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>> ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] WELCOME EVERYONE TO THIS OCTOBER 18TH,
[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
2023 MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.[NOISE] THAT'S JUST SO FUN. NEXT IS ROLL CALL.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. SO EXCITING THAT WE'RE ALL HERE IN PERSON.
[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS TO READ THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT? I READ IT LAST MONTH.HAS ANYONE NOT READ IT IN A WAY? THANK YOU.
>> THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.
THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL NEVER KNOW THIS PLACE IS HOME.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BACHUM.
DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA? LOOKS LIKE NO.
MOVING ON TO OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the September 20, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission]
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO LAST MONTH'S MINUTES?>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WEST-HIMER.
>> COMMISSIONER WEST-HIMER, PLEASE MAKE SURE MIC IS ON.
>> UNDER WHAT IS IT? A, IT SAYS THAT I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON HOW THE STUCCO WOULD BE APPLIED, BUT IT WAS WHERE THE STUCCO WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE BUILDING.
THEN I UNDERSTOOD WHAT EMILY ASKED ABOUT IF THE CURRENT SIGNED WILL GO BACK.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE REPAINTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS REMOVED.
THEN THERE'S SOME MORE UNDER B.
EMILY ASKED HOW MANY BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED IN TOTAL FOR THE PROJECT AND I DON'T SEE AN ANSWER THERE.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME INFORMATION MISSING FROM MARK UNDERNEATH THERE.
SEE UNDER SARAH CLARIFIED THAT THE DECISION FOR ALIGNMENT WAS MADE IN 2006.
THEN ON THE FINAL COMMENT THERE, MARK ANSWERED THAT MATERIAL WILL BE COLLECTED AND ACCEPTED BY THE CONTRACTOR PROPERTY OWNER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
THE LAST PART UNDER THAT, IT SAYS THAT YOU SAID ANSWERED THAT THE MATERIAL WILL BE COLLECTED AND ACCEPTED BY THE CONTRACTOR PROPERTY OWNER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, ACCEPTED BY, BUT THAT MAY BE REMOVED AND REUSED.
>> IF I RECALL, THEY WERE TAKING IT AWAY SOMEWHERE.
>> I THINK THE LANGUAGE COULD CLARIFY THAT.
>> I GUESS ACCEPTED WAS JUST LIKE WE WILL ACCEPT THIS MATERIAL TO TAKE. SO.
>> I THINK IT COULD BE MORE CLEAR.
THEN I WANTED TO ASK ON THE HOUSE, IF THE ROCK HAD BEEN CORRECTED.
HAVE YOU CORRECTED THAT IN THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY?
>> I DO HAVE AN ADDENDUM FOR THAT.
>> WELL, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT.
>> WELL, AND THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM AN AMENDMENT TO THE MINUTES.
BECAUSE IT'S A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
>> IT WAS CORRECT IN ONE SPOT, IT WAS NOT CORRECT ON ANOTHER.
>> WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER WEST-HIMER AND SARAH, YOU HAVE NOTED THOSE? I TOOK SOME NOTES AS WELL.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH AMENDMENTS?
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WITHOUT AMENDMENTS? WHATEVER YOU GUYS MOVE.>> I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT A SEPTEMBER MINUTES WITH CORRECTIONS
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WEST-HIMER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BERCHAM.
>> BACHUM. [LAUGHTER] AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BERCHAM.
>> ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THE MOVEMENT PASSES.
[6.A. 820 W Aspen Ave ADU Garage Conversion]
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE 820 WEST ASPEN AVENUE ADU GARAGE CONVERSION.I'M STILL SWEATING FROM OUR TOUR. I'LL REPORT ON IT.
SO 828 WEST ASPEN IS IN THE TOWN SITE OVERLAY.
IT'S JUST RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT'S A SMALL GARAGE THAT HASN'T BEEN USED AS A GARAGE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
IT HAS A VERY I'D LIKE TO CALL IT SMART ADDITION TO THIS FORMER GARAGE STORAGE BUILDING.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE 96 SQUARE FOOT BATHROOM ADDITION WHERE ALL THE PLUMBING GOES IN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS SMALL LITTLE BUILDING.
THE SECONDARY BUILDING'S ACTUALLY BEHIND A FAIRLY TALL BOARD FENCE.
WINDOW FENESTRATION REALLY DOES NOT CHANGE OF IT.
WHERE ONE OF THE FORMER GARAGE DOORS WERE THAT'S WHERE THE ADDITION IS CENTERED, SAME ROUGH SLOPE AND THEN WINDOWS ADDED TO THE SIDE.
IT PRETTY MUCH STAYS THE WAY IT IS NOW.
I THINK PRIVACY CONSIDERATIONS AND A VERY CONSERVATIVE SMALL ADU THAT'S REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HERE THERE ARE DRAWINGS AND MY STAFF REPORT.
THERE'S DRAWINGS THAT WERE ATTACHED.
I THINK PAUL MOORE, THE ARCHITECT, DID A REALLY GREAT, SENSITIVE JOB IN A LOGICAL WAY OF DOING ABOUT A SMALL ADU.
WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE IF THEY WANT TO TALK OR IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS AND IT'S A VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF PROPERTY, THE HOUSE ITSELF, AND THE YARD WORK IS PARTICULARLY NICE RIGHT NOW.
DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY AT ALL? [LAUGHTER]
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MARK. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?
WHAT WILL BE THE UTILITIES? WILL THEY COME THE SAME METERS FOR THE HOUSE OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE SEPARATE?
>> WELL, THEY ALL BE ON THE SAME BILL OR REALLY BE TWO BILLS.
>> IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND WHO YOU ARE.
>> ROBY JOHNSON, 820 WEST ASPEN.
WE HAD THE CONTRACTORS FOR A LANDSCAPE IN BURRY, THE ELECTRICITY, THE WATER GOING OUT TO THE GARAGE IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS PROJECT.
>> WELL, YOU HAVE ONE BILL FOR YOUR UTILITIES OR WILL EACH BUILDING HAVE ITS OWN?
>> DEPENDS ON WHO LIVES THERE.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR UNCLE JOHN LIVE THERE AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE PAYING THE [LAUGHTER] UTILITIES.
THAT'S THE PLAN, BUT IT'D BE ONE.
>> SO YOU HAVE ONE WATER METER, ONE ELECTRICAL METER?
>> THERE WAS A FINGER WAVE OF ONE FROM THE OTHER HOMEOWNER IN THE AUDIENCE.
[LAUGHTER] FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WEST-HIMER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION FOR MARK.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE CONVERSION STAGE TO YOU.
IS THIS JUST IT'S LIKE THE HOME AND GARDEN CHANNEL, JUST LIKE MAKING A BUNCH OF THESE.
THEY JUST SEEM TO BE VERY POPULAR.
IS THERE A REASON YOU THINK THAT THESE ARE?
>> I THINK IT'S SO LOGICAL THAT IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE, IT'S HARD TO GET INTO ANY WAY FROM THE ALLEY.
YOU HAVE A SOLID BUILDING THERE.
YOU'RE PROVIDING QUALITY HOUSING THAT'S COST-EFFECTIVE.
REALLY THE COSTS ARE PRIMARILY ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLUMBING AND THE UTILITIES THAT GO INTO IT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING AND I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DENSITY OF TOWN SITE.
YOU ADD AN ADU AND YOU HAVE A MUCH DENSER, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT'S A QUALITY THING THAT'S BEING DONE IN A LOT OF PLACES.
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ALSO, WE'RE DOING BRAND NEW ADUS AS WELL THAT ARE HAPPENING.>> DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS? BECAUSE I CAN COUNT AT LEAST THREE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'D NEVER HEARD OF THESE BEFORE, AND THEN SUDDENLY I'M LIKE, WHERE ARE THERE THEY, THERE'S SO MANY? AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> WE REALLY DO ENCOURAGE THEM.
I WOULD SAY, AS FAR AS I REVIEW A LOT OF PLANS, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF ADUS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> WELL, CAN I ADD THAT THE OTHER TWO WE SAW WHERE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.
THE OTHER TWO WILL BE INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
>> ONE SIDE. I WONDER ONBOARD GARAGE.
>> WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ROLE OF THIS COMMISSION THOUGH TO DETERMINE.
HOUSING IS HOUSING AND FLIGHT STUFF NEEDS IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?[OVERLAPPING]
>> COMMISSIONER DEA? WAIT, WHO'S UP THERE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES, COMMISSIONER DEA, GO AHEAD.
>> YOU MIGHT NOTICE MORE OF THEM BECAUSE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ANYBODY THAT KNOWS, BUT I WAS ON A CALL A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WAS SOME CODES CHANGED TO HELP ENCOURAGE ADUS AND AS FAR AS WITHIN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND AS A MEANS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A GOOD MODEL AND OTHER AREAS TO INCREASE HOUSING AVAILABILITY.
>> THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. THE LAST PAGE OF THE SUMMARY REPORT FROM THE APPLICATION, THIS IS THE PLANNED COLOR SCHEME.
>> I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH ON THE DESIGN OF THEIR HOUSE.
THEY'RE JUST SHOWING THAT, THE ARCHITECT INCLUDED WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN THE PAST ON MAKING THEIR HOUSE LOOK BETTER AND JUST REPRESENTING THAT COMPATIBILITY OF THEIR HOUSE.
THEN THEY ALSO PUT A LOT OF ADJACENT HOUSES, WHICH IS SOMETHING I OFTEN ASK FOR, WHAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT WHEN WE GET QUALITY ARCHITECTS THAT PROVIDES THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION SO THAT WE REALLY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE HOW THAT ADDITION WOULD FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE PAINT COLORS PICKED OUT YET? MARK, MAYBE YOU KNOW.
>> WHAT PAUL SENT WAS FROM WHEN WE REMODELED LAST TIME AND WE TOOK AN OUTDATED BATHROOM AND WE RE-DID THE PLUMBING AND WE PUT A FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH THE ROOMS SO THAT WE COULD REACH BECAUSE OUR FOUNDATION WAS A TRENCH AND ROCKS WITH A BOARD ON TOP.
[LAUGHTER] THAT DOESN'T REALLY RELATE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
I'M NOT REALLY QUITE SURE WHY HE SHOWED THAT.
WE WANT IT TO MATCH THE HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
AS FAR AS THE COLORS AND LIGHTING AND WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE AS MUCH IDENTICAL TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSES WE CAN FIND.
>> I JUST LIKED THE IDEA OF A PAINT NAMED BAGEL. THAT'S FUN.
MARK, WILL YOU BE WORKING WITH THEM ON COLORS AND PAINT AS THIS GOES FORWARD?
>> I NEVER GET TOO WORRIED ABOUT PAINT COLORS.
>> IT'S JUST WE OFTEN GET THEM.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO ASK IS COMPATIBILITY IN THE CONTEXT.
I THINK THAT THE ARCHITECT SHOWED THAT QUITE WELL.
UNIQUE THING OF WHAT HE DID, THE FORMER GARAGE HAS THOSE FIBER CEMENT SHINGLES AS SIDING.
HE'S LEAVING THOSE ALONE AND THEN THE SMALL ADDITION IS ACTUALLY NARROW LAP SIDING.
AGAIN, FOLLOWS US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, IDENTIFIABLE ADDITIONS, MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
I THINK IT'LL BE CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE A SMALL GARAGE WITH A VERY SMALL 96 SQUARE FOOT EDITION ON IT.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT.
I ALWAYS APPRECIATE IT WHEN WE GET A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER AND THEN PROVIDES A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION VERSUS A LOT LESS [LAUGHTER] THAT I HAVE TO GO FISHING FOR.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
YES, OF COURSE, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
>> WHAT IS ILLUSTRATING THIS COVER 1 HERE? WHAT IS THIS?
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YOU'RE SEEING LIGHT TAN IS A TOWNSITE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE PINK IS THE TOWNSITE OVERLAY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY FROM OUR MAPPING OR GIS MAPPING.
YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, WE'RE EVALUATING BASED ON TOWNSITE.
>> WELL, WE SHOULD AMEND THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS TOO BECAUSE THEIR HOUSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION?
>> I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDED MOTION.
>> YES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN FROM COMMISSION?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING MODIFIED GARAGE AND ADDITION INTO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ADDRESSED AT 820 WEST ASPEN AVENUE.
>> IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MARK?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HORN.
>> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.
CONGRATULATIONS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW IT TURNS OUT.
ALSO THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
NOT EVERYONE DOES, AND IT'S ALWAYS NICE WHEN THE PUBLIC IS HERE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO GENERAL BUSINESS.
[7.A. Potential Change for 2024 Commission Schedule Discuss the possibility of switching regular meeting dates to the 1st Wednesday of the month in 2024 to allow the Transportation Commission meetings to be better sequenced with the Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committees and the Beautification and Public Art Commission.]
SARAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT OUR POTENTIAL SCHEDULE CHANGE?>> YES. THANK YOU, CHAIR DALE.
THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, WHICH MEETS ON THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH HAS BEEN HAVING SOME SEQUENCING ISSUES BECAUSE THE WORK THEY DO, THEY OFTEN WANT TO HEAR FROM THE BPAC, WHICH IS BEAUTIFICATION PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION.
THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM THEIR BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEIR PEDESTRIAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE BEFORE THEY CONSIDER ITEMS. THEY ALSO ONLY MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH AND SO WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS BECAUSE THEY OCCUPY THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AND THOSE COMMITTEES MEET AFTER.
THEY'RE SOMETIMES HAVING TROUBLE MOVING THINGS ALONG EXPEDITIOUSLY ON THEIR OWN AGENDA AND SO THE [INAUDIBLE] REQUESTED AFTER THEIR LAST MEETING THAT REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK IF YOU ALL ARE WILLING IN 2024 TO SWITCH WEDNESDAYS WITH THEM.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER BERCHAM IS NOT HERE AND I DID CHECK WITH HER THAT THAT IS A CHANGE THAT WILL WORK FOR HER.
WHAT THAT ALSO REQUIRES IS THAT MARK WILL NEED TO PRODUCE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR SUBMISSION DEADLINES, WHICH HE'S LOOKED AT AND HE DOESN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT.
IT ACTUALLY WOULD REMOVE THE CONFLICT WE HAVE WITH THANKSGIVING IN OUR SUBMISSION DEADLINE, WHICH HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE LIKE A LITTLE EARLIER THAT WEEK, SO IT ACTUALLY REMOVES OUR ONLY REAL WEDNESDAY HOLIDAY PROBLEM CONFLICT.
I THINK THAT STAFF IS OPEN TO THIS, IF IT WORKS FOR YOUR SCHEDULE.
WE ALWAYS CARE THAT THERE'S A QUORUM, AND SO IT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE.
WE CAN GO BACK AND THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION WILL ACCEPT WHATEVER ANSWER YOU HAVE.
>> WOULD WE MEET ON DECEMBER 20TH AND JANUARY 6TH?
>> YES. THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.
YOU'D HAVE A DECEMBER 20TH AND A JANUARY 6TH MEETING OR YOU COULD NOT HAVE YOUR DECEMBER 20TH MEETING AND GO STRAIGHT TO JANUARY 6TH IF THERE'S NO SUBMISSIONS. GIVE YOU GUYS A BREAK.
>> CAN I CONFIRM, DID YOU SAY THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH?
>> BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH?
>> I HAVE A MEETING ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
>> I THINK THE IDEA IS WE'D BE SWITCHING WITH TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE THEY MEET ON THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH, AND WE MEET ON THE THIRD AND SO WE WOULD JUST BE SWAPPING WITH THEM.
>> THE SECOND AND FOURTH WEDNESDAYS OF THE MONTH ARE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WEDNESDAYS AND SO WE ONLY SWITCH WITH THEM OCCASIONALLY WHEN THERE'S A HEARING ISSUE OR SOMETHING GOING ON, BUT THEY WANT THEIR SECOND AND FOURTH WEDNESDAYS.
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IF THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH DOESN'T WORK, I'LL JUST TELL TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, SORRY, WE'RE NOT THE COMMISSION TO SWITCH WITH AND THEN MAYBE THEY CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE THAT'S WILLING ON THE THIRD WEEK OF THE MONTH TO DO IT.>> THE TIME WEDNESDAY AT 4:00 P.M?
>> I CAN CHECK TO SEE IF WE CAN MODIFY OUR MEETINGS. I CAN FIND OUT.
>> IT WAS SAID JANUARY 6TH, BUT IT'S JANUARY 3RD, RIGHT? WOULD BE OUR FIRST MEETING?
>> YES. SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT DECEMBER.
I KNOW HOW CALENDARS WORK, I PROMISE.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. JANUARY 3RD WOULD BE OUR FIRST MEETING OF 2024.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD MAKE THOSE FIRST WEDNESDAYS.
I WILL SIMPLY CONVEY TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO COULD NOT MAKE THAT WORK WITH THEIR CURRENT SCHEDULES AND SO THEY WILL PROBABLY GO HUNT FOR ANOTHER COMMISSION THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO SWITCH.
THAT'S THE WHOLE CONVERSATION WE WANTED TO HAVE, SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SARAH. WE WILL STAY MEETING ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
MARK, ANY INTERESTING REPORTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US?
[8. REPORTS]
THERE IS ONE ON THE AGENDA.>> BEFORE I FORGET, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO 820 ASPEN.
I DID NOT MENTION THE FACT THAT IT WAS CORRECTLY POSTED PER TOWNSITE REQUIREMENTS.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT AND THAT'S A UNIQUE THING THAT WE DO IN TOWNSITE, WHICH GIVES EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT.
WE JUST HAD A REBIRTH PROJECT AT 806 WEST SANTA FE.
VERY NICE BUNGALOW, ALSO TALKING TO THE FAMILY ABOUT MORE EXTENSIVE REHAB WITH THAT LITTLE BUNGALOW AND A POTENTIAL FOR A GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AS FAR AS MISCELLANEOUS GOES, WE DID DO A TOUR TODAY WITH.
>> THE PLANNING ENVIRONMENT AND PROJECTS PROGRAM FOR GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK.
>> WE WANDERED AND I THINK WE TOUCHED EVERY HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WE STARTED HERE, WE LOOKED AT THE RIO, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR GRANT PROJECTS, WE WENT ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND DIDN'T DIE.
WE LOOKED AT THE GREEN BOOK HOTELS ON THE ORIGINAL COURSE OF ROUTE 66 ALONG THE PHOENIX AND THEN WE CAME BACK ACROSS, WALKED UP, DAVID BABBITT CAME ACROSS.
WE TOUCHED THE NORTH END OF HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHEN WE CAME ACROSS THE TOWNSITE AND THEN WE HEADED BACK DOWN AND WE MET DUFFY AND DUFFY TALKED ABOUT THE LAND TRUST PROGRAM.
WE GOT HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LAND TRUST ALL AT ONCE.
>> THE OVERLAY? WHAT'S THE ORIGIN OF OUR OVERLAY?
>> AND SOME PLANNING DISCUSSION.
>> WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO TALK TO SARAH, BUT YOU CAN TELL. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, SO WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE LATE.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARK AND SARAH FOR ARRANGING THAT, AND DUFFY FOR TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THAT HOUSE.
THAT WAS REALLY AMAZING AND EVERYONE TOLD ME AS THEY WERE LEAVING, THEY HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME THAT THEY REALLY WILL LOOK AT FLAGSTAFF DIFFERENT, SO THANK YOU.
>> WE CAN DO A WALKABOUT AND LOOK AT THINGS, SO MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT AND MISCELLANEOUS ITEM.
[9. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]
ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, SARAH? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SEVERAL ON THE AGENDA.>> THERE ARE SEVERAL. DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD A VACANCY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING STAFF AND THAT I HAVE TO START WORKING VERY HEAVILY IN THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS ON THE REGIONAL PLAN WRITING.
MICHELLE MCNULTY, WHO'S MY SUPERVISOR AND OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, IS GOING TO BE TAKING OVER AS OUR COMMISSION LIAISON STARTING NEXT MEETING.
SHE IS WHO YOU WILL CONTACT FOR, I CAN'T MAKE IT, I CAN'T GET ON THE INTERNET.
I WILL STILL BE REVIEWING AND HELPING MARK WITH STAFF REPORTS AND APPLICATIONS BEHIND THE SCENES AND JOE O'CONNELL, WHO IS OUR INTERN, IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MINUTES.
JORDAN HAS LEFT FLAGSTAFF OR JORDAN HOLLINGER OUR ASSOCIATE PLANNER.
I AM HOPING TO HIRE HIS POSITION QUICKLY AND HAVE A NEW STAFF PERSON TO INTRODUCE TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
BUT I'LL LET MICHELLE SAY ANYTHING ELSE SHE WANTS TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
>> NO, I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A LIAISON FOR THIS BOARD.
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I'VE ACTUALLY SAT ON A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BEFORE IN ANOTHER CITY AND SO THIS IS A TOPIC NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MOVING FORWARD. THANKS.>> PLEASE TELL YOUR EXPERIENCE.
>> YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOURSELF?
>> YEAH. ACTUALLY, I STARTED OUT IN OHIO.
MY UNDERGRAD IS ACTUALLY IN CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGY, WHICH IS WHY I MOVED OUT HERE BUT FOUND THE REALM OF PLANNING [LAUGHTER] THAT WILL LIVE.
PEOPLE ARE A LOT MORE ENTERTAINING FOR ME, EVEN SOME OF THE OTHER CULTURE, BUT I STILL APPRECIATE IT.
I WENT TO NYU FOR GRADUATE SCHOOL IN RURAL GEOGRAPHY WITH AN EMPHASIS IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND I WAS ACTUALLY AN INTERN HERE AT THE CITY.
I INTERNED UNDER KIM SHARP FOR ANYBODY THAT KNOWS THE HISTORY OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO WAS SARAH'S PREDECESSOR AND DID ONE OF THE SELL SIDE INVENTORIES AS PART OF THAT INTERNSHIP.
AS WELL AS I WORKED A LITTLE BIT DOWN IN THE SHPO OFFICE DOING AS SITE MAPPING IN GIS AND GOING THROUGH THEIR CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THEN I LEFT HERE AND I WENT TO ALASKA WHERE I WAS FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN BACK HERE FOR THE LAST TWO.
MY MASTER'S THESIS WAS ACTUALLY ON ROUTE 66 HERE IN FLAGSTAFF AS AN ECONOMIC VITALITY PIECE AND AT THE TIME IT WAS THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD MAKE SNOW AND WE KNOW HOW THAT ENDED UP.
ANOTHER THING I WAS DOING WAS WORKING AT THE VISITOR CENTER.
I WAS TRYING TO ELIMINATE ALL AS MUCH STUDENT DEBT AS I COULD, SO I WAS WORKING EVERY JOB I COULD.
BUT REALLY SEEING THE FOCUS OF WHY THERE WAS SO MUCH INTERESTS AND ROUTE 66 AND THIS NOSTALGIC THAT WAS HAPPENING WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE RETIRING AND NOW HAVING THE TIME TO COME BACK THIS WAY.
A LOT OF OLDER GENTLEMAN WHO HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SHIFTED OUT DURING THE WAR AND NOW THEY WERE IN THEIR PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY COULD ACTUALLY TRAVEL WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND THEY WERE COMING BACK AND THEY HAD THIS REALLY BIG INTERESTS IN ROUTE 66.
THAT'S WHY I CHOSE THAT AS MY MASTER'S THESIS AND SO I DO GET EXCITED WHEN I SEE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE AT THE VISITOR CENTER, REALLY AMPING THAT UP.
OTHER DECISIONS I CAN'T SAY I'M AS EXCITED ABOUT, [LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S ME IN A NUTSHELL.
>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHELLE.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.
>> WHAT IS NEXT? [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER]
>> ARE YOU TAKING A WATER BREAK? [LAUGHTER] HOW FAR DID YOU GUYS WALK?
I'LL DO THIS FOR MARK SINCE HE'S TRYING TO GET US THE WATER.
LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE DOWNTOWN MILE CONSULTATION.
THE ENGINEERING STAFF MET WITH ME AND MARK LAST WEEK AND THEY JUST CAN'T GET A PRESENTATION TOGETHER THAT FAST.
WE JUST HAVE VERY FULL SCHEDULES RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING LOOKING AT THE FINAL DESIGNS FOR THE RIO DE FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT.
BUT THEY'RE HOPING THAT IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER TO BE BACK WITH THAT PRESENTATION.
PART OF THE SCHEDULING IS THEY'D LIKE THEIR CULTURAL RESOURCE CONSULTANT TO ALSO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY TIM AND THEN I FELT [OVERLAPPING].
>> TED IS HOPING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT AS WELL.
ON THE SECOND REQUEST, WHICH WAS TO SEE A STATUS MAP OF PROP 207 WAIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT OVERLAP HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT OUR OFFICES WERE BASICALLY TORN APART FOR A MONTH AND EVERY COMPUTER GOT TAKEN AWAY AND PUT BACK TOGETHER.
JOE, WHO HAD STARTED WORKING ON THAT PROJECT, HIS COMPUTER IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS IT SHOULD, SO HE'S NOT BEEN ABLE TO RE-ACCESS HIS DRAFT MAP AND SEND IT OUT FOR A REVIEW.
WE DEFINITELY WANTED THE ZONING CODE MANAGER WHO'S MOST FAMILIAR WITH ALL THOSE CASES TO JUST MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT HADN'T BEEN DIGITIZED OR MARKED CORRECTLY BEFORE WE SHARED IT WITH YOU BUT IT'S COMING.
THERE'S AN IT TICKET IN, IT IS ON IT.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF IT TICKETS WHEN YOU MOVE 25 COMPUTERS AND RE-IMAGE A BUNCH OF THEM AND TRY AND BRING THEM ALL BACK TOGETHER WHILE YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE DAY TO DAY IN THE CITY.
ITS ARE HEROES AND THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO FIND EVERYTHING THAT MADE IT IN A BOX AND NOT BACK TO A DESK AND GET ALL OUR COMPUTERS DONE.
THAT'S WHY THAT HASN'T TURNED AROUND AS FAST AS WE HOPED, BUT JOE'S ON IT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE BACK WITH IT NEXT MONTH.
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WAS THERE ANY OTHER TWO FIRMS THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION? I THINK THAT'S IT FROM STAFF.>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS FROM COMMISSION? LOOKING [LAUGHTER] NEXT MONTH.
WELL, SEEING THAT THERE ARE NO MORE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, I NOW DECLARE THIS OCTOBER 18TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION OVER AT 4:31 PM.
I'M GOING TO BANG THIS GAVEL AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S FUN [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.