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TODAY IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 12TH, 2023.

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the City Council and to the general public that, at this work session, the City Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for discussion and consultation with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

WE ARE HERE FOR OUR TREATS.

I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND GIVING YOU NOTICE THAT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AT THIS AT THIS RETREAT, WE MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS.

FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA.

CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL? MAYOR DAGGETT HERE.

VICE MAYOR ANDERSON HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

I'M HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

RIGHT. UM.

SO. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WOULD YOU LEAD US? I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

RESTAURANT OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.

JAMES. THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS ARE STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS.

BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.

GENERATIONS WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO PREPARING THIS AGENDA AND OUR MATERIALS, AND I'M EXCITED TO GET INTO.

GREAT. CAN I TAKE IT AWAY, MAN? YES, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

[4. City Council Retreat Water, Reclaimed Water, and Wastewater Cost-of-Service, Rate and Fee Study Priority Based Budgeting Objectives Refresh High Performing Governance Citizen Petitions and FAIR Process City Council Initiative Fund]

MORNING. MORNING. MORNING.

WELCOME TO YET ANOTHER RETREAT.

FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN AT THE RETREATS, WE TRY TO DO THESE FOR 4 OR 5 TIMES A YEAR.

MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT BUDGET, BUT TYPICALLY IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.

WE USUALLY STRUCTURE A RETREAT THAT IS NOT ALL ABOUT BUDGET, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE.

SO WE HAVE A NICE SAMPLING OF TOPICS TODAY.

WE'LL BE JUMPING BACK AND FORTH ON VARIOUS ITEMS TODAY.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION.

IT'S ALL IMPORTANT.

AND JUST A REMINDER THESE RETREATS, YOU KNOW WE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FORMALITY TO THESE.

WE LIKE TO KEEP THEM A LITTLE BIT INFORMAL.

AND WE DO HAVE A FACILITATOR.

AND I'LL INTRODUCE HER IN JUST A MOMENT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMALITY MEANS IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE ON THE FLY. IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT SAID, WE DO HAVE MICROPHONES IN THE CENTER OF THE U-SHAPED ARRANGEMENT UP HERE, AND THESE ARE STILL IN TERMS OF AUDIO, CORRECT.

WE DON'T HAVE MICROPHONES ELSEWHERE IN THE ROOM.

CORRECT? OKAY. NOT YET, NOT YET.

BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DO ASK BECAUSE THIS WILL BE RECORDED, THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, THAT IF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, FIND YOUR WAY SOMEWHERE UP IN PROXIMITY TO THE MICROPHONES, THEY'LL THEY'LL PICK YOU UP HERE, BUT NOT IN THE BACK OR FOR THOSE AT THE TABLE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.

NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE HAVE SOME FOOD AND BEVERAGE IN THE BACK, RESTROOMS OUT NEAR THE LOBBY THERE.

WANT TO THANK REBECCA AND ALL WHO HELPED PUT THIS VENUE TOGETHER FOR THIS RETREAT? YEAH. PLEASE PASS ON OUR THANKS AND STACEY.

AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR ORCHESTRATE THIS.

UM, AND ALSO TAKE NOTE OF THE FLAGS THAT WE NOW HAVE.

WHAT A GREAT ADDITION TO THE ROOM.

SO ALWAYS A NEW THING.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE COME TO THE AQUAPLEX SOMETHING NEW, BUT REALLY GETTING DIALED IN.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

IT'S NICE TO GET AWAY FROM CITY HALL EVERY NOW AND THEN AND FIND OURSELVES IN A VENUE SUCH AS THIS.

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SOMETIMES WE'RE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS VENUE, WONDERFUL VENUES TO RETREAT IN.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION WITH A NEW MEMBER OF THE LANCASTER LEADERSHIP TEAM, AND I'M MAKING THIS INTRODUCTION A LITTLE BIT FROM A SCRIPT HERE, AND I'M DOING IT WITHOUT READING GLASSES.

SO, JUDY, YOU'RE LIKELY TO HAVE SOME NEW CREDENTIALS AND TITLE BEFORE I'M DONE WITH THIS THING, BUT WILL GIVE IT MY BEST.

JUDY TINCHER IS A CERTIFIED COACH, FACILITATOR, ORGANIZATIONAL STRATEGIST, AND TRANSFORMATIONAL LOVE THAT SHE EXCELS AT HELPING CLIENTS TUNE INTO THEIR LEADERSHIP STYLE AND TAKE PRACTICAL AND APPLICABLE ACTION.

SHE COMBINES THE SCIENCE OF HABITS, POSITIVE INTELLIGENCE, LEADERSHIP AND DEVELOPMENT, AND COACHING FOR A UNIQUE APPROACH TO TRANSFORMATIONAL LEADERSHIP.

SHE IS A CREDENTIALED TEACHER AND HAS SERVED HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS, NONPROFIT LEADERS, AND GOVERNMENT PARTNERS THROUGHOUT ARIZONA.

HAVING AN AFFILIATION WITH THE ARIZONA CONSERVATION CORPS.

WE WERE JUST SWAPPING STORIES OF SOME BACKGROUND I HAD BACK IN COLORADO WITH THE CONSERVATION CORPS MOVEMENT.

SHE IS VERY CREDENTIALED IN THAT REGARD AND HAS A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT THERE HERE IN ARIZONA AND THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHWEST.

INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONSERVATION LEGACY WHICH YOU ARE SHARING WITH ME.

THAT'S VERY EXCITING.

UH, LET'S SEE, A COMPANY OR NONPROFIT GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP SPANNING 15 YEARS.

SHE'S AND ALSO SHE'S A CERTIFIED EMT.

AND THAT'S WONDERFUL.

IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THIS, UM, THE EXCITING STUFF THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, SHE IS A SKI PATROLLER.

AND WE WERE SHARING SOME STORIES THERE, AND YOU GET AROUND QUITE A BIT WITH THAT SKI PATROL AND I'M SURE, UM, ALSO WITH MOUNTAIN BIKE SKILLS COACH AND CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN A COACHING MASTERY PROGRAM SPECIALIZING IN I'M GOING TO GET THIS WRONG NEURO-LINGUISTIC PROGRAMING AND NEUROPLASTICITY OR MINDSET AND PERFORMANCE EXCELLENCE.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? THAT'S A MOUTHFUL.

YES, YES.

UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE JUDY WITH US TODAY AND LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE RICH EXCHANGE AND DIALOG THAT WILL FOLLOW. AND SHE COMES HERE QUITE CREDENTIAL WITH MANY SKILLS.

AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER.

CAN WE GIVE HER A GREAT MORNING APPLAUSE.

GOOD MORNING. ALL RIGHT.

FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS KNOW ME PRETTY WELL.

AND IF YOU PICKED UP SOMETHING, I LIKE TO STAY BUSY.

I'M HERE AND I'M THERE.

AND I WANT TO OFFER THAT TO YOU TODAY IN THIS COUNCIL RETREAT.

FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT SOME NOTES FROM LAST YEAR.

SO, COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO REVIEW THESE BRIEFLY, SILENTLY AND THINK.

WHICH OF THESE FROM THAT LAST RETREAT IS SHOWING UP FOR ME THE MOST? HOW AM I DOING WITH THESE? PERSONALLY? FEEL FREE TO CALL IT OUT.

SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWING UP FOR YOU FROM THAT LAST RETREAT THAT YOU'RE HOLDING ON TO.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

HUMILITY. HUMILITY.

THINK ONE THING. THINK OF IS WHEN I'M UP AT THE DESK.

IT'S LIKE THEY USED TO BE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UP AT THE PODIUM.

SO I NEVER THINK THAT I'M ANY BETTER THAN I WAS BEFORE.

THE SAME PERSON. YEAH.

THANKS FOR SHARING THAT. ONE MORE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY ONLINE.

YES. HAND UP. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

THANKS. YEAH. UM.

I'LL MIRROR COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS JUST PUT IN THE CHAT.

LAVA. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MINE AS WELL.

UM, I THINK JUST THAT PROCESS OF LISTENING, ACKNOWLEDGING, VALIDATING AND AND ESPECIALLY THE ASKING QUESTIONS.

I'M A BIG QUESTION ASKER.

I USED TO HAVE A ALLOTMENT OF QUESTIONS ASSIGNED TO ME AS A CHILD.

LIKE I COULD ONLY ASK FIVE A DAY, BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO REALLY GET THOSE THOSE QUESTIONS ASKED AND UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY COMING FROM.

AND I'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO PUT THAT INTO PRACTICE.

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EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP LAVA COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ONE AGAIN TODAY, SO HOPEFULLY YOU BROUGHT IT RIGHT TO THE TOP OF OUR MINDS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FRESH, RIGHT? I WANT TO INVITE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MOVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME IN THIS FIRST ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITY, BUT WANT TO INVITE YOU TO STAND UP AND GET INTO PAIRS.

AND I KNOW WE'RE IN AN ODD NUMBER, SO WOULD ANY OTHER PARTICIPANTS OR WOULD ANYONE ELSE BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE FOR DANCING OR WHAT? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DANCE, BUT YOU GUYS CAN GET UP IN PAIRS RIGHT ACROSS THAT BACK ROW.

WHAT'S THAT? OH, MAYBE I SHOULD DO IT.

OKAY. EXCELLENT.

NO. GREG LOVES THE LANCASTER LEADERSHIP ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.

SO PAIR UP AND THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE THOROUGH.

BUT I'M GOING TO INVITE PERSON A TO FACE THE SCREEN.

SO CHOOSE WHO'S PERSON A.

AND PERSON B, YOUR JOB IS TO GET SOME NOTE PAPER OR SCRAP PAPER YOU'RE GOING TO.

YOUR JOB IS GOING TO BE TO IMPLEMENT A TASK.

SO PERSON B YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN.

SO GO AHEAD AND GET BACK TO BACK.

PERSON IS FACING THE SCREEN.

PERSON B CANNOT SEE THE SCREEN.

GOOD. RIGHT NOW THE SCREEN SAYS CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY SOMETHING OUT.

SO PERSON A WHO'S PERSON A YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN.

ALL RIGHT. PERSON A IMAGINE YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR.

AND YOUR JOB IS TO GET PERSON B TO PERFECTLY REPLICATE WHAT'S ON THE NEXT SCREEN.

YOU'LL HAVE ONE MINUTE.

GO. YOU DO THIS VERBALLY? YES. YEP, YEP. WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS.

OKAY. SCREEN.

UH. THANKS, ROY.

ALL RIGHT. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

WE WANT TO GET A GOOD REPLICA OF WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.

THINK YOU A GOOD PERSON.

SO. WE NAILED IT, MAN.

OKAY. WE'VE GOT. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER COUPLE SECONDS.

HERE. PUT THIS FINISHING TOUCHES ON PERSON A, GO AHEAD AND GIVE.

TELL EM WHAT YOU GOT.

NO LOOKING, NO LOOKING AT THEIRS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. STOP! KIRSTEN B SHOW THE PICTURE TO PERSON A PERSON A THE SUPERVISOR.

HOW DID YOUR.

PERSON DO, DID THEY? THEY NAILED IT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

OKAY. I SEE TWO WINGS INSTEAD OF ONE.

UM, SHE DIDN'T TELL ME.

WHO LEADS INSTEAD OF ONE? HOW ABOUT. OKAY, OKAY.

WE DIDN'T GET TO DRAWING, SO.

WHAT'D YOU LEARN? PERSON A ABOUT GIVING INSTRUCTIONS.

SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S A DRAWING AND NOT TEXT.

OKAY. IT'S A DRAWING, NOT TEXT.

EXCELLENT. UM.

COUNCIL MEMBER. ASHLEY GIVING INSTRUCTIONS.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN? HOW DID MAYOR DAGGETT? WELL, I LEARNED THAT WE COME FROM A SHARED SET OF EXPERIENCES WHERE THE CONTEXT OF MY STATEMENT.

THAT'S SOMETHING I HEARD YOU SAY.

ONE OF THESE A DAY. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS HAD THAT SHARED EXPERIENCE.

OKAY. EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S SWITCH IT UP.

PERSON B YOU'RE GOING TO NOW BE THE SUPERVISOR AND GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO THE OTHER PERSON.

SO YEAH YOU'LL NEED YOU'LL NEED A PIECE OF PAPER.

ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

USING WHAT YOU'VE LEARNED.

TRY IT OUT. PLEASE.

THIS. THANK YOU.

OKAY SOMETIMES. BUT AFTER LISTENING TO.

IT'S. THE FACIAL FEATURES.

ALL RIGHT, THE COUNTDOWN IS ON.

FIVE. FOUR.

THREE. TWO.

ONE. LET'S HAVE PERSON A LOOK OR LET'S, LET'S SHARE THE REPLICAS AND SEE HOW YOU DID.

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OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KEARSLEY. GRAIG.

THAT IS PRETTY GOOD.

THAT LOOKS LIKE A DEER. NICE.

SO HOW DID YOUR SECOND ATTEMPT GO? WAS IT BETTER OR WORSE OR THE SAME? BETTER. YOUR BIGFOOT.

ALL RIGHT. UM. COUNCIL MEMBER.

YOU CAN TURN BACK AROUND AND HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.

WAS DRAWING A BEAR VERY POORLY.

YEAH, A BEAR, BUT THAT WAS MY SECOND THOUGHT.

OKAY, THIS WAS YOUR SECOND THOUGHT.

SO YOU'RE GETTING THERE.

INVITE YOU BACK TO YOUR SEATS AND JUST JUST LOOK AT, UM, HOW CLEAR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON CAN FACTOR IN. DID ANYONE SAY, UM, DRAW AN APPLE? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. BUT DID YOU WERE CLOSE WITH ONE A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY.

PEOPLE THE LIBERALS DIDN'T GIVE US.

OH, WE COULD HAVE SAID DROP AN APPLE WITH ONE LEAF.

YES, BUT SHE WAS LIKE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE RULES THAT DIDN'T GIVE YOU.

SO GETTING A HOLD OF THE RULES CAN CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL.

UM. WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION, BUT WE WANT TO WANT TO SET YOU UP WITH THIS.

AND AS YOU'RE REFLECTING OF HOW WHAT WENT INTO CLEAR EXPECTATIONS WITH THIS LITTLE GAME, YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING SOME OF WHAT I'VE PUT UP ON THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY USE THESE.

IF WE COME BACK TO THIS LATER IN THE DAY FOR A THIRD REPLICA WASN'T PART OF MY GAME PLAN, BUT IF IT WAS A BIG HIT, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT.

THE FIRST TIME WITH MY WIFE ALL THE TIME.

WELL, IT HELPS YOUR MARRIAGE.

IT'S NOT ALL THEIR FAULT.

WAIT. DO YOU DO IT THE GOOD WAY OR THE BAD WAY? I TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.

OH, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW.

UM, LET ME JUST SEE.

YOU'RE READING. LET ME ZIP DOWN TO THE LAST ONE AS A FINAL THOUGHT.

HOW DOES THIS LISTENER AUDIENCE LEARN BEST? AND SO FINDING OUT WHAT YOUR PERSON B, OR THE PERSON WHO CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN NEEDS CAN CERTAINLY HELP GET A GOOD RESULT.

THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I WANT TO INVITE AARON YOUNG AND THE SAND TECH CREW UP TO TALK.

WASTE WATER.

WASTE WATER.

WASTEWATER AND WATER.

WATER. WATER.

WATER.

KEEP AN EYE ON THIS. PERFECT.

THANK YOU. JUDY.

YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO TALK.

GREAT. IT'S OUR FIRST DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT IS KIND OF A NINE MONTH PROCESS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS THOUGHTFULLY AND PROVIDE ENOUGH TIME TO THINK AND ASK QUESTIONS, AND FOR US TO COME BACK WITH MEANINGFUL INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WATER, WASTEWATER, RECLAIMED WATER RATE DISCUSSION.

SO WITH US, WE HAVE STANTEC AND WE'RE SO GLAD YOU CAN MAKE IT IN PERSON.

WE HAVE ANDY BURNHAM, WE HAVE TIM HANCOCK, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY FOR THIS ENTIRE 90 MINUTES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, SO DID I MISS ANYTHING IN AN INTRO? SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.

THAT'S AN EXERCISE. WE JUST WENT.

THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE, I THINK YOU CAN RELAX.

YEAH. TO DRAW ANYTHING.

YEAH. WE GOT A WATER DROPLET.

UH OH.

MAYBE WE CAN JUST TAKE A MOMENT WHILE STACEY GETS THE POWERPOINT LIVE AND BACK TO CLEAR EXPECTATIONS IF YOU WANT TO.

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT OR DO YOU WANT TO DIVE IN BEFORE THE POWERPOINT? YEAH. GUESS ONE.

THINKING OF CLEAR EXPECTATIONS.

OUR EXPECTATION TODAY IS TO HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS, AND WE'LL COME BACK AT THAT JOINT WATER COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 23RD, WHERE WE HOPE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM YOU ON KIND OF ONE FINANCIAL PLAN FOR EACH OF THE THREE FUNDS.

AND I THINK THAT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE ONCE ANDY SHARES THE INTRO TO HIS PRESENTATION.

SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, AS JUDY INDICATED TO, I THINK ONE OF THE FRAMEWORKS FOR EXPECTATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOGICAL

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BREAK FOR DISCUSSION.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THINGS, PROVIDE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT ALSO MAYBE GET SOME DIRECTION WHERE APPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES.

BUT ALONG THE WAY, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT INFORMATION, YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME.

I DON'T HAVE A PREPARED SCRIPT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THROW ME OFF.

I'M PRETTY GOOD AT THAT.

SO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH JUST KIND OF A COUPLE OF FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS FOR THE RATE STUDY THAT FEED INTO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING, PARTICULARLY ABOUT JUST THE ADEQUACY OF THE REVENUE STREAMS OF THOSE THREE SERVICES WATER, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, WATER TO MEET THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE SERVICES WITH OPERATING AS WELL AS CAPITAL, AND THEN TALK THROUGH SOME OPTIONS, PUT IN SOME BENCHMARKING, AND PUT SOME CONTEXT AROUND WHAT THESE THINGS MAY LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER IMPACTS.

AND THEN WE WANT TO SET UP A CONVERSATION ABOUT NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE BY ALL MEANS THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS RELATIVELY SPEAKING.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONTINUED COMMUNICATIONS AND UPDATES RELATIVE TO PROGRESS ON THE STUDY.

WE WANT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE AND WHAT TO EXPECT AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THAT, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT OF THIS IN TERMS OF INVOLVING YOUR STAKEHOLDERS.

SO TIM'S GOING TO TALK QUITE A BIT ABOUT THAT AS WE GET THROUGH KIND OF THE INITIAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR.

SO FROM THE STUDY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE SHARED THIS SLIDE A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL STEPS AND SCOPE OF THE RATE STUDY.

AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TODAY IS THAT TASK TWO, LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL PLANS, TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE STATUS QUO, AND THEN LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE DIRECTION UPON RELATIVE TO EACH OF THESE THREE SERVICES AND LATER CONVERSATIONS.

WE'RE THEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANS.

WE TAKE, THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE PROPORTIONALLY AND FAIRLY ALLOCATED TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AS PART OF A COST OF SERVICE AND RATE DESIGN ANALYSIS.

SO THOSE WILL BE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS.

SO TODAY WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON KIND OF THOSE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS OF HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE NEED TO COVER THE COST FOR EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT SERVICES.

AND REALLY THIS COMES BACK TO REALLY STRATEGY NUMBER TWO FROM PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, FROM INVOLVING STAKEHOLDERS THROUGH PAST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE CONTEMPLATED AND INCLUDED IN THIS RATE STUDY.

SO TODAY WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT STRATEGY.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, DEVELOPING LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN, MAKING SURE WE'RE REASONABLY CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS.

WE'RE OPTIMIZING THE FINANCIAL MECHANISMS. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ITEMS IN OUR PLANS.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON TODAY AS WE COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT COST OF SERVICE ALLOCATIONS, RATE STRUCTURE, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF WAYS THAT WE ALLOCATE COST TO HAVE FAIR, EQUITABLE, DEFENSIBLE RATES, AND THEN ALSO HOW WE CAN MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME OF OUR OBJECTIVES INTO THE PRICING STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF ENHANCING CONSERVATION AWARENESS, PROMOTING AFFORDABILITY, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO FOR TODAY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS REALLY IDENTIFIED THREE SCENARIOS TO SHOW YOU, IN ADDITION TO AN EVALUATION OF JUST THE STATUS QUO.

SO THESE THREE SCENARIOS WE DID FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAME SCENARIOS JUST WITH DIFFERENT NUMBER OF RESULTS FOR EACH OF THE ENTERPRISES.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE CALLED THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX OR CPI SCENARIO, WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, THEY TRACK ABOUT 200 DIFFERENT GOODS AND SERVICES.

BUT ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS ACTUALLY WATER AND SEWER COSTS.

AND SO THAT PARTICULAR INDEX HAS GONE UP ON AVERAGE AT ABOUT 5% PER YEAR.

IF YOU LOOK BACK OVER AT 20 AND 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD.

AND EVEN RECENTLY IT SUPPORTS THAT LEVEL.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS LOOKED AT A PLAN THAT SAYS, WELL, WHAT IF WE INDEXED OUR RATES BY THAT CPI ADJUSTMENT GOING FORWARD STARTING IN FISCAL 25.

SO THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL NEXT SEPTEMBER.

JUST TO SAY, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ANNUAL INFLATIONARY INDEXING, JUST TO KEEP UP WITH ANTICIPATED INCREASES IN COST GOING FORWARD FOR OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL? YOU HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MET OUR TARGETS IN TERMS OF FUND BALANCES, AS WELL AS FUNDING OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKING SURE WITHIN SOME OF OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES.

THE SECOND OPTION IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF TERMED A SMOOTH CATCH UP, AND IT REALLY RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT THE LAST RATE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU HAD FOR THESE UTILITIES WAS ACTUALLY THINK IN JANUARY OF 2020.

SO WE'VE HAD A FEW YEARS WHERE WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, AND WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COST INFLATION THAT'S BEEN OCCURRING SINCE THAT TIME PERIOD.

AND SO AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THAT ALL AT ONCE, THIS OPTION LOOKS AT WHAT THAT AMOUNT OF INFLATION HAS BEEN OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND SPREADS THAT OUT OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND RETURNS TO INFLATIONARY INDEXING ADJUSTMENTS IN THIS SCENARIO.

AGAIN, ALL THE WHILE TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET OUR RESERVE FUND BALANCE TARGETS, COVER OUR OPERATIONS BUDGETS, BUT MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT WE CAN FUND UNDER EITHER OF THOSE TWO SCENARIOS.

AND THE THIRD SCENARIO SAYS, WELL, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO FUND THE NEEDS THAT OUR STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FOR OUR APPROVED CAPITAL PROGRAM? ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS NEEDS FROM OUR MASTER, PLANS FOR CAPITAL INVESTMENT, AS WELL AS OTHER UNFUNDED PROJECTS.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO FUND ALL OF THOSE NEEDS? SO WE TRY TO GIVE YOU A RANGE OF OPTIONS AND SPECTRUMS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE IN TERMS OF DECISION ALTERNATIVES YOU HAVE FOR CAPITAL SPENDING AND RATES TO HELP FACILITATE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEPS OF THE RATE STUDY.

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SO BEHIND EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS ARE COMMON ASSUMPTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS.

SO FOR ALL THE SYSTEMS EXCEPT FOR REFILLING WATER, WE'VE ASSUMED A 1% GROWTH FACTOR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH GROWTH RATES OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED.

WE'VE ASSUMED THE SAME RESERVE TARGETS EQUAL TO 90 DAYS OF OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.

WE'VE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD RATIO OF OUR ANNUAL NET INCOME.

SO OUR REVENUES MINUS OPERATING EXPENSES, THAT NET INCOME TO DEBT SERVICE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 1.2, IDEALLY 1.25 TIMES OUR OUTSTANDING DEBT SERVICE EXPENSES FOR THE OUTSTANDING DEBT. FOR THE OPERATING EXPENSES.

WE STARTED WITH A BALANCED BUDGET, BUT THEN WE'VE ADJUSTED IT TO REFLECT HOW YOU TYPICALLY SPEND VERSUS THOSE BUDGETS BASED ON PAST PERFORMANCE.

BUT THEN ALSO MAKE SURE TO FACTOR IN CARRYFORWARDS ONE TIME ADJUSTMENTS AND FUTURE INFLATION AS PART OF FORECASTING THOSE EXPENSES GOING FORWARD.

AS WELL AS INCLUDING OPERATING CAPITAL FOR THINGS LIKE PUMP REPLACEMENTS, FLEET REPLACEMENTS, THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT REALLY NEED TO FACTOR IN IN TERMS OF ONGOING OPERATIONAL PROGRAM FOR UTILITIES.

WE'VE INCLUDED COST ESCALATION FACTORS 3.5% FOR MOST ITEMS, EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ELEVATED AT HIGHER RATES OF INCREASE, NOT JUST LATELY, BUT HISTORICALLY. CHEMICALS, UTILITIES, MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.

THOSE ARE FORECAST AT A 6% INCREASE ON TOP OF THE 24 BUDGET GOING FORWARD.

FOR THE. WE'VE ACTUALLY ESCALATED THAT BASED UPON THE AVERAGE COST INCREASE THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM ENGINEERING NEWS-RECORD CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE INFLATION ON THE CAPITAL COSTS THAT WE HAVE FOR ALL SCENARIOS.

FOR EACH OF THE FUNDS. WE'VE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES, RATE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, ANY AVAILABLE FUND BALANCES, ANY REVENUE FROM OTHER FEES AND CHARGES AND CAPACITY FEES LOOKED AT, GRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, LOOKED AT DEBT FINANCING FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT.

DOLLARS HAVE A LONGER USEFUL LIFE THAT ARE RECURRING ANNUAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND ON.

SO WE TRIED TO APPLY A VERY OPTIMIZED FUNDING SOURCES TO ALL OF THESE FUNDS AS WELL.

GRANT FUNDING. YOU CAN SEE FOR THE PROJECT LIST THAT WE HAVE AND THIS IS IN THE SUPPORTING PACKET.

THERE'S SHEETS FOR EACH OF THE FUNDS THAT SHOW THE CAPITAL THAT I'LL GO INTO.

AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A SECTION THAT SHOWS THE GRANT FUNDING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 26 MILLION FOR WATER AND ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR WATER FOR GRANT FUNDING PROJECTS.

I STOP YOU THERE? YES.

THE GRANDSON. IS THAT JUST A A HOPEFUL OR DO WE.

DO WE HAVE GRANTS IDENTIFIED THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR.

SO THINK IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.

THINK CERTAIN PROJECTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE LIKELY TO RECEIVE GRANTS BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAMS, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN SOME CASES A SURE THING LIKE THE RECLAIMED WATER, THE ASPHALT PROJECT.

THAT'S A PROJECT THAT IF WE GET THE GRANT, WE'LL DO IT.

BUT IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.

CERTAINLY HAPPY TO LET SHANNON OR KAREN ELABORATE ON THAT FURTHER, BUT IT'S KIND OF A MIXED BAG, SAY.

AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE NOT FACTORED INTO THE FORECAST FOR THE WATER SIDE.

WE DIDN'T PUT IN THE FUTURE RANCH COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER SUPPLY FROM THAT RANCH, AND ALSO FOR WASTEWATER.

WE HAVE NOT FACTORED IN THE WILDCAT HILL TREATMENT PLANT DESIGN AND EXPANSION.

SO VERY MAJOR PROJECTS.

SO THOSE ARE NOT IN THE BASELINE SCENARIOS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SURE. THANK YOU.

THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

THANK YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS.

IN THE PAST, HOW MUCH OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS HAS BEEN FUNDED BY GRANTS AND HOW MUCH BY REVENUE? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN OF MY HEAD.

I'M NOT SURE AARON OR RICK, IF YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE OR MAYBE GET THAT OR AN ESTIMATE OF IT DURING THE DISCUSSION.

I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE.

AT LEAST OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS IT HAS NOT BEEN A HIGH PERCENTAGE.

THE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? SO IT HASN'T BEEN A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF GRANTS FUNDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THERE WASN'T A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR GREENS UNTIL RECENTLY.

FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECT TYPES THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.

SO HOW HAVE THEY BEEN FUNDED? UH, THROUGH OUR RATES AND CAPACITY FEES AND THAT ISSUE.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO OUR FUNDING MECHANISMS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.

JUST THINK THE DISTRIBUTION MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO AARON'S POINT, BECAUSE THE PROJECT MIX IN THE CURRENT FUNDING PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY ON THE WATER SIDE ARE LOOKING AT MORE GRANTS, I WOULD SAY, THAN WHAT YOU'VE HISTORICALLY HAD AVAILABLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY. THANK YOU.

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YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THROUGHOUT THE ANALYSIS FOR ALL THREE OF THE FUNDS, I THINK PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATION OUTSIDE OF JUST THE CURRENT INFLATION THAT WE'VE BEEN IMPACTED WITH ON THE OPERATING SIDE IS THE CAPITAL PLANS.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS REALLY TRIED TO BREAK THIS DOWN.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE WE'VE PUT IN THE PACKET THE SEPARATE SHEETS THAT SHOW YOU FOR EACH MONTH FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER, KIND OF THE DIFFERENT COMPARTMENTALIZATION OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM.

SO WE STARTED WITH IMPROVED, WHICH IS REALLY CONFORMS TO THE ANTICIPATED REVENUES FROM PAST PROJECTIONS UNDER THE CURRENT RATES BASED UPON A CERTAIN SET OF ASSUMPTIONS.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A PARTIAL LIST, IF YOU WILL, THAT APPROVED LIST, IT'S WHAT WAS FUNDED WITHIN PROJECTIONS AT THE TIME FROM EXISTING REVENUES.

SO FOR WATER YOU CAN SEE THE ANNUAL AVERAGE IS ABOUT $13.1 MILLION OVER THIS TEN YEAR TIME PERIOD.

THAT'S ABOUT 130 MILLION FOR WASTEWATER.

IT'S ABOUT 8.7 MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT 87 MILLION OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD.

AND FOR RECLAIMED, IT'S ONLY ABOUT HALF A MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT $5 MILLION PER TEN YEAR PERIOD.

HOWEVER, WORKING WITH STAFF IN ENGINEERING AND THE TEAM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL THAT REALLY SERVE TO FORM THE COMPLETE LIST.

WHEN YOU ADD IT WITH WHAT'S APPROVED.

THIS WOULD INCLUDE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED FROM PAST PLANS.

SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE WATER MASTER PLAN, SEWER MASTER PLANS, THESE ARE OTHER PROJECT NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED OVER AND ABOVE WHAT'S IN THAT APPROVED LIST.

AND SO WHEN YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER, THE APPROVED ACROSS THOSE OTHER PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD SAY, WELL, INSTEAD OF 13 MILLION A YEAR FOR CAPITAL TO BE ABOUT 20 MILLION, SO OVER TEN YEARS, THAT'D BE ABOUT 100 OR 200 MILLION FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.

FOR WASTEWATER, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $10 MILLION PER YEAR, OR ABOUT 100 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS.

AND FOR RECLAIMED, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 3.3 MILLION PER YEAR INSTEAD OF THE HALF A MILLION, OR ABOUT 33 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS.

AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROJECTS OVER AND ABOVE THAT THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT, AGAIN, ARE INCLUDED IN THE LISTING AS UNFUNDED PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE.

AND SO THESE HAVE BEEN ALSO INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS FOR THE WATER SYSTEM THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT ANOTHER $10 MILLION OF PROJECTS, WASTEWATER, IT'S ABOUT ANOTHER 25.

AND THEN FOR RECLAIMED REPRESENTS ABOUT ANOTHER $35 MILLION.

AND SO WITH THESE SHEETS TOGETHER AS KIND OF A SUPPORTING HANDOUT TO REFER TO TODAY, SO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU SEE HOW MUCH CAPITAL CAN BE FUNDED, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE NATURE OF THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THESE RESPECTIVE CATEGORIES.

AND I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT IN PARTICULAR FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A LOT OF REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT EXPENSES.

SO THINGS THAT ARE ADDRESSING IMPROVEMENTS AT WILDCAT, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES, FOR THE WASTEWATER SIDE, REPLACING HEADWORKS ROOFS, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, ALL THESE THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THE FACILITY AS IT, YOU KNOW, THOSE COMPONENTS REACH THEIR USEFUL LIFE.

AND SO I MENTIONED THAT THE CAPITAL SCENARIO.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK STARKLY OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST HERE WITH THE DATA THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGH YOUR SYSTEM, BUT JUST THE COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH ACROSS THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT ARIZONA AS WELL, BUT ALSO JUST NATIONALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT, UNPRECEDENTED INCREASES IN COSTS THAT REALLY GO BACK TO THINK ABOUT THE LAST RATE INCREASE THAT YOU HAD IN 2020.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF PIPE THAT'S RISEN 132%, THE COST OF PLASTIC PIPE FOR ALL THAT UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, 132% JUST SINCE JANUARY OF 2020. AND IF YOU LOOK AT CHEMICALS, THE INDEX ITSELF HAS GONE UP 31%.

FOR SOME UTILITIES, THESE HAVE RANGED BETWEEN 30 AND 50 AND 100% INCREASES DEPENDING UPON WHAT TYPES OF CHEMICALS ARE INVOLVED AND WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THEIR CONTRACT.

SO THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL PARTS OF THE EXPENSE REQUIREMENTS FOR UTILITY SYSTEMS. IF YOU WERE DOING THE STUDY BACK HERE, I CAN ALMOST ASSURE YOU, WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR FORECASTING, YOU DID NOT FORECAST COSTS TO GO UP LIKE THAT.

NO. NOBODY DID. THESE ARE UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS OF INFLATION.

AND MAKE THIS POINT, BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB BEING ABLE TO TO ABSORB THESE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.

BUT THERE BECOMES A POINT IN TIME WHEN THAT INCREASE IN OPERATING COST IS GOING TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE PAY FOR OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM.

AND THAT'S REALLY SOME OF WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE WITH YOUR SYSTEMS IS THAT WE'RE HAVING CHALLENGES PAYING FOR THOSE CAPITAL NEEDS, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE ACUTE OPERATIONAL COST INFLATION AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WE'VE SEEN.

SO THIS IS ALL FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE ECONOMIC DATA.

AND THEY SHOW BOTH GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION.

AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE TRENDS WERE PRETTY LINEAR.

UNTIL THEY WEREN'T. AND THESE COSTS ARE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR MANY COMMUNITIES, IN SOME CASES HAVE GONE UP 50%, DOUBLED.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES AND CITIES MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.

THEY HAVE TO GO BACK. AND IF THEY HAD SPECIAL TAX INCREMENT FINANCING MECHANISMS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXTENDED, THEY HAD TO INCREASE BECAUSE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE INCREASES IN COST, THAT SAME DOLLAR, SAME MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN USING FOR CAPITAL, NOW IT'S ONLY GOING TO TAKE YOU HALF AS FAR AS WHAT IT USED TO BE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE

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IN COST. SO THESE PRESSURES AND AS I GET INTO SOME OF THE BENCHMARKING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE INCREASES THAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME SIMILAR TRENDS HERE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION POINTS ON KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE ASSUMPTIONS AND DRIVERS BEFORE WE START GOING INTO EACH OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE. SO WE KNOW THE QUESTIONS ONLINE.

OKAY GREAT. ALL RIGHT SO LET'S GET INTO THE WATER SPECIFIC.

SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO DO IS MODEL THE STATUS QUO.

SO LET'S TAKE THE CURRENT REVENUES APPLY GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS TO THOSE.

NO RATE INCREASES.

PROJECT OUT YOUR REVENUES BASED ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS.

TAKE YOUR CURRENT OPERATING EXPENSES.

FACTOR IN THE IDENTIFIED NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR INFLATION, MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT OPERATIONAL CAPITAL INCLUDED IN THAT, AS WELL AS ONE TIME REQUESTS, OTHER CARRY FORWARD ITEMS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST PLAY THIS FORWARD, TAKE THE APPROVED CIP, JUST SAY WHAT IS THE ADEQUACY OF OUR REVENUES? WHICH ARE THESE LIGHT BLUE BARS ON THE LEFT TO MEET OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS? IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE APPROVED SIP AND THE BASE OPERATING BUDGET AS WE'VE ADJUSTED IT.

AND TO SEE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE OVER TIME.

AND THEN TAKE OUR AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS THIS RED LINE.

THIS IS THE FUND BALANCE EXCLUDING CAPACITY RELATED FUND BALANCE.

SO THIS IS JUST FOR BASICALLY YOUR AVAILABLE RESERVES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY TIED FOR CAPACITY.

AND THEN SAY, WELL, BASED UPON THE REVENUE AND EXPENSES, HOW DOES THIS PLAY FORWARD.

AND SO WE CAN SEE FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, THE EXPENSES FLUCTUATE A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR BASED UPON THE TIMING OF THAT APPROVED CAPITAL PLAN.

BUT THE BLUE BAR THE BAR STAYS PRETTY STEADY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE 1% GROWTH ASSUMPTION IN OUR REVENUES, NO RATE INCREASE ASSUMPTIONS.

SO WE CAN KIND OF GENERALLY SEE THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT A $5 MILLION ANNUAL FUNDING GAP JUST TO ADDRESS THE APPROVED SIP, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE INFORMED PROJECTS AS WELL.

AND SO IN THIS FORECAST, WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY BE OUT OF FUND BALANCE IN 2026.

AND THEN KIND OF GOING INTO WHAT'S REALLY A NON-FEASIBLE CONDITION OF NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE, YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE NEGATIVE CASH.

SO THAT'S AT A POINT WHERE THAT STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE IS BASICALLY USING UP ALL OF OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES.

SO WE'RE SPENDING MORE THAN WE'RE TAKING IN.

WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE THEN STARTED LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS THAT MENTIONED THOSE SCENARIOS.

WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, IF WE STARTED INDEXING OUR RATES AGAIN, NOT IN 24, BUT STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 25 AND WOULD BE IN SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, IS THE ASSUMPTION AND GO AT 5%.

AND THEN WE JUST ASSUME THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FORECAST PERIOD, WE COULD FUND ABOUT $120 MILLION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.

HOWEVER, IF YOU RECALL, OUR APPROVED FOR WATER IS ABOUT 130.

SO THIS DOESN'T EVEN FULLY FUND THE APPROVED CAP FOR THAT SCENARIO.

IF WE DID THAT SMOOTH CATCH UP SCENARIO WHERE WE TAKE THE CPI INCREASES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE YOUR LAST RATE ADJUSTMENT, AND THEN ADD THAT ON TOP OF THIS, SPREAD IT OUT. IT'S ABOUT 18% IS THE NUMBER.

AND DO 8.5% INCREASES.

THAT WOULD GET US TO $150 MILLION CAPITAL FUNDING.

BUT THAT'S STILL LESS THAN ABOUT THE $200 MILLION OF APPROVED PLUS INFORMED CAPITAL PROJECTS.

AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, IF WE JUST DID THE FULL FUNDING OF THE CIP FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, WHAT WOULD BE THE LEVEL OF INCREASE IN NEEDED TO FUND THAT FULL $208 MILLION? AND SO THE PLAN THAT WE IDENTIFIED HERE WAS 20% FOR TWO YEARS, 1510.

AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO GO BEYOND THAT JUST WITH THE SUSTAINED INDEXING ADJUSTMENTS.

SO THE BOTTOM SCENARIO, THIS COULD BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY.

WE STILL NEED THE SAME OVERALL RATE INCREASES DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO EQUALIZE IT 15% A YEAR, MAYBE DO 20 HERE, 15 HERE, AND THEN 12.5 HERE, YOU COULD YOU COULD MASSAGE THE RATE PLAN A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE COULDN'T DO THIS FULL CAPITAL PLAN.

WE EXTEND THESE INCREASES OUT BEYOND THIS FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.

AND SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE PERCENT INCREASES IN REVENUE THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE EXPENDITURES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT IF WE WERE TO SAY, APPLY THOSE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD TO YOUR EXISTING RATE STRUCTURE, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN TO A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL? SO BASED ON 4000 GALLONS, WHICH IS YOUR AVERAGE? SO THAT 5% A YEAR SCENARIO FOR THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX WOULD BE ABOUT $1.50 TO $1.88 ON MONTHLY BILL FOR WATER SERVICE.

SMOOTH CATCH UP WOULD BE ABOUT 262 TO 362.

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AND THEN THAT FULL FUNDING SCENARIO, IT'S ABOUT $6 ON AVERAGE TO THAT MONTHLY UTILITY BILL OVER THAT FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE CUMULATIVE ADDS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORECAST PERIOD BEYOND 2029.

SO AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WE'RE FUNDING IN THESE SCENARIOS, THIS IS THAT 120,000,000IN THE SCENARIO.

THIS IS THE 150 MILLION IN THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.

AND THIS IS THE FULL FUNDING WITHOUT ANY INFLATION.

THIS IS THE APPROVED AMOUNT.

SO THE IMPROVED PLUS INFORMED THIS IS THAT FULL WHEN YOU APPLY INFLATION AT 4% INFLATION FACTOR ACROSS THE BOARD.

YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR APPROVED.

CIP WE REALLY CAN'T FUND THAT.

AS I MENTIONED IN THE CPI SCENARIO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPROVED PLUS INFORM, IT'S OVER $200 MILLION.

WE REALLY CAN'T FUND ALL OF THAT WITH THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.

THEN THE FULL FUNDING IS THE SCENARIO THAT REALLY ACCOUNTS FOR ALL THE INFLATION AND THAT COULD COVER THE FULL CAPITAL COST.

SO EACH OF THESE THREE OPTIONS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME HARD CHOICES RELATIVE TO CAPITAL SPENDING.

THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT ARE ATTENDANT WITH THE CATCH KETCHUPS.

SO WE KIND OF JUST LAID OUT THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES FOR THE CAPITAL PROGRAM BY YEAR.

JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE FLUCTUATE.

GENERALLY, AS I MENTIONED, WE CAN GET ABOUT THE FULL 208 MILLION, THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO, 150 MILLION JUST TO CATCH UP.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ON AVERAGE IS A LITTLE OVER 10 MILLION A YEAR.

AND THEN IN THE SCENARIO AGAIN, WE'RE HOVERING AROUND 10 MILLION A YEAR FROM THAT 26 PERIOD ON OUT.

SO IF WE PLAY THAT FORWARD IN TIME, THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL BILL AT 44,000 GALLONS IS ABOUT $31 TODAY.

SO WE KIND OF START HERE AND THEN PLOT THOSE FORWARD OVER TIME WITH A SMOOTH CATCH UP OR THE CPI VERSUS THE FULL FUNDING.

THIS IS WHAT THOSE BILLS WOULD BE OVER A MULTI YEAR TIME PERIOD.

WE DID THE SAME THING FOR A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER SO THAT YOU COULD SEE HOW THE BILL TODAY IT'S ABOUT $170 FOR 30,000 GALLONS.

HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME UNDER EACH OF THESE SCENARIOS.

WE ALSO WANTED TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, BUT THIS FOOTNOTE HERE IS PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE GET INTO THE COST ALLOCATION AND RATE DESIGN PHASE OF THE STUDY, WE'LL TAKE THE REVENUE NEEDS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN DO A COST ALLOCATION TO MAKE SURE IT'S DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS IN PROPORTION TO THE DEMANDS THAT THEY'RE PLACING ON THE SYSTEM AND THEIR SERVICE CHARACTERISTICS.

SO NOT EVERYONE MAY SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF INCREASE AT FIRST YEAR TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WERE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, IF THEY'RE NECESSITATED THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS.

SO THAT MAY MEAN THAT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS INCREASE MIGHT BE INSTEAD OF SAY, 5%, 3% MAY BE A COMMERCIAL INCREASE IS 7%.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US YET.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT ANALYSIS, BUT THERE WILL BE A DISTRIBUTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ANALYSIS OF THESE INCREASES.

SO THEY MAY NOT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THE PROJECTIONS HERE IN THESE CHARTS.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS CHART, AND I HAVE, UM, A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND MY WATER BILL IS ABOUT $1,800 A MONTH CURRENTLY, NOT 175.

UM, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THIS.

OKAY. YOU PUT. 30,000 GALLONS.

JUST IT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I WISH MY BILL WAS 175 A MONTH.

APPARENTLY. IT'S A GREAT POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THERE'S SUCH A DIFFERENT COMBINATION OF METER SIZES AND VOLUME NEEDS.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT 30,000 GALLONS, THIS COULD BE MAYBE A RETAIL STORE.

BUT IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE 60 OR 70,000 GALLONS.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CAR WASH OR SOMETHING ELSE, IT COULD BE 100, 150,000 GALLONS.

SO THE DIVERSITY OF THE BUSINESS TYPES AND THEIR WATER USE NEEDS, WE COULD HAVE ALMOST AN ENDLESS SERIES OF COMMERCIAL CHARTS.

WE JUST TRIED TO GRAB A PRETTY TYPICAL EXAMPLE, BUT BY NO MEANS IS THAT GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF EVERY COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW? SO THIS CHART REALLY REPRESENTS A SMALL RETAIL SHOP DOWNTOWN.

NOT REALLY COMMERCIAL.

COMMERCIAL. YEAH.

THAT'S MARX. YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY A VERY WATER INTENSIVE USER.

AT 30,000 GALLONS A MONTH, THAT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER USE FOR THE BUSINESS TYPES THAT ARE OUT.

THAT'LL COME INTO THE COST ALLOCATION RATE DESIGN ANALYSIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE DETAILED IN CALCULATING NOT ONLY RATE STRUCTURES, BUT ALSO CUSTOMER IMPACTS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THIS FOR ALL CUSTOMERS THROUGH THE PROCESS, BECAUSE ANY POTENTIAL RATE STRUCTURE CHANGE MAY IMPACT CUSTOMERS DIFFERENTLY.

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AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DISSECT ALL YOUR BILLING DATA TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

SO LASTLY, ON THE WATER SIDE DID MENTION WE HAVE SOME BENCHMARKING THAT WE'VE DONE.

SO WE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT UTILITIES, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT MAYBE HAVE UNIVERSITY SIMILAR POPULATIONS, SIMILAR CLIMATES.

YOU KNOW, ALSO GRAB SOME FROM JUST LOCALLY TO AN EXTENT.

SO SOME OTHERS FROM ARIZONA.

ALTHOUGH THE SOUTHERN ARIZONA JUST TO TRY TO GET A SENSE OF SOME DECENT COMPARABLES TO DO SOME BENCHMARKING AGAINST FOR WATER AND SEWER BILLS.

AND SO THIS IS BASED ON, AGAIN, A 4000 GALLON BILL AND IDENTIFIES THAT OUR CURRENT BILL IS ABOUT $31.

AVERAGE IS ABOUT $33.

YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE YEAR THESE ENTITIES, THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.

WE'RE DOING WORK ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY OF SURPRISE RATE STUDY WITH THEM.

AND WE DID A VERY MUCH JUST AN ARIZONA SURVEY AROUND THE PHENIX AREA.

AND ACTUALLY THE AVERAGE IN THAT SURVEY WAS ABOUT $31 AS WELL FOR WATER BILL.

SO THIS IS A PRETTY TYPICAL BILL LEVEL TODAY.

AND THE REASON I SAY TODAY IS BECAUSE MANY OF THESE AGENCIES ARE LOOKING AT INCREASES GOING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A STUDY FOR SURPRISE RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS QUEEN CREEK.

AND THAT'S SHOWING LIKE THE NEEDS FOR INCREASES FOR THOSE SYSTEMS THAT HAVEN'T HAD RATE INCREASES IN A WHILE.

ALSO, WE JUST FINISHED AN UPDATE FOR TEMPE.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT A 14.75% INCREASE ON THEIR WATER RATES FOR NEXT YEAR, AS WELL AS THE YEAR AFTER THAT.

AND THEN 12% AND THEN 10% IS THE CURRENT FORECAST.

SO THAT'S JUST TEMPE.

WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR INCREASES BY EVEN FOR THE CITY OF PHENIX.

THAT'S NOT ON THE SURVEY, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THAT WITH THEM.

THEY JUST DID A 6.5% IN OCTOBER.

THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER SIX AND A HALF MARCH OF NEXT YEAR AND 13% AFTER THAT.

AND THEN SIMILARLY ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, THEY'VE DONE TWO, SIX AND A HALF AND THEIR FORECAST SHOWS 7% TO 9% AFTER THAT.

SO WE'RE SEEING THESE LEVELS OF ELEVATED INCREASES FOR MANY OF THESE AGENCIES.

IT'S CONSISTENT REALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING JUST EVEN OUTSIDE OF THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.

VERY LARGE INCREASES IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION, CAPITAL COST OF MS DOUBLED MANY AGENCIES VERSUS WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE.

AND THE OPERATIONAL COST INFLATION IS JUST BURIED BACK.

SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF IMPACTS.

WE DID A COMMERCIAL COMPARISON AGAIN FOR THAT SAME BILL.

SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY ALL COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, BUT USING THAT COMMERCIAL BILL AT 30,000 GALLONS, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF SIMILARLY A LITTLE BIT OVER THE AVERAGE OF $211 THERE.

THAT CURRENT BILL IS ABOUT $170 FOR FLAGSTAFF.

SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE SIT ON THE WATER SYSTEM.

SO WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAPITAL NEEDS, THE SCENARIOS, SEE IF THERE'S ANY REACTION OR FEEDBACK ON THE OPTIONS.

BECAUSE AS AARON MENTIONED, WE DO NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF START TO SOLIDIFY AROUND THE FINANCIAL PLAN AND THE REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASES OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE ALLOCATE THE COST TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AND HOW WE PRICE THE RATES.

SO THIS IS A PRETTY FOUNDATIONAL PIECE TO TO MOVE FORWARD FROM PRETTY QUICKLY.

OKAY. SO I'M GUESSING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

WHETHER THE WE CAN STRUCTURE THE FEES.

WHERE. THE GREATER BURDEN IS PUT ON THE HIGHER RESIDENTIAL USERS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE TIERED PROCESS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LOWER INCOME PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF AND AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THEIR WATER BILL.

FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS THAT WE NEED TO COVER.

TO BENEFIT AND TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND STEPPING UP THE RATES RATHER THAN PUTTING IT OFF FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND THEN SPRINGING SOMETHING ON THEM, I THINK IS MUCH MORE DESIRABLE.

AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT YOU DO HAVE THE CURRENT INCLINING BLOCK RATE STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTIAL IN PLACE TODAY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS THE RATE DESIGN PHASE, ONE OF THE TASKS THAT'S UPCOMING TO SEE.

DOES THAT STRUCTURE STILL MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER USE IN EACH TIER, BUT THEN ALSO THE PRICING FOR EACH TIER, AND THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO LOOK AT HOW WE DO THOSE TIERS TO SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, AN ELEMENT OF A RATE STRUCTURE MODIFICATION THAT MAYBE DOES BENEFIT THE LOWER VOLUME USERS THAT MAY BE OFTENTIMES ARE THE SAME THAT HAVE STRUGGLES WITH THEIR UTILITY BILLS, BUT ALSO STILL HAS A TIE TO THE COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE.

AND SIMILARLY, LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF TIERS AND THE PRICES FOR THE SUBSEQUENT TIERS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT, TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT MAYBE WE COULD ENHANCE THOSE TWO OBJECTIVES OF ENHANCING OR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST

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TRYING TO PRESERVE AFFORDABILITY AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD TIE FOR THOSE THAT ARE PLACING PEAK DEMANDS ON THE SYSTEM AS HIGHER DEMANDS THAT THEY'RE PAYING RATES THAT REFLECT THAT. MATTHEWS.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. SO? SO I TOO HAVE SOME CONCERN.

WE JUST DID A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RATE INCREASE IN OUR STORMWATER.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT DEFINITELY HAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE.

THIS LARGER FACILITIES AND JUST.

I'M JUST THINKING THIS OUT LOUD, THAT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW AGAIN, PLAYING ANOTHER CATCH UP GAME ON THE BACKS OF OUR RATE PAYERS IS A LITTLE WORRISOME TO ME.

SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS EARLY AND WE'RE JUST DOING THE STUDY, BUT I HAVE JUST REAL CONCERNS THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY PRICING OUR BUSINESSES OUT OF THE AREA.

UM, BUT REALLY TURNING INTO AN ELITE COMMUNITY WHERE ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE HAVES CAN AFFORD TO STAY HERE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS.

I KNOW THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE.

AND AND I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WE TALKED ABOUT GRANTS, BUT IS THIS RATE PROJECTION INCREASE JUST BASED ON 100% FUNDED THROUGH RATES, OR WAS THERE ASSUMPTIONS PUT IN THERE FOR POTENTIAL GRANTS? SO FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 30 MILLION IN ROUND NUMBERS FOR GRANTS HAVE BEEN FACTORED INTO FUNDING FOR CAPITAL.

IN ADDITION, WE'RE ALSO UTILIZING THE FORECASTED CAPACITY FEES TO PAY FOR PORTIONS OF GROWTH RELATED PROJECTS AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO LEVERAGE DEBT FINANCING FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT HAVE LONGER USEFUL LIVES.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO OPTIMIZE THE FUNDING SOURCES SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE RATE SUPPORT EVERY DOLLAR OF CASH FUNDING, YOU KNOW, EITHER RIGHT AWAY OR LEVERAGE THAT OVER TIME WITH DEBT, OR TRY TO UTILIZE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO MINIMIZE HOW MUCH HAS TO COME FROM RATES.

OKAY. SO THE THE CHARTS THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US ON THE INCREASES TO 2033 WERE TOOK OUT THE COSTS THAT WE ARE PROJECTING, HOPING, ASSUMING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, PAID BY OTHER SOURCES.

AND THIS IS JUST THE LEFTOVER OR IS IT THE FULL COST? AND WE'RE HOPING, THOUGH, THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, UM, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.

SO THIS IS, I THINK, THE COMBINATION OF MAXIMIZING THE GRANT FUNDING THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH TODAY FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK HAVE THE MOST ELIGIBILITY FOR IT.

ALSO IDENTIFYING THE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER FOR DEBT FINANCING, AND ALSO WITH THE FORECAST OF CAPACITY FEES, TO THE EXTENT MORE GRANTS ARE IDENTIFIED AND AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN WE DO THESE STUDIES AND DEVELOP THESE PLANS IS THAT THEY'RE REVIEWED PERIODICALLY SUCH THAT YOU CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SECURE MORE GRANT MONEY THAN WHAT WE'RE PRESENTLY ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE ABLE TO GENERATE MORE MONEY IN CAPACITY FEES AND IT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT, ALL ELSE EQUAL, THAT YOU COULD THEN COME BACK AND AMEND THIS RATE PLAN.

SO WE BASED THIS AGAIN CONSISTENT WITH THAT STRATEGY TO BASED UPON WHAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST REASONABLE AND AND SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS ON FUNDING.

BUT THE IDEA IS TO REVISIT THIS PERIODICALLY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CHANGES.

AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME POSITIVE IMPACTS FROM CHANGES OCCURRING DIFFERENTLY THAN PRESENTLY PROJECTED, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING CONSERVATIVE BUT NOT OVERLY CONSERVATIVE WOULD SAY REASONABLY CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR STRATEGY TOO.

SO CAN YOU SHOW ME BACK THE CHART THAT SHOWS OUR PROJECTED COSTS VERSUS OUR REVENUE? THIS ONE HERE. YES, YES.

SO JUST ONCE AGAIN, SO I'M CLEAR.

UM, THIS IS JUST BASED ON RATE COLLECTION AND EXPENSES.

MINUS ON THE REVENUE.

WHAT WE ALSO WOULD BE GETTING IN GRANT MONEY.

YEP. AND CAPACITY FEES AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY AND THEN HARRIS.

SO THANK YOU. COULD YOU GO TO THE CHART? THERE WAS TWO COLORS IN EACH COLUMN.

SO. LOOK FORWARD MORE AND MORE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE.

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NO WAS THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE.

FEYTI ESSER FUZED.

NO. WATER. PLUS THE OTHER FEE, WHICH IS HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE.

I THINK IT'S THE NEXT CHART JUST SAID THAT FACE CHARGE IS THE FEE IF YOU DON'T USE ANY WATER AND THE BLUE IS THE USAGE.

THAT'S. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT.

PART IT'S BASED ON USAGE IS A WAY OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CONSERVE.

SO. IT MAKES, YOU KNOW, IN THE EXTREME YOU WOULD ONLY CHARGE FOR WATER THEY USE AND HAVE A BASE CHARGE FOR. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT YOU NEED A STEADY REVENUE STREAM.

BUT I GUESS I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS PUTTING MORE OF THE CHARGE ON THE USAGE BECAUSE THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO SAVE.

I MEAN, I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE RIDICULOUS LAWNS IN THEIR FRONT GARDEN IN THE BACKYARD.

WHERE HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE NATURAL LANDSCAPING AND THEY USE ESSENTIALLY NO WATER.

AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE THING THAT WE WANT TO EVALUATE THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN THE STEADY REVENUE STREAM AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER.

AND I THINK THAT GOES TO SOME OF THE POLICIES, TOO, ON THE WATER RATES THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED IN PAST YEARS THAT SPEAK TO TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE, BUT KEEP AT LEAST 25% OF THE REVENUE COLLECTION IN THE FIXED FEES, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT TO TRY TO BRIDGE THAT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THROUGHOUT OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AS WELL, THAT THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEMARCATION POINT TO LOOK AT.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPTIONS PROBABLY AROUND THAT NUMBER THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND BRING BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE POINTS OF PROVIDING A GREATER INCENTIVE FOR CONSERVATION AND COST ALLOCATION TO THOSE USING WATER, BUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE SOME FISCAL STABILITY.

SO ONCE YOU MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT THE RATIO OF BASE.

RATE AND INCOME VERSUS USAGE INCOME.

THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CHAIRS AND TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR'S CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD BIG WATER BILLS.

WELL, IF WE MAKE THE LOWER TIER LOWER.

UM, AND THEN MAKE THE HEIGHT.

USE HIGH USAGE.

PEOPLE PAY MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED TO SAVE MONEY WILL BE ABLE TO, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WASTING WATER AND THEY'LL BE HIT WITH A MUCH HIGHER CHARGE.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS WALKING NEIGHBORHOODS RUNNING FOR ELECTION, THERE WAS ONE WOMAN THAT POINTED ABOUT HER WATER BILLS TO ME.

SHE HAD LIKE AN ACRE LOT IN.

THE WHOLE THING WAS IN GRASS.

I'M NOT KIDDING. IT WAS AMAZING.

AND THEN I TALKED TO ONE OF THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND HE TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD THE RECORD OF THE MOST WATER USAGE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

BUT TO ME, THE CONCLUSION WAS, YEAH, YOU'RE WASTING A HELL OF A LOT OF WATER.

YOU OUGHT TO BE PAYING A HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY.

WELL, I'LL SAY THIS TO YOU ON THE TIER DISCUSSION.

TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER THINK THEY'RE ALREADY JUST LOOKING AT THE CURRENT TIER SIZES THAT YOU HAVE.

LIKE THE FIRST TIER INCLUDES UP TO 3500 GALLONS.

MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT JUST ADJUST THE PRICING, BUT MAYBE EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT, PICK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INDOOR USE IN THAT FIRST YEAR, AND THEN MAYBE EXPAND SOME OF THE OTHER TIERS CORRESPONDINGLY.

SO DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTERESTING OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO LOOK AT, WHICH WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT MAY GET TO SOME OF THOSE OUTCOMES.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE VERY MUCH DATA DRIVEN AND DEFENSIBLE AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE MY REMARKS ARE GOING TO LAND, BUT Y'ALL WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

SO IN TERMS OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOWER INCOME PEOPLE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE USING LESS WATER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSEHOLD.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT GRANDMA OR GRANDPA LIVING WITH YOU, YOU'VE GOT 3 OR 4 KIDS, THERE'S MOM OR DAD OR WHATEVER IT IS.

I'M STILL LOW INCOME, BUT I'M USING MORE WATER BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE THAT HAVE TO BE THERE FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS.

OKAY, SO TAKE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO TAKE IT.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT ALSO.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE WASTING WATER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

AND THEN THE OTHER MY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT IS THAT.

SO. I RUN A NONPROFIT.

AND WE USED TO HAVE A WATERING SYSTEMS OUTSIDE IN THE GRASS.

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TURNED IT OFF, NOT USING IT ANYMORE, BUT STILL BEING CHARGED FOR JUST HAVING A METER.

THAT TO ME, SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY, IF I'M NOT USING THAT WATER, DO I STILL NEED TO PAY FOR? AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT IS THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE CHARTS AND STUFF.

WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO STUDY THEM.

MOST OF THE TIME WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO PUT THIS INTO LAYPERSON'S TERMS. WE HAVE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DON'T DO IT.

BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE MY WATER BILL BY 30, $40 A MONTH.

I'M JUST PULLING NUMBERS OUT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T RAISE IT.

YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO IT.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS COMES THAT COMES WITH IT.

SO. BUT JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR US TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THOSE POINTS, OKAY.

YEAH. AND TO THAT POINT, WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS ALREADY.

AND TIM WILL SPEAK MORE TO IT IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS REALLY UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE WE LAST LOOKED AT OUR RATES IN TERMS OF OUR COST STRUCTURE, AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES TO OUR RATES AND THE NATURE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO PRESERVING ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER, AS WELL AS PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND MAKING SURE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN GOOD CONDITION.

SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT TIM IS GOING TO SPEAK TO IN TERMS OF HELPING MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT GOOD WAYS TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO FOLKS, AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST CRYING WOLF, THAT THERE'S A REALITY TO THIS.

THERE'S VERY MUCH A REALITY TO THIS.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOUR UTILITY SYSTEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, DESPITE ALL THOSE INCREASES IN COST, IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO WAIT UNTIL THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, PARTICULARLY FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.

THOSE CHANGES IN THE COST STRUCTURES ARE SIGNIFICANT IN SOME UTILITIES THAT DID THEIR STUDY, AND ONE IN FLORIDA IN 2021, AND THEN THEY DID AN UPDATE IN THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES ACROSS THE STATE INCREASED 50%.

IT'S JUST IT'S BAD.

IT'S JUST. BUT IT'S ALSO PART OF THE REALITY THAT THEY HAVE.

IT'S PART OF PROVIDING QUALITY OF SERVICE.

SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT.

AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THOSE COSTS.

BUT THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN, TOO, IS THIS COULD BE SMOOTHED OUT A LITTLE BIT.

SO I THINK THAT WAS MAYBE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.

SO AS OPPOSED TO THE FULL FUNDING BEING LIKE THIS COULD BE 15 ACROSS THE BOARD, SO IT WOULD BE LESS OF AN IMPACT RIGHT AWAY.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION FOR THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO IF THESE WERE A CONCERN IS TO FORMALIZE THAT.

AND THEN AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT UNDER ANY OPTION, ONCE THE STUDY IS DONE, THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS PRETTY REGULARLY TO STAY ON TOP OF CHANGES, AND AGAIN, TO THE POINT THAT MAYBE THERE'S MORE SUCCESS ON GRANT FUNDING OR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED AND YOU COULD STAY ON TOP OF IT.

HERE. THE WASTEWATER.

HAPPY TO DO SO. WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE LANDING ANYWHERE ON THOSE PERCENTAGES AND WHAT YOU MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MOVE ON TO THE SPREADING THESE ALLOCATIONS AND RATE SIGNS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE ASKING YOU ON THE 23RD.

WHAT YOU'RE LIKELY TO SUPPORT DOWN THE ROAD.

SO FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WE AGAIN DID KIND OF THE EVALUATION UNDER THE SAME PARAMETERS.

OUR CURRENT RATES TODAY WITH THE MODEST GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS GOING FORWARD.

AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE GENERATING ABOUT 11 TO 12 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATING EXPENSES, THE OPERATING CAPITAL THAT WE NEED APPLY INFLATION FACTOR IN THE CARRYFORWARDS AND ONE-TIME REQUESTS, THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES ARE MORE IN THAT $20 MILLION A YEAR RANGE ON AVERAGE.

SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT A $9 MILLION GAP ON THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

A LOT OF THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL SIDE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MOMENT.

BUT SO FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THIS SYSTEM, YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINE, YOU KNOW, GOES BELOW ZERO EVEN A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN THE WATER SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT GAP.

SO FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, IT WAS ABOUT 5 MILLION EACH YEAR.

IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS YOU KNOW, ABOUT DOUBLE THAT ABOUT $9 MILLION PER YEAR.

SO THIS SYSTEM WE SEE PARTICULAR CHALLENGES FROM A CAPITAL FUNDING PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE BUILT AGAIN SIMILAR OPTIONS TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCENARIO HOW MUCH CAPITAL COULD WE FUND.

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AND SO THAT WOULD FUND ABOUT 72 MILLION OF CAPITAL.

BUT IF YOU REMEMBER FOR WASTEWATER JUST THE APPROVED ALONE WAS ABOUT $87 MILLION.

SO WE DON'T REALLY FUND THE APPROVED CIP UNTIL THE SMOOTH CATCH UP SCENARIO.

AND THEN IF WE WANT TO DO THE FULL FUNDING OF THE CIP AS IT'S PRESENTLY LAID OUT, REQUIRE TWO VERY LARGE ADJUSTMENTS FOLLOWED BY NO INCREASES.

HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO GRADUATE THE FUNDING UNDER THE FULL FUNDING, NO WOULD REQUIRE DEFERRAL OF SOME PROJECTS FROM THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO THE SECOND FIVE YEARS.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY LOWER THIS TO THE 3535 AND THEN DO THE 5% A YEAR INDEXING.

SO THAT WOULD BE YOU HAVE TO DEFER ABOUT $17 MILLION OF CAPITAL IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO THE SECOND FIVE YEARS, SO YOU COULD GRADUALLY ESCALATE UP TO IT.

BUT I THINK YOU COULD SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THESE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, TO MODERATE THE IMPACTS WITH THE PROJECTS.

SO FOR THE WASTEWATER SIDE, A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE PROJECTS THAT THE PLAN THINK, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COUNTRY CLUB INTERCEPTOR TO WILDCAT.

THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOGICAL ONES THAT MAYBE SHANNON WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED OUT OF THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO THE SECOND FIVE, BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LIST.

I DON'T WANNA ELABORATE ON THAT. OR.

YEAH. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THE LOGICAL APPROACH WOULD BE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTS AGAIN, WE ALSO GO THROUGH THIS FIVE YEAR MASTER PLAN.

RIGHT. WE'LL SAY WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU DO A MASTER PLANNING, YOU BRING FORTH THE PROJECTS HAVE TO BE DONE AT THE SAME PROJECTS THAT WERE ON YOUR MASTER PLAN 5 TO 10 YEARS AGO.

AND YOU SAID, WELL, LET'S MOVE BACK TO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS LIKE THAT.

YOU START TO RUN A TON. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE MORE APPROACH WOULD BE TO INTEGRATE THEM MORE INTO YOUR MASTER PLANNING.

I WOULD SAY THE WILDCAT INTERCEPTOR WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT ONE THAT WE WOULD DEFER, BUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU WOULD SHIFT TO OTHER COLLECTION SYSTEMS, RIGHT? OTHER MAMMALS THAT DON'T GET UPGRADED, OTHER LINES THAT DON'T GET REHABILITATED UNTIL YOU GET TO A COMPLETE POINT OF FAILURE TO WHERE THEY CAN BE REHABILITATED, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED. AND SO SO JUST KIND OF FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN I GET THAT IT'S HARD TO PAY FOR IT NOW, BUT THE LONGER YOU DEFER AT SOME POINT YOU DIG YOURSELF A LARGER HOLE LIKE IT CAN BE REPAIRED, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED.

AND I THINK ALSO ANYTIME YOU DEFER A PROJECT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THAT PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU 33 TO 50% MORE THAN IT WOULD HAVE COST YOU TO DO IT TODAY.

SOMETHING THAT. YES.

THANK YOU. ANYWAY, THANK YOU SHANNON.

A COMMENT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST SHARED AND THEN A QUESTION FOR YOU, ANDY.

BUT THE COMMENT IS JUST A REMINDER TO ON THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOW BEING REFERENCED WASTEWATER, THE INTERCEPTOR LINE MAYBE TOPPING THAT LIST AND I ASSUME WILDCAT BASEMENT IS MAYBE IN THOSE NUMBERS OR NOT.

WE HAVE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF REPLACEMENT FOR A LOT OF MAJOR ASPECTS.

THANK YOU. THE COMMENT IS A RESTATEMENT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN PAST RETREATS, INCLUDING A YEAR AGO.

THIS TIME WE'RE AT CAPACITY WITH RESPECT TO NOT JUST TREATMENT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S THE BIG, BIG COST THAT'S OUT THERE ON THE HORIZON.

BUT ALSO NOW WITH RESPECT TO OUR COLLECTION SYSTEM, THAT INTERCEPT LINE THAT WAS JUST REFERENCED.

WE'RE NOW HAVING TO MAKE STATEMENTS WITHIN OUR WATER AND SEWER IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THE CITY THAT, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR AN INCREASE, BUT.

WE'RE TREATING THIS AS A PRIORITY, AN URGENT PRIORITY.

THIS PARTICULAR INTERCEPT LINE AND OUR INTENT IS TO BUILD IT QUICKLY, CERTAINLY WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEAR WINDOW.

THE ALTERNATIVE REALLY IS A FRIGHTENING ONE, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, THEREFORE WE CANNOT APPROVE ANY ADDITIONAL GROWTH.

THE TOWN OF WILLIAMS JUST IMPLEMENTED A FOUR YEAR MORATORIUM ON EXACTLY THIS ISSUE.

AND THAT'S THE EXTREME DRACONIAN MEASURE THAT WE WANT TO AVOID HAVING TO TAKE IS THAT NO MORE CAPS. WE'RE DONE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE CAN IMPROVE OUR CAPACITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS VERY ALARMIST, AND I WOULD BE HESITANT TO EVEN SHARE THESE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, IN A DIFFERENT FORM.

BUT I THINK IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW, IT'S APPROPRIATE.

WE ARE AT OR NEAR VERY CLOSE TO CAPACITY.

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BUT WE FIND SOME TIME WITH THE NEW DIRECTORS AT THE VIEW.

THAT GOES TO THE TREATMENT CAPACITY TO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.

THERE IS NO TIME SAVING MEASURES TO BE TAKEN.

THE PIPES ARE NOT SIZED SUFFICIENT SUFFICIENTLY TO HANDLE THE EFFLUENT THAT IS PROJECTED TO RUN THROUGH THEM.

AND THEN ADDING TO THE COMMENT JUST SHARED BY SHANNON, IF WE EVEN WERE ABLE TO DEFER, AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT WERE NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING THEN IS JUST ADDING TO THE RISK OF TOTAL FAILURE OF PIPELINES.

AND PIPELINES DO FAIL OVER TIME.

THEY HAVE A LIFETIME. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY FAIL, THEY FAIL.

IT'S CATASTROPHIC. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TO REPLACE IT AT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND AT AN EXTREME COST, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BENEFIT OF PROCUREMENT.

AND. LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH.

THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A METHODOLOGY.

THAT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS WE HAVE TO SPEND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO REPLACE A FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE WANT TO AVOID THAT AS WELL.

AND DEFERRED REPLACEMENT GETS US CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THOSE CATASTROPHIC FAILURES.

I'LL STOP WITH THAT.

THANKS. THAT'S FAIR.

AND AGAIN, JUST SEEING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, RAN THAT SCENARIO JUST TO SEE.

BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A HARD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHICH PROJECTS YOU WOULD MOVE OUT OF FIRST FIVE YEARS INTO THE SECOND FIVE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO MODERATE THAT PLAN.

SO IT'S EVERY CHOICE HAS A CONSEQUENCE TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS CASE CAPITAL.

ANDY, I'M SORRY TO JUMP BACK IN.

HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU OR SOMEBODY ON THE TEAM.

WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GRANT FUNDING, AND I ASSUME WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DIRECT SPEND APPROPRIATIONS FROM STATE AND FEDERAL.

WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT IN RECENT YEARS.

BUT DO ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS ANTICIPATE SOME SORT OF CREATIVE FINANCING THAT WOULD ALSO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE AMOUNT OF RATE INCREASES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE NEEDED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS? THINGS THAT COME TO MIND WOULD BE LIKE LEASE PURCHASE ARRANGEMENTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

RIGHT NOW, WE RUN THEM WITH CONVENTIONAL FINANCING ASSUMPTIONS FOR PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE ACCESS TO.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY, CERTAINLY COULD BE REVIEWED TO SEE IF THEY OPTIMIZE THE RATE, INCREASE TRAJECTORY, AND MINIMIZE THE COST OF FINANCING THE PROJECTS. BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF THOSE YET.

OKAY. BUT MAYBE AS THE ANALYSIS CONTINUES, THEY CAN BE EXPLORED.

THEY COULD. YEAH, IT WOULD BE PARTIALLY DEPENDENT UPON WHAT SORTS OF ARRANGEMENTS WE MIGHT HAVE WITH BANKS OR LENDING INSTITUTIONS OR EVEN PRIVATE PARTNERS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO COME IN ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS TO SEE WHICH PROJECTS THEY ARE AND WHAT WE NEED THE TERMS OF THAT.

SO A FEW PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TRANSACTIONS LATELY, THE COST OF CAPITAL IS STILL PRETTY HIGH.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE MAYBE YOU COULD TRANSFER SOME RISK AND MAYBE ACCELERATE THE TIMING OF PROJECTS BY TAXING THEM, FINANCING FROM THE MUNICIPAL PERSPECTIVE IS STILL REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO COMPETE WITH BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE VERY HIGH RETURN ON INVESTMENT EXPECTATIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVE PROGRAMS OR THE BANK TO DO, LIKE A LINE OF CREDIT OR COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TO PAY INTEREST ONLY AND THEN TAKE OUT A LONGER TERM FINANCING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EXACTLY CREATIVE, BUT AN ALTERNATIVE STRATEGY THAT COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES THESE INCREASES.

YEAH. THE CITY HAS SEEN SOME SUCCESS UTILIZING CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS TRUE WITHIN THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS.

OKAY. WE'RE GOOD.

COUNCILMAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

UM, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE LIST OF.

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST. THAT'S A REALLY LONG LIST.

SO I'M WONDERING HOW LONG, LIKE THERE'S NO BREAKDOWN ON WHEN THESE WERE IDENTIFIED.

HAVE THEY BEEN SITTING ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST FOR TEN YEARS? SOME OF THEM. UH, SOME OF THEM LONGER.

AND THEN I WAS CURIOUS WHY THERE'S 16 MILLION FOR THE INNER BASIN PIPELINE.

UH, PUT ON HERE UNDER WATER.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S FOR WATER, BUT I WAS IN STACEY, BC, COMING UP HERE IN THE FRONT, I SEE SOMEBODY WALKING.

ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT IS PUT INTO THE TOTAL COST OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WHEN WE RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT WHOLE PROJECT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO AND WE DID NOTE IT'S IN TABLE THREE.

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COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE ARE SHOWING THE 16.1 MILLION AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE INTERBASIN WATER LINE.

SO REALLY THE CAPITAL PROJECT LIST THAT WE SHOW ARE ALL THE DOLLARS.

AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE GRANT FUNDED, YOU'LL SEE IN TABLE THREE THE LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL OR A PORTION OF WHICH ARE GRANT BEING GRANT FUNDED.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT LIST THAT TALLIES UP TO ABOUT $26 MILLION FOR THE WATER SIDE.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE NATURE OF THE PROJECTS, NEED SOME HELP FROM AARON OR SHANNON IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOME OF THESE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS OR IF THEY'RE RECENT EVOLUTIONS, THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR A FAIR PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT THE EXACT EXTENT OF WHICH I JUST DON'T HAVE FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

SORRY. WE'RE FOR INNER AND BELIEVE THAT ONLY THE UPPER PORTION IS GRANT FUNDED.

AND FROM SCHULTZ DOWN TO OUR RESERVOIR PLAN THAT ISN'T GRANT FUNDED.

THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON ON OUR WATER MASTER PLAN EIGHT YEARS AGO.

IT HAS IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS.

SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.

AND WE COULD WE COULD ELABORATE ON THIS AT A AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

YOU COULD, UM, PACKAGE PROJECTS DIFFERENTLY IF IT HELPS.

OKAY, I JUST GUESS BECAUSE I SEE THE TWO LINE LINE ITEMS FOR THE INNER BASIN WATER LINE PROJECT BOTH IN.

THE C LIST AND THEN DOWN IN INFORMED ADDITIONAL COST.

UM, SO DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MISTAKE, THAT IT WAS LISTED TWICE OR JUST.

THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST.

IT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST.

YEAH. SO THE PROOF IS THAT LIST THAT WAS INCLUDED KIND OF AS THE STARTING POINT WITHIN THE FINANCIAL FORECAST THAT WE HAD.

AND THEN THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE IDENTIFIED EITHER NEW PROJECTS ABOVE THAT SHOULDN'T SAY NEW, BUT JUST ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ABOVE THAT OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDS ABOVE WHAT WAS IN THE APPROVED CFP.

SO IT'S NOT NOT DUPLICATIVE.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU KIND OF AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE SHEET, IT'S A CUMULATIVE TOTAL.

ADD THESE THINGS UP. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE CODE, APPROVE WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS WERE WITH THE OTHER UNFUNDED PROJECTS WERE. SO YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A RUNNING TOTAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS CAN ADD TO AS FAR AS HOW LONG THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST.

OUR SERVICE SPEAK UP TOO.

BUT I BELIEVE FROM THE LAST RATE STUDY, WHICH WAS AROUND 2009, IT WAS DEVELOPED ALONG WITH THE MASTER PLANNING THAT WE HAD IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FIVE YEAR PLANS AND CONTINUING THE PROJECTS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS RATE MODEL.

SO THEY THEN IDENTIFY A WHILE AGO AND THEY JUST CONTINUE TO REMAIN ON THE PROJECTS.

THERE IS SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS WATER SERVICES IDENTIFY DIFFERENT THINGS THAN WE HAD THINGS IN THE PAST OR SO FORTH.

WE MAY HAVE HAD OR SWITCHED OUT SOME THINGS, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A TIMELINE OF WHAT THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED.

IN THE PREVIOUS RACE, IF THAT HELPS.

AS FAR AS TIMING. THANK YOU.

THEY KEEP US MOVING THROUGH WASTEWATER.

WE STILL DO EVERYTHING TO TO AS WELL.

SO THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY QUICK COMMENT.

AND THEN TO JUST ABOUT TAG ON TO WHAT GREG SAID.

IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WE HAVE TO SAY OR SORRY, WE HAVE TO START DEVELOPMENT, THAT WILL BASICALLY MEAN WE WILL BE UNABLE TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING CRISIS. OKAY.

AT THIS POINT WE HAVE ENTERPRISE TERMS, WHICH MEANS PRETTY MUCH HAS TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL.

NOW IT'S THAT WASTEWATER IS A REVENUE OR AN ENTERPRISE FUND, AND FRESHWATER IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

OR CAN WE THINK OF THOSE TWO TOGETHER? AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT AS A WAY OF NOT INCREASING THE COST TO THE CONSUMER, BUT ENCOURAGING CONSERVATION, WE COULD CHARGE LESS FOR THE WASTEWATER SIDE AND CHARGE MORE IN THE FRESHWATER SIDE AND HAVE THAT BALANCE OUT.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL.

AND THE AVERAGE BILL.

SO THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD STAY EXACTLY THE SAME.

BUT IT WOULD BE A WAY OF ENCOURAGING CONSERVATION THROUGH.

IF YOU USE LESS WATER YOU PAY LESS.

I'LL SAY THE CHALLENGES WE SOMETIMES SEE WITH THAT ARE FOR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE WATER ONLY AND IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, INCURRING COSTS FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE NOT RECEIVING

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SANITARY SEWER SERVICE ON THOSE WATER ONLY USES, THAT CAN BE A BIT PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEFENSIVE STANDPOINT.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOKING AT JUST THE VALUE OF, YOU KNOW, THE RETURN FLOWS THAT WE GET FOR THOSE SEWER CUSTOMERS THAT OFFSET THE NEED FOR RECHARGE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON THE WATER SUPPLY SIDE.

SO MAYBE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN ANALYSIS THERE THAT CAN BE CONDUCTED THAT MAYBE CAN QUANTIFY SOME BENEFITS FROM THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT ACCRUE TO THE WATER SIDE THAT COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR. BUT IF YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT FROM A DEFENSIVE STANDPOINT.

SO THAT WATER ONLY CUSTOMERS AREN'T PAYING FOR SEWER COSTS AND VICE VERSA.

SO WE DO HAVE WATER ONLY CUSTOMERS OR WATER ONLY METERS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR IRRIGATION.

SO DO THINK YOU HAVE A FEW OF THOSE OUT THERE IN THE SYSTEM.

THANK YOU. A HALF HOUR.

GOOD FOR THIS NEXT SEGMENT.

WE'LL DO OUR BEST. SO FOR THE WASTEWATER FUNDS CHANGE SCENARIOS, THE INCREASES TO THE TYPICAL BILL, YOUR RESIDENTIAL TYPICAL BILL FOR WASTEWATER SERVICES IS $21 FOR 4000 GALLONS, SO IT'D BE ABOUT A $1 INCREASE.

IF WE INDEXED IT AT THE CPI.

THAT WOULD GET US $72 MILLION IN CAPITAL.

IF WE DID 90 MILLION FOR THE SMOOTH CATCH UP, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE APPROVED FORM CFP.

THAT'S ABOUT $2 ON THAT MONTHLY BILL.

AND THEN WITH THAT FULL FUNDING, YOU KNOW, THOSE TWO LARGE ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE A 15 AND $25 INCREASE.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO SMOOTH OUT THE CAPITAL, THE 35% WOULD BE ABOUT A $7 TO $8 INCREASE HERE, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WOULD BE ABOUT TEN.

AND THEN YOU GO AT THAT POINT SOMEWHERE ABOUT $2 LEVEL INCREASES.

JUST FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE.

SO AGAIN, ON THE CAPITAL FUNDING, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENT COLUMNS, BUT BASICALLY IN THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, THE CPI SCENARIO, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY NOT QUITE FUNDING THE APPROVED ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION IN THE SMOOTH CATCH UP.

WE'RE FUNDING AT LEAST THE APPROVED, BUT NOT THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE APPROVED PLUS INFORMED.

AND THEN THE FULL SCENARIO IS OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT GETS US TO THAT FULL 125 MILLION.

SO WE DO FALL A BIT SHORT ON CAPITAL IN THOSE FIRST TWO OPTIONS FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

IN TERMS OF THE EXPENSES.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE ANNUAL AMOUNTS.

AND WHAT I MENTIONED WAS, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN LOWER THIS CURVE AND MAKE IT A MORE FLAT, 10 MILLION ESCALATING NUMBER, THAT'S HOW WE COULD GET TO THOSE TO 35% ADJUSTMENTS AS OPPOSED TO THE TO 70% AND THEN GO BY INFLATION.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'D HAVE TO MOVE SOME OF THIS CAPITAL FROM 25 TO 27.

CERTAINLY LAYING YOU'RE LAYERING IT IN THIS TIME PERIOD.

THAT'S WORK. SO RESIDENTIAL.

TYPICAL BILL. AGAIN, WE'RE AT ABOUT $21 TODAY.

YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE 270% ADJUSTMENTS FOR ESCALATING THAT VERY QUICKLY.

AS I MENTIONED, IF WE ARE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT OPTION OUT A BIT, GO TO ABOUT $29.

THEN IF WE GO TO 39 AND THEN IF WE INDEX ABOUT 5% USUALLY END AT ABOUT $54 FOR OPTION.

AND THEN AGAIN FOR THE TWO INCH EXAMPLE THAT WE DID RUN FOR COMMERCIAL.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE, WE'RE ABOUT $170 TODAY FOR THAT BILL.

HOW THAT WILL CHANGE OVER TIME.

EACH OF THESE OPTIONS AND WE DID DO BENCHMARKING HERE.

YOU'RE KIND OF NOTABLY BELOW THE AVERAGE ABOUT $32.

YOU KNOW WE DID THE SURVEY. WE WERE SURPRISED RIGHT NOW AND KIND OF PHOENIX AREA ABOUT EAST AND WEST VALLEY THAT CAME OUT ACTUALLY ABOUT $30 AS WELL HIGHER.

AND SO WE'RE PRETTY COMPARABLE ACTUALLY VERY FAVORABLE AND COST HERE ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE COMPARED TO THE BENCHMARKS WE CHOSE.

AND THEN ALSO JUST OTHER ARIZONA SYSTEMS, PRETTY LOW WASTEWATER BILL FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

YES, SIR. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THE CITIES IN THE VALLEY, THEY DON'T TREAT SOLIDS NECESSARILY LIKE WE DO.

AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL COST THAT MIGHT FACTOR INTO THOSE COMPARISONS.

SO. YEAH.

NO THAT'S FAIR. AND AGAIN EXPECTED INCREASES HERE FOR SURPRISE.

AND QUEEN CREEK TEMPE IS LOOKING AT A MULTI YEAR PLAN OF 6.25% INCREASES PER YEAR FOR WASTEWATER.

SCOTTSDALE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR INCREASE WAS FOR WASTEWATER.

IT WAS A FEW PERCENT COMING UP NEXT YEAR.

SO AGAIN WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE UPWARD PRESSURE ON WASTEWATER RATES AS WELL.

TOO MUCH OF THE WATER SIDE.

THE COMMERCIAL AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN AVERAGE.

THAT $170 COMPARES TO AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT $185 $186 FOR THE SAME BENCHMARKS.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE LESS THAN AVERAGE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON? PEOPLE'S MOVEMENT TO RECLAIM.

AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO TIM FOR PUBLIC SERVICE THERE.

SO RELATIVE TO RECLAIMED WATER, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT REVENUES VERSUS EXPENSES, THE REVENUES ARE ABOUT 1.1 MILLION PER YEAR.

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WE DO HAVE SOME NEAR-TERM CAPITAL IN THE IMPROVED CIP THAT CAUSED THE EXPENSES TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, BUT THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S PRETTY MODEST AMOUNT OF CAPITAL. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S MORE STRUCTURALLY BALANCED, IF YOU WILL, AGAINST THE APPROVED CIP THAN THE OTHER TWO FUNDS.

BUT IT DOES STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ANNUAL EXPENSES AGAINST THE APPROVED CIP.

AGAIN, DOESN'T INCLUDE THE INFORMED OR THE UNFUNDED PROJECTS HERE.

SO THIS ONE HAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER KIND OF STATUS QUO TRAJECTORY AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO.

BUT IT'S STILL GOT ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLAR FUNDING GAP BETWEEN THESE THESE ANNUAL EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE LOOKED AT SCENARIOS FOR RECLAIMED FOR A CPI OR KETCHUP.

WE COULD ACTUALLY DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE APPROVED CIP FOR RECLAIMED WATER ON THE APPROVED CIP.

IF YOU REMEMBER IT'S ABOUT $5 MILLION.

SO THIS WOULD GO TO ABOUT SEVEN.

THIS WOULD BE ABOUT $8 MILLION.

FOLLOW THOSE. BUT TO FULLY FUND A $69 MILLION CAPITAL PLAN.

AND THAT'S ABOUT 6.9.

$6.9 MILLION PER YEAR ON AVERAGE FOR CAPITAL.

THAT'S A LOT. THAT WOULD REQUIRE A 450% RATE ADJUSTMENT FOLLOWED BY 100% RATE ADJUSTMENT.

SO THESE COMPOUNDS. SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY ALMOST A 1,000% INCREASE IN WATER RATES TO SUPPORT THAT FULL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN CAPITAL NEEDS FROM EITHER OF THESE TWO OPTIONS TO THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT RECLAIMED WATER, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT CUSTOMER BASE.

WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, AND SO WE GRABBED SOME TYPICAL BILLS AT 73,000 GALLONS TO JUST SHOW WHAT THOSE INCREASES WOULD DO TO THAT TYPICAL BILL.

SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'D BE ABOUT 7 OR $8 AT THE SCENARIOS WE'D CATCH UP IS ABOUT $15.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SCENARIO OF FULL FUNDING ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BILL.

FOR THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER EXAMPLE, WE DID RUN A COUPLE OTHERS ON THE THAT'LL SHOW ON THE BENCHMARKING HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT THE FUNDING SIDE AGAIN IS JUST YOU CAN SEE THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN SCENARIO IN THE SMOOTH VERSUS THE FULL FUNDING AND CAPITAL IN THE APPROVED FORM.

AND THE FULL CFP ARE JUST SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE APPROVED TODAY ON THE CAPITAL NEEDS FOR WATER THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AGAIN, WE'RE ON THAT 6 TO $7 MILLION RANGE FOR CAPITAL SPENDING VERSUS THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS WHERE WE'RE KIND OF MORE IN THAT HALF 1 MILLION TO $1 MILLION RANGE SPENDING PER CAPITA. DON'T WE LOOK AT SOME TYPICAL BILL IMPACTS? WE GRABBED A GOLF COURSE EXAMPLE AT 28,000 GALLONS.

THE BILL IS ABOUT $50 TODAY.

AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE SCENARIOS OF INDEXING THAT WE GO TO 79 OR 93.

BUT IF WE HAD TO, WE WANTED TO FULLY FUND ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD TAKE THAT BILL FROM $50 TO ALMOST $800.

IF WE LOOK AT A FOUR INCH METER AT 500,000 GALLONS, THAT BILL TODAY IS A LITTLE UNDER $1,000 FOR THAT AMOUNT OF USAGE.

YOU CAN SEE OVER TIME HOW THAT WOULD TREND UP TO 1500 OR 1770, BUT WE GO TO ABOUT 15,000 WITHIN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS.

THE FULL CAPITAL. AND THEN WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO INCH.

AND THAT BILL TODAY IS ABOUT $50.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS ABOUT 150 OR 170.

EXCUSE ME. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME UNDER THE INDEXING SCENARIOS.

BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY THE FULL COST CHANGES.

SO FOR RECLAIMED, THE ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS YOU DO HAVE THE POLICY THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY, WHERE YOUR RECLAIMED RATES ARE SET AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WATER RATES.

SO PRESENTLY, THAT MEANS 35% OF THE COMMERCIAL RATE OF THE RECLAIMED WATER RATES ARE BASED ON.

SO IF YOU CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THAT PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAN THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO THAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO IF YOU JUST CHOSE TO SAY, DO THE FULL FUNDING OPTION FOR WATER, AND THAT WAS A 15% A YEAR INCREASE, BUT KEPT THE RECLAIMED WATER POLICY YOU HAVE, THE RATES ARE AT 35% OF THE WATER RATE.

THAT MEANS YOUR RATES WOULD GO UP BASICALLY ABOUT 15% A YEAR.

SO SO IF YOU WANTED TO FULLY FUND THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, BASICALLY SAYING YOU'D HAVE TO DEVIATE, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THAT POLICY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE BEYOND THE LEVELS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE INCREASES ON THE WATER SIDE.

DID. YOU SAID WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? YES. LOOK, SOME OF US MIGHT NEED SOME RESUSCITATION.

THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO IS DEFINITELY COULD CAUSE SOME CARDIAC ARREST.

SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT GAP. ARE THERE? ANY OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE APPEALING AND AVAILABLE FOR GEO BONDS OR ANY OTHER KIND

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OF FUNDING.

YEAH, WE CAN FLOAT THEIR IDEAS TO VOTERS TO GET MORE.

AND THE CAPACITY IS WITHIN THAT BOND OF DISAPPOINTMENT.

BUT THERE'S SOME THERE.

AND. ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS? I GUESS WE'RE NOT THE ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT ARE CAUSING THIS BIG JUMP IN WASTEWATER.

RECLAIMED WATER? YES.

YES. SO THAT WE DO HAVE THE LIST.

WE DO HAVE THE BUFFALO PARK BUILDING UPGRADE.

THAT'S ABOUT A $3 MILLION PROJECT.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL EXPENSE.

WE DO HAVE FOUR WILDCAT RECLAIM BOOSTER BUILDING EQUIPMENT UPGRADE.

IT'S ABOUT $4 MILLION.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT'S INCLUDED.

WE DO ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PRESENTLY UNFUNDED.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS A WATER LINE LOOP, FOX WIND PARK TO CONTINENTAL SLASH, WILDCAT HILL.

IT'S ABOUT A $13 MILLION PROJECT.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE MAJOR THINGS.

THE WILDCAT HILL RECLAIM PUMPING STATION UPGRADE IS ABOUT $4.5 MILLION.

SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIZABLE PROJECTS FOR FOR RECLAIM THAT COMPRISE THAT TOTAL OF $69 MILLION.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE IF IF THERE'S AREAS THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT EXTERNAL FINANCING OR FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT OUTSIDE OF THE RATES, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST WE FOCUS ON THOSE BIGGER TICKET PROJECTS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES, WITH A MODEST RATE ADJUSTMENTS, YOU COULD START GETTING YOUR FUNDING TO DO MORE THAN HALF A MILLION OF CAPITAL EACH YEAR. YOU COULD DO 2 MILLION, BUT THESE PROJECTS, THE MAGNITUDE OF THEM, WOULD HIT YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET ALL AT ONCE.

SO THOSE ARE THE PLACES I WOULD LOOK FOR.

IF YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

FROM COUNCILMAN MATTHEWS COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

THANK YOU. JUST IN LOOKING AT THE THE LIST FOR THIS SECTION.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHAT THE WATERLINE LOOP FOR FOX? GLENN, THE $12 MILLION.

WHAT IS THAT AND WHY IS THAT COMING UP? AND THEN THE. UPGRADE FOR 4.5 MILLION.

UM, CAN YOU JUST EXPAND ON THOSE TWO JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR ME? THE PROMISE. SHANNON WITH THAT SAME LOOP IS SO RIGHT NOW, THE RECLAIMED SYSTEM.

OUR PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM IS IN THE SHAPE OF A C.

IT DOESN'T FULLY LOOP BETWEEN FOXLAND AND THE WILDCAT PLANT THROUGH CONTINENTAL, SO THAT UPGRADE WOULD HELP WITH COORDINATION OF THE SYSTEM.

AND JUST IT'S A BETTER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO HAVE A FULL LOOP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S NOT ESSENTIAL TO SERVICE.

SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECT, THE BOOSTER BUILDING EQUIPMENT UPGRADE AND GETTING WATER FROM WILDCAT HILL UP TO BUFFALO PARK TANK COULD USE THE BOOST TO GET MORE WATER TO BUFFALO PARK.

SO THERE ARE TWO PROJECTS THE EIGHT INCH BOTTLENECK AND THEN THE BOOSTER SIDE OF IT AT WILDCAT HILL.

THAT WOULD GIVE US LIKE ANOTHER MILLION GALLON A DAY.

IF I UNDERSTAND THE ENGINEERING CORRECTLY AND I'M NOT OUR ENGINEER, WHICH THAT POSITION IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.

UM. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WHAT ABOUT RECLAIM PUMP STATION UPGRADE? THE. WILDCAT.

WILDCAT. OKAY.

OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY.

YEAH. AND WHY IS IT AN UPGRADE? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY IT'S MEANING UPGRADE, NOT A REPLACEMENT.

WHAT IS UPGRADE ACTUALLY MEAN? THANK YOU, COUNCILOR MATTHEWS.

I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT. SO THE REASON IT'S UPGRADED IS BECAUSE THE PUMP STATION ALREADY EXISTS.

BUT THE WAY THAT IT FUNCTIONS IS WORKING AGAINST THE SYSTEM AND DOESN'T HAVE THE TELEMETRY OR COMMUNICATION TO INTEGRATE WITH THE TANK AT BUFFALO PARK.

SO ALONG WITH THE BOTTLENECKS, IS CONCRETE CAPACITY TO MOVE PHYSICALLY THE WATER THROUGH THE LINE.

AND WE STILL NEED TO UPGRADE THE PUMP STATION TO WORK IN SYNC WITH THE STORAGE TANK.

SO A LOT OF IT IS OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, BUT ALSO HELPS US TO MOVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND LOWER SYSTEM PRESSURES, WHICH ALSO BENEFITS OUR CUSTOMERS ON THAT RECLAIM SYSTEM, SPECIFICALLY OUR POST DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

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OKAY. THANK YOU. AARON, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DON'T COLLECT CAPACITY FEES ON WEEKLY AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MIGHT BE RELATED, YOU KNOW, TO ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WHICH CUSTOMERS MIGHT BENEFIT FROM IF WE HAVE ENOUGH RECLAIMED TO ALLOW THEM TO CONNECT.

SO WHEN WE GET TO THE COST OF SERVICE AND RATE STRUCTURE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE THAT MIGHT HELP EASE THE BURDEN ON THE FULL FUNDING FOR FUNDING MORE OF THE INFORMED PROJECTS. YEAH, THE GROWTH RELATED ONES.

SO OUR RECLAIMED WATER IS K PLUS.

AND A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, COUNCIL DID A TOUR OF THE SCOTTSDALE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND WE ASK THE.

ADMINISTRATOR DOWN THERE.

YOU TAKE THAT YOUR A-PLUS WATER AND PUT IT IN YOUR AQUIFER.

AND HE SAID, OH, NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO CONTAMINATE OUR AQUIFER.

WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE GROUND, IN THE REAL.

WE'RE CONTAMINATING OUR.

SO GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I PRESUME NONE OF THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCLUDES UPGRADING OUR RECLAIMED WATER SO THAT IT'S TAKEN OUT. CHEMICALS OF EMERGING CONCERN AND THAT WE'RE REALLY PROTECTING OUR FOOD.

IT'S TRUE THAT THAT'S NOT THE FOOD.

WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE YET.

WE'RE IGNORING IT. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THOSE MAJOR PROJECT CONSIDERATIONS THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THIS RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

I'LL LEAVE IT TO THAT. AND AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, WE'VE GOT KIND OF A RECAP OF THE SCHEDULE HERE, BUT THIS IS MORE KIND OF A TRANSITORY POINT TO LET HIM TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES AND WHERE WE STAND WITH THOSE, AND TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THAT CONTENT AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME INPUT.

SO HAPPY TO.

THE OUTREACH IS THE THING THAT SCARES PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN SCARED ENOUGH TODAY.

SO. YES. YES.

SO. SO I DID NOTICE AFTER YOUR COMMENT.

OUR RESCUE PEOPLE LEFT.

HOPE THAT WASN'T, UM, BUT BUT GOOD MORNING, I'M TIM HANCOCK, I'M STANTEC, STREET ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOUR UTILITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS STAFF TO ASSEMBLE A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN, THE ELEMENTS OF WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING WITH YOU TODAY.

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, IN ADDITION TO 30 PLUS YEARS AS AN URBAN PLANNER DEALING WITH ALL VARIETIES AND TYPES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SCENARIOS ALSO SERVED MANY MOONS AGO. BACK BEFORE MY HAIR WAS GRAY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND IN THAT CAPACITY, I CERTAINLY HAVE A DEGREE OF UNDERSTANDING OF NOT JUST YOUR ROLE, BUT THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AND HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EMPATHY FOR THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE.

AND MANY TIMES THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS NO IDEA WHAT GOES INTO MAKING THE SAUCE.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

THEY JUST WANT THE OUTCOME THAT THEY WANT, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THE WHYS AND WHEREFORES.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF OUR ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM IS TO EDUCATE AND INFORM FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS QUITE SIMPLE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO LIKE WHAT DECISION IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO MAKE, BUT IT IS ABOUT GETTING THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS TO BE MADE.

AND SO WE WANT TO EDUCATE AND INFORM STAKEHOLDERS, STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROJECT, OUR CUSTOMERS, RATEPAYERS, ORGANIZATIONS AND INTERESTED PARTIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY NOT ONLY THE RATES BEING CHARGED FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO HAVE A PERSONAL STAKE IN THESE UTILITIES OPERATING AT A HIGH LEVEL.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THINK THAT GETS TO YOUR LAST POINT.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT MAY NOT BE LOOKING AT RATES AS MUCH AS THEY ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL IMPACTS, BENEFITS, OR DEGRADATION.

SO WHILE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROVISION OF THESE SERVICES ARE ALL EXTREMELY VITAL.

MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOES INTO HOW THEIR RATES ARE FORMED AND ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE WILL ENDEAVOR THROUGHOUT THIS TO ANSWER THE WHY, THE HOW AND THE WHEN, AND WE WILL DO SO AS PROACTIVELY AS POSSIBLE FOR A VARIETY OF OUTREACH PLATFORMS. SECONDLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE STAKEHOLDERS KNOW THAT THEIR INPUT IS IMPORTANT.

THEY'RE NOT JUST BEING PLACATED OR PACIFIED.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY THINK AND WHEN THEY THINK IT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT, SOME OF WHICH WE'LL REVIEW WITH YOU TODAY.

LASTLY, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, AS EMPHASIZED BY MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, WHEN WE LAST MET WITH YOU AND DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU, THAT ALL SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY BE

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AWARE AND THAT ALL SEGMENTS ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO.

AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF AND PLANS TO INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS.

UM, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU, SEPTEMBER, THE OVERALL MESSAGING FOR THIS EFFORT EMBODIED IN THE PHRASE KEEPING IT CLEAN WHEN IT COMES TO ALL FORMS OF WASTEWATER, THAT IS THE PRIORITY. CLEAN WATER IS THE HALLMARK OF QUALITY COMMUNITIES AND IS TAKING STEPS NECESSARY TO ENSURE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS TREATMENT AND PROPER DISPOSAL OF WASTEWATER DO NOT DEGRADE THE QUALITY OF WATER IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE MESSAGE HAS MANY SUPPORTING ELEMENTS, ALL OF WHICH YOU HAVE REVIEWED, FULFILLING ALL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS NOT AN OPTION, AND THERE ARE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE COMING BUT DON'T KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF, AND WE'LL HAVE TO MEET THOSE AS THEY ARRIVE. KEEPING IT FLOWING.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS ME IS, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITIZEN TURNS THAT TAP ON AND EXPECTS WATER TO COME OUT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED 99.9% OF THE TIME THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO GO TO A PUMP WITH A PAIL.

THEY'VE NEVER HAD A WELL RUN DRY, AND THEY HAVE BECOME SO ACCUSTOMED TO YOU DOING THE GREAT JOB THAT YOU DO, THAT ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

SO IT'S A IT'S AN INFLEXIBLE ENVIRONMENT, BUT KEEPING IT FLOWING OBVIOUSLY IS KEY.

UM, EXCUSE ME. PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY OF WATER FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.

NOW, WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST MONTH, BUT I WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE IN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO BUSINESSES OR COMPARES TO BUSINESSES.

IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS IN A COMMUNITY FLAGSTAFF AND NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT YOUR WATER QUALITY, YOU HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF SUCCESS.

AS THE BUSINESSES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN, NOW, THINGS ARE KNOWN AS COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING WITH WATER QUALITY, HAVING BUSINESSES DOING SO. BUSINESSES HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS, NOT JUST FROM A RATE STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A VIABILITY STANDPOINT.

AND LASTLY, WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE AND NEED FOR STRONG RECLAMATION PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE INVESTED IN, AS WELL AS INVESTING IN ITEMS THAT RESULT IN IMPROVED EFFICIENCY. I WANT TO SAY YOUR STAFF HAS ALREADY YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T NEW PROJECTS.

IT'S ONGOING. EFFICIENCY IS BUILT INTO THE WAY YOUR UTILITY OPERATES, AND THAT'S CONTINUING TO BE A FOCUS.

NEXT, TO ENSURE A BROAD REACH ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, WE PLAN TO ENGAGE IN A VARIETY OF PLATFORMS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THIS STUDY TO ENGAGE, INFORM AND RECEIVE INPUT.

THESE PLATFORMS INCLUDE.

NUMBER ONE VIRTUAL INFORMATION MEETINGS.

WE HAVE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.

FLAGSTAFF IS AT THE 100% BROADBAND SATURATION FOR 25 MEGABITS OR HIGHER.

THIS MEANS VIRTUAL MEETINGS CAN BE A VERY EFFECTIVE PLATFORM TO REACH ACROSS ALL AVENUES WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, DURING THE THE STUDY, IN THESE VIRTUAL INFORMATION MEETINGS, WE ARE PLANNING ONE IN NOVEMBER.

WE'LL GO OVER THE SCHEDULE IN JUST A MOMENT WHERE YOUR STAFF AND OUR TEAM WILL PRESENT INFORMATION REGARDING THE STUDY, ITS GOALS, POTENTIAL OUTCOMES AND CHALLENGES THE BODY FACES, AND ADDRESSING FACTORS SUCH AS INCREASE IN MATERIAL COST AND OPERATIONS.

AGAIN, WE START BUILDING THE CASE FOR WHY.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT AND WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE IN THIS? THE INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED.

QUESTIONS MAY BE POSED BY ATTENDEES IN REAL TIME BECAUSE THE SATURATION RATE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT IN-PERSON MEETINGS WILL ALSO OCCUR AS WELL, INCLUDING PRESENTATION STYLE AND DROP IN MEETINGS.

THESE WILL FOCUS BASICALLY ON GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WHERE VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION MAY BE A CHALLENGE.

WILL ALSO USE EXISTING EVENTS AND ORGANIZATIONAL MEETINGS TO SPREAD THE WORD AS WELL.

WE'LL SHARE A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THAT.

WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING TO BRING ON BOARD A VENDOR TO PROVIDE TWO UNIQUE FEATURES.

THE FIRST WILL ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR VIRTUAL MEETINGS OR ONLINE PRESENCE TO ACTUALLY DIAL IN AND PARTICIPATE BY TELEPHONE, INCLUDING ASKING QUESTIONS.

SO IF YOU'RE IN A PLACE WHERE MAYBE YOU LACK THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OR LAPTOP TO GET ONLINE, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE WI-FI SERVICE AVAILABLE OR YOU DON'T HAVE A WI-FI ROUTER, YOU CAN SIMPLY USE A DIAL UP PHONE DIAL IN, LISTEN TO THE PARTICIPATION, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE VENDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS UPLOADED INTO THE MEETING AS WELL.

SO THAT'S ONE THING. THE SECOND ONE IS WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY DO KNOW IN PAST STUDIES, AS A ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU ALWAYS GET THIS RIGHT.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.

NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT THIS.

RIGHT. AND YOU DO EVERYTHING.

YOU CAN CHECK ALL THE BOXES.

YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC MEETINGS.

YOU'LL SEE AN EXTREMELY ROBUST SCHEDULE HERE COMING UP, ONE OF THE VENDOR THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY SEND OUT TEXT MESSAGES TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. EVERYONE WITH A CELL PHONE THAT IS REGISTERED IN A LARGER DATABASE WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE RATE STUDY THEY CAN SEND.

SIMPLY SEND STOP AND THEY DON'T GET ANY MORE NOTICES, NO PROBLEM.

BUT THERE'D BE NO EXCUSE SINCE YOU LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT HAVE A CELL PHONE IN THEIR HAND, IT'S ABOUT AS CLOSE TO 100% AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET.

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SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE STUDY, AND THEN THEY CAN CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE WITH THOSE TEXT MESSAGES AT A DEGREE THAT WORK FOR THEM.

BUT THOSE ARE THE DYING PROCESS.

LASTLY, ENGLISH ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, SPEAKERS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT.

PRACTICAL AND COLLATERAL MATERIALS SOMETIMES MAY HAVE TO TAKE LIVE MEETINGS AND HAVE THEM SOMEWHAT TRANSCRIPTED LATER.

THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN THAT, BUT WE'LL WORK CAREFULLY TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS AS WELL.

A KEY FEATURE OF THIS OUTREACH PROGRAM IS THE CREATING AND UPDATING OF PROJECT WEBSITE.

AS OF TODAY, W-W-W DOT CLEAN WATER FLAGSTAFF.COM IS LIVE AND OPERATIONAL.

THIS IS NOT OUR WEBSITE.

THIS IS YOUR WEBSITE.

WE'VE CREATED IT FOR YOU.

YOU OWN THE DOMAIN NAME AND YOU WILL BE HANDED THE KEYS TO THE WEBSITE AT ANY POINT THAT YOU ASK FOR.

WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU.

THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO USE THIS WEBSITE TO CREATE A CENTRAL INFORMATION PORTAL FOR ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS STUDY CAN GO.

THEY CAN FIND OUT WHEN ARE THE NEXT MEETINGS OKAY.

THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.

THEY CAN LOOK AT RESOURCES IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THE WORK.

AND WE'LL CONTINUALLY UPDATE THIS THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE EVENT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER HERE IN FRONT OF ME.

IT IS SET UP THAT IF YOU HIT CONTROL AND CLICK ON THAT LINK, WE CAN GO LIVE TO IT NOW.

OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO JOT IT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT, SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE CONSTRAINED FOR TIME NOW, IT IS MOBILE PHONE READY AS WELL.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ON YOUR MOBILE PHONE, YOU'LL LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE COMPUTER, BUT WE'VE MADE SURE THAT IT SHOWS UP IN BOTH PLACES.

SO WE HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TOOL.

AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THIS.

AND THE MAIN REASON IS TO CONTACT US FEATURE.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DURING ANY PERIOD OF THE STUDY, YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND POSE THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DO IT FROM A MOBILE DEVICE.

YOU DO NOT NEED A COMPUTER TO DO IT.

ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE CATALOGED.

SO WE HAVE A RECORD.

NUMBER TWO IS THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY ARE EMAILED TO AT LEAST TWO CITY OF FLAGSTAFF STAFF PEOPLE.

THOSE FOLKS HAVE NOT BEEN CHOSEN YET.

I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SURPRISE SOMEBODY HERE AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THE EMAILS, BUT NONETHELESS, WE FIND THIS TO BE A GREAT COMMUNICATION TOOL BECAUSE AS YOU'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CREATE SMALL INFORMATION CARDS.

YOU CAN HAND OUT, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE RATE STUDY HERE, GO TO THIS WEBSITE.

VERY EASY TO DO.

YOU CAN ALSO CREATE A QR CODE, PUT IT ON THOSE CARDS AND USE THEIR PHONE TO GO DIRECTLY TO IT.

SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS AND WANT TO THANK YOUR STAFF.

BY THE WAY, THE IMAGES YOU SEE HERE ACTUALLY ARE A COUPLE OF DAYS OLD.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND THE ONES ON THE SITE ARE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE AND MORE SPECIFIC TO FLAGSTAFF ADDITIONAL MATERIALS THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED DURING THE COURSE OF THIS FACT.

SHEETS AND INFORMATION HANDOUTS ARE GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, EACH OF THESE WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION BUT ALSO DRIVE PEOPLE TO THAT WEBSITE TO THE GREATEST DEGREE WE CAN TO IMPROVE THAT EDUCATION LEVEL.

PERIODICALLY, WE WILL SEE TARGETED PIECES SUCH AS DOOR HANGERS.

IF WE FIND THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT ISN'T QUITE PARTICIPATING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RANGE OF PARTICIPATION.

WE'RE SEEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY MAYBE GO OUT AND DO SOME DOOR HANGERS, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, PUT THE QR CODE ON THERE, OR GIVE THEM A PHONE NUMBER OR AN EMAIL TO REACH OUT TO, AND WE'LL HAVE A DEDICATED EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT IS BILL STUFFERS.

YOU GET ABOUT, I THINK HALF OF YOUR UTILITY BILLS GO OUT BY MAIL.

THE OTHER HALF ARE ONLINE.

BILL STUFFERS CAN BE ELECTRONIC AS WELL.

SO WHEN YOU GET YOUR YOUR BILL AND IT SHOWS UP ANY TIME VIA TEXT MESSAGE, NOW YOU CAN TAP A LINK IN THERE.

THEY CAN CLICK ON THE LINK AND THEY WOULD SEE THE BILL STUFF AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE COLLATERAL MATERIALS THAT WE'LL BE PRODUCING.

ALSO YOUR STAFF IS ALREADY CREATING SHORT INFORMATIONAL VIDEOS, NOT JUST ABOUT THE RATE STUDY, BUT ABOUT THE WORK OF THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

AND WE'LL BE POSTING THOSE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.

SO THE MEDIA PRINT NOTICES WILL BE CREATED THROUGHOUT THE DURATION.

AND AGAIN, I'M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE YOU CAN START A FOOD FIGHT ON SOCIAL MEDIA SO FAST AND YOU LOSE CONTROL OF STATUS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT FACEBOOK DOESN'T MEAN LET ME PUT ON FACEBOOK.

YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BASICALLY WANT IS WE WANT THE INFORMATIONAL INFORMATION OUT THERE.

WE TRY NOT TO START FOOD FIGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO UPCOMING EVENTS WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TASTE OF WHAT THE SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE.

STAKEHOLDER MAPPING STARTING IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, BUILDING OFF OF PAST UTILITY EVENTS, WE CREATED A STAKEHOLDER MAP.

YOUR STAFF DID THAT WORK AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH IT.

THAT IS AN ACTIVE LIVE DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE ADDED AND GROWN TO.

WHEN PEOPLE SEND US CONTACT INFORMATION, THEY GET ADDED TO THE STAKEHOLDER LIST SO THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, WE ARE PROACTIVE IN COMMUNICATING WITH THEM.

ALSO IN SEPTEMBER, FOR COMMUNITY RENTAL, TABLES WERE HELD.

THINK YOU ARE PART OF THE MARKET AND LISA AND SOME OTHERS.

AND AGAIN REACHING OUT TO SOME FOLKS ON THIS TO START SOFTLY GETTING THAT WORD OUT TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY BE ENGAGED OR INVOLVED.

SO THAT ALREADY HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER.

IT LOOKS LIKE LAUNCH HAPPENED EITHER THIS MORNING OR LAST NIGHT SINCE SINCE OUR DESIGNER SITS IN MIAMI AND LORD ONLY KNOWS WHEN THAT HAPPENED WAS WEIRD HOURS,

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BUT WEBSITE LAUNCH HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

THAT WEBSITE, BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT GIVES YOU ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES.

LET US KNOW. IT LITERALLY IS BRAND SPANKING NEW.

I HAVE NOT EVEN GONE THROUGH IT ON MYSELF.

SO, YOU KNOW, FIRST THING I DID, I SAW SOMETHING I THOUGHT MISSPELLED AND TURNS OUT IT'S JUST TRUNCATED.

BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THAT.

WE'LL BE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THAT.

THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT GET A LOT OF ATTENTION FOR ABOUT ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME TIME HERE TO CONTINUE TO ADDING AND UPGRADING THE SITE.

ALSO, INITIAL INFORMATION, MEANING WE'RE PROJECTING IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR TO HAVE THAT VIRTUAL MEETING.

WE CAN SLIDE AND SHIP THAT CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE HOLIDAYS, BUT TO HAVE THAT INITIAL INFORMATION MEETING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING, I'M SURE WE TIME THAT WITH GETTING SOME SENSE OF DIRECTION FROM YOU FOLKS, SO THAT WE KNOW IF THEY'RE CREATING MORE QUESTIONS THAN WE'RE PROVIDING AT LEAST ANSWERS AND DIRECTION STAFF IS GOING TO BE DOING HAVE A VERY BUSY NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ON THE RATE STUDY ROADSHOW.

THIS IS WHERE YOU TAKE THE MESSAGE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHERE YOU GO OUT AND YOU VISIT WITH EXISTING ORGANIZATIONS, MAYBE A SHORT VIDEO PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY Q&A.

THE WHOLE FOCUS HERE IS NOT TO HAVE A BIG WORKSHOP EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT, BUT TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE RATE STUDY AND DRIVE THE TRAFFIC BACK TO THE WEBSITE SO THEY CAN HAVE THOSE CURRENT AND UP TO DATE INFORMATION AT ALL TIMES.

WE'RE ALSO PLANNING MILESTONE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MAY.

THESE ARE KEY INTERSECTION POINTS THAT PRECEDE DECISIONS THIS BODY WILL MAKE.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE DECISION TO GO HAVE A MEETING AND GET PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT WHAT JUST HAPPENED.

WE WANT TO GET OUT TO THEM AND PREEMPT SOME OF THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, GETTING FOLKS TO LIKE SOMETHING IS HARDLY THE GOAL OF OUTREACH.

OUTREACH IS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE INFORMED, THEY'RE EDUCATED, AND AT LEAST WHEN THEY COME TO YOU WITH THEIR OPINIONS, THEY HAVE A BASE OF KNOWLEDGE.

THE MORE WE CAN DO THAT, THE MORE IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU HAVE AN INFORMED, EDUCATED CITIZENRY.

ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE DROP IN MEETINGS.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THESE.

TYPICALLY, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT'S CENTRAL TO YOUR SERVICE AREA, AS WELL AS NEAR COMMUNITIES THAT MAY BE AN UNDERSERVED POPULATION AND ENSURING THAT YOU'RE ALONG KEY TRANSIT LINES.

DROP IN MEETINGS ARE GREAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW UP AT A CERTAIN TIME TO HEAR A PRESENTATION.

YOU CAN POP IN. THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE STATIONS SET UP, STAFFED MAINLY BY, YOU KNOW, YOUR TECHNICAL LEADS, AND THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS IN A ONE ON ONE SCENARIO.

AND IT'S REALLY A NICE WAY TO SHARE INFORMATION.

POP UP MEETINGS. YOU HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS, FESTIVALS, THINGS THAT GO ON.

HAVING A SMALL INFORMATION TABLE AND HANDING OUT INFORMATION CARDS.

YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RATE STUDY GOING ON.

HAND THEM THE CARD, THE QR CODE AND THE WEBSITE.

THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS CAN BE EFFECTIVE AS WELL.

AND OF COURSE, EVERY MONTH THE WATER COMMISSION AND THIS COUNCIL WILL BE GETTING AN UPDATE FROM YOUR TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF OUR TEAM.

SO AS THIS PROCESS GOES FORWARD AND WHATNOT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE UPDATED ON A VERY, VERY REGULAR BASIS.

TIM, YOU'RE ON FIRE. WAY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS.

THERE'S A QUESTION. WE GOT A FEW MORE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I'M DONE. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS IS UP AND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I DID JUST LOOK AT THE WEBSITE.

IT LOOKS VERY NICE.

UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS, AND MAYBE I'M JUST CONFUSED.

YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE CAN GO ONLINE OR GO TO THESE MEETINGS TO KEEP UPDATED ON THE RATE STUDY.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE RATE STUDY IS AT LEAST THE SCENARIOS ARE DONE.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT ON THIS WEBSITE? ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OR JUST THE ONE.

YOU KNOW, NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE OR WHAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE RATE STUDY YET ON THE WEBSITE.

I DON'T THINK THE RATES THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH YOU TODAY ARE IN PROCESS AND THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

NOT UNTIL THERE IS SOME GENERAL DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE THIS MAY BE GOING AND WE CAN CAPTURE A RANGE, BUT I RECOMMEND WE PUT ANYTHING ON THE WEBSITE.

WEBSITES ARE LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA.

THEY'RE FOREVER RIGHT? ONCE IT GOES OUT THERE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOCK IN TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS PROBABLY AFTER THE VIRTUAL INFORMATION MEETING IN NOVEMBER, GIVING THE COUNCIL A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS TO CATCH YOUR BREATH GOING FORWARD.

ONCE WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO GO, WE WOULD THEN USE THE WEBSITE TO COMMUNICATE THAT.

BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU ON THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS.

RIGHT. OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU. THIS MAN.

AND I CAN TALK FASTER THAN ANYBODY CAN LISTEN.

SO IF I MISSED ANYTHING THERE, I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU BACK ON SCHEDULE HERE AS BEST I CAN.

YES, SIR. YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND I THINK AARON MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THIS IN THE CHAT, BUT ARE WE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY? JUST DIRECTION AS TO A POSSIBLE APPROACH HERE.

WE'VE SEEN THREE OPTIONS TODAY AND THERE'S BEEN SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

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I. SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING THESE SAME OPTIONS ON OCTOBER 23RD.

BUT IF YOU LIKE, THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS BY ANDY FOR HOW WE MIGHT MODIFY SOME OF THE SCENARIOS.

IF YOU COULD GIVE US FEEDBACK NOW ON WHETHER YOU LIKE ANY OF THOSE IDEAS OR IF YOU.

LIKE US TO BRING ANYTHING ELSE TO THE TABLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON BETWEEN NOW AND THE 19TH WITH THE WATER COMMISSION.

WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT THIS WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS.

AND THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID ON THE 23RD.

THANK YOU. IF I MAY, THIS IS INTENDED AS A COMMENT TO MAYBE SPARK SOME DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL.

IT SEEMS THAT THE FULL FUNDING OPTION WE WITNESSED TODAY ON AT LEAST SOME OF THE AREAS HAS A BIT OF A SHOCK FACTOR TO IT, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO CHAT ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE ADVANCING THAT OPTION, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE START PULLING THIS OUT INTO A PUBLIC FORUM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE INCREASES IN THE FULL FUNDING SCENARIO, IF THEY WERE TO FIND THEIR WAY TO A NEWSPAPER HEADLINE OR SOCIAL MEDIA, WILL BE.

I PROCEED WITH THE SAME REACTION.

WELL IN GENERAL EVERYWHERE THAT WE COULD GRADUATE THE RATE AND.

DELAY PROJECTS NOT TO THE POINT OF EMERGENCY, BUT EVEN IF THERE IS A YEAR THAT WE COULD WAIT SO THAT THE RATES COULD BE MORE GRADUATED.

I. I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT.

THE IMPLEMENT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE.

THE FULL FUNDING MODEL THAT WE'VE SEEN, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO GO AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. IT'S JUST IT IS.

IT IS. STICKER SHOCK AND THINK NEED MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT SCENARIOS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO. AND IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE WANT TO ADVANCE THOSE NUMBERS.

I MEAN, HOW ELSE COULD WE TALK ABOUT THEM? BUT I WOULD SUGGEST FROM A OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT, IT IS PREMATURE TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT IN THE PUBLIC SPACE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

YOU GRABS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

HE ADDS IT ALL TOGETHER, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A NARRATIVE OUT THERE THAT YOU CANNOT GET OUT.

SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATION STAFF.

I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE THEIR PLACE.

I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU SOME OF OUR EXPERIENCES WITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE US.

SO I THINK GIVING AN INTERNAL DIRECTION TO MAYBE BRING BACK WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY AND WHAT WOULD CONSIDER FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, COULD BE A MORE PALATABLE FASHION IS PROBABLY WHAT YOUR STAFF IS LOOKING FOR.

THEN YOU HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 15TH, AND THEN YOUR MEETING ON THE 23RD TO BRING EVEN GREATER FOCUS TO THOSE, BECAUSE WHATEVER IS DISCUSSED ON THE 23RD IS NOW.

IT IS NOW SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

SO I THINK THERE'S A PERIOD HERE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM AN OUTREACH STANDPOINT, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE TAKING THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TODAY AND DROPPING IT INTO THE WEBSITE.

I THINK IT'S PREMATURE.

I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEEN TODAY HAS GOT A BIG DRAFT STAMP ON IT.

A TON OF WORK HAS GONE INTO IT.

BUT YOU'RE AT STEP TWO OF SEVEN.

NOT. STEP SIX. YOU'RE NOT SETTING A RATE.

YOU'RE STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

THIS ISN'T A MARATHON. IT'S MORE LIKE A TEN K.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SPRINT.

SO YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME HERE.

WOULD WOULD WOULD WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE.

BUT DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON FINDING IT WITH WITH A PERIOD AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE.

AS IF I'VE STEPPED OUTSIDE OF THE.

THAT'S FINE. SO AT OUR MEETING WITH THE WATER COMMISSION.

WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL.

REGARDING COSTS, WE'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY, AND THEN WE'LL WE WON'T BE GETTING INTO ANY MORE COSTS ON HOW THESE MIGHT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY.

IS THAT. YES.

SO WILL WE BE GETTING MORE INTO THE PROJECTS AND THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE SPACED AND AND WHAT THINK JUST THE QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS WE'VE HEARD TODAY, WHAT WE COULD DO ON THE 23RD IS PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF PROJECTS IN THE THREE FUNDS AND HOW

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LONG THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR CIP.

THE NEED, THE URGENCY, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE REAL.

WE CAN'T IGNORE THESE PROJECTS.

AS GREG ARTICULATED VERY WELL, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IF WE DO, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING MORE AND MORE FAILURES AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX THEM RATHER THAN DO THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT AT THAT MEETING.

AND ALSO JUST IF WE WERE GOING TO DELAY ANY.

WHICH ONES COULD IT BE AND FOR HOW LONG BEFORE WE'RE INTO THE RED LINE AREA? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL TO FOLKS WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING WHAT IS THE NARRATIVE? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOT OF VERY TECHNICAL DATA AND PUT IT INTO PLAIN SPEAK AND THINK.

COUNCILWOMAN MATTHEWS, YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.

SO SOMETIMES ANALOGIES HELP LOOK AT YOUR WASTEWATER ISSUES.

AND IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHEN YOU BUY A NEW HOUSE.

BUY A HOUSE FOR A WHILE KIND OF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT.

AND THEN A FEW THINGS START HAPPENING.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING ALONG EVERY YEAR AND PUTTING MONEY OVER HERE FOR A NEW ROOF WHEN WE HAVEN'T SEEN AN INDICATION WE NEED TO IMPROVE.

THE PROBLEM WITH WASTEWATER IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMING TO A HEAD BASED ON FACILITY AGING AT THE SAME TIME, AND WE EXPERIENCED THAT AS HOMEOWNERS TOO, RIGHT? YOU NOTICE THE AC AND THE REFRIGERATOR SEEM TO GIVE OUT WITHIN A WEEK OF EACH OTHER, AND IT'S LIKE THEY'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? EVERYTHING SEEMS TO AGE AND NEED TO GET REPLACED ALTOGETHER.

SO THAT'S THEN YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU ADD IT INTO.

THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES, WHICH ARE UNREAL IN ANYTHING WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN OUR LIFETIME.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CARTER ERA.

WE STARTED SEEING THINGS EVEN COME CLOSE TO THIS.

THEN ADD ON TOP OF THAT THE MATERIAL COST INCREASE.

CITY OF FLAGSTAFF INCREASE.

YOU KNOW YOU DON'T MAKE PIPE.

YOU'RE AT THE TAIL END.

YOU'RE JUST LIKE THE RESIDENT WHO TAKES THE CAR TO THE MECHANIC AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, CATALYTIC CONVERTERS TWICE WHAT THEY USED TO BE.

YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A PERFECT STORM, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO WHAT I SEE IN BASEBALL.

SO WHEN I'M HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING IN HERE, SO SAID, I HAVE TREMENDOUS EMPATHY FOR THE POSITION YOU FIND YOURSELVES IN TODAY.

NONE OF THIS WAS OF YOUR CREATION.

IT WAS ALMOST THIS LITTLE PERFECT STORM GOING ON OUT THERE.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE BEST WEATHER IT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD, AS YOUR CITY MANAGER SAID, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO NOTHING.

ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF THINGS IN PARTICULAR AS I SEE IT.

BUT WHERE ELSE CAN YOU? AND I THINK IF YOU START LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE, THOSE THREE BODIES IN, IN UNISON, START TO SEE WHERE THE FOCUS CAN BE AND GIVE A BETTER DIRECTION. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT AS A WAY TO GO FORWARD GOING INTO THE 23RD.

AND AGAIN, I'M COLORING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF MY LINES HERE, SO ANDY OR AARON CAN SHUT ME OFF OR GRAB THE PHONE AND PULL ME OFF THE STAGE AT ANY MOMENT.

BUT I'VE SAT IN THIS ROLE BEFORE.

I DON'T ENVY YOU, BUT THE HARD DECISIONS ARE.

YEAH. YOU'VE GOT A TON OF INFORMATION ON THE RATES.

IS THIS THE TIME YOU WANT TO USE TO GIVE SOME INPUT AND FEEDBACK TO AARON ABOUT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE. UH, JUST SO THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE REALLY OPEN.

AND SO IF ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE TUNING IN, THEY THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS.

UH, AND SO IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.

SO WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AND RUN WITH IT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THAT SCENARIO THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

AND NOT THAT I'M EVER TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY ARE THE GOAL POST RIGHT THERE.

THE THIS IS THE BEST IT CAN BE FROM A RANGE STANDPOINT.

THIS IS THE WORST IT CAN BE.

YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU LAND ON THAT? YOU NEVER LAND ON ONE END OR THE OTHER.

YOU LAND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO SO YOU ARE CORRECT NOW THAT SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE AN ISSUE, BUT IT IS TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO REALLY SAY THIS IS WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.

BUT BUT WE NEED TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ENGAGED AND INFORMED AS THAT DIRECTION MOVES.

SO WE DO NEED TO TO GET OUR DIRECTION CLEAR.

SEE THAT COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS HAS A QUESTION.

UM, IF WE COULD AT THIS POINT STICK TO DIRECTION, THAT WOULD BE GOOD, I THINK.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN MATTHEWS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND, UM, IT MAY NOT BE DIRECTION, BUT I CAN'T REALLY GIVE MY INPUT WITHOUT.

I'M SORRY. I'M A SLOW STUDY THIS MORNING, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE ATTACHMENTS THAT LIST ALL THE PROJECTS, THERE IS A LITTLE LEGEND

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AT THE BOTTOM, LET'S SAY, OF PAGE ONE THAT SAYS POUND SIGN IS FULLY OR PARTIALLY FUNDED BY GROWTH.

ASTERISK IS PROJECTS DESIGNATED BY PARTIAL DEBT FUNDING, BUT DON'T SEE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO FULL OR PARTIAL PARTIALLY GRANT FUNDED, LIKE TAKING OUT WHAT IS PROJECTED TO BE NOT FUNDED.

AND SO IF I REMEMBER THE PRESENTATION WE JUST WENT THROUGH, ALL THE PROJECTIONS WERE TO COVER THE TOTAL NET COST.

OF THESE PROJECTS WITHOUT ANY ADJUSTMENT TO THE DEBT FUNDING OR THE GRANT FUNDING.

IN MY. AM I CORRECT IN THAT OR DID I MISS SOMETHING? SO THIS IS ANDY AGAIN WITH STANTEC.

AS YOU LOOK AT THOSE SHEETS, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE THE LIST ON THE FIRST PAGE IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS IN FULL, REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY'RE PAID FOR.

AND THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE, WE IDENTIFY OF THE PROJECTS ON THE FIRST PAGE HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY FUNDED WITH GRANTS.

SO ON THE FIRST PAGE FOR WATER, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL LIST OF PROJECTS.

IT ADDS UP TO JUST UNDER $208 MILLION.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE IN THE TABLE, THREE OF THAT $208 MILLION, ABOUT 26 MILLION IS FUNDED WITH GRANTS.

AND SO THE NET BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US ON THESE CHARTS ON.

PAYING FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUT OF A COMBINATION OF RATES AND CAPACITY, FEES, AND HOW WE PAY FOR IT OUT OF RATES IS EITHER DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, OR THE RATES HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE DEBT FINANCING NECESSARY TO BORROW THE MONEY TO COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS.

OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

AND JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ON WASTEWATER, WE DON'T HAVE GRANT FUNDING IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

IT'S. I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES ON OLD WASTEWATER PLANTS.

SO YOU HAVE TO TIE IT TO, YOU KNOW, REUSE PROJECTS.

THE ONLY THING THAT YOU MIGHT GET FUNDING FOR IS THE CATASTROPHE.

I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE GRANT FUNDING ON WASTEWATER RIGHT NOW.

NO, THIS IS THE HOT TOPIC.

SO YOU GUYS GET YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS OUT ON IT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE SURE THERE'S TIME FOR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.

OBJECTIVES COMES UP NEXT.

LAST COUPLE. THOUGHTS HERE.

I'LL JUMP IN. THANK YOU. I'VE HEARD THE MAYOR RAISED THE QUESTION AND JUST HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS MAKE REFERENCE TO IT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME ANALYSIS TO GET FINANCING ON SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS, AND I KNOW THAT PRESUPPOSES A RATE STRUCTURE THAT WILL SECURE THE DEBT FINANCING. BUT AND WE HEARD MR. TANNER SPEAK EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT REMAINS AN OPTION FOR THAT TIER TWO LEVEL FINANCING, THAT FINANCING. BUT THE CAPACITY WITHIN TIER TWO ON THE PROPERTY TAX PROPERTY SECONDARY.

YES. YEAH. I THINK MY ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 40 MILLION.

A ON TO KEEP THE SAME SEGMENT PRIVATE, TO KEEP THE SAME RATE.

AND ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS OR TIERS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE? SO WHEN IT COMES TO FINANCING, WHICH IS USUALLY A GREAT RESOURCE TO GO TO FOR LOW INTEREST RATES FOR THOSE CLIENTS, BUT IT ADDS COMPLEXITY TO YOUR PROJECT TOO.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF FINANCING.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET SOME FEDERAL SUPPORT WITH OUR LIAISONS AND SO FORTH, ALL BETTER.

BUT ONE THING I WOULD SAY, IN CLOSING, IF I COULD SYNTHESIZE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD, MAYBE IN THE WATER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WE MODIFY OR ADD ANOTHER FULL FUNDING OPTION THAT LOOKS AT A LEVEL PLAYING OF INCREASES VERSUS ONE THAT WAS FRONT LOADED, HEARD KIND OF A MORE EQUALIZED APPROACH IS DESIRABLE.

SO WE COULD PREPARE THAT FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM.

WE COULD SHOW THAT SCENARIO THAT I MENTIONED OF KIND OF A PHASED FUNDING OF THE FULL CAPITAL NEEDS AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, AND THEN THAT COULD FEED INTO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE RISK AND POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT SCENARIO.

BUT WE COULD PREPARE IT AND HAVE IT AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE.

AND THEN MAYBE ON RECLAIMED WATER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE LEVEL, PLAYING FOR WATER, BUT KEEPING THE 35% POLICY, HOW MUCH CAPITAL COULD THAT SECURE AND WHAT WOULD BE

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THE RATE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT OPTION FOR RECLAIMED? RECOGNIZING THAT THE FULL FUNDING OPTION, WE MAY HAVE TO, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, LOOK TO SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO COVER SOME OF THE OTHER RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT COSTS.

IF THOSE PROJECTS ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO I FEEL LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THOSE SUBTLE MODIFICATIONS MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO ADVANCE THAT CONVERSATION.

OH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, THIS MUST BE PAID BACK WITH PROPERTY TAX.

OR WOULD THEY BE BONDS THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK WITH LARGE FEES? OR BOTH. SIMILAR TO THE BOND THAT THE TWO PROPOSITIONS THAT WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR.

THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN TAX TO PAY FOR THOSE THAT WAS EXISTING CAPACITY WITHIN THEIR PROPERTIES.

I'M SORRY. YES.

OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

NOW, IT MAY BE FOR SOME MEGA PROJECTS LIKE RED RANCH WHO MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT FOR THE KIND OF PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH ARE GRADUAL INCREASES MAINTENANCE, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY PROPERTY TAX.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PAID FOR WITH BUYER FEES.

I MEAN, WELL, AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS.

WE'RE NOT SURE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT DETAIL.

CAN WAIT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ERIN, SHANNON AND TIM AND ANDY.

LOTS OF COMMENTS ON RAISING.

SOUNDS LIKE MORE DISCUSSION.

LOTS MORE. LOTS MORE.

MARY DAGGETT SAYS EXCELLENT.

LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

IT'S 1045 UP ON THE SCREEN.

WE'LL REGROUP AT 11 AND COME BACK ON BOARD FOR PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING OBJECTIVES.

CHRIS RODY AND JACKIE MITCHELL.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET MOVING EVERYBODY.

IT'S. MEANS.

OKAY, WELL, THAT WAS A CALL TO ORDER FROM GREG.

THANK YOU. YEAH. SO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT STILL BE DRIFTING AND GETTING THE SNACKS.

NEXT UP, WE'RE GETTING TO PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING OBJECTIVES.

UPDATE THAT RICK AND CHRIS AND JACK FIELDS TO THIS.

MORNING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT AND START THE CONVERSATION.

AND CHRIS AND JACK WILL HELP WITH THE OBJECTIVES.

UPDATE. UM, JUST WANT TO RECAP.

BACK IN JUNE, WE HAD A RETREAT WITH COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES.

OBJECTIVES. WE DID DECIDE TO KEEP THE PRIORITIES THE SAME THE SEVEN PILLARS PILLARS OF PRIORITIES, BUT WE FOCUSED ON THE OBJECTIVES AT THAT RETREAT.

YOU PROVIDED US VALUABLE FEEDBACK DURING THAT MEETING AND WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION.

WE REVISED THE OBJECTIVES JUST SLIGHTLY WITH YOUR DIRECTION AND COMMENTS.

AND THEN WE TOOK THE PUBLIC APPROACH AND STARTED GOING OUT THE PUBLIC TO GET PARTICIPATION.

THAT'S REALLY WHEN THE TIRES HIT THE ROAD.

AND OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM REALLY TOOK ON THE TASK OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE TEAM.

I'M ONE OF FIVE BOOKS THAT KIND OF MANAGE THE PROGRAM AND DID THE OUTREACH.

WE HAVE CHRIS BRODY WITH US.

JACK FITCHETT AND ALSO WE HAVE HEIDI TERRYBERRY IN THE BACK THERE AND GLORY'S THOUSAND.

UM, WE'RE THE ONES THAT KIND OF DID ALL THE PARTICIPATION TO THE OUTREACH AND DID A LOT OF WORK OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS SINCE YOU SAW US ON THIS.

SO THANKS FOR THEIR HARD WORK DURING THIS PROCESS.

A BUSINESS.

IT'S GOING.

SO OUR OUTREACH THIS SUMMER, OUR OBJECTIVES WERE TO CRAFT OUR OBJECTIVES TO REFLECT CURRENT NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR CURRENT OBJECTIVES WERE UPDATED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.

CORRECT AFTER WE DID SOME OUTREACH THEN.

SO IT'S TIME TO REFRESH THOSE.

I'LL TALK ABOUT CURRENT COMMUNITIES AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES.

OUR OUTREACH TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY THE BEST WE CAN IN MANY COMPREHENSIVE SERIES OF OUTREACH THAT WE DID OVER THE SUMMER TO HELP BUILD

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THOSE OBJECTIVES INTO OUR PRIORITIES.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO.

ALL RIGHT. THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE WE BASICALLY DID ONLINE SURVEY THAT WAS OPEN FROM THE TIME SHORTLY AFTER OUR CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL IN JUNE, EARLY JULY.

UM, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO ELECTRONICALLY GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAD DEDICATED EVENTS WHERE WE HAD OPEN HOUSES WE SAVED TO LISTED HERE, BUT WE ALSO PARTNERED WITH ANOTHER ONE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE COMING SLIDE.

AND WE'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SEVERAL TIMES.

WE HAD OVER SEVEN MEETINGS WHERE MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM WERE OUT IN THE PUBLIC WITH THE BIG BOARDS AND TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT OUR OBJECTIVES AND THEIR THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

BECAUSE. ALL RIGHT.

THE ONLINE SURVEY, IT RAN FROM 226 TO AUGUST 4TH.

WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS, BUT IT WAS REALLY OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS EACH OBJECTIVE.

SHOULD WE KEEP THE OBJECTIVE? YOU WANT TO DELETE THE OBJECTIVE, OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT OR MODIFY IN SOME FASHION AND ALSO PROVIDE US COMMENTS ON EACH OBJECTIVE.

THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE WHICH ONES THEY DID.

THEY COULD HAVE DONE ALL OF THEM, BUT JUST A FEW OF THEM.

BUT IT WAS AT THEIR OWN PACE THAT THEY COULD PUT THE SURVEY IN ON THEIR BEHALF OF WHAT THEY THINK OUR OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE.

OVERALL, WE'VE RECEIVED 77 SUBMISSIONS AND MOST PROVIDED COMMENTS ON MANY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVES.

THEY REALLY DID HIT MULTIPLE ONES INSTEAD OF JUST FOCUSING ON ONE AREA.

DURING THOSE SURVEYS.

OUR OPEN HOUSES.

WE DID THREE.

WE DID A TEAM EFFORT WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE SARAH DECKER TEAM.

THAT WAS A GREAT PARTICIPATION IN THAT ONE.

COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE ALREADY ENGAGED IN COMING TO THE MEETING, SO WE TAGGED ALONG ON THAT ONE AND HAD SOME GOOD RESPONSES.

WE ALSO MET HERE AT THE AQUAPLEX AS WELL AS THE MURDOCH CENTER OVER THE MONTH OF JULY.

OVERALL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION, BUT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS.

IT WAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ONE ON ONE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHICH WAS REALLY VALUABLE, AND THEY PROVIDED MULTIPLE COMMENTS.

SO WE HAD 66 FROM JUST THESE THREE MEETINGS.

BUT THERE WAS VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC.

OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY.

HERE YOU SEE A LIST OF THE EVENTS THAT WE DID.

THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE A LOT OF PUBLIC SHOWS UP THOSE WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT WE DO, AND WE GET TO LISTEN TO MUSIC WHILE WE'RE THERE, WHICH IS GREAT. UH, SO WE DID THREE OF THOSE MOBILE HAVEN, JIM COLE MEMORIAL PARK, AND BUSHMASTER PARK.

UM, LOT OF TRAFFIC WAS THE KIDS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM IN THAT.

BUT WE ALSO DREW IN SOME PARENTS WITH THEIR KIDS AND HAD SOME, SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND TALKED ABOUT OBJECTIVES AT THOSE EVENTS.

AND THEN WE DID SOME PASSIVE TABLING, JUST SETTING UP A CERTAIN AREAS IN THE COMMUNITY, TRYING TO GET THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

OVERALL, WE HAD 74 COMMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD AND AND PUT ON OUR BOARDS FOR US TO CONSIDER.

EVERYTHING. HERE'S A HERE'S MOBILE HAVEN PARK, OUR FIRST OUTREACH AND DEFINITELY HAS SOME KIDS THERE TO PARTICIPATE.

THE CANDY HELPS.

UM, BUT IT WAS A GOOD EVENT, A GREAT DAY, A GOOD SUNNY DAY.

UM, BUT IT WAS JUST THE KICKOFF AND JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC.

AND SO SEE, NOW IT'S NOT.

SORITY. SO OUR OUTREACH DID HIT THE ADULTS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE TEENS UTILIZING THESE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAD THROUGH THE OUTREACH, THE SURVEYS AND THAT AND SO FORTH.

BUT THE YOUTH WERE GREATLY ENGAGED WITH THE COUNSELORS IN PARK.

UM, PROVIDING US THEIR FEEDBACKS AS REALLY YOUNG ONES, WHAT THEY SEE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

UM, WE ENGAGE THEM BY ASKING THEM CERTAIN QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE? UH, WHAT LAW WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE FOR THE CITY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUILD IN THE COMMUNITY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WERE A MAYOR OR SO FORTH? UH, SO IT REALLY GOT THEM THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY SEE OUR CITY AND WHAT AMENITIES, WHAT THINGS THEY LIKE IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

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SOME OF THEM DREW PICTURES OF THINGS THEY WANTED WATERDROPS OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

UM, IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THE KIDS INVOLVED.

UM, AND THEN WE HELP THEM SAY, OKAY, THIS IS THESE OBJECTIVES.

THIS IS HOW WE ADDRESS THESE OBJECTIVES THAT THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AS YOUTH.

SO GOOD ENGAGEMENT THERE.

I'VE GOT TO TRY. AND THEN JUST SOME SOME COMMENTS ON SOME OF THE NOTABLE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE DID RECEIVE ON SOME OF THESE PRIORITIES WE HAD IN THE OBJECTIVES UNDER A HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNANCE.

IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT BEING EFFECTIVE, BUT ALSO BEING TIMELY NOTIFICATIONS.

TIMELY OUT IN THE PUBLIC WAS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.

UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY APPRECIATE NOTIFICATION OF UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THEY DID APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AS A GOVERNMENT, UH, SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY.

UM, HELP PEOPLE.

HOMELESSNESS WAS SOMETHING WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT WORD.

I THINK WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH OUR OBJECTIVE.

BUT THE WORD WASN'T THERE, WHICH WAS INTERESTING TO SEE.

UH, INCLUSIVE, ENGAGED COMMUNITY.

THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON DEFINITIONS.

WHAT DO WE MEAN BY CERTAIN TOPICS? UH, NEED MORE DEFINITION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK EQUITY OR SO FORTH.

SO WE WE TOOK THAT TO HEART.

AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE BUILT IN DEFINITIONS TO OUR OBJECTIVES, WHICH WILL HELP EDUCATE AND EXPLAIN THINGS A ROBUST, RESILIENT ECONOMY SUPPORTING ROBUST, SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY.

BUT WHY WOULD THIS NEED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WE THINK A GOOD ECONOMY IS PROTECTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE DO HAVE THAT OBJECTIVE WITHIN THAT PRIORITY.

UM, BUT.

CAN'T JUST TRUST THE MARKET TO DELIVER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BEING A PARTNER IN THOSE THINGS.

WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS? OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.

WE HAD AN OBJECTIVE, SAYS.

HAVE THE DEVELOPERS DO THIS.

DEVELOPERS AND SO FORTH.

AND REALLY THESE OBJECTIVES ABOUT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO.

SO WHEN WE SAW THAT COMMENT AND IT'S NOT ABOUT US TELLING DEVELOPERS TO DO, IT'S HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH THEM.

HOW ARE WE AS A CITY DRIVE THESE OBJECTIVES AND ADVANCE OUR COMMUNITY THE WAY THE COMMUNITY SEES FIT? SO THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE JUST KIND OF PULLED OUT FROM THOSE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST MONTH, MONTH OR TWO.

SO. FROM THAT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED.

I DID PUT A COPY OF OUR PRIORITIES, AS WELL AS THE RED LINES THAT WILL HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN, BECAUSE I KNOW IT KIND OF GETS KIND OF SMALL.

AND MAYBE IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE NOTES OR SO FORTH, I'D BE USEFUL FOR YOU TO HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO YOU DO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU, AND I WILL PASS IT ON TO CHRIS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON OUTREACH? THE TAX RATE ON WORKING HERE.

CAN YOU THINK CAN.

IT'S JUST AWESOME.

UM, YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL.

SO ON THAT LAST SLIDE, WE SHOWED SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WE GOT, WE GOT MANY MORE COMMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, JUST A FEW THAT REALLY WE TOOK TO HEART AND IMPACTED OUR THINKING AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND.

SO THOSE ARE ONES THAT EITHER SET OFF A LINE THAT WE THOUGHT, OH, WE SHOULD REALLY FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. OR THAT JUST DROVE OUR CONVERSATION IS THE CASE OF THAT THAT COMMENT THAT WAS HELP THE HOMELESS.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A KID GAVE US THAT WOULD BE ASKED, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND THEY SAID, WE HELP THE HOMELESS.

WE WROTE IT DOWN AND WE LOOKED THROUGH IT AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE HOMELESS AS A WORD ANYWHERE IN OUR PERPETRATOR OBJECTIVES, SHOULD WE? SO THAT STARTED A WHOLE CONVERSATION OF HOW THOSE KINDS OF TERMS FIT IN WITH WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES DID.

WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T END UP RECOMMENDING ADDING IT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WE INCORPORATE IT IN OTHER WAYS.

BUT IT REALLY DROVE OUR CONVERSATION IN VERY POWERFUL WAYS AND WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND HIGHLIGHT THAT.

IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS, I THINK 6 OR 7 YEARS OLD, BUT IT WAS A NICE KIND OF THING TO GET NOW, RICK, TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WENT OUT AND GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND THERE'S A SECOND PROCESS KIND OF HAPPENED BETWEEN THEN AND NOW WHERE WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION, TRIED TO MANIPULATE IT A LITTLE BIT, AND IT.

INPUTS, BUT NOT A GREAT WORD TO USE ACTUALLY, BUT TO ORGANIZE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL LARGER SPREADSHEETS WHICH WHICH I PROVIDED TO YOU ALL IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THOSE AS WELL.

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FOR THE SURVEY, WE HAD REALLY GOOD DATA ON WHETHER PEOPLE VIEWED A CERTAIN OBJECTIVE POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY BECAUSE THEY CHECKED A BOX.

SHOULD IT REMAIN AS IT IS, SHOULD IT BE CHANGED, OR SHOULD IT BE REMOVED ENTIRELY? SO WE COULD SEE WHICH ONES, YOU KNOW, 80% HAD APPROVAL.

WHICH ONES? 50% HAD APPROVAL.

WE COULD SEE THAT DIFFERENCE.

WHEREAS THE ONES WITH THE BOARDS THE THE SAME, SAME ACTIVITY YOU ALL DID BACK IN JUNE WITH THE BIG STICKY NOTES ON THE BOARDS.

BUT IT'S HARDER WHEN YOU TELL SOMEBODY WHAT MATTERS TO YOU, AND THEY PUT IT ON THE BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT? SO WE WE HAD TO TAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT SO WE'VE DONE ALL THAT.

WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GAVE US, FIGURED OUT WHAT THAT MEANT FOR OUR OBJECTIVES, TRIED TO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK WILL SPEAK TO THE WORK, THAT ARE THE PRIORITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS, PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN, THE GOALS THAT ARE AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB PUTTING THOSE INTO WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR SUGGESTED CHANGES.

THE OBJECTIVES ARE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO ON THIS SLIDE, JUST A FEW OF THE BIGGER.

THIS LITTLE BIGGER CHANGES.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE TO SOME OF THESE FROM THE DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT COVERS THE FULL BREADTH OF EVERYTHING.

BASED ON THAT COMMENT, WE WANTED TO ADD TIMELINESS TO OUR COMMUNICATION GOALS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD IN THERE EXPLICITLY BEFORE AND WITH SOME OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

WE ADDED A MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT TO SOME OF OUR HEALTH RELATED OBJECTIVES THAT WAS LACKING IN CERTAIN WAYS.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYMENT GOALS, THIS ONE ACTUALLY CAME FROM YOU ALL AS WELL, BACK IN JUNE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT RETAINING EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST GETTING NEW ONES.

WE ADDED A MORE EXPLICIT MENTION OF MAINTENANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF JUST DELIVERING NEW PROJECTS.

MAKING SURE THAT OLDER ONES CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE USABLE.

WE ADDED A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT COMPONENT SEPARATE FROM OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THINGS, SO WE ADDRESSED THEM DIFFERENTLY. THEN, HONESTLY, I THINK ONE OF THE BETTER THINGS WE'VE DONE HERE THAT I'M PROUD OF THE WORK ON IS THAT WE ADDED A DEFINITION SECTION.

THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FEEDBACK THAT, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS TERM MEANS.

WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SO FOR SOME OF THOSE TERMS THAT ARE VAGUE OR ARE JUST INDUSTRY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULDN'T REALLY BE EXPECTED TO KNOW, WE ADDED A DEFINITION SECTION THAT MAY BE A GOOD SUPPLEMENT TO THIS DOCUMENT.

SO IF SOMEONE SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT IT AND SAYS, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? SEEING TRYING TO JUST PUT SOMETHING HERE THAT'S MEANINGLESS SO THEY CAN CONSIDER WHAT THEY WANT.

SO WE EXPLAINED WHAT WE NEEDED MORE EXPLICIT TERMS TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE APPROACHABLE.

AND THEN FINALLY WE UPDATED THE REFERENCES TO LONG RANGE PLANNING DOCUMENTS.

THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN WITHIN YOUR HOUSING PLAN TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UPDATED FOR ANY CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2020, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY, THEIR NAMES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE WHEN THIS DOCUMENT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED IN 2020.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CHANGES WE MADE HERE.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE GLARE ON THIS VERY WELL.

THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

THANK YOU. SO WE'LL JUST GO WITH THE ORDER OF THE OR THE PARTIES.

LOOK AT THAT. WE'LL GO AROUND IN A CIRCLE ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

THE FIRST ONE BEING OUR HYDROPHOBIC ONE THERE.

THIS IS THE ONLY PROGRAM THAT DOES NOT, OR THE ONLY PART THAT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUTWARD FACING.

SO THIS IS HOW THE HOW THE CITY ORGANIZATION MAINTAINS ITSELF, NOT HOW WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

NO CHANGE RECOMMENDED TO THE FIRST ONE WE THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS WAS WAS BROAD, BUT SPECIFIC ENOUGH THAT IT WORKED PRETTY WELL ON THIS.

THE SECOND ITEM, WE CHANGED THE WORDING AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT FLOWED VERY NICELY.

AND THEN WE ADDED INSTEAD OF CLEAR, CONSISTENT, CLEAR, CONSISTENT AND TIMELY.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE THOUGHT THAT WAS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT WAS THE IMPACTS ARE AMAZING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH EMERGENCIES, FLOODS, FIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE REALLY LEARNED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NOT JUST TO PUT OUT PROPER INFORMATION, BUT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS TIMELY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT AS AN EXPLICIT.

EXPLICITLY STATED INJECTORS.

WE WERE ON THAT FOURTH ITEM.

THE THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS KIND OF WORDED A LITTLE FUNNY.

SO WE WE CHANGED NAMES TO MAINTAIN.

THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM A FEW FOLKS IN OUR SURVEY.

WE THOUGHT THAT WORKED PRETTY WELL.

AND THEN WE JUST TRIED TO INSTEAD OF CHANGING THROUGH EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MEAN A LOT, IT'S NOT RADICALLY IT DIDN'T WORK THAT WELL.

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SO WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THROUGH STRONG FINANCIAL POLICIES AND BEST PRACTICES, ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT IT HAS A LITTLE MORE FREELY.

OH. WE ADDED EFFICIENT TO THIS NEXT ITEM.

INSTEAD OF JUST.

A. IMPLEMENT AND COMMUNICATE INNOVATIVE AND EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THINGS THAT ARE NEW, BUT THINGS THAT WORK WELL.

AND THEN WE TOOK OUT WE THE MODEL FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.

NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT BECAUSE OUR GOAL SHOULDN'T BE FOR OTHERS TO RECOGNIZE THIS WHEN WE'RE DOING THEIR WORK.

OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO DO GOOD WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IT'S WORTHY OF RECOGNITION.

A. THIS LAST ITEM WAS ONE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN OUR RETREAT, ABOUT HOW TO USE THE WORD INCLUSIVE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, STILL TRYING TO GET EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THE BEST QUALITY EMPLOYEES.

SO THE WAY WE DECIDED TO GO ABOUT REWORDING THIS OR RECOMMEND REWORDING THIS AT LEAST TO BE AN INCLUSIVE EMPLOYER OF CHOICE, AND THEN REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO THE WAY WE RECRUIT JUST BY SAYING BY PROVIDING EMPLOYEES WITH NECESSARY TRAINING, SUPPORT COMPENSATION.

SO THAT WAY, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE WAY WE DO OUTREACH, HIRING EMPLOYEES IN, WE MAKE THIS A LITTLE BROADER.

SAY WE WANT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE AN EMPLOYER TO PROVIDE NECESSARY TOOLS, SUPPORT, COMPENSATION.

AND THAT SPEAKS TO OUR RECRUITMENT SIDE AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT JUST SAYING WE WANT TO RETAIN IT.

IT'S NOT SAYING WE WANT TO GO GET IT AND SAYING WE WANT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR US FOR THE BIG REWARD.

SO IT APPLIES MORE THAT WAY.

AND. I'LL NOTE HERE AFTER THIS FIRST SLIDE.

IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS RIGHT AWAY, THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT ORGANIZING THIS, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IF WE HAVE TWO HOURS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO REALLY ENGAGE IN THESE OBJECTIVES OR TALK ABOUT THEM, YOU CAN HAVE TIME TO DO IT.

I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT IS WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL AGAIN AFTER WE DO THE CHANGES.

FIRST IS THAT SEEMS LIKE A THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

OKAY. IT'S.

NOW THEY'RE SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE DID RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES TO THE FIRST TWO OF THESE OBJECTIVES.

WE THOUGHT THEY WERE. THEY WERE CONCISE, FAIRLY WELL WORDED.

THERE WERE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY EITHER ANY OF THESE THAT WE FELT NEEDED TO.

RESULT. ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES.

SO ON THIS THIRD ITEM, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE WE'VE UPDATED THINGS BASED ON CHANGES IN THE CITY.

THE CITY HAS NO RESPONSE MODEL NOW THAT DID NOT EXIST IN 2020.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE REFERENCES TO THE WAY THAT UNIT WORKS IN THE SCHOOL.

SO BUILD UPON THE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE MODEL.

WE ALSO HAVE OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE OPEN IN CASES, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.

AND THEN JUST TO BEST SERVE THE MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A HUGE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, BUT IT DOES REFERENCE SOME OF THE NEWER PRACTICES OF THE CITY AND WORKS WELL TO ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT ABOUT ABOUT MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

AND WE FELT THAT FOURTH OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT OBJECTIVE, HONESTLY, PROVIDING PUBLIC SAFETY WITH MORE STAFF FOR TRAINING, THAT THAT'S THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS BY THE CITY UNDER THAT OBJECTIVE IS REALLY IT WORKS PRETTY WELL THE WAY IT IS.

THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT CHANGING IT, SO WE FELT THAT.

BUT KEEPING THAT ONE AS IT IS FOR NOW AT LEAST.

UH, ON THIS FIFTH ONE, WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH, AND WE ACTUALLY CHANGED SOME OF THE THINGS MORE RECENTLY ON THIS ONE AS WE TALKED ABOUT SOME STUFF ON THIS.

SO GO TO THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL WELL-BEING THROUGH RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THIS IS PARKS AND TRAILS THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THEN WE CHANGED THE MULTIPLE THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION.

THIS AND THOSE ARE TWO TERMS THAT ARE IN OUR DEFINITION THERE SEPARATELY.

SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE WE FELT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION WORK.

THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP. BUT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION SPEAKS MORE TO SAFETY AND HEALTH THAN MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, WHICH COULD BE THINGS LIKE A BUS AS WELL.

THAT DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO MUCH OF A HEALTHY COMMUNITY IS MAYBE GET PEOPLE TO WALK OR RIDE THEIR BIKE.

UM, ON THIS LAST ITEM, WE WE REMOVED REFERENCE TO RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAND USE.

ONLY THREE THINGS DON'T REALLY GO TOGETHER THAT WELL.

SO WE CHANGED IT OUT TO BE AS WELL AS BEST BEST PRACTICES FOR MULTIFAMILY USES TO DECLARE THAT WAY, WHICH NOT REALLY A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THERE.

SO INCLUSIVE. ENGAGE COMMUNITY.

UM. ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS IN THIS SLIDE, WE PROBABLY SPEND MORE TIME DISCUSSING THIS SLIDE THAN ANY OTHER ONE, AND I EXPECT MAYBE WE'LL DO SOME MORE OF THAT HERE.

ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE CHANGE IS TO INCREASE, TO ENHANCE.

AND THEN WE REMOVED AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT KEVIN SAYS OVER HERE.

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IT'S BECAUSE THAT REALLY LIES IN ALL OF OUR OBJECTIVES.

WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS FOR COMPLIANCE AND COMMONALITY IN ONE PLACE WITHOUT ANYWHERE ELSE SEEMS SEEMS UNNECESSARY, AND SEEMS AS IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT ELSEWHERE. SO WE STILL WANT TO DO IT.

WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL A NEED TO LIST THAT OUT EXPLICITLY IN ONE OBJECTIVE OVER THE OTHER ONES.

UM, ON THIS THIRD OBJECTIVE.

THIS IS THE SINGLE OBJECTIVE THAT WE SPENT THE MOST TIME DISCUSSING.

WE SHIPPED A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF COMMENTS ON THIS FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND A LOT OF IT CAME BACK TO OUR USE OF THIS, THIS TERM ANTI-RACIST.

SO WE WE GOT TOGETHER, WE WE HEARD FROM THE CITY'S EQUITY ADVISORY GROUP ON LANGUAGE ON THIS ONE.

WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, THIS ONE.

THERE WERE FOLKS THAT SAID CITY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS AT ALL.

THERE'S FOLKS THAT SAID, WHY ARE YOU ONLY CALLING OUT RACE? THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

SO WE. IF WE UNDERSTOOD THE LANGUAGE, THE PROBABILITY IS VERY DELIVERABLE.

LET'S PUT IT PUT IT HERE.

BUT AFTER DISCUSSION, WE WE LOOKED AT AND SETTLED ON TRAUMA INFORMS BECAUSE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER THINGS THE CITY IS DOING AND OTHER THE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE. AND IT'S INCLUSIVE OF THOSE TYPES OF ANTI-RACIST POLICIES, BUT IT'S ALSO INCLUSIVE OF A BROAD, BROAD SET OF OTHER AREAS.

IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT TRAUMA CAN COME FROM MANY THINGS, INCLUDING RACE, INCLUDE FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF DISCRIMINATION OR OPPRESSION.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BROADER.

WE FEEL IT STILL ENCOMPASSES WHAT IT WAS WAS LOOKING FOR THERE.

AND AND IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THOSE DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT LATER ON.

BUT THAT'S JUST AN EXPLANATION OF HOW AND WHY WE GOT TO THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE.

UH, ON THIS FOURTH OBJECTIVE HERE, WE FELT THAT THIS ONE WAS WORDED TO SAY THAT WE WANTED TO GET THE COMMUNITY MORE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY, AND REALLY, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

WE CONTROL HOW MUCH THE CITY GETS INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE KIND OF FLIP THAT ONE AROUND.

SO IT'S THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT, NOT THE COMMUNITY'S INVOLVEMENT.

THAT'S THE PART THAT WE CAN CONTROL.

IF WE GO OUT AND GET THAT INVOLVEMENT, WE STILL GET THE INVOLVEMENT.

WE CAN'T JUST SIT AND SAY, HEY, WHY ARE YOU NOT CITY COUNCIL? WHY ARE YOU NOT ATTENDING COMMUNITY GROUPS? WE NEED TO BE GOING TO THEM. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE SWITCHED TO CITY COMMUNITY AROUND.

UH, TO PUT THE BURDEN ON US TO GO AND DO THAT, THAT KIND OF INVOLVEMENT.

UM. UH, THE CHANGE THAT WE HAD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO TALKING TO THE STAFF.

UH, WE REMOVED FAIR DISTRIBUTION OF EQUITABLE AND CHANGED IT TO ACCESS TO.

BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THAT WE THOUGHT MAKES A LITTLE BIT SHORTER AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.

AND I'LL NOTE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IS ONE OF THOSE TERMS WHERE WE HAVE TO FIND AT THE END, BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.

WELL, THOSE AREN'T RELATED.

ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CODES.

THEY'RE NOT. BUT WE JUST WANT TO FIND THAT TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.

RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE IS SUSTAINABLE INNOVATIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT DEALS WITH A LOT OF JUST KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON, AND THE CITY PROVIDING SERVICES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO ITS COMMUNITY, TO ITS COMMUNITY.

AND THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WE HAD ONE LESS OBJECTIVE EVERY OTHER PRIORITIES AND SIX OBJECTIVES.

THIS ONE HAS FIVE. SO THERE WAS LESS WORK TO DO ON IT AND IT WAS ONE THAT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS COMFORTABLE.

MY PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF GETTING WATER AND TRASH SERVICE.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DONE VISUALLY.

SO THESE WERE DRAFTED THE WAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SEEMED TO REQUIRE THAT.

THE 32 WE THOUGHT WERE PRETTY GOOD AT THIS ONE.

WE ADDED THE MAINTAIN ELEMENT ON THAT THIRD ONE.

WE JUST MOVED THAT RED STRIPE IS JUST MOVE IT ALL AND MAKE IT ALL DRAMATICALLY.

SO PROVIDE, MANAGE AND MAINTAIN.

WE DON'T WANT TO JUST PROVIDE MANAGE IT WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK TO MAKE SURE IT WAS STILL OPERATIONAL GOING FORWARD.

THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER MANAGE INCLUDED THAT, BUT WE DECIDED TO JUST ADD THE WORD MAINTAIN TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS JUST PROVIDING IT.

AND THEN WE ADDED ON THIS LAST ONE ENCOURAGING COVERAGE BECAUSE WE WANT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST LIMIT OURSELVES TO MAKING THE CITY BE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE IT. THAT'S THE WE HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT MAY BE WILLING TO HELP US WITH THIS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY. IT HAS TO BE THE WAY WE CAN LOOK FOR, FOR HELP.

SO WE DEVELOP, FACILITATE, DEVELOP.

THOSE ARE STILL THINGS WE CAN DO, BUT WE CAN ALSO ENCOURAGE IT FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY.

TIME, WHICH IS FUN. TO THE OTHER AND TAKES OVER.

IF WE HAD NO, WE HAD NO CHANGES ON THAT LAST BULLET POINT.

IT'S REALLY GOOD TIMING THERE. AND WE'LL MOVE ON NEXT TO I THINK IT'S ROBUST RESILIENT ECONOMY.

AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT JACK WAS SAYING.

SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION.

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IT WAS PERFECT TIMING. IT WAS AWESOME.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS JACK FISHER.

I'M THE BUSINESS TRAFFIC MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON PVB SINCE ITS INCEPTION FIVE YEARS AGO.

TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN, SO KEEPING WITH THE SAME KIND OF PROCESS THAT CHRIS JUST TOOK ME THROUGH, I WILL DO MY BEST TO TRY AND REACH THE DECK LAYER AS WELL.

BUT THESE AGAIN ARE JUST THESE CHANGES ARE REALLY AN EASY TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT THE TEAM THINKS.

BUT AGAIN THESE IS THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY THIS IS THE PERFORMANCE WE GOT BACK.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THESE CHANGES.

THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO THANK YOU SIR.

SO MUCH BETTER. SO YOU'LL YOU'LL NOTICE HERE AND THIS IS PROBABLY LOOKING A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT WE'RE STRIKING OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

THE ONLY REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IN OTHER PLACES.

YOU'LL SEE IT THROUGHOUT FURTHER PRIORITIES, AND IT IS POINTING TO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THIS OBJECTIVE LIST.

SO SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, BUT REALLY JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT FIRST OBJECTIVE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE HAVE AS WE KNOW, IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.

AND IT'S BEEN REFERENCED MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRIORITY AREAS.

WE DOWN SIMILAR TO WHAT CHRIS HAD JUST SAID, RELATED TO BUILDING AND ENHANCING RELATIONSHIPS WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT COMMUNITY AND PARTNERSHIP ORGANIZATIONS.

SAME THING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, WE AS A CITY CANNOT MAKE ANYONE PARTICIPATE AND WORK WITH US, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD AND THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GREATLY NEED RIGHT NOW AS WELL. SO THERE'S THAT CHANGE.

AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO THE LAST ONE AGAIN, YOU'LL RELATED TO MY FIRST POINT.

THIS IS RELATED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.

THERE WERE MANY COMMENTS RELATED OBVIOUSLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WE'LL GET TO MORE OF THOSE IN A SECOND.

BUT AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN.

SO WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING.

BUT THERE'S A SLIGHT DISTINCTION THERE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAY ATTAINABLE HOUSING WHEN I'M WORKING WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THERE.

SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST KEEP MOVING DOWN.

AWESOME LIVERPOOL COMMUNITY.

SO NOW THAT'S KIND OF CHANGES HERE.

BUT ON ON THAT THIRD OBJECTIVE, PROVIDE EQUITABLE AND INCLUSIVE EDUCATIONAL AND CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES.

SO AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS DOING.

WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SUPPORT OUR PARTNERS.

BUT THIS IS WORK THAT WE ALREADY DO.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO ENHANCE AND PROVIDE THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AGAIN, THAT THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN, AS WELL AS OTHER PROJECTS AND OPPORTUNITIES, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITH DEVELOPERS.

SO WE STRIKE THAT JUST ONE, ONE MENTION OF, AGAIN, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECT THAT JUST DISCUSSED SUPPORT, DIVERSE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND HIGH QUALITY JOBS. SO THE REASON THAT LIVING WAGE IS STRIPED IS BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HECK IS A LIVING WAGE? AND FLAGSTAFF, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK AND DON'T REALLY THINK THAT IT'S.

THIS GROUP'S JOB IS TRYING TO DETERMINE THAT FOR A HUGE VARIETY OF PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO INSTEAD IS BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LIVING WAGE.

AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE CAN DO THAT BY CREATING HIGH QUALITY EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT CHANGE.

AND THEN YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON THAT LAST OBJECTIVE AT THE BOTTOM PORTION IS STRIPED AS IT'S RELATED TO COMPATIBLE WITH COMMUNITY VALUES.

WELL GUESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OBJECTIVES AND QUANTIFYING COMMUNITY VALUES.

SO IT'S PRODUCTION. AND WE WENT ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

STACEY. THANK YOU. BANKING.

AWESOME. AND SO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

FAIRLY MINOR CHANGES HERE AS WELL.

WANTED YOU'LL SEE, JUST A KIND OF SLIGHT SYNTAX CHANGE THERE ON THE THIRD OBJECTIVE ON THE FOURTH ONE.

THIS IS KIND OF A REOCCURRING THEME THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY START TO NOTICE IS WE ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PARTNERSHIP AND ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S INVESTMENT IN THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT SUSTAINABLE THINGS THAT WE DO.

YOU KNOW, JENNY COULD TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT WE CAN'T FORCE ANYONE TO REALLY DO ANYTHING, BUT WE CAN.

WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER RESULTS BY ENCOURAGING AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS VERSUS JUST SAYING, GUESS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO NOW? SO I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'VE GONE ABOUT IT AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THAT OBJECTIVE.

AND THEN LASTLY.

WITH AWARENESS OF SOCIAL INEQUITIES THAT'S ALREADY CAPTURED VERY WELL WITHIN.

SO THAT'S JUST REDUNDANT AGAIN.

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SO THAT STACEY NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT CHRIS AND RICK HAD DISCUSSED.

CHRIS ACTUALLY DID A TON OF WORK ON THIS.

AND REALLY GOOD JOB SPEAKING WITH SOME OF OUR VARIOUS DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS, SPEAKING WITH STAFF, WITH WITHIN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALSO USING THESE TERMS AND MEAN FOR ALL OF US HERE TODAY.

WE LIKELY KNOW WHAT ALL THIS MEANS BECAUSE WE USE THIS TERMINOLOGY FREQUENTLY FOR THE PUBLIC, THOUGH THAT MAYBE DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE MEANS OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WHEN WE PUT THESE PRIORITIES AND OBJECTIVES OUT ON OUR WEBSITE.

OR THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE COMES TO LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO IT JUST MAKES CLEAR SENSE.

NOTHING REALLY CRAZY HERE.

AND THEN ONE MORE SLIDE, PLEASE.

STACEY. AND THEN JUST TO GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO READ THOSE, BUT THINK THAT YOU'LL FIND THAT THESE ARE REALLY THE MOST UP TO DATE DEFINITIONS OF THIS TYPE OF TERMINOLOGY.

AND IT'S AND THIS GOES BACK TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS IS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HECK IS SOCIAL EQUITY, RIGHT? TOTALLY FAIR COMMENT. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WORK IN THAT EVERY DAY, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO KNOW.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE MAYBE CAN WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS FROM.

SUSTAINED FROM ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

AND THEN OPEN THE DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT.

FEEDBACK COUNSEL HAS FOR US.

IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

I'M JUMPING REAL QUICK. YEAH.

SO WE WITH OUR TIMING OF THIS OUR WE'RE BUDGETED FOR TWO HOURS ON THIS ON THIS ITEM.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH ABOUT HALF AN HOUR OF IT.

SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE ABOUT 90 MINUTES TO DISCUSS ALL THESE IF YOU LIKE.

IF YOU WANT TO BE DONE EARLIER, THAT'S THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

IT'S ALSO LUNCH WOULD FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

SO WE COULD HANDLE THIS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE COULD TRY TO PUSH ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE EITHER OUR TIME IS EXHAUSTED, OR COUNCIL FEELS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN ALL THE FEEDBACK THEY WANT TO GIVE ON EACH OF THESE. AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAS BEEN HAD.

WE COULD SCHEDULE A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE AT SOME POINT AS WELL.

UM, ARE THERE THOUGHTS ON.

IF WE COULD DO IT NOW, WOULD YOU PREFER TO? SO THE TIMING OF THAT IS JUST A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD.

SO I WANTED TO. CAN I ASK SUCH QUESTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY. DOES STAFF DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THESE CHANGES? I'LL LOVE THAT.

AFTER WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE.

WE PRESENTED THESE BOTH TO THE BUDGET TEAM AND TO LEADERSHIP, AND GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON ALL OF THOSE.

AND SOME OF THE CHANGES WE MADE WERE AT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

SOME OF THE ONES ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND WHATNOT.

SO WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT AT THIS POINT THAT ALL OF THE STAFF HEARD OUR INITIAL INITIAL POINTS, HAD THEIR FEEDBACK HEARD, AND WE INCORPORATED A LOT OF THAT.

AND WHERE WE DIDN'T, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND CAME TO UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHY WE DID IT.

SO I WOULD SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT STAFF DOES BACK ALL OF THESE ISSUES AT THIS POINT.

SO ARE THERE ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? IN DEPTH. YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR SUGGESTIONS NOT TO GET INTO IT, BUT JUST DO YOU HAVE.

COMMENTS AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER? YES. YES.

DO YOU ALL THINK IT'S EXCELLENT? BUT DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTED EDITS.

OKAY. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT.

WE WE FELT THAT WE WERE DOING IT OURSELVES.

WE WE WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLES ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS.

THIS PROCESS BEGINS AND ENDS WITH THE COUNCIL.

WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN THEM AS WELL IF YOU WANTED TO.

BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT, MY APOLOGIES THROUGH RABBIT HOLES ARE NOT NECESSARY, BUT SUGGESTED EDITS ARE OF COURSE WELCOME. SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES DO WE BREAK FOR LUNCH NOW AND PICK UP THE DISCUSSION, OR DO WE DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH? IS THERE ANY FOOD HERE? YEAH, FOOD IS HERE.

IT IS READY. SO IT'S AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.

IT'S NOT HOT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO GET COLD.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST A FEW SUGGESTIONS AND SOME LIGHT CONVERSATION.

I'D LIKE TO JUST PUSH IT THROUGH THAT, AS OPPOSED TO IF WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO DEEPER, YOU KNOW, REALLY GO DOWN DISCUSSING IN DEPTH THAT RECOMMENDATION.

BUT MAKE SURE TO.

SO YOU. OH, WELL, THERE WE GO.

THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE.

SOME PAGES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

WE'LL GO BACK TO GOVERNANCE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.

DOES THAT WORK? STAY HERE.

WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING.

ALL RIGHT? SO WHETHER HE COMMENTS ON ON ON THE OBJECTIVES UNDER HIGH-PERFORMANCE GOVERNANCE.

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THE ONLY ONE THAT SPEAKS TO INTERNAL CITY FUNCTIONS, NOT TO COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. ONCE. GOING TWICE.

OKAY. YEAH.

SAFE AND HEALTHY COMMUNITY.

IT GOES FOR OUR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ONLINE.

IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHAT IN.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

IS. IN.

I. THIRD VOTE.

DRAMA AND FOREIGN POLICIES AND GRACE.

I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE JUST HAVEN'T MADE ANY ACROSTAR EQUITY, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVE ACTIVITY.

PERIOD. ALTHOUGH SO.

OR EVEN THAT WE WERE.

WHAT THE HELL IS COMING? WELL, WE'RE INVOLVED IN A PROCESS WITH A GRANT FROM THE VITALIST FOUNDATION, AND THE EFFORT IS LED BY THE COCONINO COALITION OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH.

AND THE END GOAL IS TO BECOME A TRAUMA INFORMED COMMUNITY.

AND SO THERE'S TRAINING THAT ALL STAFF WILL GO THROUGH.

AND THE COUNTY IS DOING IT AS WELL.

UM, AND DON'T KNOW IF STEPH WANTS TO PICK UP ANYWHERE.

YEAH. I'LL SPEAK TYPICALLY I WOULD LOOK TO SHANNON ON THIS BECAUSE SHE'S CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM.

BUT I'M WONDERING AS WE TALK, IF WE CAN FAST FORWARD TO THE DEFINITIONS, BECAUSE I SAW THIS ONE IS DEFINED AT THE VERY END.

YES. CAN WE JUST GO PAST THAT AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK? YEAH. THANK YOU. THIS IS TO ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY QUESTION.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION VERY DIRECTLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TERM THAT EVERYBODY'S ACQUAINTED WITH.

BUT WE THINK TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE ACQUAINTED WITH IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRAINING THAT'S UNDERWAY.

BASICALLY, TRAUMA INFORMED MEANS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND CONSIDER THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF TRAUMA FROM A MULTITUDE OF SOURCES, INCLUDING EXPOSURE TO ABUSE, NEGLECT, DISCRIMINATION, VIOLENCE OR OTHER ADVERSE EXPERIENCES, AND PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTS OF HEALING AND RECOVERY.

SO AS AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED AND I THINK YOU ARTICULATED AS WELL, CHRIS, IT IT BROADENS THE DEFINITION THAT WAS ONCE ANTI-RACIST IS NOW BROADENING THAT TO OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

CERTAINLY DISCRIMINATION IS NOW A SUBSET OF THIS AND A VERY SIGNIFICANT ONE.

BUT OTHER FACTORS ARE NOW INCLUDED.

AND BY THE WAY, I THINK, MAYOR, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME, YOU SIT IN ON THE INDIGENOUS COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT I THINK OUR INDIGENOUS COMMISSION AND OTHERS HAVE HAVE ALSO WEIGHED IN ON ON THIS TRAINING, THE TRAUMA INFORMED TRAINING.

AND AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.

I SEE THAT COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE HAS HER HAND.

OKAY, GOOD.

YEAH, WELL, THAT'S MY KIND OF MOOD.

CAN WE HEAR WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE HAS TO SAY? BECAUSE IT MIGHT INFORM US.

UM, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO SPEAK ON THE.

I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE ADDITIONS OF THE, UM, UH, AREAS ON MENTAL HEALTH AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

UM, AND JUST TO COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY'S POINT, I, I DO THINK THAT INCLUDING THE TRAUMA INFORMED IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FOR THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE REMOVAL OF ANTI-RACIST.

UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT TRANSITION AT ALL BECAUSE FROM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND JUST IN THE WORK THAT I'VE, I'VE DONE IN DEI AND TRAUMA INFORMED, UM, MENTAL HEALTH FOCUSES, UM, WHAT'S OFTEN SAID IS THAT TRAUMA INFORMED WORK IS BASED ON ANTI-RACISM OR THAT ANTI-RACISM IS CORE TO TRAUMA INFORMED CARE.

SO I THINK IT DOES CAPTURE BOTH AND IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND AS AN ORGANIZATION.

OKAY AFTER HEARING THREE COMMENTS, I COMPLETELY AGREE IT SHOULD BE IN THERE, BUT I THINK THE WORDING IS OBTUSE.

HOW ABOUT IF WE SAY FACILITATE AND FOSTER EQUITY, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVITY, INCLUDING SUPPORT OF THOSE SUBJECTED TO

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TRAUMA? SO IN OTHER WORDS, USING DIRECT LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF OBTUSE LANGUAGE.

BUT THE TEAM, I'M INFORMED, IS PRETTY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THE CITY WANTS TO BE FOCUSING ON.

IF YOU WANT THOSE EXACT WORDS, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

AND I DO AGREE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.

MY ONLY POINT IS THE WORDS AND WORDING IS KIND OF OBTUSE.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT ONCE WE KIND OF GET USED TO THIS PHRASE AND SEE.

OKAY, I CAN MOVE IT.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THIS PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE.

JUST THIS THIS OBJECTIVE HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST SCORES IN OUR SURVEY OF THE COMMUNITY, WHERE MOST OF THE OBJECTIVES CAME IN WITH THE APPROVAL RATINGS OF BETWEEN 70 AND 85% OR SO.

THIS ONE WAS IN THE LOW 50S.

AND IT WAS IT WAS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

AND THERE WERE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, WHY IS THE CITY DOING THIS? THE CITY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THIS KIND OF THING AT ALL, YOU KNOW? AND THEN THERE WERE FOLKS SAYING, WELL, WHY ARE YOU LIMITING IT TO ANTI-RACIST? WHY OR WHY ARE YOU NOT INCLUDING LGBT AND POVERTY AND THOSE KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT CAN INFORM IT? SO WE LOOKED AT THESE.

IT WAS LIKE, MY GOODNESS, WE WERE BEING PULLED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS FROM THE COMMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND IT ESPECIALLY THE THAT REFERENCE TO AN ANTI-RACIST THINK WAS A HOT POINT.

IT WAS IT WAS A TERM THAT PEOPLE SAW AND IT REALLY, REALLY ELICITED A MORE EMOTIONAL REACTION ON PEOPLE THAN OUR OTHER OBJECTIVES.

SO WE WENT THROUGH A.

QUITE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ONE.

WE WE ARE EDITS TO THIS ONE.

IF WE HAD A TIMELINE OF HOW WE RECOMMENDED THIS CHANGE, THERE'D PROBABLY BE EIGHT OR 9 OR 10 DIFFERENT WAYS WE THOUGHT ABOUT WRITING THIS.

AT THE END, WE ACTUALLY WENT TO LEADERSHIP AND THINK WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS THINK ONE OF THE JUST INCLUDE PUTTING THE END TO THAT.

CARLOS WAS A WAS ASKED ABOUT.

AND SO WE LANDED ON WE WENT TO IT WAS THE THE EQUITY GROUP WITH THEIR TITLE IS RIGHT NOW THAT.

INCLUSION AND ADAPTIVE WASN'T INCLUDED IN DEFINITION ON DIVERSITY AWARENESS.

YES YES WE WENT TO CODA AS WELL.

BUT THERE WAS A GROUP THERE.

SUSTAINABILITY IS LIKE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR ALMOST DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET.

AND SO WE HEARD FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT INDIGENOUS GROUP AS WELL.

AND WE ALL CAME BACK TOGETHER AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION.

AND THE LEADERSHIP ACTUALLY WITH THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE KIND OF LANDED ON, IS RECOMMENDING.

AND IT WAS BASED OUT OF THE LANGUAGE PEERS.

THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT.

WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGING IT IF YOU'D LIKE TO WITH THAT.

THAT'S JUST AN EXPLANATION OF HOW WE GOT HERE, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS OBJECTIVE, BECAUSE WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON IT AND WENT THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD TERM, SO DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT AS OUR COMMUNITY STARTS TO LOOK AT THAT GRANT AND IMPLEMENT PIECES OF IT, EVERYBODY WILL BECOME MORE MORE FAMILIAR.

BUT WHAT DID WANT TO SAY IS THAT OFTENTIMES.

THE FOLKS WHO WE.

ARE SHARING THESE KINDS OF THINGS WITH ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE TRAUMA INFORMED OR RACIST GROUP.

AND SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

SO THAT'S JUST JUST JUST AN FYI.

AND SO YOU MAY NOTICE IF YOU GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT I SHARED WITH YOU ABOUT THE SURVEY RESULTS, THAT ANY OF THE OBJECTIVES TO THE WHOLE SLEW OF THEM THAT HAD REFERENCES TO THINGS LIKE ANTI-RACIST OR SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ANY KIND OF A WAY TENDED THEIR SCORES DROPPED ABOUT 10 TO 15% BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW THOSE TERMS, SAID, WE DON'T NEED THIS NONSENSE IN OUR IN OUR STUFF.

AND YOU CAN READ THE COMMENTS YOURSELF FOR HOW THEY WORDED THAT, THAT FEEDBACK.

BUT. THIS KIND OF THING EXISTS, WHICH WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE IT ACTIONABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE.

IT'S. WOULD RECOMMEND MAKING THEM.

NOT IT'S NOT APPROVED YET.

SO WE JUST DO THESE UNILATERALLY.

THEY WERE A GREAT POINT.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, THANK YOU FOR RAISING.

YEAH. WE HAVE A COMMENT.

CHRIS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SPEAK VERY MUCH TO THE SAME THING AS COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.

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SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR YOUR COMMENTS THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, A FEW OF US DID ATTEND THAT TOWN HALL ON EQUITY YESTERDAY.

UM, TIME MEANS NOTHING ANYMORE.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY AND IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF OUR INDIGENOUS COMMISSION MEMBERS, WHO WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE AND A COMMUNITY LEADER IN TERMS OF MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ADVOCACY, THE IMPORTANCE OF STARTING FROM THAT POINT OF TRAUMA INFORMED CARE AND RESILIENCY IN ADDRESSING THE VARIOUS ISSUES AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT.

AND AND AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT LANGUAGE AS IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS A REMINDER TO US THAT THAT IS CORE TO THE CONVERSATION, IT'S CORE TO THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.

IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT TRAUMA INFORMED PERSPECTIVE, THEN WE'RE MISSING A BIG PART OF THE PICTURE.

SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT.

IT'S PERHAPS MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL MOMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHY IT FEEDS IN.

FOR ME, IT IT FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO OUR MISSION STATEMENT AS A CITY.

SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.

IT IS PART OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS, EVEN DOWN TO BUDGETING PROCESSES.

BUT IT MAY JUST BE A MOMENT THAT WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY MORE ON.

AND WE'RE IN THIS, RIGHT? AND.

SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. AND. ROBUST BRAZILIAN ECONOMY.

SO I GUESS I'LL SPEAK UP.

THIRD VOTE BECAUSE RELATIONSHIP SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE AN ASSET.

ENHANCE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN BLAH BLAH BLAH.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. LET'S DO IT.

THE OTHER CHANGES ON THIS ONE.

YEAH. BEEN HERE ONCE.

TWICE. THE OTHER? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS GOING TO DO THIS.

PHILOSOPHERS LIKE TO BE DONE WITH PARTNERSHIPS.

WELL, WE DON'T DO EDUCATION.

THAT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT DO THAT DO EDUCATION, BUT WE WE DO HAVE A GOAL OF OF HELPING THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE SO.

IT'S GOING TO BULK UP, BUT I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE.

BUT THINK THE WAY IT WAS WORDED BEFORE WAS ACTUALLY BETTER.

OKAY. YOU CAN SEE THE INTENT OF REMOVING THAT FIRST PART WAS JUST TO MAKE IT MORE OPEN ENDED SO THAT IT COULD BE THE COMMUNITY, OR IT COULD BE THE CITY PROVIDING IT, BUT IT WASN'T LIMITING US FROM DOING IT WHERE WE FELT THAT THE FIRST ONE WAS SAYING THE CITY CAN'T DO IT, BUT CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO CHANGING IT BACK.

IF YOU IF YOU. JUST ONE GUY.

AND OUR SUSTAINABILITY DIVISION IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.

WATER. IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.

UH, MAYBE A COMPROMISE THAT'S IN BETWEEN BOTH COMMENTS THERE WOULD BE TO SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UH, WORK WITH REGIONAL PARTNERS TO PROVIDE SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT. THAT IMPLIES THAT WE HAVE MORE OF AN ACTIVE ROLE THAN WHAT THE PREVIOUS LANGUAGE SIMPLY STATED TO SUPPORT.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOES SOUND LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND NO ONE ELSE SAYS SO.

GOING BACK TO SOMETHING, I CAN FIND OTHER.

PARTNERS. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THINK THE MAYOR'S NOT THE MAYOR.

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YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE THE GAVEL.

ALL I HAVE IS A KITCHEN.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY NOISE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE.

THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. YEAH, I'M NOT HARD OVER ON THIS, BUT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

AND THE LAST ONE? AND. I HAVE ONE IN THIS TOO.

BLOOD. THINK YOU CAN TAKE OUT THE WORD EFFORTS AT THE END? SO IT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR'S INVESTMENT IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

EASY CHANGE. OKAY.

AND WE GO BACK TO ONE.

ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS ROBUST AND RESILIENT ECONOMY.

SURFACE ALLOWS BROAD.

AND TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITIES WORKFORCE HOUSING AND SLASH ME OR.

OKAY, SO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY'S WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF. SO THE MEANING BEHIND THAT IS WE MOVED HOUSING RIGHT THERE.

ACTUALLY THE HOUSING HAS MOVED DOWN FROM THE FIRST GOAL HERE.

SO IT'S MEANT TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WORKFORCE HOUSING STAFF DEVELOPMENT AND WORKFORCE SUPPLY TO BOTH OF THOSE WORDS.

WHY DON'T WE SAY AND INSTEAD OF INTERNALLY DO THAT IT WAS JUST A WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SHORTER.

BUT WE CAN WE CAN ADD IT.

AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND BRINGING WORKFORCE AGAIN SO THAT IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

EITHER WAY, BUT.

I'VE GO BACK TO ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

AND THE NEXT TO THE LAST BULLET IMPLEMENT, MAINTAIN AND FURTHER THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.

YOU TOOK OUT WITH AWARENESS OF SOCIAL EQUITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO WORD THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT A WORDSMITH EITHER, BUT I'M SURE SOMEBODY CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

SO THE REASON WE RECOMMENDED REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE IS BECAUSE THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.

SO AND IT WAS IT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT BY HAVING IT WRITTEN IN THE, THE OBJECTIVE WAS ONE THAT BECAME A FLASHPOINT FOR FOLKS TO CRITICIZE THAT.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT? I TOTALLY HEAR YOU.

BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CRITICIZE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.

SO I SAY PUT IT IN, BECAUSE THAT IS A TRIGGER POINT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES WHO WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.

AND IF WE DON'T LET THEM KNOW UP FRONT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN OUR PLAN, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY $0.02 AND ONLY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE.

SO IT'S GOT TWO VOTES, THREE VOTES, THREE.

SO WE CAN ADD THAT BACK IN.

DID WE DID WE FINISH ADDRESSING YOUR ISSUE WITH THE BULLET POINT ON THE ECONOMY? WORKFORCE, HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. JUST SEPARATE BEAUMINET AND.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU? YEAH. THINK. TAKE THE SASHA OUT IN HAND AND YOU HAVE THE WORD.

DIDN'T THINK WOULD BE REPEATED.

BUT I'M OKAY IF IT IS OKAY.

AND I HAD TO COME IN ON DEFINITIONS AND YOU'LL LOVE THIS EXCELLENT COMMENT.

WE NEED TO ADD A COMMENT.

I DO, I DO. YES.

SECOND LINE AFTER THE WORD CRISIS.

TAKE OUT THE WORD OR EXCUSE ME, USE THE WORD OR.

BUT ADD A COMMENT. IS IT? WOULD YOU PICK YOUR DEFINITION? SECOND DEFINITION PAGE ONE OR PAGE TWO? ONE ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE MODEL.

OKAY. THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE CARE FOR THOSE IN CRISIS.

OR NEEDING MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE ASSISTANCE.

THE GENERAL RULE IS YOU HAVE TO MS OR TO PAUSE THE SENTENCE.

YOU'VE GOT TO ADD A COMMENT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE.

HE'S A DOUBTER DROPPED HER STORE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THE BOARD NEEDS TO STAY THERE.

WE JUST NEED TO ADD A COMMA AFTER THE WORD CRISIS.

SO IT WOULD BE CRISIS COMMA OR NEEDING MENTAL HEALTH, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

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YES, BUT NO COMMA AFTER THE WORD.

SEPARATE THOSE CLAUSES, MAKE THEM MORE.

WELL, OKAY. SO ONE CONCEPT IS CULTURALLY SENSITIVE CARE FOR THOSE IN CRISIS.

THAT'S ONE CRISIS IS ONE.

AND THEN MENTAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR SUBSTANCE USE IS ANOTHER CONCEPT.

THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE CONCEPTS.

IN OR ARE THEY 3D CONCEPTS? NO THEY'RE NOT. OKAY.

IF THERE WERE THREE THINGS, THEN IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, OR.

THEN. IN OTHER WORDS, THEN THE COMMENT AND THE OR THAT HATE TO GET INTO THIS SOUNDS LIKE A NITPICKY.

NOT AT ALL. MY FIRST JOB OUT OF COLLEGE WAS A TECHNICAL WRITER.

I DON'T WRITE NOVELS.

I WRITE SONGS.

BUT I TOLD YOU, WE'VE BEEN DOWN IN THE WEEDS ON A LOT OF THESE.

WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON A LOT OF OUR ALL THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS.

SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHERE COMMAS ARE OR NOT.

SO I'M SAYING WHEN I WRITE SONGS, I USE VERY POOR ENGLISH JUST BECAUSE IT FLOWS BETTER.

WE THINK WE CAN ADD A COMMA THERE THAT WORKS.

OF THE COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER DON'T WANT ANYTHING.

TO. ANYTHING ELSE.

EITHER COMMENTS ON THE DEFINITIONS AS WELL.

THAT'S A WHOLE NEW SECTION.

SO IF THERE'S COMMENTS THERE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM.

JUST APPRECIATE THAT YOU PUT THAT IN THERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON.

THAT. I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE.

I THINK OVERALL, YOU GUYS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

MY COMMENTS WERE JUST.

ANYWAY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK.

YEAH. THANK YOU. IF I MAY ADD, YOU KNOW, WITH ACCOLADES TO CHRIS AND JACK AND ANYBODY WHO HAD INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT OCCURRED LARGELY DURING THE COUNCIL RECESS AND WAS SEEN AS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO COMMUNITY.

IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

GET THIS INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THIS RETREAT.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.

TO, WHICH IS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSTANTLY CHECKING IN WITH THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHERE THE PRIORITIES NOT.

THANK YOU. AND I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT.

JUST A GENERAL COMMENT.

IT WOULD SEEM UNDER DEFINITIONS, THE FIRST WORD AFTER THE DASH SHOULD PROBABLY BE CAPITALIZED AND AT THE END.

IT SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A PERIOD.

AND ALL THESE GIFTS ADD UP TO THE OTHER WORDS.

DO NOTICE THAT THERE IS SOME AREAS WHERE THERE'S CAPITALS AND CAPITALS.

WE CAN HAVE FIRST THE ONE ON THE SCREEN, THE SECOND TO THE BOTTOM IS CAPITALIZED, BUT THE ONE BELOW IT IS NOT.

YOU CAN CORRECT THOSE AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE CAPITALIZED.

AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PERIOD VERY.

GOOD. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL WE'LL MAKE THOSE EDITS AND GET BACK WITH YOU I THINK WE LIKE LIKELY BRING IT BACK AS A CONSENT ITEM FOR APPROVAL SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT ONE LAST TIME, BUT OTHERWISE WE'LL MAKE THOSE MINOR EDITS AND TIME TO EAT LUNCH FOR LUNCH.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TALK HERE.

15 MINUTES FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

DON'T KNOW WHO WAS PRESENT AND IF THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS HERE.

WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC.

YES, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING? NO, I'M JUST GREAT.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE.

SO YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

ALL RIGHT. 1201 ON THE CLOCK.

LET'S DO HALF AN HOUR FOR LUNCH.

WE'LL REGROUP AT 1231.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

RIGHT. SO WE SPEND A LITTLE TIME THIS AFTERNOON COACHING FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE GOVERNANCE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU GUYS REFLECTING AND ALSO TALKING WITH EACH OTHER.

AND FOR OUR REMOTE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ASK YOU TO HAVE A NOTEBOOK HANDY SO THAT YOU CAN DO SOME REFLECTIVE ACTIVITY ON YOUR OWN AND THEN SHARE OUT WITH THE GROUP.

NOT SOMEBODY. UM.

SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS JUST MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN BUSY SINCE THAT LAST RETREAT?

[03:15:06]

OH, GOOD. OKAY.

GOT A COUPLE LAUGHS. THOUGHT THAT MIGHT.

YES, BUT COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS IS SAYING NO.

HAVEN'T BEEN BUSY AT ALL.

BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BUSY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THINGS DONE.

SO LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES YOU GUYS HAVE HAD.

SO FIRST JUST YOU CAN START OUT QUIETLY.

UM, MAKE A LIST.

LIST SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME UP ON THE SCREEN.

STACEY.

SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES SINCE MAYBE THE LAST RETREAT.

SINCE THE. THINK THIS RETREAT WAS IT IN JUNE? WHAT IS? WE HAD TWO RETREATS IN APRIL AND I'M THINKING THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.

AM I WRONG THERE? WE HAVE ONE IN JUNE.

DID. WE WAS THE RETREAT.

WE HAD A RETREAT.

THANK YOU. IT WAS THE PREFACE TO WHAT YOU JUST SAW THIS MORNING.

WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT HERE.

ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

LOOKS LIKE IT. YES.

FOR THE SLIDE. DON'T KNOW. WE'RE DEFINITELY SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW.

BUT FOR THE SLIDE, LET'S GET THE COLORADO RIVER UP.

SUCCESSES AND CHALLENGES.

ONCE YOU'VE GOT A FEW, WE CAN START SHOUTING THEM OUT AND GETTING THEM UP ON THE SCREEN SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT UP HERE.

ANY TAKERS? OKAY, LET'S HEAR IT.

WELL, WE KNOW FROM NATIONAL WHAT'S HAPPENING NATIONALLY.

IF THERE'S A MCCARTHY INVOLVED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A BUDGET PASSED.

WE GOT TO ASK, IN SPITE OF MCCARTHY.

BUDGET PASSED.

DID ANYONE ELSE GIVE THAT A SUCCESS IN SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT? SEE SOME HEAD NODDING HEADS NODDING IN HERE.

SO BUDGET PASS. WE PUT A COUPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS FOR THAT ONE.

FOR THOSE NODDING HEADS.

PICKLEBALL IS A CHALLENGE.

LET'S SPEAK WITH SUCCESSES RIGHT NOW.

WE WILL BE SURE TO LOOK AT CHALLENGES HERE.

THAT MUST BE A BIG ONE THOUGH.

OKAY. UM, WHAT OTHER SUCCESSES ARE SHOWING UP? MAYBE WE CAN GO THIS WAY.

SO. UH COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SHARED VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR DAGGETT.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE SOMETHING FROM YOUR SUCCESSES? WITH. THINK FOR ME.

HIGHLIGHT THEIR PRESENTATION.

ALBUQUERQUE TO THE.

THE ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY.

ARE WE SHARING OUR SUCCESSES IN DARK SKY PRESERVATION? THE REST OF THE. EVERY COMMUNITY.

SO DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO GET ON BOARD FOR THAT ONE? SHARING THE SUCCESSES IN THE DARK SKY.

PRESERVATION IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

OKAY, SOME HEADS ARE NODDING.

ANY CAN WE GET A THUMBS UP FROM ANYBODY? QUOTE FROM THE ONLINE PARTICIPANTS IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME EXCLAMATION POINTS ON THERE.

MARY DAGGETT A SUCCESS.

THE 8.9 MILLION THAT THE LEGISLATURE.

BUDGETING FOR US.

OR 20. FROM A STATE LEGISLATURE TO OKAY.

AND WE CAN ADD TO THAT, IF I MAY.

MAYOR FOR HIGHWAY 180.

CULVERT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. BIG SUCCESS.

DOES THAT GET SOME EXCLAMATION POINTS?

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IS ANYONE ELSE NODDING ALONG THAT? THAT WAS A BIG ONE. NO, GREG CHIMED IN.

OVER HERE. YEAH.

OKAY. SEE? WIDE EYES, BIG NODDING.

WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO GET UP THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET? WHETHER YOU'RE ONLINE OR PRESENT, WHAT IS ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET UP? WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON OUR HOUSING CHALLENGES AND THE PROJECT GETTING CREATIVE AND.

FUNDING TOWARDS THAT HOUSING CHALLENGES.

OKAY. WHAT ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

WELL, I WENT TO THE MEETING ON TUESDAY AND WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW WE RECOVERED FROM OUR RECYCLING DEBACLE IN ONE WEEK. I WAS PRETTY PROUD OF THAT.

THAT WAS TURNED AROUND, AND I THINK THE ONE THAT MIRANDA JUST GAVE WAS AN EXCELLENT ONE, TOO.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, GOOD. DONE.

SOME GOOD SUCCESSES EVERYBODY HAD ON THE BACK.

I HEARD PICKLEBALL AS A CHALLENGE.

WHAT ELSE SHOWN UP IN THERE AS CHALLENGES? WHAT ELSE IS ON THE LIST? AND MAYBE WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU OVER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET I'M GOING TO SAY ANOTHER DOCTOR AT THE HOSPITAL.

CORRECT? DEALING WITH MISINFORMATION IN THE COMMUNITY.

CHALLENGING COUNCIL VOTE AND REZONING OF PROPERTY ON COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.

ALSO THE HOSPITAL BEING THERE IN THAT CHALLENGE CATEGORY.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE, GOTTA GET IT OUT THERE AS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES? COUNCIL'S BEEN WORKING ON A NOISE ORDINANCE SINCE 19.

SINCE 2019, WE STILL HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT ISSUE.

WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY.

NOISE, NOISE.

AND PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP IN THEIR HOUSE.

THEY'RE VICIOUS RABBLE IN THERE.

WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

WE'VE WORKED ON AND WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED.

ALL RIGHT, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE SHOWS UP.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU JUST WANT TO SPIT OUT THERE THAT'S GOTTA GET ON THIS LIST THAT WE GOT TO KNOW ABOUT FOR EVERYTHING WE NEED TO PAY FOR.

HOW TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING WE NEED TO PAY FOR.

RIGHT. THE BUDGET.

PHOENIX COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

THAT'S GOT HER HAND UP AS WELL.

LET'S HEAR IT. YEAH, WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY THROW OUT AS BOTH A SUCCESS AND A CHALLENGE, THE FLOOD MITIGATION EFFORTS.

SO A LOT OF REALLY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS WENT INTO FLOOD MITIGATION AND AND PUTTING IN SOME REALLY VALUABLE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE. AT THE SAME TIME, IT STILL IS VERY MUCH A CHALLENGE.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY TESTED YET.

UM, BUT I THINK AT 100% BELONGS UNDER BOTH.

FLOOD MITIGATION? YES, ON BOTH SIDES.

IT'S BEEN. I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE A NEW PERSON WHO IS NOT AMENABLE TO CONGRESSIONAL.

CORRECTED SPELLING. OKAY.

NEW CONGRESS PERSON NOT AMENABLE TO CONGRESS TO CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING.

THIS IS. AND WHILE YOU'RE OVER THERE, JUDY.

IN THE CHAT, COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAS NOTED AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A CHALLENGE.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANKS FOR GETTING THESE OUT THERE.

SO SUCCESS IS DOWN.

CHALLENGES AHEAD AND AND BEHIND.

THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO LOOK AT THOSE.

SO TAKING THIS IN MIND, WE WANT TO THINK OF THE COUNCIL AS A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAM.

WITH ALL THESE SUCCESSES UNDER YOUR BELT AND CHALLENGES TO WORK TOGETHER AHEAD OF YOU.

SO IN A MOMENT, I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT ARE CHARACTERISTICS OF HIGHLY MOTIVATED TEAMS, BUT ARE MOTIVATORS OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAMS. BUT LET'S HEAR FROM YOU GUYS WHAT'S COMING TO MIND.

AND YOU CAN THROW IT IN THE CHAT OR RAISE YOUR HAND OR POP IN.

JUST TRUST.

STARTS WRITING. MUTUAL RESPECT.

TRUST. MUTUAL RESPECT.

EVEN WHEN JOHNSON. EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T AGREE.

[03:25:05]

ANYTHING ELSE I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU THREE? SO LET'S GET AT LEAST THREE HERE FROM THE COUNCIL.

HUMOR. COMMUNICATION.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU THINKING OF? LET'S SEE WHAT THE RESEARCH SAYS.

THIS IS FROM PEOPLE STRATEGY BY JACK ALTMAN.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OH OH SHARED VISION AND GOALS.

THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN.

PUT IT TOGETHER, THOUGH WE'VE HAD IT FIGURED OUT.

SO SORRY.

I'M CONFUSED BY THAT CALENDAR, BY THE WAY.

IT JUST POPS UP ON OCCASION.

IT'S LIKE. YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

IT KIND OF BRINGS ME UP THERE.

GREAT. SO, FROM JACK ALTMAN, PEOPLE, STRATEGY, PURPOSE, COMMUNITY AND GROWTH.

SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I MEAN BY PURPOSE.

COMMUNITY GROWTH.

PURPOSE. WHAT WE DO MATTERS.

COMMUNITY WHO WE DO IT WITH MATTERS.

AND GROWTH.

HOW WE EVOLVE MATTERS.

IS THIS RINGING FOR YOU GUYS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAMS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ON? YOU SAY PURPOSE, COMMUNITY AND GROWTH ARE PART OF IT.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE.

SO FOR ME, I THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY RINGS TRUE.

I THINK OF COUNCIL AS A COMMUNITY, BUT I'M ALSO WORKING IN THE BIGGER.

ASPECT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IN ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT WE DO, IN ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU DO, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL COMMUNITY, BUT THE COMMUNITY.

YOU ARE SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU DO.

YEAH. SO COMMUNITY IS LIKE.

YES. ANY OTHER.

AND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE TEAMS YOU'VE BEEN ON, CAN YOU SEE THESE SURFACING IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? I WOULD SAY, UM.

AND I WOULD SAY YOU IN THE DEAN'S OFFICE.

OUR PURPOSE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS, EVERY STUDENT THAT CAME THROUGH OUR DOOR, HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE AND THAT THEIR ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED IN A CARING WAY.

AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE DID THAT IN OUR OFFICE, THEN THAT REALLY DID IMPACT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES CAMPUS.

BUT WE COULD. YEAH.

AND THEN ALSO THE GROWTH OF STUDENTS WAS IMPORTANT.

SO WE TOOK GROWTH IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY THAN WE MIGHT HERE.

BUT THE NEXT TIME THEY RAN INTO THAT SITUATION PROBLEM, THEY KNEW HOW TO RESOLVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN KIND OF LIKE TAUGHT.

YEAH, THEY HAD THAT SPIRIT.

SO SO THE GROWTH OF OUR STUDENTS AT THAT TIME.

AWESOME. SO YEAH, TYING INTO COMMUNITY AND GROWTH, THE GROWTH OF THE STUDENTS.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

ITS ONLY PURPOSE. NO ONE'S MENTIONED THAT ONE YET.

I THINK THAT PURPOSE IS.

WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

AND IT'S. AND THINK FOR THIS COUNCIL, WE DO SHARE THE SAME PURPOSE.

WE HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF AGREEMENT ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT EVERYONE IS HERE TO WORK AND TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.

THERE'S NO ONE WHO'S HERE TO OBSTRUCT.

OKAY. THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO OBSTRUCT.

THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON.

A AGREEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE.

BUT YOU ALL HAVE A PURPOSE.

ARE YOU ALL MOTIVATED BY THE PURPOSE? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT.

THE COUNCIL HERE IS IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THAT SENSE OF PURPOSE.

WELL, VERY HAPPY AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS THAT THERE WERE MEMBERS SAYING THAT THEIR ROLE WAS TO INSTRUCT AND AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LIKE THAT ON THIS COUNCIL.

A COMMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

JUST TO AGREE WITH BOTH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, I, I SEE THESE THREE AS REALLY FEEDING INTO EACH OTHER.

SO I'M, I LOVE PURPOSE BEING THE FIRST ONE.

I THINK OUR PURPOSE IS OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN FOR POSITIVE GROWTH, WHETHER IT'S IN EDUCATION OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING.

THEY ARE ALL THEY'RE SO INTERTWINED WITH EACH OTHER THAT I, I SEE ALL THREE OF THESE REALLY, UM, AS POWERFUL AND MOTIVATING.

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EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. YOU'RE WITH ME.

SO THESE THREE THINGS POWERFUL AND MOTIVATING.

SO LET'S TAKE THESE THREE CONCEPTS AND TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND SEE HOW WE CAN USE THREE CONCEPTS WITHIN THIS TO HELP THIS COUNCIL BECOME A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TEAM.

YOU WANT TO. EXCELLENT.

SO WE'LL LOOK AT.

HIGH-PERFORMING GOVERNANCE PETITIONS AND FAIR.

WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS NOW.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME UP LATER TODAY.

THE FIRST CONCEPT I WANT TO ASK YOU TO EITHER REFLECT ON OR WRITE ON IF YOU'RE A VIRTUAL PARTICIPANT OR TURN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR AND TALK ABOUT.

IS THIS CONCEPT THAT HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS ARE LOW ON ADVOCACY AND HIGH ON INQUIRY.

SO WE'VE GOT A CHART HERE FOR EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO IF YOU WOULD TURN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR IN GROUPS OF 2 OR 3.

THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU AND HOW YOU'RE DOING WITH THESE PERSONALLY.

KNOWING THAT A HIGH PERFORMING TEAM IS LOW ON ADVOCACY AND HIGH ON INQUIRY.

AND NO LAVA CAME UP EARLIER TODAY.

THAT MNEMONIC TO HELP.

LISTEN. I'M SPACING OUT ON THE A RIGHT NOW.

ACKNOWLEDGE, VALIDATE AND ASK QUESTIONS.

SO YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS HOW.

THESE ELEMENTS.

RELATE TO PETITIONS AND FAIR KNOW JUST HOW YOU'RE DOING ON THESE, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO PETITIONS AND SHARE WHAT THESE MEAN TO YOU AND HOW YOU'RE DOING ON THEM PERSONALLY.

ARE YOU MORE OF AN ADVOCATOR OR AN INQUIRER? CLUSTERS. AND GROUPS OF 2 OR 3.

SO. WE CAN ONE AND TWO AND TWO ASK QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS ONE AND TWO AND TWO.

THANK YOU. SO.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. IS.

RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH, YEAH.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, ONE IS NOT.

STRONGER. AND THE OTHER ONE IS.

NEVER. APPROPRIATE TO.

PROCESS. YOU KNOW.

IT'S. NOT NECESSARILY.

GOING TO AFFECT US.

SO. HOW DO YOU.

YEAH. YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW HONESTLY.

EXPENSIVE LAST TIME.

I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT.

IT. RIGHT.

YEAH. YEAH.

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YEAH. SO A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THAT INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY VERSUS.

C COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE AND MATTHEW'S CHIMED IN BOTH MORE OF AN INQUIRER.

UM, MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR, WOULD YOU SHARE WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? UM. IT TALKED ABOUT HOW THESE TWO THINGS PLAY OUT WITH US.

AND WE.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHERS, LIKE HOW THEY THINK WE HOW WELL WE BALANCE THESE THINGS.

BECAUSE I'M KNOW SEE THAT TWO INQUIRERS AND MY FRIENDS CALL ME THE INQUISITOR BECAUSE I ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS.

UM. SO IT'S INTERESTING.

I THINK WE ALL COME INTO THIS ROLE.

BUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADVOCACY IN MIND, AT LEAST TOPICALLY.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE SPACE TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE'S VIEWS AND VALUES.

UH, I NOTICED ON THE NOTES THAT THE TRUE NORTH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE VALUES YOU BRING? TO THIS DISCOURSE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GET ELECTED ON, IS HOW WELL WE COMMUNICATE THOSE AND HOW WELL WE REFLECT THOSE BACK AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.

I AM VERY PROUD OF BEING A PART OF THIS EXPERIMENT OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS GROUP IN PARTICULAR AND SERVING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE SMARTER AS A GROUP THAN ALONE, AND WOULD NEVER MAKE THE CLAIM THAT IF I COULD JUST WAVE A WAND AND GET THINGS DONE ON MY OWN, THAT THAT THINGS WOULD BE GETTING DONE CORRECTLY OR SO, THEN THE SEVEN OF US COVERING EACH OTHER'S BLIND SPOTS AND HAVING THAT.

THAT DIALOG AND THAT INQUISITIVENESS.

UM, THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER.

UM, THE VALUES THAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE.

THE ARTICULATE VALUES THAT GOT US ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND JUST THE THE TOTALITY OF INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO COME TO A TO, TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS REPRESENTED.

AND. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IMBALANCE IN COURSE OF ACTION.

WOW. AWESOME.

GLAD THIS THING'S BEING RECORDED, RIGHT? UM, SO PART OF WHAT I HEARD IS, LIKE, WE'RE ELECTED BECAUSE WE ARE ADVOCATES, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE VIEWS, AND THAT'S OUR TRUE NORTH.

THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS FROM THE LAST RETREAT THAT THAT STUCK OUT.

BUT WE ALSO LISTENED TO EACH OTHER.

WE COVER EACH OTHER'S BLIND SPOTS.

THERE'S SEVEN OF US. AND THIS SENSE OF INQUISITIVENESS HELPS US GET A BROADER PERSPECTIVE AND LOOK OUT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

DID PICK UP WHAT YOU PUT DOWN.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WHERE I MISSED SOMETHING.

OKAY. AWESOME.

SO IS THAT SENSE OF BOTH ADVOCACY AND INQUIRY IN THAT SENSE OF INQUIRY ALSO BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOU A STRONGER TEAM? LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THIS GROUP OF SEVEN, YOU WOULDN'T BE THE PERSON TO WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND GET IT ALL DONE BY YOURSELF.

YOU'RE HERE ON THIS TEAM.

ANY OTHER BIG HIGHLIGHTS YOU GUYS WANT TO POINT OUT FROM YOUR SMALL CONVERSATIONS? BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT.

THE EXAMPLES OF ADVOCACY.

I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT SOUNDS KIND OF NEGATIVE.

UM, BUT IN THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY, BECAUSE, UM, AND I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE I USED THE OTHER NIGHT WAS WHEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE CARBON NEUTRALITY.

AND SO I ASKED THE TEAM, UH, WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T MEET OUR GOALS BY THEN WITH THE WORLD BLOW UP WAS BEING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

UM, AND I THINK THAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND SO WHEN I'M ADVOCATING, I'M USUALLY ADVOCATING FOR THE VOICES THAT ARE NOT IN THE ROOM OR AT THE TABLE.

AND SO I SEE THAT AS A POSITIVE.

I'M ALSO INQUIRING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH MY COMMENT, PEOPLE LISTEN TO IT AND PROBABLY SAY, OH, SHE'S BEING WHATEVER SARCASTIC BUT WASN'T, I WAS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

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AND SO I THINK THAT WE ARE INQUISITIVE OR WE'RE INQUIRING ABOUT OR SEEKING WISDOM IN THE ROOM OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT WANTED FOLKS TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THE WORLD WASN'T GOING TO STOP IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

AND SO SOMETIMES I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THAT, WE REALLY AND WE'RE ADVOCATING, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING THE STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE, AT LEAST I THINK, UH, AT LEAST I TRY.

SO, YEAH. AND SOMETHING I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY TOO, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ACTING AS AN ADVOCATE, YOU'RE INFORMED BY YOUR INQUIRY, LIKE YOU'RE BRINGING THE INQUIRY YOU'VE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THAT IN ANOTHER SETTING, IN THE SETTING THAT YOU'RE IN.

IS THAT. YEAH.

YEAH. THAT'S YEAH. THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

WELL, CAN YOU HELP ME GET A LITTLE CLOSER? WELL, UM. MM.

LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT.

OKAY. UM, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, LIKE, WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADVOCATE.

AND I'M ALSO HEARING YOU SAY YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF INQUIRY, UM, AS PART OF THAT.

OKAY. AND THE CARBON NEUTRALITY THING IS AN EXAMPLE THAT CAME UP RECENTLY, LIKE AT THE END OF THE WORLD.

RIGHT? GOTTA LAUGH AT SOMETHING SO SERIOUS.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE POSTED A COMMENT.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART.

LEADING OUR INQUIRY RATHER THAN LEADING OUR INQUIRY THROUGH ADVOCACY.

ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO SHARE THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? THINK. WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY.

THIS MAYOR BROUGHT UP THE WORD TRUST, AND FOR ME, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I HAVE THE TRUST OF MY COLLEAGUES AND THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, NO MATTER HOW SILLY MY QUESTION MIGHT BE.

I HAVE THAT AMONG MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

WE'RE ON THE DAIS, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, AND IT'S BEEN HELPFUL WITH THIS TRUST.

THERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET INTO THE INQUIRY.

EXCELLENT. THANKS. I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

WHAT'S ON THE BOARD THERE? HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS ARE GOING.

ADVOCACY INQUIRY.

TO ME THAT'S KIND OF NEGATIVE BECAUSE IT'S SO ABSOLUTE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE PATH OF DOING BOTH OF THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY IS WHAT WE DO BEST.

YEAH. THIS IS THE BOTH AND MORE SITUATION.

THIS IS A SLIDING SCALE OF A SPECTRUM.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT HIGH INQUIRY, ASKING QUESTIONS, LISTENING, GETTING VIEWPOINTS, ALL THAT STUFF.

AND NOT JUST KIND OF LIKE VICE MAYOR ASLIN SAID.

LIKE MAKING IT ALL BE DONE MY WAY.

SO SO ALL OF THIS OR ALL OF THAT DOESN'T WORK.

YOU NEED TO DO BOTH. YEAH.

SO DOING BOTH.

DEFINITELY THAT.

INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY AND THINKING ABOUT HOW A LOT OF INQUIRY CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL.

YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM.

DEFINITIONS ARE IMPORTANT AND HOW WE PERCEIVE THOSE DEFINITIONS.

UH, ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN I THINK ABOUT ADVOCACY, I DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT AS A NEGATIVE.

I THINK ABOUT THAT AS A POSITIVE.

AND I THINK THAT ON A COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD ADVOCATE AND THINK IT SHOULD BE HIGH BECAUSE YOU'RE REPRESENTING A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO ARE NOT SITTING IN THAT SEAT.

AND YOU HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE VOICES.

AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE SECTION OF THE OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE VOTED FOR.

YOU THINK THAT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I REPRESENTED THOSE FOLKS WHO DID VOTE FOR ME AND THOSE FOLKS WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR ME.

AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN I'M ADVOCATING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WHEN I'M ADVOCATING FOR THINGS, IT'S FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR ONE GROUP OR THE OTHER.

SO, SO, SO, SO.

AND I'M NOT BEING CONFRONTATIONAL, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT.

HOW YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OR HOW YOU PERCEIVE ADVOCACY COULD HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

ADVOCACY IS NOT A BAD THING.

YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN ELECTED BECAUSE YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR YOUR PEOPLE, FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF I'M PICKING UP THE SAME KIND OF THING DID FROM YOU BEFORE COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, WHICH IS LIKE, I ADVOCATE FOR MY PEOPLE.

YES. AND WHAT I'M HEARING, THOUGH, IS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE BRINGING THIS COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE OF DOING YOUR LISTENING, DOING YOUR INQUIRY WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

IS THAT. YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH. YEAH, I'M STILL NOT.

I HEARD IT KIND OF THE SAME WAY, BUT LIKE WHEN SAY IT BACK TO YOU, I'M NOT QUITE RIGHT THERE.

SO. BUT I'M HEARING YOU SAY LIKE AM AN ADVOCATE.

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AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND PART OF WHAT I'M HEARING, TOO, IS LIKE, YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR YOU AND THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T.

BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, RIGHT.

SO THAT YOU CAN ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO CALL THAT INQUIRY THAT YOU'VE DONE COMMUNITY INQUIRY TO STAND AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

YOU'RE WITH ME WITH THAT. OKAY. YEP.

YEAH. OKAY. YOU'RE WILLING TO BE AT LEAST YOU'RE WILLING TO TRY THAT ON.

GREAT. WELL, IT'S KIND OF A FOLLOW UP COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, AS I SEE THE EXAMPLES OF ADVOCACY HERE, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF INDIVIDUAL ADVOCACY.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I REMINDED HER WHEN SHE SAID, WELL, I'M AN ADVOCATE.

AND I SAID, YES, BUT EVERY TIME I HEAR YOU ADVOCATE, YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT STATING YOUR VIEWS, RATHER STATING THE VIEWS OF THOSE WHO YOU MET WITH IN THE COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM OR THOSE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE.

BUT AS YOU READ THE EXAMPLES, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALIZED KIND OF SORT OF.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I CAN ADD TO THAT.

I THINK THAT WE COULD ALL DO A BETTER JOB OF ASKING QUESTIONS AND FACILITATING DISCUSSIONS.

AND I TRY TO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS WITHOUT AT LEAST ON BIG ISSUES.

I'LL HAVE A WAY THAT I'M LEANING, BUT I REALLY AM RELYING ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUES BRING TO THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE MY DECISION.

AND ALSO, I THINK WE'RE ALL ADVOCATES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND SAY, I'M ADVOCATING FOR BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.

BUT I ALSO HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF ALL THE CITY'S NEEDS AND FUNDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO DON'T COME IN WITH LIKE, WE ARE DOING IT THIS WAY OR NO WAY.

I COME IN WITH, COME ON, WE'VE ALWAYS GOT TO KEEP THIS IN THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE MOVING THIS WAY.

MOVING THE NEEDLE ON THIS ISSUE.

I'M HEARING YOU SAY YOU MIGHT COME IN LEANING IN A DIRECTION, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LISTENING TO SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE SOME MOVEMENT TO OR SOME ACTION TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

YOU'RE LEANING AND YOU'RE LISTENING.

YES, DEFINITELY.

AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BRING THAT ADVOCACY TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE.

SO. UH.

WELL, NO, CAN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE.

NEVER MIND WHAT I JUST SAID.

AM I AM I GOING TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE LIKE ALSO GOING TO ADVOCATE BUT WITH AN OPEN MIND OR.

YES. OKAY.

YES. I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT MOST OF US WOULD PROBABLY FEEL SOME THINGS ARE PRETTY FIRM ON.

YES, BUT WHEN YOU WANT TO BE AN ADVOCATE, YOU ALSO WANT TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND HEAR SOME OTHER PERSPECTIVES.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THEN WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THE NEXT THING TO COME.

WHAT I THINK MY ROLE IS AS THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON, I'VE BEEN THE CHAIRMAN OF A STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION THAT ADVOCATED ADVOCATING FOR A CERTAIN VIEWPOINT.

AND. AND WE DID THAT WELL.

BUT THAT ISN'T MY ROLE AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

MY ROLE AS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER LISTEN TO ALL SIDES, LIKE TAKE THE HOSPITAL, FOR INSTANCE.

I MET WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GUNG HO, 100% BEHIND.

WE HAVE TO BUILD THE HOSPITAL AND THEN BUILT WITH MET WITH ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HATED THE HOSPITAL, AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN THINK OF ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT IT.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY BAD.

WELL, WHAT MY ROLE WAS IS TO LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

THERE'S THOUSANDS OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES WHERE I WASN'T IT WASN'T MY ROLE TO ADVOCATE FOR ONE POSITION.

IT WAS MY ROLE TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND THEN MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION THAT WAS OVERALL BETTER.

THANKS SO MUCH. THAT JUST SO SUMS THIS UP.

IS LIKE YOU SERVED IN THIS ROLE WHERE YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE AND YOU WERE PUSHING FOR SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR, BUT YOUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND MY SUGGESTION IS LIKE ON AN EFFECTIVE TEAM, A LOT OF TIMES YOUR ROLE IS TO LISTEN.

AND BE EXPOSED TO THOSE OTHER VIEWPOINTS.

LET'S LOOK AT THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU.

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THE. YEAH.

LET'S. YAY! SHUT UP! HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS. PRIORITIZE. THEY'RE PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS.

YES. SO DISCERNMENT IS KEY WITH THESE HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS. WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE CITY IS THAT IT TAKES THE 25 SIGNATURES TO GET A PETITION BROUGHT, AND IT TAKES 1200 TO GET ON THE BALLOT. IS THAT CORRECT? 1313.

1200 1300 1600 1600.

OKAY, SO YOU CAN GET A LOT OF PETITIONS BROUGHT FORWARD.

GOING TO JUST BYPASS THOSE.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM. HERE'S THE HERE ARE SOME OF NOT ALL OF THE PETITIONS THAT HAVE MADE IT TO YOU IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.

AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER ANY OF THESE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM RIGHT NOW.

JUST LOOKING THAT YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF PETITIONS COME ACROSS YOUR COME ACROSS YOUR RADAR.

SO WITH THIS SENSE OF DISCERNMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DEBATE.

SO I HAVE A FRIEND. HE LOVES DEBATE.

I CAN BE TALKING WITH HIM AND LISTENING TO HIM ALL ALL ON ONE SIDE.

ALL THE WAY IN. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE MEET UP AND HE'S ALL THE WAY IN ON THE OTHER SIDE.

HE JUST WANTS A GOOD DEBATE.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE FOR HIM.

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT. ANYBODY LIKE THAT HERE, YOU JUST WANT TO DO THE DEBATE.

SO MUCH. OKAY.

INTERESTING. SO I WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL HERE IF YOU'VE SEEN UNHEALTHY DEBATE IN OTHER COUNCILS OR ON OTHER TEAMS. OKAY, OKAY, I'M SEEING SOME HEAD NODS.

WOULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? UNHEALTHY DEBATE. LET ME THINK ABOUT HOW TO WORD IT SO AS NOT. TO.

REALLY EXPLICIT.

SURE SOMEONE ELSE CAN THINK OF.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO SHARE AN EXAMPLE OF AN.

OF OBSERVING UNHEALTHY DEBATE, WHETHER IT WAS A TEAM YOU WERE ON OR SOMETHING YOU OBSERVED WITH A DIFFERENT COUNCIL OR A DIFFERENT TEAM? YES. JUST GO TO CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T EVALUATE THE ISSUE AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COUNTRY.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF YOU'RE IN R AND THIS IS MY POSITION, THIS IS MY POSITION.

IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO THAT THE R'S AND D'S OKAY.

THEY RAN AS R'S AND D'S AND THEY GOT ELECTED.

BUT ONCE THEY GOT ELECTED, THEY SAY, HEY, WE GOT SOME [INAUDIBLE] TO GET DONE HERE.

AND THEY SIT DOWN TOGETHER, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, TIP O'NEILL, LEFT WING.

USED TO GO HAVE DINNER WITH WITH PRESIDENT REAGAN.

RIGHT WING. THEY TALK TOGETHER AND GET SOMETHING DONE.

YES. THEY TALKED AND THEY PROBABLY LISTENED SOME TO EACH OTHER.

NOW THEY LISTEN.

YES. GREAT EXAMPLE.

CALL A STALEMATE CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.

OTHER EXAMPLES YOU'RE THINKING OF MAYBE OF TEAMS YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT HAVE HAD SOME UNHEALTHY DEBATE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSES, CHAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXPLAINING, LEARNING, ADVOCACY AND POSTING.

ADVOCACY. CAN'T BE ALL ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS.

MAYOR. DO YOU, UH.

HAVE YOU? GOT SOME WORDS FORMED ON WHAT A THINK WHAT I'VE SEEN.

AND I'LL SAY THIS IN A MORE GENERAL SENSE, BUT I'VE SEEN.

ALMOST LIKE THE PETITION WAY OF BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT.

I'VE SEEN.

COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAD SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT.

AND RATHER THAN LIKE BRING PEOPLE ALONG IN A DISCUSSION, IT WAS JUST PLOP DOWN LIKE, VOTE ON THIS RIGHT NOW AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION OR ASKING QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THAT, THERE'S REALLY.

OKAY, THE UNHEALTHY DEBATE.

NO ROOM FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OR ENGAGING IN DIALOG.

THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE THAT'S GOT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU GUYS TO GET IN A GROUP MAYBE A DIFFERENT GROUP.

MAYBE WE'LL DO UM, UH THREE AND THREE.

ALL RIGHT. AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANT DEBATE TO LOOK LIKE ON THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL?

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WHAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SITUATION FOR YOUR HEALTHY DEBATE TO TAKE PLACE? ALL RIGHT.

SHE. WANTED TO GET.

IN THE VIRTUAL.

WORLD TODAY, THE IDEAL SITUATION FOR FLAGSTAFF WAS LIKE.

THIS.

YEAH.

YOU. KNOW.

THREE. YEAH.

SOMETHING. SO SPECIAL.

AND SO EXTREME.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN. WHAT? WHAT WOULD HEALTHY DEBATE LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD BE SO HEALTHY? SHAPE. IT'S.

GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO YOU.

WE'RE.

NOT. HERE.

FOR YOU. VERY. SMART QUESTIONS. YEAH.

ACTUALLY, THOSE ARE JUICY THINGS.

RIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO.

GET TO THAT INTERACTION.

MORE BY WAY OF OF THOSE.

ACTUALLY. ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS READY TO SHOOT? ALL RIGHT. SURE.

OKAY. I KNOW THESE GUYS HAD SOME REALLY JUICY COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE LOOKS LIKE FOR THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL.

SO LET'S HEAR FROM YOUR GROUP, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE GUYS CHIME IN.

WHAT BECAME THAT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S BEING HAVING THAT SENSE OF BEING SAFE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE AND.

UH. YEARS MADE A GOOD POINT THAT THE MORE YOU CAN BRING UP YOUR THOUGHT ON A TOUGH TOPIC AND SEE THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET

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THROUGH THAT, THE MORE YOU'RE ABLE TO ENGAGE ON OTHER TOUGH TOPICS.

SAY THAT AGAIN. SO WHEN YOU KIND OF LIKE INITIATING YOURSELF, SAYING, HEY, I'M GOING TO BRING THIS TOUGH TOPIC UP AND I'M GOING TO SAY MY PIECE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MAYBE THE MAJORITY.

WHEN YOU START DOING THAT, IT KIND OF SNOWBALLS INTO FUTURE MEETINGS.

FUTURE TOPICS DIDN'T GET, THE DAGGERS, DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, SCOFFED.

I'M ABLE TO TALK FREELY, EXPRESS MY OPINION, EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS AND.

DO IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE, OKAY? THAT YOU'RE IN A SAFE PLACE, YOU CAN BRING YOUR OPINION, EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHT EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR, OR WHEN YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POPULAR. I ADDED OF MY OBSERVATION THAT THIS COUNCIL IS VERY ENGAGED.

ALL SEVEN MEMBERS ON PRETTY MUCH ALL TOPICS.

UH, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW.

IT'S SEVEN PEOPLE AT A TABLE.

YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS CAN BE CONSUMED BY, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 VOICES.

BUT THIS COUNCIL SEEMS TO PLACE A HIGH PRIORITY ON HEARING EVERYBODY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS.

WHAT CONSTITUTES A GOOD COUNCIL DEBATE ON ANYTHING.

I THINK PART OF THE ANSWER IS INCLUSION OF ALL.

INCLUSION OF ALL.

ALL SEVEN MEMBERS ARE ENGAGED OR HEARING VOICES FROM EVERYBODY PRESENT.

LET'S HEAR FROM SOME OF THOSE JUICY COMMENTS YOU GUYS MENTIONED.

AND. WELL SAID.

HOW DO YOU COME TO A CONCLUSION? WELL, IN THE END, WE HAVE A VOTE.

BUT. DON'T HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE AN HONEST, OPEN DISCUSSION.

IN THE END, WE HAVE A VOTE, BUT THAT'S AFTER WE HAVE AN OPEN, HONEST DISCUSSION.

THE OTHER THING IS, SOMETIMES THERE'S ROOM FOR COMPROMISE.

I YOU THE EXAMPLE. I DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ELECTRIC MOTORBIKES ON FOOT STRIPS.

WELL. THE COUNCIL AGREED THAT TWO OF THE FOOT'S TRAILS WE WOULD DISALLOW ELECTRIC BIKES AND ON THE OTHER ONES WOULD ALLOW THE BOOKS AND VOTED FOR IT.

AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAD A COMPROMISE.

ALL RIGHT. COMPROMISE.

AND A LOT OF MY FRIENDS WERE REALLY MAD AT ME FOR VOTING FOR THAT.

BUT I FELT GOOD ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.

YEAH, WELL, THANKS FOR THAT, MAYOR DAGGETT.

WHAT WAS IT YOU SAID THAT WAS SO.

JUICY IN THAT COMMENT PERIOD ABOUT.

OH, WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE IS LIKE.

WELL, I MEAN, BOUNCING OFF OF COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET STATEMENT ABOUT, UM, HAVING MUTUAL RESPECT SO THAT YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTION AND YOU CAN DISAGREE.

YOU CAN JUST THINK THAT OUR DEBATES ARE HEALTHY AND.

IF WE HAVE HEALTHY DEBATE AND.

VICE MAYOR HAS BROUGHT THIS UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL TO THE WAY WE OPERATE, AND THAT IS.

DID YOU SAY? NO? I CAN'T BELIEVE I SPACED IT OUT.

OH, THAT.

THAT THE DISSENTING VOICES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT HELPS YOU SEE A.

YOU KNOW, A PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE CONSIDERED.

HEARING THE DISSENTING VOICES HELPS YOU HEAR A PERSPECTIVE YOU MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED.

AWESOME. SO THINKING ABOUT DISCERNMENT AND WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE LOOKS LIKE SO THAT YOU CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF LISTENING, A LOT OF RECOGNIZING THE SAFE PLACE, BEING WILLING TO TRUST EACH OTHER, UM, FEELING SAFE TO SPEAK YOUR VIEWPOINT, EVEN IF IT MIGHT BE A DISSENTING VIEWPOINT.

AND THEN RECOGNIZING THAT THAT DISSENTING VIEWPOINT HELPS EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE EXPAND.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY HERE, NOT FEELINGS.

AND KEEP.

COMING BACK TO THE TOTALITY OF INFORMATION, AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING YOU CAN EVER ACHIEVE.

IF YOU TURN OVER, EVERY ROCK IS STILL FIND MORE NUANCES TO CONSIDER, AND IT CAN ACTUALLY BECOME OVERWHELMING.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE SPATULA EFFECT THAT BATHROOM.

TOTAL DECISION PARALYSIS.

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BUT. I CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT USING A BOAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I FEEL THAT WE HAVE THOROUGHLY EXPLORED THE TOTALITY OF THE INFORMATION SPHERE AND THAT PERSPECTIVES WERE ALLOWED TO BE HEARD.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AN ODD NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NUMBER OF GUYS, AND ALSO.

PERSONALITY TRAITS.

INJURIA. SO WE'RE IN A GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT FOR STACEY BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A TIPPING POINT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

RIGHT? SO, YEAH, THE TOTALITY OF INFORMATION, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN KEEP QUESTING, YOU CAN TURN OVER EVERY STONE AND AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO STOP.

BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TURN OVER ENOUGH STONES.

I HEARING YOU RIGHT. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE SLIDE SAYS THEY'RE PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS A.

YES. SO WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT AFTER WARRANTING A YES IS BEING ABLE TO LISTEN TO DEBATE, TO TURN OVER THE AS MANY STONES AS YOU CAN AND LOOK INTO IT, AS WELL AS OFFERING AND LISTENING TO THOSE DISSENTING OPINIONS.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE YES AS IT PERTAINS TO PETITIONS ON.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE GET STUCK SOMETIMES.

AND I MEAN ME PRIMARILY BECAUSE I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO WANT TO CONSIDER IDEAS THAT I MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF.

LIKE I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO INVITE IN DISCUSSION THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE, BUT KIND OF LEAVES US IN AN EDDY.

WHILE WE'RE DECIDING IT.

OKAY, GREAT.

I'M STILL FINDING MY.

I NEVER WANT THE PUBLIC TO FEEL LIKE THEY WEREN'T HEARD.

BUT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET EDITED OUT AT TIMES BY BRINGING IN MORE INFORMATION OR BRINGING SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE ISN'T REALLY MAYBE GOING TO PUSH YOU TOWARDS A CONCLUSION. YEAH.

YEAH. SO I GUESS GREAT WAY TO WRAP THAT UP, BECAUSE USING YOUR DISCERNMENT ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND WHERE YOU WANT TO SAY YES AND WHERE YOU WANT TO ADD MORE, LET'S LOOK AT THIS THIRD POINT HERE.

HIGH PERFORMING TEAMS STICK TO WHAT THE GROUP DECIDES AFTER THE GROUP HAS REACHED A CONCLUSION.

GOT A CUTE CARTOON HERE? GOT PEOPLE LEAVING THE MEETING.

NOW LET'S TEAR APART EVERYTHING WE TACITLY SUPPORTED JUST FIVE MINUTES AGO.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THOSE GUYS, DO YOU? SO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO THAT HELPS YOU STICK WITH IT AND COMMIT TO THE DECISIONS? I'M ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU MIGHT BE TARGETED AFTER SOMETHING BY A CONSTITUENT THAT WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING BACK UP.

AND HOW DO YOU SAY WE DID THE DEBATE? WE DID OUR HEALTHY DEBATE.

WE BROUGHT FORTH THE INFORMATION.

WE TURNED OVER ALL THE STONES, AND WE'RE STICKING WITH OUR DECISION.

SO THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR YOU, IS HOW? UM, DO YOU HOLD EACH OTHER IN THE COUNCIL ACCOUNTABLE AND STICK WITH IT? SO I WOULD INVITE YOU FIRST.

WE'RE GOING TO DO A SHORT ONE TO JUST DO A SMALL SMALL GROUP DISCUSSION TO GET YOUR JUICES FLOWING.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO THROW SOME THINGS UP ONTO THE POWERPOINT SLIDE.

AND SO FOR OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, TYPE SOME THINGS IN.

AND MAYBE YOU GUYS WANT TO SWITCH UP YOUR GROUPS OR STICK WITH THE SAME GROUP WHATEVER YOU WANT.

BUT YEAH, LET'S GET SOME GEARS TURNING FOR WHAT WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A COUNCIL TO STICK WITH IT AND HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.

YEAH. OH GOOD ONE JUST TO SWITCH.

IT'S JUST.

THAT SINCE.

THE SECOND.

GRAND PRIX TO TAKE PLACE.

SO I'M GOING TO POWERS OF THIS.

PRESENT. JUST TALKING TO YOU.

SOMETIMES WE SAY NO.

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YOU CAN HANDLE SOME THINGS LIKE THIS.

YOU CAN STILL WRITE LIKE.

WHATEVER. AND STILL THERE.

MAYBE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING FOR.

YOUR SPIRITS AND.

EVERYTHING WE DECIDED.

WE DO THIS CONSTANTLY.

BECAUSE. YEAH.

WE HAVE TO THINK THERE'S A HIGHER HURDLE.

THERE WAS BLATANTLY A WRONG DECISION TO COME BACK TO IT, BUT.

OKAY, YOU GOT THE GEARS TURNING.

LET'S HEAR FROM YOU.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STICK WITH IT? OKAY, NOW THAT MEANS MORE TIME.

OKAY, WELL, I DO WANT TO INVITE THIS INTO A LARGER GROUP CONVERSATION, SO MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER 30S.

GET KEEP KEEP THE JUICES FLOWING AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THIS CONVERSATION.

AS FAR AS WHAT COULD BE OUTCOMES.

LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S THINGS.

YOU LOOK AT THE CITY.

COUNCIL MAKES A.

DECISION? YES.

VERY CLEARLY. 2020 FOR BOTH.

OF. THOSE GUYS READY TO.

SURE. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S CHECK IN WITH THESE GUYS.

READY TO BRING IT TO THE TRIGGER? SURE. EXCELLENT. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO BE OVER HERE IN THE CORNER, BUT STILL WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS.

SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? I CAN COULD SAY I WAS JUST TELLING THEM THE STORY AND I WON'T GO INTO IT NOW, BUT WE SAY NO BECAUSE NO IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.

AND SO WHEN SAY THAT, IT'S LIKE WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SAID, THAT'S THE ANSWER.

YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE VOTE IS, THAT'S THE VOTE.

AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO BACK.

WE DON'T WHATEVER MAKE CRAZY STUFF.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DON'T KNOW.

JUST IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE A TEAM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AND YOU STAND TOGETHER.

EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T VOTE THAT WAY.

BUT NOW THAT THE VOTE IS OVER, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

AND YOU JUST DEAL WITH IT.

THAT. THAT'S KIND OF NUTSHELL.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHARING WITH MY GROUP.

THE OTHER THING I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SAY WAS, ONCE THE DECISION IS MADE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DID HOLD STEADFAST TO IT AND THAT THERE'S VERY GOOD REASON TO REVISIT IT.

BUT YEAH, DECISIONS SHOULD HAVE SOME SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE.

WELL, YEAH, SOMETIMES THE DECISION WAS SO BAD WE DO NEED TO TO REVISIT IT.

BUT THAT'S A VERY SMALL ENOUGH.

I'LL GIVE ONE QUICK EXAMPLE A PREVIOUS COUNCIL.

THE AGREEMENT.

THAT WE WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE HARKINS THEATER AND MOVE HARKINS THEATER OUT TO THE MALL.

AND THEN PEOPLE WANTED ME.

AND THEN THE THIRD PARTY WAS THAT MR. CRUTCHFIELD WOULD GET TO BUILD A STUDENT HOUSING COMPLEX.

AND PEOPLE GOT REALLY MAD AT ME BECAUSE I VOTED FOR THEM.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT DECISION WAS MADE LIKE FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT WAS NEGOTIATED IN GOOD FAITH BETWEEN THREE PARTIES.

THEY ALL AGREED TO IT.

AND AND.

IT WAS INITIATED AND IMPLEMENTED AND WAS ONLY ONE LITTLE PIECE THAT HADN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

AND TO DOUBLE CROSS THAT PERSON WHO HAD IN GOOD FAITH, DONE EVERYTHING HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, WOULD HAVE BEEN BEYOND BELIEF TO ME.

SO MY MAJOR POINT IS, UNLESS THERE'S SOME DAMN GOOD REASON NOT TO, YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS, OKAY? AND RESPECT THE DECISIONS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL.

YOU'RE ON MY HEARING RIGHT THERE.

THE PRESENT COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS.

OH YEAH. YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA PARDON DECISION.

YOU GUYS WENT LIKE ALL THE WAY IN THE COUNTY IN THE FIFTH GRADE SPELLING BEE.

BUT DECISION STILL GETS ME.

AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT.

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JUST THE TOP ONE. IGNORE IT, MR. MCCARTHY. JUST WHAT MY TEACHER TOLD ME WHEN I WAS UPSET ABOUT THE SPELLING CHECKS ON COMPUTERS.

WELL, I'M A STICKLER FOR EDITING, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'LL ADMIT I'M A TERRIBLE SPELLER.

ALL RIGHT, WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? SO THAT SENSE OF RESPECT, OF DECISIONS OF COUNSEL IN TERMS OF TOOLS.

HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HELP EACH OTHER STAY ACCOUNTABLE? I THINK THE CLEAREST THING WE CAN DO, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT.

MAYOR EVANS REALLY ADVOCATED FOR VERY CLEARLY IN THIS VERY ROOM.

WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT WE'RE STEWARDS OF STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.

AND WITH EVERY DECISION WE MAKE AND WITH EVERY DECISION, WITH EVERY DECISION WE'VE MADE THAT WE CHOOSE TO REVISIT, WE ARE COSTING STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYBE IT'S IT'S WORTHWHILE TO DECIDE TO.

KEEP THAT DISCOURSE GOING.

BUT. UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BEAR IN MIND.

IT'S OUR OUR.

DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF THE DAIS LIGHTS DOWN THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

UH. GOT IT.

IT'S A REFLECTION OF THE TIME AND ORGANIZATION.

AND WE NEED WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT AND THAT.

BE GOOD STEWARDS OF IT. WHAT ELSE DO YOU GUYS WANT TO GET UP THERE AND SAW SOME YES COMMENTS IN THE CHAT.

MAYBE YOU CAN. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO TYPE, I CAN SUMMARIZE THIS COURTESY OF COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

IS THAT WHEN WHEN PUBLIC? INQUIRES AS TO A DECISION.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPEAK OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COUNCIL.

IN OTHER WORDS. UM.

REINFORCE THE RESPECT FOR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVEN IF THERE'S A DIVERGENCE OF.

PUPILS. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S.

IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE WE ALL ARE ASKED, YOU KNOW, AFTER SOME VOTES, WHY DID IT GO THIS WAY OR THAT WAY. AND.

TO. THAT'S TO THINK.

THAT'S. GOOD TO TELL PEOPLE THEY SHOULD SPEAK TO DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO? DISAGREE. OKAY, GREAT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU SAY TO THE CONSTITUENTS.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SAY I INVITE YOU TO SPEAK WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DISAGREED.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY SAY TO THE CONSTITUENTS IF THEY.

I'M COMING AT YOU AND TRYING TO GET YOU TO REVERSE A DECISION OR.

WAS A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE TOOK WE TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEBATED AND.

YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T TAKE DECISIONS LIGHTLY.

SO ONE THING I THINK THAT I'M MOST PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL FOR IS COMING PREPARED, RIGHT.

EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL DOES THEIR HOMEWORK AND REALLY LOOKS AT AN ISSUE.

AND SO WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A VOTE, I FEEL.

CONFIDENT THAT THEY'VE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK TO BACK UP THAT VOTE.

YOU'RE PREPARED. THE COUNCIL IS PREPARED.

YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WHEN YOU COME TO VOTE.

YOU'VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU CAN STAND.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, YOU CAN STAND WITH THE VOTE YOU MADE AS A COUNCIL.

THINK WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS MAKE IT PERSONAL, OKAY? TELL ME MORE. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S.

IT'S NO GOOD THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF POINTING OUT INDIVIDUALS.

UM. I VOTED THIS WAY.

SO SO SO SO SO VOTED THAT WAY.

UH. YOU CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ON THE TABLE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH FUNCTIONING GOVERNANCE.

AND SO WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID IS.

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UM, GETTING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL AND QUESTIONING THE MOTIVATIONS AFTER THE FACT.

THE TIME TO DO THAT IS DURING THE DEBATE.

GOTCHA. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE DON'T WANT TO TARGET THE INDIVIDUAL.

YOU WANT TO SAY, WE DEBATED IT.

WE CAME PREPARED, WE RESEARCHED, WE LISTENED.

AND AS A GROUP WE CONCLUDED.

THE VOTE IN THIS DIRECTION, AND THOSE ATTACKS CAN HAPPEN.

AND THEY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICE.

ATTACK THE ISSUE.

ATTACK THE ISSUE.

ATTACK THE ISSUE, NOT THE PERSON.

AND SO DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU WANT TO STICK WITH IT? OR HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU WANT TO STICK WITH IT? WELL, PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME SO DON'T LIKE HOW SO-AND-SO VOTED.

ADVOCATED THAT, I'LL JUST SAY, WELL, WAIT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTACKING ME BECAUSE I'VE SAID SOMETHING.

THAT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.

ANSWER THE QUESTION. YOU AGREE WITH THE FACTS THAT PUT OUT THERE, OR DO YOU THINK MY FACTS ARE WRONG? YES. ATTACK! ATTACK THE ISSUE.

ATTACK THE FACTS.

ATTACK THE LOGIC.

DON'T ATTACK ME AS A PERSON.

AND DON'T ATTACK HARRIS AS A PERSON.

SO LET ME ASK YOU GUYS THIS.

UM. DO YOU ALL? DOES ANYONE DISAGREE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION? UM, YOU SHOULDN'T GO FORWARD WITH IT.

SO DO YOU ALL AGREE THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION, STICK WITH IT? UNLESS AT SOME FUTURE TIME, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGERS HAD NEW INFORMATION ARISES THAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT NEEDS TO REVIEW THE PREVIOUS DECISION.

OKAY, SO BEING WILLING TO ENTERTAIN LIKE INSTANCES OF NEW INFORMATION AND BEING ABLE TO REVISIT A DECISION SEE PRETTY QUICKLY, NO COUNCIL IS BEHOLDEN TO PREVIOUS COUNCILS. SURE.

YEAH. UH, SO THAT'S PART OF RESPECTING THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND THE TURNOVER OF IDEAS AND NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES TO LIGHT.

AND THEN THERE'S THERE'S ALSO OTHER CONTEXTS, TOO.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WITH THE PETITION PROCESS OR THE REFERENDUM PROCESS, THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OUR VIEWPOINTS AGAIN.

AND HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO STAY OUT OF IT? YES. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, VICE MAYOR, IS THAT THIS CAN GET PRETTY STICKY.

BUT IT SHOULD NEVER BECOME PERSONAL WITHOUT.

BUT SHOULD NEVER BECOME PERSONAL.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THESE THREE THINGS I WANTED TO INVITE YOU TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE COUNCIL TO ACT AS A HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNANCE.

SO THAT HIGH PERFORMING TEAM.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DIG INTO EACH OF THEM AND.

YOU'VE MADE SOME KIND OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.

AS WE GET READY TO WRAP UP AND MOVE INTO THE NEXT SEGMENT.

WHAT IS STICKING OUT FOR YOU THAT THIS COUNCIL REALLY NEEDS TO WORK ON, OR THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ALREADY REALLY GOOD AT.

YOU GUYS MUST ALREADY BE GOOD AT SOMETHING UP HERE, RIGHT? YOU'RE. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A TON OF SUCCESS AS WE STARTED WITH THAT.

WE KNOW YOU'RE GETTING THINGS DONE.

YEAH. WHAT'S, UM.

OH, WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS OF THESE THREE BULLET POINTS.

WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL COULD IMPROVE ON? AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ALREADY REALLY GOOD AT.

LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE GOOD AT IT.

BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE.

BEING OPEN MINDED AND BEING A GOOD LISTENER.

OF THESE THREE THINGS. SO THAT'S KIND OF BE THAT FIRST ONE.

LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY THE FIRST ONE OKAY.

THAT WOULD POINT TOWARDS IN ORDER TO THINK, AS THE MAYOR SAID, IT'S ALWAYS ENTICING TO JUST TRY TO RESPECT EVERYBODY WHO'S

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COMING. UM.

BACK AT YOU.

AND, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR PUBLIC WHO ENGAGES THE PROCESS.

TURNING IN A PETITION IS A SACRED ACT.

IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DEEPLY RESPECT AND BUT PRIORITIZING AND REMEMBERING WHAT THAT DECISION MEANS IN TERMS OF STAFF RESOURCES.

OKAY, SO I'M HEARING ABOUT 2 OR 3.

IS IT CHALLENGING TO YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A TOUGH PART OF YOUR JOB.

YOU CAN ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND BETTER THAT THE NUMBER THREE LIKE SENSE OF UM.

OH IS NOT SEEING THIS SLIDE.

OH SEE IT NOW.

IT'S BACK NOW.

AND SHE SAID THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO NUMBER THREE BEING SOMETHING YOU GUYS COULD IMPROVE ON OR NUMBER TWO BEING SOMETHING YOU COULD IMPROVE ON.

THAT DISCERNMENT, PRAYING THE SACRED ACT OF SUBMITTING PUBLIC PETITION AGAINST THE RESOURCES THAT THEY SEE. THAT PROCESS WEIGHING THE SACRED ACT OF SUBMITTING A PETITION TO THE RESOURCES IT WILL TAKE TO GET INTO IT.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS THINK THIS COUNCIL COULD IMPROVE ON OF THESE THREE? POINTS OR LIKE SAID SOMETHING.

YOU'RE DOING REALLY WELL.

AND SEE.

WE NEED TO WORK ON SUPPORTING RESPECTING DECISIONS OF COUNCIL, PAST AND PRESENT.

THAT INCLUDES EXPRESSING AND OPPOSING DECISION MADE BY THE MAJORITY.

BUT BUT RESPECT THE PROCESS AND THE MAJORITY VOTE.

AND GUESS WHAT? I MIGHT GO BACK TO THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT.

AND OH, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE WHO SAID NOT ENGAGING? PEOPLE IN SPECULATION ABOUT YOUR COLLEAGUES.

AND. WHICH I'VE SEEN.

I'VE SEEN PREVIOUS COUNCILS, NOT ALL MEMBERS, BUT I'VE SEEN SOME MEMBERS OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS NOT DO THAT.

WELL. AND SO I THINK WE DO IT.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE DO IT PRETTY WELL, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

WAS THAT KIND OF STICKING WITH THE DECISION AFTER IT'S BEEN MADE? YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH. HELP ME OUT HERE, SOMEONE.

SO. MAYBE SHE CAN.

OH, YES. PLEASE.

PLEASE JOIN COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK ONE THAT WE DO REALLY WELL IS NUMBER ONE IN TERMS OF, UM, BALANCING ADVOCACY AND INQUIRY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THE ONE THAT I AT LEAST I PERSONALLY THINK I COULD WORK ON MORE.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL OF COUNCIL, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, WHAT I SAY TO FOLKS.

IF I'M TALKING TO LIKE THE PUBLIC ABOUT A COUNCIL DECISION, BUT IS NUMBER IS THE SECOND ONE, UM, BEING PICKY ABOUT WHAT WARRANTS A YES, I THINK I'M RIGHT THERE WITH THE MAYOR ON HOW CHALLENGING IT IS TO PRIORITIZE, LIKE CITIZENS PETITIONS AND EVEN SOMETIMES THE FARES THAT COME FROM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.

BECAUSE I, I WANT TO ALWAYS BE ABLE TO SAY I'M WILLING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

UM, AND IT GETS HARD TO PRIORITIZE IT OR TO SAY NO TO A PETITION IN PARTICULAR WHEN IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TELLING THE THE COMMUNITY IT'S NOT WORTH HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT.

SO I THINK WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE A PETITION FORWARD.

UM, JUST SAYING IT'S NOT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT, BUT WE'VE EITHER ALREADY MADE A DECISION OR THERE'S NOT ANYTHING NEW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S JUST THE HARDEST THING, I THINK, THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

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YES, IT'S A HARD THING.

YEAH, WELL, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT'S NOT OVER YET, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE PRIMED TO BE THINKING ABOUT USING YOUR DISCERNMENT, WHAT HEALTHY DEBATE LOOKS LIKE, HOW TO USE YOUR LISTENING SKILLS, AND ALSO WHEN TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION? OR IS IT WORTH THE RESOURCES TO DIG INTO THIS? WE'RE ABOUT TO WRAP UP HERE, BUT I WANT TO CLOSE OUT WITH THIS LAST BIT.

YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE PATRICK LENCIONI AS THE AUTHOR OF THE FIVE DYSFUNCTIONAL FIVE DYSFUNCTIONS OF A TEAM.

HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THAT ONE? YES. THIS ONE IS THE ADVANTAGE AND THIS RESEARCH COMES FROM THAT.

SO THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE JUST GONE OVER.

THESE ARE KEYS TO BUILDING A COHESIVE TEAM.

AND IT'S. KNOWING ONE ANOTHER'S UNIQUE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES, AND KNOW THIS IS A TEAM THAT'S BUILT ON TRUST.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY.

YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A SAFE PLACE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING UP YOUR OPINIONS.

YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR STRENGTHS AND SHARE YOUR CHALLENGES.

ALSO OPENLY ENGAGING IN CONSTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGICAL CONFLICT.

SO THAT'S THAT SENSE OF HEALTHY DEBATE AND USING YOUR DISCERNMENT, UM, AND THEN KNOWING WHEN YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT OR BEING ABLE TO LISTEN.

HOLDING ONE ANOTHER ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEHAVIORS AND ACTIONS.

THAT GOES IN WITH THIS OTHER POINT COMMITTING TO GROUP DECISIONS.

THESE ARE SOME KEYS.

THINK YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT CAN HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS BEING THAT STRONG TEAM, EFFECTIVE COUNSEL AND HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNANCE.

THAT. WE'RE GOING TO.

PAUSE FOR A MOMENT WHILE WE SWITCH UP THE SLIDESHOW, AND GREG AND STACEY WILL TAKE ON TO TALK ABOUT PETITIONS AND FAIR.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND THIS WAS A BEAUTIFUL SEGWAY.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO I WOULD ASK, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS UP, THAT YOU KEEP THE THOUGHTS THAT YOU'VE JUST EXPRESSED IN THE COMMENTS MADE, KEEP THEM FRESH IN YOUR MINDS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM THAT BIGGER DISCUSSION, THAT KIND OF DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE PRAYER AND PETITION PROCESS.

SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE SEGWAY.

ISN'T THIS GREAT? JUST TO. YOU'RE BACK UP.

BUT FIVE MINUTES. WE'LL RECONVENE AT TWO.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE LIVE.

SO JUST BE AWARE.

SEE. SO.

WE'RE BACK EVERYBODY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN BRINGING IT INWARD A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THAT THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.

IT'S A GREAT PREVIEW TO THIS, WHICH IS CITIZEN PETITION.

AND IT'S A BIT OF SOME HOUSEKEEPING HERE.

AND I WANT TO PREFACE, AT THE VERY GET GO, WE MIGHT BE SUGGESTING A FEW THINGS ON THIS, BUT BY AND LARGE THIS IS INTENDED TO.

UH, GET YOU THINKING ABOUT THINGS, AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO SUGGEST ANYTHING IS IN NEED OF FIXING OR OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE BROKEN, BUT RATHER TAKING THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION AND PUTTING IT AGAIN INTO PRACTICE, ALL INTENDED TO ENLIGHTEN AND PROVOKE A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT. SO WHAT'S THE FIRST SLIDE? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? STACEY. UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MECHANICS HERE? SURE. SO CITIZENS PETITIONS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF SET FORTH IN OUR CHARTER.

IT'S A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS CITIZENS TO BRING FORWARD ITEMS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE PETITION ITSELF REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 25 SIGNATURES, AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THE PETITION AND FOR IT TO APPEAR ON AN AGENDA.

UM, THE COUNCIL HAS 30 DAYS TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT PETITION.

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AND WHAT WE CONSIDER AS ACTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADVANCE THAT PETITION OR NOT ADVANCE THE PETITION TO A FUTURE, LARGER DISCUSSION, IF YOU WILL. SO THERE'S 30 DAYS FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION, AND WE HAVE TREATED THEM SIMILARLY TO FARE ITEMS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY COME TO YOU AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST.

WE LOOK RIGHT NOW FOR THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO SUPPORT MOVING THAT FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE AGENDA FOR A LARGER DISCUSSION OR NOT.

THAT'S THE PROCESS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. THE QUESTION.

OH OF COURSE. SORRY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT ONCE THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE ACTION AND TO MOVE IT TO A AGENDA, A FUTURE AGENDA, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT WE HAVE TO GET IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIED DATE.

IT ESSENTIALLY GOES INTO OUR LIST OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS.

AND WHEN STAFF IS PREPARED WITH INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL, THAT'S WHEN IT WILL BE SCHEDULED.

OH, REPRESENTATION.

OKAY. SO.

IF YOU KNOW A COMMUNITY MEMBER, BRING A PETITION, DO YOU? THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.

AND NOW THE STAFF HAS TO PREPARE.

WHO ASSIGNS.

HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE WHETHER WHEN STAFF DOES THAT? BECAUSE IT COULD BE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.

SIX MONTHS? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

GENERALLY, NOT A YEAR OR TWO.

PROBABLY MEASURED MORE IN MONTHS.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP A CHART JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN QUEUE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.

IT GOES INTO A QUEUE.

AND THEN LET'S COUNCIL GIVES US DIRECTION TO PRIORITIZE THINGS, WHICH IS GENERALLY NOT THE CASE.

THAT QUEUE IS GOING TO BE SEVERAL MONTHS.

OKAY. I WILL SAY TOO THAT SOME OF THAT IS ALSO DEPENDENT UPON WHAT THAT REQUEST LOOKS LIKE.

SOME THINGS REQUIRE A WHOLE LOT MORE STAFF TIME TO PREPARE THAN OTHERS, SO THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF DEVIATION THERE, JUST TOPIC DEPENDENT.

AND THE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE STAFF TO PUT IT TOGETHER IS THE 25 SIGNATURES THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE CHARTER.

CORRECT? THE MAGIC WORKS.

YES. OKAY, I'LL SPEAK TO THIS JUST A BIT, AND THEN YOU JUMP IN.

WE'RE DOING A LITTLE TAG TEAM HERE.

STACEY PUT TOGETHER THIS GRAPHIC.

WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK BACK SIX YEARS HERE, SHOWING YOU HOW THE PETITION PROCESS HAS INCREASED OVER TIME. BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT COLUMN, WHICH IS THIS YEAR, WE'RE STILL IN OCTOBER, SO THAT WILL LIKELY INCREASE.

UM, WHAT YOU CAN GLEAN FROM THIS IS CERTAINLY AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY, AS PETITIONS ARE NOW COMING IN WITH A LITTLE MORE FREQUENCY. UH, AND.

WE WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.

THEY ARE INCREASING IN IN VOLUME AND THEY'RE ALSO ARGUABLY INCREASING IN INTENSITY.

WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT HAVE COME YOUR WAY BY VIA THE PETITION PROCESS HAVE BEEN VERY WEIGHTY.

YOU WERE ASKED EARLIER THIS YEAR TO TAKE A POSITION ON ABORTION.

HARD TO THINK OF A MORE WEIGHTY TOPIC, AT LEAST IN CURRENT TIMES, AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND.

BUT, UM, NOT ANYTHING LIKE YOU WERE ASKED BY PETITION TO.

TO SEVER YOUR OUR BANKING TIES WITH WELLS FARGO.

HUGE TASK AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.

UM, YOU'VE HAD THREE PETITIONS ON.

PICKLEBALL. THE.

THE INTENSITY, BY AND LARGE, AS A GENERAL STATEMENT, HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE EVIDENT.

ALONG WITH THAT IS KIND OF A NECESSARY OUTCOME IS THE INCREASE IN STAFF AND COUNCIL.

UH. PREPARING FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS, HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN DEALING WITH THE OUTCOMES OF THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ALL LABOR INTENSIVE, IF YOU WILL.

AND. FREQUENTLY, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN OVERREACH IN SAYING THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO PUSH OTHER ITEMS ASIDE.

IT TYPICALLY DOES. SO THE OTHER COMMENT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS FREQUENTLY, NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT

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IT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT WHAT IS COMING YOUR WAY VIA PETITION.

MEAN THAT LIES NEATLY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE.

ABORTIONS, A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT.

AND WE CAN DEBATE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT IS PROPER DISCOURSE TO HAVE AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL AND THINK THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF OPINIONS ON THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR MUNICIPAL SCOPE IN TERMS OF THE THINGS WE OVERSEE AND DO, THE FUNCTION OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY EVIDENT.

YOU HEARD VERY EARLY ON IN THE DAY, YOU HAD A BIG DOSE OF WATER RATES AND WASTEWATER RATES, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO.

WE WE OVERSEE A WATER UTILITY.

AND TONS OF PROJECTS THAT GO WITH THAT, ALL TOWARD THE OBJECTIVE OF PROVIDING A GOOD WATER RESOURCE.

AS STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCE, BUT PROVIDING RELIABLE WATER TO OUR COMMUNITY AND PROPERLY TREATING THE EFFLUENT.

ONCE THAT WATER IS USED THROUGH WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED WATER.

THESE ARE CORE SERVICES THAT THE COMMUNITY PROVIDES, THAT THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDES.

THAT IS JUST ONE OF MANY, MANY EXAMPLES OF WHAT LIES WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE.

BUT AGAIN, DON'T THINK IT'S AN OVERREACH TO SAY SOMETIMES THOSE THOSE BOUNDARIES COULD BE STRETCHED BY VIRTUE OF WHAT COMES YOUR WAY IN A PETITION.

UH, I RECALL ONE PETITION EARLIER THIS YEAR ASKING COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT, NUCLEAR WEAPON DISARMAMENT, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

THAT DID NOT ADVANCE.

IT'S EASY FOR ME TO USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT NEVER GARNERED ENOUGH TRACTION TO FIND ITS WAY OUT OF THE AGENDA ITEM BEYOND THAT INITIAL DISCUSSION.

UM. THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHERE PETITIONS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT ENCROACHING INTO ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS. THE PUSH TO SEVER OUR BANKING TIES WITH WELLS FARGO, IN MY OPINION, IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

UM. YOU KNOW, THAT IS LARGELY WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SPHERE THAT WE OPERATE.

COUNSEL, OF COURSE, IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

COUNSEL IS ALWAYS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

YOU'RE A PART OF IT IN TERMS OF APPROVING THE CONTRACTS THAT FORMALIZE THESE ARRANGEMENTS.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PETITION ASKED US TO SEVER TIES, YOU KNOW, IN MIDSTREAM, IN A CONTRACT THAT GOES FOR ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE RENEWALS, IF I RECALL.

UM, AND THEN, AS WE HEARD, I THINK VERY JUSTIFIABLY, FROM OUR FINANCE TEAM.

WE CAN'T DO STUFF LIKE THAT.

YOU DON'T SEVER, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT THAT IS SO INVOLVED.

YOU TAKE THIS CITY'S ENTIRE.

PAINTING NEEDS AND AND ALL THE MANY ACCOUNTS AND ALL THE ADMINISTRATION THAT GOES WITH IT.

AND THINK OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO UNDO THAT, PUT IT INTO PROCUREMENT, AND AWARD IT TO ANOTHER BANK THAT IS EASILY MULTIPLE A YEAR ENDEAVOR.

AND IT SHOULD BE SO.

LONG WINDED WAY OF EXPLAINING THAT SOMETIMES THESE PUSHES TO DO THINGS ADMINISTRATIVELY.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TOO VOCAL ABOUT THAT AT THE COUNCIL DAIS, BUT I DON'T MIND SHARING WITH YOU THAT WITH THIS RETREAT.

UM, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE FOR US.

AT THE STAFF LEVEL.

THAT'S VERY TOUGH. AND SOME OF US WERE GETTING A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS WITH THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WE CAN'T DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY.

WE SIMPLY CANNOT DO THIS.

FORTUNATELY, COUNCIL AGREED AND IT DID NOT ADVANCE.

I MEAN, IT ADVANCED, BUT THERE WAS NOT A YES VOTE TO DO IT.

THE. THE TOTALITY OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE PETITIONS ARE COMING IN WITH MORE FREQUENCY.

THEY'RE TOUCHING ON MORE TOPICS.

SOME OF THE TOPICS ARE GETTING VERY, VERY WEIGHTY, AND SOME OF THE TOPICS ARE CLEARLY GOING BEYOND THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE AND AT TIMES GOING INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ARENA.

YOU DRIVE VERY WELL.

THERE WE GO. SO I'LL LET YOU START WITH THIS.

SURE. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY COVERED.

A GOOD PORTION OF THIS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

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ACTUALLY, JUST THE RIGHT SIDE KIND OF SHOWS YOU VISUALLY WHAT THE LAST SIX YEARS OF CITIZEN PETITIONS HAVE LOOKED LIKE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE TOPICS WE'VE TOUCHED, LIKE I SAID ON THESE, A NUMBER OF THESE ALREADY, BUT JUST TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT KIND OF SPECTRUM OF THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE US HERE.

UH, NO. IT'S GOOD YOU'RE NOT EXPECTED TO READ ALL THE PRINT HERE.

THE IDEA IS THE VISUAL IS.

YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF PETITIONS HAPPENING.

I THINK I MIGHT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TO MENTION.

THAT WE AGREE WITH THE EARLIER COMMENTS BY THAT YOU MADE VICE MAYOR, THAT THE PETITION PROCESS IS A SACRED PROCESS MIGHT NOT BE MY EXACT DESCRIPTOR, BUT I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU MEAN AND AGREE WITH IT.

IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT AND AND IT IS EMBODIED IN OUR CHARTER.

AND OUR CHARTER IS OUR CONSTITUTION FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AND IT REPRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO COME FORWARD AND BRING THEIR MATTERS TO YOU AS THEIR ELECTED BODY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO WE WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE FRANKLY ALL RESPECT IT, JUST LIKE WE RESPECT THE PROCESS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A BIT.

WE ARE AGAIN, JUST BRINGING SOME THINGS HERE, MOSTLY IN THE INTEREST OF ENLIGHTENING AS TO WHAT THE STATUS IS THESE DAYS WITH THE PETITION PROCESS AND THEN THE NUMBERS AND THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

KIND OF BEAR THAT OUT WITH IT.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. STACEY.

SO SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO OR YOU'RE A FAST DRIVER.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND SPEED RADAR.

IT'S LIKE MOVING ON ITS OWN THAT.

I DON'T LIKE TOUCHING IT.

YOU WENT WAY TOO FAR.

CONSIDERATIONS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THIS AGAIN TIES TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION A BIT.

THESE ARE DIFFERENT WORDS WE'RE USING HERE.

DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES, BUT IT'S THE SAME.

IT GOES TO THE SAME DISCUSSION.

UH, WE SUGGEST AS CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, WHEN COUNCIL'S PRESENTED WITH A PETITION, SOME THINGS SHOULD ALWAYS COME TO MIND.

SOME QUESTIONS. IS IT A MUNICIPAL ACTION? IS IT WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE? UH, THERE'S A CONCERN POLICY OR THERE'S A CONCERN ADMINISTRATION.

HAS IT BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED? THIS GOES TO THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD TO.

IF IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED.

ARE YOU COUNSEL SIMPLY BEING BARRAGED WITH THE SAME PETITION, EITHER TO GET YOU TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT OR TO TRY TO INFLUENCE YOU, TO MAYBE CHANGE YOUR MIND? YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT. WHEN YOU START SEEING A PETITION OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW.

AND CIRCUMSTANCES HAVEN'T CHANGED.

FACTS HAVEN'T CHANGED.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED? BEFORE I TOUCH ON THE NEXT ONE ABOUT REQUISITE NUMBER OF VOTES, I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING AND IT GOES BACK AGAIN TO VICE MAYOR AGAIN, SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT I THAT I WROTE DOWN, AND I THINK IT STEMS FROM SOMETHING YOU HEARD FROM FORMER MAYOR EVANS, WHICH IS WE ARE COUNCIL ACTS AS STEWARDS OF STAFF AND RESOURCES, STAFF, TIME AND RESOURCES.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

AND I WOULD ADD TO IT, STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES ARE PAID THROUGH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

SO CONNECTING THE TWO.

UH. YOU ARE STEWARDS OF THE EXPENDITURE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS ASKED OF COUNT OF STAFF.

AND RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED TO THAT.

EVEN THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT APPEAR SIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THINGS THAT MIGHT ON THE SURFACE BE A LITTLE BIT LOOK TO BE A LITTLE BIT EASY.

IF THERE'S STAFF TIME INVOLVED.

THERE'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS INVOLVED.

IT'S A NECESSITY. IT'S A NECESSARY OUTCOME.

I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED, BUT I'LL RESTATE SOMETHING THAT WAS A PRINCIPLE THAT WAS STATED THERE. THAT IS NOT BREACHING ANY CONFIDENCES HERE.

AND THAT IS. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN WE MAY NEED TO HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON ON SOMETHING, OR JUST SAY WE

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HAVEN'T REACHED RESOLUTION.

BUT IN THE INTEREST OF NOT EXPENDING MORE STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES, OR STATED DIFFERENTLY, IN THE INTEREST OF NOT SPENDING MORE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADVANCE THIS.

AT LEAST NOT AT THIS TIME.

I SUGGEST THAT IT IS ALWAYS A LENS THROUGH WHICH WE SHOULD VIEW THINGS.

IT ISN'T. STOP NOT WANTING TO WORK.

STAFF LOVES TO WORK.

HE LOVES SERVING THE COMMUNITY.

HE LOVED SERVING AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL IS ELECTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

THIS IS THE PROFESSION WE HAVE ALL CHOSEN.

BUT. THE THINGS WE DO ARE ALL AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR TAXPAYERS, AND THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS ASKED AND SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT BE PUSHED ASIDE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS WITH WHAT WE DO.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? YOU HAVE ALL OF MY POINTS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO.

LOVE IT. I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THE POWERPOINT I'M GOING TO LET YOU BROACH THE LAST BULLET ITEM.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT ME TO JUMP IN, I CAN.

SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

OKAY, GREAT. UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE COVER THE LAST BULLET AND THEN WILL HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT BULLET? OKAY, FANTASTIC.

ALL RIGHT, SO AGAIN, UNDER CONSIDERATIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD THROW OUT THERE FOR CONVERSATION CONSIDERATION IS SHOULD THE REQUISITE NUMBER TO ADVANCE A CITIZEN PETITION TO A LARGER DISCUSSION BE INCREASED FROM THREE TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY AND SUGGESTED THAT THIS FIND ITS WAY TO THE SPRING? AGAIN. WE'RE NOT.

SAYING THAT ANYTHING IS BROKEN.

I DO THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME ARTICULATE THIS BEFORE.

I THINK THE THE PETITION, THE FAIR PROCESS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, GETS A LITTLE CLUNKY SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THIS THREE VOTE, FOUR VOTE METHODOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST PETITION PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE.

BUT THINK.

OF BOTH PROCESSES, A QUESTION SHOULD BE HAD, WHICH IS IS IT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TO ONLY REQUIRE THREE VOTES TO SEE SOMETHING ADVANCED TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA? UM, TREATED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.

WHY IS IT NOT A SIMPLE MAJORITY? YOU KNOW THAT THAT ADVANCES SOMETHING UNDER THE PREMISE THAT.

WELL, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY TO.

AND IF YOU'RE LACKING MAJORITY TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE POINT IN ADVANCING IT? SO WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE IF THREE WERE TO ADVANCE IT, BUT IT TAKES FOUR ULTIMATELY TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.

DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE TO SEE IF THAT MAJORITY EXISTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, RATHER THAN AT THE END OF THE PROCESS? WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION.

COUNCILMAN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THE FAIR PROCESS, NOT ON THE PETITION PROCESS, BUT THE IDEA OF THREE VOTES, THREE VOTES IS NOT IN THE CHARTER.

THREE VOTES IS COUNCIL PROCEDURE, RIGHT? OKAY. IS PREDICATED UPON, YOU KNOW, A A DIVIDED COUNCIL AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE. WHO MIGHT COMPRISE A MINORITY VIEWPOINT TO NEVERTHELESS ADVANCE A CERTAIN TOPIC TO THE AGENDA.

GET THAT? WE ALL GET IT.

THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS, IS THAT STILL NEEDED? IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A SIMPLE MAJORITY? COUNCIL MEMBER YOU GOT A QUESTION ON THIS? DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVEN'T.

OKAY. PLEASE. UM, WE JUST SPENT AN HOUR OR SO TALKING ABOUT OPEN MINDEDNESS AND COMMUNICATION AND THE THINGS THAT MAKE A GOOD COUNSEL.

MUTUAL RESPECT.

NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WENT ON BEFORE YOU WERE A CITY MANAGER? YEAH, WE USED TO HAVE A MAYOR.

HIS NAME WAS JERRY DAVIS.

AND UNDER THAT PERIOD.

THEY HAD A VERY EFFECTIVE STONEWALLING.

OF. THEN IN CONVERSATION, PREVENTING OPEN MINDEDNESS.

AND WHAT IT WAS IS IT REQUIRED FOUR VOTES TO MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD.

AND DURING THIS PERIOD THERE WAS PEOPLE LIKE PAUL EVANS AND CELIA BARRETTS AND WHOEVER THAT WANTED TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME THINGS.

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BUT THE JERRY NEIGHBORS COALITION STONEWALLED EVERYTHING.

SO WHEN I WAS FIRST ON COUNCIL, VERY DELIBERATELY CHANGED THE RULE TO SAY IT ONLY TAKES THREE VOTES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

SO I HAVE BEEN AROUND IN OBSERVING THIS COUNCIL, BOTH ON IT AND BEFORE I WAS ON IT.

AND SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE THREE VOTE SYSTEM WORKS.

AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION WHICH ALLOWS ONE BLOCK IN THE COUNCIL AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SNOW, BUT WE DIDN'T ASK AND WE VERY WELL COULD IN THE FUTURE.

SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY WE SHOULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

MY OBSERVATION OVER THE LAST DECADE OR MORE IS THAT THIS WORKS A LOT BETTER, AND I'M NOT DISCOUNTING ANYTHING YOU SAID, GREG, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF, YOU KNOW, IS THIS POLICY, IS THIS ADMINISTRATIVE, IS THIS A WASTE OF COUNCIL OR OF STAFF'S TIME? AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME PRETTY WELL.

I'M PRETTY RESPECTFUL OF STAFF'S TIME.

AND I NEVER ASKED THE STAFF TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH YOU.

BUT I, FOR ONE, FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE LAST DECADE HAS SHOWN THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM WORKS WAY BETTER THAN THE SYSTEM THAT LENDS ITSELF TO STONEWALL.

AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE AWARE OF THE ORIGIN OF THE POLICY.

YEAH. THE POINT IS THAT YOU YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T HERE THEN, SO YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE IT.

BUT I AM CERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM BACK THEN PROBABLY DID EXPERIENCE IT.

THAT'S MY THING.

I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK.

THERE'S SOME LOGIC TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHY DO WE MOVE IT FORWARD IF THERE'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE? WELL, I THINK PART OF IT IS, I'LL SAY THIS.

WHEN I WAS IN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, I PROMISED MYSELF I WOULD NEVER MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON A VOTE BEFORE I HEARD ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.

SO I THINK THERE'S TIMES WHEN PEOPLE GO, I DON'T THINK I'D SUPPORT THAT.

BUT THEN IF THEY'RE OPEN MINDED AND THEY LISTEN TO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, THEY MIGHT SUPPORT IT.

BUT IF WE CUT THINGS OFF BY THAT ONE EXTRA VOTE, THEN WE NEVER HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, WHICH THIS MORNING WE ESTABLISHED AS BEING VERY IMPORTANT INDEED.

WE DID THAT. THANK YOU.

AND BEFORE WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, AND IT'S A COMMON DISCUSSION TO THE FARE PROCESSING AS WELL.

REALLY WHAT IS BEING.

SUGGESTED, AS MENTIONED.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT IS.

BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THIS IDEA OF GOING FROM THREE BOATS TO FOUR BOATS AND THEN OSTENSIBLY SOMETHING BEYOND THAT FOUR BOAT THING GETS IT'S VERY AWKWARD.

AND I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF STREAMLINING, AND WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THIS AT THE VERY END OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL BROACH IT NOW IS.

CAN WE JUST DISPENSE WITH THAT TWO TIERED PROCESS AND GO WITH ONE TIER PROCESS AND ASSUME IT'S THREE VOTES? JUST SAY. IF THERE'S THREE VOTES TO ADVANCE SOMETHING, IT GETS ADVANCED AND THE NEXT TIME COUNCIL WILL SEE IT, IT WILL BE A FULL ON AGENDA ITEM OR A WORK SESSION TOPIC THAT HAS ALL THE NECESSARY STAFF RESEARCH AND INFORMATION GOING INTO IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN INFORMED DISCUSSION.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS KIND OF CLUNKY OR AWKWARD DISCUSSION OF, WELL, WAS THIS A THREE VOTE THING OR WAS IT A FOUR VOTE THING? IT GOES RIGHT FROM THREE VOTES TO SWAGIT AGENDA ITEM.

GONNA COME INTO THAT.

SURE. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAS A COMMENT.

WELL, THE BEAUTY OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS YOU ONLY LIMIT.

FOR THE FIRST WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL TO STAFF TIME.

I THINK IT'S EIGHT HOURS STAFF TIME.

WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS, OKAY, WE'LL GO FROM THREE VOTES TO A FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION, WHICH MIGHT BE 60 HOURS OF STAFF TIME.

IT VERY WELL COULD BE. AND IT GOES TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION OF HOW THINGS GET ON THE QUEUE AND WHEN THEY GET PREPPED FOR COUNCIL, AND THEN HOW THEY FIND THEIR WAY.

CAN I ASK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? I THINK THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THAT IS.

WHILE IN THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE NOW KIND OF THIS DEDICATING OF EIGHT HOURS IN THAT FIRST STEP, I THINK STAFF IS ALSO STRUGGLING A BIT WITH IN ORDER TO BRING FORWARD A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION, TO GET TO THAT NEXT STEP.

IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS JUST TO HAVE A QUALITY PRESENTATION THAT COMES TO COUNCIL THAT HAS ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT CAN ANTICIPATE THOSE QUESTIONS AND THINGS THAT MIGHT COME FROM FROM YOU AS COUNCIL.

AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN HARD FOR STAFF TO NAVIGATE LIKE THAT EIGHT HOUR AMOUNT OF TIME, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING FORWARD A PRODUCT EITHER.

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THAT DOESN'T.

THAT DOESN'T WASTE YOUR TIME, RIGHT? BECAUSE STAFF HASN'T PUT INTO IT WHAT IS NECESSARY.

SO THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS ELIMINATION OF THAT KIND OF SECOND STEP, IF YOU WILL, COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IN ONE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION IS A QUALITY.

WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK.

UM, I'M OPEN MINDED ABOUT THAT.

SECOND STAFF, THAT SECOND STEP.

THINK I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO STAFF.

FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE THREE VOTE TO GET IT TO DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SPENCER MATTHEWS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I DEFINITELY AM VERY STRONGLY SUPPORTING THAT.

IT NEEDS TO BE A MUNICIPAL ACTION.

AND THE CITY MANAGER BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF THE ABORTION PROCLAMATION, WHICH WAS JUST A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

AND I DID THE HAND COUNT ON THAT.

AND THAT WAS A THREE FOURTHS OF THE EMAILS AND OUTCRY THAT WE HAD WAS AGAINST IT.

YET WE STILL MOVE FORWARD ON IT, WITH THE ONLY OUTCOME BEING MORE DIVISION IN OUR CITY.

AND YOU'VE GOT I WONDER, WHY WOULD WE TAKE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS IS SO POLITICIZED? WE HAVE OUR PERSONAL, UM, FEELINGS ON THAT.

BUT IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO CITY GOVERNANCE.

UM, I DON'T THINK HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH A PETITION.

AND BECAUSE WE CAN'T CHANGE THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES REQUIRED, WE DO HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO TO MANAGE THAT.

AND STAFF TIME DOES EQUAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AND I FEEL THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PUBLIC FUNDS.

WE DON'T HAVE AN OPEN CHECKBOOK, WE DON'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED CREDIT CARD.

AND SO EVERY ACTION THAT WE TAKE, WHETHER NECESSARY OR NOT, THERE'S A PRICE, A PRICE TAG TO THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.

UM, DOES IT CONCERN POLICY? UM. I'M NOT SURE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY FOR AND AGAINST ARGUMENTS FOR THAT.

HAS IT BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED? I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES.

AND SO EVEN IF AN ISSUE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED, IT MIGHT BE NOW NEW, MORE RELEVANT.

BUT WE COULD CONSIDER AT LEAST HAVING THAT PRESENTED TO COUNSEL WHEN A PETITION COMES BEFORE US TO ALERT US THAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE OUTCOME.

AND THEN TO JIM'S POINT, UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO KEEPING IT AT THREE VOTES BECAUSE AGAIN, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION.

WE'RE JUST GIVING A HEAD NOD TO THERE'S ENOUGH VALIDITY IN IT THAT WE WANT TO HEAR THE PROS AND CONS AND TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO, UM, I, I SWAY TO JIM'S SIDE ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THOSE BULLET POINTS BECAUSE I BEFORE MY FIRST DAY SWORN IN, WHEN I WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF TOWNS AND CITIES, AND THEY HAD A PANEL DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS AND I PUT IT IN THE CHAT, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MESA MAYOR SAID THAT THIS CAN TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF TIME AND COUNCIL TIME AND TIME AT THE DAIS, AND SO THEY PUT IN SIMILAR ACTIONS TO AT LEAST NARROW THE SCOPE OF, UM, CITIZEN PETITIONS THAT CAME BEFORE THEM, BECAUSE IT CAN TAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.

AND AGAIN, 25 SIGNATURES TO BRING SOMETHING THAT OUR TIME COST CAN BE, YOU KNOW, HOURS UPON HOURS, UM, AND TAKING US AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS THAT ARE SET ON THE AGENDA.

SO I'M VERY I'M VERY STRONG ON THE IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A, A DECISION ON THAT IMPACTS CITY GOVERNANCE.

AND THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY FOR NOW.

INSIDE CURSE. I'M REALLY SENSITIVE TO STAFF TIME BECAUSE THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT.

AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN I'M SENDING EMAILS, PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO ME AND I KNOW IT'S WAY AFTER THE TIME THEY SHOULD BE OFF WORK.

SO I'M REALLY SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, TO TO THAT AND HOW MUCH TIME PEOPLE SPEND DOING THIS JOB.

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I'M ALSO WANTING US TO BE REALLY, REALLY CAREFUL BECAUSE I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF THE THAT IS TEN, 12 YEARS AGO.

AND THAT IS SOMETIMES USED TO QUIET VOICES THAT YOU DON'T WANT AT THE TABLE.

NOT REALLY. SO DON'T THE THE BIG VIEW AT THE TABLE.

AND SO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KIND OF THINK THIS THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WHAT HAPPENED TEN, 12 YEARS AGO, WE'RE NOT GETTING OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION WHERE IT COULD WHERE THAT COULD BE A FUTURE GOAL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COUNCIL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT WHO'S HERE.

I MAY NOT FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT PEOPLE WHO COME AFTER THIS COUNCIL AND THEIR ABILITY TO BE FAIR AND TO TREAT PEOPLE WITH JUSTICE.

SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

BUT JUST HERE, I'M REAL SENSITIVE TO STAFF TIME, AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT WILL PUT MORE ON THEIR PLATE.

THAT NEEDS TO BE SO.

VERY GOOD COMMENTS. THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.

WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEARING SOME THINGS THAT CERTAINLY APPEARS TO HAVE.

YOU KNOW, PHOENIX SEEING CONSENSUS FORMING ON THAT.

AND AGAIN, TO RESTATE WHAT DID AT THE OUTSET, THE IDEA HERE IS TO GET YOU THINKING ABOUT SOME THINGS AND NOT NECESSARILY THINKING IN A SPECIFIC DIRECTION.

SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

CAN WE GO ON TO THE FAIR PROCESS? I THINK WE CAN. YEAH.

ONE THING I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE COUNCIL THINKS REGARDING THE MUNICIPAL ACTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN IN THE DECADES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FROM TIME TO TIME, ISSUES THAT ARE OF MONUMENTAL IMPORTANCE BEYOND FLAGSTAFF.

AND AND SO DIFFERENT COUNCILS HAVE TAKEN UP.

DIFFERENT TOPICS, AND I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THIS BECAUSE I DO SEE HOW IT CAN TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME AND IT CAN BE DIVISIVE.

AND I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK.

CONCENTRATED DOES THIS HAVE? I'M SORRY. RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE JUST CONSIDERATIONS.

THERE'S NO TEETH TO THIS RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRIORS CHARTERED.

RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A PROCEDURE, RIGHT? IT'S A PROCEDURE.

IN THESE THINGS, WE COULD CHANGE.

THE RULES ARE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE THE RULES ON ARE CITIZEN PETITIONS ARE CONCERNED IS THE 30 DAYS IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO ACT UPON IT, AND THE 25 SIGNATURES ARE CORRECT.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND JUST WANT TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO GET SOME CLARITY THERE.

UM. IT'S IT'S LIKE NAILING JELLO TO THE WALL, THOUGH, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHATEVER WE DEFINE AS WITHIN SCOPE OF A PETITION, I THINK PETITIONERS ARE SAVVY ENOUGH.

TO DEFINE THE PARTITION IN A WAY THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO.

PUT THIS IN A BOX.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M NOT SPEAKING VERY CLEARLY.

BUT YOU ARE SPIRIT AND.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT PROCEDURES BE DRAWN AND PARAMETERS BE ESTABLISHED HERE.

IT COMES TO THE DAIS AND AS YOU'RE RENDERING YOUR DECISIONS, THESE CAN BE CONSIDERATIONS TO BE HAD OR IT CAN BE FORMALIZED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS WHAT THE MAYOR IS ASKING, IS ASKING OF HER COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? UM, WE'RE NOT COMING HERE SUGGESTING THAT IT BE FORMALIZED, BUT WE ARE COMING SUGGESTING THAT IT BE A CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROCESS.

SO THERE MY RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE.

I THINK IT'S BEST TO LEAVE THIS TO THE GROUPTHINK.

I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO COME TO EACH PETITION.

WITH YOUR LENS. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

WE'RE HAVING THIS OPEN DISCUSSION, THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

I'M. HOW CAN WE BE GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND STAFF TIME? UM. IT WILL HELP US TOO.

IT WILL HELP INFORM US IN HOW WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS.

UH. BUT TO TO TO TRY TO CREATE.

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SEE PARAMETERS AROUND IT.

I'M NOT. EXCUSE ME.

I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO GO THAT ROUTE.

I THINK WE CAN DISCERN BETWEEN THE SEVEN OF US.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING COME FORWARD OR THREE PEOPLE REALLY WANT.

AND I AGREE, WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING MINORITY VOICE.

THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

UH. WE CAN TRUST MY SIX COLLEAGUES UP HERE.

AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE EVERY TWO YEARS.

IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL.

THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD HAPPEN WITH EACH ORIENTATION OR THE TEACHER COUNCIL.

I HESITATE TO OVERTHINK THIS AND GET TOO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT.

VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THAT, KEVIN.

AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

YEAH. I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THESE CONSIDERATIONS, HAVE NO COMMENT.

IF YOU DO GO DOWN THAT PATH OF TRYING TO BUILD IN SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION IN THE CODE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THE CHARTER RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD ASSUME WOULD BE IN THE CODE SECTION REGARDING ADDITIONS, BUT I'D BE HESITANT TO SIGN OFF ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

DEFINITELY TALK TO STERLING ABOUT THAT.

OH, YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE VICE MAYOR ADAMS GOING WAS YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKING ABOUT CONSIDERING.

CONSIDERING THESE THINGS OR ACTUALLY BUILDING SOMETHING IN AS A RESTRICTION IF YOU WANT TO GO THE LATTER.

YEAH. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

TO BE CLEAR, THESE WERE PUT UP HERE JUST AS THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND AS, AS WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN THESE PETITIONS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING PROCESSED.

MAYOR DID GO OUT. I'M JUST SAYING, COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

UM, SO I'M.

I'M IN AGREEMENT ON A LOT OF WHAT, UM, VICE MAYOR WAS JUST SAYING.

AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION COMING FORWARD FROM YOU, MAYOR, ON THAT TOPIC IN PARTICULAR.

UM, I, I WANT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE VIEWPOINT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS IN TERMS OF THE CHALLENGE OF ADDRESSING CITIZENS PETITIONS THAT COME FORWARD THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF POLICY ACTION OR MUNICIPAL.

UM, I DO THINK THAT I, I AM MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT VICE MAYOR SHARED ABOUT NOT BECOMING OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE IN THIS, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST NOTE THAT IF THAT WAS OUR CONCERN, UM, I DO THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO BRING THOSE SORTS OF THINGS FORWARD TO US.

UM, AND HAVING ANY SORT OF RESTRICTION ON THAT IN TERMS OF THE CITIZEN PETITION PROCESS DOES NOT PREVENT THE TOPIC FROM COMING BEFORE US AS AS COUNCIL, WHETHER IT WAS INTRODUCED AS A FARE ITEM BY ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER OR, UM, ANY NUMBER OF OTHER WAYS THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT COME UP.

SO. JUST THROWING THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT THAT WHEN VICE MAYOR WAS MAKING HIS OBSERVATIONS THAT CAME TO MY MIND, UM, IF WE.

IF WE KEEP THE THREE VOTE.

UM REQUIREMENT.

AND WE DON'T LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHAT PETITION SUBJECT MATTER CAN BE.

THEN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE, HEARD SAY EARLIER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION TO. SEEM LIKE WE'RE NOT LISTENING OR HEARING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME.

SO SOME GUIDELINES IN THERE.

THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING IN MORE AND MORE PETITIONS, AND THEN WE ARE FORCED WITH MAYBE A HARDER DECISION TO NOT MOVE IT FORWARD.

AND THEN WE'RE RELAYING THAT TO THE CITIZENS WHO BROUGHT IT TO US THAT WE DON'T CARE OR WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSEQUENCE OF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THAT IF WE DON'T PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS IN, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO EITHER NOT MOVE IT FORWARD AND MAKING OUR CITIZENS FEEL LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS, OR GIVING SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT HELP KIND OF NARROW THE SCOPE AND NARROW THE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE PETITION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT THERE FOR NOW.

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COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS AND VICE MAYOR.

OKAY. UM.

OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BRING STUFF TO US, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE BRAVE ENOUGH.

TO TAKE A STAND.

WE EITHER WE SAY, I'M WE'RE ONE OF THE THREE VOTES OR WE'RE NOT ONE OF THE THREE VOTES.

AND AND WE CAN'T CAN'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO WORRY ABOUT.

ALL 70,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO LIGHTEN BECAUSE THEY SCAPEGOAT FOR OR DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT.

SO WHEN THAT PETITION COMES FORWARD, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOLKS IF DON'T VOTE FOR IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE WHAT SAID OR WHAT DID, AND I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST IT'S HARD.

SITTING ON THIS DAIS IS HARD.

UM, AND, AND WE MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS EVERY TIME WE GO UP THERE.

UM, AND WE JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.

BUT THE REASON THAT ALL OF US RAN FOR OFFICE IS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND NOBODY TOLD US IT WAS GOING TO BE EASY.

NOBODY TOLD US THAT EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO LIKE AND LOVE US.

IN FACT, I CAN REMEMBER TELLING SOME OF US THAT EVERYBODY'S NOT GOING TO LIKE YOU BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE.

AND WE HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THAT.

OTHERWISE, THIS IS NEVER, EVER GOING TO WORK.

NEVER. MY SUMMER AND MY THOUGHTS GO MORE BACK TOWARDS MATTHEW'S OBSERVATION.

I MIGHT THINK OF IT FROM A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE UP TO EACH COUNCIL, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE.

IF WE ALLOW OURSELVES THE DISCERNMENT TO TRUST THE GROUP WISDOM ON WHAT MOVES FORWARD AND WHAT DOESN'T, THAT WILL ORGANICALLY PLAY OUT WITH EACH PETITION.

BUT IF, IF WE'RE IF IF WE GET INTO THE PATTERN OF SENDING THE SIGNAL THAT IT'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR, WE MIGHT START TO SEE LESS CITIZEN PETITIONS COMING THROUGH.

SO THERE'S A FEEDBACK TO THIS.

WHERE WE CAN HAVE AN INFLUENCE AND WE CAN NOT, CAN NOT CONTROL WHAT THE WHAT THE PUBLIC DOES.

BUT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIALITY FOR SENDING A MESSAGE THAT THE PETITION PROCESS WITH THIS COUNCIL IS PRETTY HIGH BAR TO MEET. AND YOU WANT TO BE VERY.

YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT START TO SEE THE TOOL USED LESS.

I THINK WE WERE ALL SO EAGER TO MAKE SURE THESE CONVERSATIONS WENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAD THE OPPOSITE STARTING TO HAPPEN, WHERE IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PUBLIC HAD AN EASY WAY TO GET ON THE AGENDA.

AND WE CAN SORT OF WE CAN SORT OF SWITCH THE SIGNALS THERE.

BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO.

ORGANIZE A CONSPIRACY AROUND THAT.

WANT TO END WITH WHAT? STARTED BY SAYING IS THAT THAT DISCERNMENT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE ORGANIC.

IT'S GOING TO BE CASE BY CASE, AND IT'S IT'S WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST EACH OTHER.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE GROUP IS GOING TO COMES OUT OF THAT PROCESS.

SOME OF THESE THINGS DESERVE TO COME FORWARD.

MANY OF THEM WILL NOT MEET THAT STANDARD.

IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS HOW WE DO THAT.

BUT THE PUBLIC COULD START GETTING THE MESSAGE THAT IT'S A PRETTY HIGH BAR, AND THAT WILL HELP THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.

BUT ALSO JUST WANT TO MENTION, TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THESE THINGS COME TO THE DAIS.

UM, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT I HAVE PUT FORWARD FAIRS IN MY ROLE AND MY MY.

UM. MY PREROGATIVE AS AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF CITIZENS.

SO THE CITIZENS DON'T JUST HAVE TO COME TO THE AGENDA THROUGH THE PETITION PROCESS.

IT IS WELL AND GOOD FOR CITIZENS TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO CAN AGAIN ADVOCATE FOR THEIR CAUSES, AND AT LEAST SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO EVEN IF WE DO DO ALL OF THIS AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO THERE'S GOING TO BE WAYS TO REWORK A PETITION TO MAKE TO MAKE IT FIT.

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AND THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER PROCESSES THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE TO BRING THINGS BEFORE MAYOR AND COUNCIL REGARDLESS.

THANK YOU FOR A VERY THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.

THAT BRINGS US TO THE FAIR PROCESS.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY PARALLELS BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND YOU JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE THAT VICE MAYOR.

SO THANK YOU, STACEY.

IF YOU CAN WALK US THROUGH THE MECHANICS AND THEN I MIGHT SPEAK TO THE LAST BULLET.

SURE. SO JUST AS CITIZEN PETITIONS ARE A WAY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BRING FORWARD FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, THE FAIR PROCESS IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH COUNCIL HAS THAT SAME ABILITY.

SO. THERE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO POSSIBLE POLICY FORMULATION.

I HATE TO JUST READ FROM THE SLIDE, BUT IT'S JUST A GREAT SENTENCE AND NOT.

AND NOT NECESSARILY AS A MEANS OF OBTAINING INFORMATION OR MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

OR I THINK YOU COULD EVEN ADD KIND OF SOME OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REALM AS WELL, TO SOME EXTENT.

WE ASK THAT THOSE FARE ITEMS BE REQUESTED IN THAT TOO, FROM SECTION OF OUR AGENDA THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWS THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION REQUEST TO HAPPEN IN AN OPEN MEETING, BUT IT GIVES US A WAY AS STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REALLY MONITOR WHAT'S BEING ASKED.

AND AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, THAT THAT'S HOW IT GETS THERE.

ONCE WE GET THE REQUEST IN, WE GET IT SLATED FOR A DISCUSSION OR ACTUALLY NOT SO MUCH A DISCUSSION, BUT RATHER KIND OF A.

AND A PLACE ON THE AGENDA WHERE COUNCIL CAN THEN GIVE US THAT HEAD NOD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION AT A FUTURE TIME.

THANKS AND WANT TO TOUCH ON THE LAST BULLET, WHICH READS THE FAIR PROCESS IS A GOOD AND THOUGHTFUL METHODOLOGY, AND EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT SUGGEST SOME REFINEMENTS, THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SMALL REFINEMENTS.

BUT I WANT TO BRIEFLY SPEAK TO HOW WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD PROCESS.

IT'S REALLY A PARALLEL AGAIN TO THE PETITION PROCESS, WHICH IS A CREATURE OF OUR PART OF OUR CHARTER.

AND OF COURSE, WE RESPECT THAT, AND WE RESPECT THE RIGHT OF OUR CITIZENS TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER POLICY MATTERS OR OTHER MATTERS.

AND WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT UNDERLYING RESPECT.

VERY SIMILARLY, THE FAIR PROCESS IS ONE BY WHICH YOU, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, COULD ADVANCE AN ITEM.

I WORKED IN A JURISDICTION WHERE, BY THE WAY, IS COMMON TO TO ALWAYS SEE THE MANAGER HAVE SOME VESTED AUTHORITY WITH SETTING AGENDAS.

THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF IT EXISTS HERE WITHOUT ANY METHODOLOGY IN PLACE.

WHAT HAPPENS IS THE MANAGER GETS LOBBIED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FORMULATE AN AGENDA AND TO GET, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND IT HAPPENS.

SO METHODOLOGIES COME ABOUT BY WHICH THAT IS A LITTLE BIT NEUTRALIZED, IF YOU WILL.

AND IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION I WORKED WITH, THEY HAD WE HAD A WEEKLY AGENDA SETTING MEETING AND THE ROTATION OF COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO EVERY WEEK ALWAYS THE MAYOR AT THE TABLE, BUT EVERY WEEK THE COUNCIL PERSON WOULD, WOULD SIT IN AND SUGGEST THINGS.

SOMETIMES THEY WOULD GET ON THE AGENDA OR NOT.

THERE WAS A DISCUSSION. IT WASN'T THE GREATEST APPROACH.

I LIKE THIS APPROACH.

AND OTHERS MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEMOCRATIC AND THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS IN THE FORUM DISCUSSION.

SO IT ALL HAPPENS DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND IT WORKS BY AND LARGE.

AGAIN, WE'LL OFFER UP SOME REFINEMENTS, BUT I THINK PERSONALLY IT'S A GOOD PROCESS AND ONE THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE THERE'S A GREAT IMPORTANCE ATTRIBUTED TO WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA.

AND YOU SHOULD NEVER JUST RELY UPON YOUR MANAGER TO GET THE AGENDA RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE TO IT.

IT'S BIGGER THAN ONE PERSON.

SO. SO ONCE WE GET THE INITIAL REQUEST, LIKE I SAID, IT GETS PLACED ON AN AGENDA UNDER THAT FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST SECTION.

RIGHT NOW, WE SEEK THE SUPPORT OF THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADVANCE THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC TO A LARGER DISCUSSION.

WE'VE MADE MENTION BEFORE THEY'RE PLACED IN A QUEUE BASED ON THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED.

THERE IS A MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE AN ITEM ADVANCED BEFORE OTHERS, THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS I THINK WE AS STAFF ARE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE ITEMS OF HIGH INTEREST ARE.

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AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW THAT WE'VE JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY SAID WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OUT THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THINK PICKLEBALL IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT? WE JUST KNEW THE SENSITIVITY OF THE TIMING.

AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I TRY TO DO IS DO A PERIODIC CHECK IN WITH YOU GUYS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS ON OUR KIND OF OUR QUEUE RIGHT NOW.

IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF ONE.

WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THINGS.

THANK YOU. GREG, BUT IT ALSO CAN BRING SOME ATTENTION TO THE WORKLOAD THAT STAFF IS ALSO BALANCING WITH THESE PIECES.

DISCRETION. THERE YOU GO.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

I DON'T EITHER. JUST TRYING TO HIT THIS CURSOR IN A LITTLE CIRCLE, AND IT'S LIKE WAVING ON MINE.

THERE YOU GO. SO THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF OUR CURRENT FARE ITEMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT ITEMS ON THERE THAT ARE DATING BACK TO LAST YEAR.

UM, I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROCESS HERE IS STAFF WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BRINGING FORWARD GOOD INFORMATION TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THESE THINGS.

THAT DOES TAKE TIME.

AND. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST IT'S TRYING TO BALANCE THAT TIME WITH OUR CURRENT WORK PROGRAM WITH THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT A FAIRLY DECENT LIST HERE OF THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE IN THE QUEUE, IF YOU WILL, AND PENDING FUTURE DISCUSSION.

YEAH. IF I COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.

YEAH. DRIVE FOR A WHILE.

I'M IN. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO BACK REALLY QUICK.

I HOPE YOU GUYS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO KIND OF SEE THAT.

UM, I SEE THAT AS MISSING ONE OF MY FARES.

WHICH ONE? UM.

DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE QUEUE ABOUT REVISITING THE CITY LEVEL? YEP. YEP. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT THAT ONE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

SECOND, DID YOU SWITCH THAT SLIDE OUT ON ME? YEAH. OKAY.

SORRY. NO, IT'S ALL GOOD.

ALL GOOD. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT SPEAKS TO KIND OF HOW THINGS CAN GET LOST IN THERE.

THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY, FRANKLY, IF COUNCIL KIND OF LOOKS AT THIS AND IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT IS SO MUCH.

NEEDED AT THIS POINT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL TO PULL THAT OFF OF THE QUEUE.

TO DO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE FOUR OF YOU TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.

I'M CERTAINLY NOT HERE TODAY TO TO NECESSARILY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO, BUT KNOW THAT THAT'S ALWAYS THERE.

GREG SAID EARLIER THAT THIS ISN'T A METHOD TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

THIS IS FOR POLICY DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE TIMES? I KNOW I'VE ASKED FOR FARES TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S A POLICY COURSE THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS CAN BE DIRECTED OR REQUESTED TO PROVIDE A CCR, WHICH IS A STAFF REPORT TO COUNCIL DOING JUST WHAT YOU ARTICULATED.

YOU KNOW, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT A TOPIC.

BUT FALLING SHORT OF AN ACTION ITEM.

SO THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT. ANOTHER SLIDE IF WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADVANCE THIS.

WE ALWAYS CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

NOW, GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST RELY UPON YOUR MANAGER TO PRODUCE AGENDAS.

THERE HAS TO BE A THOUGHT PROCESS AND SOME METHODOLOGY GOING INTO THAT.

BUT IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO BE DIRECT TO YOUR QUESTION.

IT. THERE'S NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE OR OUT OF PLACE WITH JUST ASKING THE MANAGER, EITHER AT THE DAIS OR IN OUR MEETINGS, SAY, CAN I GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS? GENERALLY, IF WE GET THAT REQUEST, WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT TO ALL OF COUNSEL BECAUSE OF ITS RELEVANCE TO ALL OF COUNCIL.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROBABLY COMING TO MIND ON THAT TOPIC.

AND, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCENES WE'RE WORKING HARD TO GET.

INFORMATION TOGETHER ON SOME LAND USE CONFLICTS OCCURRING EAST OF THE CITY.

MANY, MANY OTHER THINGS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T QUITE EQUATE TO A FAIR OR A CITIZEN PETITION OR A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.

BUT WE HEAR FROM COUNSEL, WE'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION.

WE WANT TO BE INFORMED SO THAT WHEN WE DO RESPOND TO OUR CITIZENS, WE KNOW BACKGROUND AND STARTS WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.

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SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FAIR WOULD BE AFTER A COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVES THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY NEEDED, AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANT TO ENACT A POLICY BASED ON THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD SCENARIO.

YEAH. AND THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS NOT NEEDED.

THAT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PERSON JUST WANTS TO SEE SOMETHING STATED FOR ACTION.

THE FOLLOW UP TO A COMMENT I JUST HEARD.

I THINK IT WAS STACEY THAT SAID.

UH. DARK WAS DARK ABOUT THE IDEA OF THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE SOMETHING UNFAIR LIST.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT YOU SAID FOUR VOTES TO GET IT OFF.

WELL, THE RULE IS THREE VOTES TO PUT IT ON.

SO ONE WEEK LATER THE OTHER FOUR VOTED AGAINST, IT COULD OVERRULE THE THREE VOTE.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE IT OFF.

IT SHOULD TAKE FIVE VOTES.

AND SO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE THREE SAY PUT IT ON THESE FOUR NEXT WEEK, SAY TAKE IT OFF THIS WEEK, LET'S PUT IT BACK ON.

LET'S TAKE IT OFF.

NO, IT SHOULD BE FIVE VOTES.

IF IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.

AND I THINK THERE ARE CASES THAT'S TRUE.

IT SHOULD TAKE FIVE VOTES.

TO RESPECT THE THREE VOTE TO PUT IT ON.

WELL, CAN WE LAUNCH INTO SOME CONSIDERATIONS HERE? AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOUNT IT.

I JUST WANT TO YEAH.

DISCUSSION. SO LET'S HAVE YEAH.

SIMILAR CONSIDERATIONS AS TO THE PETITION PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD COUNSEL TO BE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED.

IS IT MUNICIPAL ACTION.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING ON.

SOMETIMES THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED ADMINISTRATIVELY? AND MANY TIMES THAT IS ALSO THE CASE.

AND AGAIN IT MIGHT BE AS SIMPLE AS CAN CAN YOU GET US INFORMATION ON THIS OR COULD YOU GET THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS, AS ONE EXAMPLE, HAS HAS A PENDING FAIR ON HAVING THE SENIOR HOUSING PLAN INCLUDED IN OUR STAFF REPORTS AS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN AND CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN.

AS A AS A REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, A CHECK TO SEE, OKAY, IS THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC OR ITEM AS BEING IN THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN? WELL, WE'LL PURSUE THAT AS A FAIR IS COMING YOUR WAY.

I'M HOPING THAT BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS, WE ALREADY HAVE IT RESOLVED AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY.

SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FIX THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, DISPENSE WITH THE NEED FOR A FAIR ITEM, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF THREE VOTES.

WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ON THAT.

UM, NOW, SOME SUGGESTIONS TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS.

YOU'VE HEARD ME CHARACTERIZE THIS AT TIMES AS BEING A LITTLE BIT CLUNKY OR RIGID, BUT YOU ALSO ARE HEARING FROM US SAYING IT'S A GOOD PROCESS, IT'S A METHODOLOGY THAT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT INTACT.

BUT BUT MAYBE WITH ROOM FOR SOME REVISIONS TO TO SIMPLIFY IT.

ONE IS TO ALLOW SOME LATITUDE IN HOW THE FAIR IS FRAMED, THE DISCUSSION.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY WHEN SOMETHING IS JUST BROACHED IN THE TO AND FROM PART OF THE AGENDA SAYING, I WANT TO ADVANCE A FAIR ITEM CONCERNING LAW.

SO WE GET THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE LATITUDE IN HOW IT'S FRAMED.

AND YOU KNOW, HOW YOU EXPRESSLY STATE SOMETHING AT THE VERY END OF A LONG MEETING SHOULD NOT SERVE TO PUT UP GUARDRAILS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT LATER ON.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LATITUDE IN HOW IT IS FRAMED.

WE CAN CONSIDER ADDING PHRASES, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE TOPIC.

THAT'S SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF INCLUDING.

ANY AND ALL DISCUSSION ITEMS GERMANE TO THIS TOPIC, OR INCLUDING DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW.

BRAIN DAMAGING EXERCISE OF TRYING TO ARTICULATE WITH PERFECT SPECIFICITY WHAT'S GOING TO BE.

WHAT IS THE FAIR ITEM ABOUT? IT'S A COMMON I'M SORRY, IT'S A COMMON, A COMMON, YEAH, WE USE A COMMON AND NO.

AND THE ATTORNEYS WILL ADVISE US WE NEED TO STICK TO OUR AGENDA ITEMS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE WE AT ALL NOT DO THAT, BUT THINK THERE ARE TIMES WITH THE FAIR PROCESS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM COUNSEL.

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WE CAN'T REWRITE THE CITIZEN PETITIONS, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND REFRAME OUR COUNSEL, FAIR ITEMS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ENCAPSULATING EVERYTHING THAT WANTS TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND ADDRESSED.

THAT COULD REALLY HELP SIMPLIFY, BECAUSE ALL TOO OFTEN WE HAVE TO.

WE'VE SEEN IT REWRITE FARE ITEMS TO GET IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME AND THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY.

UM, AND THEN BACK TO WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.

OUR OFFICE COULD ADMINISTRATIVE ADVANCE ITEMS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A FARE ITEM WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.

AND WE'RE GLAD TO DO THAT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S SUFFICIENT TO DO THAT.

SO THOSE ARE SUGGESTED SIMPLIFICATIONS.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? THINK IN TERMS OF THAT FIRST POINT ON KIND OF ALLOWING LATITUDE.

THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND IS THAT STAFF.

SOURCES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, YOUR REQUEST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALLOWS FOR A BROADER CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, AND NOT SO MUCH WITH THE CITIZEN PETITIONS, BECAUSE LIKE GREG SAID, WE CAN'T REWRITE THOSE.

BUT WITH THE FARE ITEMS, I THINK FROM A FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE TO WHEN YOU'RE HAVING KIND OF THIS CONVERSATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ADVANCE AN ITEM, TRY NOT TO BE SO PRESCRIPTIVE ON WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS EXACTLY, AND USING THAT TO PERHAPS DEVIATE A BIT, BUT THINK WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE.

BROAD AND HOW WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT I THINK THAT THAT ALSO GIVES YOU GUYS THE PERMISSION TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD AND, YOU KNOW, MOVING AWAY FROM WELL, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR FAIR SAID, EVEN THOUGH THE CONVERSATION IS A BIT RELATED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES I THINK. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE FAIR PROCESS? COMMENTS. THOUGHTS? THIS? YEAH, THIS.

JUST A DISTINCTION.

PERHAPS EXCEPTIONS TO PROVE THE RULE.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FIRST.

SLIDE ABOUT FARE ITEMS. HERE YOU GO. UM, YEAH.

THERE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO POSSIBLE POLICY FORMATION, AND NOT AS A MEANS OF OBTAINING INFORMATION OR MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

I JUST TO BE SQUIRRELY HERE? I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE USED FABRIC TO MAKE POLITICAL STATEMENTS, AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD THING TO DO.

UM. OUR LAND.

ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

FULL STOP. AND THAT WAS INITIATED THROUGH A FAIR PROCESS.

IT HAPPENED TO BE ME.

THINK OTHERS COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE THOUGHT TO DO IT.

UH UH, ISSUES THAT ARE VERY GERMANE TO THE FLAGSTAFF REGION, SUCH AS URANIUM MINING.

UM, OUR TRIBAL NEIGHBORS THINK I THINK I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT SECOND BULLET POINT IS A SLAM DUNK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THINGS IN BOX.

UM. AGAIN, THIS IS A DISCERNMENT PROCESS THAT I THINK WE WILL FIGURE OUT CASE BY CASE AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THERE ARE THERE ARE SEVERAL TIMES WHICH THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE WORTH US MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

I THINK IT DOES WASTE.

OUR RESOURCES.

IT CAN CREATE DIVISIONS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY AND IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO CITY BUSINESS.

THERE ARE OTHER TIMES WHEN POLITICAL STATEMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN, AND THEY'RE JUST APPROPRIATE. YEAH.

SO BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S BETWEEN SEVEN OF US TO SORT OF.

THANKS, VICE MAYOR.

APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

WOULD OFFER A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD VIEW THAT AS A POLITICAL STATEMENT TO HAVE A RECITAL THAT IS STATED NOW, NOT JUST PRECEDING EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT PRECEDING EVERY COMMISSION MEETING AND AND ELSEWHERE, NO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OR SOME OF THE OTHER.

SACRED PROCEDURES THAT WE ADHERE TO.

OUR TOLERANCE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A POLITICAL STATEMENT AT THAT POINT.

IT IS IT IS A PROCESS THAT IS PART OF YOUR MEETINGS AND YOUR COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE INSTITUTIONALIZED. AND.

YOU KNOW, I CAN TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND SAY THAT THIS COUNCILOR IN THE COUNCIL, DIRECTLY BEFORE IT PUT TOGETHER THE INDIGENOUS COMMISSION, HAS GIVEN

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GREAT AUDIENCE TO THE INDIGENOUS CIRCLES OF FLAGSTAFF AND IS HAS APPROVED A FUTURE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER, AND THE LIST GOES ON.

JUST THIS LAST WEEK.

THIS WEEK. TIME DOES GET BLURRY.

A CELEBRATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND SO I TEND TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THERE BETWEEN THAT THAT LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS A POLITICAL SPEAKING PARADIGM. YEAH. TO THINGS LIKE URANIUM MINING AND THE BEAR SPEARS PROTECTION AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.

I GET IT THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MAY WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OR DISCOURSE TO THAT AND GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT.

AT THE END OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE WERE LETTERS AND SOMETIMES RESOLUTIONS TO TO FORMALIZE THAT.

AND AGAIN, I'M MAKING A DISTINCTION THERE AS WELL.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, BACK TO BEARS EARS AS AN EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A FAIR ITEM, AND I BELIEVE THE FAIR WAS REQUESTING THE CITY TAKE A POSITION, WHICH THE CITY DID.

AND THEN WE AUTHORED A LETTER AND SENT THAT OFF.

AND EVERYTHING WAS GREAT.

SO. MAYBE IT DOESN'T FALL NEATLY WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL SCOPE, BUT.

BACK TO YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS.

THINK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

THAT'S SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO WRESTLE WITH.

SORRY TO BRING IT UP. JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THERE AND I THINK EVERYTHING YOU SAID TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.

BUT I DO STAND BY MY MY CHARACTERIZATION THAT OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS A DECLARATION OF VALUES.

AND IT'S A DEFINITION OF TERMS. IT'S POLITICAL BY NATURE.

HANSEN.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. OH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

SORRY. WASN'T SURE IF YOU WOULD CALL ON ME.

UM, SO, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF DIP INTO THAT CONVERSATION THAT VICE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER JUST HAD.

UM, IT'S KIND OF THE ROOT OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE MAYBE A NEED TO FURTHER DEFINE WHAT'S WHAT'S MEANT BY MAKING A POLITICAL STATEMENT? BECAUSE SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT STATEMENT WERE, WERE SIMILAR TO VICE MAYORS, JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE THE THE MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE RENAMING OF THE PEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM. I THINK THEY KIND OF BRIDGE A GAP OR SOME BLURRY LINE BETWEEN EXCUSE ME BETWEEN POLICY AND POLITICAL STATEMENT.

SO I THINK IT MIGHT JUST BE SOME GENERAL DISCOMFORT WITH THAT PHRASE.

UM, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT FALLS INTO ONE MORE THAN THE OTHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT THAT SECOND STATEMENT IS AIMING TOWARDS IS DEFINITELY A GOOD THING.

AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH FAIR ITEMS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE WE NEED TO DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE LANGUAGE THERE.

RIGHT. AND POLITICAL STATEMENT.

KIND OF. TO ONE PERSON, IT MIGHT NOT BE A POLITICAL STATEMENT, BUT TO ANOTHER PERSON IT FEELS LIKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CONVERSATION FROM THE LAST FIVE MINUTES.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DIGITIZE THE ANALOG WORLD.

SO MY MY POINT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE MADE ON A CASE BY CASE.

YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SAY YES, IT'S SAD OR YES, IT IS CASE BY CASE DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL.

MY OTHER POINT IS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS DEFINED TO TAKE PAIRS OFF THE LIST.

IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE TELL ME.

WE DO. IT IS YOUR COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE.

IT IS THAT OR VOTE TO.

I THINK KEVIN CAN PROBABLY QUICKER THAN I CAN BRING THAT UP TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WELL, AS I POINTED OUT BEFORE, THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE IT TAKES THREE VOTES TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE YOUR RULES.

AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY ABLE TO BE AMENDED AS AS THE COUNCIL WOULD SEE FIT.

SO PUT THAT ON YOUR.

BACK OF YOUR MIND LIST FOR THE FUTURE.

NOT FOR TODAY. YEAH.

NO. YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY.

YOU SHOULD GO FIRST. IT'S NOT WRITTEN.

BUT THINK THINK IT SUPPORTS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT SAYS IF THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP IT ON, THREE IT STAYS ON.

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SO ESSENTIALLY YOU DO NEED FIVE TO.

THAT'S HOW I'M READING IT. OKAY.

INTERESTING. YEAH.

WHAT'S YOUR PRICE WHEN WE GO OVER THE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. YEAH.

IT'S JUST IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHERE YOU WOULD BE.

FIVE. IT'S WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT REVERSE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE.

YOU CAN TAKE IT OFF. BUT IF THREE PEOPLE OBJECT TO IT AND SAY THEY WANT TO KEEP IT ON, THEN IT STAYS ON.

SO ESSENTIALLY. OKAY.

NO, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT. GOOD.

THANK YOU. THAT'S HOW I READ MATTHEW'S.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD JUST A FEW MORE COMMENTS.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DISCUSS MORE ON HOW TO DEFINE WHAT A POLITICAL STATEMENT IS BECAUSE AS COUNCIL MEMBER, HARRIS BROUGHT UP THE RENAMING OF THE PEAKS.

THAT ACTUALLY IS AN ACTION ITEM THAT IF IT MOVES FORWARD, UM, WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING.

AND THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, AS THE CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED WAS SOMETHING THAT WE IMPLEMENTED AND UTILIZE IT EVERY MEETING.

AND SO, UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME VAGUENESS, BUT I THINK THAT JUST THOSE TWO EXAMPLES SHOW THAT PEOPLE SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE, UM, HAVE THOUGHT THEY WERE POLITICAL STATEMENTS, BUT BECAUSE THE END RESULT WILL END UP IN AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN IMPLEMENT INTO THE CITY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE DEFINING DEFINITION WILL BE.

BUT I, I LOOK FORWARD TO A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, IF WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HAVE A BETTER DEFINITION OF, UM, WHAT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE POLITICAL IN NATURE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON. SO JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE $0.02 IN.

THANK YOU. KNOW THAT 15 MINUTES SOUND GOOD FOR.

I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ON. YEAH.

THANK YOU. I THINK IT MAYBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NON-BINDING RESOLUTIONS.

SOME THAT HAVE NO FURTHER ACTIONABLE DELIVERABLE TO THEM.

JUST A THOUGHT. THANKS.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR A THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.

AND AT THE RISK OF RESTATING THINGS, THIS WAS TO PROVOKE THOUGHT AND BRING ABOUT DISCUSSION AND NOT NECESSARILY TO DIRECT OUTCOMES.

SO MAYOR MAY SHIFT GEARS TO THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.

DO SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT.

WELL, IT'S BEEN AN ARRAY OF VERY GOOD TOPICS TODAY, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD ONE AND ONE THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING TO YOU.

CITY COUNCIL INITIATIVE FUND.

THIS WAS. HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLACE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW AND HAS NOT BEEN USED A LOT.

THE FUND, I BELIEVE, IS $25,000 A YEAR.

IT DOES NOT HAVE PARAMETERS, DO NOT HAVE CRITERIA.

WE OF COURSE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW PROCUREMENT ON MATTERS THAT, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER THRESHOLDS OR THRESHOLDS ARE TRIGGERED. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO ALWAYS BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR BUDGET.

SO IN THAT VEIN, THE CITY COUNCIL INITIATIVE FUND IS BUDGETED EVERY YEAR.

AND BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATED TO ANY THING.

IT'S JUST THERE TO UTILIZE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.

THE PURPOSE IS TO ENABLE COUNCIL'S EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS FOR ITEMS NOT NECESSARILY ANTICIPATED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

THAT CAN RUN THE WHOLE GAMUT OF POSSIBILITIES.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION TO SEE AN EXPENDITURE.

SO IT'S NOT AN INDIVIDUALIZED, BUT IT'S A COUNCIL FUND.

SO GENERALLY IT HASN'T BEEN USED AND GENERALLY AND IT'S NOT A THING THAT ROLLS OVER.

SO IF IT'S NOT USED YOU KNOW THE MONEY GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

UM. AND AGAIN, NO PARAMETERS.

RECENT EXAMPLES OF EXPENDITURES INCLUDE THE MOVIES ON THE SQUARE, WHICH I THINK WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES. YEAH, THE LIST GOES ON.

THESE ARE OUTSTANDING REQUESTS.

ADOPT THE PLANET AT THE LOWELL OBSERVATORY.

THE SISTER CITY SPONSORSHIP.

THIS WAS AT THE DAIS RECENTLY.

YOU MIGHT MAY RECALL THAT DISCUSSION.

THINK REGINA SOLIS ADVANCED THIS IDEA.

THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE HAS ALSO BEEN SUGGESTED.

WELL, WE CONTRIBUTED TO IT LAST YEAR.

OKAY. UM, THINK WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR.

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JUST NOT. OKAY. BUT THERE IS A REQUEST.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE THINK THESE ITEMS. WITH COUNCIL'S NOD OF THE HEAD.

WE CAN SLATE THOSE FOR FORMAL ACTION.

IT CAN BE A CONSENT ITEM OR SOMETHING ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

BUT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SOME QUICK DISCUSSION OF THIS.

WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING NEAR THE END OF OUR TIME AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS GOING FORWARD.

WHAT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE.

ABOUT WHAT? A DOCTOR PLANET AND SISTERS CITY SPONSORSHIP.

WHAT IS THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MEAN WHAT? WHAT WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE 3500 OR THE 10,000? AND HOW MUCH IS A POET? THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE MEAN? NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION OR WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW, RIGHT.

WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION OF IT NOW.

YEAH. AND SO WELL WANTED TO TALK PROCEDURALLY.

PLEASE DON'T KNOW THAT.

LET ME REPHRASE THAT. SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING REQUESTS THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL? UH, I KIND OF FEEL THAT THE SPARTANS SHOULD BE RELEGATED TO REQUESTS THAT COME FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THEMSELVES.

OTHERWISE, THIS LIST IS GOING TO GET A LITTLE LONG, REALLY QUICK.

AND IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT THIS KIND OF REQUEST, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, COMES THROUGH CITIZEN TO COUNCILMEMBER, BUT THAT'S STILL A BIT MORE OF A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE THAN SOMEONE USING PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.

HOWEVER WORTHY AND MERITORIOUS THE REQUEST IS TO JUST HAVE THAT POPULATE OUR OUR DEBATE OR DISCUSSION.

UM. I'M DOCTOR. IS THERE ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THAT? TOTALLY AGREE. OKAY.

THEN THAT HELPS WITH THIS BECAUSE I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE ITEMS, WE WILL WAIT FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER IF THERE IS DESIRE TO SUGGEST IT.

COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY SUGGESTED FIRST ONE WAS STATED AT THE DAIS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BY THE MAYOR SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.

SO. YOU WOULD WANT TO GET INTO WHAT IT IS.

RIGHT? THAT SO? I THINK A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TOOK A TOUR OF LOWELL'S NEW DISCOVERY CENTER.

AND IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SCALED REPLICAS OF ALL THE PLANETS, AND THEY ARE OFFERING SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANYONE TO SPONSOR.

AND WE JUST KIND OF CHATTED ABOUT, WOULD WE WANT TO SPONSOR A PLANET? AND THE PLANET WE TALKED ABOUT WAS EARTH, AND THAT'S THE COST OF SPONSORING EARTH.

ALONG THE WAY. SPONSORED FOR AND WHAT WE GET.

OH, IT WOULD BE OUR SPONSOR.

IT WOULD BE FOREVER.

AND IT WOULD JUST SAY SPONSORED BY FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL, SPONSORED BY FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT'D BE AN ONGOING.

IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE THE THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTING ROLE IN THEIR ACTIVITIES, THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AT THEIR DISCOVERIES.

AND DO KIDS GET IN FREE OR DO THEY HAVE TO PAY? IS. IT'S LIKE. IT'S LIKE GETTING A PLAQUE ON A CHAIR OR.

YEAH, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M ASKING ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO HOW ARE KIDS GOING TO SEE THAT? THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HAS SPONSORED PLANET EARTH.

DO THEY HAVE TO PAY TO GET INTO THE EXHIBIT TO SEE IT? IS WHAT I'M ASKING, DO THEY PAY TO GET IN NOW? AND I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT.

THERE ARE THERE. I KNOW THEY DEFINITELY HAVE FREE, FREE EVENINGS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME AND AND VIEW THROUGH THE TELESCOPES.

I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THEY HAVE PAID.

YEAH, I GUESS THERE IS.

THERE IS AN ENTRANCE FEE.

I GUESS THERE'S TWO. THERE'S PROBABLY FIELD TRIPS THAT ARE THERE THROUGH THE SCHOOL, BUT.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE $10,000, AND WHO'S GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO SEE THAT SPONSORSHIP.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

ANYBODY COULD WALK DOWNTOWN AND SEE THE MOVIE OF THE SQUARE.

WANT TO KNOW, CAN ANYBODY WALK INTO LOWELL AND SEE THE PLANET EARTH? SPONSORED BY CITY COUNCIL.

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THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. STACEY FOBAR SAYS CHILDREN AGE 5 TO 17 ARE $17 FOR ADMISSION, AND FOUR AND UNDER ARE FREE.

AND THEN HEIDI SAYS THEY'LL BE CREATING PLAQUES WHEN YOU SPONSOR.

YES, I UNDERSTAND FROM CHAT HERE THAT DISCOVERY FLAGSTAFF IS ALREADY SPONSORING THE PLANET AND DISCOVERS FLAGSTAFF AS PART OF FLAGSTAFF. SO IN EFFECT, THEY'RE ASKING US TO.

DOUBLE DIP. OH, YEAH.

EARTH DOESN'T TAKE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE HOLDING IT FOR US.

OKAY. DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS TO US.

MAYBE IT DOES.

WELL, IN FACT, I MEAN, WE COULD, BUT THE POINT IS, THE CITY'S ALREADY DOING THIS.

NOW THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.

YEAH. SO THE MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE ARE ASKING.

AND THEN AS FAR AS SISTER CITIES AND YOUTH POET LAUREATE, ARE THOSE BEING PROPOSED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER? YES. WELL, SISTER CITIES WASN'T.

ALTHOUGH COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE SHARED THAT SHE SUPPORTED IT AT THE DAVIS YOUTH POET LAUREATE.

THIS IS THROUGH THE BOOK FESTIVAL, WHICH WAS STILL TRYING TO GET A MEETING WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT.

THE HOW THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE IS, IS.

WITH THE PROCESS IS TO BECOME ONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL SUPPORT THE YOUTH POET LAUREATE LIKE THAT.

BE A PART OF COUNCIL.

ONGOING. UM, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S UP TO COUNSEL.

AND I ALSO HAVE ONE OTHER ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE.

YEAH. QUESTION.

YEAH. HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE IN THIS ROUND? WHAT'S YOUR BRACKET? IDOLOS 20.

BUT YOU SAID 25.

SO MAYBE IT'S 50. IT MIGHT TAKE ME A MINUTE, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS.

UM, THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR LAW, LAW AND JUSTICE.

SO IT'S THIS NON IT'S THIS NON PROFIT THAT LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE INVOLVED IN.

TORNADO BANALI AND SCOTT AND KIRSTEN HATHCOCK ARE INVOLVED AND IT'S UM IT'S REGARDING MISSING AND MISSING AND MURDERED PEOPLE WHICH INCLUDES INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND JUST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN GENERAL. THERE ARE RETIRED DETECTIVES THAT ARE DONATING THEIR TIME TO OPEN UP COLD CASES TO HELP FAMILIES GET SOME CLOSURE, AND THEY'RE DOING A FUNDRAISER, WHICH IS A.

WHICH IS A WALK, AND THERE'S WAY MORE TO BE DECIDED ABOUT THAT.

BUT ROSE AND I MET WITH THEM, TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THEIR WORK, AND I WANTED TO ASK WHETHER COUNCIL WANTED TO SPONSOR ONE TIME.

THIS FUNDRAISER.

OH, THAT'S WHAT ALL DOGS GO.

OH, IT'S NOT YOUR OFF THE AGENDA.

IT'S JUST THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

IT'S NOT NOTHING HERE AT THIS MEETING IS SLATED FOR ACTION.

SO JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE CRAIG'S GOING HERE IS.

MAYBE YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS.

WOULDN'T FIGURE OUT THAT PROCESS, BUT DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO START ASKING FOR A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO FUND ANY CERTAIN.

OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, PERFECT.

NOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF IT IS.

YEAH OKAY.

THIS IS KIND OF YEAH.

WE WANTED TO JUST TRY TO IDENTIFY OUTSTANDING REQUEST.

THAT'S UNCLEAR TO US BECAUSE BUT WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE DIRECTION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADVANCED BY A COUNCIL PERSON.

THAT SENSE UM, BUT I THINK TO THE POINT YOU SEE HERE ADDED TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MAYOR, I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL CANDIDATE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD ADVANCE TO COUNCIL.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THOSE BE PLACED ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? OR RETREAT.

WELL, WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND KIND OF GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON THESE THINGS, BUT NOT NOT RENDERING DECISIONS OR OUTCOMES AS TO WHAT GETS FUNDED. OKAY.

SO LET ME READ SOME COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN.

UM. UH.

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HEIDI SAID, GOTCHA MAYOR, IF THEY ARE HOLDING EARTH, THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE IT? TO CLARIFY, WHILE THE SISTER CITIES ITEM WAS SPOKEN OF IN PUBLIC COMMENT, I SPOKE FROM THE DAIS THAT I WAS REQUESTING COUNCIL SUPPORT TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, I GUESS LIKE COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE BRINGING IT FORWARD.

AND COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT ON THE TOUR FOR THEM TO SEE PICTURES OF WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING? YES. THEN KEVIN CHIMED IN LIKE, SHUSH, WHERE ARE YOU GUYS GOING? AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS, PLUS, IT DOESN'T ACCUMULATE YEAR AFTER YEAR.

IF WE DON'T USE IT, WE LOSE IT, CORRECT? YES. COUNCIL INITIATIVE BUDGET IS 25,000, AND COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS SAYS, I'M IN SUPPORT AND THIS IS JUST A THAT THAT SHE WANTS TO HEAR MORE.

AND SHE WANTS YOU ALL TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE AMAZING WORK OF THE OF THE NONPROFIT.

OKAY. AND, AND AND HEIDI SAYS TO BE MORE CLEAR ON THE LAW, SPONSORSHIP HOURS WILL BE SPONSORED BY DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF AND USE THAT LOGO WHEN YOU SPONSOR IT WILL HAVE THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF LOGO.

WHAT'S THE LAST BULLET ABOUT PROCUREMENT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET INTO THAT AND THEN MAYBE WRAP IT UP.

WE WILL GET THESE ITEMS. WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION FOR YOU AND GET YOU BACK ON THE AGENDA IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

GOING FORWARD. I THINK THE GENERAL QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? IS A CHECK IN? ARE THERE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGED? UM, I WOULD ADVOCATE, AS I DID WHEN WE FORMED THIS THING, TO KEEP IT LOOSE WITHOUT PARAMETERS.

IT TAKES COUNCIL ACTION AND WE ESTABLISH ONE PARAMETER TODAY, WHICH IS GOOD THAT IT NEEDS TO DERIVE FROM A COUNCIL PERSON.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE FUND AGGREGATED OVER TIME? WE WOULD SUGGEST IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF CEILING AND THAT SHOULD PROBABLY MATCH PROCUREMENT RIGHT NOW FOR COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, NOT A.

AND IF IT EXCEEDS A THRESHOLD OF $50,000, IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR FORMAL ACTION.

SO THAT COULD JUST BE A BASIS OF, YOU KNOW, YEAH, LET THE FUND ACCUMULATE, BUT NO MORE THAN $50,000.

WE HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT PROPOSED TO GO TO 100,000.

SO MAYBE IT TRACKS WITH WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE IT AGGREGATE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, OR WE CAN KEEP IT AS IS, WHICH IS KIND OF A USE IT OR LOSE IT.

WE'RE NOT MAKING THOSE DECISIONS NOW.

I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE DIRECTION.

YEAH. OH.

YOU'RE RIGHT. ROLL OVER OR LOSE IT.

FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, IS THERE A BIG DISTINCTION? OH, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER, BUT WE COULD HAVE RICK OR RANDY'S TEAM.

YEAH. ACCOUNT TEAM.

CREATE ADDITIONAL.

RICK TADDER WAS HERE. HE COULD HELP ANSWER THAT.

HELLO, MAYOR. COUNCIL.

UM, WELL, WHEN WE GET INTO DELIVERING FUNDS TO AN AGENCY, WE USUALLY WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTRACT OR SCOPE OF WORK WITH THESE TYPES OF PROCUREMENTS.

BUT THESE LEVELS OF FUNDING DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A FORMAL PROCUREMENT REQUIREMENT UNDER 25,000.

AS AS WE ADOPTED, WE CAN DIRECT SELECT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION IN PLACE FOR THESE.

AND IS THERE IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF AMOUNT OF WORK NEEDED IF THE FUNDS CARRY OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR? AS FAR AS CARRYOVERS GO.

THAT'S A BUDGET PROCESS.

AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, PROBABLY AT THE APRIL RETREAT.

IF YOU DO NOT SEE SPENDING THOSE FUNDS THIS YEAR, YOU COULD REQUEST TO CARRY THEM OVER TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

WE DON'T NORMALLY CARRY THESE ITEMS FORWARD, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T MAKE THAT EXCEPTION IF COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT.

BUT DOES IT CREATE? DOES IT CREATE ADDITIONAL WORK FOR YOU ALL? IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF WORK.

OKAY. IT'S IT'S IMMATERIAL.

WE CAN DO IT. YEAH.

SO WE CAN HAVE THIS ON AN AGENDA WHERE WE WHERE WE.

STATE OUR PARAMETERS FOR THE FUNDS AND AND THEN ALSO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF PROJECTS

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AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO DECIDE THEN OR OR MOVE IT FORWARD BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION OR WHATEVER.

WE CAN DO THAT AND WE WILL DO THAT, AND WE'LL DO IT PRIOR TO APRIL.

OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A LAST MINUTE SCRAMBLE TO THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT.

YEAH, I THINK ENOUGH TIME ATTRIBUTED TO THIS.

JUDY APOLOGIZE TOOK US OVER.

STACEY FOBAR MY.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THAT AND THANKS FOR GIVING US SOME DIRECTION.

PEOPLE ARE SORRY.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIMES. WELL AS SWITCH GEARS.

THIS IS A PLACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY MONEY.

THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S IT. GREAT.

WELL, WE'LL JUST WANT TO MOVE IT INTO A WRAP UP.

GREG, DID YOU HAVE ANY WRAPPING UP THOUGHTS, OR SHALL I MOVE US INTO A WRAP UP FOR TODAY? PLEASE DO. OKAY.

SURE WILL. WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL ALL FOR SHOWING UP.

AND BE WILLING TO ENGAGE AND GO THROUGH SO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS UP TODAY SHARING THEIR AREAS OF EXPERTISE AS WELL.

SO WE'D LIKE TO FINISH THIS SESSION WITH A LITTLE REFLECTION AND THEN MAYBE A COMMITMENT TO ACTION.

SO. AS WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

I WANT TO INVITE YOU FIRST TO THAT MOMENT OF REFLECTION.

WHAT WAS A BIG WOW FROM TODAY? I LIKE THE COOKIES.

THE COOKIES? YES.

LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT OATMEAL RAISIN, CHOCOLATE CHIP BUTTER.

ALL OF THEM. ANY OTHER BIG WOWS? ANY LIGHT BULBS YOU HAD ABOUT THE CITY OR OR HIGH PERFORMING GOVERNMENT? THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING.

WATER RATES.

YEAH. FEEL FREE TO LOOK THROUGH YOUR NOTES.

GOOD. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.

YEAH, JUST CRUISE THROUGH THERE, SEE WHAT CAME UP FOR YOU.

WELL, IT WAS NICE TO GO FROM THE STRESSFUL DISCUSSION OF WATER RATES TO OUR SUCCESSES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO REFLECT ON ON THINGS YOU'VE GOTTEN DONE.

YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH.

WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I WILL ADD THE PARAMETER THERE.

SINCE OUR LAST BUDGET RETREAT WHICH OCCURRED WAS JUNE, SO IT WASN'T A VERY LONG STRETCH.

I THINK IF WE OPEN THAT UP, THIS COUNCIL SINCE IT BEGAN LAST DECEMBER.

WELL, THIS WILL BE A LOT LONGER.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YOU EXPAND THE TIME FRAME, YOU GET MORE SUCCESSES UP ON THE BOARD.

YEAH. ANY BIG LIKE AHA OR.

WILES. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE HAS POSTED.

EXCELLENT. CONSIDERING HOW TO BEST BALANCE INQUIRY AND ADVOCACY.

THE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

YEAH. AND I CAN TELL THAT THIS COUNCIL REALLY IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE INQUIRY.

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SO INTO IT, YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE THAT YOU'RE DOING IT AS PART OF YOUR FOUNDATION.

COMMISSION, SO I'M BEING INFORMED.

BUT JUST SEEING ALL THE GRAPHS AND HEARING IT AGAIN, A LOT OF FACEBOOK THOUGHT, OH YES, FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

JUST GO AHEAD.

NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.

I'M LOOKING AT HER. LOOKING AT ME.

I'LL. ALWAYS APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL IN A, IN A MORE INFORMAL SETTING WHERE WE CAN REALLY EXPLORE SOME IDEAS, AS IN COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE WE TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING REALLY.

WHEN SHE DANCED. AND INFORMAL, NICE LITTLE EXPLORATION.

GOOD. WELL, WHAT'S THIS ONE? WANT TO ASK YOU TO TURN TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.

GET IN A SMALL GROUP. MAYBE A.

OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS CAN CHAT BACK AND FORTH, BUT THINK ABOUT AN ACTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE OR COMMIT TO OR TRY OUT AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE CONTENT FROM TODAY.

SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EXPLORE A LITTLE FURTHER.

SO TALK THIS ONE OUT WITH A SMALL GROUP.

SEE A BIG I DON'T KNOW, BUT SINCE YOU TALK IT OUT, MAYBE YOU'LL YOU'LL HEAR SOME GOOD IDEAS OR SOMETHING WILL COME TO MIND.

YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW.

IT. GOING TO BE REALLY.

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NICE. YEAH.

GIVE ME AN. EXPLORE FURTHER.

YEAH. GIVE US.

LIKE A LITTLE MORE.

JUST SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IT'S.

SO IS THERE ANYTHING COMING UP FOR YOU? YEAH. SUPER FUN.

YEAH. YEAH.

YEAH. SOME PEOPLE SAY.

IT'S. YOU.

YES. AND IT'S SO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO. IT'S.

PRETTY. SMALL.

YEAH. YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU.

SAID TO ME. SO.

YEAH. I DO WANT TO.

SAY. THAT.

YES. THANK.

YOU. VERY.

MUCH.

THANK.

IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'VE GOT A QUIET PLACE.

YEAH. SO LET'S TRY OR DIG INTO OR TAKE IT AS IT

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IS. YEAH.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I'M GLAD THIS IS SUCH AN ENGAGING CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE TAKEAWAYS MIGHT BE.

MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL CURIOSITY.

TO US. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD A GOOD CONCLUSION.

SO ARE YOU WILLING TO SHARE WITH THE WHOLE GROUP? WHAT YOUR CONCLUSION WAS.

WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT.

THE WATER RATES AND HOW COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF THE OUTREACH.

AS FOR BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO INVOLVE A REALLY BIG COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.

THE STAFF THAT IS HELPING IF WE CAN BE HELPFUL.

THIS UNSETTLING? YEAH.

HI. I DRINK WATER.

YOU DRINK WATER OUT OF THE FAUCET, OR DO YOU DRINK IT OUT OF THE BOTTLE? BOSS. MRS FLAGSTAFF.

WOW. OKAY, GET THE VIDEO CREW IN HERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN THE OUTREACH WITH THE WATER RACE.

UM. TAKE THAT.

UM, HAVE A STICKER.

I GOT ONE FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.

TAKE BACK THE TENT. IN OTHER WORDS, USE WATER.

DON'T LIKE MINE OR JUST SPAWNERS? FORGET. SIX.

HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS WITH THOSE ACRONYMS? NOW LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S WRAP IT UP WITH THIS REFLECTION AND COMMITMENT.

SO TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THE TOPICS AND IT CAN BE A PERFECTIONIST AT TIMES I FEEL LIKE I.

DON'T HAVE THE TIME, BUT WOULD LIKE TO.

COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET WANTS TO DIVE DEEPER.

REALLY? GET IN THERE.

HOW ABOUT OVER HERE? YOU GUYS COME UP WITH ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO EXPLORE THE FUN.

THE $25,000 THING.

OKAY. EXPLORE MORE EXPLORATION ON THE $25,000 FUND.

EXCELLENT. HOW ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER. HANSEN.

MATTHEW. ANYTHING TO UNMUTE FOR OR PUT IN THE CHAT? I THINK MY THING IS JUST REALLY TAKING MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES.

SO THE FAIR PROCESS AND BEING MORE MINDFUL WITH THE CITIZEN PETITION PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, BEING PART OF BETTER EXPLAINING THAT OR SUPPORTING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT AMONG THE CITIZENS THAT COME TO US AND AND ASK ABOUT THAT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE KIND OF MADE A MISTAKE ON IN THE PAST, AND THAT I CAN FULLY ADMIT TO, IS ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO SUBMIT A CITIZEN'S PETITION ON SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A FURTHER CONVERSATION AMONG US.

SO, YEAH, JUST FIGURING SOME OF THOSE THINGS OUT AND BEING MORE MINDFUL IN THAT, ALL RIGHT, FIGURING THINGS OUT AND BEING MORE MINDFUL IN THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL ALSO FOR SHARING SOMETHING OUT LOUD FROM YOUR GROUPS, BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD EACH OTHER NOW.

SO YOU CAN HELP SUPPORT EACH OTHER AS YOU MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

UM, DIGGING DEEPER, GETTING INTO THE COUNSEL FUND, WORKING ON THE FAIR AND THE PETITIONS, WORKING ON THIS OUTREACH FOR THE WATER RATES. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RETREAT, KEEPING AN OPEN MIND, WILLING TO LISTEN AND LEARN.

WE LOST A BUNCH.

YEAH, WE DID, BUT IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR.

MAYOR, BEFORE WE TURN IT BACK TO YOU FOR ADJOURNMENT, THIS WAS OUR FIRST DAY WITH JUDY, AND SHE JUST NAILED IT.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING US OUT.

MR.. YOU, MAYOR.

RETURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.