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TODAY IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 12TH, 2023.
[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the City Council and to the general public that, at this work session, the City Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for discussion and consultation with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
WE ARE HERE FOR OUR TREATS.I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND GIVING YOU NOTICE THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AT THIS AT THIS RETREAT, WE MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS.
FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA.
CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL? MAYOR DAGGETT HERE.
I'M HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.
SO. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WOULD YOU LEAD US? I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
RESTAURANT OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.
THESE LANDS ARE STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS.
BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
GENERATIONS WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.
GREAT. CAN I TAKE IT AWAY, MAN? YES, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.
[4. City Council Retreat Water, Reclaimed Water, and Wastewater Cost-of-Service, Rate and Fee Study Priority Based Budgeting Objectives Refresh High Performing Governance Citizen Petitions and FAIR Process City Council Initiative Fund]
MORNING. MORNING. MORNING.WELCOME TO YET ANOTHER RETREAT.
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE RETREATS, WE TRY TO DO THESE FOR 4 OR 5 TIMES A YEAR.
MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT BUDGET, BUT TYPICALLY IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.
WE USUALLY STRUCTURE A RETREAT THAT IS NOT ALL ABOUT BUDGET, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE.
SO WE HAVE A NICE SAMPLING OF TOPICS TODAY.
WE'LL BE JUMPING BACK AND FORTH ON VARIOUS ITEMS TODAY.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION.
AND JUST A REMINDER THESE RETREATS, YOU KNOW WE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FORMALITY TO THESE.
WE LIKE TO KEEP THEM A LITTLE BIT INFORMAL.
AND I'LL INTRODUCE HER IN JUST A MOMENT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMALITY MEANS IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE ON THE FLY. IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT SAID, WE DO HAVE MICROPHONES IN THE CENTER OF THE U-SHAPED ARRANGEMENT UP HERE, AND THESE ARE STILL IN TERMS OF AUDIO, CORRECT.
WE DON'T HAVE MICROPHONES ELSEWHERE IN THE ROOM.
CORRECT? OKAY. NOT YET, NOT YET.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DO ASK BECAUSE THIS WILL BE RECORDED, THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, THAT IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, FIND YOUR WAY SOMEWHERE UP IN PROXIMITY TO THE MICROPHONES, THEY'LL THEY'LL PICK YOU UP HERE, BUT NOT IN THE BACK OR FOR THOSE AT THE TABLE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE HAVE SOME FOOD AND BEVERAGE IN THE BACK, RESTROOMS OUT NEAR THE LOBBY THERE.
WANT TO THANK REBECCA AND ALL WHO HELPED PUT THIS VENUE TOGETHER FOR THIS RETREAT? YEAH. PLEASE PASS ON OUR THANKS AND STACEY.
AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ORCHESTRATE THIS.
UM, AND ALSO TAKE NOTE OF THE FLAGS THAT WE NOW HAVE.
WHAT A GREAT ADDITION TO THE ROOM.
IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE COME TO THE AQUAPLEX SOMETHING NEW, BUT REALLY GETTING DIALED IN.
IT'S NICE TO GET AWAY FROM CITY HALL EVERY NOW AND THEN AND FIND OURSELVES IN A VENUE SUCH AS THIS.
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SOMETIMES WE'RE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS VENUE, WONDERFUL VENUES TO RETREAT IN.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION WITH A NEW MEMBER OF THE LANCASTER LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND I'M MAKING THIS INTRODUCTION A LITTLE BIT FROM A SCRIPT HERE, AND I'M DOING IT WITHOUT READING GLASSES.
JUDY TINCHER IS A CERTIFIED COACH, FACILITATOR, ORGANIZATIONAL STRATEGIST, AND TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE THAT SHE EXCELS AT HELPING CLIENTS TUNE INTO THEIR LEADERSHIP STYLE AND TAKE PRACTICAL AND APPLICABLE ACTION.
HAVING AN AFFILIATION WITH THE ARIZONA CONSERVATION CORPS.
INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONSERVATION LEGACY WHICH YOU ARE SHARING WITH ME.
UH, LET'S SEE, A COMPANY OR NONPROFIT GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP SPANNING 15 YEARS.
SHE'S AND ALSO SHE'S A CERTIFIED EMT.
AND WE WERE SHARING SOME STORIES THERE, AND YOU GET AROUND QUITE A BIT WITH THAT SKI PATROL AND I'M SURE, UM, ALSO WITH MOUNTAIN BIKE SKILLS COACH AND CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN A COACHING MASTERY PROGRAM SPECIALIZING IN I'M GOING TO GET THIS WRONG NEURO-LINGUISTIC PROGRAMING AND NEUROPLASTICITY OR MINDSET AND PERFORMANCE EXCELLENCE.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? THAT'S A MOUTHFUL.
UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE JUDY WITH US TODAY AND LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE RICH EXCHANGE AND DIALOG THAT WILL FOLLOW. AND SHE COMES HERE QUITE CREDENTIAL WITH MANY SKILLS.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER.
CAN WE GIVE HER A GREAT MORNING APPLAUSE.
FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS KNOW ME PRETTY WELL.
AND IF YOU PICKED UP SOMETHING, I LIKE TO STAY BUSY.
AND I WANT TO OFFER THAT TO YOU TODAY IN THIS COUNCIL RETREAT.
FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT SOME NOTES FROM LAST YEAR.
SO, COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO REVIEW THESE BRIEFLY, SILENTLY AND THINK.
WHICH OF THESE FROM THAT LAST RETREAT IS SHOWING UP FOR ME THE MOST? HOW AM I DOING WITH THESE? PERSONALLY? FEEL FREE TO CALL IT OUT.
SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWING UP FOR YOU FROM THAT LAST RETREAT THAT YOU'RE HOLDING ON TO.
THINK ONE THING. THINK OF IS WHEN I'M UP AT THE DESK.
IT'S LIKE THEY USED TO BE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UP AT THE PODIUM.
SO I NEVER THINK THAT I'M ANY BETTER THAN I WAS BEFORE.
THANKS FOR SHARING THAT. ONE MORE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
YES. HAND UP. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
I'LL MIRROR COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS JUST PUT IN THE CHAT.
LAVA. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MINE AS WELL.
I USED TO HAVE A ALLOTMENT OF QUESTIONS ASSIGNED TO ME AS A CHILD.
AND I'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO PUT THAT INTO PRACTICE.
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EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP LAVA COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ONE AGAIN TODAY, SO HOPEFULLY YOU BROUGHT IT RIGHT TO THE TOP OF OUR MINDS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FRESH, RIGHT? I WANT TO INVITE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MOVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME IN THIS FIRST ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITY, BUT WANT TO INVITE YOU TO STAND UP AND GET INTO PAIRS.
AND I KNOW WE'RE IN AN ODD NUMBER, SO WOULD ANY OTHER PARTICIPANTS OR WOULD ANYONE ELSE BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE FOR DANCING OR WHAT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DANCE, BUT YOU GUYS CAN GET UP IN PAIRS RIGHT ACROSS THAT BACK ROW.
WHAT'S THAT? OH, MAYBE I SHOULD DO IT.
NO. GREG LOVES THE LANCASTER LEADERSHIP ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.
SO PAIR UP AND THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE THOROUGH.
BUT I'M GOING TO INVITE PERSON A TO FACE THE SCREEN.
AND PERSON B, YOUR JOB IS TO GET SOME NOTE PAPER OR SCRAP PAPER YOU'RE GOING TO.
YOUR JOB IS GOING TO BE TO IMPLEMENT A TASK.
SO PERSON B YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN.
SO GO AHEAD AND GET BACK TO BACK.
PERSON B CANNOT SEE THE SCREEN.
GOOD. RIGHT NOW THE SCREEN SAYS CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY SOMETHING OUT.
SO PERSON A WHO'S PERSON A YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN.
ALL RIGHT. PERSON A IMAGINE YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR.
AND YOUR JOB IS TO GET PERSON B TO PERFECTLY REPLICATE WHAT'S ON THE NEXT SCREEN.
GO. YOU DO THIS VERBALLY? YES. YEP, YEP. WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS.
ALL RIGHT. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
WE WANT TO GET A GOOD REPLICA OF WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.
WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER COUPLE SECONDS.
HERE. PUT THIS FINISHING TOUCHES ON PERSON A, GO AHEAD AND GIVE.
NO LOOKING, NO LOOKING AT THEIRS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. STOP! KIRSTEN B SHOW THE PICTURE TO PERSON A PERSON A THE SUPERVISOR.
PERSON DO, DID THEY? THEY NAILED IT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
OKAY. I SEE TWO WINGS INSTEAD OF ONE.
WHO LEADS INSTEAD OF ONE? HOW ABOUT. OKAY, OKAY.
WHAT'D YOU LEARN? PERSON A ABOUT GIVING INSTRUCTIONS.
SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S A DRAWING AND NOT TEXT.
OKAY. IT'S A DRAWING, NOT TEXT.
COUNCIL MEMBER. ASHLEY GIVING INSTRUCTIONS.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN? HOW DID MAYOR DAGGETT? WELL, I LEARNED THAT WE COME FROM A SHARED SET OF EXPERIENCES WHERE THE CONTEXT OF MY STATEMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I HEARD YOU SAY.
ONE OF THESE A DAY. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS HAD THAT SHARED EXPERIENCE.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S SWITCH IT UP.
PERSON B YOU'RE GOING TO NOW BE THE SUPERVISOR AND GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO THE OTHER PERSON.
SO YEAH YOU'LL NEED YOU'LL NEED A PIECE OF PAPER.
OKAY SOMETIMES. BUT AFTER LISTENING TO.
ALL RIGHT, THE COUNTDOWN IS ON.
ONE. LET'S HAVE PERSON A LOOK OR LET'S, LET'S SHARE THE REPLICAS AND SEE HOW YOU DID.
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OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.SO HOW DID YOUR SECOND ATTEMPT GO? WAS IT BETTER OR WORSE OR THE SAME? BETTER. YOUR BIGFOOT.
ALL RIGHT. UM. COUNCIL MEMBER.
YOU CAN TURN BACK AROUND AND HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.
WAS DRAWING A BEAR VERY POORLY.
YEAH, A BEAR, BUT THAT WAS MY SECOND THOUGHT.
OKAY, THIS WAS YOUR SECOND THOUGHT.
INVITE YOU BACK TO YOUR SEATS AND JUST JUST LOOK AT, UM, HOW CLEAR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON CAN FACTOR IN. DID ANYONE SAY, UM, DRAW AN APPLE? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. BUT DID YOU WERE CLOSE WITH ONE A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY.
PEOPLE THE LIBERALS DIDN'T GIVE US.
OH, WE COULD HAVE SAID DROP AN APPLE WITH ONE LEAF.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE RULES THAT DIDN'T GIVE YOU.
SO GETTING A HOLD OF THE RULES CAN CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL.
UM. WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION, BUT WE WANT TO WANT TO SET YOU UP WITH THIS.
AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY USE THESE.
THE FIRST TIME WITH MY WIFE ALL THE TIME.
WAIT. DO YOU DO IT THE GOOD WAY OR THE BAD WAY? I TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
OH, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW.
YOU'RE READING. LET ME ZIP DOWN TO THE LAST ONE AS A FINAL THOUGHT.
HOW DOES THIS LISTENER AUDIENCE LEARN BEST? AND SO FINDING OUT WHAT YOUR PERSON B, OR THE PERSON WHO CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN NEEDS CAN CERTAINLY HELP GET A GOOD RESULT.
THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I WANT TO INVITE AARON YOUNG AND THE SAND TECH CREW UP TO TALK.
GREAT. IT'S OUR FIRST DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT IS KIND OF A NINE MONTH PROCESS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS THOUGHTFULLY AND PROVIDE ENOUGH TIME TO THINK AND ASK QUESTIONS, AND FOR US TO COME BACK WITH MEANINGFUL INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WATER, WASTEWATER, RECLAIMED WATER RATE DISCUSSION.
SO WITH US, WE HAVE STANTEC AND WE'RE SO GLAD YOU CAN MAKE IT IN PERSON.
UM, SO DID I MISS ANYTHING IN AN INTRO? SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.
THAT'S AN EXERCISE. WE JUST WENT.
THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE, I THINK YOU CAN RELAX.
DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT OR DO YOU WANT TO DIVE IN BEFORE THE POWERPOINT? YEAH. GUESS ONE.
THINKING OF CLEAR EXPECTATIONS.
OUR EXPECTATION TODAY IS TO HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS, AND WE'LL COME BACK AT THAT JOINT WATER COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 23RD, WHERE WE HOPE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM YOU ON KIND OF ONE FINANCIAL PLAN FOR EACH OF THE THREE FUNDS.
AND I THINK THAT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE ONCE ANDY SHARES THE INTRO TO HIS PRESENTATION.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
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BREAK FOR DISCUSSION.PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME.
I DON'T HAVE A PREPARED SCRIPT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THROW ME OFF.
SO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH JUST KIND OF A COUPLE OF FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS FOR THE RATE STUDY THAT FEED INTO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING, PARTICULARLY ABOUT JUST THE ADEQUACY OF THE REVENUE STREAMS OF THOSE THREE SERVICES WATER, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, WATER TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE SERVICES WITH OPERATING AS WELL AS CAPITAL, AND THEN TALK THROUGH SOME OPTIONS, PUT IN SOME BENCHMARKING, AND PUT SOME CONTEXT AROUND WHAT THESE THINGS MAY LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER IMPACTS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONTINUED COMMUNICATIONS AND UPDATES RELATIVE TO PROGRESS ON THE STUDY.
WE WANT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE AND WHAT TO EXPECT AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THAT, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT OF THIS IN TERMS OF INVOLVING YOUR STAKEHOLDERS.
AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TODAY IS THAT TASK TWO, LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL PLANS, TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE STATUS QUO, AND THEN LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE DIRECTION UPON RELATIVE TO EACH OF THESE THREE SERVICES AND LATER CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE THEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANS.
WE TAKE, THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE PROPORTIONALLY AND FAIRLY ALLOCATED TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AS PART OF A COST OF SERVICE AND RATE DESIGN ANALYSIS.
SO THOSE WILL BE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS.
AND REALLY THIS COMES BACK TO REALLY STRATEGY NUMBER TWO FROM PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, FROM INVOLVING STAKEHOLDERS THROUGH PAST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE CONTEMPLATED AND INCLUDED IN THIS RATE STUDY.
SO TODAY WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT STRATEGY.
WE'RE OPTIMIZING THE FINANCIAL MECHANISMS. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ITEMS IN OUR PLANS.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON TODAY AS WE COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT COST OF SERVICE ALLOCATIONS, RATE STRUCTURE, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF WAYS THAT WE ALLOCATE COST TO HAVE FAIR, EQUITABLE, DEFENSIBLE RATES, AND THEN ALSO HOW WE CAN MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME OF OUR OBJECTIVES INTO THE PRICING STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF ENHANCING CONSERVATION AWARENESS, PROMOTING AFFORDABILITY, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO THESE THREE SCENARIOS WE DID FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAME SCENARIOS JUST WITH DIFFERENT NUMBER OF RESULTS FOR EACH OF THE ENTERPRISES.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE CALLED THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR CPI SCENARIO, WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, THEY TRACK ABOUT 200 DIFFERENT GOODS AND SERVICES.
BUT ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS ACTUALLY WATER AND SEWER COSTS.
AND SO THAT PARTICULAR INDEX HAS GONE UP ON AVERAGE AT ABOUT 5% PER YEAR.
IF YOU LOOK BACK OVER AT 20 AND 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD.
AND EVEN RECENTLY IT SUPPORTS THAT LEVEL.
SO THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL NEXT SEPTEMBER.
JUST TO SAY, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ANNUAL INFLATIONARY INDEXING, JUST TO KEEP UP WITH ANTICIPATED INCREASES IN COST GOING FORWARD FOR OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL? YOU HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MET OUR TARGETS IN TERMS OF FUND BALANCES, AS WELL AS FUNDING OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKING SURE WITHIN SOME OF OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES.
THE SECOND OPTION IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF TERMED A SMOOTH CATCH UP, AND IT REALLY RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THE LAST RATE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU HAD FOR THESE UTILITIES WAS ACTUALLY THINK IN JANUARY OF 2020.
AND SO AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THAT ALL AT ONCE, THIS OPTION LOOKS AT WHAT THAT AMOUNT OF INFLATION HAS BEEN OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND SPREADS THAT OUT OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND RETURNS TO INFLATIONARY INDEXING ADJUSTMENTS IN THIS SCENARIO.
AGAIN, ALL THE WHILE TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET OUR RESERVE FUND BALANCE TARGETS, COVER OUR OPERATIONS BUDGETS, BUT MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT WE CAN FUND UNDER EITHER OF THOSE TWO SCENARIOS.
AND THE THIRD SCENARIO SAYS, WELL, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO FUND THE NEEDS THAT OUR STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FOR OUR APPROVED CAPITAL PROGRAM? ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS NEEDS FROM OUR MASTER, PLANS FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT, AS WELL AS OTHER UNFUNDED PROJECTS.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO FUND ALL OF THOSE NEEDS? SO WE TRY TO GIVE YOU A RANGE OF OPTIONS AND SPECTRUMS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE IN TERMS OF DECISION ALTERNATIVES YOU HAVE FOR CAPITAL SPENDING AND RATES TO HELP FACILITATE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEPS OF THE RATE STUDY.
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SO BEHIND EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS ARE COMMON ASSUMPTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS.WE'VE ASSUMED THE SAME RESERVE TARGETS EQUAL TO 90 DAYS OF OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.
WE'VE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD RATIO OF OUR ANNUAL NET INCOME.
SO OUR REVENUES MINUS OPERATING EXPENSES, THAT NET INCOME TO DEBT SERVICE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 1.2, IDEALLY 1.25 TIMES OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE EXPENSES FOR THE OUTSTANDING DEBT. FOR THE OPERATING EXPENSES.
AS WELL AS INCLUDING OPERATING CAPITAL FOR THINGS LIKE PUMP REPLACEMENTS, FLEET REPLACEMENTS, THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY NEED TO FACTOR IN IN TERMS OF ONGOING OPERATIONAL PROGRAM FOR UTILITIES.
WE'VE INCLUDED COST ESCALATION FACTORS 3.5% FOR MOST ITEMS, EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ELEVATED AT HIGHER RATES OF INCREASE, NOT JUST LATELY, BUT HISTORICALLY. CHEMICALS, UTILITIES, MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.
THOSE ARE FORECAST AT A 6% INCREASE ON TOP OF THE 24 BUDGET GOING FORWARD.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE INFLATION ON THE CAPITAL COSTS THAT WE HAVE FOR ALL SCENARIOS.
FOR EACH OF THE FUNDS. WE'VE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES, RATE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, ANY AVAILABLE FUND BALANCES, ANY REVENUE FROM OTHER FEES AND CHARGES AND CAPACITY FEES LOOKED AT, GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, LOOKED AT DEBT FINANCING FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT.
DOLLARS HAVE A LONGER USEFUL LIFE THAT ARE RECURRING ANNUAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND ON.
SO WE TRIED TO APPLY A VERY OPTIMIZED FUNDING SOURCES TO ALL OF THESE FUNDS AS WELL.
GRANT FUNDING. YOU CAN SEE FOR THE PROJECT LIST THAT WE HAVE AND THIS IS IN THE SUPPORTING PACKET.
THERE'S SHEETS FOR EACH OF THE FUNDS THAT SHOW THE CAPITAL THAT I'LL GO INTO.
AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A SECTION THAT SHOWS THE GRANT FUNDING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.
SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 26 MILLION FOR WATER AND ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR WATER FOR GRANT FUNDING PROJECTS.
THE GRANDSON. IS THAT JUST A A HOPEFUL OR DO WE.
DO WE HAVE GRANTS IDENTIFIED THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR.
SO THINK IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.
THINK CERTAIN PROJECTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE LIKELY TO RECEIVE GRANTS BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAMS, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN SOME CASES A SURE THING LIKE THE RECLAIMED WATER, THE ASPHALT PROJECT.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT IF WE GET THE GRANT, WE'LL DO IT.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.
WE HAVE NOT FACTORED IN THE WILDCAT HILL TREATMENT PLANT DESIGN AND EXPANSION.
SO THOSE ARE NOT IN THE BASELINE SCENARIOS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IN THE PAST, HOW MUCH OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS HAS BEEN FUNDED BY GRANTS AND HOW MUCH BY REVENUE? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN OF MY HEAD.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE.
AT LEAST OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS IT HAS NOT BEEN A HIGH PERCENTAGE.
THE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? SO IT HASN'T BEEN A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF GRANTS FUNDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THERE WASN'T A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR GREENS UNTIL RECENTLY.
FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECT TYPES THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.
SO HOW HAVE THEY BEEN FUNDED? UH, THROUGH OUR RATES AND CAPACITY FEES AND THAT ISSUE.
SO OUR FUNDING MECHANISMS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
SO I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY ON THE WATER SIDE ARE LOOKING AT MORE GRANTS, I WOULD SAY, THAN WHAT YOU'VE HISTORICALLY HAD AVAILABLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY. THANK YOU.
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YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THROUGHOUT THE ANALYSIS FOR ALL THREE OF THE FUNDS, I THINK PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATION OUTSIDE OF JUST THE CURRENT INFLATION THAT WE'VE BEEN IMPACTED WITH ON THE OPERATING SIDE IS THE CAPITAL PLANS.AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS REALLY TRIED TO BREAK THIS DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE WE'VE PUT IN THE PACKET THE SEPARATE SHEETS THAT SHOW YOU FOR EACH MONTH FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER, KIND OF THE DIFFERENT COMPARTMENTALIZATION OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.
SO WE STARTED WITH IMPROVED, WHICH IS REALLY CONFORMS TO THE ANTICIPATED REVENUES FROM PAST PROJECTIONS UNDER THE CURRENT RATES BASED UPON A CERTAIN SET OF ASSUMPTIONS.
SO FOR WATER YOU CAN SEE THE ANNUAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT $13.1 MILLION OVER THIS TEN YEAR TIME PERIOD.
THAT'S ABOUT 130 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER.
IT'S ABOUT 8.7 MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT 87 MILLION OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD.
AND FOR RECLAIMED, IT'S ONLY ABOUT HALF A MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT $5 MILLION PER TEN YEAR PERIOD.
WHEN YOU ADD IT WITH WHAT'S APPROVED.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED FROM PAST PLANS.
AND SO WHEN YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER, THE APPROVED ACROSS THOSE OTHER PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD SAY, WELL, INSTEAD OF 13 MILLION A YEAR FOR CAPITAL TO BE ABOUT 20 MILLION, SO OVER TEN YEARS, THAT'D BE ABOUT 100 OR 200 MILLION FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.
FOR WASTEWATER, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $10 MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT 100 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS.
AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROJECTS OVER AND ABOVE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT, AGAIN, ARE INCLUDED IN THE LISTING AS UNFUNDED PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE.
AND THEN FOR RECLAIMED REPRESENTS ABOUT ANOTHER $35 MILLION.
AND SO WITH THESE SHEETS TOGETHER AS KIND OF A SUPPORTING HANDOUT TO REFER TO TODAY, SO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU SEE HOW MUCH CAPITAL CAN BE FUNDED, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THESE RESPECTIVE CATEGORIES.
SO THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSING IMPROVEMENTS AT WILDCAT, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES, FOR THE WASTEWATER SIDE, REPLACING HEADWORKS ROOFS, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, ALL THESE THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THE FACILITY AS IT, YOU KNOW, THOSE COMPONENTS REACH THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
AND SO I MENTIONED THAT THE CAPITAL SCENARIO.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK STARKLY OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST HERE WITH THE DATA THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM, BUT JUST THE COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH ACROSS THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT ARIZONA AS WELL, BUT ALSO JUST NATIONALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT, UNPRECEDENTED INCREASES IN COSTS THAT REALLY GO BACK TO THINK ABOUT THE LAST RATE INCREASE THAT YOU HAD IN 2020.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF PIPE THAT'S RISEN 132%, THE COST OF PLASTIC PIPE FOR ALL THAT UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, 132% JUST SINCE JANUARY OF 2020. AND IF YOU LOOK AT CHEMICALS, THE INDEX ITSELF HAS GONE UP 31%.
SO THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL PARTS OF THE EXPENSE REQUIREMENTS FOR UTILITY SYSTEMS. IF YOU WERE DOING THE STUDY BACK HERE, I CAN ALMOST ASSURE YOU, WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR FORECASTING, YOU DID NOT FORECAST COSTS TO GO UP LIKE THAT.
NO. NOBODY DID. THESE ARE UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS OF INFLATION.
AND THAT'S REALLY SOME OF WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE WITH YOUR SYSTEMS IS THAT WE'RE HAVING CHALLENGES PAYING FOR THOSE CAPITAL NEEDS, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE ACUTE OPERATIONAL COST INFLATION AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
SO THIS IS ALL FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE ECONOMIC DATA.
AND THEY SHOW BOTH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE TRENDS WERE PRETTY LINEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES AND CITIES MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK. AND IF THEY HAD SPECIAL TAX INCREMENT FINANCING MECHANISMS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXTENDED, THEY HAD TO INCREASE BECAUSE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE INCREASES IN COST, THAT SAME DOLLAR, SAME MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN USING FOR CAPITAL, NOW IT'S ONLY GOING TO TAKE YOU HALF AS FAR AS WHAT IT USED TO BE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE
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IN COST. SO THESE PRESSURES AND AS I GET INTO SOME OF THE BENCHMARKING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE INCREASES THAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME SIMILAR TRENDS HERE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS.SO ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION POINTS ON KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE ASSUMPTIONS AND DRIVERS BEFORE WE START GOING INTO EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE. SO WE KNOW THE QUESTIONS ONLINE.
OKAY GREAT. ALL RIGHT SO LET'S GET INTO THE WATER SPECIFIC.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO DO IS MODEL THE STATUS QUO.
SO LET'S TAKE THE CURRENT REVENUES APPLY GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS TO THOSE.
PROJECT OUT YOUR REVENUES BASED ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.
TAKE YOUR CURRENT OPERATING EXPENSES.
FACTOR IN THE IDENTIFIED NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR INFLATION, MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT OPERATIONAL CAPITAL INCLUDED IN THAT, AS WELL AS ONE TIME REQUESTS, OTHER CARRY FORWARD ITEMS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST PLAY THIS FORWARD, TAKE THE APPROVED CIP, JUST SAY WHAT IS THE ADEQUACY OF OUR REVENUES? WHICH ARE THESE LIGHT BLUE BARS ON THE LEFT TO MEET OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS? IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE APPROVED SIP AND THE BASE OPERATING BUDGET AS WE'VE ADJUSTED IT.
AND TO SEE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE OVER TIME.
AND THEN TAKE OUR AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS THIS RED LINE.
THIS IS THE FUND BALANCE EXCLUDING CAPACITY RELATED FUND BALANCE.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR BASICALLY YOUR AVAILABLE RESERVES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY TIED FOR CAPACITY.
AND THEN SAY, WELL, BASED UPON THE REVENUE AND EXPENSES, HOW DOES THIS PLAY FORWARD.
BUT THE BLUE BAR THE BAR STAYS PRETTY STEADY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE 1% GROWTH ASSUMPTION IN OUR REVENUES, NO RATE INCREASE ASSUMPTIONS.
SO WE CAN KIND OF GENERALLY SEE THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT A $5 MILLION ANNUAL FUNDING GAP JUST TO ADDRESS THE APPROVED SIP, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE INFORMED PROJECTS AS WELL.
AND SO IN THIS FORECAST, WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY BE OUT OF FUND BALANCE IN 2026.
SO WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN WE'RE TAKING IN.
WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE THEN STARTED LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS THAT MENTIONED THOSE SCENARIOS.
WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, IF WE STARTED INDEXING OUR RATES AGAIN, NOT IN 24, BUT STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 25 AND WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, IS THE ASSUMPTION AND GO AT 5%.
HOWEVER, IF YOU RECALL, OUR APPROVED FOR WATER IS ABOUT 130.
SO THIS DOESN'T EVEN FULLY FUND THE APPROVED CAP FOR THAT SCENARIO.
IF WE DID THAT SMOOTH CATCH UP SCENARIO WHERE WE TAKE THE CPI INCREASES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE YOUR LAST RATE ADJUSTMENT, AND THEN ADD THAT ON TOP OF THIS, SPREAD IT OUT. IT'S ABOUT 18% IS THE NUMBER.
THAT WOULD GET US TO $150 MILLION CAPITAL FUNDING.
BUT THAT'S STILL LESS THAN ABOUT THE $200 MILLION OF APPROVED PLUS INFORMED CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, IF WE JUST DID THE FULL FUNDING OF THE CIP FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, WHAT WOULD BE THE LEVEL OF INCREASE IN NEEDED TO FUND THAT FULL $208 MILLION? AND SO THE PLAN THAT WE IDENTIFIED HERE WAS 20% FOR TWO YEARS, 1510.
AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO GO BEYOND THAT JUST WITH THE SUSTAINED INDEXING ADJUSTMENTS.
SO THE BOTTOM SCENARIO, THIS COULD BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY.
WE STILL NEED THE SAME OVERALL RATE INCREASES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO EQUALIZE IT 15% A YEAR, MAYBE DO 20 HERE, 15 HERE, AND THEN 12.5 HERE, YOU COULD YOU COULD MASSAGE THE RATE PLAN A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE COULDN'T DO THIS FULL CAPITAL PLAN.
WE EXTEND THESE INCREASES OUT BEYOND THIS FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.
WHEN WE LOOK AT IF WE WERE TO SAY, APPLY THOSE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD TO YOUR EXISTING RATE STRUCTURE, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN TO A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL? SO BASED ON 4000 GALLONS, WHICH IS YOUR AVERAGE? SO THAT 5% A YEAR SCENARIO FOR THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX WOULD BE ABOUT $1.50 TO $1.88 ON MONTHLY BILL FOR WATER SERVICE.
SMOOTH CATCH UP WOULD BE ABOUT 262 TO 362.
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AND THEN THAT FULL FUNDING SCENARIO, IT'S ABOUT $6 ON AVERAGE TO THAT MONTHLY UTILITY BILL OVER THAT FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.AND THEN THESE ARE THE CUMULATIVE ADDS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORECAST PERIOD BEYOND 2029.
THIS IS THE 150 MILLION IN THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.
AND THIS IS THE FULL FUNDING WITHOUT ANY INFLATION.
YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR APPROVED.
CIP WE REALLY CAN'T FUND THAT.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE CPI SCENARIO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPROVED PLUS INFORM, IT'S OVER $200 MILLION.
WE REALLY CAN'T FUND ALL OF THAT WITH THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.
SO EACH OF THESE THREE OPTIONS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME HARD CHOICES RELATIVE TO CAPITAL SPENDING.
THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT ARE ATTENDANT WITH THE CATCH KETCHUPS.
SO WE KIND OF JUST LAID OUT THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES FOR THE CAPITAL PROGRAM BY YEAR.
JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE FLUCTUATE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON AVERAGE IS A LITTLE OVER 10 MILLION A YEAR.
AND THEN IN THE SCENARIO AGAIN, WE'RE HOVERING AROUND 10 MILLION A YEAR FROM THAT 26 PERIOD ON OUT.
THIS IS WHAT THOSE BILLS WOULD BE OVER A MULTI YEAR TIME PERIOD.
HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME UNDER EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, BUT THIS FOOTNOTE HERE IS PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE GET INTO THE COST ALLOCATION AND RATE DESIGN PHASE OF THE STUDY, WE'LL TAKE THE REVENUE NEEDS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN DO A COST ALLOCATION TO MAKE SURE IT'S DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS IN PROPORTION TO THE DEMANDS THAT THEY'RE PLACING ON THE SYSTEM AND THEIR SERVICE CHARACTERISTICS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US YET.
SO THEY MAY NOT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE PROJECTIONS HERE IN THESE CHARTS.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART, AND I HAVE, UM, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND MY WATER BILL IS ABOUT $1,800 A MONTH CURRENTLY, NOT 175.
UM, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THIS.
OKAY. YOU PUT. 30,000 GALLONS.
JUST IT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
I WISH MY BILL WAS 175 A MONTH.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT 30,000 GALLONS, THIS COULD BE MAYBE A RETAIL STORE.
BUT IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE 60 OR 70,000 GALLONS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CAR WASH OR SOMETHING ELSE, IT COULD BE 100, 150,000 GALLONS.
WE JUST TRIED TO GRAB A PRETTY TYPICAL EXAMPLE, BUT BY NO MEANS IS THAT GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERY COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW? SO THIS CHART REALLY REPRESENTS A SMALL RETAIL SHOP DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S MARX. YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY A VERY WATER INTENSIVE USER.
THAT'LL COME INTO THE COST ALLOCATION RATE DESIGN ANALYSIS.
COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE DETAILED IN CALCULATING NOT ONLY RATE STRUCTURES, BUT ALSO CUSTOMER IMPACTS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THIS FOR ALL CUSTOMERS THROUGH THE PROCESS, BECAUSE ANY POTENTIAL RATE STRUCTURE CHANGE MAY IMPACT CUSTOMERS DIFFERENTLY.
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AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DISSECT ALL YOUR BILLING DATA TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND.SO LASTLY, ON THE WATER SIDE DID MENTION WE HAVE SOME BENCHMARKING THAT WE'VE DONE.
YOU KNOW, ALSO GRAB SOME FROM JUST LOCALLY TO AN EXTENT.
YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE YEAR THESE ENTITIES, THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.
WE'RE DOING WORK ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY OF SURPRISE RATE STUDY WITH THEM.
AND WE DID A VERY MUCH JUST AN ARIZONA SURVEY AROUND THE PHENIX AREA.
AND ACTUALLY THE AVERAGE IN THAT SURVEY WAS ABOUT $31 AS WELL FOR WATER BILL.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY TYPICAL BILL LEVEL TODAY.
AND THE REASON I SAY TODAY IS BECAUSE MANY OF THESE AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT INCREASES GOING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A STUDY FOR SURPRISE RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS QUEEN CREEK.
ALSO, WE JUST FINISHED AN UPDATE FOR TEMPE.
AND THEN 12% AND THEN 10% IS THE CURRENT FORECAST.
WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR INCREASES BY EVEN FOR THE CITY OF PHENIX.
THAT'S NOT ON THE SURVEY, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THAT WITH THEM.
THEY JUST DID A 6.5% IN OCTOBER.
THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER SIX AND A HALF MARCH OF NEXT YEAR AND 13% AFTER THAT.
SO WE'RE SEEING THESE LEVELS OF ELEVATED INCREASES FOR MANY OF THESE AGENCIES.
IT'S CONSISTENT REALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING JUST EVEN OUTSIDE OF THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.
AND THE OPERATIONAL COST INFLATION IS JUST BURIED BACK.
SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF IMPACTS.
WE DID A COMMERCIAL COMPARISON AGAIN FOR THAT SAME BILL.
SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY ALL COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, BUT USING THAT COMMERCIAL BILL AT 30,000 GALLONS, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF SIMILARLY A LITTLE BIT OVER THE AVERAGE OF $211 THERE.
THAT CURRENT BILL IS ABOUT $170 FOR FLAGSTAFF.
SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE SIT ON THE WATER SYSTEM.
BECAUSE AS AARON MENTIONED, WE DO NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF START TO SOLIDIFY AROUND THE FINANCIAL PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASES OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE ALLOCATE THE COST TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AND HOW WE PRICE THE RATES.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY FOUNDATIONAL PIECE TO TO MOVE FORWARD FROM PRETTY QUICKLY.
OKAY. SO I'M GUESSING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
WHETHER THE WE CAN STRUCTURE THE FEES.
WHERE. THE GREATER BURDEN IS PUT ON THE HIGHER RESIDENTIAL USERS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE TIERED PROCESS.
FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO COVER.
TO BENEFIT AND TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND STEPPING UP THE RATES RATHER THAN PUTTING IT OFF FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND THEN SPRINGING SOMETHING ON THEM, I THINK IS MUCH MORE DESIRABLE.
AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT YOU DO HAVE THE CURRENT INCLINING BLOCK RATE STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL IN PLACE TODAY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS THE RATE DESIGN PHASE, ONE OF THE TASKS THAT'S UPCOMING TO SEE.
DOES THAT STRUCTURE STILL MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER USE IN EACH TIER, BUT THEN ALSO THE PRICING FOR EACH TIER, AND THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO LOOK AT HOW WE DO THOSE TIERS TO SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, AN ELEMENT OF A RATE STRUCTURE MODIFICATION THAT MAYBE DOES BENEFIT THE LOWER VOLUME USERS THAT MAY BE OFTENTIMES ARE THE SAME THAT HAVE STRUGGLES WITH THEIR UTILITY BILLS, BUT ALSO STILL HAS A TIE TO THE COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
AND SIMILARLY, LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND THE PRICES FOR THE SUBSEQUENT TIERS AS WELL.
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TRYING TO PRESERVE AFFORDABILITY AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD TIE FOR THOSE THAT ARE PLACING PEAK DEMANDS ON THE SYSTEM AS HIGHER DEMANDS THAT THEY'RE PAYING RATES THAT REFLECT THAT. MATTHEWS.CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. SO? SO I TOO HAVE SOME CONCERN.
WE JUST DID A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RATE INCREASE IN OUR STORMWATER.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT DEFINITELY HAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE.
THIS LARGER FACILITIES AND JUST.
I'M JUST THINKING THIS OUT LOUD, THAT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW AGAIN, PLAYING ANOTHER CATCH UP GAME ON THE BACKS OF OUR RATE PAYERS IS A LITTLE WORRISOME TO ME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS EARLY AND WE'RE JUST DOING THE STUDY, BUT I HAVE JUST REAL CONCERNS THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY PRICING OUR BUSINESSES OUT OF THE AREA.
SO THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS.
I KNOW THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE.
AND AND I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WE TALKED ABOUT GRANTS, BUT IS THIS RATE PROJECTION INCREASE JUST BASED ON 100% FUNDED THROUGH RATES, OR WAS THERE ASSUMPTIONS PUT IN THERE FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS? SO FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 30 MILLION IN ROUND NUMBERS FOR GRANTS HAVE BEEN FACTORED INTO FUNDING FOR CAPITAL.
IN ADDITION, WE'RE ALSO UTILIZING THE FORECASTED CAPACITY FEES TO PAY FOR PORTIONS OF GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO LEVERAGE DEBT FINANCING FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT HAVE LONGER USEFUL LIVES.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO OPTIMIZE THE FUNDING SOURCES SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE RATE SUPPORT EVERY DOLLAR OF CASH FUNDING, YOU KNOW, EITHER RIGHT AWAY OR LEVERAGE THAT OVER TIME WITH DEBT, OR TRY TO UTILIZE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO MINIMIZE HOW MUCH HAS TO COME FROM RATES.
OKAY. SO THE THE CHARTS THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US ON THE INCREASES TO 2033 WERE TOOK OUT THE COSTS THAT WE ARE PROJECTING, HOPING, ASSUMING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, PAID BY OTHER SOURCES.
AND THIS IS JUST THE LEFTOVER OR IS IT THE FULL COST? AND WE'RE HOPING, THOUGH, THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, UM, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
ALSO IDENTIFYING THE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER FOR DEBT FINANCING, AND ALSO WITH THE FORECAST OF CAPACITY FEES, TO THE EXTENT MORE GRANTS ARE IDENTIFIED AND AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SECURE MORE GRANT MONEY THAN WHAT WE'RE PRESENTLY ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE MONEY IN CAPACITY FEES AND IT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT, ALL ELSE EQUAL, THAT YOU COULD THEN COME BACK AND AMEND THIS RATE PLAN.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO REVISIT THIS PERIODICALLY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CHANGES.
AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME POSITIVE IMPACTS FROM CHANGES OCCURRING DIFFERENTLY THAN PRESENTLY PROJECTED, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING CONSERVATIVE BUT NOT OVERLY CONSERVATIVE WOULD SAY REASONABLY CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR STRATEGY TOO.
SO CAN YOU SHOW ME BACK THE CHART THAT SHOWS OUR PROJECTED COSTS VERSUS OUR REVENUE? THIS ONE HERE. YES, YES.
SO JUST ONCE AGAIN, SO I'M CLEAR.
UM, THIS IS JUST BASED ON RATE COLLECTION AND EXPENSES.
WHAT WE ALSO WOULD BE GETTING IN GRANT MONEY.
YEP. AND CAPACITY FEES AS WELL.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY AND THEN HARRIS.
SO THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO TO THE CHART? THERE WAS TWO COLORS IN EACH COLUMN.
SO. LOOK FORWARD MORE AND MORE.
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NO WAS THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE.NO. WATER. PLUS THE OTHER FEE, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE.
THAT'S. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT.
PART IT'S BASED ON USAGE IS A WAY OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CONSERVE.
SO. IT MAKES, YOU KNOW, IN THE EXTREME YOU WOULD ONLY CHARGE FOR WATER THEY USE AND HAVE A BASE CHARGE FOR. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT YOU NEED A STEADY REVENUE STREAM.
I MEAN, I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE RIDICULOUS LAWNS IN THEIR FRONT GARDEN IN THE BACKYARD.
WHERE HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE NATURAL LANDSCAPING AND THEY USE ESSENTIALLY NO WATER.
AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE THING THAT WE WANT TO EVALUATE THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN THE STEADY REVENUE STREAM AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER.
AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SOME OF THE POLICIES, TOO, ON THE WATER RATES THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED IN PAST YEARS THAT SPEAK TO TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE, BUT KEEP AT LEAST 25% OF THE REVENUE COLLECTION IN THE FIXED FEES, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT TO TRY TO BRIDGE THAT.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPTIONS PROBABLY AROUND THAT NUMBER THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND BRING BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE POINTS OF PROVIDING A GREATER INCENTIVE FOR CONSERVATION AND COST ALLOCATION TO THOSE USING WATER, BUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE SOME FISCAL STABILITY.
SO ONCE YOU MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT THE RATIO OF BASE.
RATE AND INCOME VERSUS USAGE INCOME.
WELL, IF WE MAKE THE LOWER TIER LOWER.
PEOPLE PAY MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED TO SAVE MONEY WILL BE ABLE TO, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WASTING WATER AND THEY'LL BE HIT WITH A MUCH HIGHER CHARGE.
I'M NOT KIDDING. IT WAS AMAZING.
AND THEN I TALKED TO ONE OF THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND HE TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD THE RECORD OF THE MOST WATER USAGE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
BUT TO ME, THE CONCLUSION WAS, YEAH, YOU'RE WASTING A HELL OF A LOT OF WATER.
YOU OUGHT TO BE PAYING A HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY.
WELL, I'LL SAY THIS TO YOU ON THE TIER DISCUSSION.
LIKE THE FIRST TIER INCLUDES UP TO 3500 GALLONS.
MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST ADJUST THE PRICING, BUT MAYBE EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT, PICK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INDOOR USE IN THAT FIRST YEAR, AND THEN MAYBE EXPAND SOME OF THE OTHER TIERS CORRESPONDINGLY.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE VERY MUCH DATA DRIVEN AND DEFENSIBLE AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
THANK YOU. OKAY, SO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO LAND, BUT Y'ALL WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
SO IN TERMS OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE USING LESS WATER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSEHOLD.
OKAY, SO TAKE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO TAKE IT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE WASTING WATER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
AND THEN THE OTHER MY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT IS THAT.
AND WE USED TO HAVE A WATERING SYSTEMS OUTSIDE IN THE GRASS.
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TURNED IT OFF, NOT USING IT ANYMORE, BUT STILL BEING CHARGED FOR JUST HAVING A METER.THAT TO ME, SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY, IF I'M NOT USING THAT WATER, DO I STILL NEED TO PAY FOR? AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT IS THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE CHARTS AND STUFF.
WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO STUDY THEM.
MOST OF THE TIME WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO PUT THIS INTO LAYPERSON'S TERMS. WE HAVE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON'T DO IT.
BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE MY WATER BILL BY 30, $40 A MONTH.
BUT YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T RAISE IT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS COMES THAT COMES WITH IT.
YEAH. AND TO THAT POINT, WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS ALREADY.
AND TIM WILL SPEAK MORE TO IT IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS REALLY UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE WE LAST LOOKED AT OUR RATES IN TERMS OF OUR COST STRUCTURE, AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES TO OUR RATES AND THE NATURE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO PRESERVING ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER, AS WELL AS PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND MAKING SURE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN GOOD CONDITION.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT TIM IS GOING TO SPEAK TO IN TERMS OF HELPING MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT GOOD WAYS TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO FOLKS, AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST CRYING WOLF, THAT THERE'S A REALITY TO THIS.
THERE'S VERY MUCH A REALITY TO THIS.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOUR UTILITY SYSTEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, DESPITE ALL THOSE INCREASES IN COST, IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO WAIT UNTIL THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, PARTICULARLY FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.
THOSE CHANGES IN THE COST STRUCTURES ARE SIGNIFICANT IN SOME UTILITIES THAT DID THEIR STUDY, AND ONE IN FLORIDA IN 2021, AND THEN THEY DID AN UPDATE IN THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES ACROSS THE STATE INCREASED 50%.
IT'S JUST. BUT IT'S ALSO PART OF THE REALITY THAT THEY HAVE.
IT'S PART OF PROVIDING QUALITY OF SERVICE.
AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THOSE COSTS.
BUT THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, TOO, IS THIS COULD BE SMOOTHED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SO I THINK THAT WAS MAYBE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
AND THEN AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT UNDER ANY OPTION, ONCE THE STUDY IS DONE, THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS PRETTY REGULARLY TO STAY ON TOP OF CHANGES, AND AGAIN, TO THE POINT THAT MAYBE THERE'S MORE SUCCESS ON GRANT FUNDING OR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED AND YOU COULD STAY ON TOP OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MOVE ON TO THE SPREADING THESE ALLOCATIONS AND RATE SIGNS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE ASKING YOU ON THE 23RD.
WHAT YOU'RE LIKELY TO SUPPORT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WE AGAIN DID KIND OF THE EVALUATION UNDER THE SAME PARAMETERS.
OUR CURRENT RATES TODAY WITH THE MODEST GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS GOING FORWARD.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE GENERATING ABOUT 11 TO 12 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATING EXPENSES, THE OPERATING CAPITAL THAT WE NEED APPLY INFLATION FACTOR IN THE CARRYFORWARDS AND ONE-TIME REQUESTS, THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES ARE MORE IN THAT $20 MILLION A YEAR RANGE ON AVERAGE.
SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT A $9 MILLION GAP ON THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
A LOT OF THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL SIDE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, IT WAS ABOUT 5 MILLION EACH YEAR.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS YOU KNOW, ABOUT DOUBLE THAT ABOUT $9 MILLION PER YEAR.
SO THIS SYSTEM WE SEE PARTICULAR CHALLENGES FROM A CAPITAL FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.
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AND SO THAT WOULD FUND ABOUT 72 MILLION OF CAPITAL.BUT IF YOU REMEMBER FOR WASTEWATER JUST THE APPROVED ALONE WAS ABOUT $87 MILLION.
SO WE DON'T REALLY FUND THE APPROVED CIP UNTIL THE SMOOTH CATCH UP SCENARIO.
HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO GRADUATE THE FUNDING UNDER THE FULL FUNDING, NO WOULD REQUIRE DEFERRAL OF SOME PROJECTS FROM THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO THE SECOND FIVE YEARS.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY LOWER THIS TO THE 3535 AND THEN DO THE 5% A YEAR INDEXING.
I DON'T WANNA ELABORATE ON THAT. OR.
AND YOU SAID, WELL, LET'S MOVE BACK TO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS LIKE THAT.
I WOULD SAY THE WILDCAT INTERCEPTOR WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT ONE THAT WE WOULD DEFER, BUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU WOULD SHIFT TO OTHER COLLECTION SYSTEMS, RIGHT? OTHER MAMMALS THAT DON'T GET UPGRADED, OTHER LINES THAT DON'T GET REHABILITATED UNTIL YOU GET TO A COMPLETE POINT OF FAILURE TO WHERE THEY CAN BE REHABILITATED, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED. AND SO SO JUST KIND OF FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN I GET THAT IT'S HARD TO PAY FOR IT NOW, BUT THE LONGER YOU DEFER AT SOME POINT YOU DIG YOURSELF A LARGER HOLE LIKE IT CAN BE REPAIRED, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED.
AND I THINK ALSO ANYTIME YOU DEFER A PROJECT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THAT PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 33 TO 50% MORE THAN IT WOULD HAVE COST YOU TO DO IT TODAY.
THANK YOU. ANYWAY, THANK YOU SHANNON.
A COMMENT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST SHARED AND THEN A QUESTION FOR YOU, ANDY.
BUT THE COMMENT IS JUST A REMINDER TO ON THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOW BEING REFERENCED WASTEWATER, THE INTERCEPTOR LINE MAYBE TOPPING THAT LIST AND I ASSUME WILDCAT BASEMENT IS MAYBE IN THOSE NUMBERS OR NOT.
WE HAVE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF REPLACEMENT FOR A LOT OF MAJOR ASPECTS.
THIS TIME WE'RE AT CAPACITY WITH RESPECT TO NOT JUST TREATMENT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE BIG, BIG COST THAT'S OUT THERE ON THE HORIZON.
BUT ALSO NOW WITH RESPECT TO OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM, THAT INTERCEPT LINE THAT WAS JUST REFERENCED.
WE'RE NOW HAVING TO MAKE STATEMENTS WITHIN OUR WATER AND SEWER IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THE CITY THAT, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR AN INCREASE, BUT.
WE'RE TREATING THIS AS A PRIORITY, AN URGENT PRIORITY.
THE ALTERNATIVE REALLY IS A FRIGHTENING ONE, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, THEREFORE WE CANNOT APPROVE ANY ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
THE TOWN OF WILLIAMS JUST IMPLEMENTED A FOUR YEAR MORATORIUM ON EXACTLY THIS ISSUE.
AND THAT'S THE EXTREME DRACONIAN MEASURE THAT WE WANT TO AVOID HAVING TO TAKE IS THAT NO MORE CAPS. WE'RE DONE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE CAN IMPROVE OUR CAPACITY.
BUT I THINK IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW, IT'S APPROPRIATE.
WE ARE AT OR NEAR VERY CLOSE TO CAPACITY.
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BUT WE FIND SOME TIME WITH THE NEW DIRECTORS AT THE VIEW.THAT GOES TO THE TREATMENT CAPACITY TO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
THERE IS NO TIME SAVING MEASURES TO BE TAKEN.
AND THEN ADDING TO THE COMMENT JUST SHARED BY SHANNON, IF WE EVEN WERE ABLE TO DEFER, AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT WERE NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING THEN IS JUST ADDING TO THE RISK OF TOTAL FAILURE OF PIPELINES.
AND PIPELINES DO FAIL OVER TIME.
THEY HAVE A LIFETIME. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY FAIL, THEY FAIL.
IT'S CATASTROPHIC. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TO REPLACE IT AT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND AT AN EXTREME COST, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BENEFIT OF PROCUREMENT.
THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A METHODOLOGY.
THAT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS WE HAVE TO SPEND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO REPLACE A FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WANT TO AVOID THAT AS WELL.
AND DEFERRED REPLACEMENT GETS US CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THOSE CATASTROPHIC FAILURES.
AND AGAIN, JUST SEEING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, RAN THAT SCENARIO JUST TO SEE.
SO IT'S EVERY CHOICE HAS A CONSEQUENCE TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS CASE CAPITAL.
ANDY, I'M SORRY TO JUMP BACK IN.
HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU OR SOMEBODY ON THE TEAM.
WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT IN RECENT YEARS.
BUT DO ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS ANTICIPATE SOME SORT OF CREATIVE FINANCING THAT WOULD ALSO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE AMOUNT OF RATE INCREASES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE NEEDED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS? THINGS THAT COME TO MIND WOULD BE LIKE LEASE PURCHASE ARRANGEMENTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY, CERTAINLY COULD BE REVIEWED TO SEE IF THEY OPTIMIZE THE RATE, INCREASE TRAJECTORY, AND MINIMIZE THE COST OF FINANCING THE PROJECTS. BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF THOSE YET.
OKAY. BUT MAYBE AS THE ANALYSIS CONTINUES, THEY CAN BE EXPLORED.
THEY COULD. YEAH, IT WOULD BE PARTIALLY DEPENDENT UPON WHAT SORTS OF ARRANGEMENTS WE MIGHT HAVE WITH BANKS OR LENDING INSTITUTIONS OR EVEN PRIVATE PARTNERS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO COME IN ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS TO SEE WHICH PROJECTS THEY ARE AND WHAT WE NEED THE TERMS OF THAT.
SO A FEW PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TRANSACTIONS LATELY, THE COST OF CAPITAL IS STILL PRETTY HIGH.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE MAYBE YOU COULD TRANSFER SOME RISK AND MAYBE ACCELERATE THE TIMING OF PROJECTS BY TAXING THEM, FINANCING FROM THE MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE IS STILL REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO COMPETE WITH BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE VERY HIGH RETURN ON INVESTMENT EXPECTATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVE PROGRAMS OR THE BANK TO DO, LIKE A LINE OF CREDIT OR COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TO PAY INTEREST ONLY AND THEN TAKE OUT A LONGER TERM FINANCING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
YEAH. THE CITY HAS SEEN SOME SUCCESS UTILIZING CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS TRUE WITHIN THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS.
COUNCILMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
UM, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE LIST OF.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
FIRST. THAT'S A REALLY LONG LIST.
SO I'M WONDERING HOW LONG, LIKE THERE'S NO BREAKDOWN ON WHEN THESE WERE IDENTIFIED.
HAVE THEY BEEN SITTING ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST FOR TEN YEARS? SOME OF THEM. UH, SOME OF THEM LONGER.
AND THEN I WAS CURIOUS WHY THERE'S 16 MILLION FOR THE INNER BASIN PIPELINE.
ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT IS PUT INTO THE TOTAL COST OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WHEN WE RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT WHOLE PROJECT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO AND WE DID NOTE IT'S IN TABLE THREE.
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COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE ARE SHOWING THE 16.1 MILLION AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE INTERBASIN WATER LINE.SO REALLY THE CAPITAL PROJECT LIST THAT WE SHOW ARE ALL THE DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT LIST THAT TALLIES UP TO ABOUT $26 MILLION FOR THE WATER SIDE.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE NATURE OF THE PROJECTS, NEED SOME HELP FROM AARON OR SHANNON IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS OR IF THEY'RE RECENT EVOLUTIONS, THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR A FAIR PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT THE EXACT EXTENT OF WHICH I JUST DON'T HAVE FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SORRY. WE'RE FOR INNER AND BELIEVE THAT ONLY THE UPPER PORTION IS GRANT FUNDED.
AND FROM SCHULTZ DOWN TO OUR RESERVOIR PLAN THAT ISN'T GRANT FUNDED.
THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON ON OUR WATER MASTER PLAN EIGHT YEARS AGO.
IT HAS IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS.
AND WE COULD WE COULD ELABORATE ON THIS AT A AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
YOU COULD, UM, PACKAGE PROJECTS DIFFERENTLY IF IT HELPS.
THE C LIST AND THEN DOWN IN INFORMED ADDITIONAL COST.
UM, SO DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MISTAKE, THAT IT WAS LISTED TWICE OR JUST.
AND THEN THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE IDENTIFIED EITHER NEW PROJECTS ABOVE THAT SHOULDN'T SAY NEW, BUT JUST ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ABOVE THAT OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDS ABOVE WHAT WAS IN THE APPROVED CFP.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU KIND OF AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE SHEET, IT'S A CUMULATIVE TOTAL.
ADD THESE THINGS UP. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE CODE, APPROVE WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS WERE WITH THE OTHER UNFUNDED PROJECTS WERE. SO YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A RUNNING TOTAL.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS CAN ADD TO AS FAR AS HOW LONG THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST.
SO THEY THEN IDENTIFY A WHILE AGO AND THEY JUST CONTINUE TO REMAIN ON THE PROJECTS.
IN THE PREVIOUS RACE, IF THAT HELPS.
THEY KEEP US MOVING THROUGH WASTEWATER.
WE STILL DO EVERYTHING TO TO AS WELL.
SO THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY QUICK COMMENT.
AND THEN TO JUST ABOUT TAG ON TO WHAT GREG SAID.
IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WE HAVE TO SAY OR SORRY, WE HAVE TO START DEVELOPMENT, THAT WILL BASICALLY MEAN WE WILL BE UNABLE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING CRISIS. OKAY.
AT THIS POINT WE HAVE ENTERPRISE TERMS, WHICH MEANS PRETTY MUCH HAS TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL.
NOW IT'S THAT WASTEWATER IS A REVENUE OR AN ENTERPRISE FUND, AND FRESHWATER IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
OR CAN WE THINK OF THOSE TWO TOGETHER? AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT AS A WAY OF NOT INCREASING THE COST TO THE CONSUMER, BUT ENCOURAGING CONSERVATION, WE COULD CHARGE LESS FOR THE WASTEWATER SIDE AND CHARGE MORE IN THE FRESHWATER SIDE AND HAVE THAT BALANCE OUT.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL.
SO THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.
BUT IT WOULD BE A WAY OF ENCOURAGING CONSERVATION THROUGH.
IF YOU USE LESS WATER YOU PAY LESS.
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SANITARY SEWER SERVICE ON THOSE WATER ONLY USES, THAT CAN BE A BIT PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEFENSIVE STANDPOINT.BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOKING AT JUST THE VALUE OF, YOU KNOW, THE RETURN FLOWS THAT WE GET FOR THOSE SEWER CUSTOMERS THAT OFFSET THE NEED FOR RECHARGE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON THE WATER SUPPLY SIDE.
SO MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN ANALYSIS THERE THAT CAN BE CONDUCTED THAT MAYBE CAN QUANTIFY SOME BENEFITS FROM THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT ACCRUE TO THE WATER SIDE THAT COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR. BUT IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT FROM A DEFENSIVE STANDPOINT.
SO THAT WATER ONLY CUSTOMERS AREN'T PAYING FOR SEWER COSTS AND VICE VERSA.
SO WE DO HAVE WATER ONLY CUSTOMERS OR WATER ONLY METERS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR IRRIGATION.
SO DO THINK YOU HAVE A FEW OF THOSE OUT THERE IN THE SYSTEM.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST. SO FOR THE WASTEWATER FUNDS CHANGE SCENARIOS, THE INCREASES TO THE TYPICAL BILL, YOUR RESIDENTIAL TYPICAL BILL FOR WASTEWATER SERVICES IS $21 FOR 4000 GALLONS, SO IT'D BE ABOUT A $1 INCREASE.
THAT WOULD GET US $72 MILLION IN CAPITAL.
IF WE DID 90 MILLION FOR THE SMOOTH CATCH UP, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE APPROVED FORM CFP.
THAT'S ABOUT $2 ON THAT MONTHLY BILL.
AND THEN YOU GO AT THAT POINT SOMEWHERE ABOUT $2 LEVEL INCREASES.
JUST FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE.
SO AGAIN, ON THE CAPITAL FUNDING, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENT COLUMNS, BUT BASICALLY IN THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, THE CPI SCENARIO, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY NOT QUITE FUNDING THE APPROVED ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION IN THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.
WE'RE FUNDING AT LEAST THE APPROVED, BUT NOT THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE APPROVED PLUS INFORMED.
AND THEN THE FULL SCENARIO IS OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT GETS US TO THAT FULL 125 MILLION.
SO WE DO FALL A BIT SHORT ON CAPITAL IN THOSE FIRST TWO OPTIONS FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ANNUAL AMOUNTS.
AND WHAT I MENTIONED WAS, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN LOWER THIS CURVE AND MAKE IT A MORE FLAT, 10 MILLION ESCALATING NUMBER, THAT'S HOW WE COULD GET TO THOSE TO 35% ADJUSTMENTS AS OPPOSED TO THE TO 70% AND THEN GO BY INFLATION.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'D HAVE TO MOVE SOME OF THIS CAPITAL FROM 25 TO 27.
CERTAINLY LAYING YOU'RE LAYERING IT IN THIS TIME PERIOD.
TYPICAL BILL. AGAIN, WE'RE AT ABOUT $21 TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE 270% ADJUSTMENTS FOR ESCALATING THAT VERY QUICKLY.
AS I MENTIONED, IF WE ARE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT OPTION OUT A BIT, GO TO ABOUT $29.
THEN IF WE GO TO 39 AND THEN IF WE INDEX ABOUT 5% USUALLY END AT ABOUT $54 FOR OPTION.
AND THEN AGAIN FOR THE TWO INCH EXAMPLE THAT WE DID RUN FOR COMMERCIAL.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE, WE'RE ABOUT $170 TODAY FOR THAT BILL.
HOW THAT WILL CHANGE OVER TIME.
EACH OF THESE OPTIONS AND WE DID DO BENCHMARKING HERE.
YOU'RE KIND OF NOTABLY BELOW THE AVERAGE ABOUT $32.
AND THEN ALSO JUST OTHER ARIZONA SYSTEMS, PRETTY LOW WASTEWATER BILL FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL COST THAT MIGHT FACTOR INTO THOSE COMPARISONS.
NO THAT'S FAIR. AND AGAIN EXPECTED INCREASES HERE FOR SURPRISE.
AND QUEEN CREEK TEMPE IS LOOKING AT A MULTI YEAR PLAN OF 6.25% INCREASES PER YEAR FOR WASTEWATER.
SCOTTSDALE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR INCREASE WAS FOR WASTEWATER.
IT WAS A FEW PERCENT COMING UP NEXT YEAR.
SO AGAIN WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE UPWARD PRESSURE ON WASTEWATER RATES AS WELL.
THE COMMERCIAL AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN AVERAGE.
THAT $170 COMPARES TO AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT $185 $186 FOR THE SAME BENCHMARKS.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN AVERAGE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON? PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT TO RECLAIM.
AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO TIM FOR PUBLIC SERVICE THERE.
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WE DO HAVE SOME NEAR-TERM CAPITAL IN THE IMPROVED CIP THAT CAUSED THE EXPENSES TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, BUT THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S PRETTY MODEST AMOUNT OF CAPITAL. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S MORE STRUCTURALLY BALANCED, IF YOU WILL, AGAINST THE APPROVED CIP THAN THE OTHER TWO FUNDS.BUT IT DOES STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ANNUAL EXPENSES AGAINST THE APPROVED CIP.
AGAIN, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE INFORMED OR THE UNFUNDED PROJECTS HERE.
SO THIS ONE HAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER KIND OF STATUS QUO TRAJECTORY AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO.
SO WE LOOKED AT SCENARIOS FOR RECLAIMED FOR A CPI OR KETCHUP.
IF YOU REMEMBER IT'S ABOUT $5 MILLION.
SO THIS WOULD GO TO ABOUT SEVEN.
THIS WOULD BE ABOUT $8 MILLION.
FOLLOW THOSE. BUT TO FULLY FUND A $69 MILLION CAPITAL PLAN.
$6.9 MILLION PER YEAR ON AVERAGE FOR CAPITAL.
THAT'S A LOT. THAT WOULD REQUIRE A 450% RATE ADJUSTMENT FOLLOWED BY 100% RATE ADJUSTMENT.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT RECLAIMED WATER, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT CUSTOMER BASE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'D BE ABOUT 7 OR $8 AT THE SCENARIOS WE'D CATCH UP IS ABOUT $15.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SCENARIO OF FULL FUNDING ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BILL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AGAIN, WE'RE ON THAT 6 TO $7 MILLION RANGE FOR CAPITAL SPENDING VERSUS THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS WHERE WE'RE KIND OF MORE IN THAT HALF 1 MILLION TO $1 MILLION RANGE SPENDING PER CAPITA. DON'T WE LOOK AT SOME TYPICAL BILL IMPACTS? WE GRABBED A GOLF COURSE EXAMPLE AT 28,000 GALLONS.
AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE SCENARIOS OF INDEXING THAT WE GO TO 79 OR 93.
THE FULL CAPITAL. AND THEN WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO INCH.
AND THAT BILL TODAY IS ABOUT $50.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS ABOUT 150 OR 170.
EXCUSE ME. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME UNDER THE INDEXING SCENARIOS.
BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY THE FULL COST CHANGES.
SO FOR RECLAIMED, THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS YOU DO HAVE THE POLICY THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY, WHERE YOUR RECLAIMED RATES ARE SET AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WATER RATES.
SO PRESENTLY, THAT MEANS 35% OF THE COMMERCIAL RATE OF THE RECLAIMED WATER RATES ARE BASED ON.
SO IF YOU JUST CHOSE TO SAY, DO THE FULL FUNDING OPTION FOR WATER, AND THAT WAS A 15% A YEAR INCREASE, BUT KEPT THE RECLAIMED WATER POLICY YOU HAVE, THE RATES ARE AT 35% OF THE WATER RATE.
THAT MEANS YOUR RATES WOULD GO UP BASICALLY ABOUT 15% A YEAR.
SO SO IF YOU WANTED TO FULLY FUND THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, BASICALLY SAYING YOU'D HAVE TO DEVIATE, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THAT POLICY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE BEYOND THE LEVELS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE INCREASES ON THE WATER SIDE.
DID. YOU SAID WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? YES. LOOK, SOME OF US MIGHT NEED SOME RESUSCITATION.
THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO IS DEFINITELY COULD CAUSE SOME CARDIAC ARREST.
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT GAP. ARE THERE? ANY OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE APPEALING AND AVAILABLE FOR GEO BONDS OR ANY OTHER KIND
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OF FUNDING.YEAH, WE CAN FLOAT THEIR IDEAS TO VOTERS TO GET MORE.
AND THE CAPACITY IS WITHIN THAT BOND OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
AND. ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS? I GUESS WE'RE NOT THE ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE CAUSING THIS BIG JUMP IN WASTEWATER.
YES. SO THAT WE DO HAVE THE LIST.
WE DO HAVE THE BUFFALO PARK BUILDING UPGRADE.
THAT'S ABOUT A $3 MILLION PROJECT.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL EXPENSE.
WE DO HAVE FOUR WILDCAT RECLAIM BOOSTER BUILDING EQUIPMENT UPGRADE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT'S INCLUDED.
WE DO ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PRESENTLY UNFUNDED.
IT'S ABOUT A $13 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE MAJOR THINGS.
THE WILDCAT HILL RECLAIM PUMPING STATION UPGRADE IS ABOUT $4.5 MILLION.
SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIZABLE PROJECTS FOR FOR RECLAIM THAT COMPRISE THAT TOTAL OF $69 MILLION.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE IF IF THERE'S AREAS THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT EXTERNAL FINANCING OR FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT OUTSIDE OF THE RATES, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST WE FOCUS ON THOSE BIGGER TICKET PROJECTS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES, WITH A MODEST RATE ADJUSTMENTS, YOU COULD START GETTING YOUR FUNDING TO DO MORE THAN HALF A MILLION OF CAPITAL EACH YEAR. YOU COULD DO 2 MILLION, BUT THESE PROJECTS, THE MAGNITUDE OF THEM, WOULD HIT YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET ALL AT ONCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE PLACES I WOULD LOOK FOR.
FROM COUNCILMAN MATTHEWS COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
THANK YOU. JUST IN LOOKING AT THE THE LIST FOR THIS SECTION.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHAT THE WATERLINE LOOP FOR FOX? GLENN, THE $12 MILLION.
WHAT IS THAT AND WHY IS THAT COMING UP? AND THEN THE. UPGRADE FOR 4.5 MILLION.
UM, CAN YOU JUST EXPAND ON THOSE TWO JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR ME? THE PROMISE. SHANNON WITH THAT SAME LOOP IS SO RIGHT NOW, THE RECLAIMED SYSTEM.
OUR PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM IS IN THE SHAPE OF A C.
IT DOESN'T FULLY LOOP BETWEEN FOXLAND AND THE WILDCAT PLANT THROUGH CONTINENTAL, SO THAT UPGRADE WOULD HELP WITH COORDINATION OF THE SYSTEM.
AND JUST IT'S A BETTER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO HAVE A FULL LOOP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S NOT ESSENTIAL TO SERVICE.
SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECT, THE BOOSTER BUILDING EQUIPMENT UPGRADE AND GETTING WATER FROM WILDCAT HILL UP TO BUFFALO PARK TANK COULD USE THE BOOST TO GET MORE WATER TO BUFFALO PARK.
SO THERE ARE TWO PROJECTS THE EIGHT INCH BOTTLENECK AND THEN THE BOOSTER SIDE OF IT AT WILDCAT HILL.
THAT WOULD GIVE US LIKE ANOTHER MILLION GALLON A DAY.
UM. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WHAT ABOUT RECLAIM PUMP STATION UPGRADE? THE. WILDCAT.
YEAH. AND WHY IS IT AN UPGRADE? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY IT'S MEANING UPGRADE, NOT A REPLACEMENT.
WHAT IS UPGRADE ACTUALLY MEAN? THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MATTHEWS.
I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT. SO THE REASON IT'S UPGRADED IS BECAUSE THE PUMP STATION ALREADY EXISTS.
SO ALONG WITH THE BOTTLENECKS, IS CONCRETE CAPACITY TO MOVE PHYSICALLY THE WATER THROUGH THE LINE.
AND WE STILL NEED TO UPGRADE THE PUMP STATION TO WORK IN SYNC WITH THE STORAGE TANK.
SO A LOT OF IT IS OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, BUT ALSO HELPS US TO MOVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND LOWER SYSTEM PRESSURES, WHICH ALSO BENEFITS OUR CUSTOMERS ON THAT RECLAIM SYSTEM, SPECIFICALLY OUR POST DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
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OKAY. THANK YOU. AARON, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DON'T COLLECT CAPACITY FEES ON WEEKLY AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.SO WHEN WE GET TO THE COST OF SERVICE AND RATE STRUCTURE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE THAT MIGHT HELP EASE THE BURDEN ON THE FULL FUNDING FOR FUNDING MORE OF THE INFORMED PROJECTS. YEAH, THE GROWTH RELATED ONES.
SO OUR RECLAIMED WATER IS K PLUS.
AND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, COUNCIL DID A TOUR OF THE SCOTTSDALE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU TAKE THAT YOUR A-PLUS WATER AND PUT IT IN YOUR AQUIFER.
AND HE SAID, OH, NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO CONTAMINATE OUR AQUIFER.
WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE GROUND, IN THE REAL.
SO GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I PRESUME NONE OF THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDES UPGRADING OUR RECLAIMED WATER SO THAT IT'S TAKEN OUT. CHEMICALS OF EMERGING CONCERN AND THAT WE'RE REALLY PROTECTING OUR FOOD.
IT'S TRUE THAT THAT'S NOT THE FOOD.
WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE YET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
I'LL LEAVE IT TO THAT. AND AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, WE'VE GOT KIND OF A RECAP OF THE SCHEDULE HERE, BUT THIS IS MORE KIND OF A TRANSITORY POINT TO LET HIM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES AND WHERE WE STAND WITH THOSE, AND TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THAT CONTENT AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME INPUT.
THE OUTREACH IS THE THING THAT SCARES PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN SCARED ENOUGH TODAY.
SO. SO I DID NOTICE AFTER YOUR COMMENT.
BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, IN ADDITION TO 30 PLUS YEARS AS AN URBAN PLANNER DEALING WITH ALL VARIETIES AND TYPES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SCENARIOS ALSO SERVED MANY MOONS AGO. BACK BEFORE MY HAIR WAS GRAY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND IN THAT CAPACITY, I CERTAINLY HAVE A DEGREE OF UNDERSTANDING OF NOT JUST YOUR ROLE, BUT THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AND HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EMPATHY FOR THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
AND MANY TIMES THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS NO IDEA WHAT GOES INTO MAKING THE SAUCE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
AND SO WE WANT TO EDUCATE AND INFORM STAKEHOLDERS, STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROJECT, OUR CUSTOMERS, RATEPAYERS, ORGANIZATIONS AND INTERESTED PARTIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY NOT ONLY THE RATES BEING CHARGED FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO HAVE A PERSONAL STAKE IN THESE UTILITIES OPERATING AT A HIGH LEVEL.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THINK THAT GETS TO YOUR LAST POINT.
MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES INTO HOW THEIR RATES ARE FORMED AND ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE WILL ENDEAVOR THROUGHOUT THIS TO ANSWER THE WHY, THE HOW AND THE WHEN, AND WE WILL DO SO AS PROACTIVELY AS POSSIBLE FOR A VARIETY OF OUTREACH PLATFORMS. SECONDLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE STAKEHOLDERS KNOW THAT THEIR INPUT IS IMPORTANT.
THEY'RE NOT JUST BEING PLACATED OR PACIFIED.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY THINK AND WHEN THEY THINK IT.
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AWARE AND THAT ALL SEGMENTS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO.UM, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU, SEPTEMBER, THE OVERALL MESSAGING FOR THIS EFFORT EMBODIED IN THE PHRASE KEEPING IT CLEAN WHEN IT COMES TO ALL FORMS OF WASTEWATER, THAT IS THE PRIORITY. CLEAN WATER IS THE HALLMARK OF QUALITY COMMUNITIES AND IS TAKING STEPS NECESSARY TO ENSURE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS TREATMENT AND PROPER DISPOSAL OF WASTEWATER DO NOT DEGRADE THE QUALITY OF WATER IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT AN OPTION, AND THERE ARE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE COMING BUT DON'T KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF, AND WE'LL HAVE TO MEET THOSE AS THEY ARRIVE. KEEPING IT FLOWING.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS ME IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITIZEN TURNS THAT TAP ON AND EXPECTS WATER TO COME OUT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED 99.9% OF THE TIME THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO GO TO A PUMP WITH A PAIL.
SO IT'S A IT'S AN INFLEXIBLE ENVIRONMENT, BUT KEEPING IT FLOWING OBVIOUSLY IS KEY.
UM, EXCUSE ME. PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY OF WATER FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
NOW, WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST MONTH, BUT I WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE IN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO BUSINESSES OR COMPARES TO BUSINESSES.
AS THE BUSINESSES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN, NOW, THINGS ARE KNOWN AS COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING WITH WATER QUALITY, HAVING BUSINESSES DOING SO. BUSINESSES HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS, NOT JUST FROM A RATE STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A VIABILITY STANDPOINT.
AND LASTLY, WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND NEED FOR STRONG RECLAMATION PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE INVESTED IN, AS WELL AS INVESTING IN ITEMS THAT RESULT IN IMPROVED EFFICIENCY. I WANT TO SAY YOUR STAFF HAS ALREADY YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T NEW PROJECTS.
NUMBER ONE VIRTUAL INFORMATION MEETINGS.
WE HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.
FLAGSTAFF IS AT THE 100% BROADBAND SATURATION FOR 25 MEGABITS OR HIGHER.
WE'LL GO OVER THE SCHEDULE IN JUST A MOMENT WHERE YOUR STAFF AND OUR TEAM WILL PRESENT INFORMATION REGARDING THE STUDY, ITS GOALS, POTENTIAL OUTCOMES AND CHALLENGES THE BODY FACES, AND ADDRESSING FACTORS SUCH AS INCREASE IN MATERIAL COST AND OPERATIONS.
AGAIN, WE START BUILDING THE CASE FOR WHY.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT AND WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE IN THIS? THE INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED.
QUESTIONS MAY BE POSED BY ATTENDEES IN REAL TIME BECAUSE THE SATURATION RATE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT IN-PERSON MEETINGS WILL ALSO OCCUR AS WELL, INCLUDING PRESENTATION STYLE AND DROP IN MEETINGS.
WILL ALSO USE EXISTING EVENTS AND ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS TO SPREAD THE WORD AS WELL.
WE'LL SHARE A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THAT.
WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING TO BRING ON BOARD A VENDOR TO PROVIDE TWO UNIQUE FEATURES.
THE FIRST WILL ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS OR ONLINE PRESENCE TO ACTUALLY DIAL IN AND PARTICIPATE BY TELEPHONE, INCLUDING ASKING QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU'RE IN A PLACE WHERE MAYBE YOU LACK THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR LAPTOP TO GET ONLINE, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE WI-FI SERVICE AVAILABLE OR YOU DON'T HAVE A WI-FI ROUTER, YOU CAN SIMPLY USE A DIAL UP PHONE DIAL IN, LISTEN TO THE PARTICIPATION, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE VENDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS UPLOADED INTO THE MEETING AS WELL.
YOU'LL SEE AN EXTREMELY ROBUST SCHEDULE HERE COMING UP, ONE OF THE VENDOR THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY SEND OUT TEXT MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. EVERYONE WITH A CELL PHONE THAT IS REGISTERED IN A LARGER DATABASE WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE RATE STUDY THEY CAN SEND.
SIMPLY SEND STOP AND THEY DON'T GET ANY MORE NOTICES, NO PROBLEM.
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SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE STUDY, AND THEN THEY CAN CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE WITH THOSE TEXT MESSAGES AT A DEGREE THAT WORK FOR THEM.BUT THOSE ARE THE DYING PROCESS.
THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN THAT, BUT WE'LL WORK CAREFULLY TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS AS WELL.
A KEY FEATURE OF THIS OUTREACH PROGRAM IS THE CREATING AND UPDATING OF PROJECT WEBSITE.
AS OF TODAY, W-W-W DOT CLEAN WATER FLAGSTAFF.COM IS LIVE AND OPERATIONAL.
WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU.
THEY CAN FIND OUT WHEN ARE THE NEXT MEETINGS OKAY.
THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
THEY CAN LOOK AT RESOURCES IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THE WORK.
IT IS SET UP THAT IF YOU HIT CONTROL AND CLICK ON THAT LINK, WE CAN GO LIVE TO IT NOW.
SO WE HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TOOL.
AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THIS.
AND THE MAIN REASON IS TO CONTACT US FEATURE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DO IT FROM A MOBILE DEVICE.
YOU DO NOT NEED A COMPUTER TO DO IT.
ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE CATALOGED.
NUMBER TWO IS THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY ARE EMAILED TO AT LEAST TWO CITY OF FLAGSTAFF STAFF PEOPLE.
THOSE FOLKS HAVE NOT BEEN CHOSEN YET.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SURPRISE SOMEBODY HERE AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THE EMAILS, BUT NONETHELESS, WE FIND THIS TO BE A GREAT COMMUNICATION TOOL BECAUSE AS YOU'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CREATE SMALL INFORMATION CARDS.
YOU CAN HAND OUT, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE RATE STUDY HERE, GO TO THIS WEBSITE.
YOU CAN ALSO CREATE A QR CODE, PUT IT ON THOSE CARDS AND USE THEIR PHONE TO GO DIRECTLY TO IT.
SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS AND WANT TO THANK YOUR STAFF.
BY THE WAY, THE IMAGES YOU SEE HERE ACTUALLY ARE A COUPLE OF DAYS OLD.
SHEETS AND INFORMATION HANDOUTS ARE GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL.
PERIODICALLY, WE WILL SEE TARGETED PIECES SUCH AS DOOR HANGERS.
IF WE FIND THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT ISN'T QUITE PARTICIPATING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RANGE OF PARTICIPATION.
WE'RE SEEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY MAYBE GO OUT AND DO SOME DOOR HANGERS, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, PUT THE QR CODE ON THERE, OR GIVE THEM A PHONE NUMBER OR AN EMAIL TO REACH OUT TO, AND WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATED EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IS BILL STUFFERS.
YOU GET ABOUT, I THINK HALF OF YOUR UTILITY BILLS GO OUT BY MAIL.
BILL STUFFERS CAN BE ELECTRONIC AS WELL.
THEY CAN CLICK ON THE LINK AND THEY WOULD SEE THE BILL STUFF AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE COLLATERAL MATERIALS THAT WE'LL BE PRODUCING.
AND WE'LL BE POSTING THOSE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
SO THE MEDIA PRINT NOTICES WILL BE CREATED THROUGHOUT THE DURATION.
AND YOU KNOW, WE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT FACEBOOK DOESN'T MEAN LET ME PUT ON FACEBOOK.
YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BASICALLY WANT IS WE WANT THE INFORMATIONAL INFORMATION OUT THERE.
WE TRY NOT TO START FOOD FIGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO UPCOMING EVENTS WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT THE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.
YOUR STAFF DID THAT WORK AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH IT.
THAT IS AN ACTIVE LIVE DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE ADDED AND GROWN TO.
ALSO IN SEPTEMBER, FOR COMMUNITY RENTAL, TABLES WERE HELD.
THINK YOU ARE PART OF THE MARKET AND LISA AND SOME OTHERS.
SO THAT ALREADY HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER.
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BUT WEBSITE LAUNCH HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.LET US KNOW. IT LITERALLY IS BRAND SPANKING NEW.
I HAVE NOT EVEN GONE THROUGH IT ON MYSELF.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT.
WE'LL BE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THAT.
THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT GET A LOT OF ATTENTION FOR ABOUT ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME TIME HERE TO CONTINUE TO ADDING AND UPGRADING THE SITE.
WE CAN SLIDE AND SHIP THAT CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE HOLIDAYS, BUT TO HAVE THAT INITIAL INFORMATION MEETING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING, I'M SURE WE TIME THAT WITH GETTING SOME SENSE OF DIRECTION FROM YOU FOLKS, SO THAT WE KNOW IF THEY'RE CREATING MORE QUESTIONS THAN WE'RE PROVIDING AT LEAST ANSWERS AND DIRECTION STAFF IS GOING TO BE DOING HAVE A VERY BUSY NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ON THE RATE STUDY ROADSHOW.
THE WHOLE FOCUS HERE IS NOT TO HAVE A BIG WORKSHOP EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT, BUT TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE RATE STUDY AND DRIVE THE TRAFFIC BACK TO THE WEBSITE SO THEY CAN HAVE THOSE CURRENT AND UP TO DATE INFORMATION AT ALL TIMES.
WE'RE ALSO PLANNING MILESTONE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MAY.
THESE ARE KEY INTERSECTION POINTS THAT PRECEDE DECISIONS THIS BODY WILL MAKE.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE DECISION TO GO HAVE A MEETING AND GET PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
WE WANT TO GET OUT TO THEM AND PREEMPT SOME OF THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, GETTING FOLKS TO LIKE SOMETHING IS HARDLY THE GOAL OF OUTREACH.
THE MORE WE CAN DO THAT, THE MORE IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU HAVE AN INFORMED, EDUCATED CITIZENRY.
ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE DROP IN MEETINGS.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THESE.
TYPICALLY, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT'S CENTRAL TO YOUR SERVICE AREA, AS WELL AS NEAR COMMUNITIES THAT MAY BE AN UNDERSERVED POPULATION AND ENSURING THAT YOU'RE ALONG KEY TRANSIT LINES.
AND IT'S REALLY A NICE WAY TO SHARE INFORMATION.
POP UP MEETINGS. YOU HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS, FESTIVALS, THINGS THAT GO ON.
HAVING A SMALL INFORMATION TABLE AND HANDING OUT INFORMATION CARDS.
YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RATE STUDY GOING ON.
HAND THEM THE CARD, THE QR CODE AND THE WEBSITE.
THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS CAN BE EFFECTIVE AS WELL.
TIM, YOU'RE ON FIRE. WAY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS.
THERE'S A QUESTION. WE GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS IS UP AND.
UM, I DID JUST LOOK AT THE WEBSITE.
UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS, AND MAYBE I'M JUST CONFUSED.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE RATE STUDY IS AT LEAST THE SCENARIOS ARE DONE.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT ON THIS WEBSITE? ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OR JUST THE ONE.
WEBSITES ARE LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA.
THEY'RE FOREVER RIGHT? ONCE IT GOES OUT THERE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOCK IN TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU ON THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS.
AND I CAN TALK FASTER THAN ANYBODY CAN LISTEN.
SO IF I MISSED ANYTHING THERE, I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU BACK ON SCHEDULE HERE AS BEST I CAN.
AND I THINK AARON MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN THE CHAT, BUT ARE WE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY? JUST DIRECTION AS TO A POSSIBLE APPROACH HERE.
WE'VE SEEN THREE OPTIONS TODAY AND THERE'S BEEN SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
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I. SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING THESE SAME OPTIONS ON OCTOBER 23RD.BUT IF YOU LIKE, THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS BY ANDY FOR HOW WE MIGHT MODIFY SOME OF THE SCENARIOS.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US FEEDBACK NOW ON WHETHER YOU LIKE ANY OF THOSE IDEAS OR IF YOU.
LIKE US TO BRING ANYTHING ELSE TO THE TABLE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19TH WITH THE WATER COMMISSION.
WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS.
AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID ON THE 23RD.
THANK YOU. IF I MAY, THIS IS INTENDED AS A COMMENT TO MAYBE SPARK SOME DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL.
IT SEEMS THAT THE FULL FUNDING OPTION WE WITNESSED TODAY ON AT LEAST SOME OF THE AREAS HAS A BIT OF A SHOCK FACTOR TO IT, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO CHAT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE ADVANCING THAT OPTION, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE START PULLING THIS OUT INTO A PUBLIC FORUM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE INCREASES IN THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO, IF THEY WERE TO FIND THEIR WAY TO A NEWSPAPER HEADLINE OR SOCIAL MEDIA, WILL BE.
I PROCEED WITH THE SAME REACTION.
WELL IN GENERAL EVERYWHERE THAT WE COULD GRADUATE THE RATE AND.
DELAY PROJECTS NOT TO THE POINT OF EMERGENCY, BUT EVEN IF THERE IS A YEAR THAT WE COULD WAIT SO THAT THE RATES COULD BE MORE GRADUATED.
I. I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT.
THE IMPLEMENT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE.
THE FULL FUNDING MODEL THAT WE'VE SEEN, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO GO AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. IT'S JUST IT IS.
IT IS. STICKER SHOCK AND THINK NEED MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT SCENARIOS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO. AND IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE WANT TO ADVANCE THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, HOW ELSE COULD WE TALK ABOUT THEM? BUT I WOULD SUGGEST FROM A OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IT IS PREMATURE TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT IN THE PUBLIC SPACE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU GRABS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
HE ADDS IT ALL TOGETHER, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A NARRATIVE OUT THERE THAT YOU CANNOT GET OUT.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATION STAFF.
I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE THEIR PLACE.
I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU SOME OF OUR EXPERIENCES WITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE US.
SO I THINK GIVING AN INTERNAL DIRECTION TO MAYBE BRING BACK WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY AND WHAT WOULD CONSIDER FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, COULD BE A MORE PALATABLE FASHION IS PROBABLY WHAT YOUR STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.
IT IS NOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE.
SO I THINK THERE'S A PERIOD HERE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THAT.
I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN TODAY HAS GOT A BIG DRAFT STAMP ON IT.
A TON OF WORK HAS GONE INTO IT.
BUT YOU'RE AT STEP TWO OF SEVEN.
NOT. STEP SIX. YOU'RE NOT SETTING A RATE.
YOU'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
THIS ISN'T A MARATHON. IT'S MORE LIKE A TEN K.
BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SPRINT.
SO YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HERE.
WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE.
AS IF I'VE STEPPED OUTSIDE OF THE.
THAT'S FINE. SO AT OUR MEETING WITH THE WATER COMMISSION.
WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL.
REGARDING COSTS, WE'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY, AND THEN WE'LL WE WON'T BE GETTING INTO ANY MORE COSTS ON HOW THESE MIGHT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.
SO WILL WE BE GETTING MORE INTO THE PROJECTS AND THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE SPACED AND AND WHAT THINK JUST THE QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS WE'VE HEARD TODAY, WHAT WE COULD DO ON THE 23RD IS PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF PROJECTS IN THE THREE FUNDS AND HOW
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LONG THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR CIP.THE NEED, THE URGENCY, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE REAL.
WE CAN'T IGNORE THESE PROJECTS.
AS GREG ARTICULATED VERY WELL, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IF WE DO, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING MORE AND MORE FAILURES AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX THEM RATHER THAN DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT AT THAT MEETING.
AND ALSO JUST IF WE WERE GOING TO DELAY ANY.
WHICH ONES COULD IT BE AND FOR HOW LONG BEFORE WE'RE INTO THE RED LINE AREA? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL TO FOLKS WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING WHAT IS THE NARRATIVE? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOT OF VERY TECHNICAL DATA AND PUT IT INTO PLAIN SPEAK AND THINK.
COUNCILWOMAN MATTHEWS, YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
SO SOMETIMES ANALOGIES HELP LOOK AT YOUR WASTEWATER ISSUES.
AND IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHEN YOU BUY A NEW HOUSE.
BUY A HOUSE FOR A WHILE KIND OF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT.
AND THEN A FEW THINGS START HAPPENING.
THE PROBLEM WITH WASTEWATER IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMING TO A HEAD BASED ON FACILITY AGING AT THE SAME TIME, AND WE EXPERIENCED THAT AS HOMEOWNERS TOO, RIGHT? YOU NOTICE THE AC AND THE REFRIGERATOR SEEM TO GIVE OUT WITHIN A WEEK OF EACH OTHER, AND IT'S LIKE THEY'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? EVERYTHING SEEMS TO AGE AND NEED TO GET REPLACED ALTOGETHER.
SO THAT'S THEN YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU ADD IT INTO.
THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES, WHICH ARE UNREAL IN ANYTHING WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN OUR LIFETIME.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CARTER ERA.
WE STARTED SEEING THINGS EVEN COME CLOSE TO THIS.
THEN ADD ON TOP OF THAT THE MATERIAL COST INCREASE.
YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING.
NONE OF THIS WAS OF YOUR CREATION.
IT WAS ALMOST THIS LITTLE PERFECT STORM GOING ON OUT THERE.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE BEST WEATHER IT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD, AS YOUR CITY MANAGER SAID, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO NOTHING.
ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF THINGS IN PARTICULAR AS I SEE IT.
BUT WHERE ELSE CAN YOU? AND I THINK IF YOU START LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE, THOSE THREE BODIES IN, IN UNISON, START TO SEE WHERE THE FOCUS CAN BE AND GIVE A BETTER DIRECTION. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT AS A WAY TO GO FORWARD GOING INTO THE 23RD.
BUT I'VE SAT IN THIS ROLE BEFORE.
I DON'T ENVY YOU, BUT THE HARD DECISIONS ARE.
YEAH. YOU'VE GOT A TON OF INFORMATION ON THE RATES.
IS THIS THE TIME YOU WANT TO USE TO GIVE SOME INPUT AND FEEDBACK TO AARON ABOUT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE. UH, JUST SO THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE REALLY OPEN.
AND SO IF ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE TUNING IN, THEY THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS.
UH, AND SO IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THAT SCENARIO THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY ARE THE GOAL POST RIGHT THERE.
THE THIS IS THE BEST IT CAN BE FROM A RANGE STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU LAND ON THAT? YOU NEVER LAND ON ONE END OR THE OTHER.
YOU LAND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO WE DO NEED TO TO GET OUR DIRECTION CLEAR.
SEE THAT COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS HAS A QUESTION.
UM, IF WE COULD AT THIS POINT STICK TO DIRECTION, THAT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK.
GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN MATTHEWS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND, UM, IT MAY NOT BE DIRECTION, BUT I CAN'T REALLY GIVE MY INPUT WITHOUT.
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AT THE BOTTOM, LET'S SAY, OF PAGE ONE THAT SAYS POUND SIGN IS FULLY OR PARTIALLY FUNDED BY GROWTH.ASTERISK IS PROJECTS DESIGNATED BY PARTIAL DEBT FUNDING, BUT DON'T SEE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO FULL OR PARTIAL PARTIALLY GRANT FUNDED, LIKE TAKING OUT WHAT IS PROJECTED TO BE NOT FUNDED.
OF THESE PROJECTS WITHOUT ANY ADJUSTMENT TO THE DEBT FUNDING OR THE GRANT FUNDING.
IN MY. AM I CORRECT IN THAT OR DID I MISS SOMETHING? SO THIS IS ANDY AGAIN WITH STANTEC.
SO ON THE FIRST PAGE FOR WATER, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL LIST OF PROJECTS.
IT ADDS UP TO JUST UNDER $208 MILLION.
AND SO THE NET BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US ON THESE CHARTS ON.
PAYING FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUT OF A COMBINATION OF RATES AND CAPACITY, FEES, AND HOW WE PAY FOR IT OUT OF RATES IS EITHER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, OR THE RATES HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE DEBT FINANCING NECESSARY TO BORROW THE MONEY TO COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS.
IT'S. I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES ON OLD WASTEWATER PLANTS.
SO YOU HAVE TO TIE IT TO, YOU KNOW, REUSE PROJECTS.
THE ONLY THING THAT YOU MIGHT GET FUNDING FOR IS THE CATASTROPHE.
I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE GRANT FUNDING ON WASTEWATER RIGHT NOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME ANALYSIS TO GET FINANCING ON SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS, AND I KNOW THAT PRESUPPOSES A RATE STRUCTURE THAT WILL SECURE THE DEBT FINANCING. BUT AND WE HEARD MR. TANNER SPEAK EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT REMAINS AN OPTION FOR THAT TIER TWO LEVEL FINANCING, THAT FINANCING. BUT THE CAPACITY WITHIN TIER TWO ON THE PROPERTY TAX PROPERTY SECONDARY.
YES. YEAH. I THINK MY ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 40 MILLION.
A ON TO KEEP THE SAME SEGMENT PRIVATE, TO KEEP THE SAME RATE.
AND ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS OR TIERS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE? SO WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCING, WHICH IS USUALLY A GREAT RESOURCE TO GO TO FOR LOW INTEREST RATES FOR THOSE CLIENTS, BUT IT ADDS COMPLEXITY TO YOUR PROJECT TOO.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF FINANCING.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET SOME FEDERAL SUPPORT WITH OUR LIAISONS AND SO FORTH, ALL BETTER.
BUT ONE THING I WOULD SAY, IN CLOSING, IF I COULD SYNTHESIZE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD, MAYBE IN THE WATER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WE MODIFY OR ADD ANOTHER FULL FUNDING OPTION THAT LOOKS AT A LEVEL PLAYING OF INCREASES VERSUS ONE THAT WAS FRONT LOADED, HEARD KIND OF A MORE EQUALIZED APPROACH IS DESIRABLE.
SO WE COULD PREPARE THAT FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM.
WE COULD SHOW THAT SCENARIO THAT I MENTIONED OF KIND OF A PHASED FUNDING OF THE FULL CAPITAL NEEDS AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, AND THEN THAT COULD FEED INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE RISK AND POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT SCENARIO.
BUT WE COULD PREPARE IT AND HAVE IT AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE.
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THE RATE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT OPTION FOR RECLAIMED? RECOGNIZING THAT THE FULL FUNDING OPTION, WE MAY HAVE TO, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, LOOK TO SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO COVER SOME OF THE OTHER RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT COSTS.IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
OR WOULD THEY BE BONDS THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK WITH LARGE FEES? OR BOTH. SIMILAR TO THE BOND THAT THE TWO PROPOSITIONS THAT WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR.
THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN TAX TO PAY FOR THOSE THAT WAS EXISTING CAPACITY WITHIN THEIR PROPERTIES.
OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
NOW, IT MAY BE FOR SOME MEGA PROJECTS LIKE RED RANCH WHO MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT FOR THE KIND OF PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH ARE GRADUAL INCREASES MAINTENANCE, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY PROPERTY TAX.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PAID FOR WITH BUYER FEES.
I MEAN, WELL, AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS.
WE'RE NOT SURE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DETAIL.
CAN WAIT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENT.
ERIN, SHANNON AND TIM AND ANDY.
WE'LL REGROUP AT 11 AND COME BACK ON BOARD FOR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING OBJECTIVES.
CHRIS RODY AND JACKIE MITCHELL.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET MOVING EVERYBODY.
OKAY, WELL, THAT WAS A CALL TO ORDER FROM GREG.
THANK YOU. YEAH. SO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT STILL BE DRIFTING AND GETTING THE SNACKS.
NEXT UP, WE'RE GETTING TO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING OBJECTIVES.
UPDATE THAT RICK AND CHRIS AND JACK FIELDS TO THIS.
MORNING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT AND START THE CONVERSATION.
AND CHRIS AND JACK WILL HELP WITH THE OBJECTIVES.
UPDATE. UM, JUST WANT TO RECAP.
BACK IN JUNE, WE HAD A RETREAT WITH COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES.
YOU PROVIDED US VALUABLE FEEDBACK DURING THAT MEETING AND WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION.
WE REVISED THE OBJECTIVES JUST SLIGHTLY WITH YOUR DIRECTION AND COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE TOOK THE PUBLIC APPROACH AND STARTED GOING OUT THE PUBLIC TO GET PARTICIPATION.
THAT'S REALLY WHEN THE TIRES HIT THE ROAD.
AND OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM REALLY TOOK ON THE TASK OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE TEAM.
I'M ONE OF FIVE BOOKS THAT KIND OF MANAGE THE PROGRAM AND DID THE OUTREACH.
JACK FITCHETT AND ALSO WE HAVE HEIDI TERRYBERRY IN THE BACK THERE AND GLORY'S THOUSAND.
UM, WE'RE THE ONES THAT KIND OF DID ALL THE PARTICIPATION TO THE OUTREACH AND DID A LOT OF WORK OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS SINCE YOU SAW US ON THIS.
SO THANKS FOR THEIR HARD WORK DURING THIS PROCESS.
SO OUR OUTREACH THIS SUMMER, OUR OBJECTIVES WERE TO CRAFT OUR OBJECTIVES TO REFLECT CURRENT NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR CURRENT OBJECTIVES WERE UPDATED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.
CORRECT AFTER WE DID SOME OUTREACH THEN.
SO IT'S TIME TO REFRESH THOSE.
I'LL TALK ABOUT CURRENT COMMUNITIES AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES.
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THOSE OBJECTIVES INTO OUR PRIORITIES.ALL RIGHT. THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE WE BASICALLY DID ONLINE SURVEY THAT WAS OPEN FROM THE TIME SHORTLY AFTER OUR CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL IN JUNE, EARLY JULY.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO ELECTRONICALLY GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE COMING SLIDE.
AND WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SEVERAL TIMES.
WE HAD OVER SEVEN MEETINGS WHERE MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM WERE OUT IN THE PUBLIC WITH THE BIG BOARDS AND TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT OUR OBJECTIVES AND THEIR THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
THE ONLINE SURVEY, IT RAN FROM 226 TO AUGUST 4TH.
WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS, BUT IT WAS REALLY OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS EACH OBJECTIVE.
SHOULD WE KEEP THE OBJECTIVE? YOU WANT TO DELETE THE OBJECTIVE, OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT OR MODIFY IN SOME FASHION AND ALSO PROVIDE US COMMENTS ON EACH OBJECTIVE.
THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE WHICH ONES THEY DID.
THEY COULD HAVE DONE ALL OF THEM, BUT JUST A FEW OF THEM.
OVERALL, WE'VE RECEIVED 77 SUBMISSIONS AND MOST PROVIDED COMMENTS ON MANY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES.
THEY REALLY DID HIT MULTIPLE ONES INSTEAD OF JUST FOCUSING ON ONE AREA.
WE DID A TEAM EFFORT WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE SARAH DECKER TEAM.
THAT WAS A GREAT PARTICIPATION IN THAT ONE.
WE ALSO MET HERE AT THE AQUAPLEX AS WELL AS THE MURDOCH CENTER OVER THE MONTH OF JULY.
OVERALL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, BUT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS.
SO WE HAD 66 FROM JUST THESE THREE MEETINGS.
BUT THERE WAS VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC.
HERE YOU SEE A LIST OF THE EVENTS THAT WE DID.
THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE A LOT OF PUBLIC SHOWS UP THOSE WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT WE DO, AND WE GET TO LISTEN TO MUSIC WHILE WE'RE THERE, WHICH IS GREAT. UH, SO WE DID THREE OF THOSE MOBILE HAVEN, JIM COLE MEMORIAL PARK, AND BUSHMASTER PARK.
UM, LOT OF TRAFFIC WAS THE KIDS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM IN THAT.
OVERALL, WE HAD 74 COMMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD AND AND PUT ON OUR BOARDS FOR US TO CONSIDER.
EVERYTHING. HERE'S A HERE'S MOBILE HAVEN PARK, OUR FIRST OUTREACH AND DEFINITELY HAS SOME KIDS THERE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, BUT IT WAS A GOOD EVENT, A GREAT DAY, A GOOD SUNNY DAY.
UM, BUT IT WAS JUST THE KICKOFF AND JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
SORITY. SO OUR OUTREACH DID HIT THE ADULTS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE TEENS UTILIZING THESE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAD THROUGH THE OUTREACH, THE SURVEYS AND THAT AND SO FORTH.
BUT THE YOUTH WERE GREATLY ENGAGED WITH THE COUNSELORS IN PARK.
UM, PROVIDING US THEIR FEEDBACKS AS REALLY YOUNG ONES, WHAT THEY SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ENGAGE THEM BY ASKING THEM CERTAIN QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE? UH, WHAT LAW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE FOR THE CITY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUILD IN THE COMMUNITY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WERE A MAYOR OR SO FORTH? UH, SO IT REALLY GOT THEM THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY SEE OUR CITY AND WHAT AMENITIES, WHAT THINGS THEY LIKE IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
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SOME OF THEM DREW PICTURES OF THINGS THEY WANTED WATERDROPS OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.UM, IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THE KIDS INVOLVED.
UM, AND THEN WE HELP THEM SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THESE OBJECTIVES.
THIS IS HOW WE ADDRESS THESE OBJECTIVES THAT THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AS YOUTH.
I'VE GOT TO TRY. AND THEN JUST SOME SOME COMMENTS ON SOME OF THE NOTABLE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE DID RECEIVE ON SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES WE HAD IN THE OBJECTIVES UNDER A HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNANCE.
IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT BEING EFFECTIVE, BUT ALSO BEING TIMELY NOTIFICATIONS.
TIMELY OUT IN THE PUBLIC WAS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY APPRECIATE NOTIFICATION OF UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THEY DID APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AS A GOVERNMENT, UH, SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY.
HOMELESSNESS WAS SOMETHING WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT WORD.
I THINK WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH OUR OBJECTIVE.
BUT THE WORD WASN'T THERE, WHICH WAS INTERESTING TO SEE.
UH, INCLUSIVE, ENGAGED COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON DEFINITIONS.
WHAT DO WE MEAN BY CERTAIN TOPICS? UH, NEED MORE DEFINITION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK EQUITY OR SO FORTH.
AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE BUILT IN DEFINITIONS TO OUR OBJECTIVES, WHICH WILL HELP EDUCATE AND EXPLAIN THINGS A ROBUST, RESILIENT ECONOMY SUPPORTING ROBUST, SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY.
BUT WHY WOULD THIS NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WE THINK A GOOD ECONOMY IS PROTECTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE DO HAVE THAT OBJECTIVE WITHIN THAT PRIORITY.
CAN'T JUST TRUST THE MARKET TO DELIVER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BEING A PARTNER IN THOSE THINGS.
WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS? OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
AND REALLY THESE OBJECTIVES ABOUT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO.
HOW ARE WE AS A CITY DRIVE THESE OBJECTIVES AND ADVANCE OUR COMMUNITY THE WAY THE COMMUNITY SEES FIT? SO THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE JUST KIND OF PULLED OUT FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST MONTH, MONTH OR TWO.
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED.
AND MAYBE IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE NOTES OR SO FORTH, I'D BE USEFUL FOR YOU TO HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO YOU DO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU, AND I WILL PASS IT ON TO CHRIS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON OUTREACH? THE TAX RATE ON WORKING HERE.
UM, YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL.
SO ON THAT LAST SLIDE, WE SHOWED SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WE GOT, WE GOT MANY MORE COMMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, JUST A FEW THAT REALLY WE TOOK TO HEART AND IMPACTED OUR THINKING AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A KID GAVE US THAT WOULD BE ASKED, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND THEY SAID, WE HELP THE HOMELESS.
WE WROTE IT DOWN AND WE LOOKED THROUGH IT AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE HOMELESS AS A WORD ANYWHERE IN OUR PERPETRATOR OBJECTIVES, SHOULD WE? SO THAT STARTED A WHOLE CONVERSATION OF HOW THOSE KINDS OF TERMS FIT IN WITH WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES DID.
IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS, I THINK 6 OR 7 YEARS OLD, BUT IT WAS A NICE KIND OF THING TO GET NOW, RICK, TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WENT OUT AND GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
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FOR THE SURVEY, WE HAD REALLY GOOD DATA ON WHETHER PEOPLE VIEWED A CERTAIN OBJECTIVE POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY BECAUSE THEY CHECKED A BOX.SHOULD IT REMAIN AS IT IS, SHOULD IT BE CHANGED, OR SHOULD IT BE REMOVED ENTIRELY? SO WE COULD SEE WHICH ONES, YOU KNOW, 80% HAD APPROVAL.
BUT IT'S HARDER WHEN YOU TELL SOMEBODY WHAT MATTERS TO YOU, AND THEY PUT IT ON THE BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT? SO WE WE HAD TO TAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GAVE US, FIGURED OUT WHAT THAT MEANT FOR OUR OBJECTIVES, TRIED TO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK WILL SPEAK TO THE WORK, THAT ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS, PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN, THE GOALS THAT ARE AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
WE THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB PUTTING THOSE INTO WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR SUGGESTED CHANGES.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO ON THIS SLIDE, JUST A FEW OF THE BIGGER.
BASED ON THAT COMMENT, WE WANTED TO ADD TIMELINESS TO OUR COMMUNICATION GOALS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT RETAINING EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST GETTING NEW ONES.
MAKING SURE THAT OLDER ONES CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE USABLE.
WE ADDED A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT COMPONENT SEPARATE FROM OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THINGS, SO WE ADDRESSED THEM DIFFERENTLY. THEN, HONESTLY, I THINK ONE OF THE BETTER THINGS WE'VE DONE HERE THAT I'M PROUD OF THE WORK ON IS THAT WE ADDED A DEFINITION SECTION.
THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FEEDBACK THAT, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS TERM MEANS.
WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SO FOR SOME OF THOSE TERMS THAT ARE VAGUE OR ARE JUST INDUSTRY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULDN'T REALLY BE EXPECTED TO KNOW, WE ADDED A DEFINITION SECTION THAT MAY BE A GOOD SUPPLEMENT TO THIS DOCUMENT.
SO IF SOMEONE SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT IT AND SAYS, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? SEEING TRYING TO JUST PUT SOMETHING HERE THAT'S MEANINGLESS SO THEY CAN CONSIDER WHAT THEY WANT.
SO WE EXPLAINED WHAT WE NEEDED MORE EXPLICIT TERMS TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE APPROACHABLE.
AND THEN FINALLY WE UPDATED THE REFERENCES TO LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.
THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN WITHIN YOUR HOUSING PLAN TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UPDATED FOR ANY CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2020, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY, THEIR NAMES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE WHEN THIS DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED IN 2020.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CHANGES WE MADE HERE.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE GLARE ON THIS VERY WELL.
THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
THANK YOU. SO WE'LL JUST GO WITH THE ORDER OF THE OR THE PARTIES.
LOOK AT THAT. WE'LL GO AROUND IN A CIRCLE ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
THE FIRST ONE BEING OUR HYDROPHOBIC ONE THERE.
THE SECOND ITEM, WE CHANGED THE WORDING AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT FLOWED VERY NICELY.
AND THEN WE ADDED INSTEAD OF CLEAR, CONSISTENT, CLEAR, CONSISTENT AND TIMELY.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE THOUGHT THAT WAS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT WAS THE IMPACTS ARE AMAZING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH EMERGENCIES, FLOODS, FIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE REALLY LEARNED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NOT JUST TO PUT OUT PROPER INFORMATION, BUT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS TIMELY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT AS AN EXPLICIT.
THE THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS KIND OF WORDED A LITTLE FUNNY.
SO WE WE CHANGED NAMES TO MAINTAIN.
THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM A FEW FOLKS IN OUR SURVEY.
WE THOUGHT THAT WORKED PRETTY WELL.
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SO WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THROUGH STRONG FINANCIAL POLICIES AND BEST PRACTICES, ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT IT HAS A LITTLE MORE FREELY.OH. WE ADDED EFFICIENT TO THIS NEXT ITEM.
A. IMPLEMENT AND COMMUNICATE INNOVATIVE AND EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THINGS THAT ARE NEW, BUT THINGS THAT WORK WELL.
AND THEN WE TOOK OUT WE THE MODEL FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.
OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO DO GOOD WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IT'S WORTHY OF RECOGNITION.
A. THIS LAST ITEM WAS ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN OUR RETREAT, ABOUT HOW TO USE THE WORD INCLUSIVE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, STILL TRYING TO GET EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THE BEST QUALITY EMPLOYEES.
SO THE WAY WE DECIDED TO GO ABOUT REWORDING THIS OR RECOMMEND REWORDING THIS AT LEAST TO BE AN INCLUSIVE EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, AND THEN REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO THE WAY WE RECRUIT JUST BY SAYING BY PROVIDING EMPLOYEES WITH NECESSARY TRAINING, SUPPORT COMPENSATION.
IT'S NOT SAYING WE WANT TO GO GET IT AND SAYING WE WANT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US FOR THE BIG REWARD.
AND. I'LL NOTE HERE AFTER THIS FIRST SLIDE.
IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S GREAT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO REALLY ENGAGE IN THESE OBJECTIVES OR TALK ABOUT THEM, YOU CAN HAVE TIME TO DO IT.
I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT IS WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL AGAIN AFTER WE DO THE CHANGES.
FIRST IS THAT SEEMS LIKE A THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
NOW THEY'RE SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
WE DID RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES TO THE FIRST TWO OF THESE OBJECTIVES.
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE. THEY WERE CONCISE, FAIRLY WELL WORDED.
THERE WERE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY EITHER ANY OF THESE THAT WE FELT NEEDED TO.
RESULT. ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
THE CITY HAS NO RESPONSE MODEL NOW THAT DID NOT EXIST IN 2020.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE REFERENCES TO THE WAY THAT UNIT WORKS IN THE SCHOOL.
SO BUILD UPON THE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE MODEL.
AND THEN JUST TO BEST SERVE THE MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A HUGE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, BUT IT DOES REFERENCE SOME OF THE NEWER PRACTICES OF THE CITY AND WORKS WELL TO ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT ABOUT ABOUT MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
AND WE FELT THAT FOURTH OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE, HONESTLY, PROVIDING PUBLIC SAFETY WITH MORE STAFF FOR TRAINING, THAT THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS BY THE CITY UNDER THAT OBJECTIVE IS REALLY IT WORKS PRETTY WELL THE WAY IT IS.
THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT CHANGING IT, SO WE FELT THAT.
BUT KEEPING THAT ONE AS IT IS FOR NOW AT LEAST.
SO GO TO THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL WELL-BEING THROUGH RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THIS IS PARKS AND TRAILS THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THEN WE CHANGED THE MULTIPLE THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.
THIS AND THOSE ARE TWO TERMS THAT ARE IN OUR DEFINITION THERE SEPARATELY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE WE FELT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WORK.
UM, ON THIS LAST ITEM, WE WE REMOVED REFERENCE TO RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAND USE.
ONLY THREE THINGS DON'T REALLY GO TOGETHER THAT WELL.
SO INCLUSIVE. ENGAGE COMMUNITY.
UM. ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS IN THIS SLIDE, WE PROBABLY SPEND MORE TIME DISCUSSING THIS SLIDE THAN ANY OTHER ONE, AND I EXPECT MAYBE WE'LL DO SOME MORE OF THAT HERE.
ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE CHANGE IS TO INCREASE, TO ENHANCE.
AND THEN WE REMOVED AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT KEVIN SAYS OVER HERE.
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IT'S BECAUSE THAT REALLY LIES IN ALL OF OUR OBJECTIVES.WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS FOR COMPLIANCE AND COMMONALITY IN ONE PLACE WITHOUT ANYWHERE ELSE SEEMS SEEMS UNNECESSARY, AND SEEMS AS IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT ELSEWHERE. SO WE STILL WANT TO DO IT.
WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL A NEED TO LIST THAT OUT EXPLICITLY IN ONE OBJECTIVE OVER THE OTHER ONES.
THIS IS THE SINGLE OBJECTIVE THAT WE SPENT THE MOST TIME DISCUSSING.
SO WE WE GOT TOGETHER, WE WE HEARD FROM THE CITY'S EQUITY ADVISORY GROUP ON LANGUAGE ON THIS ONE.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, THIS ONE.
THERE WERE FOLKS THAT SAID CITY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS AT ALL.
THERE'S FOLKS THAT SAID, WHY ARE YOU ONLY CALLING OUT RACE? THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
SO WE. IF WE UNDERSTOOD THE LANGUAGE, THE PROBABILITY IS VERY DELIVERABLE.
BUT AFTER DISCUSSION, WE WE LOOKED AT AND SETTLED ON TRAUMA INFORMS BECAUSE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER THINGS THE CITY IS DOING AND OTHER THE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE. AND IT'S INCLUSIVE OF THOSE TYPES OF ANTI-RACIST POLICIES, BUT IT'S ALSO INCLUSIVE OF A BROAD, BROAD SET OF OTHER AREAS.
WE FEEL IT STILL ENCOMPASSES WHAT IT WAS WAS LOOKING FOR THERE.
AND AND IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THOSE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT LATER ON.
BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXPLANATION OF HOW AND WHY WE GOT TO THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE.
WE CONTROL HOW MUCH THE CITY GETS INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE KIND OF FLIP THAT ONE AROUND.
SO IT'S THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT, NOT THE COMMUNITY'S INVOLVEMENT.
THAT'S THE PART THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
IF WE GO OUT AND GET THAT INVOLVEMENT, WE STILL GET THE INVOLVEMENT.
WE CAN'T JUST SIT AND SAY, HEY, WHY ARE YOU NOT CITY COUNCIL? WHY ARE YOU NOT ATTENDING COMMUNITY GROUPS? WE NEED TO BE GOING TO THEM. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE SWITCHED TO CITY COMMUNITY AROUND.
UH, TO PUT THE BURDEN ON US TO GO AND DO THAT, THAT KIND OF INVOLVEMENT.
UM. UH, THE CHANGE THAT WE HAD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO TALKING TO THE STAFF.
UH, WE REMOVED FAIR DISTRIBUTION OF EQUITABLE AND CHANGED IT TO ACCESS TO.
BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THAT WE THOUGHT MAKES A LITTLE BIT SHORTER AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CODES.
THEY'RE NOT. BUT WE JUST WANT TO FIND THAT TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE IS SUSTAINABLE INNOVATIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WE HAD ONE LESS OBJECTIVE EVERY OTHER PRIORITIES AND SIX OBJECTIVES.
THIS ONE HAS FIVE. SO THERE WAS LESS WORK TO DO ON IT AND IT WAS ONE THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS COMFORTABLE.
MY PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF GETTING WATER AND TRASH SERVICE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DONE VISUALLY.
THE 32 WE THOUGHT WERE PRETTY GOOD AT THIS ONE.
WE ADDED THE MAINTAIN ELEMENT ON THAT THIRD ONE.
WE JUST MOVED THAT RED STRIPE IS JUST MOVE IT ALL AND MAKE IT ALL DRAMATICALLY.
SO PROVIDE, MANAGE AND MAINTAIN.
THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER MANAGE INCLUDED THAT, BUT WE DECIDED TO JUST ADD THE WORD MAINTAIN TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS JUST PROVIDING IT.
AND THEN WE ADDED ON THIS LAST ONE ENCOURAGING COVERAGE BECAUSE WE WANT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST LIMIT OURSELVES TO MAKING THE CITY BE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE IT. THAT'S THE WE HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO HELP US WITH THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY. IT HAS TO BE THE WAY WE CAN LOOK FOR, FOR HELP.
SO WE DEVELOP, FACILITATE, DEVELOP.
THOSE ARE STILL THINGS WE CAN DO, BUT WE CAN ALSO ENCOURAGE IT FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY.
TIME, WHICH IS FUN. TO THE OTHER AND TAKES OVER.
IF WE HAD NO, WE HAD NO CHANGES ON THAT LAST BULLET POINT.
IT'S REALLY GOOD TIMING THERE. AND WE'LL MOVE ON NEXT TO I THINK IT'S ROBUST RESILIENT ECONOMY.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT JACK WAS SAYING.
SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION.
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IT WAS PERFECT TIMING. IT WAS AWESOME.GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS JACK FISHER.
BUT THESE AGAIN ARE JUST THESE CHANGES ARE REALLY AN EASY TAKE A DEEP BREATH.
AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT THE TEAM THINKS.
BUT AGAIN THESE IS THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY THIS IS THE PERFORMANCE WE GOT BACK.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THESE CHANGES.
THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO THANK YOU SIR.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE HAVE AS WE KNOW, IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
AND IT'S BEEN REFERENCED MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRIORITY AREAS.
WE DOWN SIMILAR TO WHAT CHRIS HAD JUST SAID, RELATED TO BUILDING AND ENHANCING RELATIONSHIPS WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMUNITY AND PARTNERSHIP ORGANIZATIONS.
SAME THING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WE AS A CITY CANNOT MAKE ANYONE PARTICIPATE AND WORK WITH US, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD AND THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GREATLY NEED RIGHT NOW AS WELL. SO THERE'S THAT CHANGE.
AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO THE LAST ONE AGAIN, YOU'LL RELATED TO MY FIRST POINT.
THIS IS RELATED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THERE WERE MANY COMMENTS RELATED OBVIOUSLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND WE'LL GET TO MORE OF THOSE IN A SECOND.
BUT AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN.
BUT THERE'S A SLIGHT DISTINCTION THERE.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THERE.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST KEEP MOVING DOWN.
SO NOW THAT'S KIND OF CHANGES HERE.
SO AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS DOING.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SUPPORT OUR PARTNERS.
BUT THIS IS WORK THAT WE ALREADY DO.
WE CAN CONTINUE TO ENHANCE AND PROVIDE THAT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO WE STRIKE THAT JUST ONE, ONE MENTION OF, AGAIN, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECT THAT JUST DISCUSSED SUPPORT, DIVERSE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND HIGH QUALITY JOBS. SO THE REASON THAT LIVING WAGE IS STRIPED IS BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HECK IS A LIVING WAGE? AND FLAGSTAFF, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK AND DON'T REALLY THINK THAT IT'S.
THIS GROUP'S JOB IS TRYING TO DETERMINE THAT FOR A HUGE VARIETY OF PEOPLE.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO INSTEAD IS BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LIVING WAGE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT CHANGE.
WELL GUESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBJECTIVES AND QUANTIFYING COMMUNITY VALUES.
SO IT'S PRODUCTION. AND WE WENT ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
AWESOME. AND SO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
FAIRLY MINOR CHANGES HERE AS WELL.
THIS IS KIND OF A REOCCURRING THEME THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY START TO NOTICE IS WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIP AND ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S INVESTMENT IN THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT SUSTAINABLE THINGS THAT WE DO.
WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER RESULTS BY ENCOURAGING AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS VERSUS JUST SAYING, GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO NOW? SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'VE GONE ABOUT IT AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THAT OBJECTIVE.
WITH AWARENESS OF SOCIAL INEQUITIES THAT'S ALREADY CAPTURED VERY WELL WITHIN.
SO THAT'S JUST REDUNDANT AGAIN.
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SO THAT STACEY NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.SO THIS GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT CHRIS AND RICK HAD DISCUSSED.
CHRIS ACTUALLY DID A TON OF WORK ON THIS.
AND REALLY GOOD JOB SPEAKING WITH SOME OF OUR VARIOUS DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS, SPEAKING WITH STAFF, WITH WITHIN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALSO USING THESE TERMS AND MEAN FOR ALL OF US HERE TODAY.
WE LIKELY KNOW WHAT ALL THIS MEANS BECAUSE WE USE THIS TERMINOLOGY FREQUENTLY FOR THE PUBLIC, THOUGH THAT MAYBE DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE MEANS OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WHEN WE PUT THESE PRIORITIES AND OBJECTIVES OUT ON OUR WEBSITE.
OR THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE COMES TO LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN ONE MORE SLIDE, PLEASE.
STACEY. AND THEN JUST TO GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO READ THOSE, BUT THINK THAT YOU'LL FIND THAT THESE ARE REALLY THE MOST UP TO DATE DEFINITIONS OF THIS TYPE OF TERMINOLOGY.
AND IT'S AND THIS GOES BACK TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS IS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HECK IS SOCIAL EQUITY, RIGHT? TOTALLY FAIR COMMENT. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WORK IN THAT EVERY DAY, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO KNOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE MAYBE CAN WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS FROM.
SUSTAINED FROM ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
AND THEN OPEN THE DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT.
SO WE WITH OUR TIMING OF THIS OUR WE'RE BUDGETED FOR TWO HOURS ON THIS ON THIS ITEM.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH ABOUT HALF AN HOUR OF IT.
SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE ABOUT 90 MINUTES TO DISCUSS ALL THESE IF YOU LIKE.
IF YOU WANT TO BE DONE EARLIER, THAT'S THAT'S FINE AS WELL.
IT'S ALSO LUNCH WOULD FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
SO WE COULD HANDLE THIS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE COULD TRY TO PUSH ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE EITHER OUR TIME IS EXHAUSTED, OR COUNCIL FEELS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN ALL THE FEEDBACK THEY WANT TO GIVE ON EACH OF THESE. AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAS BEEN HAD.
WE COULD SCHEDULE A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE AT SOME POINT AS WELL.
IF WE COULD DO IT NOW, WOULD YOU PREFER TO? SO THE TIMING OF THAT IS JUST A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD.
SO I WANTED TO. CAN I ASK SUCH QUESTIONS.
ABSOLUTELY. DOES STAFF DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THESE CHANGES? I'LL LOVE THAT.
AFTER WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
AND SOME OF THE CHANGES WE MADE WERE AT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SOME OF THE ONES ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND WHATNOT.
AND WHERE WE DIDN'T, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND CAME TO UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHY WE DID IT.
SO I WOULD SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT STAFF DOES BACK ALL OF THESE ISSUES AT THIS POINT.
SO ARE THERE ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? IN DEPTH. YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR SUGGESTIONS NOT TO GET INTO IT, BUT JUST DO YOU HAVE.
COMMENTS AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER? YES. YES.
DO YOU ALL THINK IT'S EXCELLENT? BUT DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTED EDITS.
OKAY. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT.
WE WE FELT THAT WE WERE DOING IT OURSELVES.
WE WE WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLES ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
THIS PROCESS BEGINS AND ENDS WITH THE COUNCIL.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN THEM AS WELL IF YOU WANTED TO.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT, MY APOLOGIES THROUGH RABBIT HOLES ARE NOT NECESSARY, BUT SUGGESTED EDITS ARE OF COURSE WELCOME. SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES DO WE BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW AND PICK UP THE DISCUSSION, OR DO WE DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH? IS THERE ANY FOOD HERE? YEAH, FOOD IS HERE.
IT IS READY. SO IT'S AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
IT'S NOT HOT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO GET COLD.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST A FEW SUGGESTIONS AND SOME LIGHT CONVERSATION.
SO YOU. OH, WELL, THERE WE GO.
SOME PAGES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE'LL GO BACK TO GOVERNANCE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING.
ALL RIGHT? SO WHETHER HE COMMENTS ON ON ON THE OBJECTIVES UNDER HIGH-PERFORMANCE GOVERNANCE.
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THE ONLY ONE THAT SPEAKS TO INTERNAL CITY FUNCTIONS, NOT TO COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. ONCE. GOING TWICE.IT GOES FOR OUR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ONLINE.
IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHAT IN.
DRAMA AND FOREIGN POLICIES AND GRACE.
I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE JUST HAVEN'T MADE ANY ACROSTAR EQUITY, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVE ACTIVITY.
WHAT THE HELL IS COMING? WELL, WE'RE INVOLVED IN A PROCESS WITH A GRANT FROM THE VITALIST FOUNDATION, AND THE EFFORT IS LED BY THE COCONINO COALITION OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH.
AND THE END GOAL IS TO BECOME A TRAUMA INFORMED COMMUNITY.
AND SO THERE'S TRAINING THAT ALL STAFF WILL GO THROUGH.
AND THE COUNTY IS DOING IT AS WELL.
UM, AND DON'T KNOW IF STEPH WANTS TO PICK UP ANYWHERE.
YEAH. I'LL SPEAK TYPICALLY I WOULD LOOK TO SHANNON ON THIS BECAUSE SHE'S CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM.
YES. CAN WE JUST GO PAST THAT AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK? YEAH. THANK YOU. THIS IS TO ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY QUESTION.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION VERY DIRECTLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TERM THAT EVERYBODY'S ACQUAINTED WITH.
BASICALLY, TRAUMA INFORMED MEANS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND CONSIDER THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF TRAUMA FROM A MULTITUDE OF SOURCES, INCLUDING EXPOSURE TO ABUSE, NEGLECT, DISCRIMINATION, VIOLENCE OR OTHER ADVERSE EXPERIENCES, AND PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTS OF HEALING AND RECOVERY.
SO AS AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED AND I THINK YOU ARTICULATED AS WELL, CHRIS, IT IT BROADENS THE DEFINITION THAT WAS ONCE ANTI-RACIST IS NOW BROADENING THAT TO OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
CERTAINLY DISCRIMINATION IS NOW A SUBSET OF THIS AND A VERY SIGNIFICANT ONE.
BUT OTHER FACTORS ARE NOW INCLUDED.
AND BY THE WAY, I THINK, MAYOR, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME, YOU SIT IN ON THE INDIGENOUS COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT I THINK OUR INDIGENOUS COMMISSION AND OTHERS HAVE HAVE ALSO WEIGHED IN ON ON THIS TRAINING, THE TRAUMA INFORMED TRAINING.
AND AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
I SEE THAT COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE HAS HER HAND.
YEAH, WELL, THAT'S MY KIND OF MOOD.
CAN WE HEAR WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE HAS TO SAY? BECAUSE IT MIGHT INFORM US.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO SPEAK ON THE.
I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE ADDITIONS OF THE, UM, UH, AREAS ON MENTAL HEALTH AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND JUST TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY'S POINT, I, I DO THINK THAT INCLUDING THE TRAUMA INFORMED IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE REMOVAL OF ANTI-RACIST.
UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT TRANSITION AT ALL BECAUSE FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND JUST IN THE WORK THAT I'VE, I'VE DONE IN DEI AND TRAUMA INFORMED, UM, MENTAL HEALTH FOCUSES, UM, WHAT'S OFTEN SAID IS THAT TRAUMA INFORMED WORK IS BASED ON ANTI-RACISM OR THAT ANTI-RACISM IS CORE TO TRAUMA INFORMED CARE.
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TRAUMA? SO IN OTHER WORDS, USING DIRECT LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF OBTUSE LANGUAGE.BUT THE TEAM, I'M INFORMED, IS PRETTY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THE CITY WANTS TO BE FOCUSING ON.
IF YOU WANT THOSE EXACT WORDS, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
AND I DO AGREE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.
MY ONLY POINT IS THE WORDS AND WORDING IS KIND OF OBTUSE.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT ONCE WE KIND OF GET USED TO THIS PHRASE AND SEE.
OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THIS PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE.
JUST THIS THIS OBJECTIVE HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST SCORES IN OUR SURVEY OF THE COMMUNITY, WHERE MOST OF THE OBJECTIVES CAME IN WITH THE APPROVAL RATINGS OF BETWEEN 70 AND 85% OR SO.
AND IT WAS IT WAS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND THERE WERE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, WHY IS THE CITY DOING THIS? THE CITY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THIS KIND OF THING AT ALL, YOU KNOW? AND THEN THERE WERE FOLKS SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE YOU LIMITING IT TO ANTI-RACIST? WHY OR WHY ARE YOU NOT INCLUDING LGBT AND POVERTY AND THOSE KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT CAN INFORM IT? SO WE LOOKED AT THESE.
AND IT ESPECIALLY THE THAT REFERENCE TO AN ANTI-RACIST THINK WAS A HOT POINT.
QUITE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ONE.
AND SO WE LANDED ON WE WENT TO IT WAS THE THE EQUITY GROUP WITH THEIR TITLE IS RIGHT NOW THAT.
INCLUSION AND ADAPTIVE WASN'T INCLUDED IN DEFINITION ON DIVERSITY AWARENESS.
YES YES WE WENT TO CODA AS WELL.
SUSTAINABILITY IS LIKE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR ALMOST DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET.
AND SO WE HEARD FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT INDIGENOUS GROUP AS WELL.
AND WE ALL CAME BACK TOGETHER AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION.
AND THE LEADERSHIP ACTUALLY WITH THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF LANDED ON, IS RECOMMENDING.
AND IT WAS BASED OUT OF THE LANGUAGE PEERS.
THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT.
WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGING IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO WITH THAT.
THAT'S JUST AN EXPLANATION OF HOW WE GOT HERE, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS OBJECTIVE, BECAUSE WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON IT AND WENT THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD TERM, SO DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT AS OUR COMMUNITY STARTS TO LOOK AT THAT GRANT AND IMPLEMENT PIECES OF IT, EVERYBODY WILL BECOME MORE MORE FAMILIAR.
BUT WHAT DID WANT TO SAY IS THAT OFTENTIMES.
AND SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
SO THAT'S JUST JUST JUST AN FYI.
AND SO YOU MAY NOTICE IF YOU GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT I SHARED WITH YOU ABOUT THE SURVEY RESULTS, THAT ANY OF THE OBJECTIVES TO THE WHOLE SLEW OF THEM THAT HAD REFERENCES TO THINGS LIKE ANTI-RACIST OR SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ANY KIND OF A WAY TENDED THEIR SCORES DROPPED ABOUT 10 TO 15% BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW THOSE TERMS, SAID, WE DON'T NEED THIS NONSENSE IN OUR IN OUR STUFF.
AND YOU CAN READ THE COMMENTS YOURSELF FOR HOW THEY WORDED THAT, THAT FEEDBACK.
BUT. THIS KIND OF THING EXISTS, WHICH WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE IT ACTIONABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE.
IT'S. WOULD RECOMMEND MAKING THEM.
SO WE JUST DO THESE UNILATERALLY.
COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, THANK YOU FOR RAISING.
CHRIS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SPEAK VERY MUCH TO THE SAME THING AS COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
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SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR YOUR COMMENTS THERE.I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, A FEW OF US DID ATTEND THAT TOWN HALL ON EQUITY YESTERDAY.
UM, TIME MEANS NOTHING ANYMORE.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY AND IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF OUR INDIGENOUS COMMISSION MEMBERS, WHO WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE AND A COMMUNITY LEADER IN TERMS OF MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ADVOCACY, THE IMPORTANCE OF STARTING FROM THAT POINT OF TRAUMA INFORMED CARE AND RESILIENCY IN ADDRESSING THE VARIOUS ISSUES AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT.
AND AND AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT LANGUAGE AS IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS A REMINDER TO US THAT THAT IS CORE TO THE CONVERSATION, IT'S CORE TO THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT.
FOR ME, IT IT FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO OUR MISSION STATEMENT AS A CITY.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
IT IS PART OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS, EVEN DOWN TO BUDGETING PROCESSES.
BUT IT MAY JUST BE A MOMENT THAT WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY MORE ON.
AND WE'RE IN THIS, RIGHT? AND.
COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. AND. ROBUST BRAZILIAN ECONOMY.
THIRD VOTE BECAUSE RELATIONSHIP SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE AN ASSET.
ENHANCE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BLAH BLAH BLAH.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. LET'S DO IT.
THE OTHER CHANGES ON THIS ONE.
TWICE. THE OTHER? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS GOING TO DO THIS.
PHILOSOPHERS LIKE TO BE DONE WITH PARTNERSHIPS.
THAT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT DO THAT DO EDUCATION, BUT WE WE DO HAVE A GOAL OF OF HELPING THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE SO.
IT'S GOING TO BULK UP, BUT I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT.
BUT THINK THE WAY IT WAS WORDED BEFORE WAS ACTUALLY BETTER.
OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THE INTENT OF REMOVING THAT FIRST PART WAS JUST TO MAKE IT MORE OPEN ENDED SO THAT IT COULD BE THE COMMUNITY, OR IT COULD BE THE CITY PROVIDING IT, BUT IT WASN'T LIMITING US FROM DOING IT WHERE WE FELT THAT THE FIRST ONE WAS SAYING THE CITY CAN'T DO IT, BUT CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO CHANGING IT BACK.
AND OUR SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.
WATER. IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.
UH, MAYBE A COMPROMISE THAT'S IN BETWEEN BOTH COMMENTS THERE WOULD BE TO SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UH, WORK WITH REGIONAL PARTNERS TO PROVIDE SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND NO ONE ELSE SAYS SO.
GOING BACK TO SOMETHING, I CAN FIND OTHER.
PARTNERS. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THINK THE MAYOR'S NOT THE MAYOR.
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YOU KNOW.THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. YEAH, I'M NOT HARD OVER ON THIS, BUT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND THE LAST ONE? AND. I HAVE ONE IN THIS TOO.
BLOOD. THINK YOU CAN TAKE OUT THE WORD EFFORTS AT THE END? SO IT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S INVESTMENT IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS ROBUST AND RESILIENT ECONOMY.
AND TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITIES WORKFORCE HOUSING AND SLASH ME OR.
OKAY, SO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY'S WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF. SO THE MEANING BEHIND THAT IS WE MOVED HOUSING RIGHT THERE.
ACTUALLY THE HOUSING HAS MOVED DOWN FROM THE FIRST GOAL HERE.
SO IT'S MEANT TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WORKFORCE HOUSING STAFF DEVELOPMENT AND WORKFORCE SUPPLY TO BOTH OF THOSE WORDS.
WHY DON'T WE SAY AND INSTEAD OF INTERNALLY DO THAT IT WAS JUST A WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SHORTER.
I'VE GO BACK TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
AND THE NEXT TO THE LAST BULLET IMPLEMENT, MAINTAIN AND FURTHER THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.
YOU TOOK OUT WITH AWARENESS OF SOCIAL EQUITY.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
SO AND IT WAS IT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT BY HAVING IT WRITTEN IN THE, THE OBJECTIVE WAS ONE THAT BECAME A FLASHPOINT FOR FOLKS TO CRITICIZE THAT.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT? I TOTALLY HEAR YOU.
BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CRITICIZE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.
SO I SAY PUT IT IN, BECAUSE THAT IS A TRIGGER POINT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES WHO WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.
OKAY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.02 AND ONLY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE.
SO IT'S GOT TWO VOTES, THREE VOTES, THREE.
DID WE DID WE FINISH ADDRESSING YOUR ISSUE WITH THE BULLET POINT ON THE ECONOMY? WORKFORCE, HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH. JUST SEPARATE BEAUMINET AND.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU? YEAH. THINK. TAKE THE SASHA OUT IN HAND AND YOU HAVE THE WORD.
DIDN'T THINK WOULD BE REPEATED.
AND I HAD TO COME IN ON DEFINITIONS AND YOU'LL LOVE THIS EXCELLENT COMMENT.
SECOND LINE AFTER THE WORD CRISIS.
TAKE OUT THE WORD OR EXCUSE ME, USE THE WORD OR.
BUT ADD A COMMENT. IS IT? WOULD YOU PICK YOUR DEFINITION? SECOND DEFINITION PAGE ONE OR PAGE TWO? ONE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE MODEL.
OKAY. THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE CARE FOR THOSE IN CRISIS.
OR NEEDING MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE ASSISTANCE.
THE GENERAL RULE IS YOU HAVE TO MS OR TO PAUSE THE SENTENCE.
YOU'VE GOT TO ADD A COMMENT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE.
HE'S A DOUBTER DROPPED HER STORE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE BOARD NEEDS TO STAY THERE.
WE JUST NEED TO ADD A COMMA AFTER THE WORD CRISIS.
SO IT WOULD BE CRISIS COMMA OR NEEDING MENTAL HEALTH, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
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YES, BUT NO COMMA AFTER THE WORD.SEPARATE THOSE CLAUSES, MAKE THEM MORE.
WELL, OKAY. SO ONE CONCEPT IS CULTURALLY SENSITIVE CARE FOR THOSE IN CRISIS.
AND THEN MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR SUBSTANCE USE IS ANOTHER CONCEPT.
THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE CONCEPTS.
IN OR ARE THEY 3D CONCEPTS? NO THEY'RE NOT. OKAY.
IF THERE WERE THREE THINGS, THEN IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, OR.
THEN. IN OTHER WORDS, THEN THE COMMENT AND THE OR THAT HATE TO GET INTO THIS SOUNDS LIKE A NITPICKY.
NOT AT ALL. MY FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE WAS A TECHNICAL WRITER.
BUT I TOLD YOU, WE'VE BEEN DOWN IN THE WEEDS ON A LOT OF THESE.
WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON A LOT OF OUR ALL THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.
SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE COMMAS ARE OR NOT.
SO I'M SAYING WHEN I WRITE SONGS, I USE VERY POOR ENGLISH JUST BECAUSE IT FLOWS BETTER.
WE THINK WE CAN ADD A COMMA THERE THAT WORKS.
COUNCIL MEMBER DON'T WANT ANYTHING.
EITHER COMMENTS ON THE DEFINITIONS AS WELL.
SO IF THERE'S COMMENTS THERE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM.
JUST APPRECIATE THAT YOU PUT THAT IN THERE.
THAT. I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE.
I THINK OVERALL, YOU GUYS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.
ANYWAY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK.
YEAH. THANK YOU. IF I MAY ADD, YOU KNOW, WITH ACCOLADES TO CHRIS AND JACK AND ANYBODY WHO HAD INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT OCCURRED LARGELY DURING THE COUNCIL RECESS AND WAS SEEN AS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO COMMUNITY.
GET THIS INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THIS RETREAT.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.
THANK YOU. AND I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT.
IT SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A PERIOD.
AND ALL THESE GIFTS ADD UP TO THE OTHER WORDS.
DO NOTICE THAT THERE IS SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S CAPITALS AND CAPITALS.
YOU CAN CORRECT THOSE AS WELL.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE CAPITALIZED.
AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PERIOD VERY.
APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL WE'LL MAKE THOSE EDITS AND GET BACK WITH YOU I THINK WE LIKE LIKELY BRING IT BACK AS A CONSENT ITEM FOR APPROVAL SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT ONE LAST TIME, BUT OTHERWISE WE'LL MAKE THOSE MINOR EDITS AND TIME TO EAT LUNCH FOR LUNCH.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TALK HERE.
15 MINUTES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
DON'T KNOW WHO WAS PRESENT AND IF THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS HERE.
WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC.
YES, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING? NO, I'M JUST GREAT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE.
LET'S DO HALF AN HOUR FOR LUNCH.
RIGHT. SO WE SPEND A LITTLE TIME THIS AFTERNOON COACHING FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE GOVERNANCE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU GUYS REFLECTING AND ALSO TALKING WITH EACH OTHER.
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OH, GOOD. OKAY.GOT A COUPLE LAUGHS. THOUGHT THAT MIGHT.
YES, BUT COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS IS SAYING NO.
BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BUSY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THINGS DONE.
SO LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.
SO FIRST JUST YOU CAN START OUT QUIETLY.
LIST SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME UP ON THE SCREEN.
SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES SINCE MAYBE THE LAST RETREAT.
SINCE THE. THINK THIS RETREAT WAS IT IN JUNE? WHAT IS? WE HAD TWO RETREATS IN APRIL AND I'M THINKING THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.
AM I WRONG THERE? WE HAVE ONE IN JUNE.
THANK YOU. IT WAS THE PREFACE TO WHAT YOU JUST SAW THIS MORNING.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT HERE.
ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
FOR THE SLIDE. DON'T KNOW. WE'RE DEFINITELY SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW.
BUT FOR THE SLIDE, LET'S GET THE COLORADO RIVER UP.
ANY TAKERS? OKAY, LET'S HEAR IT.
WELL, WE KNOW FROM NATIONAL WHAT'S HAPPENING NATIONALLY.
IF THERE'S A MCCARTHY INVOLVED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A BUDGET PASSED.
WE GOT TO ASK, IN SPITE OF MCCARTHY.
DID ANYONE ELSE GIVE THAT A SUCCESS IN SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT? SEE SOME HEAD NODDING HEADS NODDING IN HERE.
SO BUDGET PASS. WE PUT A COUPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS FOR THAT ONE.
LET'S SPEAK WITH SUCCESSES RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL BE SURE TO LOOK AT CHALLENGES HERE.
THAT MUST BE A BIG ONE THOUGH.
OKAY. UM, WHAT OTHER SUCCESSES ARE SHOWING UP? MAYBE WE CAN GO THIS WAY.
SO. UH COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SHARED VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR DAGGETT.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE SOMETHING FROM YOUR SUCCESSES? WITH. THINK FOR ME.
ARE WE SHARING OUR SUCCESSES IN DARK SKY PRESERVATION? THE REST OF THE. EVERY COMMUNITY.
SO DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO GET ON BOARD FOR THAT ONE? SHARING THE SUCCESSES IN THE DARK SKY.
PRESERVATION IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
ANY CAN WE GET A THUMBS UP FROM ANYBODY? QUOTE FROM THE ONLINE PARTICIPANTS IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.
ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME EXCLAMATION POINTS ON THERE.
THE 8.9 MILLION THAT THE LEGISLATURE.
OR 20. FROM A STATE LEGISLATURE TO OKAY.
AND WE CAN ADD TO THAT, IF I MAY.
DOES THAT GET SOME EXCLAMATION POINTS?
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IS ANYONE ELSE NODDING ALONG THAT? THAT WAS A BIG ONE. NO, GREG CHIMED IN.OKAY. SEE? WIDE EYES, BIG NODDING.
WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO GET UP THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET? WHETHER YOU'RE ONLINE OR PRESENT, WHAT IS ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET UP? WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON OUR HOUSING CHALLENGES AND THE PROJECT GETTING CREATIVE AND.
FUNDING TOWARDS THAT HOUSING CHALLENGES.
OKAY. WHAT ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
WELL, I WENT TO THE MEETING ON TUESDAY AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW WE RECOVERED FROM OUR RECYCLING DEBACLE IN ONE WEEK. I WAS PRETTY PROUD OF THAT.
THAT WAS TURNED AROUND, AND I THINK THE ONE THAT MIRANDA JUST GAVE WAS AN EXCELLENT ONE, TOO.
SOME GOOD SUCCESSES EVERYBODY HAD ON THE BACK.
I HEARD PICKLEBALL AS A CHALLENGE.
WHAT ELSE SHOWN UP IN THERE AS CHALLENGES? WHAT ELSE IS ON THE LIST? AND MAYBE WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU OVER HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET I'M GOING TO SAY ANOTHER DOCTOR AT THE HOSPITAL.
CORRECT? DEALING WITH MISINFORMATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
CHALLENGING COUNCIL VOTE AND REZONING OF PROPERTY ON COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
ALSO THE HOSPITAL BEING THERE IN THAT CHALLENGE CATEGORY.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE, GOTTA GET IT OUT THERE AS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES? COUNCIL'S BEEN WORKING ON A NOISE ORDINANCE SINCE 19.
SINCE 2019, WE STILL HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT ISSUE.
AND PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP IN THEIR HOUSE.
THEY'RE VICIOUS RABBLE IN THERE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE'VE WORKED ON AND WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED.
ALL RIGHT, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE SHOWS UP.
HOW TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING WE NEED TO PAY FOR.
THAT'S GOT HER HAND UP AS WELL.
SO A LOT OF REALLY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS WENT INTO FLOOD MITIGATION AND AND PUTTING IN SOME REALLY VALUABLE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE. AT THE SAME TIME, IT STILL IS VERY MUCH A CHALLENGE.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY TESTED YET.
UM, BUT I THINK AT 100% BELONGS UNDER BOTH.
FLOOD MITIGATION? YES, ON BOTH SIDES.
IT'S BEEN. I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE A NEW PERSON WHO IS NOT AMENABLE TO CONGRESSIONAL.
NEW CONGRESS PERSON NOT AMENABLE TO CONGRESS TO CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING.
THIS IS. AND WHILE YOU'RE OVER THERE, JUDY.
IN THE CHAT, COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAS NOTED AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A CHALLENGE.
WELL, THANKS FOR GETTING THESE OUT THERE.
CHALLENGES AHEAD AND AND BEHIND.
THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO LOOK AT THOSE.
SO TAKING THIS IN MIND, WE WANT TO THINK OF THE COUNCIL AS A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAM.
WITH ALL THESE SUCCESSES UNDER YOUR BELT AND CHALLENGES TO WORK TOGETHER AHEAD OF YOU.
SO IN A MOMENT, I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT ARE CHARACTERISTICS OF HIGHLY MOTIVATED TEAMS, BUT ARE MOTIVATORS OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAMS. BUT LET'S HEAR FROM YOU GUYS WHAT'S COMING TO MIND.
AND YOU CAN THROW IT IN THE CHAT OR RAISE YOUR HAND OR POP IN.
STARTS WRITING. MUTUAL RESPECT.
EVEN WHEN JOHNSON. EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T AGREE.
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ANYTHING ELSE I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU THREE? SO LET'S GET AT LEAST THREE HERE FROM THE COUNCIL.ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINKING OF? LET'S SEE WHAT THE RESEARCH SAYS.
THIS IS FROM PEOPLE STRATEGY BY JACK ALTMAN.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OH OH SHARED VISION AND GOALS.
THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN.
PUT IT TOGETHER, THOUGH WE'VE HAD IT FIGURED OUT.
I'M CONFUSED BY THAT CALENDAR, BY THE WAY.
IT'S LIKE. YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING.
IT KIND OF BRINGS ME UP THERE.
GREAT. SO, FROM JACK ALTMAN, PEOPLE, STRATEGY, PURPOSE, COMMUNITY AND GROWTH.
SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I MEAN BY PURPOSE.
COMMUNITY WHO WE DO IT WITH MATTERS.
IS THIS RINGING FOR YOU GUYS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAMS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ON? YOU SAY PURPOSE, COMMUNITY AND GROWTH ARE PART OF IT.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE.
SO FOR ME, I THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY RINGS TRUE.
I THINK OF COUNCIL AS A COMMUNITY, BUT I'M ALSO WORKING IN THE BIGGER.
YOU ARE SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU DO.
AND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE TEAMS YOU'VE BEEN ON, CAN YOU SEE THESE SURFACING IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? I WOULD SAY, UM.
AND I WOULD SAY YOU IN THE DEAN'S OFFICE.
AND THEN ALSO THE GROWTH OF STUDENTS WAS IMPORTANT.
SO WE TOOK GROWTH IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY THAN WE MIGHT HERE.
SO SO THE GROWTH OF OUR STUDENTS AT THAT TIME.
AWESOME. SO YEAH, TYING INTO COMMUNITY AND GROWTH, THE GROWTH OF THE STUDENTS.
ITS ONLY PURPOSE. NO ONE'S MENTIONED THAT ONE YET.
AND IT'S. AND THINK FOR THIS COUNCIL, WE DO SHARE THE SAME PURPOSE.
WE HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF AGREEMENT ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT EVERYONE IS HERE TO WORK AND TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
THERE'S NO ONE WHO'S HERE TO OBSTRUCT.
OKAY. THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO OBSTRUCT.
THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON.
ARE YOU ALL MOTIVATED BY THE PURPOSE? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT.
THE COUNCIL HERE IS IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THAT SENSE OF PURPOSE.
WELL, VERY HAPPY AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS THAT THERE WERE MEMBERS SAYING THAT THEIR ROLE WAS TO INSTRUCT AND AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LIKE THAT ON THIS COUNCIL.
A COMMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
SO I'M, I LOVE PURPOSE BEING THE FIRST ONE.
I THINK OUR PURPOSE IS OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN FOR POSITIVE GROWTH, WHETHER IT'S IN EDUCATION OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING.
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EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. YOU'RE WITH ME.
SO THESE THREE THINGS POWERFUL AND MOTIVATING.
SO LET'S TAKE THESE THREE CONCEPTS AND TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND SEE HOW WE CAN USE THREE CONCEPTS WITHIN THIS TO HELP THIS COUNCIL BECOME A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAM.
HIGH-PERFORMING GOVERNANCE PETITIONS AND FAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS NOW.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME UP LATER TODAY.
IS THIS CONCEPT THAT HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS ARE LOW ON ADVOCACY AND HIGH ON INQUIRY.
SO WE'VE GOT A CHART HERE FOR EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IF YOU WOULD TURN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR IN GROUPS OF 2 OR 3.
THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU AND HOW YOU'RE DOING WITH THESE PERSONALLY.
KNOWING THAT A HIGH PERFORMING TEAM IS LOW ON ADVOCACY AND HIGH ON INQUIRY.
AND NO LAVA CAME UP EARLIER TODAY.
LISTEN. I'M SPACING OUT ON THE A RIGHT NOW.
ACKNOWLEDGE, VALIDATE AND ASK QUESTIONS.
SO YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS HOW.
ARE YOU MORE OF AN ADVOCATOR OR AN INQUIRER? CLUSTERS. AND GROUPS OF 2 OR 3.
SO. WE CAN ONE AND TWO AND TWO ASK QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS ONE AND TWO AND TWO.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, ONE IS NOT.
STRONGER. AND THE OTHER ONE IS.
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YEAH. SO A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THAT INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY VERSUS.C COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE AND MATTHEW'S CHIMED IN BOTH MORE OF AN INQUIRER.
UM, MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR, WOULD YOU SHARE WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? UM. IT TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE TWO THINGS PLAY OUT WITH US.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHERS, LIKE HOW THEY THINK WE HOW WELL WE BALANCE THESE THINGS.
BECAUSE I'M KNOW SEE THAT TWO INQUIRERS AND MY FRIENDS CALL ME THE INQUISITOR BECAUSE I ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE ALL COME INTO THIS ROLE.
BUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADVOCACY IN MIND, AT LEAST TOPICALLY.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE SPACE TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE'S VIEWS AND VALUES.
UH, I NOTICED ON THE NOTES THAT THE TRUE NORTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE VALUES YOU BRING? TO THIS DISCOURSE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET ELECTED ON, IS HOW WELL WE COMMUNICATE THOSE AND HOW WELL WE REFLECT THOSE BACK AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.
I AM VERY PROUD OF BEING A PART OF THIS EXPERIMENT OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS GROUP IN PARTICULAR AND SERVING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE SMARTER AS A GROUP THAN ALONE, AND WOULD NEVER MAKE THE CLAIM THAT IF I COULD JUST WAVE A WAND AND GET THINGS DONE ON MY OWN, THAT THAT THINGS WOULD BE GETTING DONE CORRECTLY OR SO, THEN THE SEVEN OF US COVERING EACH OTHER'S BLIND SPOTS AND HAVING THAT.
THAT DIALOG AND THAT INQUISITIVENESS.
UM, THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER.
UM, THE VALUES THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE.
THE ARTICULATE VALUES THAT GOT US ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND JUST THE THE TOTALITY OF INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO COME TO A TO, TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS REPRESENTED.
AND. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IMBALANCE IN COURSE OF ACTION.
GLAD THIS THING'S BEING RECORDED, RIGHT? UM, SO PART OF WHAT I HEARD IS, LIKE, WE'RE ELECTED BECAUSE WE ARE ADVOCATES, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE VIEWS, AND THAT'S OUR TRUE NORTH.
THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS FROM THE LAST RETREAT THAT THAT STUCK OUT.
BUT WE ALSO LISTENED TO EACH OTHER.
WE COVER EACH OTHER'S BLIND SPOTS.
DID PICK UP WHAT YOU PUT DOWN.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WHERE I MISSED SOMETHING.
SO IS THAT SENSE OF BOTH ADVOCACY AND INQUIRY IN THAT SENSE OF INQUIRY ALSO BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOU A STRONGER TEAM? LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THIS GROUP OF SEVEN, YOU WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON TO WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND GET IT ALL DONE BY YOURSELF.
ANY OTHER BIG HIGHLIGHTS YOU GUYS WANT TO POINT OUT FROM YOUR SMALL CONVERSATIONS? BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT.
I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT SOUNDS KIND OF NEGATIVE.
UM, BUT IN THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE, UM, AND I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE I USED THE OTHER NIGHT WAS WHEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE CARBON NEUTRALITY.
AND SO I ASKED THE TEAM, UH, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T MEET OUR GOALS BY THEN WITH THE WORLD BLOW UP WAS BEING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND SO I SEE THAT AS A POSITIVE.
I'M ALSO INQUIRING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH MY COMMENT, PEOPLE LISTEN TO IT AND PROBABLY SAY, OH, SHE'S BEING WHATEVER SARCASTIC BUT WASN'T, I WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
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AND SO I THINK THAT WE ARE INQUISITIVE OR WE'RE INQUIRING ABOUT OR SEEKING WISDOM IN THE ROOM OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT WANTED FOLKS TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THE WORLD WASN'T GOING TO STOP IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT.AND SO SOMETIMES I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THAT, WE REALLY AND WE'RE ADVOCATING, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING THE STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE, AT LEAST I THINK, UH, AT LEAST I TRY.
SO, YEAH. AND SOMETHING I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY TOO, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ACTING AS AN ADVOCATE, YOU'RE INFORMED BY YOUR INQUIRY, LIKE YOU'RE BRINGING THE INQUIRY YOU'VE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THAT IN ANOTHER SETTING, IN THE SETTING THAT YOU'RE IN.
YEAH. THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
WELL, CAN YOU HELP ME GET A LITTLE CLOSER? WELL, UM. MM.
OKAY. UM, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, LIKE, WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADVOCATE.
AND I'M ALSO HEARING YOU SAY YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF INQUIRY, UM, AS PART OF THAT.
RIGHT? GOTTA LAUGH AT SOMETHING SO SERIOUS.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE POSTED A COMMENT.
LEADING OUR INQUIRY RATHER THAN LEADING OUR INQUIRY THROUGH ADVOCACY.
ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO SHARE THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? THINK. WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY.
THIS MAYOR BROUGHT UP THE WORD TRUST, AND FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I HAVE THE TRUST OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, NO MATTER HOW SILLY MY QUESTION MIGHT BE.
I HAVE THAT AMONG MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE'RE ON THE DAIS, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, AND IT'S BEEN HELPFUL WITH THIS TRUST.
THERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET INTO THE INQUIRY.
EXCELLENT. THANKS. I'LL JUST SAY THAT.
WHAT'S ON THE BOARD THERE? HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS ARE GOING.
TO ME THAT'S KIND OF NEGATIVE BECAUSE IT'S SO ABSOLUTE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE PATH OF DOING BOTH OF THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY IS WHAT WE DO BEST.
YEAH. THIS IS THE BOTH AND MORE SITUATION.
THIS IS A SLIDING SCALE OF A SPECTRUM.
AND NOT JUST KIND OF LIKE VICE MAYOR ASLIN SAID.
LIKE MAKING IT ALL BE DONE MY WAY.
SO SO ALL OF THIS OR ALL OF THAT DOESN'T WORK.
INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY AND THINKING ABOUT HOW A LOT OF INQUIRY CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL.
YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM.
DEFINITIONS ARE IMPORTANT AND HOW WE PERCEIVE THOSE DEFINITIONS.
UH, ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN I THINK ABOUT ADVOCACY, I DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT AS A NEGATIVE.
I THINK ABOUT THAT AS A POSITIVE.
AND I THINK THAT ON A COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD ADVOCATE AND THINK IT SHOULD BE HIGH BECAUSE YOU'RE REPRESENTING A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO ARE NOT SITTING IN THAT SEAT.
AND YOU HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE VOICES.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE SECTION OF THE OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE VOTED FOR.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR ONE GROUP OR THE OTHER.
AND I'M NOT BEING CONFRONTATIONAL, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS.
YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN ELECTED BECAUSE YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR YOUR PEOPLE, FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
YES. AND WHAT I'M HEARING, THOUGH, IS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE BRINGING THIS COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE OF DOING YOUR LISTENING, DOING YOUR INQUIRY WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM.
I HEARD IT KIND OF THE SAME WAY, BUT LIKE WHEN SAY IT BACK TO YOU, I'M NOT QUITE RIGHT THERE.
SO. BUT I'M HEARING YOU SAY LIKE AM AN ADVOCATE.
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AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, RIGHT.
SO THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THEM.
YOU'RE WITH ME WITH THAT. OKAY. YEP.
YEAH. OKAY. YOU'RE WILLING TO BE AT LEAST YOU'RE WILLING TO TRY THAT ON.
GREAT. WELL, IT'S KIND OF A FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, AS I SEE THE EXAMPLES OF ADVOCACY HERE, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF INDIVIDUAL ADVOCACY.
AND I SAID, YES, BUT EVERY TIME I HEAR YOU ADVOCATE, YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT STATING YOUR VIEWS, RATHER STATING THE VIEWS OF THOSE WHO YOU MET WITH IN THE COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM OR THOSE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE.
BUT AS YOU READ THE EXAMPLES, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALIZED KIND OF SORT OF.
I THINK THAT WE COULD ALL DO A BETTER JOB OF ASKING QUESTIONS AND FACILITATING DISCUSSIONS.
AND I TRY TO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS WITHOUT AT LEAST ON BIG ISSUES.
I'LL HAVE A WAY THAT I'M LEANING, BUT I REALLY AM RELYING ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUES BRING TO THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE MY DECISION.
AND ALSO, I THINK WE'RE ALL ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND SAY, I'M ADVOCATING FOR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
BUT I ALSO HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF ALL THE CITY'S NEEDS AND FUNDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO DON'T COME IN WITH LIKE, WE ARE DOING IT THIS WAY OR NO WAY.
MOVING THE NEEDLE ON THIS ISSUE.
YOU'RE LEANING AND YOU'RE LISTENING.
AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BRING THAT ADVOCACY TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE.
WELL, NO, CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE.
AM I AM I GOING TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE LIKE ALSO GOING TO ADVOCATE BUT WITH AN OPEN MIND OR.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THEN WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THE NEXT THING TO COME.
WHAT I THINK MY ROLE IS AS THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON, I'VE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF A STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION THAT ADVOCATED ADVOCATING FOR A CERTAIN VIEWPOINT.
BUT THAT ISN'T MY ROLE AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
MY ROLE AS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER LISTEN TO ALL SIDES, LIKE TAKE THE HOSPITAL, FOR INSTANCE.
I MET WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GUNG HO, 100% BEHIND.
WELL, WHAT MY ROLE WAS IS TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY.
IT WAS MY ROLE TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND THEN MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION THAT WAS OVERALL BETTER.
THANKS SO MUCH. THAT JUST SO SUMS THIS UP.
IS LIKE YOU SERVED IN THIS ROLE WHERE YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE AND YOU WERE PUSHING FOR SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR, BUT YOUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND MY SUGGESTION IS LIKE ON AN EFFECTIVE TEAM, A LOT OF TIMES YOUR ROLE IS TO LISTEN.
AND BE EXPOSED TO THOSE OTHER VIEWPOINTS.
LET'S LOOK AT THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU.
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THE. YEAH.LET'S. YAY! SHUT UP! HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS. PRIORITIZE. THEY'RE PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS.
YES. SO DISCERNMENT IS KEY WITH THESE HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS. WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE CITY IS THAT IT TAKES THE 25 SIGNATURES TO GET A PETITION BROUGHT, AND IT TAKES 1200 TO GET ON THE BALLOT. IS THAT CORRECT? 1313.
OKAY, SO YOU CAN GET A LOT OF PETITIONS BROUGHT FORWARD.
AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER ANY OF THESE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM RIGHT NOW.
JUST LOOKING THAT YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF PETITIONS COME ACROSS YOUR COME ACROSS YOUR RADAR.
SO WITH THIS SENSE OF DISCERNMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEBATE.
SO I HAVE A FRIEND. HE LOVES DEBATE.
I CAN BE TALKING WITH HIM AND LISTENING TO HIM ALL ALL ON ONE SIDE.
ALL THE WAY IN. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE MEET UP AND HE'S ALL THE WAY IN ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE FOR HIM.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT. ANYBODY LIKE THAT HERE, YOU JUST WANT TO DO THE DEBATE.
INTERESTING. SO I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL HERE IF YOU'VE SEEN UNHEALTHY DEBATE IN OTHER COUNCILS OR ON OTHER TEAMS. OKAY, OKAY, I'M SEEING SOME HEAD NODS.
WOULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? UNHEALTHY DEBATE. LET ME THINK ABOUT HOW TO WORD IT SO AS NOT. TO.
SURE SOMEONE ELSE CAN THINK OF.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO SHARE AN EXAMPLE OF AN.
OF OBSERVING UNHEALTHY DEBATE, WHETHER IT WAS A TEAM YOU WERE ON OR SOMETHING YOU OBSERVED WITH A DIFFERENT COUNCIL OR A DIFFERENT TEAM? YES. JUST GO TO CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T EVALUATE THE ISSUE AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COUNTRY.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF YOU'RE IN R AND THIS IS MY POSITION, THIS IS MY POSITION.
IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO THAT THE R'S AND D'S OKAY.
THEY RAN AS R'S AND D'S AND THEY GOT ELECTED.
BUT ONCE THEY GOT ELECTED, THEY SAY, HEY, WE GOT SOME [INAUDIBLE] TO GET DONE HERE.
AND THEY SIT DOWN TOGETHER, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, TIP O'NEILL, LEFT WING.
USED TO GO HAVE DINNER WITH WITH PRESIDENT REAGAN.
RIGHT WING. THEY TALK TOGETHER AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
YES. THEY TALKED AND THEY PROBABLY LISTENED SOME TO EACH OTHER.
CALL A STALEMATE CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.
OTHER EXAMPLES YOU'RE THINKING OF MAYBE OF TEAMS YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT HAVE HAD SOME UNHEALTHY DEBATE.
ADVOCACY. CAN'T BE ALL ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS.
HAVE YOU? GOT SOME WORDS FORMED ON WHAT A THINK WHAT I'VE SEEN.
AND I'LL SAY THIS IN A MORE GENERAL SENSE, BUT I'VE SEEN.
ALMOST LIKE THE PETITION WAY OF BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT.
COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAD SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT.
AND RATHER THAN LIKE BRING PEOPLE ALONG IN A DISCUSSION, IT WAS JUST PLOP DOWN LIKE, VOTE ON THIS RIGHT NOW AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION OR ASKING QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THAT, THERE'S REALLY.
NO ROOM FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OR ENGAGING IN DIALOG.
THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT'S GOT.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO GET IN A GROUP MAYBE A DIFFERENT GROUP.
MAYBE WE'LL DO UM, UH THREE AND THREE.
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WHAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SITUATION FOR YOUR HEALTHY DEBATE TO TAKE PLACE? ALL RIGHT.WORLD TODAY, THE IDEAL SITUATION FOR FLAGSTAFF WAS LIKE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN. WHAT? WHAT WOULD HEALTHY DEBATE LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD BE SO HEALTHY? SHAPE. IT'S.
FOR YOU. VERY. SMART QUESTIONS. YEAH.
ACTUALLY, THOSE ARE JUICY THINGS.
ACTUALLY. ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS READY TO SHOOT? ALL RIGHT. SURE.
SO LET'S HEAR FROM YOUR GROUP, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE GUYS CHIME IN.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S BEING HAVING THAT SENSE OF BEING SAFE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE AND.
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THROUGH THAT, THE MORE YOU'RE ABLE TO ENGAGE ON OTHER TOUGH TOPICS.SAY THAT AGAIN. SO WHEN YOU KIND OF LIKE INITIATING YOURSELF, SAYING, HEY, I'M GOING TO BRING THIS TOUGH TOPIC UP AND I'M GOING TO SAY MY PIECE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MAYBE THE MAJORITY.
WHEN YOU START DOING THAT, IT KIND OF SNOWBALLS INTO FUTURE MEETINGS.
FUTURE TOPICS DIDN'T GET, THE DAGGERS, DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, SCOFFED.
I'M ABLE TO TALK FREELY, EXPRESS MY OPINION, EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS AND.
DO IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE, OKAY? THAT YOU'RE IN A SAFE PLACE, YOU CAN BRING YOUR OPINION, EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHT EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR, OR WHEN YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR. I ADDED OF MY OBSERVATION THAT THIS COUNCIL IS VERY ENGAGED.
ALL SEVEN MEMBERS ON PRETTY MUCH ALL TOPICS.
UH, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS CAN BE CONSUMED BY, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 VOICES.
BUT THIS COUNCIL SEEMS TO PLACE A HIGH PRIORITY ON HEARING EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS.
WHAT CONSTITUTES A GOOD COUNCIL DEBATE ON ANYTHING.
I THINK PART OF THE ANSWER IS INCLUSION OF ALL.
ALL SEVEN MEMBERS ARE ENGAGED OR HEARING VOICES FROM EVERYBODY PRESENT.
LET'S HEAR FROM SOME OF THOSE JUICY COMMENTS YOU GUYS MENTIONED.
HOW DO YOU COME TO A CONCLUSION? WELL, IN THE END, WE HAVE A VOTE.
BUT. DON'T HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE AN HONEST, OPEN DISCUSSION.
IN THE END, WE HAVE A VOTE, BUT THAT'S AFTER WE HAVE AN OPEN, HONEST DISCUSSION.
THE OTHER THING IS, SOMETIMES THERE'S ROOM FOR COMPROMISE.
I YOU THE EXAMPLE. I DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ELECTRIC MOTORBIKES ON FOOT STRIPS.
WELL. THE COUNCIL AGREED THAT TWO OF THE FOOT'S TRAILS WE WOULD DISALLOW ELECTRIC BIKES AND ON THE OTHER ONES WOULD ALLOW THE BOOKS AND VOTED FOR IT.
AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAD A COMPROMISE.
AND A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WERE REALLY MAD AT ME FOR VOTING FOR THAT.
BUT I FELT GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
YEAH, WELL, THANKS FOR THAT, MAYOR DAGGETT.
WHAT WAS IT YOU SAID THAT WAS SO.
JUICY IN THAT COMMENT PERIOD ABOUT.
OH, WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE IS LIKE.
WELL, I MEAN, BOUNCING OFF OF COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET STATEMENT ABOUT, UM, HAVING MUTUAL RESPECT SO THAT YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTION AND YOU CAN DISAGREE.
YOU CAN JUST THINK THAT OUR DEBATES ARE HEALTHY AND.
IF WE HAVE HEALTHY DEBATE AND.
DID YOU SAY? NO? I CAN'T BELIEVE I SPACED IT OUT.
THAT THE DISSENTING VOICES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT HELPS YOU SEE A.
YOU KNOW, A PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE CONSIDERED.
HEARING THE DISSENTING VOICES HELPS YOU HEAR A PERSPECTIVE YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED.
AWESOME. SO THINKING ABOUT DISCERNMENT AND WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE LOOKS LIKE SO THAT YOU CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF LISTENING, A LOT OF RECOGNIZING THE SAFE PLACE, BEING WILLING TO TRUST EACH OTHER, UM, FEELING SAFE TO SPEAK YOUR VIEWPOINT, EVEN IF IT MIGHT BE A DISSENTING VIEWPOINT.
AND THEN RECOGNIZING THAT THAT DISSENTING VIEWPOINT HELPS EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE EXPAND.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY HERE, NOT FEELINGS.
COMING BACK TO THE TOTALITY OF INFORMATION, AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING YOU CAN EVER ACHIEVE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE SPATULA EFFECT THAT BATHROOM.
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BUT. I CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT USING A BOAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I FEEL THAT WE HAVE THOROUGHLY EXPLORED THE TOTALITY OF THE INFORMATION SPHERE AND THAT PERSPECTIVES WERE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD.UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AN ODD NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NUMBER OF GUYS, AND ALSO.
BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TURN OVER ENOUGH STONES.
I HEARING YOU RIGHT. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE SLIDE SAYS THEY'RE PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS A.
YES. SO WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT AFTER WARRANTING A YES IS BEING ABLE TO LISTEN TO DEBATE, TO TURN OVER THE AS MANY STONES AS YOU CAN AND LOOK INTO IT, AS WELL AS OFFERING AND LISTENING TO THOSE DISSENTING OPINIONS.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE YES AS IT PERTAINS TO PETITIONS ON.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE GET STUCK SOMETIMES.
AND I MEAN ME PRIMARILY BECAUSE I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO WANT TO CONSIDER IDEAS THAT I MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF.
LIKE I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO INVITE IN DISCUSSION THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE, BUT KIND OF LEAVES US IN AN EDDY.
I NEVER WANT THE PUBLIC TO FEEL LIKE THEY WEREN'T HEARD.
BUT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET EDITED OUT AT TIMES BY BRINGING IN MORE INFORMATION OR BRINGING SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE ISN'T REALLY MAYBE GOING TO PUSH YOU TOWARDS A CONCLUSION. YEAH.
YEAH. SO I GUESS GREAT WAY TO WRAP THAT UP, BECAUSE USING YOUR DISCERNMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND WHERE YOU WANT TO SAY YES AND WHERE YOU WANT TO ADD MORE, LET'S LOOK AT THIS THIRD POINT HERE.
HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS STICK TO WHAT THE GROUP DECIDES AFTER THE GROUP HAS REACHED A CONCLUSION.
GOT A CUTE CARTOON HERE? GOT PEOPLE LEAVING THE MEETING.
NOW LET'S TEAR APART EVERYTHING WE TACITLY SUPPORTED JUST FIVE MINUTES AGO.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THOSE GUYS, DO YOU? SO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO THAT HELPS YOU STICK WITH IT AND COMMIT TO THE DECISIONS? I'M ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU MIGHT BE TARGETED AFTER SOMETHING BY A CONSTITUENT THAT WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING BACK UP.
AND HOW DO YOU SAY WE DID THE DEBATE? WE DID OUR HEALTHY DEBATE.
WE BROUGHT FORTH THE INFORMATION.
WE TURNED OVER ALL THE STONES, AND WE'RE STICKING WITH OUR DECISION.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU, IS HOW? UM, DO YOU HOLD EACH OTHER IN THE COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE AND STICK WITH IT? SO I WOULD INVITE YOU FIRST.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A SHORT ONE TO JUST DO A SMALL SMALL GROUP DISCUSSION TO GET YOUR JUICES FLOWING.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME THINGS UP ONTO THE POWERPOINT SLIDE.
AND SO FOR OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, TYPE SOME THINGS IN.
AND MAYBE YOU GUYS WANT TO SWITCH UP YOUR GROUPS OR STICK WITH THE SAME GROUP WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YEAH. OH GOOD ONE JUST TO SWITCH.
SO I'M GOING TO POWERS OF THIS.
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YOU CAN HANDLE SOME THINGS LIKE THIS.MAYBE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING FOR.
WE HAVE TO THINK THERE'S A HIGHER HURDLE.
THERE WAS BLATANTLY A WRONG DECISION TO COME BACK TO IT, BUT.
OKAY, YOU GOT THE GEARS TURNING.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STICK WITH IT? OKAY, NOW THAT MEANS MORE TIME.
OKAY, WELL, I DO WANT TO INVITE THIS INTO A LARGER GROUP CONVERSATION, SO MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER 30S.
GET KEEP KEEP THE JUICES FLOWING AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THIS CONVERSATION.
AS FAR AS WHAT COULD BE OUTCOMES.
LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S THINGS.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S CHECK IN WITH THESE GUYS.
READY TO BRING IT TO THE TRIGGER? SURE. EXCELLENT. OKAY.
I'M GOING TO BE OVER HERE IN THE CORNER, BUT STILL WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? I CAN COULD SAY I WAS JUST TELLING THEM THE STORY AND I WON'T GO INTO IT NOW, BUT WE SAY NO BECAUSE NO IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
AND SO WHEN SAY THAT, IT'S LIKE WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SAID, THAT'S THE ANSWER.
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE VOTE IS, THAT'S THE VOTE.
AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO BACK.
WE DON'T WHATEVER MAKE CRAZY STUFF.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DON'T KNOW.
JUST IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE A TEAM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AND YOU STAND TOGETHER.
EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T VOTE THAT WAY.
BUT NOW THAT THE VOTE IS OVER, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
THAT. THAT'S KIND OF NUTSHELL.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHARING WITH MY GROUP.
THE OTHER THING I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SAY WAS, ONCE THE DECISION IS MADE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DID HOLD STEADFAST TO IT AND THAT THERE'S VERY GOOD REASON TO REVISIT IT.
BUT YEAH, DECISIONS SHOULD HAVE SOME SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE.
WELL, YEAH, SOMETIMES THE DECISION WAS SO BAD WE DO NEED TO TO REVISIT IT.
BUT THAT'S A VERY SMALL ENOUGH.
I'LL GIVE ONE QUICK EXAMPLE A PREVIOUS COUNCIL.
THAT WE WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE HARKINS THEATER AND MOVE HARKINS THEATER OUT TO THE MALL.
AND THEN THE THIRD PARTY WAS THAT MR. CRUTCHFIELD WOULD GET TO BUILD A STUDENT HOUSING COMPLEX.
AND PEOPLE GOT REALLY MAD AT ME BECAUSE I VOTED FOR THEM.
IT WAS INITIATED AND IMPLEMENTED AND WAS ONLY ONE LITTLE PIECE THAT HADN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
SO MY MAJOR POINT IS, UNLESS THERE'S SOME DAMN GOOD REASON NOT TO, YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS, OKAY? AND RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL.
YOU'RE ON MY HEARING RIGHT THERE.
THE PRESENT COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
OH YEAH. YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA PARDON DECISION.
YOU GUYS WENT LIKE ALL THE WAY IN THE COUNTY IN THE FIFTH GRADE SPELLING BEE.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT.
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JUST THE TOP ONE. IGNORE IT, MR. MCCARTHY. JUST WHAT MY TEACHER TOLD ME WHEN I WAS UPSET ABOUT THE SPELLING CHECKS ON COMPUTERS.WELL, I'M A STICKLER FOR EDITING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'LL ADMIT I'M A TERRIBLE SPELLER.
ALL RIGHT, WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? SO THAT SENSE OF RESPECT, OF DECISIONS OF COUNSEL IN TERMS OF TOOLS.
HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HELP EACH OTHER STAY ACCOUNTABLE? I THINK THE CLEAREST THING WE CAN DO, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT.
MAYOR EVANS REALLY ADVOCATED FOR VERY CLEARLY IN THIS VERY ROOM.
WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT WE'RE STEWARDS OF STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.
AND WITH EVERY DECISION WE MAKE AND WITH EVERY DECISION, WITH EVERY DECISION WE'VE MADE THAT WE CHOOSE TO REVISIT, WE ARE COSTING STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYBE IT'S IT'S WORTHWHILE TO DECIDE TO.
BUT. UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BEAR IN MIND.
DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF THE DAIS LIGHTS DOWN THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.
IT'S A REFLECTION OF THE TIME AND ORGANIZATION.
AND WE NEED WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT AND THAT.
MAYBE YOU CAN. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO TYPE, I CAN SUMMARIZE THIS COURTESY OF COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
IS THAT WHEN WHEN PUBLIC? INQUIRES AS TO A DECISION.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPEAK OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COUNCIL.
REINFORCE THE RESPECT FOR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVEN IF THERE'S A DIVERGENCE OF.
IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE WE ALL ARE ASKED, YOU KNOW, AFTER SOME VOTES, WHY DID IT GO THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. AND.
THAT'S. GOOD TO TELL PEOPLE THEY SHOULD SPEAK TO DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO? DISAGREE. OKAY, GREAT.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU SAY TO THE CONSTITUENTS.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO SAY I INVITE YOU TO SPEAK WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DISAGREED.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY SAY TO THE CONSTITUENTS IF THEY.
I'M COMING AT YOU AND TRYING TO GET YOU TO REVERSE A DECISION OR.
WAS A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE TOOK WE TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T TAKE DECISIONS LIGHTLY.
SO ONE THING I THINK THAT I'M MOST PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL FOR IS COMING PREPARED, RIGHT.
EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL DOES THEIR HOMEWORK AND REALLY LOOKS AT AN ISSUE.
AND SO WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A VOTE, I FEEL.
CONFIDENT THAT THEY'VE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK TO BACK UP THAT VOTE.
YOU'RE PREPARED. THE COUNCIL IS PREPARED.
YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WHEN YOU COME TO VOTE.
YOU'VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU CAN STAND.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, YOU CAN STAND WITH THE VOTE YOU MADE AS A COUNCIL.
THINK WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS MAKE IT PERSONAL, OKAY? TELL ME MORE. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S.
IT'S NO GOOD THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF POINTING OUT INDIVIDUALS.
SO SO SO SO SO VOTED THAT WAY.
UH. YOU CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH FUNCTIONING GOVERNANCE.
AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID IS.
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UM, GETTING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND QUESTIONING THE MOTIVATIONS AFTER THE FACT.THE TIME TO DO THAT IS DURING THE DEBATE.
GOTCHA. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE DON'T WANT TO TARGET THE INDIVIDUAL.
YOU WANT TO SAY, WE DEBATED IT.
WE CAME PREPARED, WE RESEARCHED, WE LISTENED.
THE VOTE IN THIS DIRECTION, AND THOSE ATTACKS CAN HAPPEN.
AND THEY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICE.
ATTACK THE ISSUE, NOT THE PERSON.
AND SO DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU WANT TO STICK WITH IT? OR HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU WANT TO STICK WITH IT? WELL, PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME SO DON'T LIKE HOW SO-AND-SO VOTED.
ADVOCATED THAT, I'LL JUST SAY, WELL, WAIT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTACKING ME BECAUSE I'VE SAID SOMETHING.
THAT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
ANSWER THE QUESTION. YOU AGREE WITH THE FACTS THAT PUT OUT THERE, OR DO YOU THINK MY FACTS ARE WRONG? YES. ATTACK! ATTACK THE ISSUE.
AND DON'T ATTACK HARRIS AS A PERSON.
UM. DO YOU ALL? DOES ANYONE DISAGREE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION? UM, YOU SHOULDN'T GO FORWARD WITH IT.
SO DO YOU ALL AGREE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION, STICK WITH IT? UNLESS AT SOME FUTURE TIME, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGERS HAD NEW INFORMATION ARISES THAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT NEEDS TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUS DECISION.
OKAY, SO BEING WILLING TO ENTERTAIN LIKE INSTANCES OF NEW INFORMATION AND BEING ABLE TO REVISIT A DECISION SEE PRETTY QUICKLY, NO COUNCIL IS BEHOLDEN TO PREVIOUS COUNCILS. SURE.
YEAH. UH, SO THAT'S PART OF RESPECTING THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND THE TURNOVER OF IDEAS AND NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES TO LIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S ALSO OTHER CONTEXTS, TOO.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WITH THE PETITION PROCESS OR THE REFERENDUM PROCESS, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR VIEWPOINTS AGAIN.
AND HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO STAY OUT OF IT? YES. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, VICE MAYOR, IS THAT THIS CAN GET PRETTY STICKY.
BUT IT SHOULD NEVER BECOME PERSONAL WITHOUT.
BUT SHOULD NEVER BECOME PERSONAL.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DIG INTO EACH OF THEM AND.
YOU'VE MADE SOME KIND OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.
AS WE GET READY TO WRAP UP AND MOVE INTO THE NEXT SEGMENT.
YOU GUYS MUST ALREADY BE GOOD AT SOMETHING UP HERE, RIGHT? YOU'RE. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A TON OF SUCCESS AS WE STARTED WITH THAT.
WE KNOW YOU'RE GETTING THINGS DONE.
OH, WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS OF THESE THREE BULLET POINTS.
WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD IMPROVE ON? AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ALREADY REALLY GOOD AT.
LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE GOOD AT IT.
BEING OPEN MINDED AND BEING A GOOD LISTENER.
OF THESE THREE THINGS. SO THAT'S KIND OF BE THAT FIRST ONE.
LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY THE FIRST ONE OKAY.
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COMING. UM.AND, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR PUBLIC WHO ENGAGES THE PROCESS.
TURNING IN A PETITION IS A SACRED ACT.
IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DEEPLY RESPECT AND BUT PRIORITIZING AND REMEMBERING WHAT THAT DECISION MEANS IN TERMS OF STAFF RESOURCES.
OKAY, SO I'M HEARING ABOUT 2 OR 3.
IS IT CHALLENGING TO YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A TOUGH PART OF YOUR JOB.
YOU CAN ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND BETTER THAT THE NUMBER THREE LIKE SENSE OF UM.
AND SHE SAID THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THAT DISCERNMENT, PRAYING THE SACRED ACT OF SUBMITTING PUBLIC PETITION AGAINST THE RESOURCES THAT THEY SEE. THAT PROCESS WEIGHING THE SACRED ACT OF SUBMITTING A PETITION TO THE RESOURCES IT WILL TAKE TO GET INTO IT.
THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS THINK THIS COUNCIL COULD IMPROVE ON OF THESE THREE? POINTS OR LIKE SAID SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO WORK ON SUPPORTING RESPECTING DECISIONS OF COUNCIL, PAST AND PRESENT.
THAT INCLUDES EXPRESSING AND OPPOSING DECISION MADE BY THE MAJORITY.
BUT BUT RESPECT THE PROCESS AND THE MAJORITY VOTE.
AND GUESS WHAT? I MIGHT GO BACK TO THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT.
AND OH, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE WHO SAID NOT ENGAGING? PEOPLE IN SPECULATION ABOUT YOUR COLLEAGUES.
WELL. AND SO I THINK WE DO IT.
AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE DO IT PRETTY WELL, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
WAS THAT KIND OF STICKING WITH THE DECISION AFTER IT'S BEEN MADE? YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH. HELP ME OUT HERE, SOMEONE.
PLEASE JOIN COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE ONE THAT I AT LEAST I PERSONALLY THINK I COULD WORK ON MORE.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL OF COUNCIL, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, WHAT I SAY TO FOLKS.
IF I'M TALKING TO LIKE THE PUBLIC ABOUT A COUNCIL DECISION, BUT IS NUMBER IS THE SECOND ONE, UM, BEING PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS A YES, I THINK I'M RIGHT THERE WITH THE MAYOR ON HOW CHALLENGING IT IS TO PRIORITIZE, LIKE CITIZENS PETITIONS AND EVEN SOMETIMES THE FARES THAT COME FROM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.
BECAUSE I, I WANT TO ALWAYS BE ABLE TO SAY I'M WILLING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
UM, AND IT GETS HARD TO PRIORITIZE IT OR TO SAY NO TO A PETITION IN PARTICULAR WHEN IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TELLING THE THE COMMUNITY IT'S NOT WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT.
SO I THINK WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE A PETITION FORWARD.
UM, JUST SAYING IT'S NOT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT WE'VE EITHER ALREADY MADE A DECISION OR THERE'S NOT ANYTHING NEW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S JUST THE HARDEST THING, I THINK, THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
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YES, IT'S A HARD THING.YEAH, WELL, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT'S NOT OVER YET, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE PRIMED TO BE THINKING ABOUT USING YOUR DISCERNMENT, WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE LOOKS LIKE, HOW TO USE YOUR LISTENING SKILLS, AND ALSO WHEN TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION? OR IS IT WORTH THE RESOURCES TO DIG INTO THIS? WE'RE ABOUT TO WRAP UP HERE, BUT I WANT TO CLOSE OUT WITH THIS LAST BIT.
HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THAT ONE? YES. THIS ONE IS THE ADVANTAGE AND THIS RESEARCH COMES FROM THAT.
SO THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE JUST GONE OVER.
THESE ARE KEYS TO BUILDING A COHESIVE TEAM.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A SAFE PLACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING UP YOUR OPINIONS.
YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR STRENGTHS AND SHARE YOUR CHALLENGES.
ALSO OPENLY ENGAGING IN CONSTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT.
HOLDING ONE ANOTHER ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEHAVIORS AND ACTIONS.
THAT GOES IN WITH THIS OTHER POINT COMMITTING TO GROUP DECISIONS.
AND THIS WAS A BEAUTIFUL SEGWAY.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
SO I WOULD ASK, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS UP, THAT YOU KEEP THE THOUGHTS THAT YOU'VE JUST EXPRESSED IN THE COMMENTS MADE, KEEP THEM FRESH IN YOUR MINDS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM THAT BIGGER DISCUSSION, THAT KIND OF DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE PRAYER AND PETITION PROCESS.
SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE SEGWAY.
ISN'T THIS GREAT? JUST TO. YOU'RE BACK UP.
BUT FIVE MINUTES. WE'LL RECONVENE AT TWO.
AND WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN BRINGING IT INWARD A LITTLE BIT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THAT THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.
IT'S A GREAT PREVIEW TO THIS, WHICH IS CITIZEN PETITION.
AND IT'S A BIT OF SOME HOUSEKEEPING HERE.
UH, GET YOU THINKING ABOUT THINGS, AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO SUGGEST ANYTHING IS IN NEED OF FIXING OR OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE BROKEN, BUT RATHER TAKING THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION AND PUTTING IT AGAIN INTO PRACTICE, ALL INTENDED TO ENLIGHTEN AND PROVOKE A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT. SO WHAT'S THE FIRST SLIDE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? STACEY. UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MECHANICS HERE? SURE. SO CITIZENS PETITIONS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF SET FORTH IN OUR CHARTER.
IT'S A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS CITIZENS TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE COUNCIL HAS 30 DAYS TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT PETITION.
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AND WHAT WE CONSIDER AS ACTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADVANCE THAT PETITION OR NOT ADVANCE THE PETITION TO A FUTURE, LARGER DISCUSSION, IF YOU WILL. SO THERE'S 30 DAYS FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION, AND WE HAVE TREATED THEM SIMILARLY TO FARE ITEMS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY COME TO YOU AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST.THAT'S THE PROCESS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT ONCE THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE ACTION AND TO MOVE IT TO A AGENDA, A FUTURE AGENDA, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIED DATE.
IT ESSENTIALLY GOES INTO OUR LIST OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS.
AND WHEN STAFF IS PREPARED WITH INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL, THAT'S WHEN IT WILL BE SCHEDULED.
IF YOU KNOW A COMMUNITY MEMBER, BRING A PETITION, DO YOU? THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
AND NOW THE STAFF HAS TO PREPARE.
HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE WHETHER WHEN STAFF DOES THAT? BECAUSE IT COULD BE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
SIX MONTHS? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
PROBABLY MEASURED MORE IN MONTHS.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP A CHART JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN QUEUE.
AND THAT'S GOING TO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
AND THEN LET'S COUNCIL GIVES US DIRECTION TO PRIORITIZE THINGS, WHICH IS GENERALLY NOT THE CASE.
THAT QUEUE IS GOING TO BE SEVERAL MONTHS.
OKAY. I WILL SAY TOO THAT SOME OF THAT IS ALSO DEPENDENT UPON WHAT THAT REQUEST LOOKS LIKE.
YES. OKAY, I'LL SPEAK TO THIS JUST A BIT, AND THEN YOU JUMP IN.
WE'RE DOING A LITTLE TAG TEAM HERE.
STACEY PUT TOGETHER THIS GRAPHIC.
WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK BACK SIX YEARS HERE, SHOWING YOU HOW THE PETITION PROCESS HAS INCREASED OVER TIME. BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT COLUMN, WHICH IS THIS YEAR, WE'RE STILL IN OCTOBER, SO THAT WILL LIKELY INCREASE.
UM, WHAT YOU CAN GLEAN FROM THIS IS CERTAINLY AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY, AS PETITIONS ARE NOW COMING IN WITH A LITTLE MORE FREQUENCY. UH, AND.
WE WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
THEY ARE INCREASING IN IN VOLUME AND THEY'RE ALSO ARGUABLY INCREASING IN INTENSITY.
WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT HAVE COME YOUR WAY BY VIA THE PETITION PROCESS HAVE BEEN VERY WEIGHTY.
YOU WERE ASKED EARLIER THIS YEAR TO TAKE A POSITION ON ABORTION.
HARD TO THINK OF A MORE WEIGHTY TOPIC, AT LEAST IN CURRENT TIMES, AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND.
BUT, UM, NOT ANYTHING LIKE YOU WERE ASKED BY PETITION TO.
TO SEVER YOUR OUR BANKING TIES WITH WELLS FARGO.
HUGE TASK AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
UM, YOU'VE HAD THREE PETITIONS ON.
THE INTENSITY, BY AND LARGE, AS A GENERAL STATEMENT, HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE EVIDENT.
ALONG WITH THAT IS KIND OF A NECESSARY OUTCOME IS THE INCREASE IN STAFF AND COUNCIL.
UH. PREPARING FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS, HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN DEALING WITH THE OUTCOMES OF THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ALL LABOR INTENSIVE, IF YOU WILL.
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IT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT WHAT IS COMING YOUR WAY VIA PETITION.MEAN THAT LIES NEATLY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE.
ABORTIONS, A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY EVIDENT.
YOU HEARD VERY EARLY ON IN THE DAY, YOU HAD A BIG DOSE OF WATER RATES AND WASTEWATER RATES, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO.
WE WE OVERSEE A WATER UTILITY.
AND TONS OF PROJECTS THAT GO WITH THAT, ALL TOWARD THE OBJECTIVE OF PROVIDING A GOOD WATER RESOURCE.
ONCE THAT WATER IS USED THROUGH WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER.
THESE ARE CORE SERVICES THAT THE COMMUNITY PROVIDES, THAT THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDES.
THAT IS JUST ONE OF MANY, MANY EXAMPLES OF WHAT LIES WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE.
UM. THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHERE PETITIONS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT ENCROACHING INTO ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. THE PUSH TO SEVER OUR BANKING TIES WITH WELLS FARGO, IN MY OPINION, IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM. YOU KNOW, THAT IS LARGELY WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SPHERE THAT WE OPERATE.
COUNSEL, OF COURSE, IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
COUNSEL IS ALWAYS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
YOU'RE A PART OF IT IN TERMS OF APPROVING THE CONTRACTS THAT FORMALIZE THESE ARRANGEMENTS.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PETITION ASKED US TO SEVER TIES, YOU KNOW, IN MIDSTREAM, IN A CONTRACT THAT GOES FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE RENEWALS, IF I RECALL.
UM, AND THEN, AS WE HEARD, I THINK VERY JUSTIFIABLY, FROM OUR FINANCE TEAM.
YOU DON'T SEVER, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT THAT IS SO INVOLVED.
PAINTING NEEDS AND AND ALL THE MANY ACCOUNTS AND ALL THE ADMINISTRATION THAT GOES WITH IT.
AND THINK OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO UNDO THAT, PUT IT INTO PROCUREMENT, AND AWARD IT TO ANOTHER BANK THAT IS EASILY MULTIPLE A YEAR ENDEAVOR.
LONG WINDED WAY OF EXPLAINING THAT SOMETIMES THESE PUSHES TO DO THINGS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE FOR US.
FORTUNATELY, COUNCIL AGREED AND IT DID NOT ADVANCE.
I MEAN, IT ADVANCED, BUT THERE WAS NOT A YES VOTE TO DO IT.
THE. THE TOTALITY OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE PETITIONS ARE COMING IN WITH MORE FREQUENCY.
THEY'RE TOUCHING ON MORE TOPICS.
SOME OF THE TOPICS ARE GETTING VERY, VERY WEIGHTY, AND SOME OF THE TOPICS ARE CLEARLY GOING BEYOND THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE AND AT TIMES GOING INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ARENA.
THERE WE GO. SO I'LL LET YOU START WITH THIS.
SURE. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY COVERED.
A GOOD PORTION OF THIS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
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ACTUALLY, JUST THE RIGHT SIDE KIND OF SHOWS YOU VISUALLY WHAT THE LAST SIX YEARS OF CITIZEN PETITIONS HAVE LOOKED LIKE.JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE TOPICS WE'VE TOUCHED, LIKE I SAID ON THESE, A NUMBER OF THESE ALREADY, BUT JUST TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT KIND OF SPECTRUM OF THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE US HERE.
UH, NO. IT'S GOOD YOU'RE NOT EXPECTED TO READ ALL THE PRINT HERE.
YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF PETITIONS HAPPENING.
I THINK I MIGHT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TO MENTION.
THAT WE AGREE WITH THE EARLIER COMMENTS BY THAT YOU MADE VICE MAYOR, THAT THE PETITION PROCESS IS A SACRED PROCESS MIGHT NOT BE MY EXACT DESCRIPTOR, BUT I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU MEAN AND AGREE WITH IT.
IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT AND AND IT IS EMBODIED IN OUR CHARTER.
AND OUR CHARTER IS OUR CONSTITUTION FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND IT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO COME FORWARD AND BRING THEIR MATTERS TO YOU AS THEIR ELECTED BODY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO WE WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE FRANKLY ALL RESPECT IT, JUST LIKE WE RESPECT THE PROCESS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A BIT.
WE ARE AGAIN, JUST BRINGING SOME THINGS HERE, MOSTLY IN THE INTEREST OF ENLIGHTENING AS TO WHAT THE STATUS IS THESE DAYS WITH THE PETITION PROCESS AND THEN THE NUMBERS AND THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
KIND OF BEAR THAT OUT WITH IT.
SO SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO OR YOU'RE A FAST DRIVER.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND SPEED RADAR.
IT'S LIKE MOVING ON ITS OWN THAT.
THANK YOU. THIS AGAIN TIES TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION A BIT.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT WORDS WE'RE USING HERE.
DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES, BUT IT'S THE SAME.
IT GOES TO THE SAME DISCUSSION.
UH, WE SUGGEST AS CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, WHEN COUNCIL'S PRESENTED WITH A PETITION, SOME THINGS SHOULD ALWAYS COME TO MIND.
SOME QUESTIONS. IS IT A MUNICIPAL ACTION? IS IT WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE? UH, THERE'S A CONCERN POLICY OR THERE'S A CONCERN ADMINISTRATION.
HAS IT BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED? THIS GOES TO THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD TO.
IF IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED.
ARE YOU COUNSEL SIMPLY BEING BARRAGED WITH THE SAME PETITION, EITHER TO GET YOU TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT OR TO TRY TO INFLUENCE YOU, TO MAYBE CHANGE YOUR MIND? YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT. WHEN YOU START SEEING A PETITION OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW.
AND CIRCUMSTANCES HAVEN'T CHANGED.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED? BEFORE I TOUCH ON THE NEXT ONE ABOUT REQUISITE NUMBER OF VOTES, I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING AND IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO VICE MAYOR AGAIN, SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT I THAT I WROTE DOWN, AND I THINK IT STEMS FROM SOMETHING YOU HEARD FROM FORMER MAYOR EVANS, WHICH IS WE ARE COUNCIL ACTS AS STEWARDS OF STAFF AND RESOURCES, STAFF, TIME AND RESOURCES.
TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
AND I WOULD ADD TO IT, STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES ARE PAID THROUGH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
UH. YOU ARE STEWARDS OF THE EXPENDITURE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS ASKED OF COUNT OF STAFF.
AND RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED TO THAT.
EVEN THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT APPEAR SIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THINGS THAT MIGHT ON THE SURFACE BE A LITTLE BIT LOOK TO BE A LITTLE BIT EASY.
IF THERE'S STAFF TIME INVOLVED.
THERE'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS INVOLVED.
IT'S A NECESSITY. IT'S A NECESSARY OUTCOME.
I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED, BUT I'LL RESTATE SOMETHING THAT WAS A PRINCIPLE THAT WAS STATED THERE. THAT IS NOT BREACHING ANY CONFIDENCES HERE.
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HAVEN'T REACHED RESOLUTION.BUT IN THE INTEREST OF NOT EXPENDING MORE STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES, OR STATED DIFFERENTLY, IN THE INTEREST OF NOT SPENDING MORE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADVANCE THIS.
I SUGGEST THAT IT IS ALWAYS A LENS THROUGH WHICH WE SHOULD VIEW THINGS.
IT ISN'T. STOP NOT WANTING TO WORK.
HE LOVES SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
HE LOVED SERVING AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL IS ELECTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE PROFESSION WE HAVE ALL CHOSEN.
BUT. THE THINGS WE DO ARE ALL AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR TAXPAYERS, AND THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS ASKED AND SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT BE PUSHED ASIDE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS WITH WHAT WE DO.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? YOU HAVE ALL OF MY POINTS.
LOVE IT. I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THE POWERPOINT I'M GOING TO LET YOU BROACH THE LAST BULLET ITEM.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT ME TO JUMP IN, I CAN.
SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
OKAY, GREAT. UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE COVER THE LAST BULLET AND THEN WILL HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT BULLET? OKAY, FANTASTIC.
ALL RIGHT, SO AGAIN, UNDER CONSIDERATIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD THROW OUT THERE FOR CONVERSATION CONSIDERATION IS SHOULD THE REQUISITE NUMBER TO ADVANCE A CITIZEN PETITION TO A LARGER DISCUSSION BE INCREASED FROM THREE TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY AND SUGGESTED THAT THIS FIND ITS WAY TO THE SPRING? AGAIN. WE'RE NOT.
SAYING THAT ANYTHING IS BROKEN.
I DO THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME ARTICULATE THIS BEFORE.
I THINK THE THE PETITION, THE FAIR PROCESS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, GETS A LITTLE CLUNKY SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THIS THREE VOTE, FOUR VOTE METHODOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST PETITION PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE.
OF BOTH PROCESSES, A QUESTION SHOULD BE HAD, WHICH IS IS IT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TO ONLY REQUIRE THREE VOTES TO SEE SOMETHING ADVANCED TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA? UM, TREATED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
WHY IS IT NOT A SIMPLE MAJORITY? YOU KNOW THAT THAT ADVANCES SOMETHING UNDER THE PREMISE THAT.
WELL, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY TO.
AND IF YOU'RE LACKING MAJORITY TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE POINT IN ADVANCING IT? SO WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE IF THREE WERE TO ADVANCE IT, BUT IT TAKES FOUR ULTIMATELY TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE TO SEE IF THAT MAJORITY EXISTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, RATHER THAN AT THE END OF THE PROCESS? WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION.
COUNCILMAN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THE FAIR PROCESS, NOT ON THE PETITION PROCESS, BUT THE IDEA OF THREE VOTES, THREE VOTES IS NOT IN THE CHARTER.
THREE VOTES IS COUNCIL PROCEDURE, RIGHT? OKAY. IS PREDICATED UPON, YOU KNOW, A A DIVIDED COUNCIL AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE. WHO MIGHT COMPRISE A MINORITY VIEWPOINT TO NEVERTHELESS ADVANCE A CERTAIN TOPIC TO THE AGENDA.
THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS, IS THAT STILL NEEDED? IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A SIMPLE MAJORITY? COUNCIL MEMBER YOU GOT A QUESTION ON THIS? DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVEN'T.
OKAY. PLEASE. UM, WE JUST SPENT AN HOUR OR SO TALKING ABOUT OPEN MINDEDNESS AND COMMUNICATION AND THE THINGS THAT MAKE A GOOD COUNSEL.
NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WENT ON BEFORE YOU WERE A CITY MANAGER? YEAH, WE USED TO HAVE A MAYOR.
THEY HAD A VERY EFFECTIVE STONEWALLING.
OF. THEN IN CONVERSATION, PREVENTING OPEN MINDEDNESS.
AND WHAT IT WAS IS IT REQUIRED FOUR VOTES TO MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD.
AND DURING THIS PERIOD THERE WAS PEOPLE LIKE PAUL EVANS AND CELIA BARRETTS AND WHOEVER THAT WANTED TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME THINGS.
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BUT THE JERRY NEIGHBORS COALITION STONEWALLED EVERYTHING.SO I HAVE BEEN AROUND IN OBSERVING THIS COUNCIL, BOTH ON IT AND BEFORE I WAS ON IT.
AND SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE THREE VOTE SYSTEM WORKS.
AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION WHICH ALLOWS ONE BLOCK IN THE COUNCIL AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SNOW, BUT WE DIDN'T ASK AND WE VERY WELL COULD IN THE FUTURE.
SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY WE SHOULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
MY OBSERVATION OVER THE LAST DECADE OR MORE IS THAT THIS WORKS A LOT BETTER, AND I'M NOT DISCOUNTING ANYTHING YOU SAID, GREG, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS POLICY, IS THIS ADMINISTRATIVE, IS THIS A WASTE OF COUNCIL OR OF STAFF'S TIME? AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME PRETTY WELL.
I'M PRETTY RESPECTFUL OF STAFF'S TIME.
AND I NEVER ASKED THE STAFF TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH YOU.
BUT I, FOR ONE, FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE LAST DECADE HAS SHOWN THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS WAY BETTER THAN THE SYSTEM THAT LENDS ITSELF TO STONEWALL.
AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE AWARE OF THE ORIGIN OF THE POLICY.
YEAH. THE POINT IS THAT YOU YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T HERE THEN, SO YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE IT.
BUT I AM CERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM BACK THEN PROBABLY DID EXPERIENCE IT.
I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK.
THERE'S SOME LOGIC TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHY DO WE MOVE IT FORWARD IF THERE'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE? WELL, I THINK PART OF IT IS, I'LL SAY THIS.
SO I THINK THERE'S TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO, I DON'T THINK I'D SUPPORT THAT.
BUT THEN IF THEY'RE OPEN MINDED AND THEY LISTEN TO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, THEY MIGHT SUPPORT IT.
BUT IF WE CUT THINGS OFF BY THAT ONE EXTRA VOTE, THEN WE NEVER HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, WHICH THIS MORNING WE ESTABLISHED AS BEING VERY IMPORTANT INDEED.
AND BEFORE WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, AND IT'S A COMMON DISCUSSION TO THE FARE PROCESSING AS WELL.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN.
WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT IS.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THIS IDEA OF GOING FROM THREE BOATS TO FOUR BOATS AND THEN OSTENSIBLY SOMETHING BEYOND THAT FOUR BOAT THING GETS IT'S VERY AWKWARD.
CAN WE JUST DISPENSE WITH THAT TWO TIERED PROCESS AND GO WITH ONE TIER PROCESS AND ASSUME IT'S THREE VOTES? JUST SAY. IF THERE'S THREE VOTES TO ADVANCE SOMETHING, IT GETS ADVANCED AND THE NEXT TIME COUNCIL WILL SEE IT, IT WILL BE A FULL ON AGENDA ITEM OR A WORK SESSION TOPIC THAT HAS ALL THE NECESSARY STAFF RESEARCH AND INFORMATION GOING INTO IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN INFORMED DISCUSSION.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS KIND OF CLUNKY OR AWKWARD DISCUSSION OF, WELL, WAS THIS A THREE VOTE THING OR WAS IT A FOUR VOTE THING? IT GOES RIGHT FROM THREE VOTES TO SWAGIT AGENDA ITEM.
SURE. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAS A COMMENT.
WELL, THE BEAUTY OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS YOU ONLY LIMIT.
FOR THE FIRST WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL TO STAFF TIME.
I THINK IT'S EIGHT HOURS STAFF TIME.
CAN I ASK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? I THINK THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THAT IS.
WHILE IN THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE NOW KIND OF THIS DEDICATING OF EIGHT HOURS IN THAT FIRST STEP, I THINK STAFF IS ALSO STRUGGLING A BIT WITH IN ORDER TO BRING FORWARD A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION, TO GET TO THAT NEXT STEP.
IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS JUST TO HAVE A QUALITY PRESENTATION THAT COMES TO COUNCIL THAT HAS ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT CAN ANTICIPATE THOSE QUESTIONS AND THINGS THAT MIGHT COME FROM FROM YOU AS COUNCIL.
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THAT DOESN'T.THAT DOESN'T WASTE YOUR TIME, RIGHT? BECAUSE STAFF HASN'T PUT INTO IT WHAT IS NECESSARY.
SO THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS ELIMINATION OF THAT KIND OF SECOND STEP, IF YOU WILL, COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IN ONE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION IS A QUALITY.
WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK.
UM, I'M OPEN MINDED ABOUT THAT.
SECOND STAFF, THAT SECOND STEP.
THINK I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO STAFF.
FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE THREE VOTE TO GET IT TO DISCUSSION.
SPENCER MATTHEWS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, I DEFINITELY AM VERY STRONGLY SUPPORTING THAT.
IT NEEDS TO BE A MUNICIPAL ACTION.
AND I DID THE HAND COUNT ON THAT.
AND THAT WAS A THREE FOURTHS OF THE EMAILS AND OUTCRY THAT WE HAD WAS AGAINST IT.
YET WE STILL MOVE FORWARD ON IT, WITH THE ONLY OUTCOME BEING MORE DIVISION IN OUR CITY.
AND YOU'VE GOT I WONDER, WHY WOULD WE TAKE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS IS SO POLITICIZED? WE HAVE OUR PERSONAL, UM, FEELINGS ON THAT.
BUT IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO CITY GOVERNANCE.
UM, I DON'T THINK HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH A PETITION.
AND STAFF TIME DOES EQUAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
AND I FEEL THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PUBLIC FUNDS.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OPEN CHECKBOOK, WE DON'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED CREDIT CARD.
AND SO EVERY ACTION THAT WE TAKE, WHETHER NECESSARY OR NOT, THERE'S A PRICE, A PRICE TAG TO THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
UM, DOES IT CONCERN POLICY? UM. I'M NOT SURE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY FOR AND AGAINST ARGUMENTS FOR THAT.
HAS IT BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED? I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES.
AND SO EVEN IF AN ISSUE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED, IT MIGHT BE NOW NEW, MORE RELEVANT.
BUT WE COULD CONSIDER AT LEAST HAVING THAT PRESENTED TO COUNSEL WHEN A PETITION COMES BEFORE US TO ALERT US THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE OUTCOME.
AND THEN TO JIM'S POINT, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT AT THREE VOTES BECAUSE AGAIN, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WE'RE JUST GIVING A HEAD NOD TO THERE'S ENOUGH VALIDITY IN IT THAT WE WANT TO HEAR THE PROS AND CONS AND TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO, UM, I, I SWAY TO JIM'S SIDE ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THOSE BULLET POINTS BECAUSE I BEFORE MY FIRST DAY SWORN IN, WHEN I WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF TOWNS AND CITIES, AND THEY HAD A PANEL DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS AND I PUT IT IN THE CHAT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MESA MAYOR SAID THAT THIS CAN TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF TIME AND COUNCIL TIME AND TIME AT THE DAIS, AND SO THEY PUT IN SIMILAR ACTIONS TO AT LEAST NARROW THE SCOPE OF, UM, CITIZEN PETITIONS THAT CAME BEFORE THEM, BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
AND AGAIN, 25 SIGNATURES TO BRING SOMETHING THAT OUR TIME COST CAN BE, YOU KNOW, HOURS UPON HOURS, UM, AND TAKING US AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS THAT ARE SET ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY FOR NOW.
INSIDE CURSE. I'M REALLY SENSITIVE TO STAFF TIME BECAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT.
SO I'M REALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, TO TO THAT AND HOW MUCH TIME PEOPLE SPEND DOING THIS JOB.
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I'M ALSO WANTING US TO BE REALLY, REALLY CAREFUL BECAUSE I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF THE THAT IS TEN, 12 YEARS AGO.AND THAT IS SOMETIMES USED TO QUIET VOICES THAT YOU DON'T WANT AT THE TABLE.
NOT REALLY. SO DON'T THE THE BIG VIEW AT THE TABLE.
AND SO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KIND OF THINK THIS THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WHAT HAPPENED TEN, 12 YEARS AGO, WE'RE NOT GETTING OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION WHERE IT COULD WHERE THAT COULD BE A FUTURE GOAL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COUNCIL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHO'S HERE.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
VERY GOOD COMMENTS. THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.
WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING SOME THINGS THAT CERTAINLY APPEARS TO HAVE.
YOU KNOW, PHOENIX SEEING CONSENSUS FORMING ON THAT.
SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
CAN WE GO ON TO THE FAIR PROCESS? I THINK WE CAN. YEAH.
ONE THING I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE COUNCIL THINKS REGARDING THE MUNICIPAL ACTION.
THERE HAVE BEEN IN THE DECADES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FROM TIME TO TIME, ISSUES THAT ARE OF MONUMENTAL IMPORTANCE BEYOND FLAGSTAFF.
AND AND SO DIFFERENT COUNCILS HAVE TAKEN UP.
DIFFERENT TOPICS, AND I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THIS BECAUSE I DO SEE HOW IT CAN TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME AND IT CAN BE DIVISIVE.
AND I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK.
CONCENTRATED DOES THIS HAVE? I'M SORRY. RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE JUST CONSIDERATIONS.
THERE'S NO TEETH TO THIS RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRIORS CHARTERED.
RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A PROCEDURE, RIGHT? IT'S A PROCEDURE.
IN THESE THINGS, WE COULD CHANGE.
THE RULES ARE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE THE RULES ON ARE CITIZEN PETITIONS ARE CONCERNED IS THE 30 DAYS IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO ACT UPON IT, AND THE 25 SIGNATURES ARE CORRECT.
SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND JUST WANT TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET SOME CLARITY THERE.
UM. IT'S IT'S LIKE NAILING JELLO TO THE WALL, THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHATEVER WE DEFINE AS WITHIN SCOPE OF A PETITION, I THINK PETITIONERS ARE SAVVY ENOUGH.
TO DEFINE THE PARTITION IN A WAY THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M NOT SPEAKING VERY CLEARLY.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT PROCEDURES BE DRAWN AND PARAMETERS BE ESTABLISHED HERE.
IT COMES TO THE DAIS AND AS YOU'RE RENDERING YOUR DECISIONS, THESE CAN BE CONSIDERATIONS TO BE HAD OR IT CAN BE FORMALIZED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS WHAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING, IS ASKING OF HER COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? UM, WE'RE NOT COMING HERE SUGGESTING THAT IT BE FORMALIZED, BUT WE ARE COMING SUGGESTING THAT IT BE A CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROCESS.
SO THERE MY RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE.
I THINK IT'S BEST TO LEAVE THIS TO THE GROUPTHINK.
I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO COME TO EACH PETITION.
WITH YOUR LENS. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
WE'RE HAVING THIS OPEN DISCUSSION, THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
I'M. HOW CAN WE BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND STAFF TIME? UM. IT WILL HELP US TOO.
IT WILL HELP INFORM US IN HOW WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
UH. BUT TO TO TO TRY TO CREATE.
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SEE PARAMETERS AROUND IT.I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO GO THAT ROUTE.
I THINK WE CAN DISCERN BETWEEN THE SEVEN OF US.
AND I AGREE, WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING MINORITY VOICE.
UH. WE CAN TRUST MY SIX COLLEAGUES UP HERE.
AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE EVERY TWO YEARS.
IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL.
THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD HAPPEN WITH EACH ORIENTATION OR THE TEACHER COUNCIL.
I HESITATE TO OVERTHINK THIS AND GET TOO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT.
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THAT, KEVIN.
AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
YEAH. I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THESE CONSIDERATIONS, HAVE NO COMMENT.
IF YOU DO GO DOWN THAT PATH OF TRYING TO BUILD IN SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION IN THE CODE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THE CHARTER RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD ASSUME WOULD BE IN THE CODE SECTION REGARDING ADDITIONS, BUT I'D BE HESITANT TO SIGN OFF ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
DEFINITELY TALK TO STERLING ABOUT THAT.
OH, YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE VICE MAYOR ADAMS GOING WAS YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKING ABOUT CONSIDERING.
YEAH. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
MAYOR DID GO OUT. I'M JUST SAYING, COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE.
I'M IN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF WHAT, UM, VICE MAYOR WAS JUST SAYING.
AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION COMING FORWARD FROM YOU, MAYOR, ON THAT TOPIC IN PARTICULAR.
UM, I, I WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE VIEWPOINT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS IN TERMS OF THE CHALLENGE OF ADDRESSING CITIZENS PETITIONS THAT COME FORWARD THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF POLICY ACTION OR MUNICIPAL.
UM, I DO THINK THAT I, I AM MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT VICE MAYOR SHARED ABOUT NOT BECOMING OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE IN THIS, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST NOTE THAT IF THAT WAS OUR CONCERN, UM, I DO THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO BRING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS FORWARD TO US.
UM, AND HAVING ANY SORT OF RESTRICTION ON THAT IN TERMS OF THE CITIZEN PETITION PROCESS DOES NOT PREVENT THE TOPIC FROM COMING BEFORE US AS AS COUNCIL, WHETHER IT WAS INTRODUCED AS A FARE ITEM BY ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER OR, UM, ANY NUMBER OF OTHER WAYS THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT COME UP.
SO. JUST THROWING THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT THAT WHEN VICE MAYOR WAS MAKING HIS OBSERVATIONS THAT CAME TO MY MIND, UM, IF WE.
AND WE DON'T LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHAT PETITION SUBJECT MATTER CAN BE.
THEN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE, HEARD SAY EARLIER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION TO. SEEM LIKE WE'RE NOT LISTENING OR HEARING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING IN MORE AND MORE PETITIONS, AND THEN WE ARE FORCED WITH MAYBE A HARDER DECISION TO NOT MOVE IT FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSEQUENCE OF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THAT IF WE DON'T PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS IN, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO EITHER NOT MOVE IT FORWARD AND MAKING OUR CITIZENS FEEL LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS, OR GIVING SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT HELP KIND OF NARROW THE SCOPE AND NARROW THE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE PETITION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT THERE FOR NOW.
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COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS AND VICE MAYOR.OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BRING STUFF TO US, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE BRAVE ENOUGH.
WE EITHER WE SAY, I'M WE'RE ONE OF THE THREE VOTES OR WE'RE NOT ONE OF THE THREE VOTES.
AND AND WE CAN'T CAN'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO WORRY ABOUT.
SO WHEN THAT PETITION COMES FORWARD, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOLKS IF DON'T VOTE FOR IT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT SAID OR WHAT DID, AND I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST IT'S HARD.
UM, AND, AND WE MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS EVERY TIME WE GO UP THERE.
UM, AND WE JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.
BUT THE REASON THAT ALL OF US RAN FOR OFFICE IS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND NOBODY TOLD US IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY.
NOBODY TOLD US THAT EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO LIKE AND LOVE US.
AND WE HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THAT.
OTHERWISE, THIS IS NEVER, EVER GOING TO WORK.
NEVER. MY SUMMER AND MY THOUGHTS GO MORE BACK TOWARDS MATTHEW'S OBSERVATION.
IF WE ALLOW OURSELVES THE DISCERNMENT TO TRUST THE GROUP WISDOM ON WHAT MOVES FORWARD AND WHAT DOESN'T, THAT WILL ORGANICALLY PLAY OUT WITH EACH PETITION.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE IF IF WE GET INTO THE PATTERN OF SENDING THE SIGNAL THAT IT'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR, WE MIGHT START TO SEE LESS CITIZEN PETITIONS COMING THROUGH.
SO THERE'S A FEEDBACK TO THIS.
WHERE WE CAN HAVE AN INFLUENCE AND WE CAN NOT, CAN NOT CONTROL WHAT THE WHAT THE PUBLIC DOES.
BUT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIALITY FOR SENDING A MESSAGE THAT THE PETITION PROCESS WITH THIS COUNCIL IS PRETTY HIGH BAR TO MEET. AND YOU WANT TO BE VERY.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT START TO SEE THE TOOL USED LESS.
I THINK WE WERE ALL SO EAGER TO MAKE SURE THESE CONVERSATIONS WENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAD THE OPPOSITE STARTING TO HAPPEN, WHERE IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PUBLIC HAD AN EASY WAY TO GET ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE CAN SORT OF WE CAN SORT OF SWITCH THE SIGNALS THERE.
ORGANIZE A CONSPIRACY AROUND THAT.
WANT TO END WITH WHAT? STARTED BY SAYING IS THAT THAT DISCERNMENT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE ORGANIC.
IT'S GOING TO BE CASE BY CASE, AND IT'S IT'S WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST EACH OTHER.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE GROUP IS GOING TO COMES OUT OF THAT PROCESS.
SOME OF THESE THINGS DESERVE TO COME FORWARD.
MANY OF THEM WILL NOT MEET THAT STANDARD.
IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS HOW WE DO THAT.
UM, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT I HAVE PUT FORWARD FAIRS IN MY ROLE AND MY MY.
UM. MY PREROGATIVE AS AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF CITIZENS.
SO THE CITIZENS DON'T JUST HAVE TO COME TO THE AGENDA THROUGH THE PETITION PROCESS.
IT IS WELL AND GOOD FOR CITIZENS TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO CAN AGAIN ADVOCATE FOR THEIR CAUSES, AND AT LEAST SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO MOVE FORWARD.
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AND THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER PROCESSES THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE TO BRING THINGS BEFORE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REGARDLESS.THANK YOU FOR A VERY THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE FAIR PROCESS.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY PARALLELS BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND YOU JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE THAT VICE MAYOR.
IF YOU CAN WALK US THROUGH THE MECHANICS AND THEN I MIGHT SPEAK TO THE LAST BULLET.
SURE. SO JUST AS CITIZEN PETITIONS ARE A WAY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BRING FORWARD FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, THE FAIR PROCESS IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH COUNCIL HAS THAT SAME ABILITY.
SO. THERE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO POSSIBLE POLICY FORMULATION.
I HATE TO JUST READ FROM THE SLIDE, BUT IT'S JUST A GREAT SENTENCE AND NOT.
AND NOT NECESSARILY AS A MEANS OF OBTAINING INFORMATION OR MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT.
OR I THINK YOU COULD EVEN ADD KIND OF SOME OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REALM AS WELL, TO SOME EXTENT.
WE ASK THAT THOSE FARE ITEMS BE REQUESTED IN THAT TOO, FROM SECTION OF OUR AGENDA THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWS THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION REQUEST TO HAPPEN IN AN OPEN MEETING, BUT IT GIVES US A WAY AS STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REALLY MONITOR WHAT'S BEING ASKED.
AND AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, THAT THAT'S HOW IT GETS THERE.
THANKS AND WANT TO TOUCH ON THE LAST BULLET, WHICH READS THE FAIR PROCESS IS A GOOD AND THOUGHTFUL METHODOLOGY, AND EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT SUGGEST SOME REFINEMENTS, THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SMALL REFINEMENTS.
BUT I WANT TO BRIEFLY SPEAK TO HOW WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS.
AND WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT UNDERLYING RESPECT.
VERY SIMILARLY, THE FAIR PROCESS IS ONE BY WHICH YOU, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, COULD ADVANCE AN ITEM.
THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF IT EXISTS HERE WITHOUT ANY METHODOLOGY IN PLACE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE MANAGER GETS LOBBIED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FORMULATE AN AGENDA AND TO GET, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND IT HAPPENS.
SO METHODOLOGIES COME ABOUT BY WHICH THAT IS A LITTLE BIT NEUTRALIZED, IF YOU WILL.
SOMETIMES THEY WOULD GET ON THE AGENDA OR NOT.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION. IT WASN'T THE GREATEST APPROACH.
AND OTHERS MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEMOCRATIC AND THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS IN THE FORUM DISCUSSION.
SO IT ALL HAPPENS DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND IT WORKS BY AND LARGE.
AGAIN, WE'LL OFFER UP SOME REFINEMENTS, BUT I THINK PERSONALLY IT'S A GOOD PROCESS AND ONE THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE THERE'S A GREAT IMPORTANCE ATTRIBUTED TO WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
AND YOU SHOULD NEVER JUST RELY UPON YOUR MANAGER TO GET THE AGENDA RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE TO IT.
SO. SO ONCE WE GET THE INITIAL REQUEST, LIKE I SAID, IT GETS PLACED ON AN AGENDA UNDER THAT FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST SECTION.
WE'VE MADE MENTION BEFORE THEY'RE PLACED IN A QUEUE BASED ON THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED.
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AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW THAT WE'VE JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY SAID WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OUT THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.THINK PICKLEBALL IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT? WE JUST KNEW THE SENSITIVITY OF THE TIMING.
WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THINGS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
I DON'T EITHER. JUST TRYING TO HIT THIS CURSOR IN A LITTLE CIRCLE, AND IT'S LIKE WAVING ON MINE.
THERE YOU GO. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT FARE ITEMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT ITEMS ON THERE THAT ARE DATING BACK TO LAST YEAR.
AND. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST IT'S TRYING TO BALANCE THAT TIME WITH OUR CURRENT WORK PROGRAM WITH THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT A FAIRLY DECENT LIST HERE OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE IN THE QUEUE, IF YOU WILL, AND PENDING FUTURE DISCUSSION.
YEAH. IF I COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
I'M IN. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO BACK REALLY QUICK.
I HOPE YOU GUYS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO KIND OF SEE THAT.
UM, I SEE THAT AS MISSING ONE OF MY FARES.
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE QUEUE ABOUT REVISITING THE CITY LEVEL? YEP. YEP. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT THAT ONE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SECOND, DID YOU SWITCH THAT SLIDE OUT ON ME? YEAH. OKAY.
ALL GOOD. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT SPEAKS TO KIND OF HOW THINGS CAN GET LOST IN THERE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL TO PULL THAT OFF OF THE QUEUE.
TO DO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE FOUR OF YOU TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.
GREG SAID EARLIER THAT THIS ISN'T A METHOD TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THIS IS FOR POLICY DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE TIMES? I KNOW I'VE ASKED FOR FARES TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S A POLICY COURSE THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.
IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS CAN BE DIRECTED OR REQUESTED TO PROVIDE A CCR, WHICH IS A STAFF REPORT TO COUNCIL DOING JUST WHAT YOU ARTICULATED.
YOU KNOW, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A TOPIC.
BUT FALLING SHORT OF AN ACTION ITEM.
SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT. ANOTHER SLIDE IF WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADVANCE THIS.
WE ALWAYS CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
NOW, GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST RELY UPON YOUR MANAGER TO PRODUCE AGENDAS.
THERE HAS TO BE A THOUGHT PROCESS AND SOME METHODOLOGY GOING INTO THAT.
BUT IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO BE DIRECT TO YOUR QUESTION.
IT. THERE'S NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE OR OUT OF PLACE WITH JUST ASKING THE MANAGER, EITHER AT THE DAIS OR IN OUR MEETINGS, SAY, CAN I GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS? GENERALLY, IF WE GET THAT REQUEST, WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT TO ALL OF COUNSEL BECAUSE OF ITS RELEVANCE TO ALL OF COUNCIL.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROBABLY COMING TO MIND ON THAT TOPIC.
AND, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCENES WE'RE WORKING HARD TO GET.
INFORMATION TOGETHER ON SOME LAND USE CONFLICTS OCCURRING EAST OF THE CITY.
BUT WE HEAR FROM COUNSEL, WE'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION.
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SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FAIR WOULD BE AFTER A COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVES THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY NEEDED, AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANT TO ENACT A POLICY BASED ON THAT INFORMATION.I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD SCENARIO.
YEAH. AND THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS NOT NEEDED.
THAT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PERSON JUST WANTS TO SEE SOMETHING STATED FOR ACTION.
THE FOLLOW UP TO A COMMENT I JUST HEARD.
I THINK IT WAS STACEY THAT SAID.
UH. DARK WAS DARK ABOUT THE IDEA OF THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE SOMETHING UNFAIR LIST.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT YOU SAID FOUR VOTES TO GET IT OFF.
WELL, THE RULE IS THREE VOTES TO PUT IT ON.
SO ONE WEEK LATER THE OTHER FOUR VOTED AGAINST, IT COULD OVERRULE THE THREE VOTE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE IT OFF.
AND SO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE THREE SAY PUT IT ON THESE FOUR NEXT WEEK, SAY TAKE IT OFF THIS WEEK, LET'S PUT IT BACK ON.
IF IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.
AND I THINK THERE ARE CASES THAT'S TRUE.
TO RESPECT THE THREE VOTE TO PUT IT ON.
WELL, CAN WE LAUNCH INTO SOME CONSIDERATIONS HERE? AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOUNT IT.
DISCUSSION. SO LET'S HAVE YEAH.
SIMILAR CONSIDERATIONS AS TO THE PETITION PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD COUNSEL TO BE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING ON.
SOMETIMES THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED ADMINISTRATIVELY? AND MANY TIMES THAT IS ALSO THE CASE.
AND AGAIN IT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS CAN CAN YOU GET US INFORMATION ON THIS OR COULD YOU GET THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS, AS ONE EXAMPLE, HAS HAS A PENDING FAIR ON HAVING THE SENIOR HOUSING PLAN INCLUDED IN OUR STAFF REPORTS AS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN AND CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.
AS A AS A REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, A CHECK TO SEE, OKAY, IS THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC OR ITEM AS BEING IN THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN? WELL, WE'LL PURSUE THAT AS A FAIR IS COMING YOUR WAY.
SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FIX THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, DISPENSE WITH THE NEED FOR A FAIR ITEM, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF THREE VOTES.
WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, NOW, SOME SUGGESTIONS TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS.
YOU'VE HEARD ME CHARACTERIZE THIS AT TIMES AS BEING A LITTLE BIT CLUNKY OR RIGID, BUT YOU ALSO ARE HEARING FROM US SAYING IT'S A GOOD PROCESS, IT'S A METHODOLOGY THAT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT INTACT.
BUT BUT MAYBE WITH ROOM FOR SOME REVISIONS TO TO SIMPLIFY IT.
ONE IS TO ALLOW SOME LATITUDE IN HOW THE FAIR IS FRAMED, THE DISCUSSION.
SO WE GET THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE LATITUDE IN HOW IT'S FRAMED.
AND YOU KNOW, HOW YOU EXPRESSLY STATE SOMETHING AT THE VERY END OF A LONG MEETING SHOULD NOT SERVE TO PUT UP GUARDRAILS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT LATER ON.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LATITUDE IN HOW IT IS FRAMED.
WE CAN CONSIDER ADDING PHRASES, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE TOPIC.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF INCLUDING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW.
BRAIN DAMAGING EXERCISE OF TRYING TO ARTICULATE WITH PERFECT SPECIFICITY WHAT'S GOING TO BE.
WHAT IS THE FAIR ITEM ABOUT? IT'S A COMMON I'M SORRY, IT'S A COMMON, A COMMON, YEAH, WE USE A COMMON AND NO.
AND THE ATTORNEYS WILL ADVISE US WE NEED TO STICK TO OUR AGENDA ITEMS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WE AT ALL NOT DO THAT, BUT THINK THERE ARE TIMES WITH THE FAIR PROCESS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM COUNSEL.
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WE CAN'T REWRITE THE CITIZEN PETITIONS, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND REFRAME OUR COUNSEL, FAIR ITEMS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ENCAPSULATING EVERYTHING THAT WANTS TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND ADDRESSED.THAT COULD REALLY HELP SIMPLIFY, BECAUSE ALL TOO OFTEN WE HAVE TO.
WE'VE SEEN IT REWRITE FARE ITEMS TO GET IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME AND THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY.
UM, AND THEN BACK TO WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
AND AGAIN, IT'S SUFFICIENT TO DO THAT.
SO THOSE ARE SUGGESTED SIMPLIFICATIONS.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? THINK IN TERMS OF THAT FIRST POINT ON KIND OF ALLOWING LATITUDE.
THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND IS THAT STAFF.
BUT WITH THE FARE ITEMS, I THINK FROM A FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE TO WHEN YOU'RE HAVING KIND OF THIS CONVERSATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ADVANCE AN ITEM, TRY NOT TO BE SO PRESCRIPTIVE ON WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS EXACTLY, AND USING THAT TO PERHAPS DEVIATE A BIT, BUT THINK WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE.
BROAD AND HOW WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT ALSO GIVES YOU GUYS THE PERMISSION TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD AND, YOU KNOW, MOVING AWAY FROM WELL, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR FAIR SAID, EVEN THOUGH THE CONVERSATION IS A BIT RELATED.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES I THINK. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE FAIR PROCESS? COMMENTS. THOUGHTS? THIS? YEAH, THIS.
PERHAPS EXCEPTIONS TO PROVE THE RULE.
SLIDE ABOUT FARE ITEMS. HERE YOU GO. UM, YEAH.
I JUST TO BE SQUIRRELY HERE? I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE USED FABRIC TO MAKE POLITICAL STATEMENTS, AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD THING TO DO.
ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT.
FULL STOP. AND THAT WAS INITIATED THROUGH A FAIR PROCESS.
THINK OTHERS COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE THOUGHT TO DO IT.
UH UH, ISSUES THAT ARE VERY GERMANE TO THE FLAGSTAFF REGION, SUCH AS URANIUM MINING.
UM, OUR TRIBAL NEIGHBORS THINK I THINK I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT SECOND BULLET POINT IS A SLAM DUNK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THINGS IN BOX.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
THERE ARE THERE ARE SEVERAL TIMES WHICH THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH US MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT.
IT CAN CREATE DIVISIONS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY AND IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO CITY BUSINESS.
THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHEN POLITICAL STATEMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, AND THEY'RE JUST APPROPRIATE. YEAH.
SO BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S BETWEEN SEVEN OF US TO SORT OF.
WOULD OFFER A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD VIEW THAT AS A POLITICAL STATEMENT TO HAVE A RECITAL THAT IS STATED NOW, NOT JUST PRECEDING EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT PRECEDING EVERY COMMISSION MEETING AND AND ELSEWHERE, NO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OR SOME OF THE OTHER.
SACRED PROCEDURES THAT WE ADHERE TO.
OUR TOLERANCE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A POLITICAL STATEMENT AT THAT POINT.
IT IS IT IS A PROCESS THAT IS PART OF YOUR MEETINGS AND YOUR COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE INSTITUTIONALIZED. AND.
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GREAT AUDIENCE TO THE INDIGENOUS CIRCLES OF FLAGSTAFF AND IS HAS APPROVED A FUTURE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER, AND THE LIST GOES ON.THIS WEEK. TIME DOES GET BLURRY.
A CELEBRATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY.
ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND SO I TEND TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THERE BETWEEN THAT THAT LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS A POLITICAL SPEAKING PARADIGM. YEAH. TO THINGS LIKE URANIUM MINING AND THE BEAR SPEARS PROTECTION AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.
AT THE END OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE WERE LETTERS AND SOMETIMES RESOLUTIONS TO TO FORMALIZE THAT.
AND AGAIN, I'M MAKING A DISTINCTION THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN WE AUTHORED A LETTER AND SENT THAT OFF.
SO. MAYBE IT DOESN'T FALL NEATLY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE, BUT.
BACK TO YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS.
THINK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
THAT'S SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO WRESTLE WITH.
BUT I DO STAND BY MY MY CHARACTERIZATION THAT OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS A DECLARATION OF VALUES.
AND IT'S A DEFINITION OF TERMS. IT'S POLITICAL BY NATURE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. OH, THANK YOU MAYOR.
SORRY. WASN'T SURE IF YOU WOULD CALL ON ME.
UM, IT'S KIND OF THE ROOT OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE MAYBE A NEED TO FURTHER DEFINE WHAT'S WHAT'S MEANT BY MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT? BECAUSE SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT STATEMENT WERE, WERE SIMILAR TO VICE MAYORS, JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE THE THE MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE RENAMING OF THE PEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM. I THINK THEY KIND OF BRIDGE A GAP OR SOME BLURRY LINE BETWEEN EXCUSE ME BETWEEN POLICY AND POLITICAL STATEMENT.
SO I THINK IT MIGHT JUST BE SOME GENERAL DISCOMFORT WITH THAT PHRASE.
SO I THINK THAT WHAT THAT SECOND STATEMENT IS AIMING TOWARDS IS DEFINITELY A GOOD THING.
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH FAIR ITEMS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE WE NEED TO DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE LANGUAGE THERE.
RIGHT. AND POLITICAL STATEMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CONVERSATION FROM THE LAST FIVE MINUTES.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DIGITIZE THE ANALOG WORLD.
SO MY MY POINT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE MADE ON A CASE BY CASE.
YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SAY YES, IT'S SAD OR YES, IT IS CASE BY CASE DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL.
MY OTHER POINT IS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS DEFINED TO TAKE PAIRS OFF THE LIST.
WE DO. IT IS YOUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE.
I THINK KEVIN CAN PROBABLY QUICKER THAN I CAN BRING THAT UP TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WELL, AS I POINTED OUT BEFORE, THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE IT TAKES THREE VOTES TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE YOUR RULES.
AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY ABLE TO BE AMENDED AS AS THE COUNCIL WOULD SEE FIT.
BACK OF YOUR MIND LIST FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU SHOULD GO FIRST. IT'S NOT WRITTEN.
BUT THINK THINK IT SUPPORTS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT SAYS IF THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP IT ON, THREE IT STAYS ON.
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SO ESSENTIALLY YOU DO NEED FIVE TO.THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT. OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. YEAH.
IT'S JUST IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHERE YOU WOULD BE.
FIVE. IT'S WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT REVERSE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE.
NO, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT. GOOD.
THANK YOU. THAT'S HOW I READ MATTHEW'S.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD JUST A FEW MORE COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DISCUSS MORE ON HOW TO DEFINE WHAT A POLITICAL STATEMENT IS BECAUSE AS COUNCIL MEMBER, HARRIS BROUGHT UP THE RENAMING OF THE PEAKS.
THAT ACTUALLY IS AN ACTION ITEM THAT IF IT MOVES FORWARD, UM, WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING.
AND SO, UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME VAGUENESS, BUT I THINK THAT JUST THOSE TWO EXAMPLES SHOW THAT PEOPLE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE, UM, HAVE THOUGHT THEY WERE POLITICAL STATEMENTS, BUT BECAUSE THE END RESULT WILL END UP IN AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN IMPLEMENT INTO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE DEFINING DEFINITION WILL BE.
BUT I, I LOOK FORWARD TO A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HAVE A BETTER DEFINITION OF, UM, WHAT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE POLITICAL IN NATURE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON. SO JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE $0.02 IN.
THANK YOU. KNOW THAT 15 MINUTES SOUND GOOD FOR.
THANK YOU. I THINK IT MAYBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NON-BINDING RESOLUTIONS.
SOME THAT HAVE NO FURTHER ACTIONABLE DELIVERABLE TO THEM.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.
SO MAYOR MAY SHIFT GEARS TO THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.
THIS WAS. HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLACE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND HAS NOT BEEN USED A LOT.
THE FUND, I BELIEVE, IS $25,000 A YEAR.
IT DOES NOT HAVE PARAMETERS, DO NOT HAVE CRITERIA.
WE OF COURSE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW PROCUREMENT ON MATTERS THAT, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER THRESHOLDS OR THRESHOLDS ARE TRIGGERED. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO ALWAYS BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR BUDGET.
SO IN THAT VEIN, THE CITY COUNCIL INITIATIVE FUND IS BUDGETED EVERY YEAR.
AND BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATED TO ANY THING.
IT'S JUST THERE TO UTILIZE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.
THAT CAN RUN THE WHOLE GAMUT OF POSSIBILITIES.
IT WOULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION TO SEE AN EXPENDITURE.
SO IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUALIZED, BUT IT'S A COUNCIL FUND.
SO GENERALLY IT HASN'T BEEN USED AND GENERALLY AND IT'S NOT A THING THAT ROLLS OVER.
SO IF IT'S NOT USED YOU KNOW THE MONEY GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
RECENT EXAMPLES OF EXPENDITURES INCLUDE THE MOVIES ON THE SQUARE, WHICH I THINK WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES. YEAH, THE LIST GOES ON.
THESE ARE OUTSTANDING REQUESTS.
ADOPT THE PLANET AT THE LOWELL OBSERVATORY.
THIS WAS AT THE DAIS RECENTLY.
YOU MIGHT MAY RECALL THAT DISCUSSION.
THINK REGINA SOLIS ADVANCED THIS IDEA.
THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE HAS ALSO BEEN SUGGESTED.
WELL, WE CONTRIBUTED TO IT LAST YEAR.
OKAY. UM, THINK WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR.
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JUST NOT. OKAY. BUT THERE IS A REQUEST.SO YOU DON'T HAVE THINK THESE ITEMS. WITH COUNCIL'S NOD OF THE HEAD.
WE CAN SLATE THOSE FOR FORMAL ACTION.
IT CAN BE A CONSENT ITEM OR SOMETHING ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
BUT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SOME QUICK DISCUSSION OF THIS.
WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING NEAR THE END OF OUR TIME AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS GOING FORWARD.
WHAT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.
ABOUT WHAT? A DOCTOR PLANET AND SISTERS CITY SPONSORSHIP.
WHAT IS THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MEAN WHAT? WHAT WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE 3500 OR THE 10,000? AND HOW MUCH IS A POET? THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE MEAN? NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION OR WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW, RIGHT.
WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION OF IT NOW.
YEAH. AND SO WELL WANTED TO TALK PROCEDURALLY.
LET ME REPHRASE THAT. SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING REQUESTS THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL? UH, I KIND OF FEEL THAT THE SPARTANS SHOULD BE RELEGATED TO REQUESTS THAT COME FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THEMSELVES.
OTHERWISE, THIS LIST IS GOING TO GET A LITTLE LONG, REALLY QUICK.
AND IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT THIS KIND OF REQUEST, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, COMES THROUGH CITIZEN TO COUNCILMEMBER, BUT THAT'S STILL A BIT MORE OF A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE THAN SOMEONE USING PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
UM. I'M DOCTOR. IS THERE ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THAT? TOTALLY AGREE. OKAY.
SO. YOU WOULD WANT TO GET INTO WHAT IT IS.
RIGHT? THAT SO? I THINK A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TOOK A TOUR OF LOWELL'S NEW DISCOVERY CENTER.
AND IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SCALED REPLICAS OF ALL THE PLANETS, AND THEY ARE OFFERING SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYONE TO SPONSOR.
AND WE JUST KIND OF CHATTED ABOUT, WOULD WE WANT TO SPONSOR A PLANET? AND THE PLANET WE TALKED ABOUT WAS EARTH, AND THAT'S THE COST OF SPONSORING EARTH.
ALONG THE WAY. SPONSORED FOR AND WHAT WE GET.
AND IT WOULD JUST SAY SPONSORED BY FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL, SPONSORED BY FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL.
IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE THE THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTING ROLE IN THEIR ACTIVITIES, THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AT THEIR DISCOVERIES.
AND DO KIDS GET IN FREE OR DO THEY HAVE TO PAY? IS. IT'S LIKE. IT'S LIKE GETTING A PLAQUE ON A CHAIR OR.
YEAH, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M ASKING ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO HOW ARE KIDS GOING TO SEE THAT? THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HAS SPONSORED PLANET EARTH.
DO THEY HAVE TO PAY TO GET INTO THE EXHIBIT TO SEE IT? IS WHAT I'M ASKING, DO THEY PAY TO GET IN NOW? AND I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE THERE. I KNOW THEY DEFINITELY HAVE FREE, FREE EVENINGS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME AND AND VIEW THROUGH THE TELESCOPES.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THEY HAVE PAID.
I GUESS THERE'S TWO. THERE'S PROBABLY FIELD TRIPS THAT ARE THERE THROUGH THE SCHOOL, BUT.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.
ANYBODY COULD WALK DOWNTOWN AND SEE THE MOVIE OF THE SQUARE.
WANT TO KNOW, CAN ANYBODY WALK INTO LOWELL AND SEE THE PLANET EARTH? SPONSORED BY CITY COUNCIL.
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THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. STACEY FOBAR SAYS CHILDREN AGE 5 TO 17 ARE $17 FOR ADMISSION, AND FOUR AND UNDER ARE FREE.AND THEN HEIDI SAYS THEY'LL BE CREATING PLAQUES WHEN YOU SPONSOR.
YES, I UNDERSTAND FROM CHAT HERE THAT DISCOVERY FLAGSTAFF IS ALREADY SPONSORING THE PLANET AND DISCOVERS FLAGSTAFF AS PART OF FLAGSTAFF. SO IN EFFECT, THEY'RE ASKING US TO.
EARTH DOESN'T TAKE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE HOLDING IT FOR US.
DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS TO US.
WELL, IN FACT, I MEAN, WE COULD, BUT THE POINT IS, THE CITY'S ALREADY DOING THIS.
NOW THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
YEAH. SO THE MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE ARE ASKING.
AND THEN AS FAR AS SISTER CITIES AND YOUTH POET LAUREATE, ARE THOSE BEING PROPOSED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER? YES. WELL, SISTER CITIES WASN'T.
ALTHOUGH COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE SHARED THAT SHE SUPPORTED IT AT THE DAVIS YOUTH POET LAUREATE.
THIS IS THROUGH THE BOOK FESTIVAL, WHICH WAS STILL TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT.
THE HOW THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE IS, IS.
WITH THE PROCESS IS TO BECOME ONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE LIKE THAT.
ONGOING. UM, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S UP TO COUNSEL.
AND I ALSO HAVE ONE OTHER ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE.
YEAH. HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE IN THIS ROUND? WHAT'S YOUR BRACKET? IDOLOS 20.
SO MAYBE IT'S 50. IT MIGHT TAKE ME A MINUTE, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.
OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS.
UM, THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR LAW, LAW AND JUSTICE.
SO IT'S THIS NON IT'S THIS NON PROFIT THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE INVOLVED IN.
TORNADO BANALI AND SCOTT AND KIRSTEN HATHCOCK ARE INVOLVED AND IT'S UM IT'S REGARDING MISSING AND MISSING AND MURDERED PEOPLE WHICH INCLUDES INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND JUST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN GENERAL. THERE ARE RETIRED DETECTIVES THAT ARE DONATING THEIR TIME TO OPEN UP COLD CASES TO HELP FAMILIES GET SOME CLOSURE, AND THEY'RE DOING A FUNDRAISER, WHICH IS A.
WHICH IS A WALK, AND THERE'S WAY MORE TO BE DECIDED ABOUT THAT.
OH, IT'S NOT YOUR OFF THE AGENDA.
IT'S JUST THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
IT'S NOT NOTHING HERE AT THIS MEETING IS SLATED FOR ACTION.
SO JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE CRAIG'S GOING HERE IS.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS.
OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, PERFECT.
NOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF IT IS.
WE WANTED TO JUST TRY TO IDENTIFY OUTSTANDING REQUEST.
THAT SENSE UM, BUT I THINK TO THE POINT YOU SEE HERE ADDED TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MAYOR, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL CANDIDATE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD ADVANCE TO COUNCIL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THOSE BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? OR RETREAT.
WELL, WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND KIND OF GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON THESE THINGS, BUT NOT NOT RENDERING DECISIONS OR OUTCOMES AS TO WHAT GETS FUNDED. OKAY.
SO LET ME READ SOME COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN.
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HEIDI SAID, GOTCHA MAYOR, IF THEY ARE HOLDING EARTH, THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE IT? TO CLARIFY, WHILE THE SISTER CITIES ITEM WAS SPOKEN OF IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I SPOKE FROM THE DAIS THAT I WAS REQUESTING COUNCIL SUPPORT TO MOVE IT FORWARD.SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS LIKE COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE BRINGING IT FORWARD.
AND COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT ON THE TOUR FOR THEM TO SEE PICTURES OF WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING? YES. THEN KEVIN CHIMED IN LIKE, SHUSH, WHERE ARE YOU GUYS GOING? AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS, PLUS, IT DOESN'T ACCUMULATE YEAR AFTER YEAR.
IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT, CORRECT? YES. COUNCIL INITIATIVE BUDGET IS 25,000, AND COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS, I'M IN SUPPORT AND THIS IS JUST A THAT THAT SHE WANTS TO HEAR MORE.
AND SHE WANTS YOU ALL TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE AMAZING WORK OF THE OF THE NONPROFIT.
OKAY. AND, AND AND HEIDI SAYS TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THE LAW, SPONSORSHIP HOURS WILL BE SPONSORED BY DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF AND USE THAT LOGO WHEN YOU SPONSOR IT WILL HAVE THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF LOGO.
WHAT'S THE LAST BULLET ABOUT PROCUREMENT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET INTO THAT AND THEN MAYBE WRAP IT UP.
WE WILL GET THESE ITEMS. WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION FOR YOU AND GET YOU BACK ON THE AGENDA IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
GOING FORWARD. I THINK THE GENERAL QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? IS A CHECK IN? ARE THERE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGED? UM, I WOULD ADVOCATE, AS I DID WHEN WE FORMED THIS THING, TO KEEP IT LOOSE WITHOUT PARAMETERS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE FUND AGGREGATED OVER TIME? WE WOULD SUGGEST IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF CEILING AND THAT SHOULD PROBABLY MATCH PROCUREMENT RIGHT NOW FOR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, NOT A.
AND IF IT EXCEEDS A THRESHOLD OF $50,000, IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ACTION.
SO THAT COULD JUST BE A BASIS OF, YOU KNOW, YEAH, LET THE FUND ACCUMULATE, BUT NO MORE THAN $50,000.
WE HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSED TO GO TO 100,000.
SO MAYBE IT TRACKS WITH WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE IT AGGREGATE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, OR WE CAN KEEP IT AS IS, WHICH IS KIND OF A USE IT OR LOSE IT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING THOSE DECISIONS NOW.
I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE DIRECTION.
YOU'RE RIGHT. ROLL OVER OR LOSE IT.
FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, IS THERE A BIG DISTINCTION? OH, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER, BUT WE COULD HAVE RICK OR RANDY'S TEAM.
RICK TADDER WAS HERE. HE COULD HELP ANSWER THAT.
BUT THESE LEVELS OF FUNDING DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A FORMAL PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENT UNDER 25,000.
AS AS WE ADOPTED, WE CAN DIRECT SELECT.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION IN PLACE FOR THESE.
AND IS THERE IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF AMOUNT OF WORK NEEDED IF THE FUNDS CARRY OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR? AS FAR AS CARRYOVERS GO.
AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, PROBABLY AT THE APRIL RETREAT.
BUT DOES IT CREATE? DOES IT CREATE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR YOU ALL? IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF WORK.
SO WE CAN HAVE THIS ON AN AGENDA WHERE WE WHERE WE.
STATE OUR PARAMETERS FOR THE FUNDS AND AND THEN ALSO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF PROJECTS
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AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO DECIDE THEN OR OR MOVE IT FORWARD BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION OR WHATEVER.WE CAN DO THAT AND WE WILL DO THAT, AND WE'LL DO IT PRIOR TO APRIL.
YEAH, I THINK ENOUGH TIME ATTRIBUTED TO THIS.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THAT AND THANKS FOR GIVING US SOME DIRECTION.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIMES. WELL AS SWITCH GEARS.
THIS IS A PLACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY MONEY.
THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S IT. GREAT.
WELL, WE'LL JUST WANT TO MOVE IT INTO A WRAP UP.
GREG, DID YOU HAVE ANY WRAPPING UP THOUGHTS, OR SHALL I MOVE US INTO A WRAP UP FOR TODAY? PLEASE DO. OKAY.
SURE WILL. WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL ALL FOR SHOWING UP.
AND BE WILLING TO ENGAGE AND GO THROUGH SO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS UP TODAY SHARING THEIR AREAS OF EXPERTISE AS WELL.
SO WE'D LIKE TO FINISH THIS SESSION WITH A LITTLE REFLECTION AND THEN MAYBE A COMMITMENT TO ACTION.
SO. AS WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
I WANT TO INVITE YOU FIRST TO THAT MOMENT OF REFLECTION.
WHAT WAS A BIG WOW FROM TODAY? I LIKE THE COOKIES.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT OATMEAL RAISIN, CHOCOLATE CHIP BUTTER.
ALL OF THEM. ANY OTHER BIG WOWS? ANY LIGHT BULBS YOU HAD ABOUT THE CITY OR OR HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNMENT? THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.
YEAH. FEEL FREE TO LOOK THROUGH YOUR NOTES.
GOOD. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.
YEAH, JUST CRUISE THROUGH THERE, SEE WHAT CAME UP FOR YOU.
WELL, IT WAS NICE TO GO FROM THE STRESSFUL DISCUSSION OF WATER RATES TO OUR SUCCESSES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO REFLECT ON ON THINGS YOU'VE GOTTEN DONE.
I WILL ADD THE PARAMETER THERE.
SINCE OUR LAST BUDGET RETREAT WHICH OCCURRED WAS JUNE, SO IT WASN'T A VERY LONG STRETCH.
I THINK IF WE OPEN THAT UP, THIS COUNCIL SINCE IT BEGAN LAST DECEMBER.
WELL, THIS WILL BE A LOT LONGER.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YOU EXPAND THE TIME FRAME, YOU GET MORE SUCCESSES UP ON THE BOARD.
WILES. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE HAS POSTED.
EXCELLENT. CONSIDERING HOW TO BEST BALANCE INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY.
YEAH. AND I CAN TELL THAT THIS COUNCIL REALLY IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE INQUIRY.
COMMISSION, SO I'M BEING INFORMED.
NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.
I'M LOOKING AT HER. LOOKING AT ME.
I'LL. ALWAYS APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL IN A, IN A MORE INFORMAL SETTING WHERE WE CAN REALLY EXPLORE SOME IDEAS, AS IN COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE WE TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING REALLY.
WHEN SHE DANCED. AND INFORMAL, NICE LITTLE EXPLORATION.
GOOD. WELL, WHAT'S THIS ONE? WANT TO ASK YOU TO TURN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
GET IN A SMALL GROUP. MAYBE A.
OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS CAN CHAT BACK AND FORTH, BUT THINK ABOUT AN ACTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OR COMMIT TO OR TRY OUT AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE CONTENT FROM TODAY.
SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EXPLORE A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO TALK THIS ONE OUT WITH A SMALL GROUP.
[06:10:08]
NICE. YEAH.JUST SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IT'S.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING COMING UP FOR YOU? YEAH. SUPER FUN.
IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'VE GOT A QUIET PLACE.
YEAH. SO LET'S TRY OR DIG INTO OR TAKE IT AS IT
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IS. YEAH.WELL, I'M GLAD THIS IS SUCH AN ENGAGING CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE TAKEAWAYS MIGHT BE.
MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL CURIOSITY.
TO US. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD A GOOD CONCLUSION.
SO ARE YOU WILLING TO SHARE WITH THE WHOLE GROUP? WHAT YOUR CONCLUSION WAS.
THE WATER RATES AND HOW COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF THE OUTREACH.
AS FOR BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO INVOLVE A REALLY BIG COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
THE STAFF THAT IS HELPING IF WE CAN BE HELPFUL.
YOU DRINK WATER OUT OF THE FAUCET, OR DO YOU DRINK IT OUT OF THE BOTTLE? BOSS. MRS FLAGSTAFF.
WOW. OKAY, GET THE VIDEO CREW IN HERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN THE OUTREACH WITH THE WATER RACE.
I GOT ONE FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
TAKE BACK THE TENT. IN OTHER WORDS, USE WATER.
DON'T LIKE MINE OR JUST SPAWNERS? FORGET. SIX.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS WITH THOSE ACRONYMS? NOW LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S WRAP IT UP WITH THIS REFLECTION AND COMMITMENT.
SO TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THE TOPICS AND IT CAN BE A PERFECTIONIST AT TIMES I FEEL LIKE I.
DON'T HAVE THE TIME, BUT WOULD LIKE TO.
COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET WANTS TO DIVE DEEPER.
HOW ABOUT OVER HERE? YOU GUYS COME UP WITH ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO EXPLORE THE FUN.
OKAY. EXPLORE MORE EXPLORATION ON THE $25,000 FUND.
EXCELLENT. HOW ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER. HANSEN.
MATTHEW. ANYTHING TO UNMUTE FOR OR PUT IN THE CHAT? I THINK MY THING IS JUST REALLY TAKING MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES.
SO THE FAIR PROCESS AND BEING MORE MINDFUL WITH THE CITIZEN PETITION PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, BEING PART OF BETTER EXPLAINING THAT OR SUPPORTING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT AMONG THE CITIZENS THAT COME TO US AND AND ASK ABOUT THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE KIND OF MADE A MISTAKE ON IN THE PAST, AND THAT I CAN FULLY ADMIT TO, IS ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO SUBMIT A CITIZEN'S PETITION ON SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A FURTHER CONVERSATION AMONG US.
SO YOU CAN HELP SUPPORT EACH OTHER AS YOU MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, DIGGING DEEPER, GETTING INTO THE COUNSEL FUND, WORKING ON THE FAIR AND THE PETITIONS, WORKING ON THIS OUTREACH FOR THE WATER RATES. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RETREAT, KEEPING AN OPEN MIND, WILLING TO LISTEN AND LEARN.
YEAH, WE DID, BUT IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING US OUT.
RETURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.