Sep 20, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

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I'LL HAVE TO HIT THE BUTTON.

ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO THIS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH, MEETING OF THE FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN 2023.

WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER WITH A ROLL CALL.

SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE THE MIC ON.

SAY IT AGAIN. PRESENT VICE CHAIR DEA, PRESENT.

COMMISSION MEMBER BUCKHAM, BURCHAM AND HORN ARE ABSENT.

EXCUSED. COMMISSIONER HAYES.

PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I CAN READ THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT I THINK IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I HAVE.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS, SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

WE CAN NOW OPEN UP THE MEETING TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

SEEING NONE. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR JULY 19TH MEETING.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the July 19, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission]

I SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DEA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES.

WE NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, STARTING WITH ITEM 6A, THE FIRE CREEK COFFEE COMPANY.

[A. Fire Creek Coffee Company (Hist: Donahue Building) PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 22 E Route 66 Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-20-002 Property Owner: Puchtega Investment Group LLC Applicant: Antoinette & Steve Beiser City Staff: Mark Reavis HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Owner is requesting a Historic Sign and Facade Grant for $8,310 for facade rehabilitation RECOMMENDED ACTION: Recommended Motion: Approve a Historic Signs and Facade grant with an allocation of $8,310 to be awarded to Antoinette & Steve Beiser (Puchtega Investment Group LLC) for rehabilitation work at 22 E Route 66. ]

FOR WHAT IT'S BETTER KNOWN IS IT'S ALSO THE HISTORIC DONAHUE BUILDING.

SO IT'S ONE OF OUR PRIMARY FACADES ON ROUTE 66.

IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN BEHIND THE STUCCO.

IT HAS SOME DETERIORATION ISSUES.

AND PER OUR LEVEL ONE FUNDING, WORKING TOWARD MAKING BUILDINGS LOOK A LITTLE MORE COMPATIBLE HISTORICALLY AND SOLVING SOME OF THE DETERIORATION AT THE BASE. THE MAIN WORK THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ESTABLISHING A BOTTOM AREA UNDER THE WINDOWS THAT'S A PANELIZED DETAIL THAT'S PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IN FLAGSTAFF.

SO IT'S MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE HISTORIC LOOKING, SOLVING SOME OF THE DETERIORATION ISSUES.

AND THE REQUEST IS FOR $8,310 TO BE AWARDED BY THE HPC.

WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON BOARD THAT HAS HAD THIS PROPERTY FOR QUITE A WHILE.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD ANTOINETTE? YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE, I THINK.

CAN YOU UNMUTE. [INAUDIBLE] OH, OKAY.

I THINK THAT YOU SUMMED IT UP NICELY.

IT REALLY NEEDS A BIT OF A FACELIFT AND, UM.

YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED, BECAUSE WE COULD USE SOME HELP WITH IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, EXPENSIVE.

AND I THINK IT WILL REALLY IMPROVE THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

WE HAVE A PHONE GOING OFF.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR EITHER MARK OR ANTOINETTE? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL ENTAIL.

THEIR PRIMARILY THERE'S SOME PAINT DETERIORATION ON THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT'S FLAKING AWAY THAT WILL JUST MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.

THE ENTRY ON THE PACKET, IT ACTUALLY THE CONCRETE AT THE ENTRY AND THE HISTORIC DOOR IS SEVERELY DETERIORATED.

AND THEN THE RAIN AND THE SPLASHING HAS CAUSED DETERIORATION OF OF THE STUCCO UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS.

SO THEY DID PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT TYPICAL PANELIZED LOOK UNDERNEATH MOST OF OUR OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

AND WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE HISTORIC PHOTO, YOU REALLY CANNOT TELL WHAT WAS THERE AS FAR AS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS GO.

AND OF COURSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PHOTO, IT HAD A SECOND STORY AND A COVERED PORCH OVER THE SIDEWALK.

AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO RECREATE THAT.

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IT IS THERE.

SO IT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING.

AND IT DOES MEET THOSE BASIC CRITERIA FOR OUR LEVEL ONE FUNDING.

YEAH THE STUCCO ITSELF NEEDS WORK AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY WE INCLUDED THAT IN THE APPLICATION.

THIS IS WESTHEIMER AND I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ONE IS I REMEMBER READING IT AND IT SAID THAT THE STUCCO WOULD BE TINTED AS OPPOSED TO PAINTED.

AND IT ALSO WASN'T CLEAR TO ME IF YOU'D GO TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING OR IF JUST OVER THE WINDOW, BECAUSE THE TEXTURE, I THINK YOU SAID, IS GOING TO CHANGE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AND NOT STOP AND HAVE THE TEXTURE CHANGE ABOVE THE WINDOW.

NO, IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS STUFF THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD, BUT IS MORE WEATHERPROOF THAN WOOD WILL BE UP FROM THE BOTTOM, FROM THE LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK UP TO THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS.

THEN THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF FLASHING WHERE THE STUCCO MEETS THAT MATERIAL ABOVE THE WINDOWS AND GOES UP TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

SO STUCCO ABOVE THE WOOD.

IF YOU'VE SEEN THE BUILDING, THE NEW ITALIAN PLACE ON SAN FRANCISCO STREET TEATRO. IT VERY SIMILAR LOOK IN THE FRONT WITH A SORT OF THE WOOD THAT ISN'T REALLY WOOD BUT LOOKS LIKE WOOD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, IMPRINT OF WOOD ON IT, BUT IT'S A BETTER, MORE DURABLE WEATHERPROOF MATERIAL.

AND THEN ABOVE THAT WILL BE THE STUCCO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.

SO IT'S THAT PANELIZED LOOK OF A CENTRAL PANEL IN A TRIM AROUND IT.

SO IT'S SURROUNDED BY WOOD? YEAH. WELL, MORE RESISTANT.

YEAH. YEAH.

ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, YOU HAVE SPELLED THE NAME OF THEIR COMPANY WRONG.

IT'S PUCHTECA WITH A C, NOT A G.

WAS THAT MY TYPING.

IS IT MINE OR HIS? NO IDEA. BUT ANTOINETTE, I BET YOU KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT.

IT'S P.U.C.H.

T.E.C.A. I'LL ACCEPT DEFEAT IF I WAS WRONG.

IT JUST SHOULD BE CORRECTED.

OKAY. YEAH, IT'S SPELLED CORRECTLY ON THE APPLICATION, BUT IT MAY BE SPELLED INCORRECTLY ON THE.

ON THE AGENDA.

BUT ON PAGE ONE OF THE APPLICATION IS SPELLED [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A CAPITAL G IN THE HANDWRITTEN APPLICATION AND THEN.

OH, OKAY.

HOWEVER, ANYWAY.

YES, CORRECT. IN THE RECORD, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHY OR WHO DID IT.

UM, MY QUESTION IS THEN SO YOU'RE GOING TO RE STUCCO THE ENTIRE THING AND THEN IS THE SAME SIGN DESIGN GOING TO GO BACK ON THE OUTSIDE THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BUILDING? WE DID NOT GET INTO THE SIGN BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR SIGNAGE.

AM I CORRECT? YEAH, THAT THAT WOULD BE A SIGN PERMIT AND A DOWNTOWN OVERLAY REVIEW BY ME.

BUT WE CAN DO THAT LATER, RIGHT? YEAH, WE DID. WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT LATER.

EXACTLY. IT'S THE RIGHT NOW THE THE TITLE, THE NAME OF THE FIRE CREEK COFFEE IS JUST PAINTED ON THE STUCCO.

AND I THINK HE HAS PLANS FOR A SIGN THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR GUIDELINES.

AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION, ME BEING THE TENANT AND THE TENANT, THE PAINTED SIGNS ARE ALLOWED.

THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA.

YEAH, I FIGURED THE ONE WAS APPROVED AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE PART OF THE STUCCO AND THEREFORE A PART OF THIS GRANT.

AND IS THIS OUR FIRST SIGNS AND FACADE GRANT ON THE NEW CRITERIA WHERE WE CAN GO ABOVE $5,000? OH, IT'S SO EXCITING.

YEAH, AND I IT IS.

BUT I DID LEAVE IT AS A LEVEL ONE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NOT A FULL ACCURATE RECREATION OF THE HISTORY.

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YEAH. ALYCIA, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KNOTTWOOD PANEL, BUT WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS AND IS THAT GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? AND WAS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT HISTORICALLY LOOKED LIKE? BECAUSE NOW THERE ISN'T A WOOD PANEL, RIGHT? IT'S JUST STUCCO TO THE GROUND.

YES, THE SIDEWALK.

RIGHT. AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT THIS MATERIAL IS.

IS IT IS IT PLASTIC OR VINYL OR IS IT CONCRETE? WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW? IT'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD.

AND LIKE I SAID, TEATRO HAS IT ON THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING IN ON SAN FRANCISCO STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND INCLUDED PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE GRANT APPLICATION OF WHAT THE MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE.

IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD.

UM. AND, UM.

SORRY. I'M IN MY CAR.

I'M AFTER I JUST WAS AT ANOTHER MEETING AND I'M ZOOMING AFTER THAT MEETING.

UM, IN ANY CASE, IF YOU WE TRIED TO MAKE HAVE IT LOOK A LOT LIKE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN WHICH HAVE WOOD UNDER THEIR WINDOWS OR UNDER AND SORT OF UP THE SIDES OF THE WINDOWS.

THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THAT.

RIGHT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY WORKED WITH [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH, IT'S A COMPOSITE FIBER, SO IT'S A BONDED FIBER COMPOSITE.

SO I WOULD HATE TO SAY THE WORD PLASTIC, BUT.

IT'S OKAY. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD.

IT DOESN'T. I DON'T THINK LIKE I WENT OVER AND I FELT THE MATERIAL ON TEATRO.

IT DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE PLASTIC.

BUT YEAH, WE WANTED TO GO WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT GOING TO DETERIORATE, LIKE WOOD TENDS TO DO, BUT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WOOD.

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW IT WILL HOLD UP IN LIKE, SAY, UV EXPOSURE BECAUSE THAT'S SOUTH FACING.

WILL IT CONTINUE TO APPEAR LIKE WOOD OR WILL IT START, YOU KNOW, DETERIORATING IN A WAY THAT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S COMPOSITE? I THINK THAT IF YOU THINK IT'S THE MATERIAL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING NOW ON DECKS AND THEY'RE AND THEY'RE USING THAT MATERIAL BECAUSE OF THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT WOOD DECKS HAVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO THIS MATERIAL THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD FOR DECKS, BUT IT'S NOT WOOD.

SO LIKE TREX THEN.

YES. YEAH, YOU HIT IT.

YEAH. IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, TREX NATIONAL PARKS, IT HAD TREX PICNIC TABLES AND THEY WARPED FROM THE SUN SO THEY DON'T TAKE REALLY HIGH TEMPERATURES.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT JUST UV.

THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, IT'S HARDY BOARD SIDING, WHICH IS CONSIDERED LIKE A SUSTAINABLE REUSE PRODUCT, AND IT'S VERY COMMONLY USED ON HOMES ALL OVER.

SO. IT'S LIKE FIBER CEMENT, I THINK, OR SOMETHING.

SARA DID YOU HAVE A VISUAL FOR US? YES, THANK YOU.

I PULLED UP THE TEATRO FRONTAGE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT MATERIAL SHE'S DESCRIBING IT'S THE BLUE MATERIAL.

KIND OF WAS LIKE ZOOMING IN AROUND THE TREES AND STUFF.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN APPROVING THIS MATERIAL IN THE DOWNTOWN AND WHEN IT IS NOT LIKE A FULL RESTORATION PROJECT AND IT'S JUST REHABILITATION OR PROTECTION, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S WET, IT HOLDS UP MUCH BETTER TO MOISTURE.

AND I DON'T RECALL, MARK, WE'VE WE HAVEN'T HAD UV ISSUES WITH IT SO FAR BECAUSE I THINK WE WE HAD A PRETTY DETAILED DISCUSSION OF THIS MATERIAL LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT DID COME UP.

BUT SO THAT'S ONLY FOUR YEARS OF DATA MAYBE.

BUT THE PARK SERVICE ALSO FOR WINDOWS ALLOWS THIS COMPOSITE FIBERGLASS AND COMPOSITE SOMETHING ELSE I THINK, THAT ARE PERMITTED EVEN IN HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

SO I THINK IT WAS A FAIRLY COMPARABLE MATERIAL TO THAT.

BUT IT'S BEEN IT'S BEFORE MARK GOT HERE THAT THAT CAME UP LAST.

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IS THAT HELPFUL? AND THE PANELS ARE FAIRLY SHORT.

THERE'S A SERIES OF PANELS ACROSS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS, SO.

SO THAT'S HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. AND I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT MATERIALS THAT ARE USED INSTEAD OF LIEU OF HISTORIC MATERIALS.

SO I'LL DRIVE BY THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU.I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT COLORS.

ARE YOU GOING TO RETURN TO THESE COLORS OR CHANGE THEM? UM, THE PERSON WHO IS DOING THE STUCCO, UM, GAVE US A FULL LIKE BROCHURE OF EVERY COLOR KNOWN TO MAN, BASICALLY.

AND SO WE WERE GOING TO, WAS GOING TO GIVE THAT TO THE TENANT AND, YOU KNOW, LET HIM PICK OUT SOME COLORS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE COLORS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE PERMISSIBLE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF COLOR.

YOU CAN'T GO COMPLETELY CRAZY WITH COLOR, I DON'T THINK.

BUT I'M NOT I'M NOT 100% SURE.

YES, BOTH THE SIGN AND COLOR WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT.

YOUR DECISION TODAY IS ONLY WHETHER TO FUND THE TO APPROVE THE GRANT FUNDING.

THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ALL THEIR PERMITS.

SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO INCLUDE THAT LIKE PENDING COLOR CONFIRMATION IN OUR MOTION, IT WOULD JUST BE ASSUMED THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

IT'S KIND OF ASSUMED THAT THAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT, MARK WOULD REVIEW IT FOR COLOR LIKE A SIGN AND STUCCO COLORING WOULD JUST BE A NO EFFECT PROBABLY.

BUT IF YOU WERE IF YOU DESIRED TO SEE THE COLORS, YOU COULD ASK MARK TO BRING YOU THE CERTIFICATE IN LIEU OF REVIEWING IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. I MEAN, DOWNTOWN'S PRETTY COLORFUL.

TEATRO IS BLUE.

CRYSTAL MAGIC IS PINK AND PURPLE AND FIRE CREEK IS CURRENTLY BRIGHT BLUE, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE COLOR WOULD BE OUT OF PLACE DOWNTOWN.

BUT SO I THINK THERE WAS ONCE A BUILDING, THOUGH, ON FRONT STREET THAT PICKED A COLOR THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY SUPER BRIGHT RED OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS RED.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? YES. AND SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THIS COLOR IS GOING ON UNLESS IT HAS APPROVAL.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT WOULD WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE GO THROUGH THE PROPER THINGS.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

CAN I MOVE TO.

OH, YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANTS, MARK OR ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT, THEN. DO WE HAVE A MOVEMENT? I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE A HISTORIC SIGN AND FACADE GRANT WITH AN ALLOCATION OF $8,310 TO BE AWARDED TO ANTOINETTE AND STEVE BEISER.

AM I GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT? PUCHTECA INVESTMENT GROUP, LLC FOR REHABILITATION WORK AT 22 EAST ROUTE 66.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEA.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED.

AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

CONGRATULATIONS. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE BUILDING SPRUCED UP A BIT.

THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SPRUCING IT UP.

AND I WILL BE, I GUESS SIGNING OFF NOW.

YEAH. AND JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER REVIEWS AND PERMITS, YOU'VE GOT MY EMAIL AND WE KEEP TALKING.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. YES, WE WILL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BYE BYE NOW. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM 6B, THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY OF THE BACA HOUSE.

[B. Cultural Resource Study Baca House PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 3 S. Colorado Street Assessor's Parcel Number: 104-01-019 Property Owner: City of Flagstaff Applicant: City of Flagstaff City Staff: Mark Reavis HPO REQUESTED ACTION: The City of Flagstaff requesting the acceptance of a Phase 2 Cultural Resource Study to document the home located at 3 S Colorado St. commonly referred to as the Baca House, that will allow for the demolition of the structures on the site to clear the alignment of the voter-approved Lone Tree Overpass. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Recommended Motion: Accept the Phase 2 Cultural Resource Study titled Baca House, 3 S. Colorado Street, Flagstaff, AZ APN Parcel # 104-01-019 prepared by Nancy Holst, PHD of WSP with contributions by Ted Roberts, M.A., RPA dated June 23, 2023 ]

THANK YOU. THE PACKET PRETTY MUCH GOES INTO THE REASON WHY THIS HOUSE W AS AND MUST BE DEMOLISHED.

IT CERTAINLY HAS A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY.

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I THINK THAT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT THAT THAT TOOK PLACE SO THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND IT'S SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT I WOULD HOPE WE COULD USE FOR SOME LEVEL OF INTERPRETATION ON THAT HOUSE.

I FORGIVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE REPORT THAT SAYS IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] STONE.

THEY TENDED TO CORRECT THAT LATER ON IN THE DOCUMENT WHERE THEY'RE SAYING IT WAS SOURCED BY SCAVENGING BOTH FROM THE LUMBER MILL AND FROM STONE THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE AREA.

SO IT'S PROFESSIONALLY PREPARED.

IT FULLY DESCRIBES WHY IT'S BEING DEMOLISHED AND DESCRIBES THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME.

AND IT WAS DONE BY A QUALIFIED CULTURAL RESOURCE PERSON THAT HAPPENS TO LIVE IN TOWN, THAT WORKS FOR A FAIRLY LARGE ENGINEERING COMPANY. TED ROBERTS DID THE REPORT.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN IT AND A LOT OF GOOD DOCUMENTATION, PHOTO DOCUMENTATION.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING I COULDN'T GET TO.

SO WE HAD A PREVIOUS HOME THAT WAS NORTH THAT WE DID THAT.

I DID A CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW.

SO ANY OF OUR LOCAL PROJECTS, WE TRY TO SAVE SOME PUBLIC MONEY ALONG THE WAY HERE, BUT WE NEEDED THIS TO BE DONE AND IT WAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY WITH A LONG HISTORY.

SO I'M RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE HPC.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MARK.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE I THINK THERE ARE FOUR PLACES THAT THEY REFER TO [INAUDIBLE], IF THEY'VE ALL BEEN CORRECTED AND IF THE CORRECT STONE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THAT. I THINK I CAN AMEND THOSE PLACES.

SO PRETTY CRITICAL TO PROCEED WITH TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION IS AND STATED THAT IF WE COULD ACCEPT THE REPORT AND I COULD CORRECT THAT REPORT AND AMEND THAT REPORT, IF THAT THAT'D BE ACCEPTABLE.

WILL YOU REPORT BACK TO US THAT IT HAS BEEN AMENDED? I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK PEOPLE DID JUST GO OUT INTO THE WOODS AND COLLECT ROCK.

AND I DID COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE TO THE PREPARER, BUT IT DIDN'T GET AMENDED SO.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, IN THE RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS ACCEPT THE PHASE TWO CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.

BUT THE APPLICATION FROM TED ROBERTS IS FOR A PHASE ONE.

WHICH IS IT? I BELIEVE IT'S COMPLETE ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A PHASE TWO FULL RECREATION S O. AND THE WAY THEY EVALUATE THEIR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN OUR EVALUATION.

SO HE WROTE IT AS A CULTURAL RESOURCE PERSON SUBMITTING ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL SO I COULD CLARIFY THAT AS WELL. I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY A DAY OR SO AGO AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT IS A VERY OLD WALL AND IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THIS.

DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? THAT'S THE WALL THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PREVIOUS HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED.

AND I DID MENTION THAT.

HOUSE TO THE NORTH.

TO THE NORTH. THE TWO HOUSES TO THE NORTH.

YEAH. THAT IS [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE CONCRETE CAP.

YEAH. AND I'M PRETTY SURE I DID EVALUATE THAT.

AND IT WAS IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.

I DID FULLY DOCUMENT THE DEMOLITION.

AND THAT WAS A STONEHOUSE THROUGH AND THROUGH WITCH STUCCO ON IT.

SO I ACTUALLY TOOK A PRETTY GOOD GUESS AT WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, WHAT PORTIONS WERE CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME, AND HOW IT PROGRESSED FROM THAT CENTRAL POINT TO THE FRONT BUNGALOW TO THE BACK ADDITIONS SO.

YEAH, BUT I THINK THOSE THOSE TWO HOMES ARE AND SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION I DID ON THE GARAGE, I THINK THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE, VERY FLAGSTAFF CONSTRUCTION FROM WHEN THEY WOULD FORM UP THE INSIDE OF A HOUSE AND THEN DO THE FINISH STONE AND COMPLETE THE BUILDING.

SO I DID TAKE SOME QUITE A FEW PHOTOS OF THE DEMOLITION AND OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.

SO YEAH.

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THERE WAS A WAREHOUSE, A METAL BUILDING STRUCTURE THAT DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT WAS EVALUATED, EVALUATED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BE LISTED.

AND THERE IS ONE MORE BUILDING THAT NEEDS A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, WHICH IS FLAG ICE BUILDING.

I BELIEVE IT'S A VERY EARLY EXAMPLE.

PEOPLE DON'T GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT METAL BUILDINGS, BUT THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY KIND OF UNIQUE AS A VERY EARLY BUILDING.

SO WE'RE WORKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT BUILDING EVALUATED AND DOCUMENTED AND HAVE THE CORRECT CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY DONE ON IT.

SO ONE MORE.

UM. EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE WAS A BUILDING ON BUTLER THAT WAS NOT HISTORIC.

UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, SO.

YEAH. SURPRISINGLY LITTLE FOR SUCH A BIG PROJECT.

OH, ACTUALLY, THE CEMENT PLANT GETS DESTROYED AS WELL.

IT'S NON-HISTORIC, SO.

AND BESIDES THE FLOOR PLAN, HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS BEEN DONE OF THE.

OKAY. AND I'M ASSUMING NO PLANS TO DO SO.

YEAH, NO PLANS. OKAY.

IT'S JUST SUCH A COOL BUILDING AND IT'S SO SAD, BUT.

IS THERE ANY WAY THIS COMMISSION CAN INFLUENCE CITY DECISIONS SO THAT WE DON'T DESTROY OUR HISTORY IN HOUSING IF WE HAVE SUCH A HOUSING PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IF OUR LEGACY FAMILIES BECAUSE THAT PROJECT COULD HAVE GONE TO THE EAST, IT DID NOT NEED TO TAKE OUT HOMES, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN INFLUENCE FUTURE DECISIONS SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT ONE, SO.

ALL I CAN REALLY DO IS COMPLY WITH OUR PROVISIONS FOR RECREATION OF STRUCTURES THAT MEET HISTORIC CRITERIA.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.

WE ARE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SO I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE HOUSING ISSUES AND LEGACY FAMILIES GETTING PUSHED OUT AND IT JUST NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS MYSELF SO.

I IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE HISTORY.

THE ACTUAL DECISION TO GO WITH THIS ALIGNMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS DEMOLITION TODAY, WAS MADE IN 2006.

AND SO IT IS A DECISION THAT DID INCLUDE, I BELIEVE, THIS COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.

AND SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT THE COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE INPUT.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO SOME VERY OLD MINUTES, BUT THERE WERE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES CONSIDERED.

AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO I CAN'T DEFINITIVELY SAY IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL THE 2006 LONE TREE STUDY PLAN IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT IN MORE DETAIL.

I GUESS I WAS HERE AT THE TIME.

I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF THE CITY WHEN THEY PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, COULD MAKE IT CLEAR TO PEOPLE WHAT WERE GOING TO LOSE WITH THE ALIGNMENTS THAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.

I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS SINCE 2004 OR SO AND WERE VERY AWARE OF OF WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT IT MEANT FOR THEM PERSONALLY.

SO I THINK THEY HAD A YOU KNOW HOPED THAT SOME OF THEIR ELDERS WOULD NOT LIVE THROUGH THIS DISPLACEMENT, BUT THEY LIVED A LONG, HEALTHY LIFE.

AND SO WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY WORKING WITH THE BACA FAMILY AND TALKING TO THEM AND STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

THAT'S HOW THE ORAL HISTORY HAPPENED, WAS BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.

AND DURING THE PROCESS, THEY WERE THEY HAVE A COMPARABLE HOME.

SO THEY WEREN'T DISPLACED.

THEY WERE PROVIDED WITH TWO HOUSING UNITS AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION OF ACQUISITION.

NOT TO PROLONG THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT THEY HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY KNEW THEIR NEIGHBORS FOR GENERATIONS AND MORE THAN.

I MEAN, THAT'S MORE THAN JUST A HOUSE AND THAT DOESN'T CARRY FORWARD WITH UNITS.

WELL AND THE ONE THEIR GRANDFATHER BUILT.

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YEAH. DO WE HAVE A ON THE AGENDA? SO. COME ON UP.

YEAH, YOU HAVE TO. NO, NO, NO.

OTHERWISE YOU DON'T GET RECORDED.

JUST MOVE THAT DOWN. YES.

AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HAS A COMMENT.

THANK YOU. I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS SHRINKING.

YES, THE BACAS ARE INTERESTING PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY.

THEY WERE NOT GIVEN A HOME.

THEY WERE GIVEN HOUSES.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE A HOME.

IT'S SAD.

IT'S EMBARRASSING.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CITY HAS CHOSEN TO CHOOSE THE LOGISTICS OF TRAFFIC OVER HUMANITY AND A HOME.

AND I THINK THAT I THINK THAT IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE THINGS AND IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO REROUTE SOMETHING.

WE PUT MEN ON THE MOON, RIGHT? WE CAN REROUTE A ROAD.

BUT I THINK IT'S TOO LATE.

THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY GONE TO THEIR OTHER HOME HOUSE AND I SPOKE WITH THEM ALSO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO TALK TO US TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE A QUESTION B ECAUSE WE'RE AT THIS LATE STAGE WITH THIS WHAT IS DONE WITH THE MATERIALS IN THESE KINDS OF DEMOLITIONS, LIKE THE ONES THE [INAUDIBLE] ROCK, THOSE ARE HOPEFULLY NOT GOING TO THE DUMP.

THAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE ON THE NORTH ONE.

I DID WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS ONE HOUSE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH OF THE BACA HOME.

AND WE DID STOCKPILE MATERIAL THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD USE.

SO THAT WOULD BE A FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT ACCEPTED THAT MATERIAL.

SO I DO THINK THAT'S GOOD TO TO SAVE THE MATERIAL AS WELL SO.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF US DOWNTOWN WITH THINGS FALLING APART THAT COULD USE THAT ROCK.

SO THERE'S HOMES.

THERE ARE HOMES FOR IT.

YEAH. YEAH.

ARE THERE CURRENT PLANS TO DO THINGS WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTIES? MATERIALS? ON THAT SITE THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF THE.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS ON DEVELOPING THAT AREA, SO.

OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT THEY DID ACCEPT THE MATERIAL AND IT WAS STOCKPILED.

AND I WAS ABLE TO WORK OUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE STOCKPILING AND ACCEPTING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ACCEPT THE MATERIAL SO.

SO I DO TAKE THESE DEMOLITIONS PERSONALLY.

COMMISSIONER HAYES DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO I DON'T. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM STAFF OR COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE'RE JUST AS COMMISSIONER DAY SAID, IT'S WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROCESS NOW.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE THE REPORT.

DO WE NEED MORE THAN THAT? YEAH, IF SHE WOULD.

OH, YEAH. AT LEAST IF YOU COULD JUST READ IT OFF THE AGENDA.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY OF THE BACA HOUSE.

YOU'RE OKAY. AND I ADD THE AMENDMENT THAT THE STONE BE CORRECTED, THAT IT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE].

WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND.

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THANK YOU. I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DEA.

DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT THE CORRECT TYPE OF STONE BE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT FOR THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND THAT AMENDMENT.

WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT FROM COMMISSIONER DEA.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVED.

APPROVED. AMENDED MOTION.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES AND WE ACCEPT THE REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO GENERAL BUSINESS WITH ITEM 7A, THE MCALLISTER RANCH AS URBAN FARM SITE.

[A. McAllister Ranch (Forman's House & Barns) as Urban Farm Site Heritage Preservation Commission to endorse the concept of using the McAllister Ranch Forman's site for Urban Farming, with any work meeting the US Secretary of the Interior Standards for Rehabilitation and being done in consultation with the Historic Preservation Officer.]

I'M A LITTLE BIT OBSESSED WITH TRYING TO PRESERVE MCALLISTER RANCH BECAUSE WE VIRTUALLY HAVE NO RANCHING HISTORY THAT REMAINS.

AND THIS IS A REALLY WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF RANCHING OPERATIONS.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE FOREMAN'S HOUSE OF A SMALL LITTLE MILK PROCESSING STRUCTURE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE HOUSE.

THERE IS A STONE GARAGE AND THERE'S TWO UNIQUE BARNS ON THE SITE.

AND I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A USE BECAUSE, OF COURSE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A USE, YOU DON'T PRESERVE ANY BUILDINGS.

SO SUSTAINABILITY APPROACHED AND LOOKED AT THE CONCEPT OF THE AREA AROUND THE BARNS AND THE CISTERN.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A CISTERN ON THE SITE.

IF YOU PULL THAT UP, THE ONE PHOTO THAT I INCLUDED, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY APPROPRIATE USE, THE WAY THE CORRALS ARE DIVIDED UP, THEY'D WORK VERY WELL FOR URBAN FARMING.

THERE WAS SOME LEVEL OF PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT, SAYING THAT, WELL, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO VISIT IT.

I CAN TELL YOU THE FOOT TRAIL GOES THERE, TIMBER SKY IS DEVELOPED, PEOPLE ARE THERE ALL THE TIME.

SO THE FOREMAN'S HOUSE HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO.

THE AREA DEFINITELY NEEDS A USE.

SO JUST TO INFORM THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PURSUED, IT'S ALSO BEING PURSUED WITH UTILIZING ANY STUDENTS SUSTAINABILITY STUDENTS TO EVALUATE THE PROPERTY.

SO WE'VE HAD A MEETING WITH A LOT OF KEY DEPARTMENT HEADS ON WHETHER THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, AND IT TENDS TO BE A THUMBS UP AS WE PROCEED WITH THIS.

SO JUST TO KEEP YOU INFORMED, THAT PHOTO ACTUALLY COMES FROM A DRONE FLIGHT.

WE HAVE SEVERAL VIDEOS OF THE DRONES FLYING AROUND THIS AREA.

SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THIS SITE, IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL SITE.

THE NEW ROUTE 66 SIGN IS RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU HEAD OUT OF TOWN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SPOT FOR PLACING INTERPRETATION ON THAT SIGN.

THERE'S A BLANK AREA THERE.

SO I THINK IT'S TIME IS NOW TO DO SOMETHING WITH SO I THIS IS JUST GENERAL BUSINESS AND INFORMING THE HPC THAT I'M PURSUING THIS ALONG WITH SUSTAINABILITY SO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MARK. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I'M A HUGE FAN OF THIS IDEA AND I SEE HERE FUNDING WILL NEED TO BE SECURED.

WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS AND APPROACHES TO THAT? I THINK MY PART WOULD BE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BEING LISTED AS AND I THINK IT EASILY CAN BE.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES DONE ON THIS.

I THINK IT'S EASILY ELIGIBLE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING AND THEN I WOULD PURSUE THOSE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PROPERTIES LIKE THIS.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY EASY TO INTERPRET SO.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE NEATEST THINGS THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A WE HAVE AN ADJACENT WATER SOURCE FROM THE NEW PUMP HOUSE.

WE ALSO HAVE THE CISTERN THAT PROVIDES THAT WILL PROVIDE A LOT OF WATER THAT WE WON'T EVEN HAVE TO UTILIZE.

SO IT'S A PRETTY NEAT PROPERTY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

AS FAR AS THE HOUSE, I CAN ENVISION THE HOUSE AS SOME SORT OF AVAILABLE EDUCATION CENTER.

BUT PREVIOUS TO THIS WE LOOKED AT IT, PEOPLE HAD TALKED ABOUT A WEDDING SITE OR OTHER THINGS.

BUT I THINK THIS URBAN AGRICULTURE, THE EXAMPLE THAT SUSTAINABILITY HAS ALREADY DONE, IS RIGHT

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AND I THINK THEY CAN EASILY MODIFY THE EXISTING CORRALS TO KEEP ANIMALS OUT AND STILL MAINTAIN THOSE KIND OF UNIQUE CORRALS, WHICH.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE CABLE IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE THESE HUGE POSTS WITH CABLES.

PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CABLES.

PROBABLY. PROBABLY FROM THE LOGGING? I THINK SO, YEAH.

HOW CAN WE KEEP UP TO DATE ON THIS PROJECT? I'LL KEEP GOING ON IT.

SO I LIVE VERY CLOSE.

SO THE DOG AND I, WE VISIT IT OFTEN.

SO HAPPY TO PROVIDE SUPPORT.

SO JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU NEED.

AND IT IS ON THE PARCEL.

THERE'S ONE PARCEL AND IT'S ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PARCEL.

SO WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS HAS GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GO UP THERE AND FACILITIES HAS GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO BOARD UP THE BUILDING WHEN IT GETS BROKEN INTO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WHEN YOU LEAVE A BUILDING TOTALLY OPEN, LIKE THE BARNS, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING TO THEM.

BUT IF YOU TRY TO BOARD SOMETHING UP, PEOPLE BREAK IN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THINK IS IN THERE.

NORTHERN ARIZONA PIONEERS HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

FLAGSTAFF'S OLDEST HISTORY ORGANIZATION RECEIVED AN INQUIRY FROM A GENTLEMAN IN OHIO WHO PAINTS BARNS, AND HE'S LOOKING FOR A STONE BARN IN EVERY STATE.

AND HE FOUND THAT ONE.

AND I WANDERED IN THERE AND TOOK PICTURES FOR HIM.

SO IT MAY END UP IN A BOOK.

SO I ASKED YOU FOR THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY TO SEND HIM BECAUSE HE WRITES UP AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF THE SITES.

ON MY LIST, AS I WOULD SAY.

HOW DID PUBLIC WORKS ACQUIRE THIS PARCEL? IF IT'S A SHORT STORY, BOY, IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE BOUGHT THE RANCH, BUT ACTUALLY WE DIDN'T BUY IT FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

WE BOUGHT IT FOR THE CLAY AVENUE WASH BASIN SO THAT LARGE STORMWATER BASIN TO THE NORTH OF THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD IS HOW WE HAVE BEEN MANAGING RUNOFF INTO CLAY AVENUE.

AND SO IT WAS TO MITIGATE FLOODING IN PLAZA VIEJA AND THE WESTERN ROUTE 66 NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I THINK WE BOUGHT IT WITH STORMWATER FUNDING.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD IS A MORE RECENT DECISION THAT WE'VE JUST DONE IN THE LAST, I THINK IT WAS 2015 OR 2014 THAT WE DID THE ZONING CASE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD AND BEGAN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, EXACTLY THE TIMING OF THAT PART OF IT.

IT'S BEEN IT WAS BEFORE COVID.

IT WAS A WHILE BEFORE COVID.

THERE'S BEFORE AND AFTER COVID.

IT WAS BEFORE COVID. BUT I THINK THE BASIN'S BEEN IN THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP SINCE AT LEAST THE EARLY 2000S.

I'D LIKE TO ASK. [INAUDIBLE] MARK, HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE ARBORETUM AT ALL? BECAUSE FRANCIS MCALLISTER, OF COURSE, STARTED THE ARBORETUM AND THAT WAS HER RANCH THAT SHE BOUGHT FROM SOMEONE BEFORE HER.

RIGHT. AND THERE THERE'S THERE WAS A LEVEL OF MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THIS THESE PROPERTIES WERE MOVED THEY WERE NOT.

BUT THE MAIN FAMILY HOUSE WAS DISASSEMBLED AND REASSEMBLED.

SO IT STILL EXISTS.

AND THAT WAS LOCATED AT THE TIMBER SKY AREA SO.

ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE ARBORETUM IN ANY WAY? I HAVE NOT SO.

BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO ANYONE.

AND THAT IS INTERESTING, THOUGH, THAT HOW BIG THAT RANCH WAS INCLUDED THE ARBORETUM, THAT'S HOW EXTENSIVE THAT ACREAGE WAS.

IT SEEMS THAT GETTING THAT HISTORIC DESIGNATION WILL BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THIS KIND OF USE IS NOT NECESSARILY OF HIGH VALUE AND WOULD.

COULD EASILY BE ANOTHER USE LIKE A LIKE SAY, FOR INSTANCE, A FREEWAY COULD TAKE PRIORITY SOME DAY.

SO IT SEEMS IMPORTANT TO THINK OF LONG TERM AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

AND AS FAR AS PUBLIC USE GOES, THE THEY'RE PROPOSING ACCESS TO OBSERVATORY MESA FURTHER TO THE WEST.

SO SOME PARKING AND ACCESS AND TRAIL ACCESS TO OBSERVATORY MESA, WHICH IS HARD TO IMAGINE AT THAT POINT, BUT IT DOES ACTUALLY CONNECT THERE THAT TRAIL

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COMMISSIONER HAYES. YES, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ADAPTIVE REUSE, AND I THINK IT'S KIND OF ALIGNS WITH WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS HISTORICALLY IN A WAY, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A WAY TO HELP SAVE IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. PART OF MY JOB, MARK.

AND IF YOU EVER NEED HELP WITH ARCHEOLOGY OR HERITAGE PRESERVATION THINGS, PLEASE COME TO THE ANTHROPOLOGY DEPARTMENT AT NAU.

I'M SURE WE COULD PROBABLY HOOK YOU UP WITH A GRADUATE STUDENT AS PART OF THEIR THESIS PROJECT TO WRITE THIS UP FOR THE REGISTER.

YEAH, ACTUALLY, I'LL CONNECT THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM WITH YOUR PROGRAM.

WE'RE TRYING TO STEAL THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM CURRENTLY, SO.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR UPDATES.

WE NOW WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7B.

[B. Election of a new Vice-Chair]

SO. YES.

SO WHEN THAT WAS PROPOSED, MY WORK SCHEDULE WAS JUST VERY UNPREDICTABLE.

AND I WAS IN PHENIX MOST OF OUR MEETINGS, SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS ABLE TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE IN ANY KIND OF RELIABLE WAY.

THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED.

HOWEVER, IF SOMEBODY FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT SERVING, I'M HAPPY.

BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO CONTINUE BECAUSE NOW I THINK I'LL BE ABLE TO BE IN PERSON.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE MOMENT IF SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THEY NEED THAT ROLE.

HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER TO.

I SEE A LOT OF ENTHUSIASTIC HEAD SHAKING OF NO.

SO I THINK WE CAN CANCEL THE ELECTION AND RETAIN COMMISSIONER DEA AS VICE CHAIR.

DOES THAT NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. OKAY. JUST CHECKING.

BUT ALSO, IF ANYONE REALLY WANTS TO BE CHAIR, THIS MICROPHONE IS PRETTY SWEET AND YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT YOURSELF FORWARD AS AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]

ONE IS I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TRANSOM WINDOWS AT THREE EAST ASPEN THAT WAS APPROVED IN MARCH 6TH MONTHS AGO, AND WE'RE HEADING INTO WINTER.

WHAT'S GOING ON? THAT'S THE SALON, RIGHT? THE YOGURT SHOP.

OH, OKAY. WE CAN REACH BACK OUT IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOUCH LATELY.

THANKS FOR THE REMINDER. THERE WAS SOMEONE IDENTIFIED TO DO THE WORK.

CORRECT. AND I HANDED THAT OVER TO SARA SO.

BUT. YEAH, I DON'T.

THE BUSINESS OWNER AND PROPERTY OWNER HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOUCH, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO REACH BACK OUT BECAUSE I THINK I AM THE ONE MANAGING THAT CASE.

SO LET ME LET ME DO THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER.

I WILL SEE IF THEY'RE THEY'RE READY TO SCHEDULE THE WORK OR IF THEY'RE RUNNING INTO OTHER ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GIVEN A YEAR AND IF THEY NEED A EXTENSION, WE CAN ALWAYS OFFER ANOTHER YEAR EXTENSION.

AND I CAN CARRY I HAVE THE FUNDS CARRIED OVER OR MARK CAN BY CRAIG IN OUR ECONOMIC VITALITY DIVISION.

SO WE'LL WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT ONE SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE MOVING A LITTLE SLOWER BUT.

THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY UNUSUAL.

SOMETIMES IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT WE ARE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN SEEING THEM BE SUCCESSFUL.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

I SAW IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA THERE WERE 16 MORE 207 WAIVERS APPROVED.

CAN MAP OR SOMETHING SHOWING US HOW MANY 207 WAIVERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO PROPERTIES IN OUR HISTORIC AREAS.

I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.

COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

YES. WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER GIS DATA ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THERE'S A PLACE IN THE ZONING CODE DATA WHERE WE'RE RECORDING.

THIS ONE HAS A 2007 WAIVER, AND THIS ONE DOES.

SO I THINK WE COULD PRODUCE THAT MAP.

WOULD YOU JUST BE INTERESTED IN TOWNSITE AND THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY OR ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS? OR WHAT KIND OF SCOPE OF MAPPING WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN JUST SO I'M BRINGING YOU THE RIGHT THING? I THINK THAT WE CERTAINLY ALL THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS OUTSIDE NORTH END TOWNSITE, ALL OF THEM DOWNTOWN, BUT IN GENERAL, EVERY AREA WITH

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HOW WE PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.

WE DO HAVE SOME MAPPING FROM WHAT I RECALL.

RIGHT. I THINK THAT JOE AND I CAN WORK WITH OUR ZONING CODE MANAGER, TIFFANY ANTOL, TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT DISPLAYED ACCURATELY.

SO LET US LET US PUT THAT ON THE TASK LIST.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, IT'S JUST VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE YOU WORKED SO HARD ON THAT CASE, THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING PLAN AND YOU INCLUDED SO MANY PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEN TO HAVE IT UNDERMINED IS DISTURBING.

I GUESS SOMETHING JUST CAME TO MIND THAT I AM TRACKING THE DOWNTOWN MILE AT EVERY INCH, EVERY MEETING. SO THEY'VE CERTAINLY DONE SOME OUTREACH TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

I JUST DID AN OUTREACH TO LA PLAZA VIEJA NEIGHBORHOOD, SO JUST TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WHAT IS TAKING PLACE AS FAR AS THE DOWNTOWN MILE GOES. AND I THINK THE ONE THAT PROBABLY IMPACTS LA PLAZA AND TOWNSITE THE MOST IS THE UNDERPASS FOR THAT THEY CALL THE FLOW NUT, WHICH IS FLORENCE WALNUT UNDERPASS SO.

COULD YOU HOLD MORE MEETINGS FOR MORE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY IT? YEAH. THANK YOU.

YEAH, BECAUSE ENGINEERING IS PROCEEDING AND AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY ALWAYS KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER AS A NEGATIVE IMPACT OR A POSITIVE IMPACT OR WHAT EXACTLY IT ENTAILS.

BUT THE PROJECT DOES GO ALL THE WAY FROM FROM OLD TOWN SPRINGS, WHERE THEY'RE MODIFYING SOME ASPECTS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A THIRD RAIL AND IT GOES PAST WHERE THE LONE TREE OVERPASS WILL BE.

SO IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PROJECT AND WE ARE WORKING WITH SHIPPO TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE REASONABLE COMPLIANCE.

MARK WE'VE BEEN I FEEL LIKE THINGS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE SLOW IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

FOR SOME REASON, THIS SUMMER HAS NOT HAD A TON OF CONSULTATIONS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON WITH THE DOWNTOWN MILE AND THE RIO DE FLAG.

SHOULD WE JUST PUT A STANDING CONSULT REPORT ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT AND THEN MARK CAN PREPARE KIND OF HIS MONTHLY NOTES ON IT AND GET IT TO YOU? WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN KIND OF PULLING THAT BECAUSE IT IS IT MOVES SLOWLY.

AND SO WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING IT UNDER CONSULTATIONS WHEN THERE'S ACTION.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE SOMETHING MORE REGULAR, LIKE JUST SOMETHING TO SAY, LIKE THIS WEEK WE HAD THIS MONTH WE HAD TEN MEETINGS AND THEY REALLY FOCUSED ON X OR Y.

WE CAN AND OF COURSE WE'D KEEP IT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SIDE OF THINGS TOO, AND WHAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH SHIPPO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THAT IS IT'S, IT'S VERY INFORMAL.

THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE FORMAL CONSULTATION INITIATED FOR THIS SET OF FEDERAL ACTIONS OR UNDERTAKINGS.

YEAH, THE BUT I THINK WE HAD THAT ON THE JULY AGENDA, DIDN'T WE? NO, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE.

BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE PUT THAT ON AS A STANDING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IF THAT IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

I SEE A LOT OF HEAD SHAKING YES.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMMISSION IS IN AGREEMENT.

ALSO, CAN YOU INCLUDE THE CHANGE FOR [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT? IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THAT WHOLE WEST SIDE AND OUR ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS, BIKES AND CARS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW.

I'M VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THAT ONE BECAUSE I ALMOST DIE EVERY SINGLE MORNING WHEN I COME TO WORK.

WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE A TECHNICAL PRESENTATION FROM THE ENGINEERING STAFF, I MEAN, WHAT MARK AND I ARE ABLE TO BRING, IF WE PUT ON A CONSULTATION ITEM, IS WHAT IS GOING ON WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

THOUGH MARK'S UP TO DATE ON THE DETAILS, IT'D PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE JEREMY OR CHRISTINE COME IF WE WANT TO HAVE BRIEFINGS ON SPECIFIC PARTS OF THE PROJECT.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE JUST TO TALK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE], WE WOULD ASK THEM TO COME AND HAVE A GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM FOR YOUR DISCUSSION JUST TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE AGENDA GOES TOGETHER.

SO CONSULTATION UNDER REPORTS JUST ON OUR PROCEDURES WOULD BE MARK TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SHIPPO AND THE FEDERAL AGENCIES AND DISCUSSING CLEARANCES.

AND IF WE WANTED SOMETHING LIKE CAN WE GET SOME INFORMATION ON THE DESIGN OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH [INAUDIBLE] AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT TOWN SITE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO REQUEST IN THE TO FROM SO WE CAN ORGANIZE HAVING AN ENGINEER PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

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SO WELL, IT ALSO THE UNDERPASS WAS A WPA PROJECT, I BELIEVE.

SO WHAT? IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW IF THE STAIRS ARE DISAPPEARING AND THE DETAILS, THE DESIGN DETAILS ON THE UNDERPASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S ALL FRA.

IT'S ALL FEDERAL RAILROAD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT WAS BEING DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

IT WAS BEING PROPOSED AS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

IT'S NOW ALL PART OF THE DOWNTOWN MILE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.

THE FLORENCE WALNUT UNDERPASS.

SO LET ME GET SOMETHING BETTER AGENDIZED FOR NEXT MONTH RATHER THAN HAVING US GET INTO DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE HISTORIC ELEMENTS TO THE UNDERPASS AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN RAILROAD BRIDGE ACROSS MILTON? YEAH. OKAY.

SO WHAT I WHAT I WROTE DOWN COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, JUST SO I KEEP IT, IS YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING STAFF COME TALK ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] 66 INTERSECTION AND THE MILTON BRIDGE PORTIONS OF IT.

AND WOULD YOU LIKE US TO LIKE AND MAYBE MARK CAN CO-PRESENT SOME OF WHAT HOW THAT RELATES TO THE SECTION 106 REGULATIONS.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING.

OKAY. COLTON PARK, ALL THOSE THINGS.

EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN SHOWN IS AVOIDANCE.

SO. WE'LL SEE AS ENGINEERING PROGRESSES AND DECISIONS ARE MADE SO.

IF I COULD JUST ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

IS ARE THERE THIRD TRACKS ON EITHER SIDE OF DOWNTOWN ALREADY AND THEY'RE ADDING IT FOR THAT SECTION WHICH WAS DIDN'T GET ONE? OR WHY ARE THEY PUTTING A THIRD TRACK IN THE MOST BUILT UP HISTORIC AREA? IS THERE LIKE A REASON LIKE CONNECTING TO OTHER TRACKS? SO COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER SO I'M MAKING AN AGENDA POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO FROM IS I CAN WRITE THAT DOWN AS A QUESTION, BUT I'D RATHER AGENDIZE IT.

SO JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT I WILL GET THE RIGHT ANSWER SO.

AND I HAD NO IDEA ANY OF THIS WAS HAPPENING.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER ITEMS OF WHAT IS THIS CALLED MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO OR FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? I HAVE SOME STAFF ONES.

OH, YES. THANK YOU SARA.

IF THERE'S NO MORE THE.

SO, FIRST OF ALL, JORDAN HOLLINGER, WHO'S JOINING US REMOTELY TODAY, HIS LAST DAY WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WILL BE OCTOBER 6TH.

HE'S TAKEN A NEW POSITION AT THE CENTRAL MASSACHUSETTS REGIONAL PLANNING AUTHORITY AND HAS A LONG MOVE IN OCTOBER.

SO FEEL FREE TO SEND HIM FAREWELLS IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

HE'S BEEN TAKING OUR NOTES AND HELPING OUT AS THE SUBSTITUTE LIAISON WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND TONIGHT, JOE O'CONNELL, WHO'S OUR FEDERAL WORK STUDY INTERN AND IS A SENIOR AT NAU, IS GOING TO HELP FILL SOME OF THOSE GAPS.

AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE ADVERTISING JORDAN'S POSITION ON FRIDAY.

THAT'S MY GOAL. CONGRATULATIONS, JORDAN, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.

AND THANK YOU, JOE, FOR HELPING OUT AND JOINING US HERE.

AND THEN MY SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT IS I'M SEEKING SOME CLARIFICATION CHAIR DALE FROM THE FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I THINK I HAVE LEARNED THAT WHEN WE FINALIZE MINUTES.

SO LIKE TONIGHT, WHEN YOU ALL APPROVE MINUTES THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BRING YOU A HARD COPY AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.

DID NOT KNOW THAT WAS A STEP.

SO APOLOGIES.

I'M LEARNING A NEW THING AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

BUT I NEED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

SO DON'T BE SURPRISED IF AT THE NEXT MEETING I'M BRINGING YOU A LITTLE PACKET OF JULY AND SEPTEMBER TO SIGN AND I'LL PROBABLY BRING THEM IN SMALL BUNDLES.

BUT IS IT JUST SPECIFICALLY ME OR EVERYONE? IT SAYS THE CHAIR OR THE VICE CHAIR.

OKAY. LIKE IT'S ANOTHER THING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST SIGN THE MINUTES.

OKAY. BECAUSE I'M LIKE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? IF WE'RE LIKE, IS THERE A CERTAIN TIME FRAME IN WHICH THESE NEED TO BE SIGNED? LIKE IF I'M REMOTE ONE MONTH, LIKE IS THAT OKAY? NO, I THINK IT'S OKAY.

I THINK AS LONG MY SENSE IS IT'S NOT TIME URGENT.

BUT I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WHEN I WHEN I STARTED WORKING WITH YOU ALL AS A COMMISSION, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE COVID.

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SO I FEEL FUNNY THAT WE'RE ALMOST TO 2024 AND THEN THERE WAS COVID AND NO ONE TOLD US THIS.

AND NOW THREE YEARS LATER, WE'RE RELEARNING THINGS.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SIGN THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BACK IN PERSON ALMOST, ALMOST COMPLETELY, MUCH MORE THAN WE WERE LAST YEAR.

SO ANYWAYS, I'M GOING TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT AND BE BACK WITH YOU.

BUT YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO BE SURPRISED.

I'M LIKE, HERE, SIGN THIS.

IT'S NOT SIGNING AWAY YOUR LIFE OR YOUR FIRST CHILD OR FEEL LIKE I'M SUCH A CELEBRITY.

YOU'RE ASKING FOR MY AUTOGRAPH, BUT IT HAS TO BE A PHYSICAL SIGNATURE, NOT A DIGITAL ONE.

OKAY? OTHERWISE YOU COULD JUST EMAIL ME AND I'D JUST SIGN THEM ALL.

YOUR SIGNATURE DOES LIVE FOREVER IN THE CITY ARCHIVES.

OH, SO SPECIAL.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO THAT'S.

I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OF MY VERY EXCITING UPDATES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THEN I ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 5:02 P.M..

THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.