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[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
WHERE DOES TIME GO? ALL RIGHT.WE WILL START WITH, CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL.
CHAIR AND ALL THE EXCITEMENT, I HAVEN'T PULLED UP MY AGENDA.
DO YOU WANT TO START WITH ROLL CALL WHILE I GET MYSELF TOGETHER? OH, YES. ACTUALLY. NEVER MIND.
[INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ALL RIGHT. OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT WILL BE READ BY AMY HORN TODAY.
[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAIN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE IS HOME.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[4. Public Comment At this time, any member of the public may address the Commission on any subject within their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the Commission on that day. Due to Open Meeting Laws, the Commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To address the Commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the Chair to call for Public Comment at the time the item is heard.]
I SEE ACTUAL PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.ANY PEOPLE HAPPEN TO BE HERE FOR AN ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
YES. IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR QUESTION, COMMENT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE? THANK YOU.
IT'S JUST FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
THIS IS AS IT RELATES TO THE PARIS PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO. IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARIS PROPERTY, YOU CAN COMMENT WHEN WE GET TO THE PARIS PROPERTY.
OKAY I BEG YOUR PARDON, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS.
NO. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SEEING AS THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM.
CHAIR? OH, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE ONLINE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR TO COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ITEM. OKAY.
SO, I SEE BLAKE BURNER AND MAGGIE KNUCKLES, IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW, IF YOU COULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND THEN I CAN UNMUTE YOU IF THAT'S FOR AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA, IF IT'S FOR THE PARIS HOUSE, WE CAN CALL ON YOU WHEN WE GET TO IT.
[A. Approve the minutes of the December 20, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission. REQUESTED ACTION: Review and possible approval of minutes.]
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.YES. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I START ASKING NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'LL BE SOME.
WELL. I JUST WANT THEM TO BE RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S A RECORD OF OUR HISTORY.
I FOUND SOMETHING IN SEVEN A UNDER GENERAL BUSINESS.
IT SAYS THAT IT WAS THE, ARIZONA PACIFIC.
THE BRIDGE. I DON'T THINK IT USED TO BE.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE ARIZONA PACIFIC RAILROAD.
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM IF THAT'S RIGHT OR NOT? MARK. WAS IT THE MINERAL BELT THERE.
CAN WE ADD THAT THEN, THAT IT'S ALSO THE MINERAL.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD, MINERAL BELT WOULD BE WHAT MOST PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT FOR.
THEN IN THE NEXT LINE, I THINK ONCE THE CORE TO DISCUSS THE SIZE.
BUT IT SHOULD. IT'S MISSPELLED.
IT WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT BY SPELL CHECK.
LITTLE THINGS LIKE. ANYONE ELSE FIND ANYTHING? I RELY ON YOU TO DO THAT NOW, DUFFY.
ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER'S AMENDMENTS? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES.
CAN I GET ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TODAY, WHICH CONCERNS 605 WEST RIORDAN ROAD AND THE PARIS PROPERTY.
[A. Phase 1 Cultural Resource Study for Peris House PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 605 W Riordan Road Assessor's Parcel Number: 03-040-09B1 Property Owner: SH Flagstaff Holdings LLC Applicant: JLL, Irvine, California, on behalf of Chick-fil-A, Maggie Nuckols representative City Staff: Mark Reavis REQUESTED ACTION: Request by applicants for the review and acceptance of the submitted Phase 1 Cultural Resource Study (CRS) with included mitigation. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve the submitted Phase 1 Cultural Resource Study with the Consultant-recommended mitigation as meeting submission requirements of historic research and property recordation. NOTE: The Commission may consider additional mitigation to address indirect impacts to Riordan State Parks programs and tours as a condition to approval. ]
MARK, IF YOU WANT TO GET US STARTED AND THEN INTRODUCE ANYONE ELSE YOU HAVE ON TAP TO, TALK, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SPACE FOR WHAT APPEAR TO BE QUITE A FEW[00:05:01]
PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY.WHAT, I, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET TO THIS POINT.
SO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY WAS COMMISSIONED BY JLL, WHICH IS A CONSULTANT THAT WAS WORKING WITH, CHICK FIL A.
THERE'S BEEN VARIOUS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
SO IT'S A PHASE ONE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.
THEY'VE REQUESTED IT AS FULL COMPLIANCE, MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS.
THEY ARE A QUALIFIED CULTURAL RESOURCE FIRM.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE CONSULTANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
SUBSTANTIAL AND VERY INTERESTING RESEARCH ABOUT THE PARIS HOUSE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT IT'S SALVADOR PARIS AND FLORENCE PARIS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT HER, BUT WE KNOW SHE WAS PART OF THIS WHOLE THING.
HE FOUND OUT WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC TALK.
AFTER ME. OR THEY COULD PRESENT PRIOR TO ME.
WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL MAYBE DO JOSH, AND THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THE CONTEXT FOR THE AUDIENCE IN CASE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL STORY, SINCE WE ALSO GOT BRIEFED ON THIS LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR.
FOR COMMENTS. JOSH, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY? I DO. ALL RIGHT.
DO YOU WANT TO WORK WITH MICHELLE TO GET THAT LOADED? JOSH. WILL YOU BE SHARING YOUR OWN SCREEN? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE.
CAN YOU SEE THE CORRECT SCREEN? NO, LET ME JUST GO IN AND DO A QUICK CHECK.
SORRY. IT'S MAKING ME TRANSFER DEVICES.
JOSH, COULD YOU EMAIL ME YOUR PRESENTATION? YOU'RE AS A PRESENTER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
SORRY, THIS IS MICHELLE MCNULTY.
I JUST SENT YOU THE NEW TEAMS LINK.
WHAT'S YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE NOW, MICHELLE? WELL, I'M THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, BUT I AM THE PLANNING.
SARA HAS TAKEN A STEP BACK FROM THAT ROLE.
SO MICHELLE IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US FOR A WHILE NOW.
TOO BIG. YEAH, SHE JUST TOOK A STEP BACK BECAUSE OF THE REGIONAL PLAN.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SEND IT AS A LINK.
AND WHEN YOU HIT THE SHARE BUTTON, IT'S NOT WORKING FROM YOUR SIDE, IS IT GIVING YOU ANY ERRORS OR ANYTHING? NOPE. I JUST HIT SHARE AND IT'S ACTIVATED.
JOSH, WE'RE ABLE TO SEE YOUR SCREEN NOW.
WELL, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE FILE.
THAT'S AWESOME. YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
DO YOU SEE THE CORRECT SCREEN WITHOUT ALL THE SUPERFLUOUS INFORMATION ON IT?
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YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT.OKAY. I THINK WE'LL JUST GO WITH THIS ROOM.
SO WHEN WE MAKE BIG MOVEMENTS, WE JUST WAIT.
THANKS. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY FAULT TOO.
ONE SECOND. IT'S SHOWING THE SLIDE SHOW VIEW SO WE CAN SEE, LIKE, THE NOTES IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO DO IT SO WE CAN SEE THE FULL SCREEN SO IT'S EASIER.
YES. THANK YOU. THAT IS PERFECT.
HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR AGENDA ITEM TODAY.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WANTED TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO NIKKI LOBER AND DAVID PORTREE FROM RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK. THE PARIS HOUSE IS ON THE MANSION'S WALKING TOURS IN THE SUMMER.
AND SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, CULTURAL LANDSCAPE FOR THE STATE PARK.
AND NIKKI AND DAVID GUIDED CORNERSTONE RESEARCH TO AUGMENT WHAT THEY HAD ALREADY ACHIEVED.
AND THEY ALSO COMMENTED ON OUR REPORT.
AND SO THE REPORT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, THEY HAVE COMMENTED ON THAT, AND I'M GOING TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS INTO THE FINAL VERSION THAT I'LL TURN OVER TO MARK ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ON IT AS WELL, WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE.
THEY ALSO PERFORMED ARCHIVAL RESEARCH AT CLIMB LIBRARY SPECIAL COLLECTIONS, AMONG OTHERS.
THEY HAVE CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH DESCENDANTS, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED HISTORIC PHOTOS FROM THOSE DESCENDANTS AND PHOTOS THAT THEY ALREADY HAD OF THE PARIS FAMILY AND OF MILLTOWN.
SO HERE'S THE PROPERTY LOCATION.
THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE HOUSE.
SO THE STUDY INVOLVES TWO BUILDINGS ON THE PARCEL THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THAT'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY, SINCE A LOT OF THE AL&T HOUSES WERE BUILT STARTING IN 1895.
OR EARLIER. IT WAS OCCUPIED BY SALVADOR AND FLORENCE PARIS BEGINNING IN 1931, AND THEN MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORING AND CURRENT CASTLE IN 1960.
SO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE IS BETWEEN 1931 AND 1973.
AND SINCE THIS HOUSE IS NOT IN A.
IT HISTORIC? OVERLAY. IT'S IN THE REARDON EDITION, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
I CALL IT THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, 1931, WHEN THEY MOVED INTO THE HOUSE AND ENDED IT, 1973, WHICH IS 50 YEARS WHEN THE REPORT DRAFT WAS COMPLETED. THERE WERE A LOT OF RENOVATIONS ON THIS HOUSE.
AND THEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY MOVED IN 1960.
THE REAL AREA OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT WE ANALYZED HERE WAS FOR SOCIAL HISTORY, WHICH IS FLAGSTAFF CRITERION C AND NATIONAL CRITERION B. UNDER THE THEME OF RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE.
EVERYTHING'S UPSIDE DOWN BECAUSE THIS MAP WAS DRAWN WITH SOUTH UP AND.
THE RED LINE. WE TRIED TO TRACE WHERE THE ORIGINAL INTERIOR SPACES OF THE HOUSE ARE, WHICH I'VE TRACED WITH MY CURSOR HERE, MY POINTER. AND THEN THESE OTHER AREAS IN THE DASHED LINES ARE PORCHES THAT ARE NOW ENCLOSED.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT PRETTY MUCH MIRRORS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
AND THE REST OF THE STUFF IS ADD ONS.
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SO HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE HOUSE.AND ESSENTIALLY THIS LINE RIGHT HERE WHERE MY POINTER IS THE END OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
THIS IS THE STREET FACING VIEW OF THE NORTH ELEVATION.
AND THIS IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH WAS A MUCH LATER ADDITION THAT HOUSED THE RESTAURANT.
AND I HAVE EATEN IN THAT ADDITION WHEN IT WAS OREGANO'S.
THIS IS THE BACK BUILDING, BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS THE GARAGE.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THE TWO ENCLOSED VEHICLE BAYS, THE SMALL BAYS FOR THE CARS.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CULTURAL CONTEXT WE MADE FOR SALVADOR AND FLORENCE.
AND THIS IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE OF OUR FINDINGS, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ALL READ THE REPORT, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF AN OVERVIEW WITH SOME BULLET POINTS HERE, BECAUSE IT WAS SO FASCINATING.
AND SALVADOR, PARIS AND FLORENCE WERE.
AND SALVADOR CERTAINLY WASN'T A NORMAL, EVERYDAY PERSON AT THE MILL.
HE WAS REALLY SPECIAL IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMPANY AND THE TOWN.
FLORENCE WAS BORN IN MINNEAPOLIS IN 1901 AND ALSO MOVED TO FLAGSTAFF IN 1910.
HER FATHER, CARL BURNHAM, WAS A MILLWRIGHT AND MILL SUPERINTENDENT AND WORKED FOR AL&T FOR 36 YEARS. SALVADOR AND FLORENCE WERE MARRIED AT THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY ON OCTOBER 6TH OF 1923 AND HAD TWO DAUGHTERS, MARGARET AND HELEN.
SALVADOR TRAVELED TO THE US ON THE SS ANTONIO LOPEZ AND ARRIVED IN NEW YORK ON OCTOBER 12TH, 1910.
HE INITIALLY WORKED AT THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY, WHICH I WILL REFER TO AS AL&T IN THEIR BOX FACTORY, AND THEN WORKED IN THE COMMISSARY WHERE HE HAD A ROOM. HIS 1920 NATURALIZATION CARD DESCRIBES HIM AS BEING FIVE FOOT THREE, 120 POUNDS, WITH BLACK HAIR AND BROWN EYES, BEING OF WHITE COLOR WITH A DARK COMPLEXION.
HE WORKED AT AL&T FOR 71 YEARS, FILLED MANY ROLES AND WHILE ON PAPER, INCLUDING IN THE FLAGSTAFF DIRECTORIES, HE'S OFTEN LISTED AS A JANITOR OR LABORER.
HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE FAMILIES AND WITH AL&T WAS MUCH MORE PERSONAL AND EXTENSIVE THAN THAT.
SO MICHAEL MAY HAVE BEEN TRAVELING IN SPAIN WHEN HE FIRST MET SALVADOR AND DECIDED TO SPONSOR HIS MOVE, SUGGESTING AN EARLY AND STRONG AFFINITY BETWEEN SALVADOR AND THE RIORDAN BROTHERS. AMONG MANY OF SALVADOR'S EXTENSIVE INVOLVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
DOLAN AND SENATOR JOHN BABBITT.
HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS BEGINNING IN 1927.
HE WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY, AND HE LOVED WORKING ON THE GARDENS AT RIORDAN MANSION, AMONG MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HE DID, AND KIND OF PROBABLY AS A RESULT, HE COMPETED AT THE COCONINO COUNTY FAIR, SUBMITTING HIS BACHELOR BUTTON FLOWERS AND WINNING A PRIZE.
OTHER KIND OF TIDBITS IS THAT HE LOST HALF OF A FINGER FIGHTING A FIRE AT THE AL&T OFFICES, AND HE WAS A MEMBER OF FLAGSTAFF'S OWN BATTERY D OF THE ARIZONA NATIONAL GUARD, WHICH WAS AN ARTILLERY UNIT.
THROUGHOUT HIS 71 CAREER YEAR CAREER WITH AL&T HE SERVED AS CLEANER FURNACE TENDER AT THE MANSION.
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GROUNDSKEEPER AND GATEKEEPER AT THE MANSION.HE WAS POTENTIALLY A COOK ON CAMPING TRIPS WITH JOE DOLAN, AMONG OTHERS.
HE ACTED FOR, AS A BODYGUARD WITH MIKE RIORDAN.
AS A CADDY ON TIM REARDON'S GOLF COURSE, AND IN THE END OF TIM'S LIFE, HE ACTED AS HIS CAREGIVER AND ULTIMATELY HIS PALLBEARER. SO THE PARIS FAMILY MOVED INTO THE HOUSE IN 1931.
BOTH LOTS, INCLUDING THE HOUSE, WERE DEEDED TO THEM IN 1960, AND THE HOUSE WAS MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORING LOT IN 1960, AND THE FRONT LOT WAS LEASED TO THE BUILDERS OF THE GAS STATION ALSO PAID FOR THE MOVE OF THE HOUSE.
FLORENCE AND FLORENCE IS GREAT INTERVIEW.
SHE RECALLS THAT MR. DOLAN GIFTED THEM OF THE HOUSE, AND THEY PRESENTED IT TO THEM ON CHRISTMAS EVE IN A SET OF NESTED BOXES.
SO THEY WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LARGER BOX AND GOT A SMALLER BOX IN THERE.
SALVADOR AND FLORENCE CELEBRATED THEIR 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY AT LITTLE AMERICA IN 1973, WHICH I THINK IS INTERESTING AND, ONE TRAGIC EVENT THAT CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE OF THEIR LIVES WAS WHEN SALVADOR WAS STRUCK BY A DRUNK DRIVER WHILE CROSSING MILTON AT RIORDAN IN 1975. THE ACCIDENT EFFECTIVELY FORCED HIS RETIREMENT.
HE WAS LONG TO RECOVER AND WAS NEVER QUITE THE SAME AFTER THE ACCIDENT.
IN 1981, AL&T PUBLISHED A DOCUMENT CALLED SALVADOR, PARIS AND APPRECIATION.
IN IT, THEY NOTED THAT THE COMPANY HAD MANY EXCELLENT EMPLOYEES THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY, AND THEY STATE THAT HOWEVER, WITHOUT DOING ANY OTHER EMPLOYEE AN INJUSTICE, IT SEEMED SAFE TO SAY THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN MORE DEDICATED, HARDWORKING OR LOYAL THAN SALVADOR PARIS, WHO HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY THE COMPANY FOR 71 YEARS.
SALVADOR ULTIMATELY DIED AT THE AGE OF 91, IN 1982.
SANBORN. INSURANCE COMPANY MAPS AND SOME OF THE FLAGSTAFF PLAT MAPS TO TRY TO RECONSTRUCT.
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE HOUSE WHEN IT WAS MOVED, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
STARTING IN 1901, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT LOT RIGHT HERE, THAT THERE WAS ALREADY A HOUSE EXISTING ON THAT LOT, AND THERE WAS A HOUSE EXISTING ON THIS LOT BEFORE THE PARIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED THERE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE ORIGINAL LOT.
THIS APPEARS TO BE THE ORIGINAL, PARIS HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU CAN.
THE OUTLINE AND THE PORCHES AND EVERYTHING.
SO THESE ARE BLOW UPS OF THE AERIALS THAT WERE SUPER HELPFUL IN 1959.
AERIALS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE THE BUILDING ONE HERE IS PRETTY CLEARLY THE PARIS HOUSE.
WE HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, INCLUDING THIS BUILDING BACK HERE, WHICH MAY BE BUILDING TWO.
THAT MAY BE THE SHED, THE GARAGE THAT WAS ON THAT LOT ORIGINALLY.
SO WE THINK THAT BUILDING TWO WAS ON THAT LOT.
AND THAT BUILDING ONE, THE PARIS HOUSE, WAS MOVED OVER TO THAT LOT IN 1960.
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AND 1901, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PARIS HOUSE IS PROBABLY BUILT BETWEEN 1910 AND 1916, UNLESS IT WAS MOVED TO ITS FIRST LOT, IN WHICH CASE THAT'S A LOT OF MOVES FOR ONE BUILDING.THE NATIONAL OR VERNACULAR FOLK TREND IN RESIDENTIAL HOUSING BECAME POPULAR WHEN BUILDING EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS COULD EASILY BE TRANSPORTED BY RAIL, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE MATERIALS WERE VERY ACCESSIBLE AT THE MILL.
WHEN THE T-SHAPED LAYOUT IS ONE OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE NATIONAL VERNACULAR COTTAGE STYLE, AS IS AN INTERSECTING GABLE ROOF, ENCLOSED EAVES, SHIPLAP, OR WEATHERBOARD SIDING.
CONSTRUCTION. SO THE SIGNIFICANCE EVALUATION FOR THIS HOUSE WAS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IN NATIONAL REGISTER BULLETIN 15, WHICH IS PROVIDES US GREAT GUIDANCE, IT STATES THAT STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
HOWEVER, I MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PARIS HOUSE IS A VERY, SPECIFIC AND IMPORTANT CASE BECAUSE IT'S THE SURVIVING STRUCTURE, MOST IMPORTANTLY ASSOCIATED WITH A HISTORIC PERSON.
IN ADDITION, SALVADOR AND FLORENCE LIVED IN THE HOUSE BEFORE AND AFTER IT WAS MOVED.
THE MOVE WAS COMPLETED DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, AND THE HOUSE IS THE SINGLE SURVIVING PROPERTY THAT'S MOST CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENT, OR WITH THE PART OF THE PERSON'S LIFE FOR WHICH HE OR SHE IS SIGNIFICANT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDED AS SIGNIFICANT AT A LOCAL LEVEL BECAUSE IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE IN THE CULTURAL ANNALS OF THE CITY THAT'S BORROWING LANGUAGE OUT OF THE THE FLAGSTAFF ZONING CODE.
IN ADDITION, THE PARIS HOUSE IS STILL IN A LOCATION THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SIGNIFICANCE, AND IT HAS AN ORIENTATION, SETTING AND GENERAL ENVIRONMENT THAT IS COMPARABLE TO THAT OF ITS ORIGINAL HISTORIC LOCATION.
UNDER FLAGSTAFF CRITERION C AND MOST ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY WERE DIMINISHED, WEAK OR LOST.
FOR ONE. AND THIS JUST GOES TOWARDS EVALUATING THE ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY AND DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE AND FLAGSTAFF HISTORY OR AS A CULTURAL VALUE.
SO IT WAS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO PARSE OUT THE ADDITIONS AND REMODELS IN THE HOUSE.
AND THIS INCLUDES CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, DESIGN AND MASSING.
AND WHILE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS A SIMPLE T LAYOUT, THAT SHAPE IS NOW VERY DIFFICULT TO DISCERN.
IN ADDITION, CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR CLADDING AND ROOFLINE HINDER THE PROPERTY FROM REVEALING STYLE PREFERENCES AND TRADITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDERS OF AL&T COMPANY HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY THAT OF A NATIONAL VERNACULAR COTTAGES.
THE CHANGES IN THE AREA AROUND THE HOUSE HAVE, DAMAGED THE SETTING FOR IT, OBVIOUSLY, AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THE HOUSE DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
PROBABLY HAVE A PRETTY HARD TIME RECOGNIZING THE PROPERTY TODAY.
MANY COMPONENTS OF BOTH BUILDINGS ARE SALVAGEABLE, INCLUDING THE TRUE SIZE LUMBER AND FROM THE TRUSSES AND BEAMS. THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND HISTORIC GLASS PANES FROM THE NORTHWEST PART OF BUILDING ONE.
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ADDITION, WHILE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PARISH HOUSE, COULD BE SALVAGED.AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS FACING NORTH LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW HERE.
THESE WINDOWS, THIS WINDOW ON THE INTERIOR WALL THAT ONCE WAS EXTERIOR TO A PORCH.
AND THE WINDOWS ALONG THE WEST WALL, WHICH THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT.
HERE IS A PHOTO OF ONE OF THE WINDOW SETS.
ALONG THE WEST WALL ARE REALLY GREAT WINDOWS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE THE ORIGINAL PANES OF GLASS IN THEM, AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY CAN BE SALVAGED.
THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ALONG THE INTERIOR.
SHOWING PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION AND THE TRUE SIZE LUMBER UP HERE.
THIS NOT ONLY THE TRUSSES, BUT ALSO THESE ONE BY TEN PLANKS ALSO APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL.
AND ARE GIVEN THE COST OF LUMBER TODAY, HOPING THAT WE CAN SALVAGE SOME OF IT.
AND THIS PHOTO IS JUST A, CLOSE UP OF.
THE SAW MARKS ON THE LUMBER, AS YOU CAN SEE, BY THE DIAMETER OF THE SAW MARKS.
THIS IS NOT A CORDLESS DEWALT CIRCULAR SAW.
THIS IS LIKE A THREE FOOT DIAMETER CIRCULAR SAW THAT WAS IN THE MILL.
AND SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR, MARK GETS BACK UP HERE.
YOU SAID THIS IS NOT THE FINAL VERSION OF THE REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED.
NO, I MEAN THE FINAL INCORPORATE ANY COMMENTS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS.
YEAH. MARK, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AND ANYTHING ELSE THE HP WOULD LIKE TO ADD, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR REALLY STICKING TO THE MEMO, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT I DO THAT.
SO, THE BACKGROUND AND DISCUSSION IS THAT IT'S A PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF A HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL HOME, LATER CONVERTED TO A COMMERCIAL USE.
MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH, REMEMBER IT AS OREGANO'S.
IT IS, THE HOME THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, KNOWN AS THE PARIS HOUSE.
PARIS, AS JOSH HAS COVERED QUITE WELL AND IS ALSO COVERED, THE WAY IT'S PROGRESSED AND HOW IT WAS MOVED AND DOCUMENTATION THAT'S IN THE REPORT ITSELF, IT IS ONE OF THE FEW SURVIVING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY, AND IT HAS DIRECT ASSOCIATION WITH A WELL-KNOWN AND BELOVED EMPLOYEE OF THE RIORDANS.
THEY ACTUALLY MADE A POINT TO IN THE HISTORY OF THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY.
THEY PULL HIM OUT AS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON.
THAT WAS VERY MUCH A PART OF THE COMPANY AS WELL.
AS YOU CAN SEE THAT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY PART OF THE FAMILY.
SO IT'S AN EASY WAY TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
I FELT IT WAS REQUIRED AS A PHASE ONE AND THAT THERE WOULD BE COMMENSURATE MITIGATION FOR THE LOSS OF THE HOME, AS WELL AS ITS ASSOCIATION WITH RIORDAN STATE PARK OF A FACILITY REPRESENTING FLAGSTAFF EXTREMELY LARGE LUMBER COMPANY. THE HISTORY ACTUALLY NOTES AND CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE TWO THIRDS OF THE EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SANBORN MAPS, THAT EXTENT OF HOW FAR IT REACHES IS JUST INCREDIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOLDING ON TO, YOU KNOW, THE ROOTS OF WHAT THIS TOWN WAS ABOUT.
I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IN THE MEMO.
10-30.30 .050 D CULTURAL RESOURCES OF FLAGSTAFF'S MUNICIPAL ZONING CODE DESCRIBES WHAT CONSTITUTES A MAJOR IMPACT TO CULTURAL RESOURCES.
IMPACTS TO RESOURCES ARE MAJOR WHEN THEY DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ALTER OR DESTROY ANY OF THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE THE RESOURCE SIGNIFICANT, INCLUDING ONE. THEY MAY DIMINISH THE INTEGRITY OF THE RESOURCE, INCLUDING ITS LOCATION, DESIGN, SETTING, MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, FEELING, AND ASSOCIATION.
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DIRECT IMPACTS IN THIS CASE ARE THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING AND THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY, INDIRECT IMPACTS FROM THE DEMOLITION OF THE PARIS HOUSE, OR THE LOSS OF ONE OF THE STOPS ON THE ESTABLISHED WALKING TOURS CONDUCTED BY RIORDAN STATE PARKS, AND AN INDIRECT IMPACT ON THE RIORDAN MANSION, A FACILITY OF STATE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES, TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER, WENT THROUGH VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES, AND REALLY, NO CLEAR ONE SUCH IS MOVING.
EXTERIOR, CAN STILL IDENTIFY THIS HOUSE.
INTERIOR HAS BEEN EXTENSIVELY MODIFIED.
THE SUBMITTED PHASE ONE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY INCLUDES, RECOMMENDED MITIGATION TO BE INSTALLED AT THE PARIS HOUSE SITE FOR MITIGATION OF DIRECT IMPACTS.
THE SUBMITTED CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY PROVIDES CENTURY HOUSE.
IT'S ATTACHED BACK ADDITIONS AND THE DETACHED GARAGE STRUCTURE.
WE DID CONDUCT A ZOOM MEETING.
WE TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED.
THAT INCLUDED MYSELF, THE CONSULTANT, THE, DAVE THAT'S HERE, HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN RECORDING, ASPECTS OF MILLTOWN.
WE DISCUSSED VARIOUS OPTIONS ON HERE.
ENDED UP WITH THE REPORT THAT YOU SEE NOW.
IT IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT BUILDING IN THE CITY THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIFE OF SALVADOR AND FLORENCE PARIS, AND IS CURRENTLY A STOP ON THE RIORDAN MANSION STATE PARK INTERPRETER TOUR, AND I HAVE PRETTY MUCH COVERED THAT, AGAIN.
IT REPRESENTS A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY, WHICH DID HOUSE ITS WORKERS AND DID USE THE RESOURCE THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY MANUFACTURING. THE INITIAL DIRECTION, WORKING WITH CHICK FIL A AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, INCLUDED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INDIRECT ADVERSE EFFECTS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE PARIS HOUSE AND POTENTIAL FOR FUNDING.
SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL, INTERPRETATION AT THE [INAUDIBLE] TO RIORDAN STATE PARK.
THE FINAL SUBMISSION OF THE PHASE ONE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.
WITH MITIGATION ONLY INCLUDES THE PARIS HOUSE PLAQUE.
THE SUBMITTED CULTURAL RESOURCE DOES NOT ADDRESS INDIRECT IMPACTS TO THE REARDON STATE PARK, A FACILITY WITH STATE SIGNIFICANCE IN ITS HISTORY AND ASSOCIATION WITH ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY.
LUMBER HISTORY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF FLAGSTAFF.
THESE ARE PLAQUES THAT ARE READILY AVAILABLE.
THEY SUPPORT TEXT AND ALSO PHOTO DOCUMENTATION.
SPECIFICATION IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND IT'S IN THE MEMO.
PHASE ONE RESEARCH AND RECREATION, WITH COMMENSURATE MITIGATION AS BEING THE MOST VALUABLE IN REDUCING MAJOR IMPACTS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES, BOTH DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS.
THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MAY CONDITION APPROVAL OF ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR INDIRECT IMPACTS TO RELATED HERITAGE RESOURCES. THAT'S.
TRYING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE MEMO AND READING TOO MUCH THERE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I BELIEVE WE WILL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER.
MICHELLE, DO WE WANT TO REVIEW DECORUM AND BASIC RULES SET ASIDE BY THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL, SINCE WE DO HAVE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TODAY.
SURE. SO FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU WILL HAVE I SEE THE TIMER SET FOR FIVE MINUTES, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY THREE MINUTES.
I JUST REVIEWED CITY COUNCIL OFFICIAL WEBSITE SAYS THREE MINUTES.
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OKAY. YEAH.SO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THERE IS A TIMER THAT YOU CAN WATCH.
IT WILL NEED TO PERTAIN TO THE TOPIC AT HAND.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU ONLINE, IF YOU CAN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND I CAN BRING YOU OFF OF MUTE AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO STATE THEIR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS.
I DON'T THINK ADDRESS, JUST THEIR FULL NAME.
SO WE JUST MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE EVERYBODY.
AND ACTUALLY, FOR THOSE OF YOU ONLINE, DO YOU PLAN ON SPEAKING OR.
AND MICHELLE, YOU'RE ON THE TIMER.
YEAH. AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE TOO.
SO EVERYONE ONLINE AND IN THE RECORDING CAN HEAR YOU.
OH, WAIT HERE. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE.
UNLESS IT'S THE TIME WE'RE GOING BELOW ME, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY SET THE TIMER.
I'VE PUT IT. I DO THE TIMER, I BELIEVE SO.
WHICH OF MY THOUSANDS OF BUTTONS DOES IT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT I CAN SET IT, BUT I CANNOT ACTUALLY GET IT GOING.
WELL, I CAN GUARANTEE I WON'T GO OVER FIVE MINUTES.
YOU'D BE SURPRISED IT GOES FAST.
OH, THANK GOD I JUST STARTED IT, BUT I'M GOING TO RESET IT.
GOT IT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TIMER RIGHT HERE.
SHE'S GOING TO START YOUR TIMER.
OKAY. WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHAT'S UP.
I'M THE PARK MANAGER AT RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK.
DEAR MEMBERS OF THE FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THIS WELL-ATTENDED WALKING TOUR LEADS GUESTS ALONG RIORDAN ROAD THROUGH THE MILTON TOWN SITE.
THE LOSS OF THE STRUCTURE WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE TOUR EXPERIENCE, THOUGH THE DEMOLITION OF THE PARIS HOUSE IS A DIRECT ADVERSE EFFECT OF THE LOSS OF THIS HISTORIC HOME, IT HAS A DIRECT EFFECT ON THE RIORDAN MANSION AND THE ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY PLACE THE MANSION WITHIN THE GREATER CONTEXT OF WORKERS HOUSING AND THE RELATIONSHIPS TO THE MILL AND THE GREATER FLAGSTAFF COMMUNITY.
ARIZONA STATE PARKS UNDERSTANDS THAT FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION PROGRAM HAS A LIMITATIONS IN THE ABILITY TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT MITIGATE THE LOSS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT FLAGSTAFF ZONING CODE CAN REQUIRE MITIGATION FOR DIRECT IMPACTS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS INDIRECT IMPACTS TO HISTORIC RESOURCES. THE LOSS OF THE PARIS HOUSE MAY BE AN INDIRECT IMPACT TO THE RIORDAN MANSION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PARIS HOME, BUT SIGNIFICANT TO OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORTS. RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK STAFF HAVE PARTICIPATED IN DISCUSSIONS REGARDING APPROPRIATE MITIGATION RELATED TO BOTH THE PARIS HOUSE AND THE EFFECTS TO BE MITIGATED BY IMPACTS TO RIORDAN MANSION INTERPRETIVE PROGRAMS. RIORDAN MANSION. STATE HISTORIC PARKS CONCERNS CONCURS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER THAT THE DEVELOPER OF THE CHICK FIL A PARKING LOT SHOULD PROVIDE A CASH ALLOCATION TO ASSIST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF INTERPRETATION AT THE ENTRANCE TO RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK, ITS CONCEPT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP TO THE PARIS HOME SITE.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? HI. SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE FORMAT.
OH. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST THE TIMERS RIGHT HERE.
AS SOON AS YOU START TALKING, IT'LL.
OKAY, THERE YOU GO. [INAUDIBLE] MY NAME IS TOM [INAUDIBLE].
NIKKI LOBER AND DAVID PORTREE, WHO I HAVE NOT MET IN PERSON.
BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL TRIBUTE, I GUESS, AND I COULDN'T HEAR REAL GOOD.
BUT IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, THE PLAN IS TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE AND THEN PUT THE PLAQUE AND HAVE A WALKING TOUR, IN ESSENCE.
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AND THAT'S REALLY THE SUMMATION OF REALLY WHAT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING IS ABOUT.OKAY. THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
IT'S A WONDERFUL TRIBUTE TO MY GRANDPARENTS, WHO I KNEW VERY WELL.
AND, I NOTICED A COUPLE ERRORS IN THIS IN THE PRESENTATION, DATE OF BIRTHS AND SO FORTH.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO VISIT WITH SOMEONE AT A LATER DATE, TO DISCUSS THAT.
SO I'LL DEFINITELY GET IN CONTACT.
AND GET HIM ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DATE CORRECTIONS.
FANTASTIC. YOUR EYES LIT UP AS SOON AS HE VOLUNTEERED TO HELP, SO THAT'S WONDERFUL.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY COMMENTS FROM ONLINE FOLKS? FROM THE PUBLIC.
DID YOU HAVE ANY? ALL RIGHT. IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DOES DECIDE THEY WANT TO TALK, JUST LET US KNOW WHILE WE'RE STILL ON THIS ITEM.
SO I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I'M GUESSING THIS ONE MIGHT HAVE QUITE A LOT.
DO WE JUST WANT TO GO ONE PERSON AT A TIME, MAYBE STARTING WITH DUFFY AND THEN COMING AROUND? THANK YOU. CHAIR.
DALE. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
I COULD SOMEONE, NIKKI OR DAVID OR SOMEONE CLARIFY BECAUSE I'M SEEING THAT PEOPLE ARE, SOMETIMES USING THE TERM MILLTOWN AND SOMETIMES USING THE NAME MILTON.
SO COULD THAT BE EXPLAINED AND MADE SURE THAT THE DOCUMENT CLEARLY REPRESENTS THE CORRECT NAME OF THE AREA? YEAH. JOSH, YOU'RE FREE TO CHIME IN ON THESE ONES TOO.
I MEAN, MILLTOWN IS THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AROUND THERE, AND IT KIND OF CHANGED FROM, YOU KNOW, TWO WORDS TO ONE WORD.
EVENTUALLY MILTON ROAD WAS NAMED AFTER MILLTOWN, AND I TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT IN THE REPORT.
YEAH, I JUST ADD THAT MY CONCERN FOR ALL MY COMMENTS IS THAT.
I'M NEVER HAPPY WHEN WE LOSE A HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND THE HISTORY THAT GOES WITH IT.
SO IF ALL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LEFT IS, IS A REPORT.
THAT REPORT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND ACCURATE, AND IT NEEDS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WILL THAT INFORMATION BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? ALL. THE REPORT THAT I SUBMIT, I BELIEVE IS PUBLICLY, AVAILABLE.
WE HAVE THEM IN OUR COLLECTION AT RIORDAN MANSION SO THEY CAN BE ACCESSIBLE.
AND WE DO HAVE DIGITAL COPIES OF THOSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED, OF COURSE, THIS IS OUT THERE, IS A SERIES OF SIGNS, NOT JUST THE TWO THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND THE IDEA OF A HISTORIC RIORDAN CORRIDOR.
SO THOSE IDEAS HAVE JUST BEEN FLOATED OUT THERE.
AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IS THAT IS TO HAVE A QR CODE ON THESE SIGNS THAT WOULD DIRECT THEM TO A WEBSITE, POSSIBLY OUR RIORDAN MANSION WEBSITE ON THE PERIOD HISTORY.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO LIVE.
I. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO MOVED THE HOUSE IN 1960? I'D LOVE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'M KEEPING TRACK.
I NOTICED. I THINK TOM SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME THE DETAILS.
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YES, PLEASE.TELL THE STORY. YOU CAN PROBABLY MOVE THE ROPE AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW IF THAT'S EASIER.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GENTLEMAN NAMED MR. PALMER, WHO MOUNTAIN DELL USED TO BE CALLED PALMERVILLE, AND HE MOVED A COUPLE OTHER HOUSES, ONE OF WHICH I ALSO LIVED IN, ADJACENT TO WHAT'S NOW MOUNTAIN DELL.
MATT RYAN OWNED IT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BUT MAYBE MR. PALMER DID. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
PARDON. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I DON'T WANT TO.
I COULD TELL YOU LOTS OF STORIES.
THEY MY GRANDPARENTS LEASED THAT, ON A LONG TERM LEASE AND, TO THE GAS STATION, YOU KNOW, THE CORNER THAT WAS THERE IN ANY WAY. THEY, DID THAT, AND IT WAS ABOUT A 20 YEAR LEASE, I THINK, FOR ALMOST NOTHING.
BUT THAT'S WHEN THEY MOVED THE HOUSE OVER.
AND, MY MEMORIES GO BACK TO WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE CORNER.
DO YOU HAVE, AM I ON A CLOCK? I'LL TELL YOU ONE QUICK STORY.
MY MOTHER, WHO'S STILL LIVING, SHE'S 96 YEARS OLD.
HELEN, SHE TELLS THE STORY ABOUT, WHEN MILTON ROAD WAS JUST A TWO WAY STREET.
MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER LIVED ACROSS.
AND THEN MY GRANDPARENTS WERE ON THE CORNER, AND THERE WAS A CULVERT THAT RAN UNDER THE ROAD.
BUT THE PARENTS HOUSE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER.
BUT MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER, BURNHAM HOUSE, DID.
SO ONE SUMMER, BOBBY, WHO DIED IN THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE, MY GREAT UNCLE, THEY ATTACHED A HOSE TO A CAT, SOMEHOW A WATER HOSE.
AND THEN THEY GOT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND CALLED KITTY AND THAT CAT, THEY LURED IT ALL THE WAY UNDER THAT, YOU KNOW, SMALL MILTON ROAD THROUGH A CULVERT, AND THEN THEY COULD TURN ON THE WATER AND GRANDMA COULD HAVE WATER.
SO IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT ON MILTON ROAD TODAY.
JOSH WILL BE GETTING STORIES FROM YOU LATER, I'M SURE.
ALL RIGHT. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? HAVING A DIRECT SOURCE.
OKAY. THIS IS JUST INCREDIBLE.
SO. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
YES. OTHER QUESTIONS, A FEW MORE THINGS.
BUT IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THE CONTEXT OF THE HOUSE WITH THE MANSION AND THE MILL, BECAUSE THAT WAS ITS OWN TOWN AND THEY COMPETED WITH FLAGSTAFF, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS THAT, WHEN YOU FINISH THE REPORT, PLEASE MAKE THE FIGURE EX ON A FEW OF THESE, ILLUSTRATIONS RELATE TO THE CORRECT ONE BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN FINISHED, AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE REFERENCING.
THE SANBORN MAPS DO CALL IT MILL TOWN AND FLAGSTAFF.
SO IT WAS THAT LARGE AND THAT EXTENSIVE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER HAYES.
YES. I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE IN THE REPORT AND THE MAPS, AS DUFFY MENTIONED, THAT RELATE TO THE ASSOCIATION WITH RIORDAN MANSION, PUTS IT IN A BIGGER CONTEXT. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED MORE EXPANDED ON IN THE REPORT.
I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT CAN WE SEE BEFORE APPROVING THIS STUDY, SOME OF THE POTENTIAL MITIGATION MEASURES FOR RIORDAN MANSION? SEE SOME DRAWINGS AND EXAMPLES, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A PLAQUE IS THE MINIMUM THAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR A RESOURCE THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE STATE.
THIS THE STATE CONSIDERED THIS RESOURCE.
RIORDAN MANSION IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE A STATE PARK.
AND, THE TIMBER INDUSTRY IN FLAGSTAFF DIDN'T AFFECT JUST FLAGSTAFF.
AND THIS IS A STORY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT FLAGSTAFF.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I LIVED HERE TO GO TO NAU.
I HAD NO IDEA OF THE WHOLE RICH HISTORY OF LOGGING IN FLAGSTAFF.
I'VE SEEN ONE DOWNTOWN FOR ROUTE 66 AND A PATH YOU CAN FOLLOW.
I LOVE THE IDEA GOING TO THE WEBSITE.
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I'VE DONE THOSE KIND OF THINGS MYSELF AND LIKE NEW ORLEANS, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.YEAH, I'VE HEARD MENTIONED MAPS AND BOARD MAPS.
SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, LARGER PROJECTS.
WE'VE WORKED ON CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDIES.
IT'S SO EXTENSIVE, SO PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD BUILDING.
THE GIANT BUILDING WAS THE SIZE OF THE MILL, THE DRYING YARD REACHED FROM THE STANDARD ALL THE WAY TO THE ATHLETIC CLUB, ALL THE WAY UP ROUTE 66.
THE RAILROAD THAT WENT OUT TO LAKE MARY IS JUST THE PICTURES THEY HAVE AT THE STATE PARK.
ABSOLUTELY LINED ALL THE WAY WITH, TREES THAT HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN, WAITING TO BE MILLED.
I DID A PROJECT WHERE THEY DID A HALF TONE OF A MAP BEHIND THE TEXT, WHICH WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.
SO. I'M LISTENING TO SUGGESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER HAYES? NO. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER HORN.
THANKS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
A HIGHER LEVEL THAN LOCAL SIGNIFICANCE, YOU MEAN? YEAH. I WONDERED IF YOU CONSIDERED STATE SIGNIFICANCE JUST BASED ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE MANSION AND THE COMPANY.
I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT AT A LOCAL LEVEL, AND I RECOMMEND IT AS SIGNIFICANT AT ALSO A STATE LEVEL.
ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE THAT SHIPPO WOULD AGREE WITH ME.
AND IN THIS CASE, SINCE THIS REPORT IS THE END ALL WITH MITIGATION FOR IT, IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT, BUT I DO THINK IT IS SIGNIFICANT AT A STATE LEVEL. YES.
OKAY, THANKS. MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THE SALVAGED MATERIAL GO? AND, LIKE, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK FOR REPURPOSING THAT? I AM NOT USUALLY INVOLVED IN THAT.
THAT'S USUALLY WITH THE CITY AFTER I'M DONE WITH MY REPORTS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THAT HOUSE, I WOULD SURE WANT TO SEE A LOT OF IT SALVAGED.
AND I'M SURE THAT THE, PROJECT PROPONENT IS OPEN TO DIFFERENT IDEAS OF WHERE TO SALVAGE THAT.
AND THAT'S OFTENTIMES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT THE MATERIALS.
AND IF IT'S BACK MY WAY, COMMISSIONER HORN, IT'S, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF REALLY, ORCHESTRATING THAT, BUT, FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE DEVELOPER, THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT SALVAGE, SO.
AND IT WAS UNIQUE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
I THERE IS A UNIQUE ASPECT TO THOSE WINDOWS.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE COUNTERBALANCE MECHANISM THAT'S ON THAT.
IT'S THIS STRANGE SPRING TYPE OF THING.
SO THERE IS SOME UNIQUE ASPECTS TO THAT.
AND WHO'D BE WILLING TO RESTORE THAT OR UTILIZE IT IN SOME WAY IS AN INTERESTING IDEA.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION OR HOW IT WOULD WORK.
I'M GOING WITH WHAT I THINK WE CAN DO AS FAR AS ACCEPTING THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, CONSIDERING THE MITIGATION, AND IT IS ONLY MITIGATION PROPOSED IN THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY JUST FOR THE PARASITE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DISCUSSED TO HAVE, ADDITIONAL MITIGATION.
AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF MY READING OF MY EXTENSIVE MEMO, THAT IS YOUR OPTION AS COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, BEYOND WHAT I JUST WENT OVER. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S MY FINAL COMMENT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO. THAT'S IT. THANKS.WAS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO.
WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OR IT HAD BEEN MOVED ONCE BEFORE AND WE TRY ABOUT EVERYTHING.
SO, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT YOU TRY PRETTY INSTANTLY.
I DID TALK TO NIKKI ABOUT THAT.
SHE WORKED AT TRYING TO DO THAT WITHIN HER SYSTEM.
BUT WE'RE ALL WITHIN A SYSTEM AND WE HAVE LIMITATIONS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRIED.
BUT WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
SO I TRY ABOUT EVERYTHING AND WE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING TO TRY TO PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE HERE.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KIND OF WANTED TO ADD ON TO THAT.
I AGREE THAT MAYBE SOME MORE MAPS, SOME MORE DESCRIPTION CONNECTING MILLTOWN TO THE RIORDAN HISTORY BECAUSE LIKE YOU HAD SAID, LIKE THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS HAD SAID, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT HISTORY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I LEARNED A LOT OF FLAGSTAFF HISTORY EARLY ON.
SO. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE NECESSARILY HAPPY WHEN A DEMOLITION OCCURS.
YEAH, SAD TO SEE IT GO, BUT IF WE CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH INFORMATION AND SIGNIFICANCE AS POSSIBLE WHILE YET TRYING TO HAVE AS MUCH EXPOSURE TO THE HISTORY, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF QR CODES HAVING SOMETHING AT REARDON.
YEAH HAVING MORE THAN A PLAQUE WOULD CERTAINLY BE NICE.
SO YES, I AGREE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THAT, ON THOSE STATEMENTS.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
HE'S HERE. AND HE WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WAS, OH, YES, OF COURSE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT QUESTION YOU'RE ANSWERING.
RIGHT. MY NAME IS DAVID PORTREE.
TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WERE CONNECTED WITH THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
FIRST OFF, I PROMISED TOM [INAUDIBLE] SOME WOOD FROM THE HOUSE.
THE OTHER THING IS WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE MAPS.
MILTON RIORDAN ROAD WAS REALLY MAIN STREET FOR MILTON.
THERE'S VERY FEW TRACES OF THAT LEFT.
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE DOLAN HOUSE.
AT THE OTHER END IS THE REARDON MANSION.
IN BETWEEN IT'S THE PARIS HOUSE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A TREE THAT HAS AN INSULATOR ON IT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM THAT THE RIORDAN ESTABLISHED FOR MILTON.
THE FIRST ONE IN WHAT'S NOW FLAGSTAFF.
I MYSELF WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT JUST A PANEL AT REARDON AND NOT JUST A PANEL AT THE PARIS HOUSE SITE, BUT RATHER PANELS AT SEVERAL PLACES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LOCATION OF THE MILL TO ESTABLISH A CORRIDOR AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND THEN AUGMENT THAT OVER TIME.
AND I THINK THAT A COMPANY WITH A WELL PAID, WELL PAYING, STORE IN FLAGSTAFF MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN TYING INTO THAT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMMISSIONERS BEFORE I TAKE MY TURN? ALL RIGHT. JOSH, QUESTION FOR YOU ARE ANY OF THE IMAGES AND GREAT JOB FINDING IMAGES.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE WHO PROVIDED THOSE.
THEY WERE GREAT. ARE ANY OF THOSE IMAGES SHOWING THE HOUSE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY IMAGES OF THE HOUSE.
AND THOSE WERE ALL PROVIDED BY NIKKI AND DAVE.
OKAY. JUST SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE HOUSES IN THEM.
AND I JUST IT MIGHT BE NICE TO CLARIFY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE HOUSE.
SO MAYBE I GLOSSED OVER THAT SENTENCE I WISH I WISH WE DID.
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MY SECOND QUESTION IS, AFTER THE PARIS'S, DIED, MOVED OUT, WHAT WAS THE TRAJECTORY OF THE HOUSE AFTER THAT? DID IT STAY IN THE FAMILY FOR A WHILE OR.I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THEY MOVED OUT, AND I'M NOT.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN EXACTLY THEY MOVED OUT.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOME GREAT INFORMATION TO ADD IN THERE.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM INTERVIEWS AND, AUGMENT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS TO GO FROM LIKE 1987 TO OREGANOS, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF HAPPENED IN THAT IN-BETWEEN SPACE OF HOW THE HOUSE LIKE, WHEN DID THAT PARKING LOT GET BUILT UP AROUND IT? LIKE, DID IT HAVE A YARD, AND WHAT OTHER KINDS OF CHANGES TOOK PLACE TO THE HOUSE? IF ANYBODY KNOWS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I KNOW IN THE 90S. IT WOULD BE GREAT.
IT WAS A GERMAN RESTAURANT IN THE 90S.
I REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS IF THERE IS A PARKING LOT OVER IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DESTROYING A HOUSE, COULD THERE BE ARTIFACTS OR OTHER REMNANTS OF THE PARIS FAMILY UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT THAT MIGHT GET MARKED AS MADE A HORRIBLE FACE? THAT MIGHT BE DISTURBED? OR THAT A CERTAIN HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGIST AT NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT.
THAT'S ME. SO IT WOULD JUST IF WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE PARKING LOT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, AND MAYBE THIS IS PART OF JUST LIKE A DIFFERENT PART OF THIS STUDY, BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOW DEMOLITION AND.
YOU KNOW, THE SITE COULD BE DISTURBED AND FIND OTHER STUFF UNDERNEATH.
MARK. IT WOULD BE, WHAT IT'S MOVED.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, WAS AGREEABLE, WAS SALVAGE.
YOU KNOW, OF IF IT'S KIND OF A DISASSEMBLING OF THE BUILDING, YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
IS THAT GOING TO BE SO? I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? BECAUSE THIS CURRENT AGENDA ITEM APPEARS TO BE APPROVING THIS STUDY AND MITIGATION.
ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK PLAQUES AND THINGS FOR US TO APPROVE OR LOOK AT, OR IS THAT JUST ALL GOING TO BE PART OF THIS? ARE WE GOING TO LIKE HEAR BACK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION? YOU CAN YEAH.
SO YOU COULD TAKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER, WHICH IS THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY WITH A MITIGATION AT ONLY ONE PLAQUE SITE.
OR YOU CAN EXPAND UPON THAT, AS I INDICATED.
BASED UPON THAT, I THINK IT'S AN INDIRECT IMPACT TO PROPERTY, THE RIORDAN MANSION.
SO BASICALLY, YOU WOULD WANT US TO APPROVE THIS STUDY WITH SOME OF THE POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS AND ADDITIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND THEN A MITIGATION ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MINIMUM OF THE PLAQUE THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE OKAY WANTS TO TAKE.
AND AGAIN, I WAS VERY CAREFUL TO DO IT IN A MEMO FORM.
IT'S NOT A STAFF REPORT AND THERE ISN'T A FORMAL, RECOMMENDED MOTION ON HERE.
OKAY. AGAIN, WE'RE ALL BEING VERY CAREFUL WITH WORDS TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY BE INVOLVED.
AND I CAN SEE THAT THERE'S CONCERNS.
YES. SO I MEAN, WOULD PART OF THAT MOTION ALLOW US TO AND THIS I GUESS COULD BE A QUESTION FOR MICHELLE TO BRING LIKE MITIGATION BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL IN SOME SORT OF FASHION.
WE DID SHARE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, AND ACTUALLY THE CONSULTANT DID THE MITIGATION PLAQUE ON THE MAY HICKS HOME. AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS SHARED.
SO 250 WORDS, SOME UNIQUE PHOTOS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IN MY RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT A PLAQUE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST NOT SAYING DO A PLAQUE.
WE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS FOR WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND YOU COULD ASK TO REVIEW IT SO THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO BEYOND JUST WHAT I PUT IN OKAY.
BUT WOULD WE BE GETTING REPORTS AND CONSULTATIONS BEFORE DESTRUCTION.
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LIKE IF THEY DO FIND ARTIFACTS UNDER THERE, IS THAT COMING BACK TO YOU OR US? ARE THEY GOING TO NEED TO DO A SECTION 106? THEY'RE NOT USING FEDERAL FUNDING.PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
YEAH. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT BEING IN THE RIORDAN EDITION MIGHT.
THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE.
AND IF THEY DECIDE TO SALVAGE THINGS, THEY DECIDE TO SALVAGE THINGS.
YEAH, OKAY. I THINK THOSE WERE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE COME UP FOR COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IF WE ASK THAT THERE BE ADDITIONAL MITIGATION FOR INDIRECT EFFECTS TO THE REARDON MANSION, IS THERE ANY GUARANTEE THAT WOULD HAPPEN OR CAN WE ASK TO SEE THE REPORT AFTER THAT'S INCLUDED? WELL, YOUR DECISION IS, DICTATES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION OR NOT.
SO THE COMPLIANCE IS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE CONSIDER, HERITAGE PROPERTIES.
SO ONE OF THOSE MAJOR THINGS IS DOING A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.
AND PER MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE COMMENSURATE MITIGATION.
WHAT'S THAT TERM COMMENSURATE? THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION AT HAND I THINK.
YOU COULD DELAY IT LIKE WE'VE DONE ON STAFF REPORTS.
YOU COULD ASK TO SEE IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE CORRECTIONS NEXT MONTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU COULD CONSIDER.
THERE'S SOME NEW DESCENDANTS TO INTERVIEW AND GET CORRECT INFORMATION FROM.
YEAH. OR DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AS A COMMISSION, OR IS ANYONE READY TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION? MAY I ADD THAT? OH, YES. JOSH, ONE MORE THING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REPORT SO THAT THE PROPONENT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION AND THEN HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL MITIGATION MEASURES APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.
IS THERE ANY LIKE KEY REASON YOU WOULD PREFER IT THAT WAY? OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE CHICK FIL A WOULD LIKE A PARKING LOT FASTER? THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHY.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE MAKING A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT.
NO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE YOUR CLIENT.
I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE]WAS SEARCHING FOR THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION NOT TO APPROVE THE REPORT AT THIS TIME, UNTIL WE SEE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MITIGATION MEASURES FOR DIRECT IMPACTS TO RIORDAN MANSION AND A LITTLE BIT OF CREATIVE MITIGATION MEASURES.
DOES IT NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT? LIKE SPECIFIC THINGS WE WANT TO SEE IN.
SO I GUESS IT WAS A MOTION TO DELAY THE DECISION.
IF I CAN, I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU DO PROVIDE VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT.
HAS ANYONE BEEN KEEPING NOTES? POSSIBLY JOSH, BUT OR MAYBE DUFFY OF SPECIFIC THINGS.
I THINK MARK HAS BEEN KEEPING NOTES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR NAMING HIM ONE, BY THE WAY.
SO DO WE HAVE LIKE A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE REPORT THAT WE COULD INCLUDE IN OUR PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF WHY WE'RE DENYING THE REPORT, I THINK THE MITIGATION PART MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE, JUST BASED ON THE NUMBER OF OPTIONS PEOPLE HAVE PRESENTED US WITH A WALKING TOUR, QR CODES.
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OH, THAT ALSO SORRY, NIKKI.MOVING UP TO, LIKE, HAVE YOU HEARD OF LOUIE'S LEGACY AT NAU? WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? HAVE YOU HEARD OF LOUIE'S LEGACY AT NAU? I HAVE HEARD OF IT. THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING MODEL TO USE.
BASICALLY, ALL THEIR BUILDINGS HAVE QR CODES, AND THEN THEY TAKE YOU TO LIKE A CAMPUS NEWSPAPER, ARTICLES ABOUT BUILDINGS AND EVENTS AND LIKE PHOTOGRAPHS. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO USE AS A MODEL FOR WALKING CODE.
SORRY. THANK YOU. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE QR CODES AND THAT REMINDED ME OF THAT.
THANK YOU. ANYWAY WITH THAT? WOULD THAT HELP MICHELLE AND JOSH AND MARK? I WOULD LIKE JOSH TO SPEAK, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M HEARING A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING I'M OBSERVING IS THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT A SERIES OF SIGNS.
I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR.
WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT CHICK-FIL-A PROVIDES? I MEAN, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SAYING THAT THEY PROVIDE 12 SIGNS OR IS IT A SERIES OF 12 SIGNS THAT RIORDAN PARK IS PARTICIPATING IN? I THINK JUST BEING VERY CLEAR OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS.
AND THEN I WOULD WELCOME JOSH TO ADD ANYTHING OR THE APPLICANT.
IT LOOKS LIKE, SOMEONE HAS THEIR HAND UP.
STEADY. FOR THAT IS MAGGIE, WHO IS MY CLIENT.
AND I WOULD SAY FOR THE CHANGES TO REPORT THAT ANYONE WANTS SOMETHING WRITTEN DOWN.
SO I COULD MAKE SURE AND CHECK THOSE OFF WOULD BE WOULD BE FINE.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TO SPEAK.
GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THIS, REPORT THAT, WE, ENGAGED JOSH TO WORK ON OUR BEHALF.
AND I AM A CONSULTANT FOR CHICK FIL A, AND THE BACK STORY OF THIS LOVELY PROPERTY THAT WE'VE LEASED FROM OUR LANDLORD WAS IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND, ALLEVIATE SOME PARKING ISSUES THAT WERE HAVING ON OUR EXISTING SITE AND SERVICING THE GUESTS OF FLAGSTAFF, WHICH WE TRULY APPRECIATE ALL THE TENANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH AND GRACE, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR MITIGATION AND CHICK FIL A, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEM IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE MITIGATION. WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH IS HOW LONG THIS MAY STRETCH OUT.
WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THIS WAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING, AND WE DID A PRE-APPLICATION HEARING WITH THE CITY, AND THEY DID NOT MAKE US AWARE EITHER THAT THIS WAS A HISTORICAL BUILDING.
AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO PULL TOGETHER FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THESE STANDARDS ON, ON SUCH A, SUCH AN IMPRESSIVE BUILDING WITH SUCH AN IMPRESSIVE HISTORY. AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW FAR WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THIS BEFORE I CAN ACTUALLY CLOSE THIS PROJECT WITH MY CLIENT.
MARK AND MICHELLE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO BACK? I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE I'M SAYING THIS.
THE BACKGROUND WORK SO THAT WHEN WE APPROVE.
AS JOSH IS FINISHING THE PLAN, THEY CAN GET ALL THE PAPERWORK IN PLACE.
SO THERE WERE NOT REALLY HOLDING THEM UP VERY LONG AT ALL.
SO CAN THAT BE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, THAT COULD BE A PART OF YOUR MOTION TO DO THAT.
OR IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TOO LATE, NOT APPROVE.
MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
IF YOU'RE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL MITIGATION.
TO WHAT LEVEL? HOW MUCH? YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED WE'VE DISCUSSED CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, SO BEING VERY SPECIFIC ON THAT SO THEY CAN STILL DO ALL THE PAPERWORK NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE BUILDING SO THAT THE MINUTE WE APPROVE IT, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, AGAIN, I'M INFORMED OF ANY
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DEVELOPMENT THAT TAKES PLACE.SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T INVENTORIED EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE REASON FOR ME BEING HERE, LOOKING INTO THINGS AND ASKING FOR SOMETIMES JUST SOMETHING SIMPLE, LIKE A LETTER REPORT TO CONFIRM WHETHER THE BUILDING DOES HAVE A HISTORY OR NOT.
SO, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE DELAY APPROVAL UNTIL NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE CLIENT CAN WORK ON THAT REPORT AND GET ALL THEIR DEMOLITION PAPERWORK IN ORDER FOR US TO WHEN WE APPROVE IT NEXT MONTH TO GET GOING.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS THING OUT FOREVER EITHER.
ROBUST CONSIDERATIONS OF MITIGATION BEYOND ONE PLAQUE MIGHT BE IN ORDER IN A MONTH.
MIGHT GIVE US SOME TIME TO DO THAT.
DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE TO COMMISSION AND HBO AND ALSO, IF YOU COULD BE SPECIFIC ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HIGH LEVEL OF RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION IN THE REPORT.
THERE WERE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY A WILLINGNESS FOR THE CONSULTANT, JOSH WITH CORNERSTONE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ASPECT. SO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY I SEE IS IF WE COULD BE VERY SPECIFIC ON ACCEPTANCE OF THAT AND WHAT WE'D WANT TO ADJUST ON IT.
CAN WE JUST START MAKING A LIST OF THE THINGS AND THEN PUT IT IN A MOTION? ONE. CAN WE ALSO JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS IN REFERENCE TO THE LIST, SO WE DON'T EX'S HAVE TO LIST THEM ALL? OKAY, SO I THINK DUFFY MENTIONED THE SEVERAL FIGURE IN TEXT THAT NEED TO BE.
CAN SOMEONE WRITE THINGS DOWN? I SOMEHOW DON'T HAVE MARK IS TAKING NOTES.
OKAY, SO HE WILL BE DOCUMENTING.
YEAH. SO ALL THE FIGURE EX'S AND TEXTS NEED TO BE AMENDED.
IF THERE COULD BE A NOTE THAT NONE OF THE PICTURES DEPICT THE HOUSE, WE'D LIKE MAPS THAT INCLUDE A CLEARER CONNECTION TO MILL TOWN, THE MILL AND REARDON MANSION.
THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SAID.
CAN I JUST ADD QUICKLY THAT IT'S UNLIKELY IT'LL BE HEARD NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE THE DEADLINE IS IN JUST A FEW DAYS? DEADLINE FOR WHAT? ME TO TURN IN THE REPORT TO MARK TO HAVE IT HEARD NEXT MONTH.
CAN THAT BE EXTENDED? [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN'T EXTEND THAT.
JOSH. AT A MINIMUM, ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU CAN GET US THAT, WE CAN ACCEPT THAT.
I'LL DO MY BEST. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REQUEST THAT JOSH GET TOGETHER WITH MR. EICKMEYER TO CONFIRM ACCURACY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE AND ACCURATE.
WAS THAT EVERYTHING ON OUR LIST? MARK ONE.
MARK YARNELL, ADMIN SPECIALIST FOR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE ON MY LIST WAS THE IMAGING OF THE HOUSE MAPS AND THEN WORKING WITH THE DESCENDANTS ON FURTHER INFORMATION, ACCURATE DATES AND SO FORTH.
OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE FOUR ISH THINGS.
AND THEN ON THE TO CLARIFY THE MITIGATION, WE HAVE ONE PLAQUE THAT'S PROPOSED BY THE REQUEST AND I'M HEARING THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL, WE HAD TESTIMONY THAT WE TALKED A BIGGER CONCEPT.
I MEAN, COULD IT JUST BE SOMETHING AS EXPLORE AN EXPANSION OF THE PLAQUES TO THE RIORDAN CORRIDOR?
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AND IS THAT WHAT YOU THE PHRASE YOU USED? HE SAYS MAYBE, AND, USE OF QR CODES.OR IS THAT TOO VAGUE? IS THERE A NUMBER THAT WE'D FIND ACCEPTABLE FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER HAYES. CAN WE ASK THE RIORDAN MANSION? WHO KNOWS THE THE AREA A MUCH BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT? TO HELP TELL THAT STORY.
AUDIENCE MEMBERS ARE SAYING FIVE, I BELIEVE.
WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH MY SUPERIORS, I CAN'T GIVE AN OFFICIAL NUMBER.
THAT WOULD BE THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM ARIZONA STATE PARKS.
WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS AN ADDITIONAL PLAQUE AT THE PARK ENTRANCE AT RIORDAN MANSION.
THE CONCEPT OF THE RIORDAN CORRIDOR? YES. VOLUNTEERS OF RIORDAN MANSION THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND ONE OF THOSE BEING DAVE PORTREE, WHO IS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN RESEARCHING THE TOWN SITE OF MILTON.
AND THE IDEA OF ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL PLAQUE CONVERSATION, WE WERE DREAMING AND WE HAD ACTUALLY, CAME UP WITH A LIST OF POTENTIALLY 20 PLAQUES AROUND THE AREA OF RIORDAN ROAD, ROUTE 66, INCLUDING A PLAQUE UP ON MARS HILL WITH A VIEW OF THE HISTORIC POSTCARD VIEW OF LOOKING DOWN ON THE MILL.
SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THE MITIGATION OF THE PARIS HOUSE, VERSUS AN ENTIRE IDEA OF INTERPRETIVE CORRIDORS THAT, COULD BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
WELL, THEN IN THAT CASE, MAYBE JOSH OR HIS CLIENT CAN ANSWER HOW MUCH IS THE CLIENT WILLING TO PROVIDE? BECAUSE FIVE SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER.
BUT WHEN YOU SAID THE OVERLOOK FROM MARS FROM MARS HILL, THAT WOULD REALLY HELP CAPTURE, THAT STORY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE.
I'M A MEMBER OF LOWELL OBSERVATORY.
WE GO UP THERE LIKE ONCE A MONTH AT LEAST.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT OVERBURDENING THE PROPERTY OR CHICK FIL A OR WHATEVER? AND, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WORKING WITH RIORDAN MANSION TO EXPAND THIS INTO A WHOLE CITY.
EMPHASIS ON THIS IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR HISTORY AND NOT PUT IT ALL ON ONE PERSON, BECAUSE REALLY, IT'S THE STORY OF MILTON AND FLAGSTAFF AND IT'S NOT. THE PARIS HOUSE IS ONE THING.
AND THAT RELATIONSHIP RIORDAN MANSION, BUT THE WHOLE LOGGING AND IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF EACH OTHER AND GIVING A HOUSE TO A FAMILY, ALL THOSE THINGS TO ME IS MORE A FLAGSTAFF STORY.
COMMISSIONER HORN. I AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED EITHER TO SOME SORT OF EXPLORATION OF, DIGITAL ASPECT.
IF THERE IS LIKE A QR CODE IN ASSOCIATION THAT MIGHT TAKE YOU TO PHOTOS OF, YOU KNOW, MILLTOWN, AND HOUSING, AND THAT'S NOT, MUCH MORE THAN A COUPLE PLAQUES.
YEAH, I GUESS MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THE QR ON THOSE TWO PLAQUES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
CAN WE INCLUDE IN OUR MOTION THAT WE ARE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THEIR DESIRES? THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.
OUR INTENT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RECORD OF THIS IMPORTANT PROPERTY AND FAMILY.
I THINK JUST HAVING IT ON THE RECORD IS ENOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING?
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I'LL ASSUME THAT'S A NO.OKAY. DOES THAT HELP? I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR.
OKAY. ON THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, ON A FEW EDITS AND A FEW CONFIRMATION AND THEN PROPOSING, TWO PLAQUES, ONE AT THE SITE, ONE AT, THE RIORDAN MANSION AND AGAIN, THERE WAS QR CODE.
SO WE WANT PROFESSIONAL WRITING.
AS IN APPROPRIATE MITIGATION OF THE DISCUSSION, HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE EXPERTISE AT THE MANSION THAT THEY CAN TIE THE PARIS HOUSE TO WHAT THEY DO, AND MAKE SURE THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE INTRODUCTION TO THE MANSION TO START WITH.
SO THAT WAS PART OF EARLY DISCUSSION.
YES. AND TO LINK THE PARIS HOUSE TO THE LARGER RIORDAN STORY CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION COMMENTS? YES. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, I JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT I'VE NEVER DONE A QR CODE.
WELL, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY ONE CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING A QR CODE ON IT IS IF THAT SERVER GOES DOWN OR REARDON MANSION CHANGES THEIR WEB DIRECTORY, THEN THAT LINK IS JUST DEAD. SO.
AND WHAT MOST PEOPLE, YEAH, IS AN INDIVIDUAL.
YEAH. AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITH YOU CAN PRINT A NEW STICKER AND ADD IT.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AT A SITE WHERE WE HAD TO PRINT THE NEW STICKERS, BUT THEY WEATHER WHEN THEY'RE A STICKER AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM UP, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND CHECK THEM AND PUT NEW STICKERS ON.
THE ONES I'VE SEEN ARE ACTUALLY ANODIZED ALUMINUM THAT HAVE A PRETTY SOLID MOUNTING ABILITY.
ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY TO DO THIS? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO GIVE IT A TRY? COMMISSIONER HORN.
I MOVE TO DELAY THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROPOSAL PENDING, EDITS TO THE REPORT AS CAPTURED IN THE MINUTES, AND THE INCLUSION OF A SECOND MITIGATION PLAQUE AT RIORDAN MANSION, WITH BOTH PLAQUES TO BE DEVELOPED IN CONSULTATION WITH RIORDAN MANSION AND IDEALLY TO INCLUDE A QR CODE WITH SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
ALL RIGHT. A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HORN.
A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT MOTION? LOGISTICALLY. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WERE YOU ABLE TO CAPTURE COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM'S VOTE? NO. IF YOU COULD PLEASE PUT IT IN THE CHAT.
I THOUGHT WE HAD IT FIXED, BUT I CAN'T FIX IT ON MY END.
I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT SHE'S PUT IN THE CHAT, [INAUDIBLE] SHE'S IN SUPPORT.
OKAY. THOUGHT YOU SAID NAY.[INAUDIBLE] BOTH YAY AND AYE.
AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYONE FOR THE HARD WORK.
AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE NEXT DRAFT OF THIS AND THE NEW KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE REVEALED AND TO, I THINK, TO PUTTING ON THE FACT THAT THE RIORDAN MANSION STAFF SHOULD BE PART OF THE MITIGATION IS IMPORTANT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE, FOR THAT MOTION.
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ANYTHING ON THESE, TWO APPROVALS AND CONSULTATION YOU'D LIKE TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION? MARK? MADAM CHAIR, I'LL BE VERY QUICK.SO WHEN THERE'S AN OVERLAY, I LOOK AT IT, I'M MAKING SURE, EVEN THESE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, RE-ROOFS.
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BUT I MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING DONE RIGHT.THE LAST CONSULTATION WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M ON ALL THE INTERNAL REVIEWS, FOR, HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT LAY OUTSIDE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
ONE ASPECT THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO OUR HISTORY IS ROUTE 66.
AND THERE WAS I DO LOOK AT THOSE ONES THAT WOULD MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THIS WAS JUST A SOLAR APPLICATION THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE FACILITY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, RE-UTILIZING OUR HISTORIC MOTELS TO PROVIDE HOUSING IS A REALLY GREAT THING.
I DO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THOSE RESOURCES.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY ITEMS TO OR FROM COMMISSION?
[8. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]
COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER? YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT.WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE CENTER OF TOWN.
REDEVELOPMENT OR CONTINUING USE OR HOWEVER WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, THERE'S UNREASONABLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE PUT ON HISTORIC.
TO SEE US LOSE A HOUSE AND THAT BUILT HISTORY.
FOR A PARKING LOT IS REALLY DISTURBING TO ME, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR TO TAKE NOTE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR BUSINESSES ON THEIR SITE, SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER BUSINESSES JUST FOR PARKING LOTS, AND JUST BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST OR LAST TIME BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DOWNTOWN.
AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT PEOPLE DRIVE.
AND I KNOW I'M IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING IT.
ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, I ADJOURN BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AT 5:54 P.M..
EVERY TIME. IT'S FUN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.