ALL RIGHT. WE ARE READY TO GET STARTED.
[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the City Council and to the general public that, at this work session, the City Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for discussion and consultation with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
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WELCOME EVERYONE. TODAY IS CITY COUNCIL'S WORK SESSION.IT'S TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023.
I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS WORK SESSION, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? MAYOR DAGGETT HERE.
I'M HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
THANK YOU. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WILL BE JOINING US A LITTLE BIT LATER AND COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET IS MAKING HER WAY BACK TO FLAGSTAFF, BUT WILL NOT BE WITH US THIS EVENING.
AND COUNCIL, I KNOW I USUALLY ASK YOU AHEAD OF TIME AND I DIDN'T TONIGHT.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY OF MY MATERIALS WITH ME.
AND I'M ON A DIFFERENT COMPUTER.
SO CAN SOMEONE ELSE DO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, PLEASE? YOU BET. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT? UH, YES. SHOULD BE TO.
OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL START WITH THE PLEDGE.
JOIN ME IN STANDING. TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF.
SECURITY. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS. THANK YOU.
MAYOR. THE MISSION OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE.
THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, ORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER.
MOVING DOWN TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
[4. Public Participation Public Participation enables the public to address the council about items that are not on the prepared agenda. Public Participation appears on the agenda twice, at the beginning and at the end of the work session. You may speak at one or the other, but not both. Anyone wishing to comment at the meeting is asked to fill out a speaker card and submit it to the recording clerk. When the item comes up on the agenda, your name will be called. You may address the Council up to three times throughout the meeting, including comments made during Public Participation. Please limit your remarks to three minutes per item to allow everyone to have an opportunity to speak. At the discretion of the Chair, ten or more persons present at the meeting and wishing to speak may appoint a representative who may have no more than fifteen minutes to speak.]
THIS ENABLES THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE PREPARED AGENDA.PUBLIC PARTICIPATION APPEARS ON THE AGENDA TWICE RIGHT NOW AND AT THE END.
THANK YOU. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.
IN NINE DAYS, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN FAMILIES WILL BE SHARING A MEAL TOGETHER WHILE GIVING THANKS TO HEALTH ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND TO HAVING A SAFE SPACE TO CELEBRATE IN THEIR HOMES.
THIS THURSDAY AT 2:00 PM AT THE MURDOCK CENTER PARKING LOT.
HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF NORTHERN ARIZONA IS GIVING THANKS FOR THE THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED, IN ONE SHAPE OR FORM, TO BUILD OUR SECOND STARTER HOME FOR THE FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY.
SARA HAS SUFFERED FROM EPILEPSY FOR A GOOD PART OF HER LIFE, HAVING ENDURED THOUSANDS OF SEIZURES THROUGH THE OR THROUGH ALL OF THIS. SHE NEVER SLOWED DOWN FROM WANTING TO BECOME A HOMEOWNER, AND FLAGSTAFF, HER FUTURE STARTER HOME WILL MAKE THAT DREAM A REALITY AND PROVIDE A QUIET, SAFE ENVIRONMENT, ALLOWING HER TO MANAGE HER HEALTH NEEDS.
I INVITE EACH OF YOU AND ALL OF FLAGSTAFF TO JOIN US THIS THURSDAY AND CELEBRATE WHAT IT MEANS TO KEEP HARD WORKING FLAGSTAFF RESIDENTS AND FAMILIES WHERE THEY WANT TO BE, RIGHT HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.
SO WHAT STEPS DO WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP THIS MOMENTUM GOING? HABITAT HAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OUR CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE 40 STARTER HOME NEIGHBORHOOD IN TIMBER SKY, AND HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE
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SITE AND GRADING PLANS TO ALLOW US TO DEVELOP THAT LAND.BUT THAT MEANS HABITAT IS NOT BUILDING MORE STARTER HOMES FOR ANOTHER FULL YEAR.
THIS IS FAR FROM OKAY, AND IT IS A REMINDER THAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS SIMPLY A CONDUIT FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS YOUR DECLARED HOUSING EMERGENCY. IF THE CITY HAS LAND SET ASIDE FOR AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING CURRENTLY, HABITAT IS READY FOR THE CHALLENGE TO DEVELOP SUCH LANDS FOR THE USE OF THE CITY'S CONSTITUENTS.
FURTHERMORE, BARRIERS THAT MAKE OUR PARTNERSHIPS LESS EFFECTIVE ARE NOT HELPFUL.
HABITAT ONLY LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT THE CITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM, ESTABLISHED OVER 15 YEARS AGO, CAN NO LONGER PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR WATER AND SEWER TAP FEES.
THIS IS A $10,000 FINANCIAL BURDEN TO HABITAT FOR BUILDING HOMES ON CITY LAND TRUST LANDS THAT SUPPORT THE CITY'S CITIZENSHIP WORSE OFF. THE CITY ALREADY ALLOCATED $130,000 EARLIER THIS YEAR TO THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WHICH NOW CAN HARDLY BE UTILIZED.
MY HOPE IS THAT OUR CITY STAFF CAN FIND A SOLUTION TO ALLOW THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM TO FUNCTION AS IT DID, AS STARTER HOMES ARE A DIRECT BENEFIT FOR THE CITY ITSELF. WHEN WE HAVE MOMENTUM, WE CAN SPRINT TO THE FINISH LINE.
IF WE SLOW OUR MOMENTUM, THEN IT TAKES TWICE THE RESOURCES TO GET BACK UP TO SPEED.
UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING TIRED OF SEEING ME UP HERE, BUT I SINCERELY BELIEVE, AS MANY CLIMATE SCIENTISTS DO, THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT, ALL ENCOMPASSING ISSUE OF OUR TIME IS THE HUMAN CAUSED CLIMATE CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN.
WE MUST ADDRESS THE MAJOR CAUSES OUR OVERUSE OF FOSSIL FUELS, AGRICULTURAL ABUSES, HUMAN OVERPOPULATION OF OUR PLANET, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
WE MUST WORK TO MITIGATE EXTREME, DEVASTATING WEATHER EVENTS, SOCIAL INJUSTICE, PUSHING OTHER LIFE FORMS TOWARD EXTINCTION, AND ON AND ON.
AND IF WE ARE INDEED AIMING FOR CLIMATE NEUTRALITY BY 2030, THEN EVERY DECISION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES SHOULD BE EVALUATED IN TERMS OF ITS IMPACT ON THIS GOAL.
IF WE DON'T TAKE CLIMATE CHANGE SERIOUSLY, IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR FUTURE LIFE ON EARTH.
I'M NOT TRYING TO TALK GLOOM AND DOOM, JUST REALITY, AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IN FACT, YOU FOLKS HAVE POWER.
YOU CAN SET THE STANDARD FOR THE SOUTHWEST.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
HAYLEY REYNOLDS WITH CITY OF FLAGSTAFF PROSE.
HERE WITH FAITH AND MANNY WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE TO INVITE YOU ALL TO FLAGSTAFF'S WINTER WONDERLAND HOLIDAY TREE LIGHTING ON DECEMBER 2ND.
YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO JOIN IN THE FESTIVITIES AT BEGINNING AT 2 P.M.
HOT COCOA, CRAFTS, MUSIC AND MORE AND THEN RIDE ON THE FIRE TRUCK WITH SANTA CLAUS TO LIGHT OUR NEW CHRISTMAS OR HOLIDAY TREE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE AND WE'LL FOLLOW IT UP WITH AN EMAIL.
OH, I DON'T SEE ANY ONLINE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION EITHER.
MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
[5. Review of Draft Agenda for the November 21, 2023 City Council Meeting Citizens wishing to speak on agenda items not specifically called out by the City Council may submit a speaker card for their items of interest to the recording clerk.]
REVIEW OF DRAFT AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 21ST 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING COUNCIL.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAFT AGENDA? I DON'T SEE ANY ONLINE EITHER.
OKAY, SO THEN WE ARE MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES UPDATE.
[6. Flagstaff Shelter Services Update Presentation and Discussion]
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WELCOME. HELLO.ANYTIME TECHNOLOGY FACULTIES ARE ABOUT.
HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T START MOVING ON ITS OWN.
MAYOR DAGGETT, VICE MAYOR ASLIN AND THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
THE MISSION OF FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES IS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH EMERGENCY SHELTER AND THE TOOLS TO ACHIEVE HOUSING STABILITY REGARDLESS OF THEIR FAITH, SOBRIETY, AND MENTAL HEALTH.
AND WHILE OUR PROGRAM IS THE LARGEST IN NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHEN IT COMES TO SHELTER AND HOUSING AND ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE STATE, UNFORTUNATELY THE NEED IS NOT DECREASING.
A 2020 STUDY AT THE US GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE FOUND THAT NATIONALLY, FOR EVERY $100 INCREASE IN THE MEDIAN RENT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A 9% INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS IN COMMUNITIES.
WE'RE PROUD TO BE A LOW BARRIER SHELTER.
WE PROVIDE SAFE SHELTER AND HOUSING BASED EVIDENCE.
OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE HAVE SERVED OVER 94,000 BED NIGHTS TO ABOUT 2000 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 400 OLDER ADULTS.
WE KNOW WE ARE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT RISE IN OLDER ADULTS AMONG PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS THAT HAVE FIXED INCOMES AND ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO RENTAL UNITS IN OUR COMMUNITIES WITHOUT HELP.
YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE PERCENTAGES OF FOLKS THAT WE ARE SEEING COME THROUGH OUR DOORS.
ALMOST 40% OF OUR FOLKS ARE INDIGENOUS.
AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT WE'RE I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN OUR PRESENTATION, IS WORKING ON THERAPEUTIC AND HOLISTIC APPROACHES TO THE WORK THAT WE ARE WE ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ROOTED IN EQUITY, SO THAT THE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH OUR DOORS ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE SERVICES FROM ONE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE THEM. TO THAT, OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE ROOTED IN EQUITABLE PRACTICES, THAT PEOPLE CAN REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING HEARD AND RECEIVED IN A WELCOMING WAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY COME TO US.
WE SEE THAT NOT ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT CLOSE TO 20% OF OUR POPULATION ARE VETERANS.
MANY, MANY, MANY OF THE PEOPLE WE SERVE ARE EXPERIENCING OR HAVE EXPERIENCED DOMESTIC OR SEXUAL VIOLENCE, AND 13% OF THE PEOPLE WE SERVE ON A DAILY BASIS ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESSNESS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN THEIR LIFETIME.
SO THE LOCATIONS YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHERE WE ARE DOING IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO FULL.
THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE, AND THAT CERTAINLY INCREASES AS THE WEATHER OR THE STAKES BECOME HIGHER AS THE WEATHER TURNS COLDER IN THE WINTER TIME.
TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT LEFT IN AN EXPOSURE SETTING.
IT'S TRULY THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE ON THE STREET, OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS WHERE THEY CAN COME REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON.
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FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE FACING HOMELESSNESS.WE ARE WORKING ON TRAINING OUR STAFF UP SO THAT EVERY PERSON COMING IN IS WORKING WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS TRAUMA INFORMED CARE TRAINING THAT THEY CAN DEESCALATE RIGHT ON SCENE, AND THAT THEY'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH, FIRST AID TRAINING, SO THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH SITUATIONS AS THEY COME IN WAYS THAT ARE, AGAIN, THERAPEUTIC AND THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND GET OUT.
I'M ALSO REALLY EXCITED TO SAY THAT WE ARE FORGING A NEW PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FLAGSTAFF PD.
THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S A IT'S IT IS A RELATIONSHIP THAT IS NECESSARY THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH PD, WITH LEADERSHIP AT PD TO TALK ABOUT HOW CAN WE DO MORE WORK WITH YOU ALL COMING IN AND LESS OF AN ENFORCEMENT WAY AND MORE OF A RELATIONSHIP WAY IN PURSUIT OF REDUCTION OF CONSISTENT ISSUES, ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CARES TEAM THROUGH TAROTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A WARM HANDOFF.
IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING PICKED UP IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY CAN COME TO US AND IMMEDIATELY HAVE A RESPONSE THERE IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF THE CROWN WHICH MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO TOUR.
THIS BUILDING IS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO OUR INNOVATIVE AND, IN MY OPINION, LIFESAVING WORK DURING COVID, WHICH WAS GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF OUT OF CONGREGATE SHELTER AND INTO NON CONGREGATE SETTINGS SO ONE THEY COULD HEAL IF THEY WERE SUFFERING FROM COVID, BUT ALSO TWO, THAT TRULY YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOUSING.
THE CROWN HAS BEEN FULL SINCE APRIL 17TH, 2022.
THERE ARE 58 UNITS PREDOMINANTLY RIGHT NOW.
THE. THE BUILDING SEES SENIOR CITIZENS, MEDICALLY VULNERABLE FAMILIES.
SO WE ARE STILL OUR COMMUNITY'S RESPONSE FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE MEDICAL SITUATIONS WHERE THEY NEED TO COME IN AND GET OUT OF A CONGREGATE SETTING AND GET HEALTHY.
AS WE SHIFT INTO THE LANTERN, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THAT.
THERE IS NO OTHER THAN THREE UNITS THAT CATHOLIC CHARITY OPERATES.
THERE IS NO LOW BARRIER SHELTER IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND NOW WE'RE BRINGING 58 UNITS ON.
IF YOU GO OVER THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS NOT LIKE ANOTHER.
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, 30% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THIS SPACE THAT WERE THE HARDEST TO SERVE PRE, PRE MOVING INTO THE CROWN, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE PULLED SUPER EASY PEOPLE TO SERVE AND PUT THEM THERE TO HAVE GREAT OUTCOMES.
WE PUT VERY HIGH ACUITY FOLKS INTO THE CROWN THAT NEEDED STRONG SERVICES.
AND JUST BY BEING SURROUNDED BY THEIR OWN SPACE AND THEIR OWN SHOWER AND BEING IN THIS SPACE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF INSTANCES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THE CROWN, IN MY OPINION, IS THIS I THINK I'VE REFERRED TO IT TO YOU ALL BEFORE AS A LOVE LETTER TO COVID AND TO OUR COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO, IN MY OPINION, AN INCREDIBLE APPROACH TO GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF A CONGREGATE SETTING AND THEN KIND OF ON THEIR WAY.
WE ALSO HAVE HOUSING CASE MANAGEMENT THAT IS IN SPACE.
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THE LANTERN, THIS BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.AND SO NOBODY IS MOVING INTO THAT BUILDING UNTIL THOSE ARE REPLACED.
SO I AM THRILLED TO TELL YOU THAT THAT PROCESS IS MOVING.
SO THAT'S 103 UNITS SPECIFICALLY FOR SINGLES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S COMING TO YOU SOON.
THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY, TO MOVE THE CROWN INTO HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH THE HELP OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
THEY CAN BE A BLIGHT ON A COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, I THINK THEY ARE A SHINING STAR FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND MANY, MANY WAYS.
SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
WE ARE WORKING CURRENTLY WITH ADOT TO TRY TO GET A BUS STOP IN FRONT OF THE CROWN.
SO IN TERMS OF OUR SERVICE, WE ARE SO MUCH MORE THAN EMERGENCY SHELTER.
I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THAT 75% OF OUR BUDGET GOES TO EMERGENCY SHELTER, BUT I THINK THE REAL HEARTBEAT OF OUR WORK IS HOUSING BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO HOMELESSNESS IS HOUSING, RIGHT? IT SEEMS SIMPLE, BUT SOMEHOW WE GET PRETTY LOST SOMETIMES WITH IT.
24 OVER SEVEN SHELTER 365 DAYS A YEAR.
WE HAVE DAY SERVICES HAPPENING.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCESS EMERGENCY SHELTER TO ACCESS DAY SERVICES WHERE YOU CAN GET A SHOWER.
MEAL SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE FLAGSTAFF FAMILY FOOD CENTER.
WE ARE 50% OF THE FRONT DOOR COORDINATED ENTRY ACCESS POINT.
SO IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THIS COMMUNITY, YOU CAN COME TO FLAGSTAFF OR FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND RECEIVE A DIRECT MEETING WITH A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL TO TALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE BEST NEXT RESOURCE, WHETHER IT'S US OR WHETHER IT IS, YOU KNOW, NATION'S FINEST OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES, ALL THE OTHER AMAZING PROGRAMS IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU CAN GET ACCESS THROUGH FRONT DOOR, WHICH WE WE SHARE THAT RESPONSIBILITY WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO OPERATE.
WE ARE AN INNOVATOR WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING CASE MANAGEMENT AND OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS, BELIEVING THAT TRULY THAT WE SHOULD GET PEOPLE HOUSED FIRST AND THEN PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO KEEP THEM IN PLACE, THAT PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE TRAINED TO LIVE IN A HOME, AND THAT THEY DON'T NEED LENGTHY TWO YEAR PROGRAMS TO LEARN HOW TO BE HOUSED.
WE OPERATE A MULTITUDE OF PROGRAMS AROUND THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY NUANCED. I WON'T GO SUPER INTO THAT, BUT REALLY, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE HOUSED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S THE BIG THING YOU NEED TO KNOW. AT EACH LOCATION THAT I SHOWED YOU, WE HAVE ON SITE CONNECTIONS TO PHYSICAL, BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS AND RESOURCES THAT'S CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE.
SO NAKA, THE GUIDANCE CENTER, SOUTHWEST BEHAVIORAL NORTH COUNTRY HEALTH CARE, JUST TO NAME A FEW, ARE ON SITE MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS AND WILL BE AT THE LANTERN AS WELL.
IT IS A TRUE PARTNERSHIP TO GET THIS DONE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST PROUD OF IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER IS THE INCREDIBLE INVESTMENT THAT OUR ORGANIZATION HAS MADE IN EQUITY WORK, AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT AS A PROVIDER THAT SERVES ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 60% INDIGENOUS FOLKS, IT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T SEE 40, 40 TO 60% OF OUR OUTCOME STORIES COMING OUT OF OUR LARGER COMMUNITY THAT ARE INDIGENOUS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE MAJOR ACCESS ISSUES.
AND SO, THANKFULLY, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WENT ON THIS JOURNEY WITH OUR STAFF.
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WE ARE IN A 15 MONTH PROCESS WITH A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FACILITATOR, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED ARC FOR JUSTICE, TO REALLY DO THE DEEP DIVE, SCARY AND CURIOUS WORK OF GETTING AT WHERE INEQUITY LIES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE WORK TO OVERCOME THAT.IT LOOKS LIKE AUDITING OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, OUR HIRING PRACTICES, EVERYTHING TO SITTING DOWN AND LISTENING SESSIONS WITH OUR CLIENTS TO SAY, WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE HERE? TELL US ABOUT IT, AND THEN TO LEARN FROM IT AND DEVELOP WEEKLY RACE EQUITY WORK GROUPS THAT ARE MADE UP OF COMPENSATED CLIENTS.
RIGHT. SO PEOPLE WE ARE INVESTING SAYING WE NEED YOUR OPINION SO BADLY, AND IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR WORK THAT WE WANT TO COMPENSATE YOU FOR BEING HERE, JUST LIKE WE'RE COMPENSATING EMPLOYEES TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION.
SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT THIS IS.
I THINK IT'S BRAVE, FRANKLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.
BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S SO WORTH IT BECAUSE FINDING WHERE THESE PLACES OF INEQUITY ISSUES LIE IS REALLY HOW WE GET TO THE HEART OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY AND STRUCTURAL ISSUES AROUND HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK WE ARE READY TO BE A LEADER IN THAT WORK.
THESE ARE REAL PICTURES OF REAL PEOPLE INVOLVED IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
EVERY EVERY PICTURE WE HAVE IS ONE OF A PERSON WHO HAS A STORY.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHILE I COULDN'T BRING ALL OF THEM HERE WITH US, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT EACH OF THESE FOLKS, ONE WANTED TO TELL THEIR STORY AND THEIR QUOTES, AND I CAN GIVE YOU LOTS OF INFORMATION ON THAT.
BUT REALLY, THAT IS A STORY OF HOPE THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS AFTER.
AND THE WORK IS NOT SIMPLE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
THE INCREASE IN FENTANYL USE AMONG OUR POPULATION SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE INJUSTICE AND ISSUES THAT EXIST NATIONWIDE RIGHT NOW. SO THE NUMBER OF NARCAN ADMINISTRATION THAT MY STAFF HAS HAVE HAD TO COMPLETE, THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, IT'S IT IS NOT OKAY.
RIGHT? LIKE, I'M NOT HERE TO PAINT THE SUNNY PICTURE OF EVERYTHING IS GREAT.
WE'VE GOT THESE PROGRAMS. I'M HERE TO PAINT THE REALITY THAT I, THAT I OFTEN THINK, YOU KNOW, MY INTENTION IS NOT TO WEAPONIZE THIS GROUP OF HUMANS, BECAUSE I THINK TALKING ABOUT FENTANYL IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL IS NOT ALWAYS THE WAY THAT YOU TUG ON THE HEARTSTRINGS.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT WE CAN'T GET PAST THIS KIND OF THING WITHOUT TALKING HOW IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO RENT RISING AND AND ACCESS TO GETTING PEOPLE HOME.
SO. I THINK WHAT I MOSTLY WANTED TO SAY TO YOU IS THAT WE NEED A RENAISSANCE.
AND WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? WELL, RIGHT NOW I'M ON THE GOVERNOR'S HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS INTERAGENCY COUNCIL.
BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE A MULTI PRONGED APPROACH.
IT DOESN'T JUST LOOK LIKE HOTELS.
IT DOESN'T JUST LOOK LIKE EMERGENCY SHELTER OR RAPID REHOUSING OR ANY OF THE THINGS IN OUR TOOL BELT THAT WE KNEW HOW TO DO PRE COVID BECAUSE IT IS POST COVID AND IT IS A DIFFERENT WORLD.
PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING CRISIS IN A WAY THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN.
AND SO WE NEED A MULTI PRONGED APPROACH THAT LEANS HEAVILY ON DIVERSION AND PREVENTION.
AND SHE'S BEEN THERE SO MUCH LONGER THAN I'M COMFORTABLE EVEN SHARING ON A MICROPHONE.
THAT SHE'S PAYING 200, 250 BUCKS A MONTH FOR.
SO HAVING AN APPROACH WHERE WE HAVE FUNDING THAT TALKS TO OUR COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE HISTORIC PLAN OF HOME OWNERSHIP OR OF WHAT WE WHAT WE MIGHT THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT INSTEAD HAVING FUNDING THAT SAYS, I CAN PAY YOUR STORAGE UNIT, GO TAKE THAT UNIT AND LET'S GET YOU OUT OF SHELTER SO YOU DON'T DIE HERE.
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AND I BELIEVE FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES IS THE ORGANIZATION TO HELP LEAD THAT CHARGE WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WITH YOUR HELP AND WITH YOUR GUIDANCE.SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU HERE TODAY.
THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AND I APPRECIATE ENDING ON THESE PHOTOS TO REMIND US ABOUT THE THE HUMANS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPPORT OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I WILL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, ROSS, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I'LL MIRROR THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS THERE.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ENDING ON THIS SLIDE WITH PICTURES AND SHARING THE STORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING SERVED BY SHELTER SERVICES. I WORK WITH YOU ON A MORE DIRECT LEVEL IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CAPACITIES.
SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THIS IN THE PAST, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I'M ON A FLIGHT RIGHT NOW, SO I'M TRYING TO HURRY THROUGH MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TAKE OFF, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST ASK ROSS WHAT THE UNSPOKEN QUESTION OR READ FIRST FROM THE SHELTER SERVICES.
WHAT IS OR WHAT DOES THAT HOUSING RENAISSANCE LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF US MEANINGFULLY PARTNERING WITH THIS AGENCY TO PROVIDE THAT GATEWAY TO HOUSING OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU'RE HAVING ON BOARD? THANK YOU. I.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE, I THINK I, I HEARD THE PART ABOUT THE UNSPOKEN PIECE, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING AFTER I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE UNSPOKEN PIECE AND HOW WE CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY PARTNER WITH FLAGSTAFF, SHELTER SERVICES AND AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. IS DOES THAT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNSPOKEN PIECES.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT IS A TRUE COMMUNITY CRISIS THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT IN A WAY THAT SORT OF SETS ASIDE SOME OF THE BIAS OR.
YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE BRING THEIR OWN KIND OF STUFF TO THE TABLE.
I WOULD SAY THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF REVIVING THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS PROBLEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING IT.
THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR WHAT I JUST SHARED WITH YOU, WHICH IS RENTS ARE ON THE RISE, AND IT DIDN'T GET EASIER FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY DOWN AND OUT.
LIKE IF COVID WAS HARD FOR ME, IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR PEOPLE ON THE FRINGE.
AND I THINK THAT AS PART OF BRINGING THE HOUSING COMMISSION FURTHER INTO IT, I THINK IT'S PART OF BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE USING THE HOUSING BOND, HOW WE'RE USING FUNDS THAT COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY SPECIFIC FOR SHELTER AND UNSHELTERED FOLKS, AND GETTING PAST WHAT FEELS LIKE, OH, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO FUND EVERYBODY AND REALLY START LOOKING AT NUMBERS, REALLY START LOOKING AT OUTCOMES? I DO THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE TALKING ABOUT IF WE REALLY CARE, IF WE REALLY WANT TO SAY THIS IS A CRISIS, THEN WE HAVE TO START TALKING IN AN INNOVATIVE WAY AND THINKING ABOUT FUNDING IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
AND THAT'S ON EVERYBODY, INCLUDING MYSELF.
RUSS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK AT THE SHELTER.
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I HAVE A LARGE HEART FOR OUR SHELTER POPULATION AND MY STAY THERE, NOT STAYING THERE, BUT WHEN I WAS WORKING THERE, REALLY OPENED MY EYES TO OUR.THE CHALLENGES OF OUR UNSHELTERED IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
SOME ARE LEFT ON THEIR DOORSTEPS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE THE WHY OF THE 17 AND 40.
I THINK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THOUGH.
WHEN I WAS LAST THERE, THE CAPACITY I THINK WAS 110.
BUT YOU HAVE SINCE BUILT A MEZZANINE OF SOME SORT.
WHAT IS THE CAPACITY AT HUNTINGTON 186? SO YES, AND I HOPE I'M UNDER THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS TO CONFESS THAT WHEN I WAS THERE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, I FREQUENTLY WENT OVER THE MAXIMUM PERSONS ALLOWED IN THE SHELTER TO ABOUT 125.
SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAD THE CAPACITY OF 186.
I WAS CURIOUS, THOUGH, AND I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I EXPERIENCED WHEN I WAS WORKING THERE WAS THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSIENT UNSHELTERED.
IS THERE DO YOU DO ON YOUR INTAKE? ARE YOU CAPTURING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM OTHER LOCATIONS? I FREQUENTLY REMEMBER FIELDING PHONE CALLS OF PEOPLE SAYING, I'M IN CALIFORNIA, I'M IN UTAH.
DO YOU HAVE A BED AVAILABLE FOR ME? AND A COUPLE OF DAYS. SO DO YOU GUYS TRACK THAT? YES. SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION AND FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
AND I WOULD SAY WE WE CAPTURED IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THOSE TWO.
IF YOU'RE COMING THROUGH TO THAT PIECE, WE'RE CAPTURING THAT INFORMATION WHERE YOU COME FROM IN OUR HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM, WHICH WE, AS YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN, AND ALL OF OUR INFORMATION IS TRACKED THAT WAY.
WE ASK A QUESTION OF WHERE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
CERTAINLY, THAT'S AN INACCURATE NUMBER, PROBABLY PERCENTAGE WISE, OF WHAT PEOPLE TELL US.
WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, IT'S HOW WE TRACK RECIDIVISM.
IT'S HOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT REALLY THE NEXT STEPS FOR FOLKS.
THERE IS THE JANUARY POINT IN TIME COUNT, WHICH IS ALSO DEEPLY FLAWED, IN MY OPINION, AND I THINK LARGELY RECOGNIZED AS A TOOL THAT GETS US CLOSE TO WHAT OUR NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, BUT NOT CERTAINLY NOT WHAT LOOKS EQUITABLE.
BASED ON THAT COUNT, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND 80 FOLKS PER YEAR.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SLEEPING OUTSIDE.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, ONE IS TOO MANY, BUT 40 TO 80 FOLKS, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE 600 PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND HOW OUR ORGANIZATION IS SERVING CLOSE TO TWO THIRDS OF THOSE FOLKS, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S MY POINT IN SAYING ALL OF THAT IS WE'RE TRACKING WHERE THEY COME FROM AT THAT POINT, UNSHELTERED OR IN SHELTER THROUGH THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.
AND A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, DO YOU SPEND THE SAME PLACE IN THE SUMMER THAT YOU SPEND IN THE WINTER? 80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED SAID, I'M HERE IN THE SUMMER AND IN THE WINTER.
SO I THINK THERE'S THERE'S CERTAINLY PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.
PLEASE DON'T, BECAUSE IT'S REAL HARD TO BE WITHOUT A HOME HERE.
I SAID THE SAME THING, SO THANK YOU.
I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE CROWN AND THE LANTERN.
NOW, YOU HAD IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU HAD SAID THAT THIS WAS MAINLY FOR FAMILIES.
IS THAT CORRECT, OR DID I MISREAD THAT? NO. SO IT'S PART OF THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS.
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AND SO THE FUNDING HAS A FIVE YEAR SORT OF NOTE TO IT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO FUNCTION EITHER AS EMERGENCY SHELTER OR TRANSITIONAL SHELTER OR BRIDGE HOUSING.AND I THINK BEING ABLE TO FORECAST AT THIS POINT ALMOST THREE YEARS FROM NOW FEELS HARD.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE AN ACTIVE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN RIGHT NOW HAPPENING TO RESTORE MUCH OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT COULD FUNCTION IN THAT WAY, KITCHENETTES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT'S GETTING A NEW ROOF AS OF TODAY.
SO THE LANTERN WAS IT THREE STORIES FOR FOUR AND A HALF AND FOR SINGLES MAINLY? YEP. JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE I LIVE IN THAT SPACE TOO.
THE SECURITY FOR THAT, MY LITTLE NONPROFIT, IS ONE STORIES AND A FRACTION OF THE SIZE AND.
I THINK YOU'LL. I THINK YOU'LL BE DELIGHTED TO SEE HOW.
WHEN IT'S TRAINED AND STAFFED PROPERLY.
SO I THINK IT DOES SPEAK TO THE BEAUTY OF WHAT HAPPENS, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS GET HOUSED.
I WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT ON THE STORAGE.
I LOVE THAT YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT POSSESSION, IF YOU WILL.
THAT'S RIGHT. FOR AND SHELTER.
SO I APPRECIATED YOUR SAYING THAT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WENT OVER EVERYTHING.
SO YOU'RE YOU'RE STILL RUNNING AS A SHELTER ON ALL THREE PROPERTIES IS THERE.
THERE USED TO BE A SIX MONTH LENGTH.
SO THERE'S NO LENGTH OF STAY FOR ANY OF OUR PROGRAMS EXCEPT THE AGAIN MENTIONING THAT PART WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING HAVING THE THE THE NOTE ON THAT FIRST FIVE YEARS.
SO THE BUILDING IS IS OUTRIGHT PAID FOR.
AND SO THAT TO BE FUNCTIONING AS AN EMERGENCY OR A TRANSITIONAL SHELTER DOES HAVE A TWO YEAR LIMIT.
SO AT THAT TWO YEAR LIMIT FOR US, WE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS PERSON? WHERE ARE THEY GOING? LIKE I SAID RIGHT NOW AT THE CROWN, THIS IS LARGELY FAMILIES, SENIOR CITIZENS AND MEDICALLY VULNERABLE.
SO WE'RE MOVING A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGH.
YES, GREAT QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY ROSS I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU'VE HAD TO TRAVEL DOWN A DIFFICULT ROAD.
AND. SOME SOME OF THAT CAME FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT UP HERE, I HAVE TO ADMIT.
NOT ME. BUT BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE DO APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK, AND I'M REALLY GLAD TO SAY THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE AN OPEN MINDED ABOUT, OKAY, WE NEED TO CHANGE APPROACHES FROM TIME TO TIME TO MAKE IT CONTINUE TO WORK, TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER.
VICE-MAYOR AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK WE DO APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW THAT WE APPRECIATE IT AND NOT JUST SAY THAT WE DO.
YOU MENTIONED BARRIER LESS ACCESS.
AND WHILE I THINK I CAN INTUITIVELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, I'M WONDERING IF YOU I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME IN A BIT MORE DETAIL, AND ALSO WHY THAT'S MEANINGFUL AND IMPORTANT IN YOUR WORK.
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SO IT'S CREATING A PROGRAM THAT WORKS FOR US, BUT MAYBE DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT.WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING IN ALCOHOL, BUT WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO COME IN IF YOU ARE INTOXICATED.
SO COMING IN INTOXICATED, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
MENTAL ILLNESS. WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN A FAITH BASED SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE GOING ON, IT'S OKAY.
AND THERE ARE VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
LET'S TRY TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION.
AND I TELL YOU THAT MY STAFF WILL CALL ME AT 10:00 AT NIGHT AND SAY, HEY, THIS THING HAPPENED, WHAT DO WE DO? AND WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE SURE THE ANSWER IS NO.
THEY CAN'T COME. IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETIMES LATE CHECK INS.
SO YOU MAY WONDER IF YOU DRIVE UP TO THE SHELTER TONIGHT AT 9 P.M.
WHY SOMEONE'S OUTSIDE AND THEY SAY I CAN'T GET IN.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY WERE IN EARLIER AND THEY CAUSED A FIGHT.
SO AT THIS POINT, TWO PHONE CALLS HAVE TO BE MADE TO A SUPERVISOR.
AND TO ME, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU CAN'T BE HERE AND THAT AND I WILL CHALLENGE IT ALL DAY LONG, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO BE ON THE TAIL END OF A CONVERSATION TOMORROW ABOUT WHY SOMEONE DIDN'T SURVIVE THE NIGHT.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BARRIERS, IT LOOKS LIKE LETTING ANIMALS IN.
IT LOOKS LIKE IF SOMEBODY COMES WITH A DOG, THEY COME IN AND WE WORK THROUGH IT.
THAT'S REALLY I THINK, WHAT WHAT NO BARRIER IS ABOUT.
I AM SO SORRY, ROZ, THAT I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU LIKE THIS AND YOU NOT SEE ME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M JUST NOT IN THAT SITUATION WHERE I CAN DO ANY BETTER.
THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M SURE THAT, UM, ALL OF US, UH, AT LEAST I KNOW I SLEEP A LITTLE BIT EASIER AT NIGHT, KNOWING THAT THERE MAY BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO TO GET OUT OF THE COLD.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAD AND HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM.
SO. I HEARD VERY HAPHAZARDLY ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH THE FIVE YEAR LEASE OR, OR, UH, FUNDING THAT YOU RECEIVE FOR, FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THE THE END TO MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN THAT TIME IS UP, DO, UM, SHELTER SERVICES OWN THE BUILDING AND THEY CAN KEEP IT AND USE IT AS THEY SEE FIT? UH, IS IT PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN SELL, AND IF SO, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT? SO IT'S SOME OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SLEEPING EASIER AT NIGHT.
IN TERMS OF THE FIVE YEAR LEASE, IT'S NOT A LEASE, BUT IT'S A IT'S A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING THAT WE WILL USE THE BUILDING AS WE SAID WE WOULD IN OUR APPLICATION.
SO WE DO REPORT QUARTERLY TO THEM THAT OUR ORGANIZATION IS SERVING PEOPLE IN THIS WAY.
AND THEY LOOK AT OUR HMS THROUGH THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM DATA TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WE ARE KEEPING WITH THE FIDELITY OF OUR COMMITMENT AND BEING STRONG STEWARDS OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED.
AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS, THE BUILDING CAN FUNCTION, BUT WE ARE UNDER OBLIGATION TO NOT SELL THE BUILDING AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN PERPETUITY, WITH WITH OUR COMMITMENT TO, TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THOSE WE SERVE.
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IT CAN FUNCTION, THOUGH, AS A LONGER TERM POTENTIAL PERMANENT HOUSING OPTION FOR PEOPLE.AND AGAIN, THAT REMAINS TO BE SLIGHTLY UNSEEN, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE LONGER TERM SHELTER, AT LEAST FOR ANY FOR FOLKS WITHOUT RESTRICTION. SO IT WON'T EVER LOOK LIKE TRANSITIONAL SHELTER WITH THOSE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IT MIGHT NOT LOOK LIKE LEASED HOUSING EITHER.
DOES THAT HELP? UH, YES, A LITTLE BIT.
SO LET ME JUST GO A LITTLE BIT FIRST.
SO GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT STAYS AS ONE OF YOUR PROPERTIES.
OKAY. SO YOU WOULD NOT SELL THAT TO UH, AN ORGANIZATION FOR SOME OTHER USE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS MORE RELATED TO UM, I GUESS WANT TO JUST KIND OF PICK YOUR BRAIN A LITTLE BIT OR, UM, ASK YOU TO JUST KIND OF DO A WHAT IF OR OR I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT'S CALLED A WHAT IF.
UM, IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND YES, WE HAVE A HOUSING EMERGENCY.
WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING TWO AND THREE AND FOUR PEOPLE IN AN APARTMENT, TWO TO A BEDROOM OR MORE FOR, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT LIVING SITUATIONS. AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP ALL THOSE GROUPS TO DEAL WITH OUR HOUSING EMERGENCY.
UM. AND NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT MAYBE I AM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE UP FRONT AND HONEST.
SO HOW SHOULD WE DIVIDE THIS MONEY UP? WHERE ARE WHERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES? AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN OR NASTY OR ANYTHING.
I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
ARE YOU ASKING WHERE MY PRIORITIES ARE OR WHERE I HOPE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES ARE OR.
YEAH. WHEN? WHEN I SAY OUR PRIORITIES, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
AND WE CANNOT DO THIS UNLESS WE'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER.
SO THAT MEANS YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, EVERYBODY SITTING ON THE DAIS.
SO HOW HOW, HOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DIVIDE UP THOSE RESOURCES? OR HOW SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE DIVIDE UP THOSE RESOURCES? BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND THAT HOUSING IS JUST NOT FOR OUR UNHOUSED OR OUR UNSHELTERED.
OUR HOUSING CRISIS JUST NOT IS NOT ABOUT JUST ONE GROUP, OKAY? IT'S ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND YES, PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF MAYBE BEING ON THE STREET.
ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY A COMPLEX ONE THAT I KNOW THAT WE ALL GRAPPLE WITH IN MANY WAYS.
AND I THINK THAT THIS CONVERSATION CAN VERY, VERY CLEARLY TALK ABOUT THE TOOLS TO GET THERE, RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S DIVERSION OR PREVENTION OR EMERGENCY SHELTER OR WORKFORCE HOUSING OR WHATEVER THE TOOLS ARE.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, RESOURCE WISE, AND THEN PRIORITIZE THAT. I THINK LOOKING AT THE DATA, LOOKING AT NUMBERS AND OUTCOMES AND THE MATH OF IT ALL, IN MY OPINION, IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES COMING IN.
I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE, DOES THIS EQUAL SHELTER OR HOUSING? AND IF, IN MY OPINION, IF IT DOES NOT CHECK THE YES BOX ON THAT, WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
ONE PERSON HOUSED TWO PEOPLE HOMELESS EVERY DAY.
SO I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I THINK THAT I THINK THAT DIVERSION AND PREVENTION ARE 100% A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
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AND HOW DO WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE USED TO REQUIRE A YEAR'S LEASE WITH THIS FUNDING, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HELPING THIS PERSON STAY IN THEIR BROTHER'S HOUSE ALTOGETHER SO THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING EVICTED FROM THERE AND NEEDING TO FIND A NEW LEASE THAT, FRANKLY, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD UPFRONT.I THINK IT'S ABOUT THINKING ABOUT A LARGER TERM PERSPECTIVE.
FLAGSTAFF IS REMARKABLE IN THAT WAY.
SERVICES THAT AREN'T GOING TO EQUAL THAT.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IF A PERSON FINDS THEMSELF NEEDING SHELTER FOR THE NIGHT, WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT THEY CAN MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE SHELTER? PEOPLE WHO CAN'T TAKE THE BUS, OR JUST WHAT ARE ALL THE WAYS THAT SOMEONE CAN GET TO THE SHELTER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IN THE LAST I WOULD SAY THIS WILL BE THE THIRD YEAR.
GOING INTO IT IS A PARTNERSHIP THROUGH CAREFIRST THAT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO IF YOU CALL.
SO YOU MAY OR ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE CAN PICK UP THE PHONE IF THEY COMMUNICATE WITH SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO GET TO SHELTER AND WANTS TO COME TO SHELTER, WE CAN SEND A TAXI TO GO PICK THEM UP THAT IS SPECIFIC TO EVENING AND OVERNIGHT IN THE WINTER.
AT THAT TIME. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THERE AT THE AT THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD CALL.
THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW THIS WORKS, BUT IT DOES SAY IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE TALKING TO THEM AND SAYING, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO GET TO SHELTER? AND THEY DO, YOU CAN CALL US AND WE'LL GO PICK THEM UP.
THE OTHER PIECE TO IT IS THAT YOU CAN CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE.
SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO IF YOU SEE SOMEONE THAT MIGHT NEED HELP, LET'S TALK IT THROUGH.
YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL THE SHELTER AND WE CAN WE CAN HAVE THAT DIALOG.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE OTHER PARTNERSHIPS TO GET THERE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE COLD, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT FRONT DOOR AND THAT THEY CAN GET TO US IN A SOONER CAPACITY.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE HOW WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
LET'S NOT LEAVE ANYBODY OUT ON THE STREET THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO OR THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING BEFORE THEY FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT SHELTER, CONTACT FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE HELP AVAILABLE? ABSOLUTELY. WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO PREVENTION PREVENTION RESOURCES.
IT IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TO MENTION BETTER FOR THE FAMILY OR THE HOUSEHOLD THAT MIGHT BE EVICTED.
IF WE CAN KEEP PEOPLE IN PLACE RATHER THAN SEEING THEM IN OUR SYSTEM AND THEN NEED TO REHOUSE THEM.
SO IT'S NOT AN ENDLESS POT, BUT IT IS A CHANCE FOR US TO TRY TO CATCH PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GET TO A PLACE WHERE THEY NEED A DIFFERENT KIND OF SERVICE INTERVENTION. AND YOU'VE BEEN PARTICULARLY SUCCESSFUL IN ADDRESSING NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND PIVOTING ON THE ON A DIME.
AND. AND REALLY KIND OF BEING FLUID IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE REAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW ALSO FROM PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE US VERY SPECIFIC DATA ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE AND HOW MONEY IS USED.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU'VE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.
DATA GATHERING AND SYSTEMS AND AND KIND OF WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS IN MIND WHEN THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT COLLECTING DATA FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO COME IN CONTACT WITH YOUR SERVICES? SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MAYOR.
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WE WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO OUR FUNDERS, BOTH PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY, THAT WE ARE GOING TO.RIGHT. SO AGAIN, I'VE MENTIONED THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM, THAT IS A NATIONAL DATABASE THAT IS USED AMONG SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT RECEIVE LEVELS OF PUBLIC FUNDING.
RIGHT? SO LIKE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH REQUIRED TO BE A PART OF THAT WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
IF YOU ARE A PART OF A LARGER SYSTEM, AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY CASES WHERE, LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PARTNERS DON'T USE HMS IN THE SAME WAY OR EVEN AT ALL BECAUSE OF CONFIDENTIALITY AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
BUT THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT WE ESSENTIALLY PAY INTO.
WE WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT EACH STAFF MEMBER THAT COMES IN IS TRAINED ON HOW TO USE IT AND THAT WE HOLD THAT RESPONSIBILITY AT, WITH WITH, GREAT WITH, GREAT WITH.
JUST COMPLETE TRAINING AND CANDOR.
MOST OF THE AGENCIES YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY ALSO USE HMS. AND SO IT IS A WAY FOR US TO SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, EVEN IF OUR PROGRAMS DO NOT.
AND SO THAT'S A WAY FOR US TO CAPTURE INFORMATION, TO REALLY GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW ARE WE SERVING PEOPLE? ARE THEY COMING BACK IN? WHAT WAS THEIR HOUSING PLACEMENT WHEN THEY LEFT? RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY LEFT OUR PROGRAM, DID THEY GO INTO PERMANENT HOUSING OR ARE THEY BACK ON THE STREETS WHERE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? AND SO THAT'S A GREAT WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE FOLKS WE SERVE AND ALSO KEEP WITH THE AUTHENTICITY OF OUR PROGRAMS AND REALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. WE ALSO ARE AUDITED BY EVERY EVERY PERSON UNDER THE SUN AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND PARTICIPATE IN A SINGLE AUDIT ANNUALLY.
I MEAN, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I VIRTUALLY STOOD IN FRONT OF YOU AND GAVE A PRESENTATION.
AND ONE OF THE LARGEST CONVERSATIONS WAS, DO PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE RACIALLY COMING TO YOUR SHELTER? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE SPENT $100,000 OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES TO HAVE A SAFE NIGHT'S SLEEP.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USE THE DATA FOR.
WE USE IT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR ORGANIZATION DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO, AND HOW DO PEOPLE GET TO US IN A WAY THAT THEY THAT WE CAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOUSING IN A LONG TERM WAY. THANK YOU.
AND THAT RAISES ANOTHER QUESTION.
THE THERE'S A CONTINUUM OF CARE RIGHT.
SO IT'S ORGANIZATIONS IN COCONINO COUNTY WHO MEET REGULARLY AND SHARE ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION.
SO DOES THAT PROVIDE A SAFETY NET OF ANY KIND FOR INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE.
UH. ARE WE HOW ARE WE KEEPING TRACK OF PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING WHAT THEY NEED AND THAT THEY DON'T FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS? SO, YES, THERE IS A THE LARGER SYSTEM AS A WHOLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPLOYS A SYSTEM AROUND CONTINUUMS OF CARE.
SO IN ARIZONA THERE ARE THREE CONTINUUMS OF CARE.
THERE'S PIMA COUNTY, MARICOPA COUNTY, AND THEN THE BALANCE OF STATE, WHICH IS EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE POINT IN TIME DATA, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HIS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND FUNDING AND RESOURCES DISSEMINATED THROUGH CONTINUOUS CONTINUUMS OF CARE, WE HAVE BI MONTHLY MEETINGS, MYSELF, KIMI ROZMAN WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND HEATHER MARCY WITH NORTHLAND FAMILY ARE THE CO-CHAIRS OF OUR LOCAL COALITION.
I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN MATTHEWS SITS ON THAT, AND WE WE ALWAYS HAVE ROOM FOR MORE MEMBERS AND TO COME OUT AND EVEN SIT AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, EVEN JUST FOR ONE MEETING, I THINK WOULD BE INCREDIBLY EYE OPENING FOR YOU.
THERE ARE CLOSE TO 80 MEMBERS THAT COME AND GO FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NOT JUST HOMELESS SERVICES, BUT HOUSING AND FOOD AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE A SAFETY NET AND BEYOND.
RIGHT? I THINK THE MOST TIME THAT WE SEE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS IS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING TO FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES, RIGHT? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE CONTINUUM OF CARE DOES A BANG UP JOB AT GETTING OUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE THEY BECOME A CRISIS.
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BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS A CRISIS SYSTEM THAT IS HOUSED WITHIN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.AND THAT, I THINK, IS REALLY THE WAY THAT WE WE GET IT DONE.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO BOARD MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE AND FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION AND YOUR SUPPORT OF THE SHELTER STAFF.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY AND THAT YOU WORK SO HARD TO TO DO WHAT'S BEST.
70% OF OUR STAFF AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE SOMEWHERE ACROSS THE HOMELESSNESS, HOUSING, MENTAL HEALTH AND AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO WE REALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO WALK THE WALK.
AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THEY CAME OUT THIS EVENING AND THAT YOU LET US.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
[7. Update on the Land Availability and Suitability Study and Code Analysis Project For discussion only. ]
OKAY. SORRY FOR THE DELAY.ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT IS FIRING UP.
I'M JUST GOING TO DO A QUICK INTRODUCTION.
SO I'M MICHELLE MCNULTY, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
AND WITH ME THIS EVENING IS THE CONSULTANT TEAM ON THIS PROJECT.
AND I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
BUT ALSO THE CORE PROJECT TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES TIFFANY ANTOL, GENEVIEVE PEARTHREE, JENNIFER MICKELSON AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER STAFF THAT HAVE REALLY BEEN INTEGRAL TO THIS.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO GIVE A COUPLE UPDATES, BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T HEARD IT OR JUST A REFRESHER, JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS IS A MULTI PRONGED INITIATIVE TO ADDRESS CRITICAL LONG TERM PLANNING AND RESILIENCY NEEDS BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT LANDS WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND WHAT ARE THE POTENTIALS AND BARRIERS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A FINANCIAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN PLANNING, HOUSING, SUSTAINABILITY AND MOUNTAIN LION.
BUT IT'S REALLY A HIGHLY COORDINATED WITH ENGINEERING INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC, FIRE, BUILDING SAFETY, ECONOMIC VITALITY, WATER SERVICES AND OTHERS.
AND IT'S PROVIDING THAT MUCH NEEDED BASE FOR A HIGH LEVEL COORDINATION BETWEEN NUMEROUS DIVISIONS.
THIS IS ABOUT PRIORITIZING OUR PRIORITIZING OUR PRIORITIES BY ADJUSTING DEVELOPMENT CODES SO THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD OUR GOALS AND NOT CONFLICT IN A WAY THAT NO DIALS MOVE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS TRYING TO BE TURNED.
AND AS YOU LISTEN TO THIS UPDATE, PLEASE THINK ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION OR DATA YOU NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT CODE IN THE FUTURE, AND WHAT ASPECTS OF THE CODE OR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS HAVE BEEN UNCLEAR TO YOU, AND THAT WE CAN CLARIFY OR PROVIDE DEEPER INSIGHT INTO.
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BUT JUST TO KIND OF GET YOU THINKING.AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO READ STAPLETON.
STAPLETON. AND I'M GOING TO PUT THIS ON PRESENTATION MODE.
IT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS MAYOR.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN A GREAT COUPLE OF DAYS.
YOU ALL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY.
WE'VE BEEN SPENDING THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WORKING WITH MAPS AND HIGH LEVEL AERIAL PHOTOS AND ALL SORTS OF GIS DATA, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO SUBSTITUTE FOR GETTING OUT AND SEEING THE PROPERTIES AND GETTING A FEEL FOR HOW THEY HOW THEY LOOK, WHAT THE ACCESS LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE SLOPE IS.
SO IT'S BEEN A REALLY INTERESTING COUPLE OF DAYS AND WE'VE GOT ONE MORE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL.
SO I'M WITH DALE IS THE NAME OF MY COMPANY.
WE ARE A CIVIL ENGINEERING AND LAND USE PLANNING FIRM.
THERE IS A PARALLEL EFFORT, SUBSTANTIAL ONE THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT AND HAS BEGUN LOOKING AT THE CITY'S CODES AND PROCESSES TO IDENTIFY HOW MIGHT THEY BE RIGHT, FITTED OR ADJUSTED TO BETTER MEET THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY AND HOUSING PRODUCTION GOALS.
I'M JOINED HERE WITH JAMIN KIMMEL FROM CASCADIA PARTNERS.
CASCADIA PARTNERS IS OUR CONSULTANT PARTNER WHO'S DOING THE BULK OF THAT CODE ANALYSIS WORK.
AND WE ARE ALSO PARTNERING WITH A COUPLE OF FIRMS. I'LL NOTE HERE, GBD ARCHITECTS, WHO IS REALLY FOCUSED MORE ON THE BUILDING EFFICIENCY AND MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING SYSTEM, THAT THAT TYPE OF KIND OF TECHIE, WONKY BUILDING SPECIFIC CODE WORK.
THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND BEGUN TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK.
AND THEN WE HAVE BUILDING COMMUNITY FLAGSTAFF ON OUR TEAM AS WELL.
AND RENEE READ FROM BUILDING COMMUNITY FLAGSTAFF IS POISED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC MORE INTENSIVELY IN THE COMING MONTHS AS WE REALLY START TO TAKE A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT THE CODE.
AND THEN I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE DAO TEAM WHO ARE HERE.
MATT ROBINSON AND KATE SILBER ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THE TECHNICAL WORK BEHIND THE SCENES, AND PAULINE ROIG FROM CASCADIA PARTNERS IS HERE AS WELL AND IS JASMINE'S RIGHT HAND.
SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD TEAM HERE WORKING TO TO REALLY START TO TO SORT THESE THINGS OUT.
SO THE AGENDA OF OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, WE'LL JUST BRIEFLY MENTION THE PROJECT PURPOSE.
SO, AS MICHELLE ALLUDED TO THERE, MULTIPLE EFFORTS GOING ON WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND REALLY THE KEY TO THAT EFFORT, AND THE REASON WHY THESE THINGS ARE GOING IN PARALLEL IS THE IDEA AND THE NOTION THAT THE BARRIERS THAT WE OBSERVE WITH DEVELOPMENT WILL ILLUMINATE SOME OF THESE CODE CONCEPTS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A SMART THING THAT THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO PUT THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
AND, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE EVIDENCE OF WHERE THOSE THINGS MAY INTERSECT.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT.
AND WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE CITY AND TESTING SOME OF OUR CODE CONCEPTS AGAINST THOSE TO SEE HOW THEY MIGHT HAVE POTENTIALLY CHANGED OUTCOMES.
AND JAIMAN CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT WHEN HE TAKES OVER THE PRESENTATION.
SO FOR THE LAND AVAILABILITY STUDY, THIS MAP INDICATES THE AREA OF OUR PROJECT AND WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT AT THE ATTRIBUTES OF THESE PROPERTIES, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SITES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE EXTENDED THAT BOUNDARY BEYOND JUST THE CITY LIMITS.
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WE DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT JUST TO THE CITY LIMITS, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS GROWING AND THAT IT WILL EXPAND IN THE FUTURE INTO SOME OF THESE PERIPHERAL SITES, ALTHOUGH THAT MIGHT NOT BE TOMORROW.HIGH LEVEL PROCESS FOR THAT LAND AVAILABILITY STUDY IS FIRST LOOKING AT WHAT SITES ARE VACANT AND WHAT SITES ARE VACANT ENOUGH TO REASONABLY CONCLUDE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME MARKET POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO REDEVELOP.
FROM THERE, WE HAVE THIS SORT OF MACRO INVENTORY.
WE'VE TAKEN CERTAIN GIS FACTORS, CERTAIN NATURAL RESOURCE SCREENING CRITERIA, OVERLAID THAT ON THOSE PROPERTIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RESIDUAL AREA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR HOUSING.
CAN I POP IN WITH A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITE THAT STILL HAS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF VACANT LAND.
AND I'LL SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT THOSE CRITERIA ARE THAT WE LOOKED AT.
BUT BUT THAT'S THE IDEA THAT JUST BECAUSE IT MAY IF YOU HAVE A TEN ACRE SITE THAT MAY HAVE A 50,000, A STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN ASSESSED AT $50,000, THERE'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF LAND LEFT OVER THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO EXCLUDE SITES LIKE THAT.
SO FROM THAT SORT OF NET INVENTORY THAT WE ESTABLISHED, THEN WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT WHAT PARTICULAR SITES REALLY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MOVE THE NEEDLE WHEN IT COMES TO PROVIDING HOUSING.
SO WHAT, AS WE'VE TERMED IN OUR PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITY SITES? AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THOSE, WHAT ARE THOSE SITES.
AND THE NEXT STAGE OF OUR PROCESS WILL BE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THOSE PROPERTIES, TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT, IF FILLED, COULD REALLY HELP KIND OF MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD AND MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE PLUG AND PLAY FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONES, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED COMMERCIAL ZONES AND ALSO INDUSTRIAL TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THERE'S A CERTAIN, ALTHOUGH VERY LIMITED, THERE'S A CERTAIN KIND OF NICHE RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT THAT CAN OCCUR.
I KNOW THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF IT, BUT WE WE LOOKED AT THAT, LOOKED AT INDUSTRIAL LAND AS WELL.
WITH THAT IN MIND, AND ALSO WITH THE IDEA THAT THAT COULD BE SOME KIND OF TERTIARY INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER WHEN THEY CONSIDER WHAT LANDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO INCLUDED PUBLIC LAND WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE COULD BE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE SURPLUSED AND AVAILABLE TO BE OFFERED UP INTO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE, OR OTHER PUBLIC AGENCIES TO PARTICIPATE IN HOUSING PROJECT.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT TO SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION, MRS. MAYOR, WE WE LOOKED AT THE, THE COUNTY ASSESSOR ATTRIBUTES FOR WHAT IS VACANT.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC PROPERTIES WHERE THERE'S NO ASSESSED VALUE, WE WE KIND OF QUALITATIVELY WENT IN THERE AND EXCLUDED CERTAIN SITES FOR OTHER FOR FOR PROPERTIES THAT DID REGISTER SOME IMPROVEMENT VALUE.
WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER EXAMPLE PROJECTS WHERE BUILDABLE LAND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE.
THERE'S A PARTICULAR EXAMPLE OF THIS IN SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THROUGH ONGOING PLANNING WORK THAT'S HAPPENING THERE, BUT WE BASICALLY TAKE THOSE SITES THAT HAVE AN ASSESSED VALUE ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE LOOK AT THE SITES THAT HAVE THE LOWEST, THE LOWEST 10% RATIO WHEN IT COMES TO VALUE PER ACRE.
AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT 10% THRESHOLD IS REALLY KIND OF THE BRIGHT LINE.
ANYTHING THAT FELL BELOW THE 10% PRESUMABLY HAD A ASSESSED VALUE THAT WAS LOW ENOUGH THAT MARKET PRESSURES COULD PUSH IT INTO A REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO, SO THAT THAT IS HOW WE SORT OF CREATED A POPULATION OF SITES THAT WERE PARTIALLY VACANT.
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STRIPS OF LAND NEXT TO RIGHT OF WAY THAT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ADEQUATE DEPTHS TO TO REALLY REALISTICALLY BE REDEVELOPED? WE LOOKED AT OBVIOUS MISTAKES, CONDO PLATS AND HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TRACKS THAT WERE CLEARLY DEDICATED TO STORM OR OTHER RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. WE EXCLUDED THOSE, AND THEN WE WENT ON AND WE APPLIED SOME ENVIRONMENTAL SCREENING.WE REMOVED ANYTHING THAT WAS RECOGNIZED AND MAPPED AS A WETLAND.
WE REMOVED STREAM BUFFERS ON 20 20FT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREAM.
WE EXCLUDED SLOPES OVER 25%, AND WE ALSO EXCLUDED 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN BASED ON THAT.
PART OF THAT SCREENING PROCESS.
AND SO WE LEANED HEAVILY ON THE CITY STAFF.
THEY SEE PROPOSALS OBVIOUSLY ALL THE TIME.
THEY SEE PRE-APPLICATION REQUESTS.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO A DEVELOPER STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE.
IT WAS A GROUP OF ABOUT 15 MEMBERS OF THE OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THEIR INSIGHTS FROM WHERE THEY'VE GONE AND DONE, FEASIBILITY AND DUE DILIGENCE STUDIES.
AND WE'VE WE'VE GATHERED THAT FEEDBACK AND HAVE INCORPORATED THAT, EXCUSE ME, INCORPORATED THAT INTO OUR OUR PRELIMINARY INVENTORY. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE WE HAD THOSE THOSE TWO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS ON OCTOBER 16TH AND 20TH.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF DETAILED FEEDBACK THAT THAT OUR TEAM IS, IS TAKING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH.
AND JAMESON'S TEAM IS IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO ALSO MENTION, AND I MENTIONED RENEE READ EARLY IN OUR PRESENTATION, SHE WILL BE TAKING THE LEAD WITH STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH.
SO WE DO PLAN TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE COMING MONTHS, REALLY STARTING PRIMARILY AT THE BEGINNING OF 24 AND GOING THROUGH THE END OF 24.
SO WE PROVIDED OUR PRELIMINARY INVENTORY TO CITY STAFF AND TO THE DEVELOPER STAKEHOLDERS TO GO AND GO BY EACH SITE ONE BY ONE AND CLICK ON THEM AND PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK.
SO THAT WAS A REALLY HELPFUL TOOL TOOL.
WE RECEIVED THAT FEEDBACK UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THAT HAS FED INTO OUR PROCESS AND HAS ALLOWED US TO EXCLUDE SOME SITES AND ALSO ALLOWED US TO DEVELOP THAT INVENTORY, THE PRELIMINARY INVENTORY OF THE OPPORTUNITY SITES.
SO THIS IS OUR OUR FINAL INVENTORY AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WITH THE THIS IS THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL LAND, THAT THAT NUMBER WAS CUT IN ABOUT HALF.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
JUST TO GIVE SOME SOME UNDERSTANDING OF SCALE.
WE WANTED TO PUSH SITES OUT THERE THAT HAD TWO ACRES, GENERALLY TWO ACRES OR GREATER, THAT COULD COULD REALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOUSING.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THOSE CONSTRAINED AREAS ARE.
STEEP SLOPES, 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN WAS UP THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN TO A MUCH LESSER DEGREE, WETLANDS AND STREAM BUFFERS.
THIS IS OUR PRELIMINARY OPPORTUNITY SITE LIST THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH.
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WE'VE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, GOING OUT TO THESE PROPERTIES, LOOKING TO SEE WHAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES MAY MAKE SENSE TO ADD, AND IF THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO TO TAKE OUT.SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF REFINING THIS LIST, AND WE EXPECT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS TO REALLY KIND OF RIGHT SIZE THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE THE PROPER SITES IN HERE. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT WE WILL BEGIN TO DO THAT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS.
AT THAT POINT, WE PLAN TO TO REALLY DIG IN AND IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE GAPS AND PROVIDE A SUMMARY REPORT THAT THAT SUMMARIZES WHAT THOSE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN WE ALSO INTEND TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THAT WE'VE OBSERVED WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRAINTS, AND LOOK TO WAYS IN WHICH THOSE CAN, CAN INFORM AND POSSIBLY LEAD TO CODE IMPROVEMENTS.
WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS OR WE CAN TRANSITION TO.
YEAH, JUST REAL FAST, I UNDERSTAND.
EXCLUDING. SQUARE FOOTAGE IN A FLOODPLAIN.
BUT WHY? WHY DID YOU GUYS CHOOSE THAT 100 YEAR THRESHOLD AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER NUMBER? YEAH, AND THESE DESIGNATIONS DON'T MEAN AS MUCH AS THEY USED TO.
WITH CLIMATE VARIABILITY, THE INDICATORS OF THE PAST NO LONGER PREDICT THE FUTURE.
SO ANSWER THE QUESTION WITH THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. NO, IT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND IT'S ONE THAT WE GRAPPLED WITH WHEN WE WERE KICKING THIS OFF.
WHERE WE WHERE WE KIND OF DREW THE LINE IN THAT WAS IF IF A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL CAME FORWARD, IS THERE A REGULATORY OBSTACLE, SPECIFIC REGULATORY OBSTACLE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING LIKE INSURANCE OR NOT NECESSARILY INSURANCE? BUT BUT COULD I GET THAT PROJECT PERMITTED? AND SO I'M SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
AND THAT WAS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.
WE CONSIDERED WHERE WE LANDED ON IT.
WAS THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE TRUE TO WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD EXPERIENCE IF THEY HAD A PROJECT AND WANTED TO COME FORWARD, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROJECT WOULD HIT HIT A BRICK WALL BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR REGULATORY OBSTACLE, WE WANTED TO PRIMARILY FOCUS ON REGULATORY OBSTACLES. WHEN IT CAME TO THE OVERALL, WHEN IT CAME TO THE OVERALL INVENTORY, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY PROJECT TEAM, WHEN WE HAVE REQUESTED FOR INPUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY SITES, IS THAT WE WE DO EXCLUDE SITES LIKE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN LIKE WILDFIRE RISK, THEIR WILDFIRE RISK MAPS.
SO OUR OUR SUGGESTION IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVERALL INVENTORY, RATHER THAN SORT OF PRESUPPOSE A, AN OBSTACLE THAT MAY NOT REALLY RUN INTO A PARTICULAR REGULATORY HURDLE.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO AND I SHOULD SAY WE DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY EXCLUDE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING TODAY IS WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN AND LOOKING AT THE THE SITES THAT WILL PRESUMABLY SEE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN LIFTED WHEN THE RIO DE FLAG PROJECT OCCURS.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SITES IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPPORTUNITY SITE LIST THAT HAVE ALREADY ANTICIPATED FUTURE FEMA MAP AMENDMENTS THAT WILL OCCUR AFTER THAT FLOOD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT OCCURS.
RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, AND.
GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
I'M A PARTNER WITH CASCADIA PARTNERS.
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DEALING WITH SOME OF THE HOUSING AND CLIMATE CHALLENGES YOU'RE SEEING.SO WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THIS PROJECT AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO DIGGING IN.
SO TODAY, THE MAIN GOAL FOR THE UPDATE ON THE CODE ANALYSIS PART OF THE PROJECT IS REALLY TO JUST GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THE KINDS OF INFORMATION AND ANALYSIS WE WILL BE PROVIDING IN THE LATER STAGES.
AND SO HOPEFULLY A GOOD CHANCE FOR YOU TO START TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK TO INFLUENCE HOW YOU APPROACH THIS WORK AND WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS MOST USEFUL. HOPE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE APPLYING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REAL PROJECTS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO SHARE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY, AND SOME ENGAGEMENT WE'VE DONE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO AS A WAY TO PREVIEW SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'LL BE LOOKING FURTHER INTO AND DIGGING INTO AS WE GET INTO THE ANALYSIS.
SO GETTING STARTING OFF WITH A LITTLE OVERVIEW AND US TO REFLECT BACK ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE AND THE GOALS FOR THIS CODE ANALYSIS PROJECT.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUSTAINABILITY HAVE BEEN LONG HELD PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND REALLY IMPORTANT GOALS FOR FLAGSTAFF. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN RECENT YEARS THAT THEY'VE BECOME EVEN MORE URGENT PRIORITIES.
AND YOU'VE ADOPTED SOME, SOME PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT CALL FOR SOME PRETTY BOLD AND URGENT ACTION ON YOUR HOUSING KIND OF TWIN CRISES HERE OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND RESILIENCE AND CARBON NEUTRALITY.
AND SO THE KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE IS THAT.
AND, AND IT'S REALLY A CRITICAL TOOL FOR YOU TO TRY TO INFLUENCE THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE GETTING AND WHAT KIND OF OUTCOMES YOU'RE GETTING FROM THOSE DEVELOPMENTS IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND SUSTAINABILITY.
AND THERE'S SOME MAYBE SOME REASONS WHY.
AND I THINK SOME STAKEHOLDERS AND THE CITY STAFF HAS SOME INTUITIONS OF WHY THAT CODE IS NOT GETTING YOU WHAT YOU WANT, BUT REALLY YOU NEED A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WHY ISN'T THE CODE GETTING US WHAT WE WANT? AND HOW COULD THE CODES BE MODIFIED TO BETTER DELIVER ON THOSE, THOSE, THOSE BIG POLICY GOALS WHICH ARE REALLY CHALLENGING ISSUES, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON THEM.
SO I MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS.
AND SO YOU KNOW WHEN WE SAY CODE WE'RE SAYING CODES IN PLURAL.
AND SO WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE TITLE OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR ONLY LOOKING AT THE ZONING CODE.
SO WE APPLAUD THE CITY FOR TAKING THAT STEP.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE HOW THE CODES ALIGNED WITH AND HOW EFFECTIVELY ARE THEY IMPLEMENTING THOSE KEY POLICY GOALS, BUT HOW ALIGNED ARE THEY WITH WITH EACH OTHER AND HOW INTERNALLY CONSISTENT ARE THERE? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT CODES ARE KIND OF ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION TOWARDS YOUR GOALS.
AND THERE'S AN INTUITION NOW THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE.
IT'S KIND OF A COMPLEX PROJECT.
SO I WANT TO START TO GET YOU AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS.
AND SO THE FIRST STEP IS JUST GETTING REALLY CLEAR ON WHEN WE SAY YOUR POLICY GOALS.
AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO WE MEAN BY THAT.
SO THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN, THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN, BUT ALSO THE REGIONAL PLAN AND HOW THE REGIONAL PLAN IS EVOLVING AND TODAY AND PULLING OUT, WHAT ARE THOSE KEY GOALS IN EACH OF THOSE PLANS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ADDRESSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT CODE? SO WHAT ARE THE THE GOALS IN THOSE PLANS THAT WE WANT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BETTER IMPLEMENT, BETTER MOVE US IN THE DIRECTION OF MEETING THOSE GOALS.
AND SO WE'RE IDENTIFYING KIND OF A SERIES OF POLICY GOALS THAT WILL BE OUR FRAMEWORK.
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SO IF WE SAY THAT A CODE STANDARD IS A BARRIER TO MEETING YOUR GOALS, WE'LL BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THOSE POLICY GOALS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE NUANCED.THERE'S THERE'S GOALS AROUND SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE.
THERE'S GOALS AROUND ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND NEW BUILDINGS.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING COMPREHENSIVE CONSIDERING ALL OF THOSE GOALS.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE SCOPE OF THE CODES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO RANGING FROM BUILDING CODE TO THE ZONING CODE, ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES LOOKING AT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL MANUALS THAT ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT, SOME OF THE STANDARDS IN THOSE MANUALS THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE FORM OF DEVELOPMENT, THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS AND HOW THOSE ARE CONDUCTED.
SO HOW WE'VE ORGANIZED THIS WORK IS INTO KIND OF THREE PHASES.
AND SO WE DID THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH CHECKPOINTS TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM FROM YOU ALL, BUT ALSO FROM OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AS WE MOVE ALONG AND TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR ANALYSIS AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO HOW WE SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO THE FIRST PHASE IS WHAT WE'RE IN NOW IS JUST WHAT WE'RE CALLING A DIAGNOSTIC.
AND SO THE IDEA HERE IS JUST TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CODE.
WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEMS TO ADDRESS.
USE THIS CODE AND WHAT ARE SOME ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO REFINING THOSE CONCEPTS INTO SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF IMPLEMENTING THOSE CODE CHANGES, AND WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO GET OUT OF THOSE AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE? SO ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE CODE DIAGNOSTIC, WHICH IS THE PHASE WE'RE IN NOW, I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE GRAPHIC BECAUSE IT'S QUITE.
THERE'S A LOT TO IT, BUT WANTED TO REALLY JUST GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ANALYZES WE'RE DOING AND THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL GET IN THE CODE DIAGNOSTICS, CODE DIAGNOSTIC DELIVERABLE.
AND I'M GOING TO GO INTO EACH SOME OF THESE IN A BIT MORE DETAIL SHORTLY.
BUT REALLY THE THE KEY MESSAGE HERE IS THAT THESE ARE ALL FEEDING INTO HOW WE EVALUATE THE CODE.
SO IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR REVIEWING THE CODE ITSELF, WE'RE LOOKING AT DATA ON YOUR PAST DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OR LOOKING AT TESTING SOME OF THE IMPACT OF POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES.
AND SO THIS IS A TOOL WE USE OFTEN THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS.
AND IT'S PARTICULARLY HELPFUL FOR KIND OF TESTING SOME OF THE QUANTITATIVE DIMENSIONS IN THE CODE.
AND SO YOU KNOW, ZONING CODES AND BUILDING CODES HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDS THAT SAY YOU MUST HAVE X AMOUNT OF THIS AREA OR SPACE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALL OF THOSE HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING GETS BUILT.
AND SO WE USE THESE PROTOTYPE MODELS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY JUST THINK ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR UNDER THESE THIS SET OF CODE STANDARDS. SO NOT ANY SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT USE IT AS A AS A TEST CASE FOR HOW THE CODE IS WORKING TODAY AND HOW IT COULD WORK IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM SOME WORK WE RECENTLY DID IN MISSOULA, MONTANA, THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THIS COULD HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE TRADE OFFS AND IN THE CODE.
AND SO THE KEY IDEA IS TO KIND OF RETHINK SOME OF THESE STANDARDS AS LEVERS.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT WHAT LEVERS ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON THOSE GOALS.
AND WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT LEVERS TO PULL.
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SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PULL MULTIPLE OF THEM.AND SO THIS IS A TYPICAL TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN THIS EXAMPLE IN MISSOULA. AND SO WE WE BUILD A MODEL THAT HOW MANY UNITS CAN YOU FIT ON THIS TYPICAL KIND OF SITE.
SO IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A FOUR STORY BUILDING.
YOU CAN FIT ABOUT 32 UNITS ON THIS SITE.
AND SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE OUTCOME WAS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HIT A FAIRLY HIGH RENT IN ORDER FOR THAT PROJECT TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. SO 2700 BUCKS PER UNIT WAS KIND OF THE AVERAGE THAT WE CAME UP WITH, WHICH IS REALLY ONLY AFFORDABLE TO FAIRLY HIGH INCOME GROUP IN THIS EXAMPLE FROM MISSOULA.
SO THEN WE TAKE IT THROUGH A PROCESS OF PULLING SOME OF THOSE LEVERS IN THE CODE AND SEEING HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S POSSIBLE AND THOSE AFFORDABILITY OUTCOMES.
AND SO WE PULLED SEVERAL DIFFERENT KINDS OF LEVERS TO TEST THE CHANGES.
YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT ON THIS SITE.
IT ALLOWED FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER NUMBER OF UNITS.
SO A HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE, THAT HIGHER DENSITY THEN TRANSLATES INTO BEING ABLE TO SPREAD THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT ACROSS MORE UNITS, WHICH ENABLES THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THOSE UNITS AT A LOWER PRICE POINT.
I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S LOW OR AFFORDABLE TO MANY TO A GOOD SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION, BUT IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT HOW MUCH YOU CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE BY CHANGING SOME OF THOSE LEVERS AND WHAT WHAT SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REACH JUST BY WITH YOUR MARKET RATE HOUSING, AND YOU MIGHT NEED OTHER TOOLS TO TRY TO REACH THOSE THAT SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PROTOTYPES.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ACTUAL BUILT PROJECTS IN FLAGSTAFF.
SOME OTHER MORE KIND OF QUALITATIVE ISSUES WITH THE CODE.
AND SO STAFF HAS PROVIDED US KIND OF THE FULL CASE FILES ON SEVEN DIFFERENT EXAMPLE PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF INDICATIVE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY TEND TO EXPERIENCE IN THE CODE.
WE'RE DOING A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND WHAT WHAT DOES THAT HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THAT IN THE FUTURE? EXCUSE ME ONE MOMENT.
WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. GETTING BACK TO YOUR LOVERS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS MODEL RIGHT HERE.
YOU'RE REDUCING THE UNIT SIZE DOWN TO 500FT².
IS THAT HOW I READ THAT? YEAH, I KIND OF BREEZED OVER THIS.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T CLEAR, BUT. YEAH, THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MINIMUM LAND AREA PER UNIT.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A MEASURE OF THE DENSITY ON THE SITE.
AND SO THIS HAS 500FT² PER UNIT OF LAND AREA.
THE UNITS ACTUALLY IN THESE APARTMENT BUILDING ARE PROBABLY MORE LIKE AN AVERAGE OF 800FT².
BUT THE UNIT SIZE DIDN'T CHANGE WHEN WE WHEN WE MOVED SOME OF THOSE WHEN WE TESTED THE CHANGES.
AND THEN REDUCING THE PARKING OBVIOUSLY ADDS MORE SPACE TO BUILD.
BUT IN THIS LEVER YOU'VE REDUCED IT TO LESS THAN A HALF A PARKING SPACE.
YEAH, THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THEIR EXISTING POLICY.
AND SO WITH THAT AND I, I HAVEN'T DUG INTO IT TO RESEARCH IT, BUT I'VE HEARD NOISE OUT LIKE BY TIMBER SKIES AND STUFF THAT WHICH IS A GREAT PROJECT THAT HAS REDUCED PARKING WITH THE VISION OF ENCOURAGING OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE COMMENTS ON DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA SITES THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CONVERTING TO AIRBNBS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE IT AS THEIR PRIMARY HOME WITHOUT THE PARKING.
SO IN THIS STUDY, WILL YOU ALSO LOOK AT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE UP HERE.
IS AIRBNB'S TAKING OVER OUR AVAILABLE RENTAL SPACES.
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YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF TENSIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN, IN LOOKING AT HOW DO YOU MOVE THE NEEDLE ON SOME OF YOUR HOUSING ISSUES? WE KNOW THAT REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIRED CAN HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT, THE DENSITY, BUT IT COULD HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND CERTAINLY WE WILL BE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE IN TANDEM AND TRYING TO HELP THE CITY BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THE CODE MAY BALANCE SOME OF THOSE COMPETING PRIORITIES.SO ANOTHER KIND OF DIMENSION TO THIS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS FOCUSING NOT JUST ON NEW HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE PRODUCED, BUT HOW IS THE CODE TODAY, OR POTENTIAL CHANGES TO CODES IN THE FUTURE COULD AFFECT THE ABILITY FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN IN THEIR CURRENT HOUSING. AND SO LOOKING AT WOULD A CHANGE IN THE CODE ACTUALLY ACCELERATE SOME OF THE MARKET TRENDS AND DYNAMICS THAT LEAD PEOPLE TO BE DISPLACED FROM THEIR CURRENT HOUSING? AND SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF A CODE CHANGE, AND PARTICULARLY IF IT CONCENTRATES DEVELOPMENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S MANY POPULATIONS THAT ARE VULNERABLE TO BEING DISPLACED.
AND SO THE FIRST STEP IN THAT IS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN FLAGSTAFF? AND SO WE'VE STARTED ON A FAIRLY DATA DRIVEN PROCESS TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE POPULATIONS THAT MIGHT BE VULNERABLE TO DISPLACEMENT.
AND WE'LL USE SOME OF THAT MAPPING THEN AS A LENS TO VIEW THE CURRENT CODE, POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES TO SAY, WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT ON THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? AND IF SO, WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT CHANGE AND THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE AVOID OR MITIGATE THAT ISSUE.
ONE WAS THAT MANY PROJECTS ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE CALL A DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO APPROVAL PROCESS THAT REQUIRES APPROVAL THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL APPLYING A KIND OF A HAVING SOME DISCRETION OVER WHAT THAT PROJECT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT AND WHETHER IT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE OR NOT.
AND THOSE THERE'S A SENSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT MORE OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE BECOMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL THAN SEEMS NECESSARY, AS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US FOR MORE OF THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
ANOTHER PIECE OF FEEDBACK WE'VE HEARD IS THAT SOME OF THE STEPS IN THE REVIEW PROCEDURE, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THAT'S MAINLY REVIEWED BY STAFF, SOME OF THOSE STEPS COULD BE STREAMLINED.
SO WE'RE KIND OF TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE.
AND SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE INCENTIVES AND THE RESIDENTIAL SUSTAINABILITY INCENTIVES.
AND SO JUST FROM A PURE KIND OF ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO JUSTIFY USING THOSE INCENTIVES IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING ENOUGH OUT OF IT. WE HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS ON RESOURCE PROTECTION STANDARDS.
SO THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY THAT DEALS WITH SLOPES AND FLOODPLAIN AND TREE PRESERVATION, AND ONE OF THE KIND OF THRUST OF THE COMMENTS THERE WERE THAT THE RESOURCE PROTECTION IS KIND OF THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THOSE STANDARDS ON A SITE THAT CAN BE MOST CHALLENGING.
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SO IF YOU HAVE SLOPES AND TREES ON THE SAME SITE, THEY COMBINE TOGETHER TO KIND OF PRESERVE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SITE AND MAKE IT HARD TO TO BUILD ENOUGH UNITS FOR A PROJECT TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RELATED TO SOME ENGINEERING STANDARDS, BUT ALSO RELATED TO FIRE CODE THAT DEALS WITH WITH ACCESS AND TRANSPORTATION.
SO ONE REQUIRING STREETS THAT MAY BE OVERLY WIDE.
SO IT HAS A COST ON DEVELOPMENT, AND SOME REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH EGRESS AND INGRESS AND ACCESS RELATED TO FIRE SAFETY APPEAR TO BE SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY.
AND THE IDEA THERE IS I THINK THERE'S THERE THE DEVELOPERS ARE ARE ARE THE SENTIMENT IS THAT THERE'S KIND OF REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES TO SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A SIMILAR GOAL, BUT WOULD BE A LOWER COST TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING STANDARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT THAT SET OF CODE IS THAT IT SEEMS TO BE PRIMARILY DESIGNED FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS, AND MAY HAVE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF PRESENTING SOME BARRIERS TO KIND OF SMALLER INFILL PROJECTS ON SMALLER SITES.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE DID HEAR ABOUT MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
THEY HAD MORE PARKING SPACES THAN WERE REALLY NECESSARY FOR TO MAKE THEIR PROJECT WORK.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD.
KNOW THESE ARE WHAT THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY IS SAYING, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT BARRIERS IN THE CODE AND MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES TO ADDRESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROGRESS PROCESS.
I THINK A FEW WORDS, A FEW DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THAT.
THAT MICHELLE HAD POSED TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE OF THE SESSION.
SO I'D PUT THOSE BACK UP THERE.
COUNCIL. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
I'M GOING TO JUST KEEP STICKING ON MY PARKING.
AND I KNOW THAT MICHELLE OBVIOUSLY KNOWS THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE A NO STREET PARKING ORDINANCE FROM NOVEMBER THROUGH OR TILL APRIL 1ST.
AND SO THAT DOES IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME CITIES CAN LIMIT THEIR PARKING.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT IGNORED.
YEAH, I THINK PARKING IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WE NEED TO THINK OF THE TRADE OFFS AND THE CONSEQUENCES, ANTICIPATED OR NOT. WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE THEM ANTICIPATED, BUT PARKING JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE LESS PARKING.
YOU CAN HAVE MORE DENSITY AND BLAH BLAH BLAH.
WELL, THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF YOU HAVE A VERY WALKABLE COMMUNITY, WHICH WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T ALL YES OR ALL NO.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF USE A JUDGMENT THING, AND I THINK YOU KNOW THAT.
SO. OR WE NEED TO THINK OF THE BENEFITS AND THE.
THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF PROPOSALS THAT WERE THINKING ABOUT.
SURE. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH STAFF FOR HIRING THESE CONSULTANTS AND TAKING THE INITIATIVE ON THIS DIFFICULT CONVERSATION. THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT I LIKE.
THERE'S SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT I FEEL THREATENED BY.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SPACE FOR US TO BE IN.
I DISAGREE WITH THE PARKING CONVERSATION SO FAR.
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I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IT'S CONTEXTUAL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF NO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS MY SEVENTH OF THE SEVEN HEADED BEAST UP HERE, THINKING A BIT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THOSE THINGS, I THINK IT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HIGH DENSITY.
THAT'S JUST GOING TO BECOME PART OF THAT HELPS US GATHER AN ACTUAL HIGH DENSITY DESIGNATION IN CERTAIN PLACES. IT MAKES A LOT LESS SENSE OUT AT TIMBER SKY, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE UTILIZING VEHICLES TO GET BACK AND FORTH.
UM. I ALSO THINK TREE PRESERVATION IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY.
SLOPES OBVIOUSLY CAN'T ENTIRELY BE IGNORED, BUT I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF PROJECTS ENGINEER AROUND SLOPES.
I JUST I DO WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT REMOVING TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS TOO MUCH.
WE WANT OUR CITY TO FEEL FORESTED.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT FLAGSTAFF IS YOU LOOK OUT AT AT AT THE CITY FROM CERTAIN HIGH VANTAGE POINTS, AND YOU CAN'T SEE THAT IT'S A TOWN OF 75,000 PEOPLE. EVERYTHING IS IS NICELY HIDDEN AND COUCHED UNDER OUR PINE FOREST CANOPY, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT LOOK AND THE ACCESS THAT WE HAVE TO OPEN SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, THE WELLNESS ASPECTS OF OF LIVING AMONG THE TREES WITHOUT WAXING TOO POETIC ABOUT IT.
AND YEAH, SO THOSE ARE MY FIRST INITIAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS.
THERE ARE PLACES IN TOWN WHERE WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE A BIT OF A HIGHER DENSITY.
AND I THINK THOSE SPACES, THOSE, THOSE AREAS CAN BE HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN CERTAIN OTHER, OTHER PLACES. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKING ARTICULATING THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WHAT IS A HIGH DENSITY OBJECTIVE AREA VERSUS SOME OF THESE OTHER YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF PARCELS IN TOWN HERE.
LOOKS LIKE WE GET UP TO 24, MAYBE TOTAL.
SO I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE PLACES WHERE WE WANT TO RATCHET THOSE LEVERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND SOME OF THESE OTHER SPACES WHERE IT'S PROBABLY LESS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
I THINK IT'S A NUANCED CONVERSATION, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR US TO ALL BE SLIGHTLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH COMPROMISE IN TERMS OF OF HOW THOSE LEVERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IN REALITY WHEN SHOVELS ARE IN THE GROUND.
SPEAKING TO THE DEDICATION OF COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
SHE IS CURRENTLY ON AN AIRPLANE AND WATCHING THE MEETING AND SHE SAYS THAT HER AUDIO IS SPOTTY AND CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR HER? I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR THE SPEAKER SHARE MORE OF HIS THOUGHTS ON THE PARALLEL.
WAIT A MINUTE. THE PARALLEL BETWEEN THE CONCERNS REGARDING REDUCING PARKING IN DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPERS LISTENING SESSION REPORTING THAT CURRENT PARKING MINIMUMS ARE RESULTING IN OVER PARKED DEVELOPMENTS.
TO ME, THAT SEEMS TO SUGGEST A POSITIVE IMPACT IN REDUCING PARKING REQUIREMENTS IF OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE RESULTING IN OVER PARKED DEVELOPMENTS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? I THINK I UNDERSTOOD MAYBE IF I CAN SUMMARIZE, I THINK WHAT MAYBE SHE'S POINTING OUT THERE IS THAT.
IT. WE WE KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE A HIGHER DENSITY OF HOUSING, REDUCING YOUR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS WILL CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT. THAT ASSUMES, THOUGH, THAT THE DEVELOPERS ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A LOWER PARKING REQUIREMENT, AND WHETHER THEY DO THAT WILL OFTEN DEPEND ON THEIR VIEW OF WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR THEIR PROJECT.
THEY'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THE MARKETABILITY OF THEIR PROJECT.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE SENTIMENT THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY AT LEAST SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS WE'VE TALKED TO IS THAT FOR THEIR KIND OF PROJECTS, THEY THINK THAT THEIR THE REGULATIONS ARE REQUIRING TOO MUCH AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF RIGHT SIZE THE REQUIREMENTS TO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MARKET NEEDS AND THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TOO MANY SPACES. AND SO THAT.
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THAT'S THAT'S THE THEORY THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE THINKING THERE IS THEY'RE OVER PARKED BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED THAT MUCH.AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS HERE IS TO IDENTIFY.
HELP TO START TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE SITUATIONS, LOCATIONS, PROJECT TYPES THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE WHERE THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE RIGHT SIZED.
SO WE'RE BALANCING YOUR GOALS AROUND HOUSING AND ALSO POTENTIALLY AROUND SUSTAINABILITY, BUT ALSO SOME OF THESE ISSUES ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD LIVABILITY AND OTHER ISSUES THAT COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
THANK YOU. AND SHE SAYS THAT THAT ANSWERS HER QUESTION.
OKAY. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OF THINGS.
I THINK STAFF KNOWS WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKS FOR AND WHAT THE COUNCIL ASKS FOR.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL IS OPEN TO IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE THAT ACHIEVES THE GOAL, BUT WE CAN GO ABOUT IT A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WOULD ACHIEVE SOME OF OUR OTHER GOALS.
I BELIEVE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO HEAR WHAT THOSE ARE AND.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, WE'RE.
DEFINED. AM I CORRECT? I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS MEDIUM DENSITY, BUT IT'S HIGHER DENSITY THAN WE SEE NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE GET SCARED WHEN THEY HEAR HIGH DENSITY. AND HIGH DENSITY IS ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER THAN WE TALK ABOUT HERE LOCALLY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TO, I GUESS, MAKE THAT POINT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCREASING DENSITY IN SOME AREAS, IT'S INCREASING AT OVER WHAT WE SEE NOW, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED HIGH DENSITY.
MAN. IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO THAT, WE WILL PUT A STATUE OF YOU IN HERITAGE SQUARE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S THIS DOUBLE EDGED SWORD, RIGHT? WE WANT TO BE A MORE WALKABLE, TRANSIT FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.
AND AND PARKING IN SO MANY INSTANCES STANDS IN THE WAY OR PARKS IN THE WAY OF ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS.
AND YOU SEE PEOPLE NOT WALKING OR BIKING OR TAKING TRANSIT AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD IF YOU ALREADY WERE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT.
AND WE SEE VERY REAL CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY PEOPLE IN, IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING OR, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE GRAPPLING WITH.
SO GOOD LUCK AND KNOW THIS, THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND ONE THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CODES ARE ACHIEVING WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS AND NOT HAVING THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
RATHER THAN TRYING TO ATTACK ONE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE PARKING IN ABSENCE OF OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M VERY HOPEFUL ABOUT WHAT THIS IS, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BRING ABOUT IN FLAGSTAFF AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE GOING FORWARD WHEN YOU COME TO US WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, IF I MAY, MADAM MAYOR.
THANK YOU. JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT FROM ME.
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AND THE ADDITIONAL UPFRONT EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS GOOD WEATHERIZATION AND BUILDING BUILDINGS CORRECTLY FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND WHILE THERE MAY BE SOME UPFRONT ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THAT, I THINK MANY OF US UP HERE RECOGNIZE THAT RESIDENTS WILL SAVE MONEY HAND OVER FIST IN THE LONG TERM WITH THESE UPGRADES IN PLACE FROM THE BEGINNING.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT AND KIND OF TELL A QUICK STORY.
WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M A MECHANICAL ENGINEER AND I GOT AN A IN HEAT TRANSFER.
IT WAS JUST A FEW HUNDRED EXTRA DOLLARS.
AND I'VE NEVER ADDED AN AIR CONDITIONER.
SO I GUESS THE MAJOR POINT HERE IS THAT, YES, SOMETIMES IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BUILD IN THIS EXAMPLE A HOUSE IN. BUT THE LONG TERM IMPACT, WHICH IS WHAT MR. ASLIN WAS SAYING, IS THAT IT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCES THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE HOUSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YES, THE COST OF BUILDING A HOUSE IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT WHAT THE OPERATING COSTS ARE AND THE SECONDARY EFFECTS LIKE, OH, I BETTER ADD AN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO MY SYSTEM, WHICH COSTS WAY MORE THAN PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INSULATION IN WHEN YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S VERY EASY TO ADD EXTRA INSULATION WHEN THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT INITIALLY.
WHICH REMINDS ME ABOUT ANOTHER POINT.
IN TERMS OF THE INCENTIVES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
ERIC WOOLVERTON FROM HABITAT DISCUSSED OUR HOUSING INCENTIVE FUND AND A WAY THAT IT WAS NOT WORKING FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M VERY KEEN TO SEE WHAT KINDS OF INCENTIVES CAN WE OFFER IN TERMS OF OUR CLIMATE GOALS AND OUR HOUSING GOALS THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND WOULD WOULD FACILITATE DEVELOPERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT? IT'S. SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYONE COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND JUST TO.
SO I THINK DEFINITELY WE HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, THOUGH.
I GUESS WHEN YOU DO A CODE CHANGE, IF WE DO A CODE CHANGE, IT'LL BE ON THE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE TIMBER SKY AND HAVE NO PARKING, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT.
AND THEN THE PARENTS ARE CALLING, YELLING AT THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING.
THEY DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE UNIT.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE.
AND AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS FOR MORE EFFICIENCY IN OUR BUILDING.
I. MAYBE I JUST HAVEN'T READ ALL THE DATA.
I KNOW THAT HIGH EFFICIENCY UNITS SAVE IN ELECTRIC USAGE.
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MAYBE NOT AS CHEAP AS GAS.SO I DON'T 100% AGREE WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
BUT THERE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S EQUITY IN THAT.
AND IF WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR RENTER POPULATION, PEOPLE THAT MAYBE COULD AFFORD THE RENT.
MY KIDS LIVE DOWN IN THE VALLEY AND THEY SEE ELECTRIC BILLS IN THE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE LOOK AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EQUITY OF, YES, IT'S MORE EFFICIENT TO BE BUILDING AN EFFICIENT UNIT AND SAVING ON YOUR ELECTRIC BILL, BUT IS IT COST SAVINGS TO THE PERSON OCCUPYING THAT UNIT, IF THEY COULD HAVE HAD A CHOICE TO USE ALSO GAS.
AND I WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THOSE ARE NOT EASY BLACK AND WHITE ISSUES.
I JUST ONE ONE COMMENT ON THE ON THE BUILDING CODE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, ONE OF THE PARTNERS ON OUR PROJECT IS GBD ARCHITECTS, AND WE SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT THEM ON BOARD AS EXPERTS IN GREEN BUILDING TECHNOLOGIES, ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
IF IT'S KIND OF WHERE DO YOU SET THE MINIMUM BAR, AND THEN WHERE DO YOU TRY TO ENCOURAGE TO GO OVER THE MINIMUM WITH INCENTIVES, AND WHAT KIND OF INCENTIVES MIGHT WORK THE BEST? HOW DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR YOUR TOOLS TODAY AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE NEEDLE FURTHER.
AND TO REITERATE THAT THAT IS CLEARLY A PART OF THE THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.
CAN WE TALK A LOT ABOUT HOUSING AND SOME OF THE THINGS I PRESENTED? BUT IT'S A DUAL LENS ON HOUSING AND CARBON NEUTRALITY.
THANK YOU. SO DO YOU AND STAFF.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU RECEIVED ENOUGH FEEDBACK FROM US AND ENOUGH DIRECTION THAT YOU YOU CAN CONTINUE ON? I THINK FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY, LET MICHELLE COME UP AND SPEAK TO THAT TOO.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR ANALYSIS.
AS JASON POINTED OUT, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT POINTS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU.
SO I THINK THE WAY IT'S SET UP THAT THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK FOR NOW.
AND IF IT WASN'T CLEAR, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVE.
SO IT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE.
DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN YOU'LL BE BACK BEFORE US? I THINK FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR.
MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT POST WILDFIRE FLOODING UPDATE.
BUT HOLD ON, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE A BREAK IS REQUESTED.
SO LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK AND BE BACK IN 15 MINUTES.
LET'S DO IT AGAIN. OKAY, WE'RE READY TO GET BACK TO IT.
POST-WILDFIRE FLOODING UPDATE.
[8. Post-wildfire Flooding Update For information only. ]
WELL, YEAH. ARE YOU READY? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT ME TO DELAY FOR HERE? 30S OR SO.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING AND APPRECIATE THE TIME.
SCOTT OVERTON SERVED AS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN QUITE SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT POST-WILDFIRE FLOODING UPDATES.
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GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR MISSING US, TO BE HONEST.YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE QUIET ACTIVITY THAT WE HAD ON OUR BURN SCARS, AND THAT RESULTED IN, FOR US, GOOD QUALITY TIME TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OUR LONG TERM MITIGATIONS AND TO WORK ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE ADVANCED.
I WILL TELL YOU IN REFLECTION, WE VISITED WITH YOU IN JUNE.
WE WERE POSSIBLY ANTICIPATING A MONSOON SEASON THAT DID NOT TRANSPIRE.
WE HAVE SINCE HAD A COUPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THERE'S BEEN CONTINUED ENGINEERING WORK.
WE ARE ONE YEAR REMOVED FROM THE PASSAGE OF THE BOND QUESTIONS ON THE SPRUCE WASH SIDE.
WE'VE MADE TREMENDOUS STRIDES ON THE PIPELINE WEST SIDE THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THIS EVENING AND REALLY TO REPORT ON THE SPRUCE SIDE WITH YOUR BOND MONIES AND THE COMMUNITY'S COMMITMENT TO THOSE PROJECTS.
I'M GOING TO ESTIMATE THIS, BUT WE'RE AT ABOUT 84% DESIGN.
THEY'RE FEELING GOOD ABOUT THE PROGRESS THEY'VE MADE.
AND I HAVE GOOD CONFIDENCE THAT BY ABOUT YEAR END, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE.
AND AS CLOSE TO 100% DESIGN AS WE CAN BE, THAT'S A PRETTY TREMENDOUS EFFORT OF ENGINEERING RESOURCE.
THAT'S BEEN A GOOD, COORDINATED EFFORT TO GET US THROUGH THIS VERY URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND GET US TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'VE NOW SEEN CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS BEING SPENT WITH OUR PROCESS AND OUR CONTRACTOR, EAGLE MOUNTAIN CONSTRUCTION.
SO A YEAR LATER, I THINK WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD SPOT.
BUT IT IS NOT AT MAYBE THE WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SENTENCE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN TOUGH THIS WEEK.
IT HASN'T BEEN A LACK OF FOCUS AND ENERGY.
AND I SAY IT EVERY TIME I GET UP HERE.
BUT IT'S YOUR PRIVATE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY, YOUR PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, AND IT IS THE EFFORT OF CITY STAFF REALLY FOCUSED IN ON A SINGLE MISSION TO REALLY DELIVER THESE MITIGATION MEASURES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BURN SCARS.
AND I THINK WE'RE SEEING GREAT SUCCESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THOSE RESULTS.
SO TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A PRETTY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PICTURES, WHICH IS HELPFUL.
WE'RE GOING TO COVER A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF PIPELINE.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO COVER A LOT IN THE SPRUCE WASH SIDE.
YOU MAY SEE A COUPLE OF NEW FACES TO THE DAIS THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT ARE OUT AND WE'RE HAVING A FEW FOLKS STEP IN.
BUT THEY'RE ALL QUALIFIED AND ABLE TO PRESENT.
AND CLEARLY THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
AS ALWAYS, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO ASK US QUESTIONS.
TO GET THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL YOUR TALKING POINTS AS YOU GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE GET A LOT OF INSIGHTS FROM YOU AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE OUT AND TALK THOSE THROUGH.
THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPE CHANGES.
CLEARLY, THEY'VE LIVED IN A POST WILDFIRE BURN SCAR FOR SOME TIME NOW.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO START OFF ON THE SHULTZ CREEK PIPELINE WEST SIDE.
AND I BELIEVE STORMWATER IS GOING TO BE UP FIRST.
HI EVERYONE, I'M CHASITY FLAGSTAFF STORMWATER.
SO I'LL BE GOING OVER THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DESIGNED OR HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED OR ARE IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW FOR SCHULZ CREEK. THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES INVOLVED GAME AND FISH COUNTY AND OF COURSE THE CITY.
SO THE FIRST PROJECT I'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE ON ON FORCE MEASURES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
THAT'S COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCHULTZ PASS GOING DOWN ALMOST TO THE NEW DETENTION BASINS, STREAM STABILIZATION STRUCTURES ALL THE WAY ALONG SCHULTZ CREEK, ANTICIPATED TO BE DONE THIS WINTER 2023.
NATURAL CHANNEL DESIGN WAS THE DESIGNER.
SO HERE'S JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.
ROCK DAM WIRES YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PICTURES.
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MORE VEINS, PLUG AND SPREAD STRUCTURES AS WELL THROUGHOUT THIS AREA.SCHULTZ CREEK BASIN GOING DOWNSTREAM FROM THAT THAT WAS COMPLETED LAST OCTOBER.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE THE PURPOSE TO DETAIN FLOODWATERS.
THAT WAS DONE BY FAN CONTRACTING AND CWI.
THIS WAS A REALLY GREAT PROJECT.
IT WAS AWARDED THE 2023 AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION PROJECT OF THE YEAR.
DOWNSTREAM OF THAT MOUNT ELDEN LOOKOUT ROAD.
THAT WAS COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS THAT WAS COMPLETED THIS SUMMER.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE PICTURE SHELTER CREEK WAS OVERTOPPING MOUNT ELDON.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT WAS TO KEEP MOUNT ELDEN LOOKOUT ROAD FROM CLOSING.
THAT WAS ALSO NATURAL CHANNEL DESIGN.
DIRECTLY DOWNSTREAM FROM THAT CROSSING IS SCHULTZ CREEK CHANNEL STABILIZATION.
IF IT'S NOT COMPLETE ALREADY, IT'S GETTING COMPLETED VERY SHORTLY.
PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO PREVENT EROSION AND SEDIMENT FROM MOVING DOWNSTREAM.
AND THAT WAS ALSO NATURAL CHANNEL DESIGN FUNDED BY THE CITY AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THIS WAS COMPLETED THIS SUMMER TOO.
ERODED DURING FLOODING BEFORE THIS.
HIGHWAY 180 CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE EMERGENCY PROJECT THAT WAS COMPLETED THIS PAST SUMMER, THAT WAS ABOUT $2 MILLION, WAS AN ART PROJECT BASICALLY REPLACING THE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS DAMAGED AND ADDING MORE CAPACITY TO THE CROSSING.
ITS PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE THE 100 YEAR STORM TO BE ABLE TO CROSS 180 GET INTO THE RIO DE FLAG.
AND WHY IS THE DESIGNER? AND THIS IS FUNDED BY THE CITY.
THIS WAS COMPLETED THIS FALL BY JOE DIRT, EAGLE MOUNTAIN, AND JAY.
AND THIS WAS A CDMA FUNDING SO WELL.
CITY. THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR MODELING UPDATES.
GOOD EVENING. I WANTED TO JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH WITH OUR MODELING.
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF.
MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF CURRENT CONDITIONS.
SO I WANTED TO JUST WALK YOU THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICK.
THOSE ARE ALL INTEGRATED INTO THE MODEL.
SO WE'RE SEEING HOW THE HOW THE WATER ACTS OVER THEM, THE MOUNT ELDEN LOOKOUT ROAD CULVERT, THAT'S ALL IN SO THAT WE HAVE A REALLY ACCURATE REFLECTION OF THE FLOOD RISK THROUGH THAT AREA, STILL BASED ON IMMEDIATE POST-FIRE CONDITIONS WITH THE BURNT WATERSHED.
BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE FIRST AREA.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWNSTREAM TOWARDS HIGHWAY 180, WHAT THIS MODEL REFLECTS RIGHT NOW IS THE INTERIM CONDITION, THE PIPE THAT WAS FIXED BY ARDOT, WHERE ONE PIPE GOES OVER TO THE RIO DE FLAG AND ONE PIPE CONTINUES DOWN TOWARDS THE THE BUBBLER AS WE CALL IT TOWARDS IN THE ABOVE THE SAVANNAH NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO SO THIS THIS GIVES A CURRENT REFLECTION OF HOW THE HOW THE WATER COULD STILL FLOW ALONG FORT VALLEY ROAD, AND HOW IT'S REALLY REDUCED IN HOW IT FLOWS DOWN THROUGH THE SAVANNAH NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE YET THE NEW CULVERT CROSSING THAT WILL HAPPEN ACROSS 180.
WELL, WE CAN SEE THOUGH IS AS IT DOESN'T THE CURRENT MITIGATE OR THE CURRENT
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CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENED THAT THE PIPE THE FIX ACROSS 180.IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE DOWNSTREAM FLOODING PROBLEMS. SO WHEN WHEN WATER STILL EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF THAT PIPE, IT'LL STILL FLOW DOWN THE NORTH SIDE OF 180 TOWARD SIEGRIST.
ALL THAT WATER ENDS UP IN MEAD.
AND SO UNTIL UNTIL THE THE NEW STRUCTURE ACROSS 180 GETS BUILT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR POST-FIRE FLOODING DOWN TO MEAD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS IF THIS GETS BUILT THIS SPRING.
THAT'LL BE THAT'D BE GREAT BEFORE MONSOONS.
SO THAT'S THAT'S A CURRENT UPDATE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT ELSE TO REPORT.
AND IT'LL BE UPDATED ONCE AGAIN AS NEW PROJECTS HAPPEN.
SO FOR TEMPORARY MITIGATIONS FOR PIPELINE WEST, NOT A WHOLE LOT HAS CHANGED.
STILL DOING ENGINEERING ASSESSMENTS FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T HAD ONE YET.
SERVICE REQUEST LINE STILL UP.
SANDBAGS MAY BE REMOVED IF WE HAVE CREWS AVAILABLE, BUT WE KNOW OUR CREWS ARE VERY TAXED RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE STILL PUTTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT THE FLOOD RISK IS STILL REAL, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING RESIDENTS KEEP THEIR MITIGATIONS UP UNTIL AT LEAST THAT 180 PROJECT COMPLETE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M ELI REISNER, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT MANAGER.
TONIGHT I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR SPRUCE WASH PROJECTS.
AND THEN I WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND THEN GO THROUGH KIND OF OUR OR OUR MILESTONES AND SCHEDULES FOR THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN GET INTO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO STARTING OFF WITH OUR SPRUCE WASH SUITE OF PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY PROPOSITION 441.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE NUMBER TEN HERE, PARKWAY BASINS PROJECT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT DELIVERED PROJECT FUNDED THROUGH THE NRCS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR LIST HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, OF SEVERAL COMPLETED PROJECTS.
OUR FIRST PROJECT HERE IS THE GRAND VIEW DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON GRANDVIEW DRIVE FROM CEDAR DOWN TO LINDA VISTA.
THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTING AN INVERTED CROWN ON GRANDVIEW AND REPLACING THE EXISTING ROAD CURBS WITH A MODIFIED ROAD CURBS, AND THOSE MODIFIED CURBS ARE GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT ROLE CURB THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING OF WITH THE VERTICAL CURBS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
THIS PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES SEWER REPLACEMENTS AND WATER REPLACEMENTS, BOTH MAINS AND SERVICES FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER, AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE SIDE STREETS AND CUL DE SACS ALONG GRANDVIEW AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL JUST HELP TO INCREASE THE STORMWATER CAPACITY FOR THE ROADWAY.
THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE WEDGE DETENTION DETENTION BASIN PROJECT, AND THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE CITY OWNED PARCEL WEST OF CEDAR SAFEWAY, JUST NORTH OF COCONINO OR COCONINO HIGH SCHOOL, AND THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTING A LARGE DETENTION BASIN AND STORM DRAIN PIPE THAT WILL HELP US TO PIPE SOME OF THE SPRUCE WASH FLOOD WATERS FROM THE LINDA VISTA CROSSING DOWN TO THE DETENTION BASIN.
THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO CONSIST OF A FEW SECTIONS OF SEWER MAIN AND WATER MAIN REPLACEMENTS ALONG LINDA VISTA THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THE NEW STORM DRAIN, AND THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE ASPHALT ROADWAY REPLACEMENTS ALONG LINDA VISTA AND A FEW SECTIONS OF SIDEWALK, CURB AND GUTTER ALONG LINDA VISTA AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP REDUCE THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT IS IN THE SPRUCE WASH.
NEXT PROJECT IS THE LINDA VISTA DRIVE CROSSING PROJECT, AND THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON LINDA VISTA DRIVE AT THE SPRUCE GOOSE INTERSECTION THAT'S BETWEEN PARADISE AND ADRIAN WAY.
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AS WELL AS ADDING AN INLET FOR THE WEDGE DETENTION BASIN STORM DRAIN, WHICH WILL AGAIN GRAB SOME OF THAT STORMWATER THAT'S IN SPRUCE WASH AND PIPE THAT DOWN TO THE WEDGE DETENTION BASIN.SO THIS PROJECT WILL HELP IMPROVE THE STORMWATER CAPACITY OF THE INLET.
IT WILL REDUCE WATER THAT'S IN THE SPRUCE WASH, AND IT WILL KEEP MORE OF THE WATER IN THE WASH WITH THE ADDITIONAL INLET FOR THE WEDGE DETENTION BASIN AND LIMIT THE OVERTOPPING ONTO LINDA VISTA AT THIS LOCATION.
NEXT PROJECT IS THE CEDAR AVENUE TO LINDA VISTA DRIVE PROJECT.
IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT CONSIST OF REGRADING THE CHANNEL AND CONSTRUCTING THE CHANNEL WITH A NEW ARMORFLEX BLOCKLIGHT FOR ABOUT THE FIRST 500FT OF THE CHANNEL, AND THEN THE THE REST OF THE CHANNEL.
THE MAJORITY OF THE CHANNEL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH A CONCRETE CHANNEL.
IMPROVEMENTS ALSO INCLUDE RELOCATING THE EXISTING GAS MAIN AND SERVICES THAT GO UP THIS CHANNEL AND SERVICE ALL THE HOMES, BOTH BOTH ON LINDA VISTA AND MONTA VISTA, OR BOTH ON GRANDVIEW AND AND MONTA VISTA, AND THEN ALSO CONSISTS OF RELOCATING PORTIONS OF THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT ARE IN THIS CHANNEL. THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP INCREASE THE CAPACITY AND EFFICIENCY OF THE CHANNEL, AND HELP PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM THE LARGER VOLUMES OF WATER AND LARGER VELOCITIES OF WATER THAT WILL NOW BE MOVING DOWN THIS SECTION OF CHANNEL.
NEXT PROJECT IS THE CEDAR AVENUE CROSSING PROJECT, AND THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON CEDAR AVENUE AT THE SPRUCE WASH BETWEEN GRANDVIEW AND MONTE VISTA, AND THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF A NEW, LARGER CONCRETE BOX CULVERT AND LOWERING THE FLOW LINE OF THE CHANNEL.
THIS NEXT PROJECT IS THE ARROYO SECO DRIVE TO DORETHA AVENUE PROJECT, AND THIS IS THE SECTION OF CHANNEL FROM DORETHA TO ARROYO SECO BETWEEN MAIN AND ROSE.
AND THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF REMOVING THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND 60 INCH STORM DRAIN, REGRADING THE CHANNEL AND CONSTRUCTING A CONCRETE CHANNEL, AND RELOCATING SOME OF THE GAS MAIN AND SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGROUND WITHIN THIS CHANNEL SECTION.
SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY AND EFFICIENCY OF THE CHANNEL AND PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM THE LARGER VOLUMES OF WATER AND VELOCITIES MOVING DOWN THE CHANNEL. THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE ARROYO SECO DRIVE INLET PROJECT, AND THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THE ARROYO SECO TOWNHOMES IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PONDEROSA PARK.
THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF RECONSTRUCTING THE INLET WITH A PERMANENT HEADWALL, AND LOWERING THE FLOW LINE BY SEVERAL FEET DOWN TO THE EXISTING 60 INCH STORM DRAIN THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ARROYO SECO TOWNHOMES THERE.
AND THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP INCREASE THE INLET CAPACITY, WHILE ALSO MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN GO INTO THAT EXISTING STORM DRAIN THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ARROYO SECO TOWNHOMES THERE.
AGAIN, RIGHT THERE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PONDEROSA PARK.
AND HERE WE'LL BE CONSTRUCTING A NEW INLET THAT WILL BE CONNECTED TO A CONCRETE BOX CULVERT THAT GOES UNDERNEATH PONDEROSA PARK AND OUTLETS INTO THE PHILIP DETENTION BASINS THERE BY PHILIP ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP SEND WATER THAT THE 60 INCH STORM DRAIN THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ARROYO SECO TOWNHOMES CAN'T HANDLE INTO THE PHILIP DETENTION REGIONAL OR PHILIP REGIONAL DETENTION BASINS.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YEAH. OF COURSE. WHERE DOES THE WATER THAT CAN MAKE IT UNDERNEATH THOSE TOWNHOMES.
WHERE DOES THAT GO? THAT EVENTUALLY GOES I THINK IT'S DOWN.
A FIRST STREET, AND THEN WE'LL EVENTUALLY GO CROSS UNDER ROUTE 66.
AND THEN GOES BACK GOES BACK DOWN THERE.
UM. THE NEXT PROJECT IS PHILIP BASIN OUTLET PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED ON SIXTH AVENUE BETWEEN FIRST STREET AND MAIN STREET.
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IMPROVEMENTS WILL HELP TO PREVENT THE BASINS FROM OVERTOPPING ONTO SIXTH AVENUE.SO THAT WRAPS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ON EACH OF THE PROJECTS.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO KIND OF THE MILESTONES AND SCHEDULE FOR THESE PROJECTS.
SO I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE BOTH FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
FOR THESE PROJECTS WE HAVE PROPOSITION 441 PASSING BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, AND WE WERE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THE GRANDVIEW UTILITIES IN LESS THAN A YEAR HERE IN SEPTEMBER 2023.
SO THAT IS THAT IS SOME INCREDIBLE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY OUR DESIGN TEAM, OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM, CITY STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN ALL OF OUR WEEKLY TECH MEETINGS ON MONDAYS TO GET THIS, GET THESE PROJECTS ROLLING AS FAST AS WE CAN AND ACTUALLY GET TO CONSTRUCTION HERE IN 2023.
AS SCOTT SAID, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ROUGHLY 84% OF THE DESIGN OF THE SUITE OF THE PROJECTS.
WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP THE 60% REVIEW OF THE OF THE OF THE SUITE OF PROJECTS.
WE'RE EXPECTING FINAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECTS TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THEN CONTINUING WITH CONSTRUCTION AND THEN RAMPING UP CONSTRUCTION IN 2024 AND CONTINUING CONSTRUCTION IN 2025, WITH CONSTRUCTION ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED IN 2026.
AND THESE THESE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES ARE VERY PRELIMINARY AND WILL CHANGE BASED ON WEATHER.
AND WE'LL BE CONTINUE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE REFINE AS WE CONTINUE TO WRAP UP OUR DESIGNS AND ALL THE REVIEWS AND KIND OF SEQUENCING AND PLANNING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR, EAGLE MOUNTAIN CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP OUR MILESTONES AND SCHEDULE.
I'LL MOVE OVER TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE GRAND VIEW DRIVE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
THE UTILITIES PORTION OF THAT PROJECT, THE WATER AND SEWER MAIN PORTIONS.
THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THE EAST SIDE SEWER SERVICES, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THOSE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE WATER IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN, WORKING SOUTH TO NORTH, OUR CONTRACTOR, EAGLE MOUNTAIN CONSTRUCTION, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, RESIDENCES AND BUSINESSES TO MAINTAIN ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY WINTER PARKING ORDINANCE ENFORCED ON THIS SECTION OF GRAND VIEW.
AND THEN THE NEXT PROJECT THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS THE PARKWAY SEDIMENT BASINS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT DELIVERED PROJECT.
AND SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE TWO UPSTREAM SEDIMENT BASINS.
KINNEY CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WAS SELECTED BY THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT.
THESE REMAINING TWO SEDIMENT BASINS, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS AND STUFF AND PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE FOREST ACCESS OFF OF PARADISE AND APPALACHIAN THERE.
SO. KCS FINISHED UP THE TREE REMOVAL FOR THESE DETENTION BASINS LAST WEEK, AND THEY WILL BE CONTINUING WITH THEIR CURRENT EARTHWORK EXCAVATION OPERATIONS FOR THESE PROJECTS.
SO AND THAT WRAPS US UP FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR SPRUCE WASH.
JOE. ALL RIGHT, SO BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST TOUCH ON TOUCH ON WHERE WE ARE.
MAYBE RIGHT NOW AS A WATERSHED.
SO I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHEN WE IF WE LOOK BACK OVER THIS LAST YEAR.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF RAIN ON THE MUSEUM FIRE.
SO YOU REALLY DIDN'T SEE ANY WATER COMING OUT OF THE MUSEUM FIRE? YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME THERE WERE SOME STORMS ON THE NORTH END OF THE PIPELINE THAT HIT WAPACK TRAILS.
BUT BUT IN GENERAL, A LOT, A LOT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS MONSOONS.
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AND SO SO WE'RE STILL KIND OF AT THIS PARADIGM OF WHERE WE, WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE THINK THE WATERSHED COULD DO IF YOU HAD A BIG RAINSTORM ON IT.WE HAVE SOME DATA FROM LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE SOME LOT OF DATA FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND AND WE NEED TO WE NEED TO TAKE ALL THIS INTO CONSIDERATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE THINK THE CURRENT FLOOD RISK COULD BE WITH A BIG SIZE, WITH A SIZABLE STORM, LIKE A TWO INCH STORM THAT WE'RE DESIGNING TO.
AND SO AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IT'S LIKE AN ONGOING MONITORING PROCESS.
AND UNTIL WE HAVE UNTIL WE HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS US OTHERWISE, IT'S STILL GOOD TO BE ON THE ON THE KIND OF CONSERVATIVE END OF SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS THIS IS THIS COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE THAT, THAT TYPE OF RAINSTORM.
AND SO, SO WHERE WE'RE GOING DOWN WITH THIS, WITH THIS DESIGN IS WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL DESIGNING THIS OFF OF OUR LAST YEAR'S FLOOD RISK. RIGHT.
THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
BUT BUT IT'S A GOOD BASELINE POINT FOR DESIGNING THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY THEY HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THIS SLIDE IS THE LEFT VIEW.
IS THAT EXISTING CONDITIONS MODEL.
THE CENTER IS SOME HEAVY COLORED LINES SHOWING WHERE THE PROJECTS ARE THAT ELI JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE THE NEW FLOOD RESULTS.
THEN ON THE ON THE RIGHT WHAT YOU SEE IS DEPTH CHANGE BASED ON THE PROJECTS.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S PINK TO YELLOW TO RED AND ORANGE, ALL OF THOSE ARE DECREASES.
SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECREASES IN MOST PLACES.
ALL THE PURPLES AND THE BLUES.
SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TRACKING THIS ALONG AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN.
SO WE HAVE AN EXPECTED OUTCOME WHEN THESE ARE CONSTRUCTED.
AS WE STEP ON DOWN THROUGH TO CEDAR AVENUE AND SOUTH, YOU SEE THAT EFFECT CONTINUING DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP MORE OF THE WATER IN THE CHANNEL AS YOU GO DOWNSTREAM.
THOSE, THOSE, THOSE BENEFITS STRETCH ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH SIXTH AVENUE AND, AND KIND OF CONTINUE ON OVER TO FOURTH STREET WHERE THE OVERTOPPING HAPPENS IN THE BASINS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE WATER OR YOU SEE A HIGHER DEPTH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT DEPTH CONTAINED TO EITHER THE RIGHT OF WAYS OR, OR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING.
SO IT'S OVERALL IT'S, IT'S A REALLY POSITIVE NET BENEFIT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WITH THESE, WITH THESE PROJECTS FOR, FOR THE MODELED STORM EVENTS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING AGAIN, AS THE 90% PLANS COME IN, WE RERUN ALL THESE MODELS AGAIN AND MAKE SURE IT'S THEY'RE ACTING THE WAY WE EXPECT THEM TO ACT AND MAKING TWEAKS AS NECESSARY.
MAYOR. CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN THE TWO INCH STORM EVENT? IS THAT A TEN YEAR FLOOD? IT'S ABOUT A 25 YEAR 25.
THANK YOU. YEAH. TWO INCHES IN 45 MINUTE WINDOW.
YEP. SO TALK SOME ABOUT SHORT TERM MITIGATIONS FIRST FOR THE NEAR FUTURE THIS WINTER FOR GRANDVIEW, WHEN THE UTILITIES ARE BEING REPLACED AND THE CONSTRUCTING THE NEW ROUTE ROADWAY, THE CONTRACTOR MAY BE REMOVING OR ADJUSTING SANDBAGS.
IF THEY ARE IN THE WAY, NO CHANGES TO SANDBAGS WILL BE MADE OUTSIDE OF GRANDVIEW FOR NEAR FUTURE.
RESIDENTS STILL ENCOURAGED TO KEEP SANDBAGS IN PLACE.
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AND WHEN YOU SAY LONGER TERM, YOU'RE SAYING AFTER.SO IS THIS SPECIFIC TO GRANDVIEW? THIS IS SPECIFIC JUST TO SPRUCE WASH AREA.
A WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME ARE YOU? ARE YOU THINKING WHAT IS LONGER TERM? IS IT THAT YOU ANTICIPATE THE PROJECTS BEING DONE WITHIN TWO YEARS? YEAH, I THINK WE JUST SAW PROJECTED BEFORE MONSOON SEASON OF 2026.
SO KIND OF BEFORE THAT LAST PROJECT IS DONE.
LET ME CAN I ADD? YES. PLEASE LET ME JUMP IN.
BUT I THINK THE LONG TERM MITIGATION IS CLEARLY MOVING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SANDBAGS.
IN FACT, THAT IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WE ARE INVOLVED.
WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING BETTER AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT THESE MODELS ARE GOING TO SHOW IMPROVEMENT.
I THINK THE DIFFICULTY IS IN WHAT I'VE ASKED THE ENGINEERING TEAMS TO WORK THROUGH, AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO THINK THIS WAY IS HOW DO YOU DEVELOP THAT PLAN OR STRATEGY AS EACH PROJECT IS DELIVERED? THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME RELIEF.
SO UNTIL WE COMPLETE THE LAST PROJECT, WHICH REALLY IS THE LINDA VISTA CROSSING, AND WE'RE ABLE TO OPEN UP THE THROAT OF THE CHANNEL AND REALLY GET WATER INTO WHERE IT BELONGS, THE SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK UNTIL THEN.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'LL SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON GRANDVIEW COMPLETED AND YOU'LL SEE A BENEFIT TO A DEGREE, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MODELS AND THE SCIENCE AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
THE LINDA VISTA CROSSING IS THE KEY PIECE.
BUT IF WE WERE TO OPEN UP THE LINDA VISTA CROSSING TODAY, WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR GRANDVIEW RESIDENTS, WE ARE NOT PREPARED AT ARROYO SECO OR IN THE DOROTHA CHANNEL OR AT THE CEDAR CROSSING, AND WE JUST CREATE THIS CASCADING EFFECT OF PROBLEMS. I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE WORKED WITH STORM WATER LONG ENOUGH NOW TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT.
IT IS HARD FOR US TO KEEP THESE SANDBAGS.
OUR GOAL IS TO BE COMPLETED WITH THE SUITE OF PROJECTS BEFORE MONSOON OF 25.
I KNOW WE'RE GETTING BETTER, BUT UNTIL THE SYSTEM IS WORKING, WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY HESITANT AND THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY WILL BE SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR RESPONSE, AS THEY SHOULD BE. AND WE SHOULD BE AS A CITY, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT PROPERTY AND THOSE PEOPLE'S RESIDENCES, AND SO FAR IT'S BEEN WORKING.
BUT WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE INCONVENIENCE OF SANDBAGS AND THE UNSIGHTLINESS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HEADING IN THIS DIRECTION.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE DO THAT, BUT IT CAN'T BE AT OUR ADVICE.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
JUST A SMALL QUESTION ON THE WEDGE.
YEAH. ONCE THAT FILLS UP, DOES IT? THEN YOU DRAIN IT OUT AT A SLOWER RATE.
OR DOES IT JUST EVAPORATE OR WHAT? I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC THAN YOU CARE TO UNDERSTAND.
THEIR FIRM IS DESIGNING THE WEDGE.
DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM? ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU'RE BETTER TO SPEAK TO THE EQUATION THAN I AM.
YES. COULD YOU BE BRIEF? PLEASE? BE BRIEF.
WHERE DOES THAT WATER GO? SO THAT ACTUALLY GOES INTO A STORM DRAIN THAT'S ON CEDAR AND GOES BACK INTO SPRUCE WASH.
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SO WE HOLD ON TO IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND HYDROLOGISTS AND FIGURING THAT OUT.
AND WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS A GATE TYPE SYSTEM THAT WILL HAVE AN ACTUATOR THAT WILL BECOME PART OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL AND MONITORING WHEN WE HAVE A LARGE STORM EVENT.
RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
SO WE WERE UP TO THE QUESTIONS SLIDE.
SO COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE OVERALL QUESTIONS.
OKAY. I THINK WE ASKED ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, ALL OF YOU.
IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE HERE DISCUSSING THESE THINGS IN TERMS THAT ARE MORE PLANNING AND LESS REACTING.
AND I'M SURE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.
[9. Discussion of Draft Advertising Policies for Flagstaff Pulliam Airport and City Recreation Facilities STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Staff previously discussed the idea of creating a City of Flagstaff Advertising Policy and presented the City Council with a draft policy for consideration at a work session on September 12, 2023. Staff took Council's comments from the discussion on September 12 and made further revisions to the draft policies and developed options for the Council to discuss and consider. In addition, after further consideration, staff have created two separate policies--one for Flagstaff Pulliam Airport and another for City recreation facilities--recognizing the respective nonpublic forums have distinct purposes. Staff will be seeking direction from Council regarding the respective advertising policies. If Council wishes to move forward with the draft policies, staff will make final revisions and bring the final policies back for Council adoption on November 21. ]
AIRPORT AND CITY RECREATION FACILITIES.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, KEVIN FENSEL, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE DRAFT CITY ADVERTISING POLICY.
I'M UP HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I ALSO HAVE HEIDI HANSEN WITH ECONOMIC VITALITY HERE WITH ME, ALONG WITH BRIAN GALLER, AIRPORT DIRECTOR, AND REBECCA SAYERS, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. AND WE MAY HAVE CLAIRE HARPER ON LINE WITH US, BUT SHE IS CURRENTLY OUT OF TOWN.
BUT IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP, I HAVE THEM TO ASSIST ME.
BUT I'LL BE LEADING THE CONVERSATION THIS EVENING.
SO THIS IS THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO RECAP WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
GIVE A LITTLE BIT BACKGROUND CLARIFICATION.
TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THAT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A VERY HIGH LEVEL LEGAL OVERVIEW THAT IS REALLY JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, MAYBE CORRECT SOME NARRATIVES THAT ARE OUT IN THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS ISSUE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LEGAL ADVICE.
ESSENTIALLY. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SOME QUOTATIONS FROM LEGAL CASES THAT ARE PRETTY GENERIC, BUT HOPEFULLY GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW OF OF THE LEGAL ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE DRAFT POLICY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
WE'LL PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
COUNCIL THEN WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE'LL THEN WE'LL DISCUSS WITH COUNCIL AND RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
AND I FORGOT WHAT PUBLIC COMMENT MIXED IN THERE TOO, IF ANYONE'S ONLINE.
SO RECAP OF OUR SEPTEMBER 12TH DISCUSSION.
THIS WAS WHEN HEIDI CAME IN AND PRESENTED THE DRAFT ADVERTISING POLICY FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
IT WAS THEN DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL AND WE RECEIVED COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK AND COMMENT.
COUNCIL PROVIDED SOME SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THAT DRAFT POLICY.
AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO DISCUSS NOT ONLY COUNCIL'S SUGGESTED CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE, BUT ALSO SOME ADDITIONS THAT WE ADDED AS STAFF AS WE STARTED WORKING THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO BACKGROUND CLARIFICATION.
AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE POLICY IN A SENSE.
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SO WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO CORRECT SOME OF THOSE.SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
SO I WANT TO START WITH HOW WE GOT HERE.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE AN ERROR ON HERE.
I JUST HEIDI JUST INFORMED ME OF LAST MINUTE PRIOR TO 2021.
THAT REALLY SHOULD BE PRIOR TO 2022.
ADVERTISING. THE AIRPORT WAS MANAGED BY CLEAR CHANNEL, WHICH IS A THIRD PARTY VENDOR.
THEY ACTUALLY STOPPED RUNNING THE PROGRAM AT THE AIRPORT DECEMBER 31ST OF 2021.
SO AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2022, CITY STAFF TOOK OVER THAT PROGRAM.
WHEN CITY STAFF TOOK OVER THE PROGRAM, ADVERTISING STANDARDS FOR THE AIRPORT WERE ADOPTED.
WE ALREADY HAD SIMILAR STANDARDS AT OUR RECREATION FACILITIES.
WE'RE USING THEM IN THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS.
I'M TIMBERLINE SHARED A PROPOSED AD WITH STAFF.
STAFF SHARED THOSE CONCERNS WITH WITH TIMBERLINE, AND TIMBERLINE WAS UNWILLING TO CHANGE THE AD.
THEY REALLY JUST WANTED TO STICK TO THE SAME AD THEY HAD SUBMITTED.
AT THAT POINT, INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS COMMENCED HERE AT THE CITY AIRPORT STAFF ALONG.
THEY BROUGHT IN OUR OFFICE, THEY BROUGHT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND WE REALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE, AND IT WAS DECIDED WE NEEDED TO REALLY TAKE SOME STEPS TO CLARIFY THE STANDARDS.
TIMBERLINE REALLY JUST MADE US LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, AND IN LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN REALLY MAKE THESE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER. AND THAT WAS REALLY OUR GOAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED WORKING INTERNALLY.
SO HERE ARE THE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
AND AGAIN THIS IS REALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE AND IN WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY HERE.
COUNCIL. THAT WAS A WORK SESSION.
COUNCIL HAD SOME GOOD COMMENTS.
BUT AT THAT SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING, COUNCIL DID NOT TAKE A STANCE ON ANYTHING.
THIS QUOTE AGAIN FROM AN ARTICLE.
THE CITY IS NOT ABUSING ITS POWER TO PUSH AN ANTI-GUN AGENDA.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LITTLE SURPRISING TO SEE, BECAUSE IN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, I THINK IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT AT LEAST CERTAIN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WERE LOOKING FOR A WAY FOR A GUN SELLER LIKE TIMBERLINE, A RANGE LIKE TIMBERLINE, TO FIND A WAY TO ADVERTISE, BUT IN A WAY THAT WE FELT MADE SENSE AND WAS APPROPRIATE IN OUR FACILITIES.
IT WAS NOT A WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY SORT OF ADVERTISING REGARDING FIREARMS. AND THAT'S, I THINK REALLY WHERE COUNCIL WENT.
AND WE'LL SEE THAT AS A AS AN OPTION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN THE POLICY.
KEPT SEEING THIS, THIS NARRATIVE THAT STAFF, WHEN THEY RECEIVE THIS REQUEST IN APRIL, TOOK A TOOK A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, REALLY STEPPED IN AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
TIMBERLINE DID ADVERTISE AT THE AIRPORT, ACCORDING TO THE RECORDS WE HAVE FROM CLEAR CHANNEL.
AGAIN, THIS WAS NOT US AT THE TIME.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR VENDOR TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION.
AFTER THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORDS.
I DIDN'T GIVE THEM A TON OF TIME, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION HERE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE 100% ACCURATE.
BUT AGAIN, ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD SOMEONE ADVERTISE IN THE AIRPORT, AS WE SEE IN THE ARTICLES CONTINUOUSLY SINCE 2019 OR EVERY SUMMER SINCE 2019.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN STAFF DECIDED OUT OF NOWHERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THIS AD ANYMORE.
SURE, YEAH. APPARENTLY TIMBERLINE DID ADVERTISE A FEW YEARS AGO.
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I WON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DATES SO MUCH, BUT WAS THE CONTENT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED RECENTLY BY THEM, OR DO YOU KNOW? WE THINK WE KNOW.WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON IT.
SOMETHING ELSE. WE LOOKED AT THE AD THAT WAS SUBMITTED, OR THE CONTENT, I'LL SAY, OR THE CREATIVE.
I THINK THE TERM THAT'S USED WAS THE SAME THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
WHAT WAS DIFFERENT IN 2019 IS AT THE TIME, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE MONITORS THAT WERE BEING USED AND BASICALLY SOME LIMITATIONS WE HAD AT THE AIRPORT, ALL WE WERE DISPLAYING AT THE TIME WERE STILL IMAGES.
SO IT WAS IT WAS THE SAME CREATIVE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT IT WAS NOT THE VIDEO PORTION OF THE AD THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2023 THAT WAS BEING RUN IN 2019. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE WHEN STAFF SAW THAT AND AGAIN, DIFFERENT STAFF, RIGHT? WE HAVE A DIFFERENT AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE STAFF THERE THAT WERE NOT THERE IN 2019.
AND THAT'S THE AD THAT WAS NOT RUN.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS THAT TIMBERLINE WAS DENIED THE ABILITY TO ADVERTISE AT OUR AIRPORT.
IN THE LAST POINT THERE, AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THIS ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS AGAIN JUST TO CREATE THE PUBLIC NARRATIVE.
I THINK THEY LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THEY MADE US LOOK AT IT.
THEY MADE US REALLY CONSIDER OUR POLICY AND THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT IT WAS NEVER AN ATTEMPT TO PREVENT TIMBERLINE FROM ADVERTISING AT ALL.
WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR FACILITIES.
THIS IS JUST IN OUR AIRPORT AND IN OUR RECREATION FACILITIES.
AND I POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE I.
SO THIS IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT INTERNALLY.
THIS IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH TIMBERLINE.
AND THIS IS AN EMAIL FROM OUR AIRPORT OR AN ECONOMIC VITALITY DIRECTOR TO THE OWNER OF THAT ORGANIZATION TALKING ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO MARKET AND HIGHLIGHTING DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS WHAT WE USE HERE IN ARIZONA.
THEY PROMOTE ALL BUSINESSES IN SORRY, IN FLAGSTAFF, THEY PROMOTE ALL BUSINESSES IN FLAGSTAFF.
BUT I JUST SHOW THIS BECAUSE I, I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS NOT.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT HAPPENING.
I DID MEET WITH MR. WILSON AFTER THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALWAYS GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK OUR OFFICE, OUR OFFICE IS ALWAYS OPEN TO THAT.
IF ANYTHING, OUR GOAL IS TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO I MET WITH MR. WILSON. IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION.
WE MET FOR A LITTLE BIT OVER AN HOUR.
I TRIED TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF WHERE STAFF WAS COMING FROM.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND I'M GOING TO POINT OUT IN THE DRAFT POLICY, HE ACTUALLY MADE A COMMENT THAT I ADDED INTO THE DRAFT POLICY THAT I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT.
HE HAD OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT FACILITIES HERE, CITY HALL AS WELL AS THE AIRPORT.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD. I'VE TALKED WITH OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE AT CITY HALL THAT HE RAISED, AS WELL AS OUR AIRPORT DIRECTOR ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES AT THE AIRPORT HE RAISED.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POLICY.
THEY WERE JUST GOOD COMMENTS FROM A RESIDENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH.
WE WILL LISTEN TO ANYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND AND I THINK MR. WILSON CAME IN AND HAD A VERY FAIR CONVERSATION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
WE DID MEET WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR GOLDWATER.
YOU ALL SAW THE LETTER FROM GOLDWATER, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER WHAT'S IN THAT LETTER.
I THINK I SAID, I THINK EVERYBODY'S SEEN IT.
BUT WE DID MEET WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR GOLDWATER THAT WROTE THE LETTER.
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STERLING AND I DID. AGAIN, GREAT CONVERSATION.WE WE HAD WE DIDN'T SPEND A TON OF TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE GOT INTO A LOT OF THE LEGAL ISSUES IN DETAIL, BUT AGAIN, JUST SHARE WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM, HE SHARED WHERE HE AND HIS CLIENT WERE COMING FROM, BUT IT DEFINITELY STAYED A LITTLE HIGH LEVEL.
BUT IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION WALKING OUT OF THERE.
AND THEN WE REVISED THE DRAFT POLICY BASED ON THE COUNSEL COMMENT.
BUT I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
SO AS YOU KNOW, WE GIVE LEGAL ADVICE IN EACH SESSION.
WE DON'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE AT THE DAIS.
WE DON'T COME IN HERE AND GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO OUR COUNSEL.
SO THEY MAY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OF HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE.
AND SO I TALKED TO STERLING ABOUT THAT.
HE WAS OPEN TO IT. WE DID THIS BEFORE WITH PROP 207.
BACK IN THE DAY. WE GAVE A PRESENTATION TO COUNSEL ON THAT ISSUE.
AGAIN, SAME THING. JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE STATUTE.
SO COUNCIL UNDERSTOOD WHAT PROP 207 WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT.
AND SO AGAIN THIS IS A LITTLE ODD.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY LIKE I SAID, REALLY HIGH LEVEL.
I'M NOT GIVING ANY LEGAL ADVICE HERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE STUFF I SHARE HERE.
SO BUT I THINK IF THERE'S ANYBODY LISTENING IN THE PUBLIC AND THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE LAW, MAYBE THIS POINTS THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO DO SOME DO SOME OF THEIR OWN RESEARCH, BUT I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
THERE'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT FROM THE CONSTITUTION.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL QUOTES AND ANYBODY CAN ACCESS IT.
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM A SUPREME COURT CASE.
AND I PUT THIS IN HERE JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE THE US CONSTITUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE CITIES LIKE FLAGSTAFF TO ALLOW ANY SPEECH ANYBODY WANTS ON OUR PROPERTY.
WE ARE ABLE TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON SPEECH IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS.
AND THIS. THIS IS A GOOD QUOTE FROM ANOTHER CASE.
I ACTUALLY SAW THIS AT A AT A CONFERENCE I WENT TO, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GIVE AND TAKE THAT THIS SELECTIVE PROCESS ALLOWING CITIES AND TOWNS TO PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON REALLY ALLOWS US TO OPEN THINGS UP.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ALLOW SOME SPEECH ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND SO THIS IS THIS IS THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN COMING AT THE FORM ANALYSIS.
THERE'S A LITTLE QUOTE THERE. AGAIN THIS IS FROM AN ARIZONA CASE.
THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY CITED IN ONE OF THE FIRST LETTERS COUNSEL RECEIVED ON THIS ISSUE.
AND AGAIN I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT, BUT IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THIS FORM ANALYSIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SPEECH ON GOVERNMENT PROPERTY.
AND SO THREE MAIN FORUMS. I'LL SAY THREE MAIN. THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT GO BEYOND THAT, BUT THE FIRST TRADITIONAL PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS PARK STREET SIDEWALKS.
THEY OBVIOUSLY GET THE MOST PROTECTION.
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO GATHER AND PROTEST AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
TO HAVE THAT, AS THIS COURT PUT IT, THAT PUBLIC DISCOURSE.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS IS AS STATED IN OUR DRAFT POLICY, WE CONSIDER OUR AIRPORT, OUR FACILITIES, THE AIRPORT AND THE RECREATION FACILITIES TO BE NON PUBLIC FORUMS. SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE OR THE RULES I'LL SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AIRPORT ADVERTISING POLICY AND THE RECREATION FACILITIES ADVERTISING POLICY.
AND I THINK THE KEY HERE, WHY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING ABOUT A NON PUBLIC FORUM THAT ALLOWS YOU TO TO REGULATE CONTENT, WHICH IS REALLY RARE IN A FIRST AMENDMENT CONTEXT.
USUALLY WHEN YOU REGULATE CONTENT IT'S AN AUTOMATIC, YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT A NON PUBLIC FORUM IS DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES.
AGAIN WE HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN RULES WHEN WE DO REGULATE CONTENT.
THERE'S NOTHING THE LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT OPEN.
WE CAN CLOSE IT IF WE WANT, AND THAT'S AN OPTION WE'LL DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
DO YOU MIND GRABBING MY WATER BACK THERE? SORRY. SO CHANGES TO THE DRAFT POLICY.
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SO I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THESE.AND THEN I'LL ACTUALLY PULL UP THE POLICY.
AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE POLICY AND I'LL REFER BACK TO THIS LIST.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN BASED ON WHAT'S ATTACHED TO THE TO THE AGENDA, WE DID CREATE TWO POLICIES.
AND IT REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
THAT'S PROBABLY MY ERROR IN THE BEGINNING.
FORMS ARE DIFFERENT. A RECREATION FACILITY IS DIFFERENT THAN AN AIRPORT.
IN OUR INITIAL DRAFT, WE HAD AN EXEMPTION FOR ALCOHOL ADVERTISING AT THE AIRPORT.
SO WE WERE WE WERE KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING EXEMPTIONS HERE AND THERE, IT JUST MADE MORE SENSE TO DIVIDE THEM UP AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FORUMS. WE EXPANDED THE PURPOSE SECTION A LITTLE BIT, ADDED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT EACH FACILITY HAS IN ADDITION TO ADVERTISING, EXPANDED THE STATEMENT REGARDING PUBLIC FORUM STATUS, THEN CLARIFIED THE PERMITTED TYPES OF ADVERTISING.
THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE LIMITED THIS AS TO COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING.
WE HAD SOME BULLETS THAT KIND OF BROKE OUT WHAT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING IS.
I PUT THEM BACK TOGETHER IN A PARAGRAPH THAT I THINK DESCRIBED IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
ADDED A LIMITATION ON ELECTED PIZZAS.
SO THIS IS THE COMMENT I RECEIVED FROM MR. WILSON. SO IN OUR FIRST DRAFT WE TALKED ABOUT THE PIZZAS AT THE AIRPORT, NAMELY WHERE WE HAVE MAYBE OVER THE LOUDSPEAKER COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WELCOMING INDIVIDUALS TO THE AIRPORT INTO FLAGSTAFF AND HOPING THEY ENJOY ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT FLAGSTAFF HAS TO OFFER.
YOU ALSO WILL SEE THAT ON CERTAIN DISPLAYS.
SO IT'S THE SAME THING. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT REGULATED BY THIS POLICY.
BUT LET ME GIVE YOU THE LIMITATION.
SO WHEN MY DISCUSSION WITH MR. WILSON, HE. HE RAISED THE ISSUE OF, WELL, IF THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER OR ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT'S IN ONE OF THOSE PIZZAS AND THEY'RE UP FOR REELECTION, IS IT REALLY FAIR TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THOSE PIZZAS RUNNING FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THE ELECTION? AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT.
YOU'LL SEE, I ADDED IN THAT FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION INTO THE POLICY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING NEW THAT I'LL POINT OUT.
WE ADDED A RESTRICTION ON ADS DEPICTING GRAPHIC VIOLENCE.
I THINK THIS CAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, WHERE WE MENTIONED LAST TIME WE REMOVED THE STATEMENT WE HAD BEFORE ABOUT VIOLENCE, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY ASKED TO PUT SOMETHING BACK IN, SO I DID.
WE PROVIDED THE OPTIONS REGARDING FIREARM ADVERTISING THAT WE'LL DISCUSS.
SO THIS ONE CAME UP IN MY CONVERSATION WITH WITH MR. WILSON AS WELL. REALLY FROM ME GIVING HIM AN EXAMPLE OF THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION IN MY EXAMPLE, FOCUSED ON THE ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES THAT MADE ME REMEMBER THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ANY RESTRICTION LIKE THAT IN OUR POLICY.
SO I ADDED THAT IN I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE.
AND THEN LAST WE ADDED A STATEMENT REGARDING VIEWPOINT NEUTRALITY.
I THINK THIS CAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO HAS CALLED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES ASKING JUST SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS POLICY, GIVING ME SOME THOUGHTS, AND SO WE ADDED SOMETHING IN THERE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS POLICY IS VIEWPOINT NEUTRAL, THAT IF WE PROHIBIT A CERTAIN SUBJECT MATTER FOR ADVERTISING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO NOT ALLOW AN AD COMING OUT LIKE AN ANTI AD ON THAT SAME SUBJECT MATTER.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY AD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THE POLICY AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH IT REAL QUICK SO COUNCIL CAN SEE.
WHAT WAS DONE, AND I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE HAD THIS.
BUT SO YOU CAN SEE THE PURPOSE SECTION THERE WAS EXPANDED.
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IS IN THE COMMUNITY.
EXPANDED THE NON PUBLIC FORUM STATUS THERE.
SO JUST GAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT ISSUE.
DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH APPLICABILITY MUCH.
TALKING ABOUT THE PERMITTED TYPES OF ADVERTISING.
THERE'S STILL THE WHAT'S ALLOWED IS COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING.
WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED IS NON COMMERCIAL.
WE TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT ADVERTISING.
AND THERE IS THE SECTION HERE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SAAS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ADDED AFTER MY CONVERSATION WITH WITH MR. WILSON AND COUNCIL.
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CONCERN HE RAISED.AND THEN GETTING INTO THE CONTENT RESTRICTIONS.
F IS THE ADDITION REGARDING GRAPHIC VIOLENCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ADDED THERE.
G IS THE FIREARMS SECTION AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THE OPTION ONE WAS FROM THE INITIAL DRAFT.
OPTION TWO THIS REALLY CAME FROM COUNCIL.
THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT IT SEEMED TO BE 3 OR 4 COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, ASKING WHETHER WE COULD JUST FOCUS ON THE DEPICTION OF THE USE OF WEAPONS, I HAVE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO DELETE, BECAUSE I THINK REALLY WHERE COUNCIL WAS GOING IS ON THE DEPICTION OF THE USE OF FIREARMS. IT'S KIND OF ODD TO HAVE THE DEPICTION OF THE USE OF AMMUNITION AND THE DEPICTION OF THE USE OF RELATED GOODS OR SERVICES, I THINK IS I THINK BASED ON WHERE COUNCIL WAS GOING WOULD BE FAIR, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A VIDEO OF A PERSON STANDING IN A, IN A IN A GUN SHOP HOLDING BINOCULARS USED FOR HUNTING OR SOME TARGETS USED FOR TARGET PRACTICE.
I DIDN'T THINK COUNCIL HAD A CONCERN WITH THAT.
AND THEN THREE IS REALLY NO RESTRICTION ON FIREARMS AT ALL.
AND I PUT IN THERE WITH THE NEW ADDITION OF F REGARDING GRAPHIC VIOLENCE, AND H, WHICH WE ADDED TO JUST GRAB ADVERTISEMENTS THAT ARE ABOUT WEAPONS IN GENERAL OR WEAPONS USED INAPPROPRIATELY, I'LL SAY IN GENERAL, UNRELATED TO FIREARMS ALTOGETHER, BUT COULD INCLUDE FIREARMS. SO THREE WOULD BE DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR G.
BASICALLY DELETE IT AND JUST RELY ON F AND H.
N IS THE NEW SECTION ON ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
AND THEN IN RED HERE THE THINGS IN RED ARE THINGS THAT WERE NOT IN THE PACKET.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M CALLING IT OUT IN RED.
SO THIS IS THE STATEMENT ON VIEWPOINT NEUTRALITY THAT I PROPOSED AFTER THE PACKET WENT OUT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
COULD YOU MAKE IT A LOT BIGGER? IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S A LOT BETTER.
THANK YOU. AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC OR ON VIDEO WOULD APPRECIATE THAT EXPANSION ALSO.
SIX AND SEVEN WE DIDN'T TOUCH.
SO THAT WAS JUST ABOUT LOCATIONS AND THEN THE APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CHANGES LOOK LIKE.
YOU LEAVE THAT ONE UP A LITTLE LONGER.
DEFINITELY. YEAH. SO THE I THINK THE NEXT ITEM IN MY OUTLINE WAS TO ALLOW COUNCIL DISCUSSION.
SORRY, I CAN'T PUT UP TWO DOCUMENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO. YEAH, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST COUNCIL QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE POLICY, COULD YOU PUT THE THE RED LETTERS UP.
THERE YOU GO. YEAH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I'M JUST MORE THINKING OUT LOUD.
BUT. WHAT CONCERNS ME IS HAVING ANY POLICY WHERE WE'RE DETERMINING THE DEFINITION.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS A GRAY LINE AROUND IT.
I'M KIND OF SWAYING TOWARDS JUST THE ADVERTISING AT THE AT THE AIRPORT IS NOT SOMETHING WE DEPEND ON FOR A REVENUE STREAM, REALLY.
AND I JUST, I JUST GET A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT.
PEOPLE'S INTERPRETATION OF WHAT MAY BE OFFENSIVE OR DEPICTION OF SOMETHING.
SO I'M KIND OF SWAYING TO JUST.
OPT OUT OF ANY ADVERTISING AT THE AIRPORT.
AND JUST I FEEL THAT THAT'S A MORE EQUITABLE WAY TO DO IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS EVERY TIME THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, SHOOT, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY.
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AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE RELY ON AS A REVENUE SOURCE.THEY'RE JUST TO JUST NOT DO THE ADVERTISING.
YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ADVERTISING AT THE AIRPORT AND AT THE RECREATION FACILITIES.
WAS THAT YOU? THAT SAID, QUICK COMMENT.
IF IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING KEVIN FOR HIS VERY DILIGENT REVIEW OF THIS.
REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS.
WE HAVE CHATTED INTERNALLY ON THIS, AS YOU COULD IMAGINE, SEVERAL TIMES.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEW'S COMMENTS AND SPEAK, YOU KNOW, AS IN YOUR CAPACITY IN MY CAPACITY AS YOUR CITY MANAGER. BUT I THINK A FEW OTHERS IN THE ORGANIZATION HAVE THAT I'VE CONSULTED WITH.
UH, IS NOT A BIG REVENUE GENERATOR HERE.
WE'RE TALKING MAYBE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS PREDICATED ON ADMINISTRATIVE FOUNDATION.
THE OPTION HERE TO SIMPLY CLOSE THE FORM IS IS ONE THAT IS ADVOCATED.
AGAIN, THE REVENUE GENERATING NATURE OF THIS ADVERTISEMENT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT.
YOU KNOW, KING COUNTY IN WASHINGTON OR CITY OF PHENIX, WHERE THESE REVENUES ARE SIGNIFICANT.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN FLAGSTAFF.
THE COST OF LITIGATION, HOWEVER.
IS NO SMALLER HERE, ARGUABLY, THAN IT MIGHT BE IN SOME OF THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
THE COST COULD VERY MUCH BE CLOSELY THE SAME, AND SO LITIGATION ON THIS COULD BE VERY COSTLY.
AND WE'LL QUICKLY EXCEED ANY BENEFIT THAT WE REALIZE THROUGH THE REVENUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO AS FIDUCIARIES OF OUR CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS, WE DO NOT SEE A PRUDENT TO SEE THE POTENTIAL EXORBITANT COSTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH LITIGATION OVER A PROGRAM THAT IS NOT OF GREAT FINANCIAL BENEFIT OR CONSEQUENCE TO THE CITY.
SO THIS IS NOT SINGLING OUT ANY ONE ADVERTISER, OR EVEN THE CONTENT BASED NATURE OF THIS IS SIMPLY LOOKING AT IT FROM A FINANCIAL AND FIDUCIARY STANDPOINT AND COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT'S NOT WORTH, IT'S NOT WORTH THE POTENTIAL COST TO THE CITY.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME WEIGH IN ON THIS.
AND I THINK THAT DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF DOES SUCH AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF MARKETING THE CITY THAT THAT THIS IS A GREAT.
LOCATION FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THIS VERY BRAND SPECIFIC ADVERTISING, AND THEY ALWAYS KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK, SO TO SPEAK, SO I AGREE.
ALREADY SO MUCH WORK HAS GONE INTO JUST LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE AND OUR TIME STAFF TIME.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT JUST NOT HAVING AN OPEN FORUM IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS OF THE LAST THREE SPEAKERS, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT WE DON'T TAKE COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING, BUT WE COULD STILL HAVE OUR OWN ADVERTISING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.
AND OTHERS MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.
AND WE HAVE OTHERS HERE WITH THE AIRPORT AND WITH OUR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WHO CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
AND KEVIN CAN ALSO CHIME IN, BUT THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
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AT THE AIRPORT, AT THE RECREATION FACILITIES.IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, WE WOULDN'T THEN OPEN IT TO DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF TO DO ITS ADVERTISING THROUGH OUR AIRPORT OR RECREATION FACILITY.
I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS LIKE YOU SEE IN CITY HALL WHERE WE MAY HAVE A PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE NOTIFICATION ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE CITY, OR THE PSA FROM COUNCIL SAYING, WELCOME TO FLAGSTAFF.
AND I WASN'T REFERENCING BUSINESSES.
I MEANT MORE LIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN FLAGSTAFF.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE TYPICAL MESSAGES THAT DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF HAS.
WELL. THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.
MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS HEIDI HANSEN, ECONOMIC VITALITY DIRECTOR.
AND SO IT IS OUR JOB IN OUR ADVERTISING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE ATTRACTIONS HOTELS, RESTAURANTS AND CAMPGROUNDS THAT ACTUALLY PAY THAT 2%.
IF WE SHOW A ITEM FROM RESTAURANTS, SOMETIMES WE WILL GIVE CREDIT TO WHERE THAT FOOD ITEM IS FROM.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME TO THE AIRPORT, THEY MIGHT SEE ACTUAL BUSINESSES ON OUR ADVERTISING, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE MARKET THE DESTINATION SO THAT PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, THAT LOOKS REALLY APPETIZING.
I THINK I'LL GO THERE THIS EVENING AND WE ACTUALLY DO A GOOD JOB SPREADING THAT AROUND.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, KEVIN, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE OVER TO AN ADVERTISING POLICY? WHAT HEIDI JUST SAID, IF WE CLOSE THE FORUM, DOES THAT ALLOW FOR DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE FLAGSTAFF, OR DO WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE? SO YOU'RE ASKING.
YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR MY LEGAL ADVICE? THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'D RATHER NOT GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE'RE SAYING NO PAID ADVERTISING, THEN THAT'S CLEAR.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE CITY.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'D RATHER NOT GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO DRAW ANY LINES ON THAT RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
SO I'LL SEE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS MADE, THEN I PRESUME THAT THAT WOULD BE INFORMAL ADVICE.
IS THAT CORRECT, OR WOULD THIS BE THE END OF IT? RIGHT. TONIGHT? I THINK IT WOULD BE THE END OF IT.
I THINK AT THAT POINT, ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE CAN OUR OFFICE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WITH ECONOMIC VITALITY IN THE AIRPORT TO TAKE THE DIRECTION COUNCIL GAVE, WHICH IS TO CLOSE THE FORM AND MAKE SURE WE DO THAT APPROPRIATELY AND DON'T RAISE OTHER ISSUES.
SO AND THANK YOU KEVIN THANKS FOR ALL THE ANALYSIS AND HARD WORK ON THIS OVER THE MONTHS.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WEIGHING IN, CITY MANAGER.
WHEN YOU SPEAK, I DO LISTEN, I THINK YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR PARTICULARLY CLOSE EAR TO THE GROUND AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE PROVEN VERY WELL THAT YOU MANAGE THE CITY TO AN EXEMPLARY STANDARD AND JUST, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THIS, THIS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, I FIND MYSELF AGREEING WITH WHAT I THINK IS NOW A CONSENSUS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND JUST CLOSE THE FORUM.
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I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY UNDER SECTION FOUR TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE POSSIBLY RUNNING FOR REELECTION.I WOULD JUST STRIKE ALL THAT TOO, DON'T YOU? MIGHT AS WELL NOT. ADD THAT IN ADDITION HERE, STRIKE THE WHOLE POLICY.
YEAH, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST SEE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH THAT LITTLE TWEAK AS WELL.
AND WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S CAMPAIGNING FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO'S CURRENTLY IN THEIR ROLE TO BE PUBLIC AND OUT THERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
SO IT'S JUST MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT'S WORTH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO SENSE, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YES. OKAY, SO I, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M FULLY CLEAR ON WHAT WAS BEING STATED A MOMENT AGO ABOUT THE POTENTIAL NEED TO GO INTO SESSION ON THE QUESTION REGARDING DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF, BUT I AND I SENSE THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS NOW, AND I MIGHT BE OVERRULED ON THIS ANYWAY, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH A NO ADVERTISING POLICY WITHOUT HEARING MORE ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF AND THEIR OBLIGATION AS AS HEIDI JUST SHARED TO PROMOTE BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTING TO THE TAX.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT BIT OF ADVISEMENT AND INFORMATION FOR US TO HAVE.
SO I WOULD IF IF WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD ASK FOR US TO GO INTO A SESSION SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE MAKING A FINAL DECISION HERE.
BUT I MIGHT BE OUTVOTED BY THE MAJORITY, SO IT MAY NOT MATTER ANYWAY.
MEMBER. COULD WE SAY THAT AS YOU STATED IT, KEVIN, THAT YOU ALL WILL LOOK AT YOU'LL LOOK AT THIS, YOU'LL YOU'LL AND IF IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT GOES COUNTER TO ANYTHING THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS SAID, AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE MATERIALS, YOU'LL COME BACK TO US FOR US TO ADDRESS THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR, AND I REALLY DO THINK ONCE COUNCIL GIVES THEIR THOUGHTS HERE AND DIRECTION ON CLOSING THE FORM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVELY, I REALLY DO.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN SESSION IF WE GO INTO E SESSION, BUT I JUST I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF THE COUNCIL GIVES THE DIRECTION, I THINK THEY JUST GAVE, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT IN A WAY THAT COMPLIES WITH THE LAW.
AND SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
CORRECT. SO THE THE COMMENTS THAT THE VICE MAYOR MADE, WE DON'T REALLY EVEN NEED TO CONSIDER ASSUMING WE GO AHEAD WITH THE NO FORUM, NO PUBLIC FORUM OPTION.
YES. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
OKAY. I YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
I MEAN THANK YOU. THIS WAS THE SLIDE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND THE RESEARCH AND THE CONSIDERATION THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS MATTER, AND FOR GIVING US SO MUCH TO WORK WITH AND SO MUCH TO CONSIDER.
AND I THINK IT WAS AN INTERESTING IT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
LIKE I SAID STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
THANK YOU. AND, MAYOR, IF I MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS THAT.
[11. Informational Items To/From Mayor, Council, and City Manager; future agenda item requests]
I'M GOING TO START ONLINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.[03:35:01]
THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL JUST.I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY LAST WEEK.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. TIME MEANS NOTHING TO ME ANYMORE.
BUT BELIEVE IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK.
WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN AND VIEW THE CANAL CONVERGENCE, ART INSTALLATION, AND SEVERAL OTHER CITIES IN ARIZONA'S ART COUNCIL ORGANIZATIONS.
IT WAS A WONDERFUL, QUICK TOUR OF OF ALL OF THOSE PLACES AND SPOKE A LOT TO THE POTENTIAL FOR THE CULTURAL ENGAGEMENT AND ECONOMICS OF THE ARTS FOR OUR CITY.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION.
AND THEN MY LAST THING FOR TODAY IS I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A FAIR.
THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT TODAY WITH THE FLAGSTAFF SHELTER SERVICES PRESENTATION AND SOME OF WHAT WAS SPOKEN TO LAST WEEK BY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME OUT AND SPOKE ABOUT CAMPING.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT REEXAMINING THE CHARTER FOR THE HOUSING COMMISSION, AND SEEING ABOUT ADDING SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION OR APPOINTMENT THERE THAT ENABLES THE VOICE OF A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY HOMELESSNESS OR UNSHELTERED STATUS.
I KNOW WE HAVE CITIZEN REPRESENTATION OR COMMUNITY REPRESENTATION ON THAT COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC TO SAYING THAT WE WANT A VOICE ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED OR HAS THAT LIVED EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY VALUABLE CONVERSATION. POINT TWO TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION GOING INTO THE FUTURE.
THE CITY MANAGER, LIKE MY JOKE PUN, IS ALWAYS A GOOD WAY TO END THE EVENING.
I'M GOING TO. I'M GOING TO PASS.
THIS EVENING. I WILL MENTION BRIEFLY THAT WE HAD A VISIT WITH THE HOPI TRIBAL COUNCIL YESTERDAY.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND YES, I WILL YIELD TO YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THE WONDERFUL VISIT THAT WE HAD WITH THE HOPI TRIBE AND THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I SPENT ALL DAY WEDNESDAY AT THE ECONOMIC COLLABORATIVE OF NORTHERN ARIZONA RETREAT, WHICH WAS REALLY INFORMATIONAL AND SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO CHECK OUT THE WEBINARS THAT ECONA HAS ON ITS WEBSITE.
THEY DID A STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THERE ARE A SERIES OF WEBINARS THAT TAKE THAT STRATEGIC PLAN INTO LITTLE CHUNKS, AND THEY'RE ABOUT AN HOUR EACH.
AND THE WEB ECHO AND A-AZ.COM.
AND WE ALSO HAD THE SISTER CITIES.
AN ARIZONA SISTER CITIES CONFERENCE IN FLAGSTAFF ON SATURDAY.
SO WE GOT TO DANCE A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE SOME FOOD WITH OUR SISTER CITY OF NAVOJOA, MEXICO.
AND THEY WERE HERE ALL DAY ON SATURDAY AND IT WAS JUST A GREAT CONFERENCE.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO VOLUNTEERED FOR STUFF THE BUS, THE FOOD DRIVE FOR THE FLAGSTAFF FAMILY FOOD CENTER OVER THIS PAST WEEKEND AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A MATCHING GIFT THAT DESERT FINANCIAL CREDIT UNION HAS OFFERED TO THEM $25,000 MATCHING GIFTS.
AND FINALLY, WE DID HAVE AN OUTSTANDING VISIT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE HOPI RESERVATION.
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ROSE TOHE. AND THANK YOU, ROSE, FOR ALL YOUR WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO BRINGING THIS ABOUT.AND ROSE HAD THIS GREAT PRESENTATION THAT STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION BETWEEN US ALL ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY IS DOING SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO OUR INDIGENOUS RESIDENTS AND INDIGENOUS NEIGHBORS AROUND FLAGSTAFF.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MANY MORE OF THESE AND JUST STRENGTHENING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND LEARNING HOW WE AS A CITY CAN TAKE STEPS TO DO EVEN BETTER AND TO SHARE THE INFORMATION OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
SO THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
CITY MANAGER NO THANK YOU MAYOR.
GREAT. THEN WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.