTED WORKING THE PLASTER.

AND SO I WENT DOWN THERE AND I WAS CHECKING THE WORKERS AND EVERYTHING, AND BY GOD.

KINGDOM HALL AGAIN.

YOU KNOW. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR THE SOUTH SIDE THERE IN THAT AREA.

AT ONE TIME THERE WAS TWO STORES JUST DOWN THE STREET AT THE CORNER AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COLLEGE, RIGHT ON THE CORNER.

THERE'S A LITTLE CHURCH THERE NOW.

THERE USED TO BE OWNED BY MR. BARRERA'S. AND NEXT HALF A BLOCK DOWN WAS.

ANOTHER SMALL STORE, AND THAT WAS PEDRO MARIN.

AND THEN ANOTHER HALF A BLOCK DOWN THERE WAS A LITTLE DINER.

I MEAN, IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 25FT WIDE.

ARE OWNED BY THE GALLEGOS FAMILY.

AND THEN THERE WAS A STORE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THERE WAS A LOT OF STORES AT THAT TIME.

I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE GOT BY SOMETIMES.

AND THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CONTRERAS.

AND THEN SOUTH SIDE MARKET.

THE BUILDING IS STILL THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW.

UH, IT WAS OWNED BY MARY AND JOE, AND THERE WAS A BAR.

EVERYBODY'S MARKET.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF MARKETS CLOSE BY.

AND THEN GET TO THE WESTERN LIQUOR.

WHICH IS ON THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHERE THE WESTERN LIQUOR WAS.

IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER AS SOON AS YOU CROSS THE TRACKS.

ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

UH, JUDGE OTERO, IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T EVER MET HIM, HE'S A THAT'S A GOOD FAMILY.

THAT WAS HIS DAD THAT HAD THAT STORE.

BUT WHEN THE DAD PASSED AWAY, THE JUDGE TOOK OVER BECAUSE HE RETIRED FROM BEING A JUDGE.

BUT. RESTAURANTS RIGHT ACROSS FROM 416.

THERE USED TO BE EL SOMBRERO.

WHICH WAS OWNED BY THE CASTRO FAMILY.

I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF RAUL CASTRO.

IT USED TO BE THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA.

HIS FAMILY OWNED THAT AND HIS BROTHER WAS A TEACHER AT SOUTH BEAVER ERNEST AND FAMILY THING.

THEY I GUESS THEY RAN IT TILL THEY DIDN'T WANT TO RUN IT NO MORE.

THEY GOT OLD AND RETIRED OR PASSED AWAY.

AND THEN THAT CAME TO BE CALLED EL CHARRO, WHICH WAS VERY POPULAR PLACE.

THEY ALWAYS HAD MUSICIANS THERE AND EVERYTHING.

AND THAT THAT WAS GILBERT AND.

CARLA MONTOYA.

I KNEW ALL THESE PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I GOT TO KNOW THEM, EVEN THE OLDER ONES.

BUT IT'S CHANGED 2 OR 4 TIMES IN THE PAST 2 OR 3 YEARS.

WE WENT FROM A KIND OF CALM MUSIC, MAKING FOOD AND EVER CALM.

BUT LATELY, ALL I'VE HEARD IS COMPLAINTS.

THEY PLAY MUSIC REAL LOUD AND.

UH, LATE AT NIGHT.

BUT ANYWAY. CHURCHES THAT WAS ON THE CORNER OF FOUR SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO STREET FROM OUR HOUSE.

IS AS A BLACK CHURCH.

AND THEY CALL IT.

BLACK CHAMPIONS NOW.

WELL, WHAT I USED TO DO WHEN I WAS A KID, NOT VERY OFTEN, BECAUSE I USED TO GET WHACKED.

THEY'D SEND ME TO CHURCH AND I'D GO AROUND THERE AND HIDE BECAUSE I USED TO LIKE THEIR MUSIC.

I'D SIT ON THE FENCE. THERE WAS MY AUNT'S HOUSE AND UNCLE'S HOUSE AND THE CHURCH, AND THERE WAS A FENCE BETWEEN THEM.

AND I'D SIT ON THAT FENCE AND JUST LISTEN TO THE MUSIC.

I GOT CAUGHT, YOU KNOW, NO MORE BECAUSE WE ATTENDED THE MEXICAN METHODIST CHURCH.

ANOTHER HALF BLOCK UP.

YOU KNOW. AND PLUS THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THREE CHURCHES IN THAT SMALL AREA.

AND I DID GO TO THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND I TOLD THEM WHAT I'D FOUND THERE.

WHEN I STOPPED THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE BUILDING.

AND. NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THAT BUILDING.

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NOT EVEN THE WINDOW PANES.

THERE'S A COUPLE THAT GOT BROKE AND I CHANGED THEM OVER, BUT I KEPT A WOODEN PAIN TO GO AROUND THEM.

AND I TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING ORIGINAL.

SO DID MY SON.

AND HE'S GOT PICTURES OF THE VALDIVIA FAMILY.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY MOM AND DAD ARE FAMILY AND SO FORTH DOWN THE DOWN THE LINE.

AND I WAS QUITE SURPRISED THAT HE EVEN FOUND THOSE PICTURES.

BECAUSE THEY TELL A LOT.

AND. ANYWAY, THERE'S NOTHING BEEN CHANGED.

NOT EVEN THE STAIRS.

THEY'VE BEEN WELL PROTECTED.

THEY WERE INSIDE.

YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH A DOOR TO GET INSIDE AND GO UP THE STAIRWELL.

BUT EVERYTHING HAS STAYED ORIGINAL.

WE KEPT AS MUCH OF IT AS ORIGINAL AS WE COULD.

AND OF COURSE, WE'VE CHANGED THE BATHROOMS, SHOWERS AND SO FORTH, KITCHENS, WATER HEATERS.

THE UPGRADED THINGS FOR PEOPLE'S COMFORT.

AND I THINK THAT'S I CAN TELL YOU ON AND ON ABOUT IT, ABOUT THAT PLACE.

I EVEN TOOK PICTURES.

I WENT DOWN THERE AND I LOOKED AROUND.

I TOOK PICTURES OF ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE WAS THIS BIG TWO STORY BUILDING.

RIGHT? MY GRANDFATHER BUILT IT.

NEXT TO IT IS.

A DUPLEX HE BUILT IN THE BACK.

HE BUILT APARTMENTS.

AND ONE CORNER HAD A BAKERY.

MY GRANDMOTHER AND MY AUNT USED TO WORK AT THE BAKERY DURING THE DAY WHILE THEY WENT TO WORK AT THE SMALL MILL.

AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY ON THAT PART OF TOWN.

A LOT. PEOPLE JUST AIN'T LOOKING AROUND, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IDALIA MUNOZ INTERVIEW YOU.

PARDON ME? DID DELIA MUNOZ INTERVIEW YOU? SYMBIOSE. THAT MIGHT BE HER MAIDEN NAME.

NO, I KNOW THEY'RE QUITE INVOLVED WITH THE.

I USED TO HANG AROUND WITH MY SISTER.

THEY'RE NOW IN THEIR 60S.

DID SHE INTERVIEW YOU? I KNEW. I KNEW HER DAD, AND I KNEW HER.

AND I KNEW HER BROTHER.

HER DAD'S NICKNAME WAS TARZAN.

BECAUSE HE WORKED AT THE MILL TOO.

MOST PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THE MILL WORKED FOR MY DAD AND MY GRANDFATHER.

THEY WERE FOREMEN AT THE MILLS WHEN THEY WERE HERE.

AND WHEN MY GRANDFATHER RETIRED AND DECIDED TO TAKE THE WHOLE FAMILY TO CALIFORNIA, THEY ALL WENT EXCEPT MY DAD.

AND HE TOOK OVER AS FOREMAN.

AND TARZAN, MY FATHER.

AND THEY WILL ONLY LIVE THREE BLOCKS AWAY.

AND TARZAN USED TO WALK AROUND LIKE THIS.

I KNOW. THAT'S WHY THEY CALL THEM TARS.

YEAH, I KNOW. NO, NOBODY'S EVER INTERVIEWED ME.

AND SHE KNOWS ME.

DELEON ANNOYS ME BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN THAT FAMILY ALL MY LIFE.

WE GREW TOGETHER. ANYBODY IN THE SOUTH SIDE.

THEY KNEW EACH OTHER BECAUSE IF THERE WAS A TO US, IF THERE WAS A GUY IN THERE IN THAT FAMILY OUR AGE.

WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU GET OUT OF SCHOOL? YOU PLAY FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL OR SOMETHING, AND YOU GOT TO GET WHOEVER YOU CAN.

THERE WASN'T THAT MANY KIDS.

COME ON.

PLAY BALL. AND WE MAKE OUR OWN FIELDS.

WE EVEN GOT TO UP TO PLAYING TACKLE.

ON THE CINDERS AND THE DIRT.

THERE WAS NO GRASS FIELDS OUT THERE FOR US.

AND JUST LIKE THE FOOTBALL FIELD WHERE THE FIRST FOOTBALL FIELD WAS, DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE THAT WAS? CROSS FROM THE SOUTH BEAVER SCHOOL.

NOW THAT BIG BUILDING.

THAT'S THE FIRST FOOTBALL FIELD FLAGSTAFF WAS.

I'VE GOT A SCAR ON MY HAND THAT I GOT OFF OF THE.

WOODEN BENCHES THEY HAD.

OKAY. THE NEXT FOOTBALL FIELD WAS.

OR SAN FRANCISCO STREET ENDS.

INTO THE ENTRANCE TO THE COLLEGE.

THE NEXT FOOTBALL FIELD WAS TO THE LEFT THERE AS YOU WENT IN.

IT SITS TO THE LEFT, RIGHT UP THERE.

THEY HAVE RAISED.

WHAT DO YOU CALL RUNNING RACE? WHATEVER. THEY HAVE SPORTS EVENTS OUT THERE.

THEN THE THIRD ONE WAS GORDO.

AND ALSO YOU KNEW EVERYBODY DOWN THERE.

UH, IT WAS A SMALL COMMUNITY.

AND LIKE I SAID, MY DAD WAS.

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A FOREMAN. AND WHEN SOMEBODY DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK AND THEY WERE SICK OR SOMETHING, THEY GOT THE WORD TO THEM REAL QUICK THAT SOMEBODY WASN'T GOING TO COME IN BECAUSE THEY'RE SICK. HE'D COME HOME AT LUNCH AND TELL MY WIFE, OKAY, FIX A BOX FOR THIS AFTERNOON.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO SO-AND-SO.

OH MAN, THAT MEANT ME AND MY NEXT BROTHER.

A YOUNGER BROTHER WOULD HAVE TO GET DRESSED UP.

AND HERE WE GO WITH HIM.

YOU KNOW, HE'D GO AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD FOOD.

HE'D MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE OKAY.

HE TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF HIS PEOPLE.

WHICH. IN TURN.

I DID THAT.

AND I HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.

BOTH IN THE MILITARY.

AND ON THE STATE SIDE.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY PEOPLE DOESN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM.

IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? GIVE HIM A CALL. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE HIM A BOX OF FOOD.

BUT HE'S GOING TO GET A CALL OR A VISIT FROM ME OR I'LL SEND SOMEBODY TO GO VISIT HIM.

AND. ON THE MILITARY SIDE? WELL, I HAD CONTROL OVER THEM.

I WAS THE FIRST SERGEANT THERE, AND I HAD.

3 OR 400 PEOPLE UNDER ME.

AND. I KNEW WHERE EVERYBODY WAS EVERY DAY.

SO I TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND I GOT THAT FROM MY DAD AND MY MOM.

BUT ANYWAY, NO, HE NEVER CONTACTED ME.

I SEE THE WRITE UP SHE GETS.

I SEE EVERYTHING THAT SHE WRITES ABOUT AND I SEE.

ALL THE PEOPLE SHE INTERVIEWS.

I MISSED THAT GET TOGETHER FOR SOUTH BEAVER.

I NEVER EVEN KNEW IT HAD HAPPENED.

I WENT TO THE LAST ONE AND I SAW THE FORMER.

COUNCIL MEMBER THEODOSIUS AT THAT ONE TOOK PICTURES WITH HIM.

I'VE KNOWN HIM FOREVER TO OTHER PEOPLE.

I SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

A LOT OF THEM ARE GONE.

BUT IT HAPPENS. THAT'S LIFE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING. WHERE DO I GO? DRINK BEER. I DON'T DRINK.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY.

THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING PART OF FLAG'S HISTORY THAT WE DON'T HEAR VERY OFTEN.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS JUST WHAT'S THE BUILDING USED FOR NOW AND WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR IT? THE BUILDING. I USE IT TO HELP PEOPLE.

I HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN AND OUT LIKE.

VETERANS THAT HAVE NO PLACE TO STAY.

THERE'S A CATHOLIC WAR VETERAN.

NO CATHOLIC SOCIAL SERVICES.

I WORK WITH JOE GOITIA.

THEY CAN'T PAY THE KIND OF RENT I COULD GET FOR THOSE PLACES, YOU KNOW? THAT. AND THEN.

THERE'S ANOTHER.

THAT HELPS WOMEN.

AND I THINK THERE ARE SHOPS ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.

I TRY TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWN.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO GOUGE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THOSE PLACES I GOT DOWN THERE ARE WELL WORTH SIX, SEVEN, $8,000 A MONTH.

IF I'M GETTING $2,000.

$3,000, THAT'S A LOT.

YOU KNOW, IF I WAS DOING IT FOR THE MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.

AND AS FAR AS THIS THING THAT HE'S REQUESTING, I DID GO TO THE CHURCH.

I DID GO TO THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS WHEN I SAW THE PLASTER FALLING OFF.

I TOLD HIM, HERE, LOOK AT THE PICTURES I TOOK.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE WAS ONE MEMBER THAT I'D BEEN TELLING FOR YEARS WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH THAT PLASTER.

HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME.

I TOLD HIM THAT WAS YOUR FIRST CHURCH IN TOWN.

YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FIRST CHURCH IN THAT TOWN.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE SERVICES.

THEY HAD SERVICES IN THIS GUY'S HOUSE, THAT GUY'S HOUSE, WHATEVER.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THEIR FIRST CHURCH AND THEY WERE ALL EXCITED ABOUT IT.

IT WAS ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE IN THERE AND I SHOWED THEM THE PICTURES ON MY CAMERA.

I MEAN, MY PHONE.

OH, YOU KNOW.

SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

BE MY GUEST. I WENT HOME NEXT DAY.

I'M GETTING ALL KINDS OF PHONE CALLS AT THE HOUSE.

HE SAID, WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN HERE? THERE'S 20, 30 PEOPLE OVER HERE TAKING PICTURES OF THE BUILDING.

ARE YOU SELLING? I SAID, NO.

I'LL BE DOWN THERE IN A MINUTE.

SO I DROVE DOWN THERE AND.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. PEOPLE FROM THE CHURCH TAKING PICTURES.

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AND I DID CALL HIM AGAIN.

I TOLD HIM I WANT TO COVER IT WITH PLASTER.

YOU GUYS WANT TO DO SOMETHING? SO THAT WE CAN KEEP IT.

AND NOBODY EVER GOT BACK TO ME.

BUT AFTER I TALKED TO HIM, I THOUGHT, WELL, IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T HELP, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR IT.

I'M GOING TO. HAVE THEM PUT THE THING AROUND THAT THING AND IT'LL BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

ANYTHING ELSE? YES, MA'AM.

WOULD YOU BE? I'M FASCINATED BY THE MASONRY WORK IN TOWN, AND IT'S AS THOUGH THE MORTAR IS SIGNATURES OF INDIVIDUAL MASONS. THE STYLE OF THE MORTAR.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO DID WHAT? MASONRY WORK? I CAN'T HEAR VERY WELL.

MA'AM, YOU HAVE TO YELL AT ME.

WHO DID THE MASONRY WORK? IT WAS YOUR DAD, RIGHT? HE BUILT BACK THEN? YEAH, THEY DID THAT.

DID ALL THE MASONRY, ALL THE ROCK.

YOU DID ALL THE WORK. WELL, I'M WONDERING ABOUT ALL OVER TOWN.

ALL OVER TOWN. THE MORTAR IS DIFFERENT STYLES IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

I DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T KNOW? DID YOU TAKE PICTURES OF THE SIDE? YEAH, I DID. OKAY.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S GOT.

LIKE. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? ROCK. SANDSTONE.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SANDSTONE, RIGHT? BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PLASTER.

THOSE GUYS WERE GOOD AT WHAT THEY DID BACK THEN, OKAY.

THEY PLASTERED IT.

THEY PUT THE WIRE DOWN AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY PLASTERED IT WITH BLACK PLASTER.

AND THEY TOOK THAT COLOR AND PLASTERED OVER THAT, TOO.

THEN HE TOOK A STRIKER.

STRIKE A LINE.

AND MADE THE LINES ON IT, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SANDSTONE.

BUT THOSE GUYS ARE RETIRED.

ONE GUY. HE DOESN'T DO THAT KIND OF WORK.

BUT HE I THINK HE KIND OF HANDYMAN.

HE MANAGES CAMERON TRADING POST UP THERE.

HE DOES ALL THE WORK FOR TRADING POST.

YOU KNOW. TABLES, DOORS, REPAIRMEN AND EVERYTHING.

HE CAME BY THE HOUSE THE OTHER DAY AND WE WERE TALKING.

YEAH. HE COMES AND VISITS ME ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT HE CAN'T.

YOU CAN'T CLIMB LADDERS.

I DON'T WANT TO CLIMB ANY MORE LADDERS.

I DON'T YOU KNOW, HE JUST AN OLDER GUY LIKE ME, YOU KNOW, I JUST HAD A BIRTHDAY JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND I THOUGHT, WELL.

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

BUT HERE I AM, 80 YEARS OLD.

I'M GOING TO QUIT GOING UP ON THEM ROOFS AND DOING THIS AND THAT.

IT'S EASIER TO PAY SOMEBODY THAT'S YOUNGER.

HEY, THEM AND. BE DONE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.

WHETHER I GET ANY HELP FROM YOU OR NOT, IT'S GOING TO GET DONE.

I'VE WAITED FOR A MONTH NOW.

I HELD THAT CONTRACT BACK AND I TOLD HIM NEXT WEEKEND HE'S GOING TO START.

BUT I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO HELP.

IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR THE RECOMMENDED ACTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO GRANT TO ENRIQUE VALDEZIA, OWNER OF THE BUILDING AT 416 SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO.

THE REQUESTED $5,000 HISTORIC FACADE MATCHING GRANT FOR AN ESTIMATED $10,000 PRIMARY FACADE REHABILITATION PROJECT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY. AND ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

[A. Flagstaff Regional Plan 2045 Update Discussion only.]

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNDER GENERAL BUSINESS IS A FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN 2045 UPDATE, WHICH SARA IS GOING TO PRESENT FOR US. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M SARAH DECHTER.

I'M THE CONFERENCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

MOST OF THE TIME I SIT OVER THERE AS YOUR STAFF LIAISON FOR EACH PC.

BUT TODAY I'M PART OF A TEAM THAT'S GOING TO 21 DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE GIVING AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE FOR 2045.

SO WE'VE BEEN TO A VARIETY OF COMMISSIONS AND I THINK THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY WITH HERITAGE PRESERVATION.

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THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS IS BROKEN INTO FOUR PHASES.

FOR THE LAST 7 TO 8 MONTHS, WE'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING IN PHASE TWO OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT GOAL SETTING AND VISIONING AND VALUES.

AND WE ARE NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PART OF THIS PHASE TWO THAT WE CALL SCENARIO PLANNING, WHILE ALSO GETTING READY FOR PHASE THREE.

SO THE INTERESTING PART IS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE PLAN YET.

WE'VE REALLY BEEN GATHERING AND LISTENING, UNDERSTANDING OUR DATA, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS SET AS OUR PRIORITIES AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORKING TOWARDS AS WE GATHER THIS WORK AND GO FORWARD.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE FALL AND THE SPRING.

WE HAD 11 VISIONING WORKSHOPS AT 11 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE FALL.

THAT'S THE REGIONAL PLAN AREA IS MORE THAN JUST THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

IT INCLUDES SURROUNDING AREAS OF COCONINO COUNTY.

SO WE TRY TO HAVE A MEETING AT A DATE AND A TIME AND A LOCATION THAT COULD BE CONVENIENT FOR EVERYONE.

THE FOCUS OF THESE WORKSHOPS WAS REALLY FOR EXERCISES AND WE HAD INCLUDING ASSET MAPPING, CREATING KEY QUESTIONS FOR US TO MONITOR AND REALIZE AS WE WORK, CREATING A VISION STATEMENT AND ALSO JUST HAVING A PLACE TO TALK ABOUT OPEN ENDED CONCERNS THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY IN THE LONG TERM.

CONCURRENT WITH THAT, WE DID A VISIONING SURVEY THAT HAD ABOUT 126 RESPONSES.

SO FROM THAT FIRST ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT, WE HEARD THAT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IS THE TOP OF THE LIST AND THINGS PEOPLE WERE WANTING TO ENSURE WAS A CENTRAL VALUE. WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING OPTIONS, DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION, THE CHARACTER AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION OF THE COMMUNITY, AND CREATING ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE PLAN FOR BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY.

AS WE'VE MOVED FORWARD INTO SCENARIO PLANNING, WE'VE TAKEN THOSE LESSONS LEARNED INTO THIS PROCESS, AND WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF BUILD ANOTHER BRANCH OF WHAT IT TAKES TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND TO DO THIS, WE HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS WITH THE UNDERLYING SET OF SCENARIO PLANNING MODELING THAT'S BEING DONE BY OUR CONSULTANT CASCADIA PARTNERS.

WE'RE USING THE SOFTWARE URBAN FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS CALIBRATED PRETTY WELL TO THE WESTERN UNITED STATES.

IT BASICALLY ALLOWS US TO DO WHAT'S CALLED PAINTING OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF LAND USES AND CHANGES WE MIGHT SEE AS A COMMUNITY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND THEN GENERATING SOME GOOD SKETCH LEVEL ESTIMATES OF HOW DOING DIFFERENT THINGS MIGHT SHIFT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING IN THE COMMUNITY.

ONE OF OUR BIG LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE LAST REGIONAL PLAN WAS WE HAD SO MANY METRICS AND SO MANY GOALS AND POLICIES THAT WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE ON ANYTHING.

THINGS JUST KIND OF STAYED ON THE PATH THEY WERE ON.

AND THAT'S A REALLY KEY THING WE'RE KIND OF EXPLORING WITH THIS EXPLORATORY SCENARIO PLANNING SET.

SO IN THE WINTER WE STARTED BUILDING WHAT WE CALLED A BASE MODEL, WHICH WE ALSO CALL THE BUSINESS AS USUAL MODEL.

AND WE'VE HAD PUBLIC WORKSHOPS AND STARTED CREATING SCENARIO THEMES, GROWTH IDEAS, AND THEY'RE GETTING ORGANIZED TO BASICALLY START MODELING IN MID-AUGUST AND ACTUALLY GET INTO THE SOFTWARE WITH ALL THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND START CREATING THINGS THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE FUTURES FOR THE COMMUNITY OVERSEEING THIS PROCESS WITH US, OR AT LEAST GIVING US FEEDBACK AS STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT ARE WORKING AS A TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP, THE MEMBERS OF WHOM ARE LISTED HERE. THESE WERE BROUGHT TO THIS PROCESS, THESE INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THEIR EXPERTISE.

SO SOME OF THEM WORK FOR THE FOREST SERVICE OR WORK FOR NIU OR WORK FOR A BANK THAT DOES COMMERCIAL FINANCING.

SO THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF PROFESSIONAL LINK OR THEY ARE WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS A PARTICULAR BROAD REACH WITH A HARD TO REACH POPULATION SUCH AS NACURH, WHICH HAS BROAD REACH WITHIN THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY IN FLAGSTAFF, AND SEE THE NORTHERN ARIZONA INTERFAITH COUNCIL, WHICH HAS A BROAD REACH WITH MANY COMMUNITIES AND ESPECIALLY OUR SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITIES AND IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. SARA CAN I ASK A QUESTION? DO YOU HAVE BECAUSE HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS IN OUR ZONING CODE, DO YOU HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST ON THERE? I KNOW DAVID HAYWARD USED TO BE ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT HE'S AN ARCHITECT NOT.

SOMEONE WHO IS NECESSARILY FOCUSED ON PRESERVING FLAGSTAFF HISTORY.

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WE JUST HAD A GENTLEMAN HERE WHO FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT HIS FAMILY HISTORY AND HIS COMMUNITY.

SO IS THERE ANYONE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ON YOUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP? WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.

DAVID HAYWARD, HAVING BEEN THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS, WOULD HAVE BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE GOOD EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA.

CHRIS BARRETT ON THE COMMISSION OR ON THE COMMITTEE IS ALSO AN ARCHEOLOGIST, THOUGH HE PRIMARILY DOES GIS AND PLANNING WORK FOR THE FOREST SERVICE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO COVERS BOTH THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PROFESSIONAL WORK AND ALSO HANDS ON CONSTRUCTION OF HERITAGE PRESERVATION WORK.

YES, BUT IS THAT WHY DAVID HAYWARD IS ON THERE, OR IS IT BECAUSE HE'S AN ARCHITECT THERE? EVERYBODY ON THE TAG HAS MULTIPLE AREAS OF FOCUS AND EXPERTISE.

IF YOU IF WE SINGLE PEOPLE OUT AND SAY THIS PERSON'S ONLY WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THEM AS AN EXPERT IN X OR Y, THEN WE OFTEN END UP WITH 50 PEOPLE COMMITTEES.

SO WE DID TRY AND KEEP TWO PEOPLE WHO THAT'S PART OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL WORK PRIMARILY.

AND I CAN GO OVER THAT A LITTLE MORE IF YOU'D LIKE, AS WE TALK THROUGH THIS.

BUT THIS GROUP MEETS THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT SIX MEETINGS TOTAL.

THEY MEET IN A ZOOM SETTING.

PRIMARILY THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.

AND AFTER THEY'RE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL WATCH THE VIDEO AND THEY GO, HEY, I THINK THEY KIND OF DIDN'T TALK ABOUT RARE PLANTS.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE KIND OF RESOURCES WE WANT TO BE PROTECTING WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LAND USE.

SO THERE IS AN OPEN ENDED PORTION TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.

WE IT ALSO IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT THE POLICY MAKING GROUP THAT I HAVE EXPLAINED MORE WHY, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ADVISING ON THE TECHNICAL WORK AND THE MODELING PORTION OF IT.

SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF ISSUES THAT ARE SORT OF TOO FINE OF A DETAIL FOR SCENARIO PLANNING, AND WE WILL GET TO THEM IN PHASE THREE.

THEY'RE JUST NOT PART OF THESE BIG PHASE TWO QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER.

AND THEY DID COME UP OFTEN IN THE VISIONING AND GOAL SETTING INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM OTHER PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.

SO FOR SCENARIO PLANNING, WE DID 13 PUBLIC WORKSHOPS IN A THREE WEEK PERIOD.

AT THE END OF MARCH AND BEGINNING OF APRIL, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN SPRING BREAK AND EASTER BECAUSE THAT'S A NICE LITTLE WINDOW WHERE WE CAN GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE.

AND IT'S A GOOD SACRIFICE FOR LENT IF THAT'S YOUR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND.

SO WE HAD THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE BUILDING SOME MOMENTUM.

WE HAD 250, 285 PLUS PARTICIPANTS BECAUSE WE HAD SOME MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE JUST WALKED BY AND DIDN'T SIGN IN.

AND THERE WAS ONE MEETING WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET BUT THAT THOSE GROUPS PRODUCED 60 MAPS.

TEN COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS WERE REPRESENTED IN THAT PROCESS, AND THESE WORKSHOPS WERE UNIQUE BECAUSE THEY WERE GAMIFIED AND PURPOSEFULLY A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL THAN MAYBE EVERYONE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

WE DEFINITELY HEARD PEOPLE WERE LIKE, I'M READY TO TALK ABOUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS KIND OF FORCED EVERYONE TO LOOK UP ONE LEVEL OR FEW LEVELS SOMETIMES AND PLAY OUT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAN WE'D LIKE.

I THINK WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHAT WE OFTEN CALL BLUE SKY PLANNING, WHICH IS WE ASSUME THAT THERE'S A DESIRED FUTURE AND THERE'LL BE A WIGGLY PATH, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THERE. THIS KIND OF EXPLORATORY SCENARIO PLANNING ACTUALLY DOESN'T ASSUME THAT.

IT'S ASSUMES THAT THE FUTURE MAY HAVE SOME REALLY UNFAVORABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, EXTERNAL TO THE THINGS WE CONTROL AND ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO SAY IF WE'RE IN SOME OF THOSE UNFAVORABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE LOW INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING, WOULD WE MAKE DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY AND ASK PEOPLE TO REALLY PLAY IN THAT SPACE? AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRENDS WE'VE PICKED UP FROM THAT AND ARE INCORPORATING INTO HOW WE PULL TOGETHER SCENARIOS.

SO THIS IS THE KIND OF INPUT WE RECEIVED FROM SORT OF THOSE BRIGHT, COLORFUL GAMES, WHICH IS WE GOT A WHOLE PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF NOTES AND WRITE UPS AND THINGS PEOPLE MARKED ON THE MAPS, WHICH WE TURNED INTO THESE SPREADSHEETS SO WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT MAP WERE THEY ON, WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WERE THEY ASKED TO PLAY THE GAME IN.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE DIGITIZED DATA ON WHERE PEOPLE PLAYED CHIPS OR DREW NO GROWTH AREAS OR PUT FUTURE ROAD ACCESS.

AND THAT WAS ALL PROVIDED TO OUR CONSULTANT, WHICH IS NOW STARTING TO WORK AND DRAFT WHAT THE FUTURE SCENARIOS COULD LOOK LIKE.

SO SOME OF THE KEY MESSAGES WE HEARD IN THE SCENARIO PLANNING WAS THAT GROWTH, WHICH YOU CAN DEFINE A NUMBER OF WAYS

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IN CHANGES TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

THERE WAS BROAD SUPPORT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

THE THERE ARE PERIODS OF TIME IN PLANNING WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REALLY SEPARATING USES, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE NEAR A STORE AGAIN, WANT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE WALKABLE, WANT MORE AMENITIES AND SERVICES CLOSE TO THEM AND NOT HAVING TO ALWAYS DRIVE TO GET TO THOSE.

BUT THERE WAS BOTH ENCOURAGEMENT AND CAUTION THAT DENSITY IN ALL PARTS OF FLAGSTAFF SHOULD BE MANAGED AND THOUGHT THROUGH CAREFULLY, BOTH FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS AND THE SOCIAL IMPACTS.

TRANSPORTATION ALSO ESPECIALLY SUPPORT FOR MORE TRANSIT CONNECTIONS AND ROAD CONNECTIONS ACROSS FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS BOTH A PLEASANT CONSIDERATION AND A CHALLENGING ONE WHICH WAS BROADLY UNDERSTOOD.

PEOPLE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN PLAYING THIS GAME TO KIND OF SPEND SOME OF THEIR BUDGET TO DRAW ROADS OR DRAW TRANSIT LINES, AND PEOPLE WERE PRETTY HEAVILY INVESTING THERE, THOUGH THERE WAS ALSO KIND OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY PUT THEIR MONEY IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POT OR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING POT AND SAID, WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND MONEY THIS WAY.

AND ALL OF THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE MIGHT SIT TOGETHER AND WANT TO UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS.

THERE WAS VERY UNIVERSAL LAND PROTECTION.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PREVIOUS MAP IN SOME VERY SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.

MOUNT ELDEN AND THE DRY LAKE HILLS, THE SAN FRANCISCO PEAKS, SUNSET CRATER AND WALNUT CANYON, AND ALSO SOME OF BOTH THE OBSERVATORY MESA AND THE WESTERN AREA, WHICH HAS A BIG WILDLIFE CORRIDOR THAT ARIZONA GAME AND FISH HAS IDENTIFIED SORT OF ALONG THIS ROUTE.

SO THOSE WERE THE NATURAL AND CULTURAL ARCHEOLOGY RESOURCES THAT REALLY ARE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND WELL UNDERSTOOD.

SO FROM ALL THESE THINGS, THE ONLINE SURVEY, THE VISIONING WORKSHOPS, THE FACE, THE FUTURE WORKSHOPS, IT'S NOW BEEN OUR CONSULTANTS ROLE TO KIND OF MELD THESE INTO GROWTH IDEAS.

AND I KIND OF HAVE BEEN CAUTIONING THAT GROWTH IDEAS ARE NOT YET WRITTEN LIKE THEY WILL BE WHEN WE LOOK AT THEM IN A SCENARIO CHOOSING ENVIRONMENT LATER ON, THEY'RE KIND OF WRITTEN LIKE, HOW WOULD WE TELL AI TO BUILD THE CITY? LIKE, HOW WILL WE TELL THE COMPUTER WHAT WE WANT FLAGSTAFF TO LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS KIND OF CREATE SOMETHING IN THE COMPUTER.

WE GET THAT OUT AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THAT STORY KIND OF FITS TOGETHER.

SO THERE'S STORIES AND DATA THAT HAVE LIKE A REAL FEEDBACK LOOP IN THIS.

ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT USING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? ALL THE SOFTWARE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE SOME AI INCORPORATION INTO IT.

ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE STARTED THAT INSTANTANEOUSLY.

IT'S NOT INTELLIGENCE, IT'S ARTIFICIAL.

TAKE THAT TO HEART.

IT IS. BUT MANY OF THESE ARE WELL CALIBRATED ON RESEARCH AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S WELL UNDERSTOOD CAUSAL RELATIONSHIPS AND THAT THOSE ARE MY COMMUNITY AND I DON'T WANT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO BE MAKING POLICY.

WELL, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

IT'S NOT MAKING POLICY.

IT'S HELPING US UNDERSTAND HOW CHOICES CAN PLAY OUT DIFFERENTLY.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING YET THAT'S WRITTEN A SINGLE WORD OF POLICY.

SO THE GROWTH IDEAS BASICALLY BECOME SCENARIOS.

THE HUMANS IN THIS ARE GOING TO COMBINE THESE THINGS TO PULL TOGETHER LIKE WHAT ARE THE FUTURES? WE COULD BE SEEING THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DONE.

I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE BUSINESS AS USUAL.

SO WHAT IF WE JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING? WE SORT OF HAVE MEDIUM GROWTH AND WE KEEP KIND OF GROWING THE WAY THE COMMUNITY IS CURRENTLY ZONED.

WE DON'T INCENTIVIZE ANY PARTICULAR AREA.

WE JUST SORT OF LET THE GROWTH SPREAD OUT WHERE IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE THAT'S SORT OF THE PATTERN WE'VE SEEN OF THE LAST 15 YEARS.

AND IT ACTUALLY SHOWS US A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE.

SO FOR INSTANCE, CONTINUING WITH THAT PATTERN INCREASES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN FLAGSTAFF AND LIVE ELSEWHERE.

SO WE BY 2045, WE HIT THE TIPPING POINT THAT BOULDER AND MANY OTHER AMENITY COMMUNITIES HAVE, WHERE MORE THAN 50% OF OUR WORKFORCE IS COMMUTING INTO FLAGSTAFF FROM OUTSIDE THE REGION.

THAT'S NOT A VERY POSITIVE TREND TO KIND OF HAVE THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN DOING THINGS MIGHT YIELD DIFFERENT RESULTS AS TIME AND TRENDS MOVE ALONG.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DOES HAPPEN, TOO, IN THE BUSINESS AS USUAL SCENARIO IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO BUILD ALL THE HOUSING THAT'S NEEDED.

AND SO COSTS CONTINUE TO GO UP AND BASICALLY THERE'S NO LONGER WORKING CLASS OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO WE HAVE A SEDONA PROBLEM TOO.

SO WE START HAVING A BOULDER PROBLEM.

WE START HAVING A SEDONA PROBLEM.

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ECONOMISTS FROM HEADWATERS ECONOMICS HAVE LATELY CALLED THIS THE AMENITY TRAP.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WE LOOK AT OTHER SCENARIOS IS ARE THERE SCENARIOS OR DIFFERENT WAYS OF APPROACHING OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES THAT CAN GET US OUT OF THE AMENITY TRAP? SO WE ALSO HAD A PUBLIC SURVEY WHICH I DON'T HAVE IN THE SLIDE SHOW, BUT IT IS AVAILABLE AND I CAN SEND IT OUT WHERE WE PUT TOGETHER 23 POLICY IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF ALL OF THESE WORKSHOPS.

AND FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS WE HAD IT OPEN AND WE ASKED PEOPLE OF THESE 23 IDEAS, ONE OF WHICH WAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION, INVESTING IN TRANSIT, MORE ROBUST ACTIVITY CENTERS, GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT, ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED? AND THAT'S NOT A FINAL PRIORITIZATION, BUT IT WAS ANOTHER INFORMATIVE THING THAT SAYS HOW PEOPLE ARE MAYBE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT VALUES THAT WE HAVE AND HOW THEY WOULD WEIGH THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER.

WE'VE ALSO HAD A WEBINAR AND THAT WEBINAR VIDEO IS STILL ONLINE.

THAT KIND OF IS OUR CONSULTANT GOING INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THE BUSINESS AS USUAL AND THIS PROCESS OVERALL ALONG WITH THAT, WE'VE HAD A FEEDBACK FORM AND WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT 50 OR 30 RESPONSES TO THAT.

WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE WHERE WE KIND OF SHOWED ABOUT 25 MINUTES OF THAT VIDEO AND THEN PUT UP POSTERS AROUND THE ROOM.

WE HAD ABOUT 23 PARTICIPANTS IN THAT.

OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION EXPECTATIONS OVER THE SUMMER ARE ALWAYS LOWER BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOES OUT OF TOWN IN JUNE AND JULY AND FLAGSTAFF.

SO WE TRIED TO MAKE IT VIRTUAL IN PERSON, EASY TO ACCESS, AND IT'S STILL ON THE WEBSITE.

SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN ARE THE TAG WILL GET BACK TOGETHER IN JULY AND AUGUST AND SEE DRAFT SCENARIOS AND NOT NECESSARILY FULLY FLESHED OUT ONES, BUT ONES THAT ARE JUST LIKE, HERE'S HOW WE MIGHT GROUP ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE HEARD INTO SCENARIOS AND WILL GIVE US MORE FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AFTER THAT MEETING IS POSTED.

THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THAT.

AND THEN THEN WE KIND OF JUMP INTO THE COMPUTER LAND A LITTLE MORE.

WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF TALKING TO THE PUBLIC, RUNNING OUR DATA BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THESE PROCESSES.

WHAT WE'LL DO ONCE WE SEE WHAT THE MODEL PRODUCES IS CREATE WHAT WE CALL A REPORT CARD.

AND SO THE REPORT CARD IS GOING TO LOOK NOT REALLY LIKE A DATA DASHBOARD, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF STORYTELLING OF LIKE, HOW DOES DIFFERENT DATA POINTS DESCRIBE WHAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS AND WHAT THOSE CHALLENGES, BOTH FROM THE CHALLENGES POINT OF VIEW AND FROM THE POSITIVE POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT COULD WHAT COULD WE GAIN PROGRESS ON IN TERMS OF OUR COMMUNITY GOALS AND POLICIES AND THOSE THAT WILL BE A VERY INFORMATIVE THING. IT COULD TELL US THAT THERE'S IF WE MAKE SOME MORE SPECIFIC COMMITMENTS AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN CHANGE THINGS, OR IT MAY TELL US THAT THE MODERATE GROWTH IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO REALLY CHANGE OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

AND SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT HAVE TO BE THE LEVERS WE PUSH TO MEET COMMUNITY GOALS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THOSE ARE ALL REALLY INTERESTING THINGS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO LEARN THROUGH SCENARIO CHOOSING.

AND RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME, THE COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL BE OVERSEEING PLAN WRITING, WILL BE MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THE COMMITTEE IS BEING FORMED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY MANAGERS.

EACH COUNCIL AND BOARD MEMBER PROVIDED AT LEAST THREE NOMINATIONS TO THE CITY AND COUNTY CLERK.

WE HAD 34 NOMINATIONS AND I WAS IN THE PROCESS TODAY, IN FACT, OF WRITING THE STAFF REPORT TO STEVE PERU AND GREG CLIFTON, TELLING THEM, HERE'S WHO IS NOMINATED, HERE'S WHAT WHO, WHERE THEY REPRESENT GEOGRAPHICALLY.

HERE'S WHERE THERE ARE HOLES IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION.

HERE'S THE TOPICS THAT ARE COVERED BY THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN NOMINATED, AND HERE'S MAYBE WHERE THERE'S SOME THINGS MISSING.

AND SO THOSE ARE ALL PIECES THAT THEY WILL CONSIDER WHEN INVITING THE MEMBERS TO IT.

THEY HAVE A ROUGH IDEA THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE ABOUT 20 MEMBERS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GROUP THAT HAS QUORUM RULES LIKE THE COMMISSION DOES.

SO IT'S NOT UNDER THE THE HANDBOOK THAT THE CLERK PUTS TOGETHER YOUR BOARD AND COMMISSIONS MANUAL.

BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE THEIR FIRST MEETING BE ONE WHERE THEY SIT DOWN AND MAKE THEIR RULES.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO OPERATE AS A COMMITTEE? AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO INCLUDE OPEN MEETINGS, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, GUIDELINES ABOUT WHEN AND HOW THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE, HOW THE AGENDAS GET POSTED, WHERE THEY'RE POSTED, AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THE ROLE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE TO LOOK AT THE DRAFTS AND THE OUTCOME OF SCENARIO CHOOSING AND START TRYING TO CREATE A PLAN FROM WHATEVER BECOMES THE

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PREFERRED SCENARIO.

AND THAT WILL BE VERY CHALLENGING.

THE CONSULTANT KIND OF CALLS THAT POLICY TRANSLATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM ALL THIS LEARNING AND IDEA SHARING AND TO HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO POLICIES THAT CAN HAVE A MEANINGFUL OUTCOME FOR.

OR THE COMMUNITY. SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PIECES OF THAT, INCLUDING LEGAL REVIEWS AND 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEWS OF DRAFTS AND LOTS OF LITTLE PIECES ALONG THE WAY. AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE MECHANICS OF IT WORKED OUT YET.

BUT WHEN WE DO, WE WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONS TELLING EVERYONE HOW IT'S GOING TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT TO TUNE IN TO IN THE PROCESS.

SO THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO MEET ABOUT 1 TO 2 TIMES PER MONTH.

THEY MAY MEET ONE ONCE PER MONTH FOR LIKE THREE MONTHS AND THEN SIX MONTHS WHERE THEY'RE MEETING TWICE PER MONTH.

AND IT'LL JUST DEPEND ON THE PACE AT WHICH WE CAN GET WORK DONE.

HAVING A COMMISSION THAT MEETS EVERY TWO WEEKS IS A LOT OF WORK FOR STAFF, BUT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN MOMENTUM AND TRY AND HAVE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW BE IN THAT 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW WHERE EVERYONE'S GETTING A CHANCE TO SEE A DRAFT PLAN AND DEBATE IT AND TALK IT OVER AND TELL US WHAT WE SHOULD DO DIFFERENTLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ONCE EVERYTHING'S KIND OF KNIT TOGETHER AND AT DIFFERENT PHASES ALONG THE WAY.

SO AS I SAID, THE THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR RULES AND PROCEDURES, SET A SCHEDULE AND SOME WRITING OBJECTIVES, AND THEN WE WILL LIKELY START AND END WITH OUR LAND USE CHAPTER, WHICH IS REALLY THE REGIONAL PLAN IS ABOUT LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION AND WATER. EVERYTHING ELSE IS PART OF THAT.

BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE CORE ELEMENTS THAT AND RESOURCES THAT THE REGIONAL PLAN REALLY HELPS US MANAGE.

AND SO WE'LL START WITH KIND OF WHAT THE FRAMEWORK IS, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE WANT TO DESCRIBE OUR LAND USES.

THAT WAS AN AREA OF HEAVY DEBATE IN THE LAST TIME.

AND SO WE'VE DONE IT TWO VERY DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMITTEE FEELS ABOUT HOW WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS ABOUT THAT.

THEY ALSO WILL GET TO HELP US DISCUSS AND SET AMENDMENT CATEGORIES AND THEN CREATE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THAT GROWTH.

ILLUSTRATION STAFF IS ALSO GOING TO PREPARE CHAPTERS OF THE PLAN AS WE KIND OF HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S CENTRAL TO IT AND SEND THOSE THROUGH THE COMMITTEE FOR A REVIEW. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO SEE EACH CHAPTER AND THEN SEE THE PLAN AS A WHOLE.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE.

WE'RE MOVING FROM LOTS OF REALLY OPEN ENDED CONVERSATIONS TO ACTUALLY STARTING TO PUT STUFF DOWN ON PAPER, AND EVERY BIT OF THAT PROCESS HAS A PUBLIC ELEMENT AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO TUNE IN AND SAY IT SHOULD BE MORE THIS WAY, IT SHOULD BE MORE THAT WAY.

AND WE'LL HAVE THE COMMITTEE TO HELP KIND OF HELP US WORK THROUGH THAT FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING AS WELL AS ALL THE DATA WE'VE GATHERED, BOTH IN THE SNAPSHOTS AND IN THE SCENARIO PLANNING PROCESS.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE. WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO COMMENT THAT ARE NOT ONLINE? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WON'T REGISTER FOR ONLINE STUFF.

I WON'T DO IT ANYMORE.

I DON'T. AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T GO ONLINE AT ALL.

A LOT OF THEM ARE OLDER, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE TODAY.

HE MAY BE ONLINE, BUT HE MAY NOT.

AND IT'S HIS COMMUNITY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM HIM.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES.

AND PEOPLE LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN AND OTHER SOUTH SIDE RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO COME TO THESE.

ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS SHOULD BE INVITED.

YES. BESIDES THE TAG, I ANTICIPATE THAT THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO MEET HYBRID JUST LIKE YOU ARE ALL ARE RIGHT NOW, WHERE MAYBE THERE'LL BE A COUPLE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ONLINE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPACE WHERE THEY MEET IN PERSON ON A REGULAR BASIS AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN PERSON.

THE TAG HAD A REALLY DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

AND SO THAT ONE WE JUST KEPT ONLINE.

AND IT HELPED US MOVE A LITTLE FASTER WITH THEM.

THEY DIDN'T, LIKE GET NOMINATED AND LIKE COMMIT THE WAY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE ASKED TO.

SO I THINK THAT WILL BE A LITTLE EASIER TO GET GOING.

BUT WE HAVE ANY TIME THERE'S BEEN A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THERE'S BEEN AN IN-PERSON VERSION LIKE THE OPEN HOUSE, WHICH WAS IT WAS FUNNY, SOMEBODY SHOWED UP TO THE OPEN HOUSE AND THEY SAID, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS THE SAME AS THE WEBINAR.

AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO A WEBINAR ON AT NOON ON A TUESDAY OR WATCH A YOUTUBE VIDEO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

AND SO BUT THEN THEY WERE SURPRISED THEIR EXPECTATION WAS EVERYTHING WOULD BE ONLINE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MEET PEOPLE IN BOTH OF THOSE SPACES AND IT WILL INCLUDE THAT WE HAVE A POSTCARD THAT GOES OUT FOR THE

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SCENARIO CHOOSING STUFF.

THAT SCENARIO, CHOOSING STEP IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE REALLY WANT TO DRIVE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD 285IN THE PEOPLE KIND OF HELP OUT IN THE SPRING.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET LIKE MAYBE 4 OR 500 PEOPLE TO REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE FALL WORKSHOPS.

SO WE'LL BE DOING LIKE THE POSTCARD AGAIN THAT EVERYBODY GOT IN THE MAIL WHEN WE DID THE EVERY DOOR DIRECT MAIL IN ADDITION.

SO PROBABLY THE POSTCARD AFTER THAT WILL BE WHEN WE DO THE 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW.

THANK YOU. I HAD JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

ONE, JUST KIND OF TO BUILD ON WHAT DUFFY SAID.

IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO HOLD IN-PERSON EVENTS IN OTHER SPACES, LIKE AT THE MURDOCH CENTER OR GOING REACHING OUT TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS JUST THIS IS A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN.

I SEE A LOT OF REFERENCES TO 2045.

SO IS THAT KIND OF THE LIFESPAN OF THE PLAN IS 20 YEARS? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL OUR PLANNING HORIZON.

LAST TIME IT WAS THE 2030 PLAN, BUT IT WAS ODD BECAUSE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014, SO WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY FOUR YEARS INTO IT.

SO THIS TIME WE SAID, WELL, IT TAKES A COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE THE HORIZON NEEDS TO BE FUN PLAN ADOPTION, WHICH WE THINK WILL BE IN 2025 BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND THE GENERAL PLAN FOR THE CITY TO THE VOTERS DIRECTLY.

SO THAT TAKES A LITTLE EXTRA TIME.

IT ADDS LIKE SIX MONTHS TO YOUR TIMELINE BECAUSE BY THE TIME COUNCIL KIND OF ENDORSES IT, WE HAVE TO GET EVERYTHING GOING FOR LIKE A SPECIAL ELECTION.

OR COUNCIL MIGHT CHOOSE TO FOLD IT INTO SOME OTHER ELECTION THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON LIKE A GENERAL ELECTION.

SO IT JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF TIMELINE.

I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO ASK WHEN WOULD WE GET UPDATED AGAIN ON THIS NEXT.

WOULD IT BE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR.

YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME FOLKS ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO BRING SOME CHAPTERS TO THE COMMISSIONS TO LOOK AT BEFORE IT SHOWS UP AT THE COMMITTEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STILL WORKING ON HOW THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE TIMED.

AND COMMISSIONS DON'T ALWAYS MEET AT A TIME THAT FITS LIKE THE WRITING SCHEDULE.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON HOW AND I DON'T HAVE A GREAT PLAN.

SO IF YOU HAVE FEEDBACK ON THIS OR IDEAS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE COMMISSIONS INFORMED AS WE'RE WRITING CHAPTERS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THEIR TOPIC AREAS.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING PART OF, OF WHAT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE WE THINK THAT EVERYBODY WILL WANT TO WEIGH IN.

DO WE TAKE IT TO THE COMMITTEE FIRST? DO WE TRY AND GET IT IN FRONT OF A COMMISSION? WHAT IF THAT'S NOT TIMELY? I'M WORKING ON A DOCUMENT INTERNALLY RIGHT NOW THAT I'M TRYING TO KIND OF FEEL THAT OUT WITH ALL THE LIAISONS AND THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS.

SO WE HAVE A GOOD ROADMAP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYBODY OUT, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A LOT OF LAG BECAUSE IT IS A BIG COMPLEX THING AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE WASTING TIME OR MONEY IN DOING IT IN A REALLY DRAWN OUT WAY.

I THINK THAT WAS DEFINITELY A LESSON LEARNED FROM LAST TIME IS YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE FIVE YEARS ONCE YOU GET WRITING.

PEOPLE WANT THE PLAN DONE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE SPENT OUR TIME LISTENING WITHOUT WRITING.

AND NOW ONCE WE GET WRITING, WE NEED TO BE DONE IN A YEAR.

WE NEED A PLAN THAT WE CAN HOLD IN OUR HANDS.

AND ACTUALLY, AS A PHYSICAL THING, EVERYBODY'S READY TO WEIGH IN ON.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR.

THAT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

AND YOU WERE LUCKY.

I'M YOUR LIAISON. SO IF YOU EVER DURING YOUR TO AND FROM GO SARA NEXT TIME, WOULD YOU GIVE US A REGIONAL PLAN? UPDATE I'M AT YOUR BECK AND CALL, SO THAT'S EASY.

OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS Heritage Preservation Commission member, Duffie Westheimer - representing the Townsite Community Land Trust - will provide an update on the 12 Hillside House move to Townsite. Next Meeting Date: August 16, 2023]

SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE TOWN SITE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

OKAY. I KNOW THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT TOWNSITE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE TODAY.

IS SHE? OKAY, ABBY, IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY, LET ME KNOW.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANY TIME.

SO OUR THANKS, SARAH, FOR BRINGING UP THE PICTURES.

SO WE ARE A PRIVATE NONPROFIT, 500 AND 1C3 TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATION, AND OUR MISSION IS PROMOTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT WITH PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.

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SO THIS GOES BACK TO WE ORGANIZED I STARTED WORKING ON IT IN 2010.

WE BECAME A 501 C 3 IN 2014.

WE SOLD OUR FIRST HOUSES IN 2017.

WE HAVE FIVE HOUSES AND NOW WE HAVE A SIXTH, WHICH YOU ALL GAVE A GRANT FOR.

AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.