Jan 23, 2024 City Council Work Session

HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

SWEET. HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. WILL YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? OH, YEAH. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

THE MISSION OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS, OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THE FLAG. THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAIN, SACRED MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE IS HOME.

MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

[4. Public Participation Public Participation enables the public to address the council about items that are not on the prepared agenda. Public Participation appears on the agenda twice, at the beginning and at the end of the work session. You may speak at one or the other, but not both. Anyone wishing to comment at the meeting is asked to fill out a speaker card and submit it to the recording clerk. When the item comes up on the agenda, your name will be called. You may address the Council up to three times throughout the meeting, including comments made during Public Participation. Please limit your remarks to three minutes per item to allow everyone to have an opportunity to speak. At the discretion of the Chair, ten or more persons present at the meeting and wishing to speak may appoint a representative who may have no more than fifteen minutes to speak.]

THIS ENABLES THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE PREPARED AGENDA.

PUBLIC PARTICIPATION APPEARS ON OUR AGENDA TWICE, ONCE NOW AND ONCE AT THE END OF OUR WORK SESSION.

YOU MAY SPEAK AT ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT NOT BOTH.

ANYONE WISHING TO COMMENT AT THE MEETING IS ASKED TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE BACK, AND SUBMIT IT TO THE RECORDING CLERK.

WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP ON THE AGENDA, YOUR NAME WILL BE CALLED.

YOU MAY ADDRESS THE COUNCIL UP TO THREE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE MEETING, INCLUDING COMMENTS MADE DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

PLEASE LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE MINUTES.

AND THERE'S A LITTLE TIMER DOWN HERE AND WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC PARTICIPANT, JILL STEVENSON.

THIS FEELS LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN.

MAYOR COUNCIL.

WELL, I GUESS VICE MAYOR IS HERE TO VIRTUALLY.

OKAY. I'M JILL STEVENSON, A VOLUNTEER WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA CLIMATE CHANGE ALLIANCE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE EVERY TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING, FOR ATTENDING OTHER GROUPS MEETINGS AND DOING ALL THE STUDYING OF ISSUES TO KEEP YOURSELVES UP TO DATE. THIS MUST SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE A THANKLESS JOB, WHERE YOU'RE DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF YOU DON'T.

I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WE VOLUNTEERS WITH NASCAR ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH ANY CLIMATE RELATED ISSUES, WHICH IS A LOT OF WHAT YOU DEAL WITH.

SOME OF US ARE GOOD AT RESEARCHING.

IF, FOR INSTANCE, YOU NEED MORE FACTS ABOUT ONE OF OUR FOCUSES ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHAT KIND ARE RATED BEST, WHERE TO PURCHASE THEM, HOW TO DRIVE AND MAINTAIN THEM.

WHAT GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE, ETC..

SOME OF US ARE PERSUASIVE OR DIPLOMATIC OR FORCEFUL.

WE RUN THE WHOLE GAMUT OF HUMAN APPROACHES.

WE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO MEET WITH ANY OR ALL OF YOU TO WORK OUT PROBLEMS YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH OUR CONCERNS.

WE ARE NOT AGAINST YOU.

WE ARE FOR CLIMATE SOLUTIONS.

WE KNOW THIS IS THE MOST SERIOUS, DEVASTATING, LONG LASTING ISSUE OF THIS ANTHROPOCENE ERA.

WE INTEND YOU INTEND TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT MUST BE DONE TO DEAL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE.

WE HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

JUST AS YOU ARE WORKING WITH CITIZENS TO FORMULATE A REGIONAL PLAN.

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PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING DOWN TO ITEMS FIVE AND SIX, WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS.

[5. Proclamation: National Gun Violence Survivors Week]

THE FIRST IS NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVORS WEEK, AND THE SECOND IS CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION MONTH.

SO IF MARY AND YOUR GROUP COULD COME DOWN FOR NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVORS WEEK.

AND THEN WE HAVE PATTY IS HERE FOR CTE, AND, ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, MEET ME DOWN THERE.

THANKS. THREE.

YOU CAN FACE THEM IF YOU WANT.

WHEREAS EVERY YEAR MORE THAN 43,000 AMERICANS ARE KILLED WITH GUNS, APPROXIMATELY 76,000 MORE ARE SHOT AND WOUNDED, AND COUNTLESS OTHERS EXPERIENCE THE COLLECTIVE TRAUMA OF GUN VIOLENCE.

IN ADVANCE OF EARLY FEBRUARY, WHEN MORE AMERICANS ARE KILLED WITH GUNS THAN ARE KILLED IN OUR PEER COUNTRIES IN AN ENTIRE CALENDAR YEAR.

AND I WANT TO READ THAT AGAIN IN ADVANCE OF FEBRUARY, THE MONTH WHEN? MORE AMERICANS ARE KILLED WITH GUNS THAN ARE KILLED IN OUR PEER COUNTRIES IN AN ENTIRE CALENDAR YEAR.

A GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVOR IS ANYONE WHO HAS PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED GUN VIOLENCE.

WHETHER YOU HAVE WITNESSED AN ACT OF GUN VIOLENCE, BEEN THREATENED OR WOUNDED WITH A GUN, OR HAD SOMEONE YOU KNOW AND CARED ABOUT WOUNDED OR KILLED.

FORMS OF GUN VIOLENCE CAN INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO GUN SUICIDES, GUN HOMICIDES, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INVOLVING A GUN, SHOOTINGS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, MASS SHOOTINGS, AND UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS.

FIREARMS ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN AND TEENS.

PEOPLE IN AMERICA, IN CITIES ACROSS THE NATION, ARE WORKING TO END THE SILENT, THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE BY ADVOCATING FOR COMMON SENSE GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION BY COMMEMORATING NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVORS WEEK ON JANUARY 20TH 2ND TO JANUARY 26TH.

COMMUNITIES ACROSS AMERICA WILL RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE AND HONOR THE LIVES STOLEN BY GUN VIOLENCE.

WE RENEW OUR COMMITMENT TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE AND PLEDGE TO DO ALL WE CAN TO KEEP FIREARMS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO ARE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, AND ENCOURAGE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP TO HELP KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF DECLARES JANUARY 20TH 2ND TO JANUARY 26TH, 2024 TO BE NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVORS WEEK, WE ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THEIR COMMUNITIES EFFORTS TO PREVENT THE TRAGIC EFFECTS OF GUN VIOLENCE AND TO HONOR AND VALUE HUMAN LIVES.

AND THEN LET'S GET A PICTURE OF ALL OF US.

AND THEN WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU. PLEASE.

MY NAME IS MARY GROVE AND I'M THE FLAGSTAFF LEAD FOR MOMS DEMAND ACTION.

AND WE HAVE GROUPS IN ALL DIFFERENT STATES ALL OVER THE STATE.

WE I THINK WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT GROUPS.

AND IT'S A NATIONWIDE GROUP.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR DAGGETT AND THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.

AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE, JUST GO TO MOMS DEMAND ACTION.ORG.

OR YOU COULD ATTEND ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

WE MEET MONTHLY, USUALLY AT A LIBRARY, AND YOU CAN FIND THE EVENTS ON THAT THAT PLACE TOO.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU MARY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, PATTY, AND THE REST OF YOU, PLEASE COME DOWN.

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HELLO. HEY, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AS WELL. HELLO.

HOW ARE YOU? VERY OFFICIAL.

HI. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HI, NEIGHBOR. HELLO.

HELLO. GOOD TO SEE YOU.

COME ON UP. MAKE ROOM AS WE NEED.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

NEXT TIME. GUYS UP FRONT.

YEAH, I KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. FEBRUARY IS NATIONAL CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION

[6. Proclamation: Career and Technical Education Month]

MONTH. CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROVIDES A HOLISTIC EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE INCLUSIVE OF TECHNICAL SKILLS, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, CAREER READINESS, APTITUDES, COMMUNITY SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES, WORK BASED LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES, INDUSTRY RECOGNIZED CREDENTIALS, AND MORE.

STUDENTS WHO COMPLETE A CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAM DEMONSTRATE UNCOMMONLY HIGH PERFORMANCE ACROSS MULTIPLE ACADEMIC, CAREER, AND LIFE SKILLS METRICS, AS WELL AS BEING ADVANTAGEOUSLY POSITIONED FOR PRODUCTIVE CITIZENSHIP AND LIFE SATISFACTION.

CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION, THROUGH ADVISEMENT BY BUSINESS, INDUSTRY, AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, HELPS ADDRESS THE SKILLS AND QUALIFICATIONS GAP BY PREPARING STUDENTS TO ENGAGE IN CRITICAL, HIGH DEMAND CTE RELATED FIELDS.

FLAGSTAFF UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT CURRENTLY OFFERS 15 DIFFERENT CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS THAT REPRESENT 13 CAREER CLUSTERS, AND PREPARES STUDENTS FOR AN INCREDIBLE RANGE OF HIGH DEMAND, HIGH YIELD POST-GRADUATION OPPORTUNITIES.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, MAYOR BECKY DAGGETT, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 2024 AS CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION MONTH.

AND WOULD ONE OF YOU LIKE TO? SAY A FEW WORDS. SURE, YOU MAY HAVE TO.

REALLY? WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNITION OF OUR CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS AT FLAGSTAFF UNIFIED.

STARTING NEXT FALL, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE EXPANDING TO 17 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND THE GREAT THING IS THE THE NUTSHELL THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION AND WHY WE'RE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, IS THAT IT REALLY HOLISTICALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT FOR THEIR KIDS ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT, DEVELOPMENT OF TECHNICAL SKILLS, LEADERSHIP SKILLS, TEAMWORK, DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT HAS ABOUT NINE NAMES NOW BUT EMPLOYABILITY SKILLS, 21ST CENTURY SKILLS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ALL GET ADDRESSED IN A HOLISTIC WAY WITHIN CURRENT TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS. AND WE DO HAVE HERE TONIGHT PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME AND BE A PART OF THIS FROM ACROSS THE SPECTRUM.

IT'S NOT JUST TEACHERS THAT ARE UP HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE GUIDANCE STAFF.

WE HAVE MEMBER OF ONE OF OUR ADVISORY COUNCILS.

OUR COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCILS IS HERE.

SO WE HAVE AN EVEN SUPPORT STAFF FROM OUR, FROM OUR OFFICE THAT THAT DOES THE REAL, MASTER PUPPETEERING OF THINGS LIKE OUR FINANCES AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT CURRENT TECHNICAL EDUCATION IN OUR COMMUNITY WHENEVER AND HOWEVER YOU'RE WILLING AND ABLE.

SO THANK YOU. YES.

THANKS FOR COMING IN.

SEE YOU. GOODBYE. YES.

THANK YOU. OH.

THANK YOU. SORRY I GRABBED.

I GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

[7. January Work Anniversaries Recognition of employees celebrating work anniversaries in the month of January]

JANUARY WORK ANNIVERSARIES.

WELCOME, SHANNON.

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THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST PULLING UP THE PRESENTATION SO WE CAN BEGIN.

ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.

YEAH. GREAT.

SO TODAY WE HAVE A CELEBRATION OF OUR EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED A YEAR OF SERVICE ANNIVERSARY IN JANUARY.

WE HAVE SEVERAL FOR OUR FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY.

SO REALLY EXCITING.

WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS PARKS, REC, OPEN SPACE AND EVENTS.

CONTINUING ON, WE'VE GOT SOME FINANCE, AS WELL AS BEAUTIFICATION, EMPLOYEES, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF.

AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES IN SOLID WASTE.

AND UPSTAIRS IN OUR CMO OFFICE.

SO MOVING ON TO OUR FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARIES.

SALLY STAPLETON, SHE IS ONE OF OUR TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES OUT AT THE LIBRARY.

SHE ACTUALLY FILLS IN FOR THE GRAND CANYON LIBRARIAN WHEN THEY ARE UNABLE TO REPORT TO WORK.

AND SO SHE IS ONE OF OUR TEMPORARY STAFF THAT HELPS OUT THERE.

CONTINUING ON WITH FIVE YEARS.

MEGAN TRAVIS IS ONE OF OUR RECREATION LEADERS, IS VERY PROUD OF HER WORK AT NIU, AND SO SHE WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS PHOTO WITH YOU.

OUR TEN YEAR ANNIVERSARIES.

MANUEL SIERRA, HE'S ONE OF OUR METER TECH SUPERVISORS, SO WORKING IN MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

AMY TRESSLER, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, IS ALSO CELEBRATING HER TEN YEARS THIS MONTH.

AND OUR 25 YEAR ANNIVERSARIES.

WE'RE CELEBRATING KIM BYRNES.

I BELIEVE THAT SHE IS WITH US ONLINE, SO SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR OUR CONVERSATION.

BUT WOULD NOT BE ADDRESSING COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

SO KIM BEGAN WORKING WITH US ON JANUARY 11TH, 1999.

IN A FULL TIME CAPACITY.

PRIOR TO THIS, SHE WORKED AS A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE, MOSTLY IN PARKS AND RECREATION, AS A SCOREKEEPER, A FACILITY, SITE SUPERVISOR, AS WELL AS, CUSTOMER SERVICE, WHERE SHE THEN BEGAN HER FULL TIME CAREER, MOVING IN 1998 TO 1999. IN 2014, SHE PROMOTED AGAIN TO BECOME A BILLING SPECIALIST.

KIM HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR HER GREAT WORK HERE AT THE CITY.

WITH THE QUALITY SERVICE INCREASE IN 2004, THE MULTIPLE WONDERFUL OUTSTANDING WORKER AWARDS.

WE REFER TO THOSE AS WOWS BECAUSE IT'S RECOGNIZING AN EMPLOYEE WHO GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND.

THAT'S IN 2006, 2013, AS WELL AS 2016.

AND THEN ONE OF OUR HIGHEST AWARDS AS THE CITY MANAGER'S EXCELLENCE AWARD IN 2015.

SO KIM'S BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR HER GOOD WORK THROUGHOUT HER CAREER HERE AT THE CITY.

WE WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPRECIATE HER DEDICATION TO OUR ORGANIZATION AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, AND TO CONGRATULATE KIM ON HER 25 YEARS.

KIM, IF YOU'RE WITH US. ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANTS PLUS BEAUTIFICATION.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING DOWN.

[8. Beautification in Action Grants plus Beautification, Arts and Sciences New Program Logo Hear and see an overview of the Beautification in Action grant program, including extended outreach, recently completed projects, and a preview of 2024 projects. Hear and see the new Beautification, Arts and Sciences program logo and its uses and provide responses.]

ARTS AND SCIENCES.

NEW PROGRAM LOGO.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE KIRIHITO, AND I'M THE ART COLLECTIONS AND BEAUTIFICATION COORDINATOR HERE AT THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

AND TODAY I WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF OUR BEAUTIFICATION IN ACTION GRANT PROGRAM.

SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL HIGHLIGHT, THE GUIDELINES OF THE BEAUTIFICATION ACTION GRANTS, OUTREACH, THE APPLICATION PROCESS. I WILL ALSO FEATURE RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECTS AND HOW THEY RELATE TO CITY OF FLAGSTAFF POLICIES OR GOALS.

EXCUSE ME? POLICIES AND KEY PRIORITIES.

AND THEN I'LL ALSO PROVIDE A SNEAK PEEK OF WHAT'S IN STORE FOR 2024.

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FUNDED BY THE BED BOARD AND BEVERAGE TAX BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANTS ARE MINI GRANTS UP TO $4,500 FOR ART AND BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS TO ENHANCE FLAGSTAFF'S SPACES AND PLACES, AND THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT INITIATED BY BEAUTIFICATION, ARTS AND SCIENCES, BUT RATHER THEY ARE CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO IT IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR ARTISTS AND CREATIVES TO COMPLETE A SMALL PROJECT WITH A BIG IMPACT.

SO BEAUTIFICATION AND PUBLIC ART PROJECTS OR EXCUSE ME, ART AND BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS CAN TAKE A VARIETY OF FORMS, AND I'VE LISTED A FEW OF THEM HERE.

SO WHETHER AN APPLICANT WANTS TO APPLY TO DO A MURAL OR A SCULPTURE, OR PERHAPS A COMMUNITY GARDEN OR A POLLINATOR GARDEN, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT MUST BE A PHYSICAL PROJECT.

IN MY COMMUNICATION WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

OVER THE LAST YEAR, THERE'S OFTEN A MISCONCEPTION THAT BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANTS ARE ONLY FOR ARTISTS, AND THAT IS NOT TRUE.

YES, ARTISTS CAN APPLY, BUT ALSO COMMUNITY MEMBERS GROUPS, LOCAL BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS AND SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, JUNIOR HIGH HIGH SCHOOL AND NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY.

UNLIKE SOME, GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT CAN BE VERY INTIMIDATING OR PERHAPS OVERWHELMING, ESPECIALLY FOR A GRANT APPLICANT THAT DOES NOT HAVE GRANT WRITING EXPERIENCE.

OUR GRANTS ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, THEY'RE UNCOMPLICATED AND THEY'RE VERY ACCESSIBLE.

AND BEST OF ALL, WE HELP APPLICANTS EACH AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

WE HAVE TWO GRANT CYCLES, ONE IN THE SPRING WITH A DEADLINE OF MARCH 15TH AND ONE IN THE FALL WITH A DEADLINE OF SEPTEMBER 15TH.

AND WE ARE HELPING APPLICANTS, EVERY WEEK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO THESE ARE OUR PROGRAM GOALS FOR 2023 THAT WE SET IN 2023.

EXCUSE ME. AND THE FIRST IS TO EXPAND OUR MARKETING AND PR.

SO REALLY EXPAND OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS AND THE CONSISTENCY OF THOSE OUTREACH EFFORTS.

AND IN DOING SO, THIS WILL HELP US MEET ANOTHER GOAL, WHICH IS TO TO DIVERSIFY THE SCOPE OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE.

FINALLY, WE WANT TO FOSTER COMMUNITY CAPACITY.

THE BEAUTIFICATION AND PUBLIC ART COMMISSION, ALONG WITH STAFF, WANT TO SEE PROJECTS THAT ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, INSPIRE THE COMMUNITY, AND MOBILIZE THE COMMUNITY.

AND ENGAGING, INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING MEANS PROVIDING EDUCATION AND TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES NOT ONLY FOR THE GRANT APPLICANT, BUT FOR EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

THESE GOALS ARE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH KEY, CITY PRIORITIES.

AND THESE INCLUDE.

ENHANCING THE IMAGE AND IDENTITY AND THE UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE IN THE REGION.

SUPPORTING AND PROMOTING THE ARTS, THE SCIENCES AND EDUCATION RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL.

HELPING TO DRIVE ECONOMIC VITALITY AND FOSTERING HEALTHY COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE INSTALLED IN 2023.

THIS FIRST ONE HERE IS BY ARTIST JOEL GEIST AND JOEL IS PICTURED IN THIS IMAGE.

THIS IS FOR A TWO PART MURAL AT THE COSMIC RAY TUNNEL ON THE SHEEP CROSSING TRAIL.

THIS, THIS TUNNEL RUNS UNDER THE I-17 AND CONNECTS THE PONDEROSA TRAILS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH FORT TUTHILL.

AND THE EAST ENTRANCE PAYS HOMAGE TO THE BASQUE SHEPHERD TRADITION HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, WHILE THE WEST ENTRANCE CELEBRATES THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF MOUNTAIN BIKING PIONEER AND HIKING ENTHUSIAST COSMIC RAY.

MEMBERS OF FLAGSTAFF LEADERSHIP PROGRAM.

LAST SPRING, THEY SPENT A WEEKEND, ALONG WITH SCHOOL, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS TO REVITALIZE A NATIVE POLLINATOR GARDEN AT THE ENTRANCE TO POINTE DES ROCHES SCHOOL.

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OVER THE COURSE OF ONE WEEKEND, THEY SPENT MANY HOURS PLANTING DOZENS UPON DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF DROUGHT TOLERANT AND NATIVE PLANTS.

AND THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW A BEAUTIFICATION, IN ACTION GRANT REALLY ENABLES A LONG TERM PROJECT.

SO USUALLY THE UPKEEP OF A PROJECT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.

LAST SPRING, THIS RESPONSIBILITY AND REALLY OWNERSHIP WAS TRANSFERRED TO PUENTE DE ROJO MANAGEMENT.

AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WANTS TO EXPAND THE GARDEN.

AND SO THEY ARE APPLYING FOR OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO DO JUST THAT.

TERROR BIRDS RECEIVED A BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANT TO DO A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF THE SUSTAINABILITY BUILDING, AND THEY COMMISSIONED LOCAL ARTIST ROBERT CHAMBERS TO PAINT THIS MURAL HERE FEATURING NINE POLLINATORS.

STUDENTS AND TEACHERS AT KILLIP ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALSO REVITALIZED A NATIVE POLLINATOR GARDEN, AND THIS IS A PART OF A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE NATIVE POLLINATOR GARDEN, BUT ALSO A THREE, A COMPOSTING AREA AND ALSO A MURAL ON AN EXISTING STORAGE UNIT.

AND ALREADY THIS, LIKE THE PUENTE DE HOJA GARDEN, HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE CURRICULUM OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND STUDENTS AND PASSERSBY ENJOY THIS NEW AMENITY.

THE PROJECT ON THE LEFT IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO ME.

THIS WAS DONE BY OR SPEARHEADED, I SHOULD SAY BY A COMMUNITY MEMBER.

HER NAME IS MARGARET MORRISON AND MARGARET RESIDES AT THE CONDO COMPLEX ON BEAVER AND DALE, AND SHE WANTED TO TRANSFORM TWO VERY DRAB UTILITY CABINETS INTO BEAUTIFUL PIECES OF ART.

BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO START.

SO SHE CONTACTED OUR PROGRAM AND WE MET WITH MARGARET.

WE PROVIDED HER WITH DOZENS OF ARTWORK FROM ARTISTS WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY APPLIED TO PARTAKE IN OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINET WRAPS, AND MARGARET TOOK THOSE IMAGES AND CAME BACK TO HER HOA AND THE HOA, AND THE RESIDENTS OF HER CONDO COMPLEX ULTIMATELY SELECTED THE ARTWORK HERE, WHICH IS BY JILL SANDS, AND THIS ARTWORK REPRESENTS NATURE AND FEATURES PLANT FORMS. AND ON THE RIGHT WE SEE ANOTHER TRANSFORMATION OF A UTILITY CABINET INTO A MASTERPIECE BY LOCAL ARTIST DANA CAMPBELL.

THIS IS LOCATED IN LARUE ALLEY.

ARTIST DWAYNE COWAN TRANSFORMED THE ENTRANCE TO CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CAFE, WHICH IS IN KACHINA PLAZA, AND DWAYNE, WHO IS HOPI-TEWA, WANTED TO SHOWCASE THE BEAUTY OF HOPI CULTURE, AND SO HIS MURAL HERE FEATURES HOPI ICONOGRAPHY, SPECIFICALLY HOPI POTTERY DESIGNS AND THE INCLUSION OF HOPI WATER GODS.

SO IN 2023, WE HAVE EXPANDED OUR OUTREACH.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS TO, INCREASE THE DIVERSITY OF OR EXCUSE ME, TO DIVERSIFY THE SCOPE OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE.

SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE TO DISSEMINATE PRESS RELEASES TO LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS WITH GREAT SUCCESS.

WE HAD A SOLID FEATURE THIS SPRING IN THE ARIZONA DAILY SUN, AND THEN IN THE FALL WE HAD TWO WONDERFUL ARTICLES AS WELL.

ALSO NOTED INCLUSIONS IN FLAGSTAFF BUSINESS NEWS, CRONKITE NEWS, AND AN INTERVIEW ON CALF COUNTRY RADIO.

WE ALSO SEND REMINDER EMAILS TO OUR BEAUTIFICATION ARTS AND SCIENCES LISTSERV, WHICH HAS MORE THAN 400 SUBSCRIBERS.

AND IN THOSE DIRECT EMAILS, WE ALSO HIGHLIGHT RECENTLY INSTALLED BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANT PROJECTS.

WE WORK AGAIN WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT PRESENCE ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS.

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AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH OTHER NONPROFIT ENTITIES HERE IN THE CITY, LIKE CREATIVE FLAGSTAFF.

THAT INCLUDES THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

GRASSROOTS MARKETING EFFORTS INCLUDES FLIER DISTRIBUTION TO DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND NONPROFITS.

AND THEN SOMETHING WE DID NEW THIS YEAR.

WE PURCHASED TWO WEEKS OF UNDERWRITING SPOTS ON KNAU WITH GREAT SUCCESS.

I RECEIVED ABOUT A DOZEN PHONE CALLS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAD HEARD ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY ON KNAU, AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A FEW OF THEM ON THEIR APPLICATIONS THAT THEY HOPEFULLY PLAN ON SUBMITTING FOR THE MARCH DEADLINE.

SO ALL OF THIS AGAIN, THIS EXPANDED OUTREACH HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS AND HAS LED TO.

US, DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS BEAUTIFICATION ACTION GRANT PROJECTS.

SO LAST SPRING WE AWARDED FIVE.

WE HAD FIVE PROJECTS, AND IN 2024 WE WILL HAVE TEN.

AND I WILL TAKE THOSE OR TAKE YOU THROUGH THOSE BRIEFLY.

THE FLAGSTAFF FAMILY FOOD CENTER PLANS TO DO A GARDEN OASIS, AND THIS WILL ALLOW FOOD ACCESS TO VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, AS WELL AS PROVIDE MORE FARM TO TABLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEY HAVE PARTNERED WITH STUDENTS AT FALA, AND THE STUDENTS HAVE CREATED A BEAUTIFUL AND COLORFUL MURAL TO REALLY ACCENTUATE THIS SPACE.

THE WILLOW BEND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER WILL NOW BE HOME TO A WILDFLOWER MEADOW MAZE TO BE ENJOYED BY CENTER VISITORS.

BUSHMASTER PARK WILL BE HOME TO A COMMUNITY FRUIT ORCHARD, MORE THAN 35 APPLE, PEAR AND.

SOME OTHER FRUIT THAT I'M FORGETTING WILL BE PLANTED.

AND THIS IS IN AN EFFORT TO SUPPORT BIODIVERSITY AND ECOSYSTEM RESILIENCY.

FIVE LITTLE FREE LIBRARIES WILL BE INSTALLED IN SUNNYSIDE.

THEY WILL HAVE BOOKS IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH FOR RESIDENTS.

AND THEN, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY HAS APPLIED FOR A BEAUTIFICATION AND ACTION GRANT AND WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.

WE'VE TRIED IN THE PAST TO ATTRACT NIU, ALBEIT UNSUCCESSFULLY, BUT THIS YEAR WE SUCCEEDED AND SO WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM AN NIU STUDENT TO TRANSFORM A UTILITY BOX IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE AREA AT NIU INTO A WORK OF ART.

AND SO THIS STUDENT IS LEADING A GROUP THAT, WILL.

SHE IS LEADING A GROUP THAT WILL SELECT ARTWORK.

ULTIMATELY, THAT'S DONE BY EITHER A STUDENT OR A FACULTY MEMBER OR A PROFESSIONAL ARTIST IN THE COMMUNITY.

DARK SKY BREWING WILL BE INSTALLING A NEW COLORFUL MURAL TO THEIR NEWLY EXPANDED SPACE.

TEXAS ROADHOUSE WILL BE DECORATING A HIGHLY VISIBLE UTILITY BOX ON THEIR PROPERTY WITH KITSCHY DESERT IMAGES.

A VIBRANT MURAL WILL DECORATE THE SIDE OF THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY BUILDING, AND WE SEE A RENDERING OF THAT MURAL AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE.

THIS IS BY ARTIST MOLLY KEANE.

A HISTORIC TRAIN RAIL BENCH FROM CENTURY OLD RAILS WILL BE INSTALLED AT THE VISITOR CENTER.

AND PROBABLY THE MOST UNIQUE PROJECT, IS THE SUNNY SIDE SUNFLOWERS IN BLOOM PROJECT BY THE SUNNYSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO THIS WILL FEATURE A SUNFLOWER MURAL WITH A DYNAMIC QR CODE.

AND WHEN VISITORS OR RESIDENTS OF SUNNYSIDE SCAN THAT CODE, THEY WILL BE TAKEN TO A WEBSITE WHERE THERE IS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUNNYSIDE COMMUNITY. THEY CAN LISTEN TO ORAL HISTORIES, AND THEY CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT UPCOMING EVENTS AND HOW TO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND FINALLY, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

SHE SERVES AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE BEAUTIFICATION AND PUBLIC ART COMMISSION.

SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS SUCH AN EXCITING PROJECT AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THIS UPDATE WITH THE PHOTOS AND SO FORTH.

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COUNCIL DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE AND COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD AND REALLY BOLSTER THE, THE ARTS IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY, BOLSTER THE BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND JUST, REALLY PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON FLAGSTAFF'S UNIQUE CULTURE.

SO I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THEM COME TO FRUITION.

REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT, AS YOU SAID, OF THE SENSE OF PLACE THAT THEY DEVELOP AND REALLY EXCITED BY THE THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY GARDENS AND FOOD OASIS OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD.

JUST KNOWING THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN SUSTAINABILITY AND SEEING THAT TIE INTO THESE ARTS PROJECTS IS A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, AND I THINK IS PAVING THE WAY FOR A LOT OF FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN EMBRACE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU AND THE TEAM FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET, FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I HAVE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES HOW I LOVE BEING ON THIS COMMISSION, AND I'M PROUD TO BE THE LIAISON.

I THINK YOUR EXPANDED MARKETING EFFORTS HAVE REALLY PAID OFF.

I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WERE APPLYING, BUT THEY THEY KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM NOW, A LOT OF ARTISTS, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT TO GET THAT WORD OUT. SO GOOD JOB ON THAT.

I'M A BIG FAN OF THE UTILITY BOX WRAPS, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL OF YOU, BUT WHEN I'M DRIVING AND I SEE THAT, IT JUST MAKES ME SMILE.

AND I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THE 2024 GRANT RECIPIENTS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE PROJECTS COME ALIVE.

SO GOOD JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET SAID JUST TODAY I WAS DRIVING.

INTO THIS MEETING.

AND I LOOKED OVER AND I SAW A LIGHT BOX THAT WAS NOT WRAPPED, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? I JUST WANT THEM EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THEY JUST REALLY JUST BRING MORE CHARACTER TO OUR BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAIN TOWN.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS AND THE OUTREACH AND, AND MAYBE I'LL ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY TO PICK THAT BOX THAT'S ON MY.

TRIP INTO TOWN TO RAP.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

AND MORE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINETS ARE PLANNED IN 2024.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS DO SEPARATE THIS CITY FROM OTHER CITIES AND MAKE IT REALLY SPECIAL.

SO WHEN VISITORS COME HERE, THEY NOTICE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THAT'S REALLY WELL PUT.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT, ALL THE COMMENTS WE HAD.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

THERE'S A SMALL, SHORT SECOND HALF TO OUR PRESENTATION.

[9. FAIR Item: City Seal/Logo & Civic Symbols Provide information to Council on the current City Seal and Logo. Obtain feedback and direction from Council on if and how City Staff should embark on a process to redesign the City seal, logo, or other civic symbols.]

SO, MAYOR.

VICE MAYOR.

ASLAN. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M JANA WELDON, BEAUTIFICATION ARTS AND SCIENCES MANAGER.

AND I'M HERE TODAY TO REVEAL OUR NEW PROGRAM LOGO THAT MY STAFF AND I DEVELOPED WITH JENNIFER SHAVER, THE CREATIVE SERVICES SPECIALIST AT DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF, AND MY HAT OFF TO HER TO ALL THE WORK THAT SHE DID WITH OUR PROGRAM.

SO. HERE'S OUR LOGO.

OUR LOGO IS DESIGNED TO WORK WITH VARIABLE IMAGES.

THE LETTERING DESIGN CAN IS THE SAME THROUGHOUT THEM, AND IT CAN STAND ALONE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.

THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED SO FAR.

THEY ARE DRAWN FROM THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINET WRAPS.

THESE ART WRAPS ARE VERY GRAPHIC BY NATURE.

THEY WERE VERY EASY TO USE AND PUT INTO THE LOGO.

THEY ALSO REPRESENT, YOU KNOW, A DIVERSITY OF CONTENT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST THE GRAPHIC NATURE OF THEM GRABS THE EYE AND GRABS THE ATTENTION.

BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER ASPECTS OF OUR PROGRAM, AND WE DO INTEND TO DEVELOP MORE OF THE IMAGERY THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE LOGOS FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

I MEAN, THIS PAST YEAR WE STARTED PROFESSIONALLY PHOTOGRAPHING OUR PROJECTS.

SO THE GANDY DANCER IMAGE IN THE UPPER RIGHT THAT CAME OUT OF THIS ALREADY, AND THE COMPLETED CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE THE COURTHOUSE, THE MAIN

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LIBRARY, THE COCONINO SCROLL OUT AT THE AIRPORT, THOSE WILL SOON BE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN IMAGE TO INCLUDE WITH OUR LOGOS. ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS, LIKE THE FLOWERS AND THE DOWNTOWN AND THE ROUTE 66 MONUMENTS, AGAIN, TO REFLECT A BIT MORE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR PROGRAM.

BUT EACH WE WILL USE THE LOGO, YOU KNOW, JUDICIOUSLY FOR THE PURPOSE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE USED FOR SCIENCE IS A LITTLE HARDER TO CAPTURE.

AND WHEN WE'RE BEAUTIFICATION, ARTS AND SCIENCES AND IT'S NOT AT THE END FOR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S LESS.

BUT WE MOSTLY FUND THAT THROUGH THE OPERATING GRANTS TO NONPROFITS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO CAPTURE IN AN IMAGE.

WE DID LIKE SONIA LONDON HALL'S, YOU KNOW, MOSAIC AT JOE MONTALVO.

AND IT'S AT THE END OF THE SECOND LINE ON THE RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HER IMAGERY ITSELF EVOKED THE SCIENCES.

SO WE THOUGHT THAT WORKED.

AND WE'LL LOOK FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT TO INCORPORATE THE SCIENCES INTO THE LOGO AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT HOW THE LOGO MIGHT LOOK WITH OR WITHOUT AN IMAGE WITH OTHER LOGOS.

SO AT THE BOTTOM YOU HAVE IT WITHOUT ANY IMAGE.

AND THEN AT THE TOP WE, YOU KNOW, CHOSE ONE AND KIND OF FIT IT IN WITH SOME OF THE KIND OF SISTER, YOU KNOW, PARTNER PROGRAMS AND SISTERS, CITY PROGRAMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE USING.

AND THEN, THIS IS MY OUR SIGNATURE GIF IN OUR EMAIL MESSAGES.

IT'S REALLY QUITE FUN.

AND WE LIKE TO USE THE ART TO CARRY THE DYNAMIC NATURE OF FLAGSTAFF AS THE MOST WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.

THE ARTIST WHO CREATED THE IMAGES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE ALL ARIZONA ARTISTS, AND I ALWAYS SAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, 83% ARE FLAGSTAFF ARTISTS.

THEN WE HAVE GONE ON AND WE HAVE MADE STICKERS AND COFFEE MUGS FROM SOME OF THESE LOGO IMAGES AND STICKERS ALSO FROM THE COCONINO SCROLL MEDALLIONS. THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF HAVE BEEN GIVING AWAY THESE STICKERS AT FIRST FRIDAYS.

WE'VE BEEN TABLING EVENTS, AND THIS OUTREACH ALSO HELPED BRING IN MORE APPLICANTS FOR BIA GRANTS AND MORE APPLICANTS FOR OUR OTHER PROJECTS. FROM THE LOCAL.

I WAS ALSO STRUCK WHEN I WAS TABLING BY HOW MANY WHO APPROACHED OUR TABLE WERE NEW RESIDENTS TO FLAGSTAFF.

THEY JUST MOVED UP HERE FROM THE VALLEY.

THEY WERE SO HAPPY TO BE HERE.

AND THE BLACK LUMBERJACK AT BUTLER AND LARUE, AND THE SUN GODDESS AT THE ENTRY ROAD TO, YOU KNOW, BUFFALO PARK WERE WERE LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINETS. THEY HAD ALREADY TAKEN IN AND THEY IT CONNECTED THEM TO FLAGSTAFF IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEY REALLY FELT DELIGHT ABOUT THEIR CHOICE TO MOVE HERE.

SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY MOVING TO ME.

AND SO, WITH THE SWAG NOW WE HAVE FIVE THAT WE'VE MADE UP.

SO I INVITE YOU AT THE NEXT BREAK.

THERE'S THE FOX AT FOX GLEN PARK.

THERE IS THE JOE MONTALVO MOSAIC.

THERE'S THE MOUNTAIN LION.

AND. THE SUN GODDESS.

AND THE EAST LIBRARY, LOGO.

SO IS THERE MORE OF ONE? MORE THAN ONE OF EACH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT? THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EACH OF YOU TO HAVE WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT I PUT OUT FOR.

IF ALL OF YOU JUST WANT ONE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, GOT THE THE REST TO YOU LATER, YOU CAN JUST TELL ME.

ALSO INSIDE ARE THE STICKERS THAT I SPOKE OF.

SO PLEASE, AT THE NEXT BREAK, COME AND TAKE THEM.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL DO YOU WAS WAS THAT THE END OF YOUR.

THAT'S THE END. I THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL.

AND I LOVE HOW YOU'VE USED THE DIFFERENT IMAGES.

I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A REALLY STUNNING REPRESENTATION OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

AND VERY BEAUTIFUL.

COUNCIL. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

THANK YOU. AND THEY ADD ON TO WHAT MAYOR JUST SAID I.

WHAT A GREAT WAY TO CELEBRATE OUR LOCAL ARTISTS.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

I JUST WANT TO STEAL THAT SIGNATURE SCROLLING IMAGE.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S SO CAPTIVATING AND I'M JUST SO EXCITED BY ALL OF THESE.

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IT'S A REALLY COOL WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT ART INTO THE LOGO AND MAKE IT A.

TRANSITIONAL AND JUST EVOLVING CONSTANTLY.

IT'S REALLY, REALLY COOL.

SO KUDOS.

COUNCIL MEMBER MATHEWS I THOUGHT I PICKED MY FAVORITE EARLIER.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO JUST HAND THEM OUT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SO BEAUTIFUL.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THIS IS VERY SPECIAL.

I APPRECIATE IT. WELL DONE.

CITY SEAL AND LOGO AND CIVIC SYMBOLS.

OKAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE.

FAIR ITEM.

WELCOME, CHRIS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

DIDN'T REALIZE I'D BE FOLLOWING SUCH A SIMILAR ITEM.

THAT'S KIND OF NICE, ACTUALLY.

SEE.

ALL RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, CHRIS REALTY MANAGEMENT, ANALYST AND COMMUNICATIONS AND CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF A FUN ITEM FOR ME.

I'M A HUGE FAN OF THESE KINDS OF CIVIC SYMBOLS MYSELF, SO I'M EXCITED THAT I GET TO KIND OF SHOW A BIT OF A NERDY SIDE OF MYSELF TO TODAY AS I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, AND VERY NICE TO FOLLOW SUCH GOOD WORK DONE BY THE PUBLIC ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION TEAM.

THIS WILL BE KIND OF RELATED.

THERE'S A FEW SECTIONS OF THIS OF THIS PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO START BY GIVING A BACKGROUND ON ON CIVIC SYMBOLS.

WE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT OURS ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN I'LL, WE'LL START LOOKING TOWARDS WHAT CAN HAPPEN NEXT.

AND THEN AT THE VERY END, I'LL SOLICIT THREE FAIRLY SPECIFIC ITEMS OF DIRECTION FROM YOU ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO FIRST I WANTED TO NOTE THAT JUST THERE'S THREE COMMON TYPES OF SYMBOLS THAT ARE USED TO REPRESENT A MUNICIPAL OR MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION OR GOVERNMENT.

IT CAN BE A STATE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE CITY SEAL.

AND THIS IS USUALLY A SMALL INTRICATE ITEM.

THAT'S IT GOES ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

AND IT IT ORIGINATES BACK FROM WHEN YOU USED WAX SEALS ON ENVELOPES.

AND YOU'D PUT A LITTLE THING TO IT WAS YOUR SPECIFIC ONE THAT REPRESENTED YOU OR THE ORGANIZATION, AND IT'S EMERGED FROM THAT TO BE THE ITEM OR THE THE SYMBOL THAT MAKES SOMETHING AN OFFICIAL REPRESENTATION OR, YOU KNOW, SO SO YOUR ALL YOUR ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, THOSE GET AN OFFICIAL SEAL ON THEM TO MAKE THEM OFFICIAL.

AND KIND OF AS A PROCLAMATION, THERE'S THE THERE'S A LOGO WHICH IS THE MORE KNOWN SYMBOL OF THE ORGANIZATION.

IT'S, IT'S IT'S WHAT YOU USE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

IT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC KNOW YOU BY ESSENTIALLY.

AND YOU CAN USE IT FOR A BROAD ARRAY OF, OF USES.

FINALLY THERE'S THERE'S A FLAG.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S FLOWN OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.

HUNG BEHIND YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NOW IS OUR IS OUR EXISTING CITY FLAG, ALONG WITH THE STATE OF THE STATE FLAG, THE US FLAG, AND THEN THE COUNTY FLAG.

SO I'LL NOTE THAT JUST IN RECENT YEARS, PEOPLE HAVE STARTED PAYING A LOT MORE ATTENTION TO FLAGS.

COMES SOMETHING FROM A TED TALK ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO THAT WAS GIVEN THEY'VE BECOME VERY POPULAR.

SO PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO EMBRACE THOSE A LOT MORE IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

SO STARTING WITH A SEAL, I'VE SHOWN THREE EXAMPLES HERE, AND THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE ALL DONE WELL.

WHAT MAKES ONE GOOD.

SO IT A SEAL IS SUPPOSED TO CONVEY A HISTORY AND CULTURE.

SO IT'S KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT WHAT THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS AND HAS BEEN ABOUT OR A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.

IT WORKS WELL IF THEY'RE IN BLACK AND WHITE, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN MAKE A VECTOR OUT OF THEM AND ACTUALLY USE THE LITTLE STAMP THAT LIKE CHANGES THE WHAT DID YOU SAY THE THE WEIGHT OF THE PAPER. YOU CAN KIND OF FEEL IT.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S NOT A GRADIENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT WITH THOSE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS.

IT SHOULD USE MEANINGFUL SYMBOLISM THAT'S IMPORTANT AND LOCAL TO THE ORGANIZATION.

AND BECAUSE OF THESE, THEY'RE SMALL AND THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE DISPLAYED ON BILLBOARDS THINGS THEY CAN BE VERY INTRICATE.

THEY CAN HAVE REALLY COOL LITTLE DETAILS IN THEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IN OTHER SYMBOLS.

SO I HAVE THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE, WHICH HAS IT'S IT'S WELL KNOWN BUCKING BRONCO, THE CITY OF PHENIX, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE.

I'M USING THEIR WHOLE DESIGN PALETTE, AND ONE ON THE LEFT IS A BRAND NEW ONE THAT IS JUST, I BELIEVE, APPROVED IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, WHICH IS THE NEW STATE SEAL OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. SO IT'S A MORE MODERN DESIGN.

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YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE UNDER, YOU KNOW, MORE CURRENT DESIGNS.

AND THIS ONE WENT THROUGH A VERY UNIQUE PROCESS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT LATER ON AS WELL.

JUST I WANTED TO NOTE THAT ONE BECAUSE OF BECAUSE IT'S SO NEW AND THE WAY IT CAME ABOUT TO BE.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

FOR A LOGO, A LOGO IS SIMILAR TO A SEAL, BUT IT NEEDS TO WORK IN VARIOUS SIZES, SO IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZABLE WHEN IT'S SMALL DOWN, YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF YOUR THUMB ON A PIECE OF PAPER. IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZABLE IN SOCIAL MEDIA, AND WHEN IT'S BIG AND SCALABLE TO LARGE, LARGE APPLICATIONS, IT'S ALSO HELPFUL FOR WORKS IN BLACK AND WHITE.

IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT REPRESENTS.

SO I'VE CHOSEN A COUPLE HERE THAT CARRY THAT THE COUNTY LOGO, THE COCONINO COUNTY THAT THAT TEAL AND BROWN WITH THE KIND OF THE GRAND CANYON, THE PEAKS AND THE CLOUD ON IT.

I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT REPRESENTS.

I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, AND I JUST.

YOU SEE THE LOGO FOR BEND, OREGON EVERYWHERE UP THERE.

IT'S IT'S SIMPLE, BUT BUT IT'S IT'S EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS.

IT'S IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE AGAIN.

THE CITY OF PHENIX, THEIR SEAL IS ESSENTIALLY JUST THEIR LOGO WITH THE TEXT AROUND IT, BUT THEIR LOGO ACTUALLY WORKS WELL, KIND OF AS BOTH.

SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT FOR THAT REASON.

MARICOPA COUNTY HAS A NEW ONE THAT THEY PUT OUT, I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO WITH THE SAGUARO CACTUS FOR THE I, THAT SAGUARO CACTUS KIND OF WORKS BY ITSELF AS WELL.

SO IT WORKS IN THE TYPEFACE AND AS ITS OWN LOGO.

I USE IT HERE IN THE LOGOS BECAUSE I DON'T EXPECT THAT IT'S ALL THAT KNOWN YET.

BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT COULD BE.

AND THEN TWO OTHER ONES THE CITY OF OAKLAND.

THE CITY OF OAKLAND HAS THIS VERY INTRICATE OAK TREE.

IT WAS ACTUALLY INCORPORATED INTO A JERSEY THAT'S WORN BY THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS.

SO THEY'VE ADOPTED THAT AS A LARGER SYMBOL.

AND THEN THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH ITS KIND OF THREE VECTORED.

D AND THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY ALSO USED BY SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY IN THEIR, IN THEIR BRANDING AS WELL.

SO THEY USE THAT SAME KIND OF TYPEFACE BECAUSE IT'S BECOME THE SYMBOL OF THAT CITY.

AND IT'S A POINT OF, OF LOCAL PRIDE.

AND THEN FINALLY FOR FOR FLAGS.

THESE ARE MEANT TO BE VERY SIMPLE.

SHE'LL USUALLY HAVE A FEW COLORS ON IT.

AGAIN, MEANINGFUL SYMBOLISM IS IMPORTANT IN ALL KINDS OF CIVIC SYMBOLS.

A NOTE HERE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE LETTERING OR SEALS ON A FLAG, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE TO WRITE DOWN WHAT IT IS YOU ARE TRYING TO REPRESENT, YOUR SYMBOLISM HAS FAILED.

YOU'LL NOTICE BEHIND US THAT OUR FLAG DOES NOT CONFORM TO MANY OF THESE RULES.

IT'S NOT USED WIDELY.

THERE'S ONLY TWO VERSIONS IN EXISTENCE.

I BELIEVE ONE IS HERE AND THE OTHER IS UPSTAIRS, SO WE DON'T FLY IT OUTSIDE OF BUILDINGS.

IT'S NOT USED, BUT IT JUST A TYPE OF SYMBOL THAT EXISTS.

WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

SOME, SOME EXAMPLES OF ONES THAT ARE RECOGNIZABLE.

THE CITY OF PHENIX, AGAIN, THEIR THEIR, THEIR SYMBOL WORKS SO WELL, YOU CAN YOU CAN JUST PUT IT ON A FLAG WITH TWO COLORS AND IT LOOKS GREAT.

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT REPRESENTS.

ARIZONA. I THINK ARIZONA IS WELL REGARDED AS HAVING A BEAUTIFUL FLAG IN THE NATION.

IF YOU'RE IN ARIZONA, LIKE LIKE I AM, I THINK YOU TAKE PRIDE IN IT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN THE BOTTOM THREE ARE THE ONE ON THE LEFT.

YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW. THAT'S THE FLAG OF THE CITY OF AMSTERDAM.

AND IF YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT AMSTERDAM, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND THINK, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE.

THE OTHER TWO ARE SAINT LOUIS, WHICH HAS THE CONVERGENCE OF THE MISSOURI AND THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, AND THEN CHICAGO, WHICH TWO BANDS AND THEN THE FOUR STARS REPRESENT FOUR CATASTROPHIC FIRES THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY.

BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE WELL KNOWN AND LIKED IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SLIDE, I WANT TO NOTE THE ARIZONA FLAG AND WHAT A GREAT FLAG THAT IS.

AND JUST THIS WEEK I HAD A MEETING WHERE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WOMAN THAT INVENTED THAT FLAG WHO LIVED ON THE SOUTH SIDE, HERE, HERE IN FLAGSTAFF, AND SOME EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD TO PRESERVE THE HOME THAT SHE LIVED IN ON SOUTH LARUE STREET.

TIME. VERY TIMELY.

WHAT A GREAT FLAG.

I THINK IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE FLAGS OF ANY FLAG I'VE EVER SEEN.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

AND I ACTUALLY HEARD THAT STORY THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHE WAS FROM FLAGSTAFF.

THAT WAS A FUN FACT TO LEARN.

I THOUGHT, WHAT AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO LEARN THAT AS WELL.

SO, THAT'S WHAT MAKES A GOOD SYMBOL.

WE'LL GO INTO WHAT OURS ARE NOW.

THIS IS OUR CITY SEAL.

IT IS NOT WHAT YOU MAY THINK IT IS THAT THAT LOGO WITH THE FLAG AND THE ELK ON IT.

THAT IS NOT OUR SEAL.

THIS THIS IS OUR CITY SEAL AND THIS PICTURE.

IT MAY LOOK GRAINY AND HARD TO READ.

THIS WAS TAKEN OUT OF OUR CITY CODE BOOK.

THIS IS THE EXACT IMAGE THAT APPEARS IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

IT IS DEFINED IN THE CITY CODE.

IT ESSENTIALLY JUST SAYS CITY OF FLAGSTAFF ACROSS THE TOP, INCORPORATED MAY 26TH, 1894.

AND THEN IT SAYS SEAL IN BIG IN THE ACTUALLY, THE BIGGEST TEXT ON IT IS THE WORD SEAL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

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I DIDN'T KNOW THIS EXISTED UNTIL I BEGAN RESEARCH FOR THIS PROJECT, SO I'M CONFIDENT IN SAYING IT'S NOT WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.

WE PRETTY MUCH JUST USE IT FOR PUTTING A SEAL ON DOCUMENTS THAT COME FROM COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS IS OUR CITY LOGO.

IT IS NOT DEFINED IN CITY CODE.

DOESN'T EXIST IN THERE.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS MORE WELL RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

BUT FOR THAT REASON IT IS OFTEN MISTAKEN AS A SEAL, PARTLY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A SEAL.

IT'S INTRICATE, IT'S SMALL, IT'S GOT THE INFORMATION ESTABLISHED ON IT AND EVERYTHING, AND IT'S CHANGED OVER TIME.

THERE'S A LOT OF VERSIONS OF THIS AROUND.

SO THE BIG ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE MOST COMMONLY.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS AN OLDER VERSION.

AND IF YOU TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THE FLAG AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT'S THE VERSION THAT'S ON THE FLAG, NOT THE BIG ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY USE.

IT'S AN OLDER VERSION.

AND ACTUALLY I MADE THESE AND THEN I SAW A PHOTO FROM ANOTHER EMPLOYEE OF SOME POLOS THAT WERE MADE UP LIKE A POLO SHIRT, AND IT HAD A DIFFERENT LOGO ENTIRELY ON IT.

AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS.

AND FINALLY, RIGHT BEHIND THE MAYOR IS ANOTHER VERSION OF IT THAT APPEARS NOWHERE ELSE, A VERY NICE PAINTING OF A SIMILAR LANDSCAPE.

SO THEY'RE ALL ALONG THE SAME THEME, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

AND I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO ONE OTHER THING ON.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS LOGO, IT SAYS ESTABLISHED 1882.

AND IF YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, THAT IS A DIFFERENT YEAR THAN IT APPEARS ON OUR CITY SEAL.

THIS FACT TOOK ME DOWN QUITE THE RABBIT HOLE.

I WAS CONFUSED AND PERPLEXED.

I FELT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THE CITY EXISTED FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT WE WERE INCORPORATED IN 1894.

THAT'S THE DATE THAT THE STATE, THE TERRITORY OF ARIZONA, RATHER INCORPORATED THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

TO THE BEST OF MY UNDERSTANDING, ALL THE RESEARCH I DID THIS YEAR, 1882, REFERS TO THE YEAR THAT THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC RAILROAD WAS BUILT FROM ALBUQUERQUE TO KINGMAN OR COMPLETED IN THAT SECTION.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE YEAR THE RAILROAD CAME THROUGH FLAGSTAFF.

THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER EVENTS THAT HAPPENED AROUND THAT TIME.

THE ORIGINAL FLAGSTAFF, FOR WHICH THE CITY IS NAMED, WAS ALLEGEDLY AT LEAST RAISED IN 1876 FOR THE CENTENNIAL OF THE COUNTRY.

THE POST OFFICE WAS 1891.

I THINK THERE WAS. THERE'S SEVERAL ONES THAT HAPPENED ALONG THIS TIME PERIOD THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY BE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF OF OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.

AND IT'S NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S BEEN, INHABITED FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT'S WHAT IS HERE.

WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT YEARS AND WHAT THEY BOTH ACTUALLY DO REPRESENT.

IS THE ELK ON THE TOP ONE? TWO COLORS.

YES IT IS. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF :44., BUT IT IS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD AND IT LOOKS LIKE OURS.

SO I FIGURED I WOULD THROW IT IN HERE BECAUSE IT AT LEAST ATTEMPTS TO BE OUR, OUR LOGO.

SO I FIGURED I WOULD JUST SHOW YOU THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS VERSIONS OUT THERE IN CIRCULATION.

WAS THE POINT OF THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A CURRENT CITY FLAG.

IT'S NOT DEFINED IN CODE.

I SAID. THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF IT, THE ONE THERE AND THE ONE UPSTAIRS.

IT'S NOT USE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT IS THE OLDER VERSION ON A WHITE BACKGROUND.

SO QUICK, QUICK.

WE DON'T REALLY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FULL CITY FLAG.

WE DO. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY USED IN THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD USE, USE AN OFFICIAL ONE.

NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

IF YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL, THERE'S A COUPLE OPTIONS WE COULD TAKE AT THIS POINT.

THE FIRST ONE, AND I'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE OPTIONS BEFORE I'M ASKING YOU TO PICK WHICH ONE IT IS SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT, AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL GO BACK AT THE END.

THE FIRST ONE IS TO TAKE NO ACTION OR TAKE VERY MINIMAL ACTION.

SO SOMETHING THAT JUST GIVE ME DIRECTION, DO SOMETHING VERY SMALL THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH MORE.

I CAN BRING YOU BACK AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION OR WE CAN JUST DO STUFF OURSELVES.

SO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE A YEAR OR MAKE OUR LOGO INTO THE SEAL AS WELL, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE OPTION NUMBER ONE.

SECOND ONE WOULD BE WE CAN HIRE AN OUTSIDE DESIGN FIRM TO TO EMBARK ON THIS PROJECT.

WE COULD HAVE TO DO IT INTERNALLY.

AND I THINK THAT THE LAST PRESENTATION WE SAW, ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATES SOME OF THE GREAT TALENT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS ORGANIZATION AND ABILITY TO DO SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE COULD ALSO TRY TO GO THROUGH A MORE PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE THE WHERE EITHER THE PUBLIC AT LARGE OR OUR COMMISSIONS ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN TAKING US THROUGH THAT PROJECT AND ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

SO THOSE ARE FOUR PATHS FORWARD THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EACH OF THOSE WOULD MEAN IN THE PROS AND CONS OF THEM.

SO IF YOU WANT TO DO NOTHING OR SOMETHING VERY MINIMAL, WE CAN WE CAN MAKE THE DATES CONSISTENT.

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WE COULD USE THE LOGO AS A SEAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

OTHER ONES YOU MAY YOU MAY HAVE IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU WANT TO TWEAK.

THIS WOULD BE EASY TO BE QUICK.

IT WOULD. THE COST WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.

IT WOULD JUST BE WHATEVER.

HOW LONG IT TAKES ME OR ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE FOR YOU.

SO NEGLIGIBLE COST ON THAT ONE.

THEN WE'RE DONE. IF WE DESIGN THROUGH A HIRED FIRM.

I TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN ARIZONA HAVE DONE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO HERE'S, FIVE LOGOS THAT WERE ALL DEVISED THROUGH CONTRACTS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THEY RANGED BETWEEN 20 AND $65,000.

IT COST TO THE CITY.

I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM MAKING SUBJECTIVE COMMENTS ON WHETHER THESE ARE GOOD OR BAD LOGOS, BUT I'LL JUST NOTE WHAT THEY ARE.

I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE GOOD, OR WHETHER WE COULD DO AS GOOD INTERNALLY OR NOT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE FOR. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS PROCESS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THE LAST OPTION. THE THIRD OPTION IS TO DO IT INTERNALLY.

THIS IS NOT BEEN DONE AS MUCH, AND I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THAT.

BUT, WE DO HAVE EXPERTISE IN THIS CITY, BOTH IN, GROUPS LIKE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION AND IN DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF WE HAVE THAT HAVE A SKILLS AND EXPERTISE THAT COULD ASSIST WITH THIS PROCESS.

I NOTED THAT WE COULD EMPLOY COMMISSIONS TO HELP WITH THAT DESIGN.

IF WE IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO, THEY, AND THEN IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE, THE COST WOULD LARGELY JUST BE STAFF TIME, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE HIRING AN OUTSIDE FIRM IF WE'RE USING COMMISSIONS.

YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS SALARIES ARE NOT NOT LARGE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ZERO.

SO, IT'S A PATH FORWARD FOR YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE IT.

THAT WOULD BE CHEAPER.

IT'S NOT USED AS COMMONLY, BUT WE PROBABLY WE LIKELY HAVE THE SKILLS AND EXPERTISE TO DO IT.

IF YOU IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

FINALLY, I'M CALLING IT THE PUBLIC FIRST PROCESS.

THIS IS USED MORE FREQUENTLY, NOT AS MUCH FOR LOGOS BUT VERY COMMON FOR FLAGS.

SO I MENTIONED THAT FLAGS HAVE TAKEN OFF IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THIS HAS BECOME A HUGE THING FOR FLAGS.

CITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE GONE THROUGH THINGS LIKE THIS AND HAVE COME UP WITH SOME REALLY COOL DESIGNS.

IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY TAKE SUBMISSIONS FROM THE PUBLIC AND SAY, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, SEND IN YOUR IDEAS.

THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THIS.

I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO PORTRAY IT ALL AS ALL GOOD OR ALL BAD.

IT COULD CREATE BUY-IN WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE COULD ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS AND THE YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE COULD WE COULD REALLY SPUR THAT.

I THINK, HOWEVER, IT COULD BE TIME CONSUMING.

IT COULD TAKE MORE STAFF TIME FOR US TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE TO WEED OUT ANY ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, INAPPROPRIATE OR JUST WOULDN'T WORK BASED ON CRITERIA THAT WE SET. AND THEN SOME FOLKS I TALKED TO DID WANT TO CONVEY THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU COULD STRUGGLE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS THAT MEETS ALL THE GOOD CRITERIA TO REALLY GET A GOOD DESIGN.

YOU'D BE TRYING TO MAYBE IT WOULD TRY TO DO TOO MANY THINGS AT ONCE OR WOULD LEAVE THINGS OUT THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

AND, BUT BUT AGAIN, THE COST FOR THIS WOULD BE STAFF TIME, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE HIRING AN OUTSIDE FIRM, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO USE THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US OUT WITH THIS.

SO, THAT'S WHAT THAT PROCESS COULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IT.

THIS IS JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WHAT WHAT THE STEPS COULD LOOK LIKE FOR IT.

WE COULD WE WOULD BE PUTTING OUT ESSENTIALLY A CALL FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE SUBMISSIONS.

WE COULD ASSEMBLE A PANEL TO WEAN THEM DOWN, DIGITIZE ANYONE'S.

IF YOU KNOW, A THIRD GRADER DRAWS IT IN CRAYON AND WE THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD, WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT.

WE COULD MAKE IT IN A MORE PROFESSIONAL FORMAT.

WE COULD USE WE COULD USE A CITIZEN SURVEY TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A VOICE IN WHICH ONES THEY LIKE AS WELL.

AND THEN LET A PANEL MAYBE TWEAK IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR A FINAL JUDGMENT.

THIS IS NOT IN STONE.

THIS IS JUST AN IDEA OF WHAT A PROCESS COULD LOOK LIKE.

IT COULD ABSOLUTELY BE CHANGED.

IT COULD IT COULD SKIP STEPS.

IT COULD ADD STEPS, WHATEVER.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A MORE COMPLEX PROCESS IF YOU DECIDE TO EMBARK ON IT.

IN EITHER OF THOSE LAST TWO OPTIONS, YOU COULD USE COMMISSIONS TO WEAN THINGS DOWN.

SO I TALKED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT OTHER STAFF MEMBERS IN THE CITY, INCLUDING JANET, WHO'S OVER HERE BEHIND ME.

AND, SHE ACTUALLY HAD THE IDEA ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT OF NOT TO USE A COMMISSION, BUT TO USE IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS.

THIS IS STILL AN IF.

BUT TO ASSEMBLE MEMBERS OF DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS TOGETHER THAT WAY YOU HAVE KIND OF BUY IN AND INFLUENCE FROM THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE CITY THAT MAY WANT

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INFLUENCE. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT WHAT IT HAS TO BE.

BUT I DECIDED I PUT TOGETHER FIVE THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE WOULD BE UP FOR THE TASK.

AND THAT'S THE PUBLIC ARTS BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, INDIGENOUS COMMISSION, THE DIVERSITY AWARENESS COMMISSION ON DIVERSITY AWARENESS, THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND THEN PERHAPS SOMEONE FROM THE EMPLOYEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO A STAFF PERSON INTERNAL TO THE CITY THAT, IS A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANIZATION AND WORKS FOR IT.

SO AGAIN, NOT THE OPTION YOU HAVE TO PICK.

JUST I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT WAY WE DO HAVE THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT WE COULD EXECUTE IT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, OH, THIS ONE IS AT THE END.

HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT IT ONCE IT'S DONE? YOU COULD DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

WHERE YOU TAKE DOWN EVERY SIGN THAT HAS THE OLD STUFF ON IT AND PUT THE NEW ONES UP RIGHT AWAY.

IT WOULD CREATE AN IMMEDIATE NEW IDENTITY FOR THE CITY.

YOU WOULD BE A HUGE, RECOGNIZABLE TASK.

IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE.

IT WOULD COST A LOT OF MONEY TO DO ALL THAT TO INVENTORY.

WHERE EVERYWHERE THAT ANY OF OUR LOGOS EXIST NOW.

AND TO TAKE THEM DOWN RIGHT AWAY.

I JUST I MADE IT A BROAD RANGE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'LL COST.

I DON'T HAVE A TRULY GOOD ESTIMATE.

BESIDES THAT, IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE.

THE OTHER OPTION, AND THE ONE THAT IS ALMOST ALWAYS USED BY THE ORGANIZATION THAT DONE IT SO FAR, IS YOU DO IT DIGITALLY.

SO YOU ADD YOUR WEBSITE, EMAIL SIGNATURES, LETTERHEAD, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN JUST AS THINGS BREAK THIS WAY, YOU'RE NOT TAKING EVERY TRUCK OUT OF COMMISSION AND PUTTING A NEW LOGO ON THE SIDE OF IT JUST WHEN WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHEN THEY ARE READY FOR REPLACEMENT, YOU PUT THE NEW ONE UP, AND SO YOU'LL STILL SEE SOME LINGERING ONES OF THE OLD LOGO FOR A WHILE.

IF YOU GO THIS WAY, OR THE NEW OR THE OLD, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

BUT IT WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.

YOU BUILD THE COST INTO WHEN YOU BUY NEW EQUIPMENT AND DO A FEW THINGS ELECTRONICALLY, AND IT TAKES THAT COST FROM SUBSTANTIAL TO ESSENTIALLY NOTHING.

ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S HERE'S THE PART WHERE IF YOU HAVE DISCUSSION, WE CAN DISCUSS EACH OF THESE.

I CAN GO BACK SLIDES IF YOU LIKE, BUT I'VE GOT THREE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR YOU NOW ON.

HOW, HOW AND IF YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

AND THE FIRST ONE IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND WHAT HOW MUCH OF IT ARE WE GOING TO DO? SO SMALL CHANGES THE LOGO, SEAL FLAG, MULTIPLE OF THOSE OPTIONS.

THAT'S THE FIRST PIECE OF INFORMATION, I GUESS, THAT I WOULD NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO IF THERE'S DISCUSSION, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL.

THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION.

I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE.

VICE MAYOR ASLAN.

THANK YOU. CITY CLERK.

MY. I'M LOCKED OUT OF HAVING MY, CAMERA ON.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HELP WITH THAT, BECAUSE I'M, FOR SOME REASON, LOGGED IN AS A GUEST.

IF YOU DISABLE THAT, I WILL POP ON THE VIDEO.

BUT MEANWHILE, THIS, THANK YOU, CHRIS, SO MUCH FOR THIS, THIS PRESENTATION.

I WOULD TELL YOU IT LEAVES ME MORE ENTHUSIASTIC THAN EVER ABOUT, MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING SOMETHING HERE.

WHEN I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AS A FAIR, IT WAS REALLY OUT OF CURIOSITY AND A SENSE OF ADVENTURE AND, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST THINKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES.

I THINK THAT.

I'M TRYING TO TURN MY CAMERA ON HERE.

THAT'S WHY I CAN'T DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE.

THERE IT GOES. WHERE WAS I? I COMPLETELY LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF START OVER HERE, I GUESS.

I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.

OH, YEAH? WHEN? WHEN WE FIRST GOT GOING ON THIS IDEA, I.

I WAS VERY AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT.

IT WAS IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO ME INDEPENDENTLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND I FIGURED THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO HARM IN BRINGING IT UP AT A COUNCIL MEETING.

I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT IT GOT TO MOVE FORWARD THIS FAR.

AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

CHRIS'S RESEARCH WAS VERY INTERESTING.

I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT OUR LOGO, WHILE, QUAINT IN A WAY, IS DEFINITELY OUTDATED.

AND I THINK FLAGSTAFF COULD USE SOMETHING MORE MODERN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT RECOGNIZES THE THE THE INDIGENOUS, INFLUENCE AND, LEGACY AND HERITAGE, INCLUDED IN ANY LOGO FOR FLAGSTAFF.

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AND I, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS HASN'T GOTTEN DONE RECENTLY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A BACK BURNER ISSUE.

IT REALLY ISN'T MUCH OF A PRIORITY FOR A CITY THAT'S GOING THROUGH SO MANY THINGS AS WE ARE.

BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, AN ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO SORT OF GRAB THINGS OFF THE BACKBURNER AND, JUST SORT OF GET GOING ON IT.

SO I THINK WE'VE DELAYED LONG ENOUGH ON DOING THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, A WHOLE REDESIGN FOR THE CITY SEAL AND THE CITY LOGO.

IN TERMS OF A FLAG, IT'S IF WE ONLY HAVE TWO FLAGS AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

I WOULDN'T FOCUS ANY EFFORT ON THAT, EXCEPT THAT MAYBE THE CITY LOGO GOES ON TO THE FLAG, THE WAY IT IS NOW, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD GO FORWARD WITH IT.

I, I GUESS I'LL KEEP THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COST AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR LATER, BUT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ANTICIPATE CHRIS'S NEXT QUESTION.

IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU PRESENTED, CHRIS, IS IS TOTALLY, REALISTIC, I THINK I THINK WE COULD DO ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

I'M. I'M HESITANT.

AS SOMEONE YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ARTIST.

I'M NOT A VISUAL ARTIST OR A GRAPHIC DESIGNER.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN PRETTY FAST.

I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL STORY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY JUST SHARED ABOUT THE, ORIGIN OF THE ARIZONA FLAG.

WE KNOW LOTS OF FLAG ORIGIN STORIES.

IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT IF IF WE IF WE PICK A SEAL AND A LOGO, THAT IT IS THE, THE PRODUCT OF AN INDIVIDUAL ARTIST, BUT THAT WE COULD HAVE, COMMISSIONS OR AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OF COMMISSIONERS PICKED THE FINALS, FOR US TO CHOOSE FROM.

I KIND OF LIKE THAT WINNOWING DOWN, IDEA.

WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS DESIGNED BY COMMITTEE, WHERE YOU GET, 10 OR 12 DIFFERENT PEOPLE ALL SAYING WHAT THEY WANT IN A LOGO OR A SEAL.

I THINK THAT WOULD GET CLUNKY.

IT WOULD. IT WOULD BE UNNECESSARILY, COMPETITIVE AND DIVISIVE.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I WILL, RESERVE FURTHER COMMENT FOR, AFTER MORE DISCUSSION.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANKS, CHRIS FOR THIS INFORMATION.

DEFINITELY VERY, VERY INTERESTING.

I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF DOING SOME REDESIGNS.

I, I LOVE THE STORY OF HOW THINGS HAVE KIND OF CHANGED OVER TIME, AND I REALLY KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF TRANSITIONING THE CURRENT LOGO TO THE SEAL.

I THINK IT IS MORE RECOGNIZABLE.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, GETS SEEN AS A SEAL IMAGE A LOT OF THE TIME.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY KIND OF SMOOTH TRANSITION, AND MAINTAINS THAT LEGACY AND THAT HERITAGE, HISTORY AND HERITAGE.

AT THE SAME TIME, I DEFINITELY LOVE THE IDEA OF REDESIGNING THE LOGO, AND I THINK IT PRESENTS A REALLY INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR US BECAUSE WE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS LATELY ABOUT THE RENAMING OF THE PEAK AND THE SHIFT TO THE NAME OMACHI, AND RECOGNIZING THE THE NEED FOR INDIGENOUS LAND ACTION AND RECOGNIZING THAT HERITAGE AND THE HISTORY OF FLAGSTAFF AS KEHLANI AND ALL OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT HISTORY AND HERITAGE IN AN OFFICIAL LOGO FOR THE CITY, AND RECOGNIZE THAT HISTORICAL NAMING AND AND THAT HISTORICAL PLACE.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, DOING THE DESIGN INTERNALLY WITH INPUT FROM A PANEL MADE UP OF COMMISSION MEMBERS.

I AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR ON THE CHALLENGES AND RISK OF DESIGN BY COMMITTEE.

ONE OF THE THE LAST, TASK THAT I WAS PART OF WITH MY FORMER EMPLOYER WAS REDESIGNING THE BRANDING AND THE LOGO FOR THAT, AND IT TOOK A VERY, VERY LONG TIME TO COME UP WITH A VERY RELATIVELY SIMPLE LOGO BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY, DIFFERENT OPINIONS BEING PUT INTO THAT PROCESS.

BUT, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST SAW BEFORE THIS ONE, I KNOW AND

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TRUST THAT WE HAVE A VERY SKILLED INTERNAL DESIGN TEAM AND A LOT OF GREAT VOICES THAT COULD ADD A LOT TO THIS CONVERSATION.

SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GO AND WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH IN A WAY THAT WOULD REALLY TELL THE STORY OF FLAGSTAFF AND GIVE US IMAGES THAT WE'RE PROUD TO PUT FORWARD AS REPRESENTATIONAL OF THE CULTURE AND STORY OF THIS PLACE.

SO THANKS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR VICE MAYOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I ACTUALLY LOVE LOGOS.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL RENDITIONS OF NEW LOGOS WITH MY BUSINESS AND.

THEY GIVE US A CHANCE TO REDEFINE WHO WE ARE.

AND THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE NEED MAYBE AN UPDATED VERSION.

I HAPPEN TO LIKE OUR CURRENT LOGO.

I'VE SAID THAT PUBLICLY, BUT I'M WILLING TO BEND ON THAT A LITTLE.

I DO STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE TIME AND FINANCES THAT THIS MAY TAKE FROM THE ORGANIZATION.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON.

WE ARE SHORT STAFFED.

WE HAVE.

MANY, MANY NEEDS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO BE MET.

STREETS, POLICE, FIRE.

AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NEW LOGO.

I LOVE IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

SO FOR ME.

I THINK USING THE CURRENT LOGO AND PUTTING IT TO A SEAL, THAT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MAYBE SAVE ON SOME TIME AND MONEY AND AND KEEP WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF WHAT I THINK IS AN OKAY LOGO.

AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE WORKING WITH, THE COMMUNITY AND A PANEL.

I SAY THAT HESITANTLY BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT TIME THAT WILL TAKE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAYBE ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS AN ORGANIZATION, WITH THE CORE SERVICES.

SO I REALLY AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

AND THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR, TO.

COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.

HI CHRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? OKAY.

YES. OKAY, GREAT.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT REDESIGNING OUR LOGO.

I THINK IT PROVIDES LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR US.

AND SO NOW I'M GOING TO, ASK THAT WE THINK ABOUT.

IF WE DO THIS, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THOSE POPULATIONS WHO HAVE, DEVELOPED THE CITY, WHO HAVE, MADE IT WHAT IT IS? WHILE WE SIT AT THE AT THE BASE OF THE SACRED PEAKS.

I GET THAT.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND SO WE NEED TO FIND A WAY THAT MIGHT INCORPORATE ALL OF THEM, INTO SOME TYPE OF A LOGO.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOPI SON ON THE MURDOCK CENTER.

THAT SON REPRESENTS MALE, FEMALE, EARTH, WIND, SACHSE, SON.

AND SO I THINK THAT TRYING TO FIND SYMBOLS THAT BRING US TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT 3 TO 5 PEOPLE WHO WE KNOW IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK IN A GROUP.

AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM, WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE GREAT IDEAS.

WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND ARE NOT SELF-SERVING.

AND SO I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF, OF OF MY HEAD.

AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S BRING THOSE FOLKS TOGETHER AND LET THEM START THE PROCESS, GIVE THEM A TIMELINE, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE THINK WE WANT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ASK THEM, GIVE THEM THE, THE DIRECTION.

NOW WE NEED TO HAVE A STAFF PERSON KIND OF OVERSEE THAT GROUP.

IT'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SO WE DON'T HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, OPEN MEETING STUFF.

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AND STERLING CAN FIGURE OUT ALL OF THAT.

AND SO I THINK GOING THAT WAY AND THEN WHAT THEY BRING BACK, TO US, WE COULD PUT IT OUT THERE AND LET PEOPLE SEE IT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE, HALL OF THE CITY HALL OR WHETHER THAT'S ONLINE OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND SO THAT WAY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN, CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THEM AND GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK.

BUT LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SEVEN OF US ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WE DO OR WHAT WE CHOOSE BECAUSE, 70,000 PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS.

AND I WAS ALSO AT THAT MEETING, YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, WHENEVER IT WAS WITH, THE MAY HICKS, PROPERTY AND, READ A WHOLE BUNCH OF HISTORY ABOUT HER AND HER FAMILY.

AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT HER HOUSE IS IN THE SOUTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING.

AND SO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT ALSO, WITH, COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET, I'M BEING REALLY CAUTIOUS ABOUT OUR TIME AND OUR RESOURCES.

AND WHILE THIS IS DEFINITELY, A GREAT IDEA AND I LOVE IT BECAUSE I LIKE SYMBOLISMS AND LOGOS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE SHORT STAFFED.

YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE WORKING ON.

AND SO WHY NOT LET THOSE 3 TO 5 PEOPLE, COME TOGETHER AND DO THIS FOR US? AND THAT WAY OUR STAFF TIME ISN'T TAKEN UP WITH IT.

SO MY $0.02.

YOU KNOW, THIS FARE ITEM FIRST, CAME FORWARD.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

I WASN'T, REAL THRILLED ABOUT IT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'M THINKING DOLLARS AND CENTS AND NOT JUST A TIME COMMITMENT, BUT JUST CHANGING OUT.

THE, YOU KNOW, LETTERHEAD AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT THOSE STAMPS ON.

BUT SEEING THE INCONSISTENCIES OF OUR LOGO AND OUR STAMP AND STUFF I SEE THERE.

DEFINITELY. IS A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THAT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET PAST IT, BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME, AND I THINK YOU SHOWED GREAT EXAMPLES OF OTHER CITIES, IS WE COULD THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF IN THERE AND MAKE IT LOOK SUPER BUSY, AND IT WOULD BE VERY COMPLICATED TO THEN PUT ON ALL DOCUMENTS AND VEHICLES AND STUFF. I'M.

I'M OPEN TO, I'M INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING WHERE WE COULD TAKE THIS.

LOCAL ARTISTS, FOR SURE.

NOT SPENDING A LOT OF STAFF, TIME COMMITMENT, BUT DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, GIVES PARAMETERS SO WE DON'T GO TOO FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S WE HAVE SO MUCH RICH HISTORY IN FLAGSTAFF.

TO IF WE GOT TOO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT, IT'D BE A VERY BUSY, CANVAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE THE THE RISING OF THE PHENIX SUN IN PHENIX.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THE BIRD.

JUST DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET TO A SLIM, SIMPLISTIC LOGO, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT OUR COMMUNITY COULD COME UP WITH. AND IF WE COULD DO IT, I DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO DO IT IN A PHASE OUT AND NOT A TOTAL REPLACEMENT.

I'VE DONE THAT ONCE BEFORE, A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE IN THE BANKING COMMUNITY, AND IT'S A IT'S A BIG NIGHTMARE, NIGHTMARE AND BIG EXPENSE INTO, COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET'S COMMENTS.

WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS.

AND IT COULD GET INTO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF WE DIDN'T KEEP IT IN THE REINS.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD PHASE INTO IT AND STUFF.

AND I WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SUPER BIG NEEDS.

AND THIS IS KIND OF A WISH LIST FOR ME.

SO I'D LIKE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME PARAMETERS TO KEEP IT TIGHT AND SIMPLE.

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JUST BECAUSE THE LAST THREE MEMBERS HAVE ALL MENTIONED MENTIONED THIS.

I WANTED JUST TO SPEAK TO THE THE COST AND STAFF TIME POINT.

IF YOU WANT TO GO THE DIRECTION THAT'S GOING TO USE EITHER A BORDER COMMISSION OR A SPECIAL PANEL FOR THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC FIGURES FOR YOU RIGHT HERE, BUT I WANT TO HARP THAT.

I, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND TELL THEM THAT THIS WAS NOT EXPENSIVE AND WAS NOT A HUGE DRAW ON STAFF, STAFF MEMBER TIME, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE DOING A BIG CONTRACT AND WE'D BE USING, THE SKILLS AND TIME OF PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE CITY IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY ON COMMISSIONS OR WHETHER THEY'RE JUST VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS, BUT WHO ARE VOLUNTEERS.

SO I THINK THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE EXPERTISE OF THEM BOTH FOR THE DESIGN PROCESS AND FOR HELPING TO WEAN IT DOWN AND COME UP WITH A FINAL CANDIDATE OR TWO FOR ALL OF YOUR SELECTION.

I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT THAT THE STAFF TIME THAT GOES INTO THAT WOULD BE RELATIVELY SMALL.

IT'D BE OVERSEEING A FEW OR MANY MEETINGS IT TAKES AND THEN COORDINATING COMMUNICATION AND, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK ON DIGITIZING SOMETHING.

BUT IT WOULD JUST IT WOULD NOT BE A HUGE DRAW ON STAFF TIME.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A SELLING POINT TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

BUT I'M CONFIDENT TELLING YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, I'VE GOT A SERIES OF THOUGHTS.

THE FIRST ONE THAT POPS INTO MY MIND IS.

DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE.

SO. I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN NEED TO DO THIS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I'LL SAY THAT I HAVE DESIGNED THREE LOGOS MYSELF FOR VARIOUS THINGS THAT I'VE DONE IN MY LIFE.

WELL, I MEAN, IF WE DO THIS, I'LL PROBABLY THROW IN SOME IDEAS.

GOOD LOGOS.

YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE A GOOD LOGO.

YOU HEARD MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE ARIZONA FLAG.

SO, I MEAN, I DO APPRECIATE A GOOD FLAG, A GOOD LOGO.

MY THOUGHT IS THAT IT HAS TO BE SIMPLE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE EVERY LITTLE THING THAT WE.

ASSOCIATE THIS WONDERFUL CITY WITH.

I NOT SO MUCH IN INCLINED TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL.

I'M MORE INCLINED TO SAY IF WE DO THIS, INCIDENTALLY, IF WE DO IT, A PUBLIC PROCESS AND SOME OF THE IDEAS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, COULD MAKE SENSE.

SO. AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST TO DEVELOP IT.

IT'S ALWAYS I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS AN ENGINEER AND I DID COST ESTIMATES, I DO AN HONEST ESTIMATE, AND THEN I DOUBLE IT OR TRIPLE IT BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO ALWAYS COST 2 OR 3 TIMES AS MUCH.

AND THEN TO INCORPORATE IT.

I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY SHOULD PHASE IT IN GRADUALLY.

BUT EVEN THAT CAN BE A HORRENDOUS COST.

AND I JUST KIND OF WONDER IF IT'S WORTH IT.

SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT THIS IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, FINE.

AND I'LL PARTICIPATE AND MAYBE WE WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING REALLY COOL.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, LIKE MY FIRST COMMENT IS I'M NOT I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A.

AMAZING DEMAND OR NEED TO UPDATE OUR LOGO.

AND AS FAR AS THE SEAL, IT'S LIKE, WHO CARES? IT'S JUST TIME FOR SOME PAPERWORK AND THE FLAG.

IT COULD JUST BE THE LOGO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF SOMEONE COMES UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEA FOR A FLAG THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE LOGO, I'D BE OPEN MINDED ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT.

I DO THINK IT'S TIME TO, REVISIT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT. SO KIND OF OUR NEW NOT UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE MANY OF US HAVE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD, BUT OUR, MAYBE GREATER AWARENESS OF, OF CONTRIBUTORS TO THE THE THE START OF OUR CITY AND TAKING US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

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AND I WOULD BE ALL ABOUT HIRING AN EXTERNAL GRAPHIC DESIGNER WITH A VERY, IT ME. AND CONSIDERING THIS TO BE A MODESTLY PRICED ITEM, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING FOR, NOWHERE NEAR THE WAY I THINK YOU SAID 20,000.

THE THE OF THE RANGE THAT I SAW.

OF THE FIVE THAT WERE DONE, THE CHEAPEST WAS 20,000.

THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAS 65,000.

OKAY. SO CLOSER TO THE LOWER END, BECAUSE I THINK THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE PUBLIC IN SOME WAY.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL TAKE UP A GOOD DEAL OF STAFF TIME.

SO TO ALSO BE CREATING THE LOGO, I THINK WOULD POSSIBLY OVERWHELM YOU ALL.

IT'S NOT A GRAPHIC DESIGN SKILL THAT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.

IT'S TIME.

AND ANY GRAPHIC DESIGNER, IF I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, A BUNCH OF ELEMENTS AND POURING THEM IN THERE BECAUSE ANY GOOD GRAPHIC DESIGNER WOULD QUIT IF WE ASKED FOR A LOGO THAT INCORPORATED EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS A PART OF OUR HISTORY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT THE PUBLIC CAN HELP US HONE IN ON MAYBE A COUPLE OF ICONS THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE.

AND I DO THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC TO HAVE SOME BUY IN.

AND IT IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS STARTING OUT WITH A SURVEY ASKING FOR LOGO ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR PEOPLE LIKE, WHAT IS IT THAT REPRESENTS FLAGSTAFF TO YOU? AND MAYBE WE COULD EVEN FIND AN NIU INTERN WHO WANTED TO, DO SOME FOCUS GROUPS WITH SOME OF THE THE PEOPLE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT AND JUST LONG TIMERS AND FLAGSTAFF INCLUDE NO ARCHIVES. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY THERE.

AND DEFINITELY PHASE IN JUST AS WE GO ALONG.

AND I THINK THE I MEAN, DEFINITELY WE WANT THE SAME DATE ON ANYTHING THAT'S GOT A DATE.

WE SHOULD AGREE ON WHAT THAT DATE IS AND, AND INCLUDE THAT.

SO. THAT'S WHERE I AM.

AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ALL OF THIS TO US, BECAUSE I HEAR US ALL.

AND THAT INCLUDES ME NOT WANTING THIS TO BECOME AN OVERWHELMING PROJECT AND TO SUPPLANT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE COULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THE PROCESS OF ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AND JUST THINKING ABOUT WHERE FLAGSTAFF HAS COME AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US AS A COMMUNITY IS ALWAYS AN INTERESTING AND, AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO.

AND. SO GETTING A LOGO OUT OF THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS LONG AS WE DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON IT. OKAY.

SO JUST I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION CLEARLY HERE.

THE OPTION ESSENTIALLY IS, IS NOT ONE YOU DO WANT TO EMBARK ON A PROCESS.

I HEARD TWO SAYING USE THE EXISTING LOGO WAS THE SEAL.

IS THAT IS THAT CONSTITUTE DIRECTION FROM THE WHOLE GROUP, OR IS THAT SHOULD SEAL BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT? I HEARD YES ON LOGO, BUT THE SEAL I I'M UNCLEAR ON SO AND AGAIN WITH THE SEAL YOU SAID REALLY IT ONLY SHOWS UP ON DOCUMENTS RIGHT.

YEAH. IT'S, IT'S ON THE PAPER THAT YOU FOR ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK WE DON'T NEED SEAL IN 16 POINT FONT ON IT.

THE WORD SEAL PROBABLY NOT.

AND WE NEED THE CORRECT DATE.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, I DON'T.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY $0.02.

I'M SEEING NODS O COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

JUST A THOUGHT.

BECAUSE IF WE ARE EMBARKING ON THE PROCESS OF REPLACING THE LOGO AND THERE ARE FOLKS THAT LIKE THE LOGO, I THINK THAT WOULD PUSH A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE TOWARDS THE IDEA OF REPLACING

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THE CURRENT SEAL WITH THAT LOGO SO THAT IT'S NOT COMPLETELY LOST, BECAUSE I THINK IN THIS PROCESS, THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING, YOU'RE RUNNING THE RISK OF LOSING THE SEAL, THAT OR THE LOGO THAT SOME PEOPLE LIKE.

SO I WOULD KIND OF PUSH TOWARDS THAT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

DID YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP? COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

IT WOULD WARM MY HEART TO KEEP OUR LOGO SOMEWHERE IN THIS.

AND WE I'M GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE A SOMEONE ONLINE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WE DO.

JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT HERE.

SABRINA, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE AND OFFER YOUR COMMENTS NOW.

SABRINA, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE.

MAYOR. WE'RE NOT GETTING A RESPONSE.

I WOULD SUGGEST WE MOVE ON.

OKAY. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU I BELIEVE SO I JUST WANT TO STATE IT.

AND THEN IF YOU CAN TELL ME I'M CORRECT.

YES. PLEASE MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER HERE.

SO THE DIRECTION IS.

YES. ON THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT A NEW LOGO.

AND I BELIEVE IT'S TO TAKE THE EXISTING ONE AND MAKE IT OUR SEAL AND FIX THE DATE.

IS THAT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY HAS SOMETHING.

I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CURRENT LOGO WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR A SEAL.

A SEAL IS USUALLY A VERY SIMPLE.

JUST LOOK AT THE EXISTING ONE.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

I WOULD, I'M JUST ONE GUY, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP IT MORE THE WAY IT IS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GET RID OF THOSE, THE SEAL WORDS OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST A THOUGHT.

GO AHEAD. AND YOU HAD INDICATED IN THE BEGINNING THAT SEALS COULD BE.

MORE ORNATE, LIKE THE CITY OF SCOTTSDALE WAS PRETTY ORNATE.

THEY CAN BE. IF YOU THINK OF THE SEAL OF ARIZONA AS WELL.

IT'S A DAIS, AND IT HAS, I THINK A LANDSCAPE OF A FARM.

SO I, RESPECTFULLY, THE COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

I THINK THAT, IT'S FAIRLY COMMON FOR SEALS TO LOOK MORE INTRICATE AND HAVE A LANDSCAPE OR A DESIGN SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR CURRENT LOGO LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. CONTINUE.

OKAY. SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE.

WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE THE DATE IS CORRECT ON IT.

AND, AND WE'LL LOOK AT MAKING THAT ONE.

THE SEAL THAT WE USE FOR THOSE OFFICIAL PURPOSES, WE'LL LOOK AT THE PROCESS FOR A LOGO.

AND THEN I HEARD ON THE FLAG IT WAS JUST TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

IF YOU GET A GOOD DESIGN, BRING IT TO YOU.

BUT IF NOT, LET'S NOT MAKE THAT A WHOLE FIXTURE OF THE OF THE OUTREACH RATE.

I'M SEEING HEAD NODS FROM THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN ON THE SECOND ONE, WHICH I THINK YOU ALSO SPOKE TO IN SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS THERE, I HEARD A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT ON THIS ONE.

SO I THINK, MAYOR, YOU WANTED TO GO WITH A EXTERNAL PROCESS.

I HEARD, OTHERS SAYING TO USE COMMISSIONS AND IT WASN'T APPARENT TO ME.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'LL ASK IS, TO TO CLARIFY, OPTION ONE IS THAT WE HIRED OUT IN SOME PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN IS DONE BY A PARTY EXTERNAL TO THE CITY.

THE SECOND ONE IS YOU ASSIGN IT TO CITY STAFF, AND CITY STAFF COMES UP WITH IT, MAYBE WITH THE HELP OF SOME OF THOSE GROUPS.

AND THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE THAT WE ACTUALLY SOLICIT DESIGNS FROM THE PUBLIC WHERE WE WE ASKED THEM TO SEND US YOUR IDEAS, NOT JUST BITS AND PIECES.

DOES THAT ARE THOSE THREE DISTINCT OPTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE? YES I THINK.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE WHO SAID THAT.

THEY DIDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN SOME WAY.

RIGHT. IN SOME FEEDBACK.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS HAS A COMMENT.

MAYOR, YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.

AND IT WAS KIND OF RESONATED WITH MY CONCERNS ABOUT.

LOCAL DESIGN, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD NOT TO, TO PREVENT IT FROM GETTING REAL BUSY.

SO I'VE KIND OF CHANGED MY MIND FROM MY FIRST COMMENT WHERE IF WE'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY HIRED OUT AND THEN GET PUBLIC

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COMMENT ON, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN SOME DEGREE, BUT THE ACTUAL DESIGN, HAVING SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS PROFESSIONALLY FOR MUNICIPALITY LOGOS.

WAS. IS THAT WHERE YOU WERE GOING ON THIS? NOT NECESSARILY MUNICIPALITY LOGOS, BUT JUST SOMEONE WHO WHO HAS QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN DESIGNING LOGOS TO FREE UP STAFF, TO SPEND YOUR TIME ON THE PUBLIC PROCESS PORTION OF IT. UNDER UNDERSTOOD ON THAT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I'LL NOTE THAT IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO AN RFP PROCESS THAT WILL ADD AN ELEMENT TO OUR STAFF TIME.

NO. OKAY, MAYOR.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.

YES. LET ME LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT HELP.

NIU HAS A DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY WILL TAKE ON A PROJECT, AND THE WHOLE CLASS WILL WORK ON IT.

AND THEY HAVE A FACULTY.

THE FACULTY MEMBER OF THAT CLASS WILL, WORK WITH THE STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, TO DO WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS.

OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE USED THAT CLASS, TO DO, DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROJECTS.

SO WHY DON'T WE EXPLORE THAT? THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AN RFP.

WE HAVE A WHOLE CLASS OF CREATIVE YOUNG PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.

OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM INPUT AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF, AND THEY'LL FIGURE OUT A PROCESS TO GET ALL THAT INPUT.

THIS IS PART OF WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE TAKING THEIR EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT'S A SEMINAR CLASS.

I THINK IT'S THEIR SENIOR.

WHAT IS IT CALLED? BECKY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE SENIOR CLASS LIKE THE CAPSTONE.

YES, THAT'S THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.

AND SO IT'S THEIR SENIOR CAPSTONE CLASS, AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THEIR WORK FROM DIFFERENT CLASSES, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

SO I WOULD SAY LET'S LET'S EXPLORE THAT.

AND CHRIS CAN ALWAYS BE THEIR, THEIR CONTACT PERSON, YOU KNOW OR WHATEVER.

BUT THAT WAY WE DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO AN RFP BECAUSE THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR IT.

AND SO I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A NICE WAY TO BRING NIU AND THE CITY TOGETHER ON A PROJECT THAT MIGHT.

BE BENEFICIAL FOR OUR STUDENTS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY.

SO JUST A THOUGHT.

VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. THAT'S, JUST REALLY QUICK PIGGYBACKING OFF WHAT I JUST HEARD.

IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.

COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS PRIMARILY ABOUT TIMELINE AND JUST THE THE AMOUNT OF CONTROL THE CITY HAS OF THE PROCESS. LET ME LET ME PAINT SOME BROAD.

BOUNDARIES HERE, CHRIS.

AND AND YOU CAN DO WITH THAT WHAT YOU WILL IN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DIRECTION FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC ELEMENT TO THIS.

IF THAT, MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE END, AT THE BEGINNING, SOMETHING SIMPLE.

NOTHING TO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STRICTLY SCIENTIFIC OR TO, PROFESSIONAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A SURVEY OR JUST, YOU KNOW, READING THE TEA LEAVES, JUST GETTING THE, THE, THE SENSE FROM THE INTERESTED PUBLIC OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.

IN THIS.

AND THEN.

ALSO TOWARDS THE END, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE PUBLIC, BUT SPECIFICALLY, LET'S LET'S, UTILIZE THE, FOLKS FROM A COMMISSION.

I REALLY LIKE JANA'S IDEA OF THE AD HOC, AND I LOVE THE COMMISSIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT WERE IDENTIFIED FOR THAT POTENTIAL IDEA, TO, TO TAKE SEVERAL IDEAS THAT ARE GENERATED AND NARROW IT DOWN, TO SOME FINAL CHOICES.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL SHOULD CHOOSE THE FINAL ONE, OR IF WE SHOULD AVOID THAT.

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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR US TO GRAPPLE WITH.

I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON IT RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN I.

I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF.

REDESIGNING INTERNALLY.

I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH OUR DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF TEAM AND ALL THE GRAPHIC ARTISTS THAT WE HAVE DOING STUFF.

TIME AND AGAIN.

THEY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES VERY COMPETENT AND VERY ADEPT AND AND VERY CREATIVE AND ARTISTIC WITH THE, THE, THE BRANDING AND MARKETING THAT WE DO.

BUT ALSO I, I WOULD EXTEND THE OPPORTUNITY TO A SEVERAL SPECIFIC ARTISTS IN TOWN. PERHAPS THAT THE PUBLIC IDENTIFIES AS AS WELL AS INTERNALLY.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO CLUNKY OF A PROCESS.

I THINK WE COULD FIGURE THAT OUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A SOLAR SYSTEM OF DESIGNS THAT COULD THAT COULD BE NARROWED DOWN TO.

THREE CHOICES.

BUY THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE.

AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

SO I HOPE THAT, PROVIDES SOME, I RAILS FOR YOU? CHRIS. ANOTHER.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING, ALSO SORT OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THE MAYOR, I DO THINK THIS PROCESS, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE GREATER THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS.

SO WE END UP SPENDING SOME MONEY AND WE GET A NEW SEAL OUT OF THIS.

BUT IT'S ALSO A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR, FOR FOR PUBLIC, INPUT AND JUST THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND A DIALOG AND A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT, HOW HOW WE SEE OURSELVES AS FLAGSTAFF.

IT'S IT'S IT'S A CONDUIT FOR THAT SORT OF ACTIVITY.

AND I THINK IT WILL BE A POSITIVE ONE.

I THINK IT WILL BE AN UPLIFTING ONE.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL ENJOY IT, IN THE END.

AND IT CREATES A SPACE FOR DIALOG, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING TO ME.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS'S IDEA ABOUT GETTING SOME OF THE GRAD STUDENTS OR WHOEVER OVER AT NIU INVOLVED IS A GREAT IDEA.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S EXCLUSIVE.

IT MIGHT BE THAT PLUS SOME STAFF PEOPLE, PLUS SOME PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS, WHATEVER.

BUT I THINK INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS IS A GREAT IDEA.

I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS IN GRAD SCHOOL, WE DID SOME VERY IMPORTANT WORK AND IT WAS TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY AND USED.

SO I THINK THIS MIGHT BE ANOTHER CHANCE TO DO A SIMILAR THING.

THANK YOU. IN.

HEIDI HAD A COMMENT.

MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS HEIDI HANSEN, ECONOMIC VITALITY DIRECTOR.

I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON THIS, AND CHRIS AND I DID TALK A LITTLE BIT PRIOR TO HIM COMING BEFORE YOU.

FIRST OFF, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON A FEW THINGS, AND I HOPE THIS DOESN'T COMPLICATE IT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW OR DECIDE TO DO IT LATER, ANOTHER MEETING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS LATER.

SO FIRST OFF, IF YOU DO, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE CURRENT LOGO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.

SO IF YOU DON'T DECIDE WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO KEEP IN AND THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU LIKE TO TAKE OUT? THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR ANYBODY WITH AN RFP OR WITH A STUDENTS AT NIU OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF GIVE THEM AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO GO WITH IT.

ONCE YOU'VE DECIDED THAT AS A GROUP, THEN I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER, A MEETING WITH WHOEVER IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND ALSO GET OTHER MARKETING GROUPS INVOLVED BECAUSE OTHER MARKETING GROUPS ARE GOING TO WANT TO GET PAID.

SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THAT.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS A PROCESS WHERE IT'S, A GROWING OPPORTUNITY FOR NIU OR FOR A COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE GETTING INVOLVED? HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT THAT? OR YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, I WANT THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS WE WANT.

WE'RE CREATING AN RFP AND THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING.

SO AND I WILL TELL YOU IT'S ABOUT $50,000, NOT 20 TO DO A LOGO CREATION AND TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT YOUR

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SEAL. IT'S IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

YOU'RE SPOT ON TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, WHY FIX IT? SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU IT WILL BE COSTLY TO CHANGE YOUR LOGO AND TO PHASE IT IN.

WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT WILL BE COSTLY AND IT IS A LITTLE.

IT'S MORE THAN JUST TAKING A LOGO AND MAKING IT A SEAL.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, DO YOU? IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ELEMENT FOR THE LOGO, THEN WHY DO YOU LIKE IT IN THE SEAL? SO YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THESE THINGS THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING YOU GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.

AND CHRIS IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB TRYING TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THOSE ARE A FEW OF THE THINGS I THINK YOU NEED TO REALLY WORK OUT.

DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR SOMEONE TO DO IT? WE HAVE TO WRITE AN RFP.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY IN THAT RFP? WE CAN HELP YOU AS AS STAFF, OF COURSE.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE ABOUT IT? AND REALLY, WHO'S THIS FOR? WHO AT THE END OF THE DAY IS ASKING ABOUT IT? AND WHY IS THIS GOING TO WHAT'S THIS GOING TO DO TO ELEVATE THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF? AND THEN THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER, I KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS IS VERY GOOD ABOUT INCLUDING THE MASSES, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS IS ABOUT FLAGSTAFF.

SO EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THAT MIGHT BE AN OUTLYING AREAS.

THEY HAVE THEIR LOGOS.

SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT WHEN SOMEONE SEES THIS, WHAT DO THEY SEE ABOUT FLAGSTAFF? YOU CAN'T BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY.

AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF LOGO, YOU SEE THE PEAKS.

WE TALK ABOUT BEING THE DESTINATION FOR ALL SEASONS.

WE COULD DO MULTIPLE THINGS TO SHOW THAT WE ARE A DESTINATION FOR ALL SEASONS.

WE CHOSE AN IMAGE BECAUSE IT'S TOO COMPLICATED WHEN YOU DON'T.

SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER BEING TO SIMPLIFY THIS AND NOT TO HAVE TOO MANY ELEMENTS IN IT, AND THEN TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE AND GIVE DIRECTION A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DIRECTION.

IF NOT TONIGHT, MAYBE AT ANOTHER MEETING, BUT I'M JUST THROWING THOSE ELEMENTS OUT BECAUSE IT'S A LOT MORE THAN.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE, AND CHRIS COULD GO AND DO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW, DO YOU WANT IT FOR FREE? DO YOU WANT IT? DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THANK THANK YOU.

HEIDI. IF I CAN TRY TO LAND IT.

SO WE'RE ALL TALKING ON THE SAME PAGE HERE A LITTLE BIT.

IF THERE'S MORE CONVERSATION, I'M HAPPY TO TO HEAR THAT AS WELL, BUT I, I DO HAVE KIND OF A CONCEPTION, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, OF A WAY THAT I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND INCORPORATE THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.

BUT IF IF THERE'S MORE CONVERSATION AFTER WHAT HEIDI SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT FIRST BEFORE I GO DOWN THAT PATH.

SO, WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT IT ON A, ON A FUTURE AGENDA SO THAT WE HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THESE.

CAN I CAN I OFFER, A CONCEPTION OF A DIRECTION MAYBE THAT I THINK CERTAINLY WOULD SATISFY THE CONDITIONS OF EVERYONE THAT'S THAT'S BEEN UP HERE OR THAT'S BEEN SPOKEN. SO, IT SOUNDS TO ME AS IF THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS ON INVOLVING EITHER A PANEL OF SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR AN EXISTING BOARD OR COMMISSION AND A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THAT PROCESS.

I WHETHER WE GO INTERNALLY OR EXTERNALLY, I I'LL KIND OF SIDESTEP THAT FOR THE MEANTIME.

BUT IF WE DID A PROCESS THAT WE ESTABLISHED A GROUP AND IT COULD BE A BOARD OR IT COULD BE A PEOPLE ON A BOARD, YOU COULD ADD A COUPLE PEOPLE TO IT.

IF YOU WANTED CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE COULD MAKE A DESIGNATED BODY, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE, AND GIVE THEM A SPECIFIC TASK OF SAYING, HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING BACK TO US AND SAY, WE WANT IT TO BE SIMPLE.

WE WANT IT TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM GUIDELINES OF WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.

THEN THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN, IF THEY'RE IF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEIR TASK IS TO BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING AND YOU'VE GIVEN A FEW BASIC THINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, THAT CAN BE THAT GROUP'S OPERATION, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND MISS THOSE CRITERIA, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THAT GROUP.

WE COULD USE THEM AND THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC THROUGH A SURVEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO WEAN DOWN DESIGNS TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE 2 OR 3 THAT ARE ACTIONABLE AND WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU AND.

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SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WAY THAT IF WE SOLICIT, WE COULD SOLICIT THINGS FROM YOU, WE COULD REACH OUT TO LOCAL ARTISTS.

WE COULD DO THAT AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH ON THIS PROCESS SO THAT THOSE THOSE GROUPS AND THOSE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS WE WANT TO BE INCLUDED ARE INCLUDED EITHER BY BEING INVITED TO SUBMIT TO IT OR IF YOU LIKE, BEING ADDED TO IT SPECIFICALLY.

AND THEN THAT GROUP WINDS IT DOWN WITH DEFINED CRITERIA.

AND WE HAVE A FEW SUBMITTALS TO BRING TO YOU AS FINAL AS FINAL CANDIDATES.

I THINK THAT SATISFIES THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PART.

IT INVOLVES PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT TO INVOLVE.

AND IT GIVES US AN ACTIONABLE GOAL TO BRING BACK A DESIGN THAT WILL, WILL HOPEFULLY MEET ALL THE CRITERIA AND EXPECTATIONS OF OF A GOOD DESIGN.

FIRST OF OFF, FIRST OF OFF.

FIRST OFF.

GOOD JOB CONDENSING ALL OF THIS INTO THAT.

AND SECONDLY, COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.

I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME, BUT NOT ALL OF MISS HANSON'S COMMENTS.

WHAT DO I LIKE ABOUT OUR EXISTING LOGO? I THINK THE FLAG HAS TO BE PART OF IT.

I THINK THE MOUNTAINS ARE PROBABLY THE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT.

THE TREES ARE KIND OF NICE, BUT THE FLAG AND THE MOUNTAINS.

AND THEN I HAVE TWO COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT.

IT NEEDS TO BE SIMPLIFIED.

THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS IT NEEDS TO BE SIMPLIFIED.

A COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.

YEAH. SO FIRST, I APPRECIATE THE SUMMARY THAT YOU JUST DID.

I'M ON BOARD WITH WHAT YOU WERE JUST PROPOSING, CHRIS.

I'LL JUST SAY, FOR MY PART, I DON'T DISLIKE THE LOOK OF THE LOGO IN MY MIND, THOUGH.

AND THIS IS COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, I STUDIED ART IN UNDERGRAD.

I DO ART AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS OUTSIDE OF WORK.

TO ME, IT'S NOT A LOGO.

IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S OVERLY BUSY, IT'S OVERLY INTRICATE, AND IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF, IT.

IT JUST IT HAS SO MUCH GOING ON THAT IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT WHAT IN MY MIND CONSTITUTES AN ACTUAL LOGO.

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WORKS BETTER AS A SEAL, BECAUSE IT DOES TELL PART OF THE FLAGSTAFF STORY, BUT IT JUST HAS SO MUCH GOING ON WITH THOSE INTRICATE DETAILS THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT CONSTITUTES THE IDEA OF A REPRESENTATIONAL LOGO IMAGE OF WHAT FLAGSTAFF IS AND WHAT OUR STORY IS.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING US PURSUE, IS HOW TO BETTER CAPTURE THAT SYMBOLIC STORY OF FLAGSTAFF IN A SIMPLIFIED, BETTER WAY.

BUT, FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M ALSO REALLY WANTING TO SEE US KEEP THIS INTERNAL AND WORKING WITH THE PANEL AND KEEPING IT A SMALLER GROUP OF.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF OF OF BRINGING IN THE NIU STUDENTS AND, AND, PULLING FROM THE WORK THAT THEY DO.

BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE US COMMITTING TO AN RFP PROCESS OR TAKING THIS EXTERNAL, AT LEAST IN THESE INITIAL PHASES. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ALSO RUN THE RISK OF IS HIRING A COMPANY TO DO THIS, NOT LIKING ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE, TURNING IT DOWN AND HAVING WASTED THOSE RESOURCES AND THAT MONEY.

SO I'M REALLY LEANING MORE TOWARDS KEEPING IT MORE OF AN INTERNAL PROCESS AND MAYBE TAKING IT MORE EXTERNAL IF WE FEEL THAT WE NEED IT FOR A PROFESSIONAL DESIGN.

BUT I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT, WITH THE TALENT THAT I KNOW EXISTS WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE GROUPS THAT WE COULD BRING INTO THIS, THAT WE COULD GET THIS DONE.

IN A PRODUCTIVE WAY.

SO YES, CHRIS AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS AND THEN SWEET.

TWO VERY QUICK POINTS.

THE FIRST IS THAT I THINK IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM.

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I THINK THAT TAKES OFF THE TABLE USING COMMISSIONS OR A PUBLIC PROCESS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF SIDE, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU WANT TO HIRE IT OUT TO A, TO A FIRM THAT WE NOT EMBARK ON THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT TO MANAGE THE FIRM.

THE FIRM IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO BE SITTING IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'LL BALLOON THE COSTS IF THEY DO.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS INTERNALLY, LIKE THE ONE I JUST PUT THROUGH, I THINK A TIMELINE WOULD BE THAT WE COULD BRING YOU BACK A RESULT IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR AFTER YOUR SUMMER BREAK.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.

OKAY, SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS AS POSSIBLY AN OPTION? WHY DON'T WE ASK CHRIS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE NYU FACULTY MEMBER WHO RUNS THAT CLASS AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE THINK WE WANT, AND THEN LET THEM TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEIR GROUP COULD POSSIBLY DO.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET THE LOGO FINISHED TOMORROW, SO HAVING A CONVERSATION MIGHT GET SOME MORE CLARIFICATION, AND CHRIS MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, WOW, WELL, I THINK THEY CAN DO THIS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO I WOULD SAY, LET'S JUST EXPLORE THAT AND NOT RUSH THROUGH THIS.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE MAYBE TWO HOURS OF CHRIS'S TIME TO FIND OUT THAT IT'S NOT A VIABLE OR THAT IT IS A VIABLE OPTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

THANK HEIDI.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AND AGAIN I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT.

I DOING A LOGO IS SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S GETTING BUSINESS CARDS, CHANGED, T SHIRTS, ALL OF THAT.

AND I JUST I'M GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE OUR CORE SERVICES TAKEN CARE OF.

SO. I'M IN NO HURRY TO SEE THIS PROCESS HAPPEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BUDGET ON WHAT IT WOULD COST.

TO HAVE THIS DONE AND THAT EVEN IF WE HAVE NO YOU DOING THIS, WHAT DOES IT COST TO START CHANGING THINGS OUT? EVEN IF WE DO IT SLOWLY, IT'S STILL GOING TO COST MONEY.

AND I THINK I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ENOUGH PICTURE ON THE BUDGET WITH THIS.

I'M WILLING TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND I'M GLAD THAT IT IS HERE TONIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST REALLY AM STRUGGLING WITH WITH THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT.

SO I THINK WE'RE ESSENTIALLY.

BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING, CHRIS.

WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU REACHING OUT TO KNOW YOU AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND.

COMING TO US WITH A BUDGET, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT ADDING IT TO ANYTHING EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE REPLACING THINGS.

SO WE WOULD BE PURCHASING THAT THING ANYWAY, AND IT WOULD JUST HAVE THE NEW LOGO ON IT.

YEAH, JUST FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THIS BEFORE.

IT COSTS MONEY WHEN YOU ADD A NEW LOGO TO THE ITEM.

SO THAT IS A COST THAT DOES INCUR.

SO YES, I'M ORDERING THE REORDERING THE BUSINESS CARD, BUT NOW THE BUSINESS CARD NEEDS TO GET REDESIGNED WITH THE NEW LOGO.

SO THAT IS A COST.

THANKS, CHRIS. SO? SO. HEIDI.

MAYOR. SO IN COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET.

THIS IS WHY SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU DID USE AN OUT.

IF YOU USE AN OUTSIDE SERVICE, BECAUSE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE YOU BUY, YOU'RE BUYING IT.

SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO CREATE IT SO THAT IT CAN BE USED ON ANYTHING.

SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BUY BUSINESS CARDS.

IT REALLY ISN'T ANY ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE BUT YOU'RE YOU'VE ALREADY IN THE PRE WORK.

YOU'VE ALREADY MADE SURE THAT THE LOGO CAN BE SET ONTO THE BUSINESS CARD IN FULL COLOR OR BLACK AND WHITE, HOWEVER YOU NEED IT.

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SO YOU'RE BASICALLY GETTING THAT ALL IN THE COST.

IT'S REALLY DETERMINING I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS IS ASKING CHRIS TO REACH OUT, TO KNOW AND TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO ALSO KNOW WHAT ARE THEIR CAPABILITIES.

IT'S MORE THAN JUST CREATING ONE LOGO AND THEN ASKING US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RESIZE IT AND USE IT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED.

WE NEED TO KNOW THEY CAN DO IT FROM START TO FINISH.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SKILL SET OVER THERE IN THEIR GRAPHICS DEPARTMENT IS ANYMORE.

I WAS JUST LOOKING UP CAPSTONE RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL GRAPHIC DESIGN CAPSTONE PROGRAM, BUT WE CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR ALL OF US IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO GO WITH AN OUTSIDE SERVICE.

WHAT WE DO IN THE RFP IS WE TELL THEM EXACTLY HOW WE WANT THIS TO GO DOWN.

AND AND, CHRIS, UNLIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT IN THE RFP THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH.

WE COULD ASK THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH AND GET SOME INPUT ON ELEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EVEN EASIER.

I CAN HAVE DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF CREATE THIS LOGO FOR YOU, BUT I COULDN'T HAVE THEM DO THAT UNTIL I KNOW WHAT YOU DO AND DON'T LIKE AND AND THAT'S AND I HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY AND I WILL TELL YOU, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING ABOUT THE ELEMENTS THAT WE SHOULD KEEP.

IT'S JUST THAT AND THEN DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF CAN CREATE THAT LOGO AND THEY CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE IT IS PRINT READY, DIGITAL READY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED. BUT THEY WHAT THEY WON'T DO.

AND THIS IS WHERE CHRIS WOULD BE DOING THIS, IS THEY WILL NOT HAVE TIME TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE LOGO OR WHAT OTHER ASPECTS THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE LOGO.

BUT THEN IT GOES BACK TO WHAT VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING.

AND THEN YOU START DOING LOGO BY COMMUNITY BY DESIGN.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS TORTURE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN A DESIGN.

SO, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS.

BUT I THINK A IT'S A CHRIS CAN REACH OUT TO NOW, WE CAN SEE WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT WITH YOU TO YOU, WITH THAT INFORMATION I CAN TALK TO DISCOVER FLAGSTAFF.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.

WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU.

WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO AND AND DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE REALLY VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS.

I WILL SAY, I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE THE CURRENT LOGO, AND WE COULD TWEAK IT SOME TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE WE MADE CHANGES AND IT LOOKS FANCY AND NEW, BUT WE DIDN'T GO SO FAR OFF THE SPECTRUM THAT WE DON'T LOOK LIKE US.

SO THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS I CAN DO TOO.

AND MAYBE I CAN EVEN ASK RALPH AND HIS TEAM TO SHOW US THAT VISION THAT I HAVE AS WELL.

CHRIS DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT TEAM OVER PROMISE FOR THAT TEAM, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ON OFFLINE WITH THEM ON IT.

SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT NOW CAPSTONE IDEA.

IT DOES CONNECT US TO NOW, BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN IT MIGHT NOT WORK.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY IS.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON DESIGN THOUGH.