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[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
I'M GOING TO GO BY THE CLOCK ON THE DAIS, AND IT IS 4:03, AND WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.CHAIR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL? OH, SURE.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
HERE. DID I PRONOUNCE EVERYONE'S NAME CORRECTLY? I WASN'T ON THE LIST.
OH. WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? I'M SO BAD AT NAMES. COMMISSIONER HORN.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
COMMISSIONER BURCHAM HAS VOLUNTEERED.THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY? ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approve the minutes of the November 15, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission]
DO WE HAVE ANY NOTES OR ANYTHING ON THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH, NOVEMBER 15TH? I JUST HAD SOME THINGS THAT WERE JUST LIKE MINOR LITTLE CLARIFICATIONS AND I COULD, DO YOU WANT ME TO REALLY DO THAT OR NOT BOTHER? I MEAN, I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE RECORD.SO IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE AMENDED AND CHANGED, THEN THEY NEED TO BE ON THE RECORD.
WELL, ARE THESE MINUTES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR HISTORICAL RESEARCH? LIKE SHOULD WE CLARIFY STREET NAMES? YES, I HAVE TO.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO THEY ARE LIKE AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE RECORD.
PERHAPS IT SHOULD SAY TOMBSTONE STREET.
CAN YOU REFER TO THE SPECIFIC LIKE SECTION? AND 6A TUCSON STREET, TOMBSTONE STREET.
THEN FURTHER DOWN HE REFERS TO BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MAYBE IT'S WORTH SAYING LA PLAZA VIEJA.
THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHAT I NOTICED.
THERE'S A POINT IN THE ONE ON THE HOUSE OVER ON BIRCH WITH ROBERT BEST.
I ASKED HIS UNCLE'S NAME AND IT WASN'T RECORDED.
THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE DOING RESEARCH.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS I NOTICED.
OH, AND APPROVALS 1A THIS GEMINI SCHOOL WAS GOING TO BE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT IS IT? AS FAR AS CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES GO.
SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
ARE ALL THOSE YOUR NOTES? YES. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER? A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, IT PASSES.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC.
OH, NO. WAIT. THAT'S THE LAST AGENDA.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON ASPEN NICHE PUBLIC SPACE ART INSTALLATION.
[A. Aspen Niche Public Space/Art installation improvement PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: Between 24 W Aspen & 12 W Aspen Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-19-002 Property Owner: Qwest Corporation, Broomfield, Co - portion lease to City of Flagstaff Applicant: City of Flagstaff City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness for the development of a public space within the Downtown Overlay, submitted by the City of Flagstaff and funded by BPAC (Beautification Public Arts Commission). RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the submitted design by BPAC of the “Aspen Niche” a Public Space/Art Installation located at the south edge of Parcel Number 100-19-002.]
WE HAVE A FULL COMMISSION.I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS PROJECT, AND I HAD TO WRITE A REALLY LONG STAFF REPORT TO FIND OUT WHERE THERE WAS EVEN A MINOR SECTION TO EVALUATE THIS KIND OF PROJECT.
AND IT PRETTY MUCH COMES DOWN TO COMPATIBILITY.
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SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JANA WITH BPAC, AND SHE CAN EXPLAIN THE PROJECT AND PULL UP SOME IMAGES OF WHAT'S GOING ON.I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT FOR DOWNTOWN.
OKAY, SO FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AND, IS THE POWERPOINT SHOWING? YES. WONDERFUL.
THANK YOU. SO GREETINGS, CHAIR DALE.
VICE CHAIR DEA AND COMMISSIONERS, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU.
I'M THE BEAUTIFICATION ARTS AND SCIENCES MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
AND I'M HERE TODAY TO REQUEST AN APPROVAL FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR OUR DESIGN CONCEPT, FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE ASPEN NICHE.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, IN THIS FIRST IMAGE, JUST BEHOLD THE CENTURYLINK PROPERTY AND THE SOMEWHAT INAPPROPRIATE, CHAIN LINK FENCE. THAT IS RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, ON THIS BLOCK OF ASPEN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN LARUE AND BEAVER STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE, SANDWICHED BY THE PAY INTAKE CENTURYLINK AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ORPHEUM.
SO WE HAVE, TOOK A FEW YEARS, ACTUALLY, TO NEGOTIATE A BUSINESS LICENSE, WITH CENTURYLINK IN ORDER TO UTILIZE TO THE AREA THAT ENCOMPASSED PART OF THEIR PROPERTY THESE TWO, PARKING SPACES. SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO PUSH THE FUNDS BACK, ONE PARKING SPACE IN, I THINK AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LEAVING A, UH, ACCESS TWO ACCESS GATES, ONE FOR CARS AND ONE FOR WORKERS INTO THE CENTURYLINK PROPERTY.
UM. SO I THINK YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S SET BACK.
IT HAS A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE CENTER THAT WILL BE A MANUAL GATE.
WE KNOW FROM CENTURYLINK THAT THIS GATE IS NOT USED VERY OFTEN, SO IT WON'T THERE WON'T BE TRAFFIC, INGOING AND OUTGOING AND LIKE A STEADY STREAM EACH DAY. IT'S JUST SOME WORKERS VEHICLES ON OCCASION, YOU KNOW, THAT GO IN AND OUT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED GATE.
SO THIS IS OUR PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS LICENSE AREA, WHICH I SAID A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL WAS KIND OF THE MAIN POINT OF THE CONTENTION THAT TOOK SO LONG TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH CENTURYLINK.
BUT ESSENTIALLY A PROJECT HAS IN A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS.
SO WE'RE TAKING OUT AGAIN THE CHAIN LINK.
AND SO NOW THE FENCE WILL BE MADE OF CUT METAL AND THERE'LL BE TWO GATES.
AND AGAIN IN THE CENTER WILL BE THE VEHICLE GATE.
AND THEN ON THE VERY LEFT HAND SIDE WILL BE THE PEDESTRIAN GATE.
SO THE ELEMENTS OF THIS, CONCEPT ARE ONE IS THIS PEDESTRIAN GATE? IT WILL BE A WE'RE WORKING PRIMARILY WITH THE MATERIALS OF STEEL, AS IN, WEATHERING STEEL IS KNOWN AS CORTEN. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CUT METAL DESIGNS WILL BE.
THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, STEEL POSTS THAT WILL ALSO BE PAINTED, UH, BUT THE GATE WILL BE PRIMARILY MADE OF SLATS OF THE CORTEN STEEL.
AND THIS IS A YOU KIND OF A MATERIAL THAT HAS FIT IN REALLY WELL WITH FLAGSTAFF, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ESPECIALLY COMPATIBLE WITH A LOT OF THE BRICK BUILDINGS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO USE IT AS OUR PRIMARY MATERIAL HERE.
BUT WE DO LIKE TO ADD A FEW LITTLE SPARKS OF COLOR.
SO TWO WHICH IS THE PRIMARY DESIGN ELEMENT ARE THE STEEL PANELS AND THE PATTERN THAT YOU SEE, UM, IS A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CIRCULAR PATTERN.
IT COULD BE INTERPRETED ESPECIALLY WITH THE AQUA BLUE POSTS THAT WE'RE HAVING AS EDDIES AND WATER.
UM, IT ALSO THEN FIT WITH A BIT OF THE, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, FEEL OF THE BUSINESSES OF THE ORPHEUM AND THE PAY INTAKE AND CENTURYLINK, UH, REALLY LIKED THIS PATTERN, BECAUSE THE CUT AREAS WERE SMALL ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD NOT BE AS EASY TO PUT TRASH
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INTO THEM, UM, LIKE THE CHAIN LINK WHERE PEOPLE JUST KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW, CUPS AND, AND THINGS INTO THE FENCE. UM, SO THEY REALLY LIKED THIS PATTERN.WE ALSO, IF YOU'LL NOTICE AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S KIND OF OPEN.
AND WE FOR SECURITY REASONS, FOR POLICE, WE LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE FEET.
UM, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT ENOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, A PERSON CAN'T HIDE BUT THAT, UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THROUGH IT ENOUGH THAT WE'RE SEEING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT. WE'RE TRYING TO SCREEN THE PARKING LOT TO YOU KNOW, A GREAT EXTENT.
UM, SO THE OTHER ELEMENTS AND THIS IS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE I SENT IN THE CONCEPT TO YOU.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD KIND OF A POSSIBILITY OF SEATING, UH, WHERE NUMBER FIVE IS, BUT WE HAVE REPLACED THAT WITH BIKE RACKS, AND THAT IS COMPLETELY AT THE REQUEST OF THE THREE BUSINESSES.
UM, THEY ARE JUST CONCERNED THAT WITH A SINGLE TABLE THAT IT WOULDN'T END UP GETTING UTILIZED VERY WELL, UM, BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THAT, UM, BASICALLY A NEED FOR KIND OF A BIKE HUB IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WAS MORE NEEDED.
SO THEY THEY MADE THAT REQUEST AND WE THOUGHT THAT MADE SENSE.
AND THAT HAS CHANGED SINCE I SUBMITTED THE PACKET TO YOU.
IT DOES ADD A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SPARK, A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, ACCENTS OF COLOR.
THE GROUND PLANE AND REMEMBER, IT'S ABOUT A PARKING SPACE DEEP, WILL JUST BE PLAIN GRAY CONCRETE FOR THE DRIVEWAY. AND THAT WILL HELP DISTINGUISH THE DRIVEWAY FROM WHERE PEOPLE CAN BIKE PARK THEIR BIKES.
AND THAT WAS TO MATCH THE PAVERS THAT ARE UBIQUITOUS AROUND THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS, THAT STAMPED CONCRETE IS GOING TO WORK.
UM, AND THERE'S REASONS THAT, UM, PARKS AND STREETS WANT US TO MOVE AWAY FROM PAVERS BECAUSE THEY'VE BECOME TRIPPING HAZARDS AND VERY UNEVEN OVER TIME. SO IT MAY END UP BEING A COLORED CONCRETE WITH A 1 FOOT DIAMOND SOFT CUT PATTERN.
I JUST RECENTLY TOOK A TOUR WITH LOVE AND CONTRACTING, UP TO THE FLAGSTAFF HEALTH CENTER AND SAW WHAT THEIR STAMPED CONCRETE LOOKED LIKE AFTER, YOU KNOW, TEN, 15 YEARS.
AND IT DID NOT HOLD UP VERY WELL.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS KIND OF PATTERN ANYWAY, WE MIGHT JUST GO TO A VERY NICE BROOM BRUSH FINISH, COLORED CONCRETE INSTEAD OF THE STAMPED CONCRETE.
AND THAT IS IT HELPED LIGHTEN THE FEEL OF THE CUT METAL FENCE.
AND WE'RE JUST WE MAY BE ASKED FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS TO REPLACE THAT WITH, AGAIN, THE CORTEN WEATHERING STEEL, UH, SLATS INSTEAD. UM, BUT IF WE CAN GET A MAINTENANCE PLAN IN PLACE FOR MY, UH, PROGRAM, UM, TO OIL THE WOOD ONCE A YEAR WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THE WOOD.
SO THAT'S, UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE BASIC CONCEPT, BUT I ALSO WANT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE CORTEN STEEL, THE WEATHERING STEEL THAT RUSTS OVER TIME REALLY FITS IN WITH THE BRICK AND THE THE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I KIND OF WANTED TO SHOW THOSE TO YOU.
I'M SORRY I CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN WHEN I PRESENT.
OKAY. UM, SO THESE ARE TWO PROJECTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
ONE IS AT THE COURTHOUSE, UM, ON BEAVER STREET, AND CHERRY AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS AT THE MAIN LIBRARY. AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN WHERE WE WORKED WITH THE CORTEN WEATHERING STEEL, HOW WELL IT GOES WITH THE BRICK.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE DID THESE POPS, POPS OF COLOR.
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AND WE DID THE SAME AT THE LIBRARY.UM, THESE METAL PIECES ALONG THE WALKWAY AND THE RAIL WILL RUST OVER TIME.
THEY WILL TURN THE CORTEN, BUT ALSO THE MALAPAI STONE ALSO KIND OF HAS THOSE BROWN TONES.
SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD FROM THE HPAC PERSPECTIVE? I DID WRITE THE STAFF REPORT WITH TWO OPTIONS.
THOSE WERE DISCUSSED, AND I THINK IT LANDED ON THE ON THE DESIGN THAT I THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE.
SO I THINK THE SWIRLS ARE BICYCLE TIRES MOVING AROUND NOW.
SO BUT I THINK IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE.
I DO THINK IT MEETS THE COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S PRETTY HARD TO FIND WITHIN YOU KNOW, OUR HERITAGE PRESERVATION SECTION BECAUSE IT TALKS ALWAYS ABOUT BUILDINGS SO.
GREAT. AND I'M SORRY, I DID KIND OF SKIP OVER THAT PART.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SHOWN THAT WE HAD TWO DESIGNS.
UM, WE SHOWED THEM TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, WE SHOWED THEM TO THE EXPANDED RIGHT OF WAY GROUP FOR THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, CAME TOGETHER AS PART OF THE PANDEMIC AND, YOU KNOW, PUT THE DOWNTOWN FLOWERS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT GO DOWNTOWN.
SO WE DID GET INPUT AND SOME DID LIKE THE OTHER DESIGN IDEAS.
UM, BUT, UM, ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND BPAC RECOMMENDED THIS DESIGN.
ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE DESIGN.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU CONSIDERED IMAGERY ON THE PANELS TAKEN FROM THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR HAS MEDITERRANEAN MOTIFS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING PATTERNS AND IMAGERY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED.
NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE PERSONALLY, BUT I THINK FOR THE DOWNTOWN IT WOULD LOOK BETTER.
SOMETHING FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
WELL, WE HAD CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS.
WE NEEDED ONE THAT WAS, UM, ACTUALLY NOT CUSTOM.
SO, UH, WE DID LOOK AT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY MEDITERRANEAN, SOME OTHER PATTERNS.
PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY LOOKED TOO TROPICAL AND TOO OUT OF PLACE.
OR AT LEAST THAT WAS BPAC'S OPINION.
UM, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT THE LARGEST, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS.
UM, SO, NO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU WANT YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING IF YOU MIMIC SOMETHING, UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF, IT CAN CAUSE MORE CONSTERNATION THAN IF YOU KIND OF DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN THE AREA BUT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, THE SAME.
BUT IT WAS MOSTLY FOR COST THAT WE NEEDED TO KIND OF GO TO SOME SET DESIGNS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE KIND OF OFF THE SHELF DESIGNS THAT WE LOOKED AT RATHER THAN MAKING A CUSTOM ONE.
THERE WAS CERTAINLY BUDGET CONCERNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE THREE BUSINESS OWNERS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT THEY LIKED SO THE MOST.
[LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST BECAUSE I'M BAD AT PERSPECTIVE, IS THE MIDDLE PANEL LOWER OR FURTHER BACK? YEAH, IT IS LOWER.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT SIZE BECAUSE THAT'S THE GATE.
SO THE THAT GATE WILL ROLL, YOU KNOW BEHIND THE OTHER PANELS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK BUT NOT MUCH.
OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS LOWER BECAUSE IT WAS DEPTH OR.
NO. NO. SO THE OTHER PANELS ARE NINE FOOT HIGH AND THAT IS SIX FOOT HIGH.
[INAUDIBLE] TWO PEOPLE WERE SLIGHTLY CONFUSED THAT IT WAS A MUTED TONE, BUT IT'S ON THAT LOWER LEFT.
IT'S YES, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOLID.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE WITH THAT RUSTED.
RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, OVER HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE, UH, WHEN THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, IT HAD ONLY BEEN LIKE TWO MONTHS.
UH, IF YOU GO BY NOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THAT SOLID RUST COLOR? SO THAT'S THE COLOR OF THE FENCE WILL END UP BEING.
AND THIS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A CUT METAL DESIGN.
ALTHOUGH A DIFFERENT KIND THAN THE REPEATABLE PATTERN, THIS ONE IS CUSTOM.
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COMMISSIONER HAYES, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE YOU OUT IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A REQUESTED ACTION AND A RECOMMENDED ACTION, WHICH IS POTENTIAL MOTION.
YOU WOULD LIKE US TO READ THE RECOMMENDED ACTION AS THE MOTION.
RECOMMENDED. OKAY. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THE MOTIONS.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SUBMITTED DESIGN BY BPAC OF THE ASPEN NICHE, A PUBLIC SPACE/ART INSTALLATION LOCATED AT THE SOUTH EDGE OF PARCEL NUMBER 100-19-002.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HOORAY IT WILL BE SO PRETTY.
DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR IT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND I DO WELCOME THE COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THIS? OH, WE ARE GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN APRIL, AND I THINK IT'LL TAKE ABOUT A MONTH TO DO SO.
I'VE BEEN GIVEN APRIL 24TH TO MAY 24TH IN THE SCHEDULE BY THE CONTRACTOR.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR GENERAL BUSINESS.
[A. Rio de Flag Flood Control Project Update Listen to the presentation and ask questions relevant to historic preservation and archeological compliance.]
WE HAVE A UPDATE ON THE RIO DE FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT.MADAM CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO HAVE THE COMMISSION UPDATED ON THE RIO DE FLAG PROJECT.
IT'S A VERY EXTENSIVE OF RECHANNELIZATION OF THE RIO DE FLAG OUT OF THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE IT WAS PLACED, CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PROBLEM IN THAT AREA.
IT IS GOING TO BE RECHANNELIZED, PRETTY MUCH PARALLELING THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND ENDING UP WHERE IT USED TO BE. UH, PART OF THE WORK IS OPEN FURTHER TO THE EAST, AND WHEN YOU GET TO ABOUT LONE TREE, IT ALL GOES INTO A BOX CULVERT.
THAT WHOLE PROJECT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE BY THE DEPOT.
UH, THERE'S A REACH THAT GOES UP THE FRANCES SHORT POND.
THERE'S A REACH THAT GOES, UH, OUT ALONG MIKE'S PIKE AND OUT INTO THAT DRAINAGE PATTERN.
UH, THERE WERE RAILROAD RESOURCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE DESTROYED.
THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WHICH WAS ARIZONA PACIFIC, AND THEN ALSO A LOADING DOCK NEAR THE DEPOT.
AND THERE IS INTERPRETATION PLANNED FOR THAT IS TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
AND THEN JUST A I WANTED THE CORPS TO DISCUSS THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, SOME POTENTIAL ACTIONS AS FAR AS ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES ALONG THAT WHOLE AREA.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES IN OUR DRAINAGE PATTERNS.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL O'HARA, WHO IS THE CULTURAL RESOURCE EXPERT FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
HI. UM, THIS IS MICHAEL O'HARA WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE, CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN TO SHOW THE MAP, THE OVERALL APP FOR THE PROJECT? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
CAN YOU SEE THIS MAP? YES. YES. THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO, AS MARK INDICATED, THE PROJECT BEGINS UP ABOVE THORPE PARK, THROUGH OLD TOWN AREA DOWN ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RAILROAD.
AND ALREADY COMPLETED PROJECT COMPONENT IS THE CLAY UH AVENUE RETENTION BASIN, WHICH IS OFF THE MAP TO THE WEST. UM, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER COMPONENTS ALONG CLAY WASH AND ALONG MIKE'S PIKE.
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EFFECTS FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES.AND THERE'S FOUR RESOURCES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.
THE ARIZONA MINERAL BELT RAILROAD TRESTLE, THAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN TRESTLE JUST SOUTH OF THE DEPOT, AND A LOADING DOCK IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
LET ME SEE WHAT THE OTHERS WERE.
SOME OF THE PNSF AMP CORRIDOR.
CAN I FIND THE RIGHT PROJECT? RIGHT. HERE WE GO.
THE ARIZONA MINERAL BELT RAILWAY TRESTLE, A PORTION OF THE FORMER ATLANTIC PACIFIC RAILROAD, AND A TIMBER RETAINING WALL POSSIBLE LOADING, HISTORIC LOADING DOCK AND ORIGINAL TRACK SPURS.
SO TO MITIGATE THE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THOSE RESOURCES, THE MOA CALLS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF INTERPRETIVE PANELS AND THROUGH DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE CORPS AND SHIPPO AND MARK AND THE CITY.
UH, THE. IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THREE PANELS WILL BE PLACED ON THE PHOENIX AVENUE BRIDGE.
UM, ONE PANEL WILL BE PLACED IN THE GANDY DANCER PARK, AND THE PANELS WILL FOCUS ON THE HISTORY OF THE RAILROAD AND THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GREW UP AROUND THE RAILROAD, PARTICULARLY THE SOUTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE HAS BEEN ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE RECHANNELING OF THE RIO DE FLAG AND WILL BE BENEFITING FROM THE REALIGNMENT BACK TO THE HISTORIC PRE THE HISTORIC CHANNEL BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. AND A PANEL THAT WILL DISCUSS THE CORPS EFFORTS AND THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE DRAINAGE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE EFFECTS OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE RIGHT NOW WORKING ON A SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE PANELS TO BE PRODUCED AND W E'RE HOPING THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE TIED IN WITH THE THE INSTALLATION OF THEM WILL BE TIED IN WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE NEED TO WORK OUT WITH, THE CITY AND SHIPPO, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL MOA CALLED FOR THEM TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EXECUTION OF THE MOA.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE MOA IF YOU'RE STILL ON THE APE MAP.
UM, THE MOA HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING TO OCCUR BETWEEN STATION 61 AND 3350, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE WHOLE STRETCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT THAT PARALLELS THE RAILROAD, WHERE THERE IS A SENSITIVITY FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UM, AND THERE IS A SPECIFIC STIPULATION FOR TREATMENT OF CULTURAL REMAINS OF NATIVE AMERICAN ORIGIN. I THINK IT'S A REALLY LOW LIKELIHOOD THAT THESE COULD BE ENCOUNTERED, BECAUSE OF THE APE BEING LARGELY RESTRICTED TO THE, UM, ACTIVE CHANNEL AND THE ENGINEERED CHANNEL, UM, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN AFFECTED BY WATER FLOW FOR MANY DECADES.
AND WE HAVE A STIPULATION FOR, UM, DISCOVERIES IN UNANTICIPATED EFFECTS WITH PROTOCOLS FOR NOTIFYING THE CORPS AND INCORPORATING SHIPPO AND TRIBES ON CONSULTATION OF ANY, UM, RESOURCES THAT MAY BE ENCOUNTERED DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE SURVEY ACTIVITY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH I HAVE A QUESTION, MICHAEL? WERE THERE OTHER HISTORIC PROPERTIES WITHIN THE APE THAT EITHER WEREN'T ELIGIBLE OR WEREN'T AFFECTED? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE INELIGIBLE PROPERTIES.
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UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S IDENTIFIED PROPERTIES.I THINK THE MAP IS BACK UP FOR REVIEW.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES HERE JUST WEST OF, UM, FIVE POINTS.
AND THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES UP ALONG THIS STRETCH OF THE RIO DE FLAG WHERE WE HAVE, UM, SPECIFIC AVOIDANCE MEASURES, UH, WHERE THERE ARE, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES. WILL THERE BE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITOR DURING CONSTRUCTION IN THOSE SECTIONS AS WELL? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I THINK THE MONITORING IS SPECIFIC TO THIS STRETCH, BUT THERE ARE AVOIDANCE MEASURES, AND THERE ARE YOU KNOW QUALITY ASSURANCE TO ASSURE THAT THE AVOIDANCE MEASURES ARE FOLLOWED.
IN THESE AREAS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE, VIBRATION MONITORS ON CERTAIN BUILDINGS, AND THERE ARE ALSO ELEVATION MONITORS THAT ARE GOING TO BE USED TO MEASURE ANY CHANGES.
BUT I CAN'T RECOLLECT WHICH PROPERTIES THOSE ARE.
OKAY, THANKS. I HAD ONE OTHER.
I INHERITED THIS PROJECT, WHEN ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES MOVED ON TO THE AIR FORCE.
SO I'M STILL GETTING UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES.
NO PROBLEM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
THANKS FOR THAT. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR MARK AND THE CITY, BUT I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF ANY KIND OF LIKE MITIGATION OF THE OLD CHANNEL THAT USED TO RUN THROUGH SOUTH SIDE IS GOING TO OCCUR AFTER THIS? YEAH. COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT'S KIND OF WHY I RECOMMENDED THAT LOCATION, BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHANGE POINT OF WHERE THE RAIL WAS DIVERTED INTO THE SOUTH SIDE.
AGAIN, IT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TELL YOU ABOUT THAT COLLISION OF DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PUBLIC SPACE THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT.
THEY'RE REBUILT. THEY'RE DOING THE NEW BUILDING NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO REDO THE BUS TRANSFER, AND THEN THERE'S A PUBLIC SPACE PLANNED.
AND THE RIO DE FLAG DOES A GIANT SWEEP THROUGH THAT AREA AS WELL.
AND THEN NOT TO CONFUSE ANYTHING ANYMORE, BUT THE DOWNTOWN MILE PROJECT THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT, WHICH IS A THIRD TRACK, ADDED PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASSES, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS COMING TOGETHER THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT TO OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES.
SO JUST BEING INFORMED OF THAT SO YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THERE'S ONE LITTLE TINY SEGMENT ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S ORIGINAL.
BUT I DID MANAGE TO TALK ENGINEERING INTO MAKING AN IDENTICAL CONCRETE RAILING, THAT IS TYPICAL ROUTE 66, AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONGOING EFFORT TO DO ALL THE GREEN BOOK MOTELS ALONG THE ORIGINAL SEGMENT OF ROUTE 66.
SO THAT'S AN EFFORT THAT'S BEING LED BY RICARDO GUTHRIE.
SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE END UP WITH PRODUCTS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO US IN OUR PROGRAM.
SO. I WOULD LIKE TO, MICHAEL, ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR MAP.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT SALMON COLOR AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE DRAINAGES.
BUT THAT'S THAT IS THE AREA OF POTENTIAL EFFECT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THE PROJECT ACTIVITIES WILL BE OCCURRING.
SO IS THAT CITY HALL, THOSE TWO BLOCKS JUST NORTH OF 66.
DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M REFERRING TO? WHERE IT MAKES THE 90 DEGREE TURN? AND JUST NORTH OR TWO BLOCKS.
I THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THOSE ARE STAGING AREAS.
IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN ZOOM IN? YEAH. IS THAT RUNNING UP? SITGREAVES OR HUMPHREYS, I CAN'T TELL.
SO YEAH, THERE'S CITY HALL THERE WHERE IT'S FOLLOWING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE HERE.
AND I BELIEVE THESE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED FOR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION, EASEMENT AND STAGING AREAS.
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BUT I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS.HOW COULD WE SEE WHAT THOSE ARE? THAT IS SITGREAVES THE VERTICAL THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
AND THEN IT DOES GO THROUGH TOWNSITE, IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.
[LAUGHTER] OF COURSE I CARE ABOUT THAT.
I CARE ABOUT ALL OF IT. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STAGING AREA WOULD BE OTHER THAN CITY HALL, PARKING LOT OR FEDERATED CHURCH. I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND SPACE.
IT MAY BE THAT ACTUALLY IT MAY NOT BE THAT THERE'S STAGING AREAS THERE, BUT THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE AREA POTENTIAL EFFECTS BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY VISUAL IMPACTS OR NOISE IMPACTS. I'M NOT SURE.
WILL THOSE PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES BE CONTACTED IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE? YES. AND I BELIEVE ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE WAY ALONG THE ROUTE HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED.
MARK, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HAS THIS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION BEFORE AND I'VE FORGOTTEN.
AND IS IT GOING TO COME BACK AGAIN LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO GET A FINAL REPORT FOR APPROVAL LIKE WE DO SOMETIMES WITH THESE THINGS? YEAH, USUALLY ON SECTION 106 WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT AND THEIR CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES AND ALL THAT ARE WAY BEYOND ANY OF OUR REQUIREMENTS WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE.
SO BUT I DO THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, AND IT DOES, UH, DIRECTLY IMPACT ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS.
AND IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO I DO WANT TO KEEP THE HPC INFORMED OF EVERYTHING GOING ON.
SO. I THINK THERE NEED TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
PEOPLE JUST NEED TO BE INFORMED.
I IMAGINE THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMISSION, HOWEVER.
THAT IS SOMETHING MARK COULD DO, IS TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS.
THAT OTHER HAT I WEAR IS NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNER.
YES. THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IN PLANNING FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, SO I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN MANY ROUNDS OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
COMMISSIONER HORN. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT I DO RECOLLECT THIS COMING TO THE COMMISSION.
SO, YEAH, THE YEARS ARE PASSING QUICKLY.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY.
I THINK MY OTHER QUESTION WAS JUST THE TIMELINE ON THIS.
WHAT'S KIND OF THE ANTICIPATED START DATE FOR CONSTRUCTION? IF THERE IS ONE.
WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING ALL OF THE CONTRACTING SPECIFICATIONS AND NAILING DOWN ALL THE REAL ESTATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A START DATE.
THERE ARE PAGES AND PAGES OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SECTION.
YOU KNOW, CUT LINE BY CUT LINE IF YOU WANT TO OBSERVE THAT.
I HAD A QUICK QUESTION IN REGARDS TO WHEN YOU DO START THIS PROJECT, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT AREA WOULD YOU START FIRST? WOULD IT BE NORTH OF THE TRACKS OR? NO.
SO THAT CHANNEL WILL BE REDEFINED AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE LITTLE BITES ALL THE WAY UP.
AND THEN WEST AND THROUGH AND FIRST REACH PRETTY MUCH STOPS RIGHT THERE AT BEAVER.
AND THEN THE REACHES GO UP FURTHER.
SO I USE THE OLD JOKE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT? ONE BITE AT A TIME. THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO GO.
THANK YOU. MARK SAYING IT'S GOING TO START AT THIS END AND WORK THEIR WAY UP TO THE JUNCTURE.
THERE MAY BE SOME ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN ADVANCE OF, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS SITE PREPARATION
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, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO LARGELY PROGRESS FROM EAST TO WEST AND THEN TO THE NORTH AND SOUTHWEST.AND THEN KIND OF COORDINATED BETWEEN PROJECTS OF THE RIGHT BY CITY HALL AND THE ABILITY TO GO UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS SAFELY WITH THE FUTS AND CONNECT BACK INTO THE SOUTH, WHICH WILL BE REALLY NEAT.
SO THAT'LL CONNECT THE TWO SIDES OF THE TRACK, WHICH WILL BE REALLY NICE TOO.
SO WE'LL GET LA PLAZA VIEJA CONNECTED TO THE NORTH.
NOT PART OF THE REAL, BUT STILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE UPDATE.
CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT CHRISTINE CAMERON, WHO'S ON LINE, HAD HER HAND UP.
AS FAR AS THE TIMING ON THE PROJECT, WE ARE ANTICIPATING A LATE 2024 CONSTRUCTION START.
THIS IS STILL IN A LITTLE BIT OF FLUX.
WE'RE TRYING TO FINISH UP OUR REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION AND GET THE PLANS ALL ALL TIED UP WITH THE ARMY CORPS, BUT THAT HAS BEEN OUR GOAL IS TO BREAK GROUND, UH, BY THE END OF 2024.
THAT'S RIGHT WHERE LIKE WARNER'S NURSERY IS ON BUTLER AND THEN IT WILL BE, UM, GOING TOWARDS THE WEST, UM, THROUGH THE BNSF CORRIDOR AND INTO DOWNTOWN. AND THIS IS OUR PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IT WILL HIT, THE PHOENIX AVENUE, UM, PARKING LOT, WHICH IS WHERE THE NEW DCC SITE IS GOING.
AND THEN WE WILL GO, UM, FURTHER TO THE WEST, UH, DOWN MIKE'S PIKE, UM, OUT TO CLAY WASH.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT IS, UM, KIND OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PLAN TO START AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO START AND GO IN, UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE OUTREACH, WE'RE GOING TO AS SOON AS THE CORPS CONTRACTOR IS ON BOARD, WE DO PLAN ON THE CORPS AND THEIR CONTRACTOR COMING INTO TOWN AND DOING A PUBLIC MEETING AND KIND OF, UM, TALKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION, PHASING AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT I CAN TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ALSO.
AND I THINK MY COROLLARY QUESTION IS HOW LONG WILL CONSTRUCTION TAKE FOR ALL THE PHASES? FOR PHASE ONE.
WE BELIEVE IT'LL TAKE ABOUT 3 TO 4 YEARS.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW CONSTRUCTION GOES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ROCK EXCAVATION IN ORDER TO PUT THAT UNDERGROUND CONCRETE BOX CULVERT IN, AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CONTRACTOR KIND OF PROCEEDS WITH THAT.
WE'RE ALSO COORDINATING AROUND THE LONE TREE OVERPASS.
AND SO THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASING OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS, MAY, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LEND ITSELF TO THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE ARE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT 3 TO 4 YEARS FOR PHASE ONE.
THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE, FOR THAT.
ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE DRAFT DOWNTOWN VISION AND ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
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CHAIR TERRY MADEKSZA WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IS ONLINE, AND SHE'LL BE DOING THAT PRESENTATION FOR US THIS EVENING.GOOD NEWS. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO SHARE.
IF I CAN TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN AND SEE IF THAT WORKS.
OH, YEAH. MICHAEL, SORRY I'M SO BAD AT NAMES.
CAN YOU UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN? THANK YOU. IT'S UP.
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THANK YOU. OH, PERFECT.AND AGAIN GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.
SO I WILL BEGIN WITH SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
IN DOWNTOWN, THERE IS A LEGALLY ESTABLISHED TAXING DISTRICT THAT IS VOTED ON BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, THIS IS CALLED THE FLAGSTAFF DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AND IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING WORK ON THE SOUTH SIDE? WHY ARE SOME OF THE SOUTH SIDE BUSINESSES NOT INCLUDED OR ANY, UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT? THAT'S BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT DISTRICT ARE THE ONES THAT VOTED TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL TAX, AND SO THEY ARE THE ONES THAT RECEIVE THOSE ENHANCED SERVICES.
WITHIN THE PAST ALMOST TEN YEARS, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT HAVE CONTRIBUTED AN IMPRESSIVE $1.2 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN DIRECTLY REINVESTED BACK INTO MAKING DOWNTOWN A VIBRANT DESTINATION.
WHERE THE FLAGSTAFF DOWNTOWN BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT AND REVITALIZATION DISTRICT IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SERVICES WITHIN THAT DEFINED BOUNDARY, THE DBA IS MORE PUBLIC FACING, AND WE ARE FOCUSED ON MAKING DOWNTOWN A VIBRANT AND DESIRABLE DESTINATION TO LIVE, WORK, SPEND TIME, AND INVEST.
THE TAXING DISTRICT DOES CONTRACT WITH THE DBA TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT MOVIES ON THE SQUARE, OR YOU THINK ABOUT OUR CLEAN TEAM THAT MIGHT BE OUT REMOVING GRAFFITI AND PICKING UP CINDERS, ALL OF THAT IS FUNDED BY THE WORK OF THE TAXING DISTRICT AND TAKES PLACE WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY BUILDING, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT OUR ENGAGE, OUR PROMOTION OR ENGAGEMENT OF BUSINESSES, WE FOCUS ON NORTH SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE AND WORK TO PROMOTE DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE.
SO NOW ON TO THE DOWNTOWN VISION.
THIS HAS BEEN UNDERWAY FOR SOME TIME.
WE DID HAVE SOME DELAYS DUE TO COVID AND SOME STAFF TRANSITION, BUT NOW WE'RE BACK AT IT AND THERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT BEING PUT INTO GETTING THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE.
THE PROCESS BEGAN A WHILE AGO BACK IN 2018.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS IN THE SPACE OF ABOUT A WEEK, I HEARD ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WERE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE WAS ANY CONVERSATION WITH DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS, CERTAINLY NOT WITH THE DBA OR OR AMONGST THEMSELVES.
AND IT JUST FELT LIKE THESE PROJECTS WERE HAPPENING IN SILOS.
WE HAD, THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, WE HAD THE MUNICIPAL COURTHOUSE, WE HAD THE COUNTY, ALL OF THESE, DEVELOPMENTS OR IN THE CASE OF THE COUNTY, WE HAD THE JOINT COURTHOUSE THAT WAS VOTED ON IN AN ELECTION BACK IN I THINK IT WAS 2016.
ALL OF THESE THINGS SEEMED TO BE HAPPENING TO US AND NOT WITH US.
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DOWNTOWN, HOW PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE DONE DOWNTOWN, THE TYPE OF COMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS.WE WANTED TO HAVE A SHARED VISION, UM, FOR HOW DOWNTOWN EVOLVES.
SO OUR FUNDING PARTNERS INCLUDED THE CITY, THE COUNTY, MOUNTAIN LINE AND THE DBA.
WE DID GO THROUGH A COMPETITIVE PROCESS, BUT WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE GOT SOMEBODY THAT FOCUSED ON DOWNTOWN. WE DIDN'T WANT NECESSARILY A LARGE PLANNING FIRM THAT YOU KNOW, JUST DID PLANNING WORK.
WE WANTED SOMEBODY WHO HAD EXPERTISE IN DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY AND WHO HAD DONE WORK IN DOWNTOWNS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO THIS PROJECT WAS AWARDED TO PROGRESSIVE URBAN MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATES THEY'RE VERY WELL KNOWN WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN INDUSTRY.
I THINK THEY BRING A LOT OF EXPERTISE TO OUR PROJECT.
AND I'M ANXIOUS AND EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ EVERYTHING ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I WILL HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF OUR KEY GOALS.
ONE WAS TO GET A MARKET BASED VISION.
SO WHEN WE DID HAVE PEOPLE COMING INTO DOWNTOWN, WE COULD SPEAK WITH SOME DATA AND SOME KNOWLEDGE TO SAY COLLECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO SEE DOWNTOWN.
SO PROJECTS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN.
WE COULD SAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS DATA HOTEL ROOMS ARE NEEDED OR HOUSING UNITS ARE NEEDED, OR WE'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MORE WALKABILITY.
WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME DATA THAT BACKED UP WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN DOWNTOWN.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT COMPARABLE CITIES, UM, TO LOOK AT HOUSING, TO LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT, TO LOOK AT RESTAURANTS AND SERVICES.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO DO PROJECTS IN DOWNTOWN.
THE OTHER THING WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I'LL SHARE THIS MORE WITH YOU IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, IS WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE PROTECTIONS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE CORP.
AND IF THERE'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE SITES AND TRY TO HELP STEER TOWARDS MAYBE SOME HOUSING OR, UM, THINGS THAT ADD TO THE DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE AND THE DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TIE INTO CARBON NEUTRALITY.
UH, THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN AND THE DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, RESULTING IN A WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
WE WANT TO FOCUS MORE ON PUBLIC SPACE ACTIVATION AND ENCOURAGE MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT.
SO A GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR US IS TO HAVE A CALL TO ACTION.
LIKE I MENTIONED, IT HAS BEEN FEELING LIKE DECISIONS ARE HAPPENING TO US, NOT NECESSARILY WITH US.
AND WE WANT THROUGH THIS PLAN, AND OUR PARTNERS AND THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP STEER DOWNTOWN'S EVOLUTION AND NOT JUST REACT TO IT.
WE DO WANT, LIKE I MENTIONED, TO BUILD UPON EXISTING PLANS.
EACH OF THESE PLANS HELPED INFLUENCE THE DOWNTOWN VISION, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT THE DOWNTOWN VISION WILL BE INTEGRAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 2045 REGIONAL PLAN, AND THIS PLAN DOES HIGHLIGHT SOME CATALYTIC OPPORTUNITY SITES ON THE PERIMETER OF DOWNTOWN WHERE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR.
SO HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, WE GOT TO WORK.
AND SO IT SORT OF WE HAD TO PIVOT QUICKLY TO FOCUS ON SUPPORTING OUR, OUR BUSINESSES, SUPPORTING OUR LOCALLY OWNED STOREFRONT BUSINESSES, HELPING, YOU KNOW, FIND A WAY FOR DOWNTOWN TO STAY RELEVANT FOR US TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF STABILITY AND TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES OPERATE SAFELY.
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SO WE LOOKED AT EXPANDED USE OF RIGHTS OF WAY, AND WE FOUND THAT IT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.UM, WE CLOSED ASPEN ALLEY DURING THE SUMMER, IN THE FALL, AND THAT ACTUALLY IS IN PLACE STILL TODAY.
WE HAVE ARTISTS THAT UTILIZE THAT ALLEY.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY'S BEAUTIFICATION TEAM FOR SOME, UM, BEAUTIFICATION ELEMENTS LIKE PLANTERS AND, UM, UTILITY BOX WRAPS TO REALLY MAKE IT A COMFORTABLE PLACE.
WE HAVE ALSO CONTINUED TO FOCUS ON HERITAGE SQUARE.
UM, BOTH IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE GAZEBOS WITH NEW PICNIC TABLES.
WE HAVE OUR BISTRO SETS THAT WE SET OUT AGAIN THROUGH BEAUTIFICATION.
WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL FLOWERS AND WINE BARRELS.
AND SO HERITAGE SQUARE HAS JUST BECOME A REALLY COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE.
AND WITH THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THE DBA THEN HAS COME IN AND WE NOW PROGRAM ACTIVITY.
UM, WE'VE GONE FROM HAVING 15 EVENT DAYS TO NOW.
WE HAVE MORE THAN 165 EVENT DAYS.
SO REALLY TRYING TO UTILIZE OUR PUBLIC SPACES IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN HAD BEEN UTILIZED BEFORE.
SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE USES THAT WE HAD TO PUT IN PLACE QUICKLY DUE TO COVID, AND WE FOUND SUCCESS IN THIS.
AND SO MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE STILL IN PLACE TODAY.
ALSO DURING THIS TIME, GROUP MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY INDOOR GROUP MEETINGS WERE NOT TAKING PLACE.
AND I REALIZE THIS IS THREE YEARS OLD AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING AN UPDATED SURVEY, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THE RESPONSES ARE SIGNIFICANT, AND I'M IMAGINING THAT THEY WILL PRETTY MUCH HOLD TRUE TODAY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RESULTS FROM THE SURVEY THAT'S UNDERWAY. NOW, UM, WE SEE THAT RESPONDENTS VALUE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THEY WANT TO SEE THAT MAINTAINED. THEY WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE MORE WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE WITH EXPANDED BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE VACANT SITES REDEVELOPED WHERE APPROPRIATE.
AND THE PARKING EXPERIENCE IMPROVED.
THIS JUST MEANS WE'VE GOT TO BE SMART, AND WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWNTOWN IN VEHICLES, AND WE'VE GOT TO BETTER MANAGE THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
SO PEOPLE AREN'T CIRCLING AND CIRCLING AND CIRCLING AND THEN LEAVING.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THIS TOOK PLACE IS PARK FLAG HAS BEEN FORMED AND PARK FLAG HAS COME UP WITH A WAY TO PARK, UM, EMPLOYEES ON THE PERIMETER, UM, FREEING UP THAT IMPORTANT CORE PARKING FOR VISITORS AND GUESTS LOOKING TO UTILIZE THE BUSINESSES AND SPEND SOME MONEY.
SO SOME OF THE KEY POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
AGAIN IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE UM.
WELL, THESE ARE STILL, UM, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HELP SORT OF EDIT THIS. AND SO YOUR FEEDBACK IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THIS.
UM, BUT I WANT TO SHARE WHAT WE HAVE AS SOME, UM, INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FIRST IS TO PROMOTE DOWNTOWN AS THE HUB OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND INNOVATION.
WE KNOW THAT AS DOWNTOWN GOES, SO DOES THE CITY.
AND IF WE HAVE AN ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT DOWNTOWN, THE OVERALL CITY DOES BETTER.
UM, AND SO WE ARE INTRINSICALLY TIED.
AND SO A HEALTHY DOWNTOWN ALSO GIVES US A HEALTHY CITY AND VICE VERSA.
UM, SECOND IS PRESERVING AND PROTECTING THE HISTORIC CORE OF DOWNTOWN.
AS WE KNOW, THIS IS CRUCIAL TO THE FIBER, OF DOWNTOWN AND THE CITY.
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UM, ENSURE THE CITY'S CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN IS WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF THE DOWNTOWN VISION, WHICH I THINK IT IS.UM, WE THINK OF DOWNTOWN AS A GREAT PLACE FOR HOUSING.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT DOWNTOWN IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
AND SO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, UM, APPROPRIATE HOUSING, THAT DOWNTOWN IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
UM, WE HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
WE HAVE ACCESS TO RESTAURANTS, UM, AND RETAIL.
AND SO WE CAN PROMOTE A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN.
WE DID DO THAT MARKET ASSESSMENT THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES, LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK IS HOUSING.
WE KNOW THAT HOUSING IS CRUCIAL.
WE CAN'T RELY ON PEOPLE DRIVING 20 OR 30 MINUTES INTO DOWNTOWN.
WE NEED OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND DOWNTOWN.
UM, HAVING THOSE RESIDENTS AS CONSIDERED TO BE OUR LOCALS.
UM. ADDITIONAL EMPLOYMENT IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
DOWNTOWN IS CLEARLY THOUGHT OF AS A VISITOR DESTINATION.
HOWEVER, DOWNTOWN SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS A PLACE FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND BUSINESS.
THAT IS ONE DYNAMIC THAT MAKES OUR DOWNTOWN UNIQUE AND AUTHENTIC.
UM, BUT FOR DOWNTOWN TO BECOME A TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE SHOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE IN A SMALL, MAYBE URBAN GROCERY OR DRUGSTORE AND OTHER AMENITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND THESE ARE FOR PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
IT COULD BE RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTH SIDE TOWNSITE JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE, UM, IMPORTANT SERVICES OR PRODUCTS.
AND BEING ABLE TO WALK, I THINK, IS REALLY KEY TO BUILDING A TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON EXPANDING PUBLIC ART, CONTINUING, OUR FREE FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENTS, COMMUNITY CELEBRATIONS LIKE WINTER WONDERLAND.
THESE ARE ALL PERFECT OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE, UM, OUR RESIDENTS.
THE VISION STATEMENT FOR DOWNTOWN IS TO ENHANCE AND CREATE A DOWNTOWN THAT IS VIBRANT, WALKABLE, HISTORIC AND ADAPTABLE, THRIVING, WELCOMING AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL.
MOST OF WHAT IS ON THIS SLIDE HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, BUT FOR OUR DOWNTOWN TO REMAIN ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT, WE KNOW OUR EFFORTS NEED TO BE ON POSITIONING DOWNTOWN AS A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR INVESTMENT, GROWING RESIDENTIAL, SUPPORTING OUR STOREFRONT ECONOMY, AND GROWING LOCAL ARTS AND CULTURAL OPPORTUNITIES. AND I WANT TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE CATALYTIC PROJECTS.
EACH OF THESE SITES ARE CURRENTLY SURFACE PARKING LOTS OR ARE UNDER DEVELOPED PARCELS.
THE FORMER MUNICIPAL COURTHOUSE SITE IS ON EVERYONE'S MIND.
IT IS CURRENTLY A SURFACE PARKING LOT IN THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN.
IT IS NOT AN IDEAL USE IN ANY WAY.
THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT IS AT THE CORNER OF ASPEN AND BEAVER.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS ROUTE 66.
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ALSO SERVES AS THE GATEWAY INTO DOWNTOWN.AND IT REALLY COULD BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, SEEING SOME PUBLIC PARKING AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, PERHAPS IT'S ON THE INSIDE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK WOULD NECESSARILY SEE.
SO HAVING SOME COMPONENT OF PUBLIC PARKING, BUT SEEING THAT TURNED INTO A MUCH MORE ACTIVE SITE.
THERE ARE THREE BANK SITES ON BIRCH THAT ARE PERFECTLY POSITIONED FOR SOMETHING LOW RISE.
WE HAVE CHASE BANK, WE HAVE NATIONAL BANK AND THEN PNC BANK.
AND YOU KNOW, THE BANKS DON'T DO THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ANYMORE.
THIS REALLY FEELS LIKE A 1970S OR 80S KIND OF PROJECT WHERE YOU HAVE A BANK SURROUNDED BY ASPHALT AND PARKING, AND I THINK WE COULD GET A MUCH BETTER USE OUT OF THOSE THREE SITES.
AND THEN THE EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN THAT INCLUDES BABBITT FORD IS SIMILARLY POSITIONED.
IT'S COMPRISED OF SEVERAL ASPHALT SURFACE LOTS.
IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF LAND IF WE WANT A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN.
AND EACH OF THESE SITES IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE CRITICAL CORE OF DOWNTOWN, IT'S NOT CAUSING A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO ADJOINING OR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THEY'RE REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT PARCELS THAT COULD SERVE AS TRANSFORMATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, THEY WANT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN TO REMAIN, AND THEY WANT TO SEE THAT PRESERVED.
THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PLAN THAT PROTECT OUR HISTORY, AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH MICHELLE AND MARK AND SARAH TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THIS PLAN ADDRESSES THAT.
UM, AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT PUBLIC SPACES IN A DIFFERENT AND CREATIVE WAY.
I THINK THERE'S MORE FOR US TO DO.
UH, FOCUSING ON INFRASTRUCTURE, ALLEY IMPROVEMENTS, OUR TREE WELLS.
UM, AND MANY OF THOSE ENHANCEMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE DOWNTOWN VISION AS ACTION ITEMS. AND THEN FINALLY, MOBILITY, WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWNS, UM, THOSE DOWNTOWNS ARE ONES THAT ARE WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE WITH A STRONG PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM.
THIS PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR THE NEED TO HAVE, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT PARKING MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE THAT LONG TERM PARKERS ARE PARKING IN AREAS WHERE APPROPRIATE ON THE PERIMETER OF DOWNTOWN.
UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE LOT AT THE FORMER SAINT MARY'S SITE, AND THAT IS FREEING UP PARKING IN THE CORE FOR CUSTOMERS AND THOSE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE BUSINESSES.
AND THEN, UM, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PARK ONCE AND WALK.
UM, AND SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? THE DRAFT PLAN AND ASSOCIATED SURVEY ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND INTENDED FOR BROAD DISTRIBUTION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM CITY STAFF, COMMISSIONERS, PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AND RESIDENTS. ONCE THAT FEEDBACK IS RECEIVED, WE WILL WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM TO COMPLETE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, AND FUNDING SOURCES.
THAT IS ALL STILL TO COME, AND OUR HOPE IS TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY AND IF WE ARE READY TO ASK FOR APPROVAL. UM, THERE'S JUST ONE NOTE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SHARE.
AND THAT IS TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A DBA LED PLAN.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADOPTION.
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AND, IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCESS BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING BEING LED BY THE DBA, NOT NOT A PUBLIC OR A CITY PROCESS.AND WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT'S PLANNED AND YOUR VISION FOR DOWNTOWN.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS KIND OF HOW SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU PLANNING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OR DO HERITAGE PRESERVATION OF THE DOWNTOWN? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY TURN THIS OVER FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM MICHELLE AND MARK.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE.
UM, OUR VISION IS TO SEE THE AREAS ON SPECIFICALLY SAN FRANCISCO, ASPEN, LARUE, SORT OF THAT CORE AREA BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED, AND THEN FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON ANY TYPE OF INVESTMENT TO WHERE WE HAVE SURFACE PARKING LOTS THAT'S ON THE PERIMETER.
UM, THERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ACTION PLAN THAT ADDRESS THIS THROUGH OVERLAYS AND ZONING THAT MICHELLE AND MARK HAVE ACTUALLY HELPED WITH.
SO I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER AND ASK THEM TO SHARE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WITH YOU.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? I CAN'T SEE SO, MARK, MICHELLE, IS THAT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO ADD TO WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. TERRY. THANK YOU.
UM, AND, AMY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THE QUESTION CORRECTLY.
IT'S HOW SERIOUS IS THIS PLAN BEING AT PROMOTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION? WELL, HOW SPECIFICALLY? SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW THAT'S BEING DONE? AND, MARK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE I'M PULLING UP THE PLAN RIGHT NOW AND I CAN PULL UP THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BECAUSE THERE IS A FEW VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.
TERRY DID A GREAT JOB KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT IT IS REALLY SPECIFIC AND IDENTIFYING, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT DIFFERENT, I THINK OUR TRANSECT ZONE AND CREATING A HISTORIC TRANSECT ZONE, AS WELL AS MAKING SOME.
SO THAT THE EXISTING OF COURSE, THE DESIGN REVIEW DOCUMENT WAS WRITTEN IN 1980.
SO. AND MICHELLE, I STOPPED SHARING IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL IT UP.
IF NOT IT IS ON THE WEBSITE AND I CAN TRY TO GET TO IT.
NO, I PULLED IT UP. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE SPECIFIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
OKAY GOALS. BUT WHILE I FUMBLE THROUGH THAT, UM, MARK, DO YOU WANT TO BEGIN EXPLAINING SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS? THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION THERE THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT.
UM, A LOT OF IT, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF POINTS TOWARD, YOU KNOW, MY DIRECTION WE COULD CERTAINLY, D O MORE EDUCATION.
TIE IN THE PROPERTY OWNERS, TIE IN THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THERE TO REALLY HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REQUIRED WHEN THEY DO WORK. THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE FUNDING, THAT WE HAVE REVISED OUR FAÇADE PROGRAM TO DO BASIC ENHANCEMENTS, PLUS TRY TO GET PEOPLE MOTIVATED TO TO FULLY FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR DOING, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL REHABS AND DOING MAJOR INVESTMENTS IN PROPERTY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT COULD HAVE HOUSING UP ABOVE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD MEET THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF INVESTMENT AND WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORTH, GOING FOR, UH, THE FEDERAL TAX CREDIT FOR A CERTIFIED REHABILITATION.
SO I KEEP TRYING TO PROMOTE THAT.
BUT IT IS DIFFICULT TO DO THAT OUTREACH.
I DO HAVE LIMITATIONS AND VARIOUS NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I'M DOING AS WELL.
SO, THERE'S A READ THAT WHOLE SECTION AND CERTAINLY IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN JUST ME AND OUR PROGRAM AND WHAT WE DO TO DO THE OUTREACH TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAPPEN.
AND, UM, IT'S KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, BUT, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE AND JUST EVEN ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS, IT REALLY IS ABOUT PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND CHARM OF THE DOWNTOWN.
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UM, AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES FOR THAT.AND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT DOES IS TERRY MENTIONED IT IS, A PRODUCT OF THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND IS INFORMING THE REGIONAL PLAN, UM, THIS IS ONE MORE TOOL LIKE MARK MENTIONED. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HEAVY LIFT, BUT THIS IS ONE MORE TOOL THAT SUPPORTS ASKING FOR FUNDING, WHETHER IT BE FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF, UM, AND OR FOR CONTRACT WORK OR MONEY TO DO VERY SPECIFIC PROGRAM ITEMS. SO, UM, INTERNALLY, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, THAT IS PROBABLY ABOUT THREE FULL TIME JOBS, NOT JUST TWO.
BUT AS TERRY AND MARK NOTED, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT EVERYONE.
I CAN SEND IT OUT TO THE GROUP BECAUSE IT ISN'T.
I CAN'T JUST LIKE PULL UP ONE PAGE.
WE CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, BUT IT IS SCATTERED AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ON, LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY AND OTHER ZONING AND PROCESS RELATED CLEANUPS AND EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAN DO TO BETTER PROTECT OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND ENCOURAGE THEIR PROTECTION.
AND IT IS INTERESTING ON THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT MAPS, THE OVERLAY MATCHES THAT DOWNTOWN TAX INCREMENT AREA. IT ALL OF THE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS TOUCH FROM TOWNSITE TO NORTH END TO RAILROAD ADDITION THAT CROSSES INTO SOUTH SIDE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY IDENTIFIABLE OF WHERE OUR RESOURCES ARE.
THEY ARE RIGHT THERE, CIRCLING AROUND THE DOWNTOWN.
AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE THAT COME INTO TOWN DO APPRECIATE THE AUTHENTICITY OF THAT.
AND MAYBE THAT WAS A QUESTION AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT AUTHENTICITY AND WHERE? BUT I DO THINK THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AREAS THAT, UM, DO HAVE BUILDINGS OF LATER ERAS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT CORE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, IDENTITY TO THEM.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL ABOUT A VIBRANT TOWN, BUT TAKING CAREFUL ACTIONS IN ORDER TO RETAIN THAT HISTORIC CHARACTER. TERRY, EARLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE I THINK IT WAS LIKE A FIRM, PUMA CONSULTING WITH.
I'M CURIOUS TO HOW THEY'RE INTERPRETING THAT.
AND SO I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO RUN COUNTER TO SOME OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS POTENTIALLY ACTUALLY RUNNING IN CONFLICT TO.
YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND I'LL, DO MY BEST TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT OUR DOWNTOWN NEEDS.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING TO COME TO FLAGSTAFF, UM, OR THEY'RE LOOKING TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN, WE WOULD THEN HAVE DATA TO SAY, WELL, WHAT'S REALLY NEEDED ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND HERE'S THE DATA THAT BACKS THAT UP.
OR WHAT'S NEEDED ARE MORE RETAIL BUSINESSES, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW, OR WHAT'S NEEDED MIGHT BE , A SMALL CORNER PHARMACY OR URBAN GROCERY.
AND SO WHAT WHAT THEY PROVIDED US IS RECOMMENDATIONS OF SOME OF THE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT DOWNTOWN COULD USE, AND THAT'S BASED ON LOOKING AT OTHER COMPARABLE DOWNTOWNS, AND THAT'S LOOKING AT FLAGSTAFF AND THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF WHAT DOWNTOWN OFFERS TODAY.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S IN THERE IS IT'S LOOKING AT RECOMMENDING SOME HOUSING WHERE APPROPRIATE,
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SOME PRIMARY JOBS.UM, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICE THAT WE COULD ATTRACT MORE PRIMARY JOBS, PERHAPS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SPACE AT THE KCS BUILDING OR LOOKING AT THE WHAT THE COUNTY LIKE THE COUNTY'S FOOTPRINT, LIKE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO, UM, BRING IN WHAT DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY MIGHT BE SHORT ON.
WE HEARD A PHARMACY, A SMALL PHARMACY OR URBAN GROCERY, AND THEN REALLY TRYING HARD TO SUPPORT OUR STOREFRONT ECONOMY BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF WHAT MAKES DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF SO UNIQUE IS THE LARGE NUMBER OF INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES.
UM, AND SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE NEED TO, UM, TRY TO RECRUIT MORE INDEPENDENT.
WE NEED TO KEEP OUR BALANCE, AND THAT REQUIRES SOME EFFORT.
BUT THEY IN THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF STOREFRONT ECONOMY, FLAGSTAFF REALLY IS THE BEST PRACTICE THAT I THINK OTHER DOWNTOWNS ARE LOOKING TO US.
SO HOUSING, PRIMARY JOBS, AMENITIES LIKE A PHARMACY OR GROCERY AND CONTINUING TO SUPPORT OUR STOREFRONTS. I'D LIKE TO JUST BUILD ON WHAT SHELLI SAID, BECAUSE THE VALUE OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES IS REALLY HIGH, AND THE ZONING ALLOWS THE BUILDINGS TO GO HOW HIGH? SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ADDING HOUSING WITH DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS, WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO HIGH RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THAT WILL BE EXPENSIVE. AND I JUST WAS IN TUCSON AFTER HAVING LIVED THERE IN THE 80S.
AND THEN I SAW IT THIS YEAR, AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD WHAT THEY DID THERE, ALL THOSE HIGH RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE THEY'RE NOT FULL PEOPLE I THINK DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE. IT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR HISTORIC AREA.
AND I JUST WORRY THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A DOWNTOWN OF SECOND HOMES AND NOT FOR LOCALS.
I SAW YOUR STATISTIC ABOUT OUR DENSITY ISN'T VERY HIGH.
COME TO MY HOUSE IF YOU DON'T THINK WE HAVE DENSITY.
UH, BUT I WILL SAY, TERRY, I LOVE THE CLEAN TEAM.
I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
I GO DOWNTOWN LESS AND LESS AND I DON'T EVEN NEED TO PARK.
BUT IT'S MOSTLY A TOURIST DOWNTOWN NOW, AND THE RESTAURANTS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE AND.
YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S I GUESS THAT WAS MY POINT IS TO JUST SAY YES.
I LOVE SO MANY OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT MARKET WE'RE BASING THAT OFF OF.
IT WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IS CHALLENGING.
IS THAT THE MARKET OF THE DOLLAR THAT COMES IN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GENERATED BY NECESSARILY LOCALS.
SO THAT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN MARKET BASED ON THE NEEDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT LIVE HERE.
AND IF I MAY ADD, PLEASE KEEP THE POST OFFICE DOWNTOWN.
OH FOR SURE. I THINK THE POST OFFICE IS A CRITICAL SERVICE.
UM, SO I SEE NO MATTER WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE BEING A POST OFFICE AND ASSOCIATED SERVICES THAT REMAINS LIKE IT, WE JUST HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THEM DOWNTOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I HEAR THE COMMENTS AND I HONESTLY, I SHARE THE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY DEDICATED, LIKE MY ENTIRE CAREER IS DEDICATED TO TRYING TO CREATE A TRUE COMMUNITY FOR DOWNTOWNS.
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UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE OUR VISITORS BECAUSE I THINK THE BUSINESSES ARE RELYING ON OUR VISITORS, BUT WE WANT SO DESPERATELY TO HAVE DOWNTOWN BE THE THE PLACE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO COME, WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN THE MOTIVATION FOR ALL OF OUR WORK AT THE DBA, ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE MUSIC ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS AND THE HOLIDAY EVENTS.IT'S DONE WITH THE INTENTION AND THE HOPE OF ENGAGING OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I REALLY HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I LOOK AT THE SURFACE LOTS THAT ARE DOTTING THE PERIPHERY OF OUR DOWNTOWN, AND I KNOW WE COULD HAVE A BETTER APPROPRIATE USE FOR THOSE SITES.
SO I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT TYPE OF PRICE POINT MORE WITH THE COUNTY AS A WILLING PARTNER. THE REST AND THE CITY SIDE AS WELL, THE FORMER MUNICIPAL COURTHOUSE SITE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAY, BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IN THOSE CASES ARE PARTNERS.
UM, AND THE OTHERS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.
AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TRY TO INFLUENCE THE BEST WE CAN WHAT TYPE OF PROJECT, WHAT THE MASSING LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE PRICE POINT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I SHARE IN THE COMMENTS THAT BOTH OF YOU JUST SAID AND WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO TRY TO KEEP OUR DOWNTOWN WELL, MAKE OUR DOWNTOWN A PLACE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO COME AND SPEND TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I GUESS I HAD A COUPLE MORE.
IT DESCRIBES THAT THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA FOR LARGE SCALE MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
AND WHAT IS LARGE SCALE IN YOUR DEFINITION? WELL, I THINK, UM, I THINK THERE'S TWO ANSWERS TO THAT.
ONE IS, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE SURFACE LOTS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE BLOCK, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER NUMBER OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS, LIKE THEY'RE ALL ASPHALT RIGHT NOW.
SO ONE IS JUST UTILIZING MORE THAN A HALF OF A BLOCK OR A FULL BLOCK.
BUT LOOKING AT THAT ENTIRE AREA, WHICH COULD BE MAYBE FOUR BLOCKS TO SEE SOME KIND OF ACTIVE, UM, MIXED USE. AND, I LOOK AT THAT AS BY MIXED USE, IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, IT COULD BE AN ARTS VENUE.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE GET MORE ARTS IN DOWNTOWN, AND I REALLY THINK WE'RE LACKING AN ACTIVATED ARTS VENUE.
UM, AND THEN, OF COURSE, SEEING SOME KIND OF GROUND FLOOR, WHETHER IT'S RETAIL OR RESTAURANT OR YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT PHARMACY KIND OF SPACE, SO SERVICES, MIXED USE PERFORMING ARTS COULD HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK MAYBE MICHELLE AND MARK TO HELP WITH THIS.
I DON'T LOOK AT LIKE A MONOLITHIC BUILDING.
I LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING.
YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT USE OF MATERIALS, DIFFERENT SETBACKS.
BUT I DO LOOK AT THAT SITE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S BORDERED BY ROUTE 66, A DISPENSARY, AND IT'S ON THE PERIPHERY OR ADJACENT TO THE CORE OF DOWNTOWN. SO TO ME, IT'S THE PERFECT SITE TO TRY TO ACTIVATE.
IT'S WALKABLE AND IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH RESIDENTIAL OR THE HISTORIC CORE, BUT WE DON'T
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SEE LIKE A MONOLITHIC, YOU KNOW, HUGE PROJECT TAKING UP SITES.I SEE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE COMPLEMENTARY TO DOWNTOWN IN TERMS OF PERFORMING ARTS, SOME HOUSING AND, UH, AMENITIES LIKE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL.
AND I'M NOT SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS.
WELL 60. SO CURRENTLY IT'S LIMITED TO 60FT IN HEIGHT BY RIGHT.
THAT JUST MEANS WITHOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF THEY WERE TO EXCEED 60FT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THIS PLAN IS NOT SUGGESTING THAT THOSE STANDARDS BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FOR MORE HEIGHT.
TO TERRY'S POINT, IT IS MORE ADDRESSING THE FORM AND THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE ALREADY DO HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT ADDRESS THAT.
AND MARK DEFINITELY CAN SPEAK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THE PLAN IS TRYING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT FORM AND THAT MASSING, GIVING A MUCH MORE CLEARER VISION OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IN THAT BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S A GOOD VISION RIGHT THERE.
YEAH. THE BONAVISTA IS A VERY GOOD VISION FOR.
YEAH, I THINK I GUESS WE'VE JUST SEEN IN SOME OF OUR OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT IS A LOT OF DEVELOPED, BUT NOT A LOT, BUT AT LEAST SOME DEVELOPERS SEEM TO SEE THOSE MAXIMUMS AS A TARGET RATHER THAN A MAXIMUM.
AND THE REASON WHY WE KNOW THAT WITH THE INCENTIVES AS WELL, IS THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING THEM.
THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO GET MORE.
AND SO, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN INTERESTING PROBLEM HERE THAT WE'RE NOT. PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN ACHIEVE THEIR DENSITY.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID IS A VERY TRUE STATEMENT.
WE HAVE SOMETHING IS HAPPENING HERE, WHETHER IT'S THE COST.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S THAT DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU GO OVER, IT'S MORE TIED TO THE BUILDING END OF THINGS THAT ONCE YOU EXCEED FOUR STORY'S, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO A STEEL FRAME.
IT'S A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT.
AND IN SOME WAYS, I SUSPECT THAT THE FACT THAT WE LIMIT OUR HEIGHT TO 60FT, THAT'S NOT GIVING YOU A LOT OF EXTRA HEIGHT TO, UM, GET THE DENSITY AND THE MORE INTENSE USE THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO JUSTIFY THAT COST FOR MATERIAL.
SO IN SOME WAYS, WE'RE ALMOST CAPPING IT AT A LOWER BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND IT'S SO I OFFER THAT AS SOMETHING.
MARK, YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THAT.
YEAH. THEN I GUESS THE INTERPRETATION OF WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE DESIGN, REVIEW REQUIREMENTS, MATERIALS, COLORS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. AND YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SISTERHOOD AND THE BROTHERHOOD OF ARCHITECTS THAT SOME ARE REALLY SENSITIVE AND SOME ARE NOT.
AND YOU WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD COMMUNICATE THAT OF COMPATIBILITY TO IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES IN OUR DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW A RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY TAKE THAT ON.
SO YEAH, WE'LL TRY TO GUIDE IS WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO.
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PROPERTY OWNERS AND KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE ALSO HOPING THAT PEOPLE WHO DO REDEVELOP IN THIS AREA DO STAY IN THE THEME OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO PRESERVE.AND I REALLY THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THE DBA.
AND THE ROLE IN THIS PLAN IS THAT THEY'RE NOT A CITY AGENCY THAT'S SAYING, COME TALK TO US.
AND IN SOME WAYS THAT'S REALLY GREAT THAT WE HAVE THEM AS A PARTNER SAYING, HEY, WE'RE YOUR FELLOW BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THIS IS HOW WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS DOWNTOWN COLLECTIVELY BE DEVELOPED.
AND SO I JUST THANK YOU, TERRY, FOR TAKING ON THAT ROLE AND FOR MAKING DBA BE SO INTEGRAL IN THAT DISCUSSION WITH HOW THAT WE DO SEE OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. THANKS FOR SAYING THAT, MICHELLE, I APPRECIATE IT.
DID YOU PUT THAT THERE JUST FOR US? NO, I DID NOT.
I DID NOT, AND IT IT REALLY IS WOVEN THROUGHOUT THE PLAN BECAUSE WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR AND THE PEOPLE THAT THE OUT OF THE 1200 THAT RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY, THOSE WERE RESIDENTS, THOSE WEREN'T VISITORS.
AND SO AND THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HELD EVEN THROUGHOUT COVID, WE HELD THEM IN THE ALLEYWAYS AND AT HERITAGE SQUARE AND THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED AND SHARED THEIR FEEDBACK, THOSE WERE RESIDENTS.
AND SO WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER IS THE TOP PRIORITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY, AND THAT MAKES IT MY TOP PRIORITY.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
IT IS WOVEN THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, AND HAS DIRECTED MY WORK, MY DAY TO DAY WORK, EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE VISION IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DBA DOES DOWNTOWN.
AND SO, UM, IT IS TO BE CHERISHED.
UM, AND THE COMMUNITY SPOKE LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE RESPECT THAT.
MAY I REQUEST OR SUGGEST THAT YOU DO SOMETHING WHERE YOU INVITE ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME DOWN AND TALK TO YOU, AND NOT ELECTRONIC, BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE DOING THINGS ELECTRONICALLY MYSELF AND I'M NOT ALONE.
AND SO I DON'T DO ANY SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE DOING THOSE EVENTS.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE. ABSOLUTELY.
HAVE US INVITED DOWN TO TALK WITH YOU.
ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD ASK YOU AS A RESIDENT, DUFFIE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU? POSTCARD OR WITH WATER BILLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
A SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE, LONG TIME PEOPLE, WE MIGHT BE MORE LIKELY TO OPEN MAIL THAN WE ARE TO OPEN AN EMAIL FROM WHO'S TERRY? YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO OPEN IT, BUT IF WE GET SOMETHING WITH OUR WATER BILL OR A POSTCARD LIKE CHRISTINE CAMERON HAS SENT OUT AND SARA DECHTER HAS SENT OUT POSTCARDS. PEOPLE I KNOW DO SEE THOSE AND READ THEM.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, DUFFIE.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU SEPARATE AND SEE IF WE ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET AND A WAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ENGAGE YOUR NEIGHBORS TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INCLUDING US IN THIS DISCUSSION.
IT'S GREAT TO, AS COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER SAYS, TO KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY IS EXCITED ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF WHAT FLAGSTAFF HAS TO OFFER AND HOW YOU GUYS ARE HOPING TO EMBRACE AND BUILD OFF OF THAT AS FLAGSTAFF CONTINUES TO GROW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL WORK WITH DUFFIE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY EMAILS THAT ANYBODY HAS AFTER THIS.
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WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO REPORTS.[8. REPORTS]
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE PARIS HOUSE? YEAH, THANK YOU.I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO VISIT 605 WEST REARDON ROAD.
YOU PROBABLY ARE MOST FAMILIAR WHEN THAT WAS OREGANO'S, I DIDN'T.
I WASN'T HERE THEN, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE HOUSE.
EVERYBODY GOES. WELL, THAT CAN'T BE SIGNIFICANT.
THIS LITTLE TINY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE REARDON MANSION.
SALVADOR PARIS WAS INTEGRAL AS OF A FRIEND OF THE REARDON'S AND AN EMPLOYEE OF THE REARDON'S.
AND SARA BOUGHT ME THIS ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER BOOK.
AND AT THE VERY END, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PAGES AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER HISTORY ASSOCIATED WITH SALVADOR PARIS, AND THEY FELT THAT HE WAS SO SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY DID WRITE AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY ABOUT THIS MAN.
UM, SO AGAIN, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, IT WILL BE COMING IN AS A DEMOLITION, TO BUILD A PARKING LOT FOR CHICK FIL A.
THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW OUR OUR REQUIREMENTS.
I AM WANTING TO DO A SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION THAT IS LOCATED AT THE SITE, AS WELL AS DIRECTLY CONNECTED WITH THE REARDON MANSION.
THE REARDON MANSION WILL BE LOSING THIS AS A SITE THAT THEY DO ON THEIR WALKING TOURS.
IT'S ONE OF THE FEW SURVIVING EXAMPLES OF OF WORKERS HOUSING.
THE HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN TO SALVADOR PARIS BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A KEY PERSON TO THE REARDON'S, SO HE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT HOUSE. SO THEY'VE HIRED A LOCAL CONSULTANT.
THEY'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THE HOUSE ITSELF.
THERE'S A PERSON THAT VOLUNTEERS AT THE REARDON MANSION THAT'S DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH IN HISTORY ON HIM AND ALSO MILLTOWN. HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING A BOOK ABOUT MILLTOWN ITSELF.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF WRAP UP THE STORY ABOUT SALVADOR.
HE WAS CROSSING HE WAS CROSSING MILTON ROAD AND GOT HIT BY A CAR.
AND THAT ENDED HIS TIME SERVING FOR THE REARDON'S.
SO, MARK, SORRY, WHO AT REARDON DID YOU SAY IS DOING THIS RESEARCH, OR DO YOU KNOW.
THANK YOU. SO I'VE VISITED THE INSIDE.
IT HAS HAD EXTENSIVE MODIFICATIONS.
IT WAS MOVED FROM THE CORNER, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY VALID.
YOU KNOW, WE MOVED A LOT OF HOUSES AND IT HAS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT TIE.
SO YOU KNOW, THE BACK PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, BUT CERTAINLY YOU CAN IDENTIFY THAT AS A CLASSIC, YOU KNOW, ARIZONA LUMBER COMPANY BUILDING.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT TO TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE LIKE TWO POTENTIAL SITES, I WOULD HOPE WE HAVE INTERPRETATION. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS TO DO THE ENTIRE REARDON ROAD FROM THE STANDARD, WHICH WAS WHERE THE MILL WAS, AND TO DO INTERPRETATION ALL THROUGH THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS A STARTING POINT OF SOMETHING LARGER.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL THAT WHEN THIS CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY COMES IN AND THE MITIGATION THAT'S PROPOSED, THAT WE ARE COMPENSATING FOR THAT LOSS.
SO MARK, THE HOUSE GOT TURNED INTO AN OREGANOS.
YES. WAS IT LIKE I SUPPOSE THIS WILL BE PART OF THE REPORT.
IT'S VERY MUCH INTACT OF WHAT IT WAS AS THE HOUSE.
THE INTERIOR IS NOT, BUT THE EXTERIOR THAT ENCLOSED IN FRONT PORCH.
BUT YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE ORIGINAL PORCH IS.
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SO WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS THE HOUSE.AND AGAIN THIS ISN'T LOCAL SIGNIFICANCE.
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE A CHICK FIL A PARKING LOT.
GO AHEAD. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT THAT'S GOING TO GET ME IN TROUBLE.
I HOPE THE CITY NOTICES THAT WE'VE NOW LOST.
WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FIVE HISTORIC HOUSES WE'VE LOST IN THE CENTER OF TOWN.
AND WHERE WAS I GOING? SO THAT'S PART OF IT.
ALSO, I THINK IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT THE WAY FLAGSTAFF WAS THAT THE REARDONS RESPECTED THIS MAN ENOUGH TO GIVE HIM A HOUSE THAT IS SO TELLING OF THIS TOWN, AND IT WARMS MY HEART AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE IT GONE FOREVER.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE OTHER PART I WANTED TO SAY, THAT WE DON'T GIVE AWAY PARKING FOR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE PARKING IS NEEDED AND SMALL HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR JUST HISTORIC BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN PROVEN BY RESEARCH FROM THE NATIONAL TRUST, AND I GAVE THE CITY A COPY OF THE BOOK, WHICH I CAN'T FIND MY OWN COPY, THAT HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE BETTER INCUBATORS THAN THESE NEW BIG BE IN THEM.
SO WE'RE LOSING SO MUCH WITH THIS HOUSE, AND WE JUST NEED TO RETHINK HOW WHERE FLAGSTAFF GROWS.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO EVERYTHING DOWNTOWN.
I WILL TESTIFY PEOPLE DOWNTOWN DRIVE AS MUCH OR MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND SO I JUST IT JUST MAKES ME REALLY SAD TO LOSE ONE MORE HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND THIS ONE HAS INCREDIBLE SIGNIFICANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK THE FAMILY STILL LIVES HERE.
I AS CHAIR, I DECREE NO TROUBLE FOR ME.
[LAUGHTER] I ALSO [INAUDIBLE] EARLIER.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. MICHELLE. OH, CHAIR, I SEE THAT ALYCIA HAYES HAS HER HAND UP.
COMMISSIONER HAYES. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I AM AWARE THAT THE WARDEN STATE PARK ALSO HAS DEVELOPED A TOUR SPECIFICALLY ON MILLTOWN AND THE WORKERS HOUSING THAT THEY WERE REALLY PROUD OF.
I THINK THEY LAUNCHED IT, I THINK, LAST SPRING AND THERE'S QUITE A STORY THERE.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
AND THAT'S A SHAME TO LOSE, PART OF THAT STORY.
NOW, ON TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, MICHELLE.
[9. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS Prop 207 Map Update]
OKAY. LAST MONTH, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE BACK HERE THIS MONTH WITH THE PROPOSITION 207 MAPS.AS WE WERE DOING THE REVIEW OF WHAT JOSEPH HAD PULLED TOGETHER WITH LEGAL, WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY MISSING A FEW PROPERTIES, THAT THE WAIVERS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER WERE NOT INCLUDED.
THE WAIVER SO FOR PROPOSITION 207, YOU HAVE TO FILE IT, I THINK IT'S WITHIN 3 OR 4 YEARS OF WHEN.
SO THREE YEARS OF WHEN AN ORDINANCE HAS BEEN APPROVED OR ADOPTED.
SO THE PERIOD FOR HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING ACTUALLY ENDS IN MARCH.
UM, SO WE'RE SEEING A DOWNTREND OF TRICKLES OF THE LAST HOH PROP 207.
SO I'D LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THAT SO WE CAN JUST GET YOU A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL OF THE CLAIMS. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE, THAT WE WAIT.
AND THEN ALSO THEN WE HAVE THE FULL PACKAGE.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER? YES. OKAY.
AND NOW WE WILL ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO.
YOU HAVE TO ADJOURN FIRST WELL, I JUST FOR THE CORE.
YES. DO WE HAVE MORE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS? YEAH, JUST SOME QUICK ONES.
SO, UM, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT SHELF CREEK RESERVOIR AND WE TOOK IT OUT OF BEING A LOCAL LANDMARK? I JUST CALLED UP, AND APPARENTLY THE MITIGATION HAS BEEN PRODUCED, AND IT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED UP THERE, AND THERE MAY BE MORE ON THAT.
SO I DID FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THAT WE WILL GET MITIGATION AND THAT THAT ONE COMPONENT THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE, WHICH IS REALLY NEAT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN UP TO T HE BASINS UP THERE, THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE A QUARTER OF THE ORIGINAL, THE FIRST ORIGINAL RESERVOIR FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
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IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, THAT ONE, WHICH WAS DEMOLISH AND DO A RECREATION OF THE SOUTH WALL FOR INTERPRETATION FOR THE CODE TALKERS.SO THAT DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS JUST ISSUED.
SO AND THEN BECAUSE SARA, YOU KNOW, MAKES ME DO IT SCENARIO CHOOSING REGIONAL PLAN.
GO TO THE WEBSITE, DO THE LITTLE TEST ON WHAT YOU FEEL IS THE APPROPRIATE SCENARIO.
THERE IS ONE MORE OPEN HOUSE ON JANUARY 16TH.
IF YOU'RE LIKE ME AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT ONLINE.
ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. THANK YOU TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
[LAUGHTER] SO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP.
MARK IS ONE OF OUR NEW ADMINS.
SO HE IS GOING TO BE DOING THE MINUTES.
SO WE ARE GETTING STAFFED UP ON THINGS.
ALL RIGHT. AND NOW WE WILL ADJOURN IF THERE'S NO OTHER MISSING MORE HANDS ONLINE TO THE GOPHER HOLE, I BELIEVE, FOR OUR HOLIDAY PARTY OF POSSIBLE QUORUM.
AND THEREFORE THE PUBLIC MUST KNOW.
THAT WAY, IF ANY OF YOU CHOOSE TO GO AND DO SOME HOLIDAY SHOPPING OR HAVE A BAR CRAWL, YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THERE'S SUCH PARTY PEOPLE AND THAT WAY THAT IF IT'S NOT JUST TO THAT ONE PLACE, IF YOU'RE SEEN ANYWHERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WE ARE COVERED.
OKAY. AND WE WILL ADJOURN BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 5:55 PER MY PHONE PM.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.