[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO THIS NOVEMBER 15TH MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

IT IS 4:01 P.M., AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ROLL CALL.

MICHELLE, ARE YOU LEADING ROLL CALL? OKAY. OR I CAN, MICHELLE, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

[INAUDIBLE] YES, AND PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO USE YOUR MICROPHONES SO PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR US.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

ALL RIGHT, WE WILL NOW BEGIN OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, WHICH WE READ TODAY BY AMY HORN, COMMISSIONER AMY HORN.

THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS BORDER MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HORN.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COMMENT ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. NOTHING IN THE ROOM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE NOTHING ONLINE.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the October 18, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission]

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 18TH, 2023.

DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS? I'M SEEING A YES FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

PLEASE LET US KNOW.

THE AMENDMENTS I HAVE ARE WHEN I AM REFERRED TO AS THEY, WOULD YOU PLEASE SAY SHE OR HER, WHATEVER PROPER PRONOUN IS? DON'T USE THEY OR THEM WITH ME, PLEASE.

I AM A FEMALE SINGULAR PERSONALITY.

THE OTHER ONE IS UNDER NUMBER NINE.

ALICIA HAYES THANKED MARK AND SARA FOR ARRANGING THE TOUR, AND THEN I WAS ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED FOR GIVING A TOUR OF TOWNSITE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

PROGRAM. SO IT'S JUST SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THE CITY HAS A LAND TRUST PROGRAM, AND I WAS NOT DOING THAT ONE.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TOWNSITE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST PROGRAM.

SO I THINK.

I THINK THAT'S IT. THANKS.

IS THERE A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB REGARDING PRONOUNS? JUST IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE IS REFERRED TO AS THEY OR THEM.

I MEAN, I HAVE NO OPPOSITIONS IF SOMEONE HAS A PREFERENCE.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S A.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, OF COURSE, I JUST DIDN'T NOTICE BEFORE UNTIL DUFFIE MENTIONED SOMETHING.

[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE TOO? I DO, AND I GUESS IT HELPS WHEN YOU TURN IT ON WHEN YOU TALK.

THANK YOU. JUST OTHERWISE PEOPLE AT HOME, BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING US RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE TWO CORRECTIONS OR WAS IT THREE CORRECTIONS?

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I THINK THERE WERE TWO USES OF THAT PRONOUN, AND ONE TO CLARIFY WHICH LAND TRUST PROGRAM.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REVISIONS FROM MR. WESTHEIMER. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDMENTS OR NOT? OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ANY SECONDS? SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES.

OKAY, THAT IS LAST MONTH'S AGENDA.

[A. Cultural Resource Study 617 W Tombstone Demolition (Sedillo property) PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 617 W Tombstone Ave Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-36-041 Property Owner: L&M Prop3 Flagstaff, LLC (Ryan Haas) Applicant: Lynn Neal Consulting, LLC (owner representative) City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: This is a request to review and accept the submitted report, amended by the HPO as a Phase 1 Cultural Resource Study (CRS) with included mitigation. The Study was commissioned by L&M Prop3 Flagstaff, LLC (Ryan Haas) and prepared by Lynn Neal Consulting, LLC of Flagstaff AZ. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve the submitted Letter Report with the amended title as a Phase 1 Cultural Resource Study as meeting submission requirements of historic research and property recordation with proposed mitigation. ]

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR ITEMS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

MARK, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US ON THE 617 WEST TOMBSTONE PROPERTY? YES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

617 WEST TOMBSTONE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED BY DUPLEX.

I'M ALWAYS FAIRLY CAUTIOUS ON THE NEED FOR A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.

WE'RE NOT A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT CERTAINLY THE PLAZA VIEJA IS A KNOWN HISTORIC ETHNIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY TO IT, AND THAT THERE ARE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THIS PRETTY MUCH LEAVES ONLY TWO HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IN THAT BLOCK.

SO THAT CONTINUOUS KIND OF CHEWING AWAY OF, OF HISTORIC AREAS KIND OF MOTIVATED ME TO SAY THAT WE REALLY DO NEED A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY ON THIS.

THE HISPANIC FAMILY WAS VERY MUCH WELL ENTRENCHED INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HAD A LOT OF OF ASPECTS TO DO WITH HOW THE COMMUNITY WORKED AND WHERE THEY PARTICIPATED.

SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR A PHASE ONE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.

NOTE THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED AS A LETTER REPORT, BUT AGAIN, WE KEPT WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL, AND OUR PHASE ONE STUDIES INCLUDE MITIGATION. SO I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE MITIGATION ON THIS AND TO REALLY FULLY RESEARCH THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS PULL UP SOME OF THE FAMILY HISTORY THAT'S THERE SO WE CAN PRESERVE THAT, AND THEN THE MITIGATION, PER MY RECOMMENDATION, THERE WERE SEVERAL OPTIONS, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT DOING SOME INTERPRETIVE BRICKS AROUND THE LITTLE PARK, AND SO TYING INTO THAT PROJECT AND HELPING THAT PROJECT ALONG.

SO THE NAMES OF THE VARIOUS FAMILIES THAT LIVED IN PLAZA VIEJA, THEY PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO BPAC THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS, AND THEN IT'S KIND OF LOGICAL TO GO AHEAD AND PLUG INTO THAT TO HELP THAT PROJECT ALONG.

SO BETWEEN THE RESEARCH AND THE MITIGATION, I THINK WE'VE COVERED THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY AS A PHASE ONE.

SO BACK YOUR DIRECTION.

IF YOU FEEL THAT THE REPORT, IF YOU'VE REVIEWED IT, IS SUFFICIENT AND THE MITIGATION IS SUFFICIENT THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THIS.

WE DO HAPPEN TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT HERE THAT PREPARED THAT.

LYNN NEIL IS HERE IF.

YEAH, LYNN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? OR THAT MARK MISSED? [INAUDIBLE] OKAY. I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS RESPOND TO QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANTED TO.

I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.

JUST REAL QUICK.

LEAN INTO THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT OR ADJUST IT TO YOUR HEIGHT.

THANK YOU. YES AS AS YOU ALL KNOW HOW THESE PROJECTS CONTINUE TO MIGRATE.

ONCE THEY GET INTO YOUR HEAD AND GET INTO YOUR SKIN, YOU'RE INTERESTED FOREVER, AND SO I'VE CONTINUED TO FIND OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND THE ONE LITTLE PIECE THAT'S NOT, I THINK, SPECIFICALLY IN THE REPORT, BECAUSE I HADN'T TRACKED IT DOWN YET, WAS THE SEDILLO GROCERY STORE THAT WAS ON TOMBSTONE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THERE HAD BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN A CORNER STORE.

IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS DEMOLISHED IN 1975 BECAUSE I SAW THE REFERENCES TO THE.

STORE DISAPPEAR AROUND THEM, BUT I HADN'T YET FOLLOWED THAT UP TO FIND OUT.

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THAT IT DIDN'T MOVE ANYWHERE ELSE.

ONCE IT ONCE IT WAS DEMOLISHED AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN AT TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WASN'T WASN'T IN THERE.

I WANTED TO ADD THAT'S TIED INTO THE CITY OF FAMILY.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU MADE A BRIEF MENTION OF IT, BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ARE YOU GUYS HERE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. WE JUST RARELY EVER HAVE PEOPLE.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. LYNN, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, AFTER I FINISHED IT, I REALIZED THERE WAS NO MENTION OF JUSTICE OF THE PEACE, SEDILLO, WHO WENT ON TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE, JAMES DEA, I THINK IT WAS, AND SO THEN I DID A SEARCH TODAY AND I DIDN'T FIND THAT.

DO YOU KNOW THE CONNECTION? IS THAT WHERE HE GREW UP? I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO CONNECT HIM TO THE SEDILLO, SINCE HE HAS A SEDILLO, AND HE WAS REFERRED TO BY MATTHEW, WHO'S THE GREAT, THE GRANDSON, GREAT GRANDSON OF THE FOUNDING CITY OF FAMILY OF THIS PROPERTY OR THE OCCUPIERS.

I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T BUILD IT.

HE REFERS TO JIMMY SEDILLO AS HIS UNCLE AND I BELIEVE HE IS, BUT HE WAS NOT I DON'T THINK HE WAS A SIBLING, THOUGH.

OF THE.

KIDS THAT DESCENDED FROM FELIPE AND ADELINA SEDILLO.

SO HE DIDN'T GROW UP IN THAT HOUSE? HE DIDN'T GROW UP IN THAT HOUSE, BUT HE GREW UP ON TOMBSTONE OR I MEAN, SORRY, TUCSON.

THE BEST I COULD FIGURE, AND HIS MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME IS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE SHE'S THE SEDILLO, BUT SHE'S NOT.

SO YEAH, I DIDN'T I DIDN'T COMPLETELY CONNECT THAT, BUT I HAD THE SAME.

I ASSUMED HE WAS GOING TO BE A SIBLING OF PHILIP OR FELIPE, AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, HE IS NOT.

I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, IF I MAY.

I ASSUME HE'S A COUSIN.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE OWNER HAS ANY PLANS TO SALVAGE THAT BEAUTIFUL WALL SIDING? THE WOOD SIDING THAT I GUESS IS THE LIVING ROOM THAT HAS THAT BEAUTIFUL PINE.

ACTUALLY THE WOOD IN THE IT'S JUST.

YOU MEAN THE PANELING? THE. I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME SALVAGE OF WOOD THAT IS IN THE WORKSHOP SHED IN THE GARAGE, WHICH IS IN GOOD SHAPE. A LOT OF THAT WALL WOULD I MEAN, AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S 12 INCH LUMBER, AND SEVEN INCH, SEVEN AND 12 MOSTLY.

SO IT'S ESPECIALLY THE STUFF IN THE WORKSHOP SHED IS THE 12 INCH PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL? BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING AFTER I DIDN'T I MEAN, NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, THAT IS IT'S GOOD 50-60S WOOD PANELING.

IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED.

I DON'T THINK THE OWNER IS OPPOSED TO HAVING MATERIAL SALVAGED.

THANKS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE PART THAT YOU DON'T SEE IS WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS COME IN AND THE SIRENS GO OFF DEMOLITION.

I DO LOOK AT AND I DO TALK TO THE OWNERS, AND I DO SEE IF WE CAN FIND AN OPTION TO SAVE THE PROPERTIES.

SO THAT'S ONE STEP THAT I ALWAYS TAKE, AND WE LOOK THROUGH CONDITIONS, WE TALK THROUGH OPTIONS, WE LOOK AT FUNDING, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE OWNER CAN DO BY FOLLOWING OUR REGULATIONS, CAN END UP DOING CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES AND MITIGATION AND END UP DOING A DEMOLITION.

I HAVE A COMMENT.

LYNN, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE NUMEROUS HIGH QUALITY PHOTOS YOU TOOK OF THE PROPERTY TO DOCUMENT ITS LANDSCAPE AND ITS DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M ASSUMING THE REASON FOR DEMOLITION IS JUST THE POOR QUALITY OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE TO RESTORE IT, AND IF YOU GO TO THAT BLOCK ON TOMBSTONE, THAT ENTIRE THAT'LL END UP THAT ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS THE DUPLEXES, WHICH IS THAT TYPICAL

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REDEVELOPMENT FOR STUDENT HOUSING.

SO THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL TYPICAL.

THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO HOUSES LEFT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

SO AT LEAST CONSIDERING THAT PROGRESSION OF DEMOLITION AND TRYING TO RETAIN SOME OF THE CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPORTANT.

SO WE'LL KEEP WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL.

WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION MARK.

YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A RENTAL DUPLEX.

DO WE KNOW IF IT'S GOING OR IF THERE'S HOPES OR PLANS THAT IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE OTHER DUPLEXES NEARBY? IS IT GOING TO BE LONG TERM SHORT TERM RENTAL? DO WE HAVE KIND OF ANY IDEA WHAT THE FUTURE PLAN IS AFTER THE DEMOLITION? I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT WILL BE A STUDENT LONG TERM RENTAL.

THAT'S BEEN THE TYPICAL.

THEY'VE PROPOSED THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE PLAZA VIEJA THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MINIMAL.

SO AS FAR AS THAT HISTORIC CHARACTER, JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN SCALE AND SOME APPROPRIATE DETAILING, THAT AT LEAST RELATES TO THE PLAZA VIEJA NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT SCALE.

SO WHETHER WE'VE PASSED THAT OUT OR PASSED THAT RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME, I THINK THAT THE DESIGN THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED WILL AT LEAST BE COMPATIBLE ON SCALE, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU. WILL THAT DESIGN COME BACK TO US OR NO, BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] DESIGN.

OKAY, I DIDN'T THINK SO.

I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE WORKING ON A CONTEXT FOR THE PLAZA VIEJA NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT IT HAD KIND OF STALLED, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGED ANYTHING.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMMISSION? I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW THAT FROM READING THAT THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC PLAN FOR LA PLAZA VIEJA, AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED OR NOT DEEMED ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THE SOUTHSIDE DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE IT WAS SUBMITTED TO [INAUDIBLE].

THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES AND NOT ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO DO THAT.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CONSIDERATION AND TALK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS NORTH OF THE TRACKS THAT IS ACTUALLY LA PLAZA VIEJA.

PEOPLE DON'T REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, BUT OLD TOWN SPRINGS AND THE STUFF NORTH OF THE TRACK, I THINK HAS ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO BE ITS OWN DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE TALKED TO NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS THAT GOES, BUT THE BIGGER GIANT PLAN, THAT WAS ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, IT JUST DID NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA TO BE ITS OWN DISTRICT.

OKAY. THANKS. ANYTHING ELSE.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY LAST THINGS EITHER OF YOU WANT TO SAY? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUBMITTED LETTER REPORT WITH THE AMENDED TITLE AS A PHASE ONE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY AS MEETING SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS OF HISTORIC RESEARCH AND PROPERTY RECREATION WITH PROPOSED MITIGATION.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MOTION? OKAY. I WAS JUST SEEING SOME SKEPTICAL FACES.

ALL THOSE. ALL THOSE WHO APPROVE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAINING.

ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES.

I THINK PASSING THE DEATH SENTENCE ON A PROPERTY ALWAYS MAKES YOUR FACE DO THAT.

WELL, AGAIN, I THINK LYNN'S PICTURES DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING THE WHAT THE HOUSE USED TO LOOK LIKE, BUT ALSO JUST THE POOR DISREPAIR STATE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY IN.

COULD I MAKE A COMMENT? OH, YEAH. IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE IF THE CITY WOULD MAKE ALL THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT SEEMS LIKE THEY COULD JUST BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE.

WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

OTHERWISE THE PROPERTY IS 100% GONE.

IF WE WOULD MAKE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE THEY'RE NOT 100% GONE.

SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE, AND I THINK IF YOU TALK TO PETER RUNGE AT NAU SPECIAL COLLECTIONS OR THE PUBLIC LIBRARY OR BOTH, THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR MAKING THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.

[B. Historic Sign and Facade Grant for roof repair at 314 W Birch Ave PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 314 W Birch Ave Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-11-003 Property Owner: Robert and Dorothy Best Applicant: Johnny Ansani City Staff: Mark Reavis, HPO REQUESTED ACTION: The applicant on behalf of Dorothy & Robert Best has requested a $20,000 Historic Facade Grant for work associated with preserving a historic home located at 314 W Birch Ave within the Townsite Design Review Overlay and the Townsite National Register District. NOTE: A $20,000 matching façade grant is for preservation work that rehabilitates conditions that threaten the historic integrity of the home with work performed meeting the Secretary of the Interior Standards of the home’s façades. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Level 2 Historic Sign and Façade Grant for $20,000 to support structural roof repairs, repairs to eaves, and painting at 314 W Birch Ave with the condition that the work comply with the US Secretary of the Interior’s Standards & Guidelines for Rehabilitation monitored by the Heritage Preservation Officer.]

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR HISTORIC SIGN AND FACADE GRANT FOR 314 WEST BIRCH.

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THANK YOU. I WAS AT THE STATE HISTORY CONFERENCE, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND AND ABOUT, AND SARA DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF FILLING IN FOR ME. SHE HAD A WHOLE LOT TO DO.

SO SHE'S TRIPLE TASKING NOW, NOT JUST DOUBLE TASKING.

SO THIS REQUEST CAME IN AS THE APPLICANT, AND IT WAS ALSO ASKED WHY THERE WAS A ROOFING PERMIT, OF COURSE, CAME IN FOR THE REQUIRED ROOFING PERMIT, AND THEN WE REALIZED THAT WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE INTACT BUNGALOW THAT IS REALLY DESERVING OF FULL RESTORATION AND FULL COMPLIANCE WITH SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

SO WE KIND OF DID A FAST ACTION TO REQUEST FUNDING FOR THIS SO THAT THEY CAN GO THE EXTRA MILE AND NOT JUST REROOF, BUT REBUILD THE EXPOSED AND ROTTED DIFFERENT MEMBERS THAT ARE PART OF THAT WHOLE STYLE OF BUNGALOW WITH EXPOSED RAFTERS AND EDGE BOARDS AND BRACKET DETAILS.

SO THE HOUSE NEEDS A FAIR AMOUNT OF LOVE.

THE OWNERS AND PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT WANT TO DO IT RIGHT AND REALLY MAKE ALL THE REPAIRS INVISIBLE, AND I NOTICED IT WAS CALLED OUT THAT THERE'S NOT AN ESTIMATE, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK.

SO WE BELIEVE ALLOCATING THE FULL AMOUNT FOR THE LEVEL TWO FUNDING IS APPROPRIATE, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE I WILL CLOSELY MONITOR THE WORK AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE TRACK COSTS AND WE ONLY REIMBURSE ON THINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE.

THERE ARE PHOTOS.

THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT REALLY IS A UNIQUE AND FULLY INTACT HOUSE.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THE FACT WHEN YOU YOU DON'T TAKE ACTIONS ON A HOUSE, THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY IS ACTUALLY THERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME DETERIORATION THAT TAKES PLACE.

WE DO HAVE THE OWNERS HERE THAT COULD TALK ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PROCEED ON THE PROJECT.

YEAH, JUST ONE BIT OF CLARIFYING THING.

WE COULD MAKE IT A PART OF THE ACTION LIKE THAT.

THEY WILL BE PROVIDING A BUDGET.

YES. OKAY.

YEAH. IF YOU GUYS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY. BOB'S THE OWNER AND I'M HIS SON IN LAW.

MY WIFE AND I, I'M ROBERT BEST AND DOROTHY IS MY WIFE, AND SHE OWNS WITH ME THE HOUSE AT 314 WEST BIRCH, AND WE WANT TO GET IT UP TO SNUFF.

IT'S NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE.

THE ROOF ISN'T ANYWAY, AND THIS IS MY SON IN LAW, JOHN, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT'S DOING ALL THE OVERSEEING THE WORK.

DOING A LOT OF THE WORK, AND WHO IS THE DOG? THAT'S THOR. OH, THIS IS THOR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE.

[CHUCKLING] YES.

YEAH. WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN ATTENDANCE.

[CHUCKLING] ALL RIGHT, I GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH.

WE'LL JUST SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED BY YOU OR MARK.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND A COMMENT.

GO AHEAD. ONE, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE AN OLD FLAGSTAFF FAMILY, SO IF YOU TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR HISTORY, AND I WILL, IT'S IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT BY WILL [INAUDIBLE], WHO BUILT THE HOUSE.

WE JUST MOVED.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE 20 SOME HOUSES THAT HE BUILT IN TOWN, AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE NAME WILL [INAUDIBLE], PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

WELL, I ACTUALLY DO NOT KNOW THE NAME WILL [INAUDIBLE].

THE HOUSE CAME INTO MY FAMILY ON MY MOTHER'S SIDE IN 1920.

THAT'S WHEN MY GRANDPARENTS WERE MARRIED THAT YEAR.

SO IT'S BEEN IN OUR FAMILY SINCE 1920.

SO WE'VE HAD IT FOR 103 YEARS, AND IT WAS MY GRANDFATHER LIVED THERE WITH MY GRANDMOTHER, AND THEN MY UNCLE LIVED THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL HE PASSED OR UNTIL HE HAD TO MOVE, AND HE PASSED AWAY IN 2018.

SO IT'S BEEN MY RESPONSIBILITY SINCE THEN.

SO WE WANTED TO GET IT FIXED UP AND LOOKING BETTER.

IT'S THE ROOF IS REALLY NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN THIS TASK OF REDOING IT AND GETTING SOME OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, ROOFING.

THAT'S WHY JOHN'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

IT'S GOING TO BE COSTLY, BUT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE CARE OF.

YEAH I'VE BEEN DOING THIS KIND OF WORK FOR 45 YEARS, AND I'VE GOT MY UNCLE HELPING ME.

HE'S BEEN WORKING HERE IN FLAGSTAFF FOR ABOUT JUST AS LONG.

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THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN HIS FAMILY HERE.

HE OUGHT TO TELL YOU ABOUT HIS GRANDMOTHER.

YEAH. MY GRANDMOTHER ON MY FATHER'S SIDE WAS COUNTY SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT FOR MANY YEARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 20TH CENTURY. SO WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FAMILY, AND MY BROTHER IN LAW, STEVE, HIS FAMILY'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, TOO.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOTS HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO RESTORE THE HOUSE AND MAKE IT LOOK AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE, AND WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A COSTLY UNDERTAKING, AND.

WE'RE SWALLOWING HARD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

DIDN'T YOUR UNCLE WORK FOR THE CITY FOR HIS WHOLE CAREER? HE DID 37 YEARS.

HE WAS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

HE SPENT 34 OUT ON THE SURVEY CREW, AND THEN THREE YEARS OVER AT THE DESK.

THE ENGINEERING DESK AT THE CITY HALL BEFORE.

THEY JUST RIGHT HERE BEFORE THEY REDID IT.

IT'S BEEN REDONE SINCE SINCE HE'S BEEN GONE, BUT HE'S WORKED HERE 37 YEARS, AND OF COURSE, THE HOUSE IS JUST RIGHT OVER THERE ON BIRCH.

SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO OVER THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AFTER THE MEETING IF YOU WANT, BUT WE'VE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING.

WE'VE GOT THE DUMPSTER THERE, WE GOT THE CARS PARKED.

THEY LOOK A LITTLE ODD PARKED IN WHERE WE HAVE THEM PARKED, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE OFF THE STREETS IN THE WINTERTIME.

SO WE THINK THIS TASK WILL PROBABLY TAKE US A WHILE TO GET DONE.

I'M ESTIMATING PROBABLY TOWARDS THE TOWARDS THE END OF DECEMBER, PROVIDED THE WEATHER, YEAH THE WEATHER WE DON'T KNOW HOW COOPERATIVE IT WILL BE.

I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT.

IT'S A REALLY COOL HOUSE.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR MARK.

IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO ADD A BUDGET INTO THE APPLICATION? BECAUSE I THINK THERE USED TO BE ONE IN THE OLD FORM, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE CHANGED.

I THINK WE HAVE A BUDGET PAGE.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THAT, SO.

OKAY, SO MAYBE IT'S JUST MISSING.

YEAH OKAY. YEAH.

BECAUSE I OVERALL THE FORM LOOKS MUCH BETTER.

I LIKE THE TITLE OF THE FORM ESPECIALLY, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TRACKING IT, AND THEN THERE WAS A I'M SORRY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE FACT THAT THEY CAME IN FOR THE ROOFING PERMIT AND WE JUST PROCESSED THAT.

SO WHEN THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE BASIC STUFF.

THE DUMPSTER WAS OUTSIDE, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT DOUBLE TYPE OF THING ON THIS.

I JUST THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE HAVE PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WE LOOK AT AS PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT HISTORY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROPERTIES FLAGSTAFF HISTORY.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DO BOTH THINGS PRESERVING THE PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURE AND ALSO PRESERVING THE HISTORY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

OH, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE SHEATHING IS SKIP SHEATHING OR SOLID.

BECAUSE IF IT'S SKIP YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I MEAN, THERE'S A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE.

HAVE YOU TALKED TO BUILDING CODE A LITTLE? YEAH, LIKE, ARE YOU ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE UNDERLAYMENT OF WOOD THAT'S ON IT RIGHT NOW? IT HAS A HAS PLANK AND THEN IT HAS SHAKE ROOF ON IT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS KEEP THE DETAIL OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOME ON THE OUTSIDE THAT'S VISIBLE, BUT I'M GOING TO BE USING OSB ON THE TOP AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE ANYWHERE.

OKAY. WE HAD JUST RUN INTO A THING WHERE THEY SORT OF DID EVERY OTHER, AND THERE WERE SOME GAPS, AND THERE HAD BEEN SOME PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE CITY REQUIRING THINGS TO BE REMOVED, WHICH THEN CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE IN THE HOUSE, AND SO WE FOUND A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT WITHOUT ADDING MORE WEIGHT.

IF SO, YES, SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE I'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT THOSE PLANKS AND SHAKE ROOF ON THE OUTSIDE SO IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT DOES NOW.

YEAH. THANKS.

YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER HORN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I LOOKED UP THE APPLICATION FOR THE SIGNS AND FACADES GRANT, AND IT DOES HAVE A BUDGET.

LIKE IF YOU NOTICE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE APPLICATION WE RE GIVEN, IT SAYS PAGE ONE OF FIVE.

THE FIFTH PAGE IS A BUDGET, AND THEN ALL THE STUFF IN BETWEEN IS LIKE THE INSTRUCTIONS TO FILL IT OUT.

SO IT PROBABLY JUST GOT LEFT OFF.

WHEN WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER A LITTLE BETTER.

WELL, AND WE'RE NOT ALL DOING MULTIPLE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BETTER ON THIS BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO WE KIND OF PULLED IT ALL TOGETHER QUICKLY.

SO AND I TRUST THEIR LONG TIME EXPERIENCE KNOWING HOW TO MAKE I THINK WE DISCUSSED MAKING IT INVISIBLE THE REPAIRS.

SO THAT IS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ACTUALLY MAKING YOUR REPAIRS INVISIBLE.

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THAT'S IT FOR ME.

THERE IS A RECOMMENDED MOTION SOMEWHERE.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET.

SO HAVE WE DISCUSSED THAT WE WANT TO DO THE RECOMMENDED ACTION WITH THE.

SPECIFICATION THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE A BUDGET THEN.

OR AT LEAST THAT MARK WILL BE REVIEWING THE BUDGET OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

MARK, I HAD A QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU VIEW OR WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE YOUR ROLE BEING FOR THESE $20,000 GRANTS? WILL YOU BE LIKE DOING WEEKLY CHECK INS OR GOING TO THE PROPERTY? THEY'RE SO CLOSE WE'LL JUST BE YOU JUST GO ON YOUR WAY ALL THE TIME.

SO I JUST HAVE TO FEED ME, BUT I'LL BE RIGHT THERE.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ENVISIONED FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WHAT YOU WOULD BE UNIQUE.

YEAH, I HAVE ONE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THE NORTH END ON LARUE, AND I THINK WE'VE MADE PROGRESS, TOO.

THE THING THAT WILL REALLY MAKE IT CLEAR IS APPLYING FOR THE ACTUAL THE FEDERAL TAX CREDIT.

I'LL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE ALL OF THAT DOCUMENTATION WILL BE THERE.

SO THAT ONE IS PROGRESSING ON LARUE ON NORTH LARUE STREET, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE FEDERAL FORMS. IT'LL MAKE IT SO CLEAR THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.

AGAIN, THIS WILL BE KIND OF A MONITORING THIS FAMILY EFFORT VERSUS SOMETHING MORE FORMAL.

SO MOST OF THESE THAT WILL COME THROUGH WITH THAT LEVEL TWO, I'LL EXPECT THE FEDERAL THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR FEDERAL TAX CREDIT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE A LEVEL TWO HISTORIC SIGN AND FACADE GRANT FOR $20,000 TO SUPPORT STRUCTURAL ROOF REPAIRS, REPAIRS TO EAVES, AND PAINTING AT 314 WEST BIRCH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WORK COMPLY WITH THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATION, AND A BUDGET MONITORED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ALL RIGHT, IT PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

IT'S A COOL HOUSE, AND WE'RE EXCITED.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

THAT FELT A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE.

[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, AND CAN WE LIKE REQUEST THAT THESE BIG GRANTS LIKE COME BACK TO US WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW PRETTY THEY LOOK? YEAH, DEFINITELY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR OBLIGATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE USING BBB, BED BEVERAGE, I NEVER KNOW IF IT'S BOOZE OR BEVERAGE OR BOARD, BUT YEAH WE'RE USING LOCALLY GENERATED TAXES ON THIS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ECONOMIC VITALITY WHO ACTUALLY HAS THE MONEY IN THE BANK.

ALL RIGHT THAT IS THE END OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS.

[7. REPORTS]

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO REPORTS, APPROVALS AND CONSULTATIONS.

ANY YOU WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR US, MARK.

SO THIS GEMINI SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

I ACTUALLY COVERED A LARGER AREA.

THERE'S NOT MANY COMMISSION MEMBERS LEFT THAT ACTUALLY REVIEWED THIS ONE, BUT IT WAS MORE COMPREHENSIVE OF A ARCHEOLOGICAL OVERVIEW OF PROPERTY ON THE MESA, AND THEN I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF MY FUTURE REVIEWS OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SUBSURFACE ARCHEOLOGY.

I ALWAYS PUT A NOTE IN THERE THAT WE CAN DO SURFACE REVIEWS, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ARCHEOLOGICAL, SUBSURFACE OR HUMAN REMAINS.

SO I'M PRETTY CAUTIOUS ON STUFF THAT HAPPENS ON THE MESA WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 314 BIRCH.

THIS ONE I ACTUALLY REVIEWED QUITE A WHILE AGO, 123 WEST BURCH AVENUE IS ACTUALLY WHERE COSMIC CYCLE IS.

YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

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THERE'S KIND OF AN INAPPROPRIATE CONJECTURE CANOPY ON THERE RIGHT NOW, AND I JUST MADE A DETERMINATION THAT THE MORE MODERN, SIMPLER CANOPY ACTUALLY IS A BETTER REVIEW OF AND USE OF THAT SITE.

SO YOU CAN SEE IF YOU AGREE OR NOT AGREE.

WHEN THEY PULL THAT DETERIORATED CANOPY OFF OF THAT BUILDING, IT'S BEEN EXTENSIVELY MODIFIED.

SO NON HISTORIC BUILDING BUT IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY SOME SIGNS.

SO IS THAT COMING DOWN JUST OVER COSMIC CYCLES OR OVER THAT WHOLE THE WHOLE THING.

OKAY. EVEN ON THE SIDE FACING WHAT IS THAT.

BIRCH AND HUMPHREYS.

YEAH. HUMPHREYS.

OKAY. YOU MOSTLY THINK OF IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED HUMPHREYS, BUT IT'S NOT.

SO YEAH IT'S ADDRESSED ON BIRCH.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH SIMPLER LINEAR LOOK TO THAT BUILDING, BUT TELL ME IF YOU THINK I MADE A MISTAKE.

YOU'RE ALWAYS ALLOWED.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY APPROVAL, BUT YOU CAN TELL ME IF I MADE A MISTAKE.

A COUPLE SIGNS AND THEN A CONSULTATION, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE SIGN REVIEWS IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY.

AGAIN, I DON'T GET TOO CONCERNED ABOUT SIGN REVIEWS UNLESS THEY IMPACT THE ARCHITECTURE OR DESTROY MATERIALS ON.

MOST OF THESE TEND TO BE FREESTANDING OR PROJECTING ON A BRACKET TYPE SIGN.

SO AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT REDOING THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND MAKING SOME OF THAT STUFF CLEAR.

SO THE TEAM IS WORKING ON THAT.

THE PLANNING STAFF IS WORKING ON SOME REVISIONS ON THAT.

I HAD ONE THING THAT WAS SHOT OUT THAT SARA DIDN'T WANT TO MENTION.

THERE IS A NATIONAL TRUST LEGACY GRANT FOR LONG TERM BUSINESSES ON ROUTE 66, SO ANY BUSINESS ON ROUTE 66 HAS KIND OF BEEN HANGING IN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, IS APPLICABLE.

I'VE POINTED THAT OUT TO THE EL PUEBLO.

I'VE POINTED IT OUT TO THE CROWN MOTEL.

HOUSING IS WORKING ON, SO I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CROWN MOTEL, AND IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY ELSE, I'LL TRY TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT THAT IT'S A SMALL NATIONAL TRUST GRANT.

OKAY. THERE IS A BUSINESS ON THAT FIRST BLOCK AND IT'S AN ASIAN LADY WHO HAS SHE SEWS WITH LIKE PENDLETON FABRICS, AND I THINK SHE DOES SOME TRADING, BUT I'M NOT SURE SHE'S BEEN THERE A REALLY LONG TIME.

IT'D BE GREAT IF SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE HER.

I'LL TRY TO FIND THAT JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

SEND ME AN EMAIL IF YOU NEED THE LINK TO THAT.

WHILE I ALREADY MENTIONED THE EL PUEBLO, I DID CONTACT THE OWNER AGAIN.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED BEFORE.

WE HAD A VISIT FROM [INAUDIBLE].

I CAN, I CAN ADD THAT QUICKLY.

I WENT TO THE SOUTH SIDE AND SHOWED THEM THE [INAUDIBLE] HOUSE.

THERE'S KIND OF A RENEWED INTEREST WHEN I WENT TO THE PRESERVATION CONFERENCE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] HOUSE.

EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE, AND THEN I THINK IT WAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE STATE PRESERVATION OFFICER HERE AND HER STAFF, THREE OF HER STAFF UP HERE.

SO I WALKED AROUND SOUTH SIDE AND SOLD SOUTH SIDE, ALSO TALKED ABOUT OUR HUGE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR AND THEN I STOLE A LOT OF TIME FROM DUFFIE ON HER TOUR, BUT WE ENDED UP GOING THROUGH TOWNSITE, SO I'LL PASS THAT ON TO YOU, DUFFIE ON PARTICULARLY THE INTEREST IN YOUR LAND TRUST MODEL.

THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN TOWNSITE CLT, AND I ALSO INCLUDE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORY.

I DO A TOUR IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED, AND IT WAS JUST GREAT TO HAVE THEM HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME [INAUDIBLE] CAME TO FLAGSTAFF, SO IT WAS REALLY AWESOME AND THEY JUST LOVED WHAT THEY WERE SEEING HERE AND THAT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING.

IT'S VERY EXCITING, AND AFTER I WENT TO THE PRESERVATION CONFERENCE, I SAID, WELL, THE ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL IS 2026 AND I THINK I CAN HANG ON LONG ENOUGH. SO I THINK WE WILL HAVE THE PRESERVATION CONFERENCE IN 2026 HERE, AND TRYING TO PULL A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ON ROUTE 66.

WE HAVE SOME ROUTE 66 MOTELS THAT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND SOME THAT ARE BEING RESTORED.

SO I THINK WE GOT A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

IT'S NOT CONFIRMED, BUT IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE THING.

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WAS I SUPPOSED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? NO I THINK YOU COVERED IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MARK, FOR YOUR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS.

[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS Presentation on Downtown Mile consultation to be held in December or January. Discuss whether there will be a quorum for December 20 commission meeting. Update on status of Proposition 207 map requested at last meeting.]

MICHELLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COVER THE REMAINING MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? YES, AND I'LL EVEN DO SO WITH MY MICROPHONE ON.

SO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE DOWNTOWN MILE CONSULTATION WILL EITHER BE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

SO IT IS FORTHCOMING, AND SPEAKING OF DECEMBER.

HOW ARE WE FEELING ABOUT MEETING ON DECEMBER 20TH? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM, AND THEN THE BONUS QUESTION IS, IF WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE'RE GOING TO MEET, DO WE WANT TO GO HAVE ADULT HOLIDAY BEVERAGES AFTERWARDS? SO I GUESS WE CAN JUST DO A ROLL.

YEAH, OR A SHOW OF HANDS.

WHO WILL BE HERE ON THE 20TH? I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M LOOKING BACK THERE.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER.

WERE YOU WAITING TO SEE WHO ELSE'S HAND WENT? [INAUDIBLE] I MAY BE OUT OF TOWN AND ON THE COMPUTER.

OKAY, YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU AREN'T GOING, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WON'T BE IN TOWN, WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE VIA ZOOM OR TEAMS? I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT MY WORK SCHEDULE FIRST FOR DECEMBER.

IT LOOKS AS THOUGH AT LEAST FOUR OF US.

SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.

OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KEEP THAT MEETING SCHEDULED, AND IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN GOING OUT AND HAVING SOME HOLIDAY CHEER AFTERWARDS? I ASK BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO, WE DO NEED TO NOTICE IT.