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EXCELLENT. WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK THIS OFF? LET'S CALL THIS.[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the City Council and to the general public that, at this work session, the City Council may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for discussion and consultation with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
WE'RE JUST BUDGET. RETREAT TO ORDER.CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? I GET HERE? VICE MAYOR ASLAN.
ALL RIGHT? PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
ANY OTHER PROTOCOL THIS MORNING BEFORE WE GET GOING? ARE WE GOOD? IF I MIGHT, YES, PLEASE.
REMINDER TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON STREAMING ONLINE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU IF YOU TALK.
I NEED YOU TO GET UP AND COME THIS WAY, ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.
BUT IF YOU CAN AT LEAST COME TO THIS BACK TABLE, WE'LL HEAR YOU.
ALL THE FOLKS ONLINE. THANK YOU.
CHAIR HERE. AND THEY'RE FINE TOO.
OKAY. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE AN EXTRA ONE RIGHT HERE.
YOU BET. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GET ROLLING.
[4. City Council Budget Retreat Presentation and Discussion Regarding FY 2024/2025 Budget]
THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR STARTING THE MEETING.THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU, PUBLIC WORKS FOR HOSTING.
AND, IN A MINUTE, I WILL REINTRODUCE YOU TO OUR FACILITATOR, AND WE'LL LAUNCH RIGHT INTO BUSINESS.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO START BY RECOGNIZING OUR MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET TEAM, WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING THIS, RETREAT TODAY AND TOMORROW. THOSE ON THE BUDGET TEAM, COULD YOU PLEASE STAND UP? HEIDI DERRYBERRY. I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY WITH US.
CAN WE GIVE THESE FOLKS A GREAT ROUND OF APPLAUSE? MOST OF THEM ARE STILL SMILING.
BUT YOUR TEAM WORKS VERY HARD, AND, LATELY, MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.
I DON'T SAY THAT TO TRY TO IMPRESS YOU.
I SAY THAT TO TRY TO, FRAME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF THE BUDGET SEASON.
AS I WAS, DRIVING IN TODAY, I WAS THINKING, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BUDGET SESSIONS ENDED THROUGH THE YEARS HERE AND ELSEWHERE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PROCESS AND, EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, PRESENTS DIFFERENT, CHARACTERISTICS AND THINGS THAT WE WRESTLE WITH.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OVER THE YEARS, BUDGETS SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
BUT THERE'S MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WITH COVID IN THE FEDERAL FUNDING THAT RESULTED THROUGH THE CARES PROGRAM, THE ARPA PROGRAM AND, AND OTHERS, THERE WAS A BIG INFUSION OF DOLLARS INTO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
AND IT IT WAS, A BLESSING AND A CURSE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE FUNDS TO DO THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE DID.
I THINK THIS YEAR AND THE NARRATIVE THAT WE CAN ALL, I THINK, LATCH ON TO AS WE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECOMES A LITTLE BIT EASIER AND THERE'S LESS MONEY.
AND WE WILL BE HEARING THIS OVER AND OVER TODAY.
AND SO IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT, I THINK, EASIER TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF, OF WHAT LIES AHEAD WHEN, RESOURCES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSTRAINED. SO THAT IS MY PREFACE OF THE DAY, AND I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR FACILITATOR BEFORE I DO A COUPLE OF QUICK HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS.
WE ALL KNOW THE PUBLIC WORKS LAYOUT BY NOW.
RESTROOMS OVER THERE, FOOD OVER THERE, KITCHEN OVER THERE.
THERE IS, NEW COFFEE MACHINE I DISCOVERED MOMENTS AGO OVER THERE.
WE ARE NOT, HANDCUFFED TO FOLGERS HERE.
YOU CAN ENJOY REALLY GOOD COFFEE, SO THAT'S GREAT.
AND, AS ALWAYS WITH THESE RETREATS, WE LIKE TO KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT INFORMAL AND ENGAGING.
THIS IS NOT A FORUM WHERE THE, LECTURE AND YOU LISTEN, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A DIALOG.
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AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU COME UP TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GO ON LIVE STREAM, DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS A HINDRANCE.WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
SO IF IT'S A RAISING OF THE HAND, THAT'S FINE.
INTERRUPTION. I THINK THAT'S ALL RIGHT, TOO.
JEFF WILL KEEP US, ONLINE AND ON TASK AND ON SCHEDULE, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE ENGAGING.
JEFF KENNEDY WAS, WITH US AT OUR LAST RETREAT.
FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, HE'S BEEN THE LEAD PASTOR OF THE FIRST MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH STAFF.
25 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE RADIO INDUSTRY.
WHO'S YOUR FAVORITE NFL TEAM? DENVER BRONCOS. COOL.
OH, WE HAVE GOT TO TALK LIKE YOU UNTIL NOW.
YEAH. THERE. THERE'S HOPE AND THERE'S HELP.
THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT NOW, SHANNON ANDERSON IS JUST, LIKE, BEAMING.
SHE'S LIKE, OH, THERE'S ANOTHER RAIDERS FAN IN FLAGSTAFF.
25 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN RETAIL MANAGEMENT, A DIE TRAINER AND COACH, VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE WITH EXPERIENCE AS A LINGUIST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.
JEFF HAS MADE HIS LIFE IN A MISSION TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO FIGHT FOR EQUALITY OF ALL, REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, RELIGION OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE HIM HERE TO LEAD US TODAY.
AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO JEFF.
LET'S GIVE HIM HIM A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
GOOD MORNING. I DIDN'T HEAR ANY APPLAUSE FROM THE DENVER BRONCOS FANS.
THAT'S OKAY. I'M NOT UPSET ABOUT THAT.
HERE'S WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND NFL FOOTBALL.
SO I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING IN THE NFL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
NEVER A CARDINAL FAN, BUT I WAS A HUGE FAN OF MY PAYCHECKS.
AND I ALWAYS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, COINCIDENTALLY WORE A BLACK SUIT WITH A GRAY SHIRT.
AND IT WAS PROBABLY THREE YEARS INTO THAT BEFORE ANYBODY RECOGNIZED THAT THAT WASN'T A COINCIDENCE.
ONE LAST THING ON THE RAIDERS FOR MY WHERE'S MY RAIDER FAN? LISTEN, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS ALREADY, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF RAIDER FANS HERE IN, IN FLAGSTAFF BECAUSE THE RAIDER NATION IS STRONG, STRONGER THAN EVER.
BUT NO MATTER NO MATTER WHO YOU'RE A FAN OF, LET ME GET SOME TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MINUTE.
AND YOU GO PLACES, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY THAT IS NOT A FAN OF YOURS.
PEOPLE WILL ROLL THEIR WINDOW DOWN AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT YOUR TEAM SUCKS.
THAT NEVER HAPPENS TO A RAIDER FAN.
I KNOW YOU'RE CARRYING WEAPONS JUST SO, SO YOU KNOW.
ALL RIGHT. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.
GOOD MORNING, MAYOR DAGGETT, VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
I GUESS THAT MEANS THAT I WASN'T TERRIBLE LAST TIME, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
BASICALLY EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
YEAH. SO, WHO HERE IS EITHER A FAN OF THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS, BELIEVES THE CHIEFS WILL WIN OR IS ROOTING FOR THEM IN SOME WAY FOR SOME REASON? SHOW OF HANDS. ALL RIGHT, I NEED YOU GUYS TO STAND OVER HERE, OKAY? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET YOU UP. JUST NEED YOU, CASEY, PEOPLE OVER HERE.
IF. IF YOU'RE A FAN, IF YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WIN, IF YOU HOPE THEY WIN FOR WHATEVER REASON.
ONLY FOUR OF YOU, I'M ACTUALLY IN ANYBODY BUT THE NINERS.
WOW. THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT.
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ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT SAME QUESTION FOR 40 NINERS FANS.ANYBODY HERE 40 NINERS FAN THINKS THEY'LL WIN.
CAN FAVORITE AMTRAK ROUTE IS THE SOUTHWEST CHIEF.
SO SHOULD I STAND OVER HERE? YOU SHOULD SHOULD.
WELL, IN A MINUTE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
ALL RIGHT. SO SO FOR EVERYONE WHO'S STILL SITTING, DO YOU HAVE A REASON TO CARE ABOUT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ALREADY? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
OKAY. SO GOOD. SO THE CARE LESS PEOPLE.
THIS IS PERFECT. THE CARE LESS PEOPLE.
I WANT YOU TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE, OKAY? BECAUSE THE REST OF YOU COULD CARE LESS.
NOW, IS IT THAT YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT FOOTBALL? OR YOU COULD JUST CARE LESS ABOUT THESE TEAMS? ANYBODY. THESE TEAMS CARE LESS ABOUT THESE TEAMS. FOOTBALL. OKAY, MAYOR, YOU'RE BOTH BIG FAN.
NO. OKAY. NO, WE SO WE HAVE TWO OF YOU THAT THAT COULD ABSOLUTELY CARE LESS ABOUT FOOTBALL.
I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE LISTENING BECAUSE.
LISTEN. SO YOU'RE HAVING A 40 NINER PARTY.
OKAY. IT'S ONLY FOR 40 NINER FANS.
OR AT LEAST PEOPLE WHO SOMEWHAT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU CARE ABOUT.
YOU'RE. YOUR PARTY'S REALLY PITIFUL RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU'RE HAVING ONE.
OKAY, THE REST OF THESE PEOPLE COULD CARE LESS.
GOT TWO THREE MINUTES AND THEN ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO BE A SPOKESPERSON NOW.
I'M GETTING WHILE YOU GUYS ARE STRATEGIZING OVER THERE.
WHILE YOU GUYS ARE STRATEGIZING OVER THERE, I WANT SOMEONE TO TELL ME OUT IN THE NO CARE PEOPLE.
I DIDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE THIS MANY CARE LESS PEOPLE REALLY DIDN'T.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT THAN WE HAD PLANNED.
AND YOU GUYS AREN'T TALKING, BUT YOU SHOULD BE.
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME, SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT YOU DO CARE ABOUT.
YEAH. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU LIKE? FOOTBALL. RIGHT. OKAY.
SO SO SO ONE OF THE WILD CARDS.
COULD BE THAT TAYLOR SWIFT IS GOING TO BE AT THEIR PARTY.
SO HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IT, BUT HE WANTS TO MEET TAYLOR SWIFT.
THIS COULD BE ON YOUR BUCKET LIST TO SEE SAN FRANCISCO.
OKAY, SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO CARE ABOUT? I JUST NEVER CARE. YEARS AGO, TWO YEARS.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU'RE GONNA GO EAT KANSAS CITY BARBECUE? YOU NEED TO GO OVER THERE. WHAT ABOUT YOU? YEAH. DID YOU HEAR HIM LAST NIGHT? OH, YEAH. YEAH. SO YOUR FOOD, OF COURSE, TO PAY OFF.
ALL RIGHT. YOU GET TO. YOU GET TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
THAT MEANS TAYLOR SWIFT WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE AT THAT PARTY.
YOU GUYS GOT ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.
YOU HAVE BIG RECEIVERS TO BE PART OF.
HE SURE IS DOING THE HALFTIME SHOW.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE HALFTIME.
ALL RIGHT. I'M PLAYING AT THE LECTURE.
SUPER BOWL ANYONE. JUST A WEEK FROM SUNDAY.
IS THIS THE SUPER BOWL? YEAH. OKAY.
SUPER BOWL PARTY. YEAH. REMEMBER, YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT FOOTBALL.
ALL RIGHT. ABOUT TEN MORE SECONDS.
ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. LISTEN.
LISTEN UP. ALRIGHT. TIME'S UP, TIME'S UP, TIME'S UP.
ALRIGHT. SO I, I THREW A COUPLE WILD CARDS IN THERE.
THREW A COUPLE WILD CARDS IN THERE BECAUSE I HEARD ONE PERSON SAY THEY CARED ABOUT TAYLOR SWIFT.
WELL, TAYLOR SWIFT IS GOING TO BE AT THEIR PARTY.
I WANT TO THROW, I WANT TO, I WANT TO THROW.
I GOT TWO DAUGHTERS. I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.
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I WANT TO. LET ME GET.LET'S GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK.
I WANT TO THROW JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
SO USHER IS THE HALFTIME PERFORMANCE.
OH, THIS GROUP OVER HERE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO TURN THE SOUND UP DURING THE HALFTIME SHOW OKAY.
THIS GROUP HERE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE HALFTIME SHOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY ROULETTE GET, CARDS WHATEVER.
YEAH OKAY. SO IF THE HALFTIME SHOW MATH SAY THAT.
SO IF THE HALFTIME SHOW MATTERS TO YOU, PLEASE GO OVER HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TALK DURING COMMERCIALS, SO.
ALL RIGHT. SO PICK A SPOKESPERSON.
YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 90S WITH YOUR THREE IDEAS TO TO CONVINCE WHOEVER YOU CAN IN THE REST OF THE ROOM TO COME TO YOUR PARTY. OR.
AND WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION? I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY.
OKAY. WHY SHOULD WE WANT MORE PEOPLE? OH. THERE'S THAT.
OKAY. THAT WASN'T PART OF THE DEAL.
ARE YOU GUYS READY? YOU GUYS READY? LET'S GO. LET'S GET. LET'S KEEP THIS GOING.
HE'S GOING TO. WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK? WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF THIS GROUP WAS GREG.
IS PEOPLE JUST GETTING DEBRIEFED AGAIN? DEBRIEFED? OKAY. YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR SPOKESPERSON READY.
THEY WEREN'T READY, SO. OH, ARE YOU READY TO GO? WE THINK SO. OKAY. LET'S GO.
SO. WE ARE CELEBRATING A TEAM THAT IS SEEING A QUARTERBACK PLAY HIS FIRST SUPER BOWL.
AFTER BEING THE VERY LAST PERSON DRAFTED TO THE NFL IN HIS SECOND YEAR, VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN TO THE SUPER BOWL A BUNCH OF TIMES.
SO WE'VE GOT THE NEW THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, THE NEW PLAYER PLAYING FOR A WEST COAST TEAM VERSUS.
THE CORNFIELDS OF THE MIDWEST, RIGHT? YEAH. I LOVE IT.
GO AHEAD. DON'T HAVE TAYLOR SWIFT.
SO SO SO SO LET ME JUMP IN THERE REAL QUICK.
ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THESE GUYS HAVE THE UNDERDOG OKAY.
SO IF YOU'RE A FAN OF UNDERDOGS GO STAND OVER HERE.
YEAH. YOU THROW A GOOD OVER HERE, I KNOW THAT.
WE GOTTA GET THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICK NOW.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE OTHER ARGUMENT WAS IT'S A WEST COAST TEAM.
OKAY? SO IF YOU HAVE ANY ALLEGIANCE ALLIANCE, CARE ABOUT THE WEST COAST, COME STAND OVER HERE.
WHAT WAS YOUR LAST ARGUMENT? OH, YEAH. AND? AND TAYLOR SWIFT IS NOT AT THIS PARTY.
OKAY, SO IF THAT MATTERS TO YOU, COME STAND OVER HERE.
HE PLAYED IN ARIZONA IN HIGH SCHOOL.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.
YOU GUYS ARE UP. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT? NOW LISTEN. LISTEN UP, LISTEN UP.
THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ALL OF THE THE THE CARELESS PEOPLE WHO JUMPED OVER HERE, IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING MORE COMPELLING ON THE OTHER SIDE, FEEL FREE TO CHANGE SIDES. OKAY.
YOU MAY THINK KANSAS CITY FLYOVER COUNTRY.
BUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AMAZING FOOD.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT. SOME OF THE BEST BARBECUE IN THE COUNTRY.
AND ALL THE FIXINS IN THE WORLD.
SALAD. THE BEST BARBECUE IN THE WORLD.
OKAY. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? NUMBER TWO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LEGIT TRAVIS KELCE AND TAYLOR SWIFT IMPERSONATORS AT OUR PARTY.
AND WE HAVE THE BROTHER WHO HAS PROMISED NOT TO TAKE HIS SHIRT OFF.
SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE VOLUME UP ON COMMERCIALS AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SHUT UP.
SO COMMERCIALS PUPPY BOWL, KANSAS CITY BARBECUE SWIFTIES.
ALL RIGHT. DID THAT MATTER? AN USHER. USHER OH, AN USHER AND USHER.
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ALL RIGHT. YES.ALL RIGHT. DID THAT MATTER TO ANYONE OUT THERE? COME ON ALREADY.
OKAY. DID DID THAT MATTER TO ANYONE OVER HERE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND? IT MATTERED, BUT NOT ENOUGH.
IT MATTERED. BUT. BUT NOT ENOUGH.
SURE. ALMOST GOT ME OVER THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO SO SO LAST THING, LAST THING.
IS THERE ANY ARGUMENT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD THAT WOULD HAVE CONVINCED YOU TO JOIN ONE OF THESE PARTIES? SOMEONE OUT THERE HAS GOT TO SPEAK UP.
THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT. YOU'RE NOT GOING.
PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT PERSON'S MIND CAN'T BE CHANGED.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO OF THIS CARE LESS GROUP, THERE WAS NO SCENARIO, NOTHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAID FROM EITHER SIDE THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN YOU TO JOIN THEIR PARTY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. SHE'S SO.
WHOA! TAYLOR SWIFT IS GOING TO THEIR PARTY.
YOU CAN JUST GO EAT THE BARBECUE.
THIS IS GOOD. SEE HOW LARGE THAT GROUP STARTED WITH THAT? WE'VE GOT FIVE PEOPLE LEFT.
YOU'RE DUG, YOUR HEELS ARE DUG IN.
YOU'RE NOT CHANGING YOUR MIND NO MATTER WHAT MONEY THAT WHAT I'M HEARING HERE.
HE'S THE LOST. HE'S THE LOST? YES. CAN YOU GET YOUR BUDGET APPROVED? YES. WAIT.
SORRY. WE GOTTA HAVE THE JUICE.
OH, WOW. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, GUYS.
AND SO THERE'S FOUR LEFT HERE.
YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT BUDGING, MAYOR.
ALL RIGHT. SO SO LISTEN WE'RE GOING TO WRAP THIS UP.
SO THE POINT OF ALL THIS, THE POINT OF ALL THIS IS THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT GOING TO EMBRACE YOUR IDEAS, YOUR CONCEPTS, YOUR WHATEVER.
AND IN ORDER TO INFLUENCE THEM, YOU HAVE TO APPEAL TO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.
YOU WERE ABLE TO PRESENT AN ARGUMENT, A REASON TO GET THEM TO BUY IN AND EMBRACE YOUR SIDE.
OKAY? AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S PEOPLE WHOSE MINDS YOU CAN'T CHANGE.
OKAY. BUT THE CHALLENGE, THE CHALLENGE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO ALIGN WITH WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU? WHATEVER YOUR AGENDA IS.
ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS ENJOY THE SUPER BOWL.
THANKS. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.
I JUST ASKED YOU YOUR FAVORITE NFL TEAM.
I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE. THAT'S GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR PLAYING, GUYS.
I'M GOING TO GO TO BOTH PARTIES, BY THE WAY.
THIS OVER HERE, KANSAS CITY BARBECUE OVER HERE.
AND THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN I THAT I PLANNED.
SO WE'RE ABOUT TEN MINUTES BEHIND RIGHT NOW.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND KICK THINGS OFF HEIDI DERRYBERRY SHE'S GOING TO KICK THINGS OFF.
MORNING. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR COUNCIL HEIDI DERRYBERRY, THE CITY'S ASSISTANT FINANCE DIRECTOR.
I WILL GIVE YOU BACK THE TEN MINUTES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES.
SO WE ALREADY KIND OF WENT OVER THE WELCOME.
HERE'S A BRIEF, RECAP OF OUR AGENDA THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO START OFF TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND THE COLOR OF MONEY.
WE HAVE SOME DECEMBER RETREAT, FOLLOW UP ITEMS, REVENUE UPDATES, AVAILABLE RESOURCES AND FIXED COSTS, INVESTING IN EMPLOYEES UPDATE A REFRESHER FOR COUNCIL ON STAFF RELATIONS, BOND PROJECT UPDATES, RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS OF PRIORITIES, RESOURCE NEEDS.
AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP TOMORROW AFTERNOON WITH THE COUNCIL FORUM BUDGET EXPECTATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST A REALLY QUICK SLIDE.
WE'RE IN THE FEBRUARY 1ST AND SECOND RETREAT RIGHT NOW.
SO, WE'RE PRESENTING LOTS OF GOOD STUFF OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS.
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THE NEXT ITEM AFTER THAT IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM RETREAT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 28TH.WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
AND THEN JUNE 4TH IS OUR TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION ON JUNE 18TH, OUR FINAL BUDGET ADOPTION AND OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVY HEARING, AS WELL AS THE FIRST READ OF PROPERTY TAX ADOPTION AND THEN FINALLY WRAPPING IT UP ON JULY 2ND, OUR FINAL READING OF THE PROPERTY TAX ADOPTION.
SO SLOWLY THE LIST IS GETTING SHORTER.
YOU SAW THIS PRESENTATION IN DECEMBER, SO I AM NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION.
WE DEFINITELY HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT RESTRICTED AND LIMITED SPENDING ITEMS FOR OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, OUR CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, SERVICE FUNDS. AND THEN THE LAST KIND OF CATCHALL THE ARE THE GENERAL FUND.
SO JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WE'RE TALKING TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THERE YOU GO. TEN MINUTES BACK.
AND I AM GOING TO WELCOME HEIDI, HANSEN AND GREG.
IT'S. WE'RE, I'M HERE FOR SUPPORT.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
HEIDI HANSEN, ECONOMIC VITALITY DIRECTOR.
ACTUALLY, I'LL BE GOING OVER, ONE ITEM THAT WE HAD FROM THE DECEMBER RETREAT.
IT'S IT WAS A CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT OUR INVESTMENT WITH DOWNTOWN, AND I WILL GO OVER TWO SLIDES.
I ALSO HAVE DAVE MCINTYRE AND TRACY WARD THAT ARE ONLINE.
AND THEN I BELIEVE REBECCA OR AMY WILL BE DISCUSSING, AND WHAT THEY DO TO SUPPORT DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN SCOTT OVERTON WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT PUBLIC WORKS IS DOING.
WE HOPE THIS WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
OKAY. SO, BASICALLY, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE, WHICH WE REFER TO AS THE DBA, DOES, GET A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
BUT WE DECIDED WE WOULD SHARE EXACTLY THE ATTENTION THAT THEY GET SO THAT YOU'D HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
AND THEN I WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ONE TIME THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE FOR THEM.
SO BASICALLY EVERY YEAR WE PUT $45,000 TOWARD THEIR CLEAN TEAM.
I WILL TELL YOU, I JUST CALLED THEM THE OTHER DAY, TO, TO DO, SOME CLEANING IN DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIRTY SINCE THE NEW YEAR'S, FESTIVITIES. WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF ALL HOLIDAY LIGHTS.
I WANT TO THANK LORI PAPPAS, OUR MARKETING MEDIA RELATIONS MANAGER.
SHE'S BEEN HANDLING THAT WONDERFULLY.
AND I BELIEVE THE DBA DOES A LITTLE BIT INVESTMENT TOWARD IT AS WELL.
WE ALSO HANDLE 4TH OF JULY AND NEW YEAR'S EVE, THE FIREWORKS.
I THINK THIS 4TH OF JULY ARE GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITED.
WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WE ALSO BRING WHAT WE CALL FAM TOURS.
THEY'RE FAMILIAR FAMILIARIZATION TOURS.
THAT'S WHERE WE BRING JOURNALISTS AND WE BRING TOUR OPERATORS DOWNTOWN.
AND ACTUALLY WE SPEND MONEY FOR THEM TO GO INTO, THE LOCATIONS, THE RESTAURANTS, THE BARS, TO KIND OF GET THE FEEL OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BRING A GROUP HERE. WE ALSO DO THAT SO THAT THEY'LL WRITE ABOUT, SOME OF THE GREAT, FOODIE SCENE THAT WE HAVE HERE.
SO WE PAY FOR THEM TO COME DOWN THERE AND TO PARTICIPATE WITH HIS BUSINESS.
WE ALSO DO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MARKETING AND MEDIA.
SO THERE'S SOMETIMES IT'S VERY SPECIFIC JUST TO DOWNTOWN.
WE ALSO WHAT YOU WOULD CALL RESHARE THEIR POST, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND LORI PAPPAS JUST HAD SOME ON AIR SPOTS WITH CHANNEL THREE AND CHANNEL 12 DOWN THERE DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, WHERE WE ACTUALLY PUT THE DBA DIRECTOR ON CAMERA AND WE GIVE THEM TIME TO TALK ABOUT PINECONE DROP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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I ALSO DID A ONE TIME PURCHASE THIS YEAR OF FIXING THE HERITAGE SQUARE CHRISTMAS TREE.REBECCA HAD AGREED THAT IT KIND OF HAD.
AND IT'S IT'S COARSE AND WE NEED SOMETHING NEW.
AND SCOTT OVERTON'S TEAM, WORKED WITH THE METAL WORKER AND ALL OF THAT TO GET THAT DONE.
SO THAT'S JUST A GLIMPSE WHEN WE GO INTO COMMUNITY INVESTMENT.
WE ACTUALLY SPENT OVER $100,000 A YEAR ON ALL THE FLOWERS IN DOWNTOWN.
WE ALSO, HAVE A DOWNTOWN GREEN PROGRAM, AND, DAVE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT MORE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE, ABOUT $200,000 THAT WE PUT INTO BASICALLY CLEANING.
ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE THAT'S GREEN, THE POLES THAT ARE PAINTED, THE, ANY TRASH RECEPTACLES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE REPAINT THAT AND IT COSTS US ABOUT, $200,000 TO KEEP THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL EURO.
WE ALSO, DO ALL THE HOLIDAY WREATHS THAT YOU SEE UP, AND WE DO ALL THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE WREATHS.
SO THAT'S ABOUT $40,000 FOR US.
CHANGES OUT PROBABLY, EVERY THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
WE ALSO ARE WORKING ON DOWNTOWN TREE WELL PILOT PROGRAM, WHICH IS GOING TO COST US ABOUT $50,000.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN $50,000.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
WE ALSO DO CURBSIDE SIGNAGE AND REPLACEMENT.
THERE'S A PICTURE. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN SEE IT REAL WELL, BUT THOSE, THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE, WHERE WE WERE DOING A LITTLE SIGN AND WE HAD IT STUCK IN THIS SAD LITTLE CONCRETE.
WE STILL HAVE THOSE THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN.
THEY DO SPONSORSHIPS AND OUTREACH.
THEY DO THEIR OWN MOVIES ON THE SQUARE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DID THE ELECTRIC BOX AT LARUE ALLEY, WHICH IS ONE TIME WE ARE WORKING ON AN ASPEN NICHE.
IT'S OVER BY PANTECH, AND IT'S, NEAR THAT CENTURYLINK BUILDING.
ALSO, HAVE DONE THE COURT HOUSE ART PIECE THAT YOU ARE ALL VERY FONDLY KNOW ABOUT.
SOME OF YOU TOOK PICTURES WITH US OUT IN FRONT OF IT.
WE ALSO PAID FOR A PRESSURE WASHER.
SO THAT CLEAN TEAM CAN PRESSURE WASH AREAS THAT NEED IT.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THIS IS LITERALLY NOT ALL, BUT IT IS THE BIG STUFF.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT WE DO WITH DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, REBECCA.
CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION? YES, PLEASE.
THAT'S NOT. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING TO ONE PARTICULAR PART OF DOWNTOWN.
THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE'RE PROBABLY DOING SIMILAR THINGS ALL AROUND THE CITY.
SO IT ISN'T LIKE WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON ONE PART OF THE CITY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF THE CITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT TO THAT.
MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO BEAUTIFICATION, WE DEFINITELY ARE DOING ART PROJECTS AND THINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR SURE. I WILL TELL YOU, WE DO PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO DOWNTOWN.
AND I HAVE I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES TO TOURISM BECAUSE WE WANT.
WE KNOW FROM OUR VISITOR INTERCEPT STUDY THEY WERE ACTUALLY, RANKED AS AN, AN ACTUAL ATTRACTION.
VISITORS WERE. SO IT IT'S IT'S TO MY INTEREST AND TO MY TEAM'S INTEREST IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING ALL THESE VISITORS IN THAT, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE. THEY GO TO THEY GO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S A DESTINATION WHERE YOU CAN SHOP, EAT AND ENTERTAIN ALL IN ONE.
SO WE DO GIVE THEM A LOT OF ATTENTION, I WILL SAY.
I THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR TOURISM.
A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WHAT COLOR IS THIS MONEY?
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FOR ME, IT'S B-B-B MONEY.SO IT'S BED BOARD AND BEVERAGE MONEY WHEN YOU TALK.
WHAT? I JUST TALKED ABOUT THOSE TWO SLIDES.
I COULD SAY I'M ALMOST CONSIDERING THAT.
THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
DEFINITELY. WE'RE REINVESTING THAT MONEY INTO NOT ONLY MARKETING THE ADVERTISERS OR THE VISITORS TO COME, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE WHILE THEY'RE HERE. DON'T INTERPRET MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AS BEING AGAINST IT, IT'S JUST THAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER, SO I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT TOO THAT THE DBA SELF TAXES THOSE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, TAXED THEMSELVES IN ADDITION TO THE TAXES THAT THEY PAY TO THE CITY TO FEED INTO ALL THAT STUFF THAT THEY DO AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND WE'RE FEEDING INTO IT.
EXACTLY. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
MATTHEWS TRUE, THEY ARE TAXING THEMSELVES.
THAT REALLY PAYS FOR THEM TO HAVE A DIRECTOR.
FOR THAT DIRECTOR HAD TO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES.
THEY DID THAT A LONG TIME AGO SO THEY CAN HAVE SOMEONE THAT WAS FULL TIME.
IT'S SO THE PROS NUMBERS ARE THESE ARE ESTIMATES ON WHAT WE SPEND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
BUT AS YOU SAID COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WE DO ONE OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN ALL OVER THE CITY.
BUT THESE ARE ESTIMATES FOR THE DOWNTOWN.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM OUR PARKS TEAM THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO, HE'S ABLE TO MAINTAIN HERITAGE SQUARE AND THE DOWNTOWN TREES THAT YOU'LL SEE UP HERE.
BUT THEN THE THE CONTAINERS WITHIN HERITAGE SQUARE, WE DO DAILY.
WE ALSO HAVE THOSE RESTROOMS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING DOWNTOWN ON A DAILY BASIS.
ON THE EVENTS SIDE, WE TRIED TO AVERAGE UP.
AND THEN PERMIT MANAGEMENT OF 225 PERMITS.
THIS IS THE KIDS SQUARED EVENTS AT HERITAGE SQUARE.
LIKE THE ALL THE SMALLER ONES THAT YOU KNOW MUSIC ON THE SQUARE WHICH LAST SUMMER THE DBA WAS TRYING TO DO MANY DAYS A WEEK, NOT JUST 1 OR 2 DAYS A WEEK.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
HALEY SPENDS A LOT OF HER TIME.
SHE'S OUR EVENTS AND MARKETING, SUPERVISOR.
AND THE DBA TO ACTIVATE THAT SQUARE.
IT KEEPS POSITIVE ENERGY FLOWING THROUGH DOWNTOWN.
IT'S, AS HEIDI SAID, AN ATTRACTION, A PEOPLE FOR MUSIC.
IN CASE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO ASK, FOR THIS, IT'S GENERAL FUND AND B-B-B.
REBECCA. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
OH. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU KNOW HOW TO WORK IT.
JUST SINCE WE'RE ON THAT CONVERSATION.
FOR THE MOST PART, THESE SERVICES FOR DOWNTOWN WOULD COME OUT OF OUR HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUNDS.
AND THAT IS ALL BASED ON GAS TAX.
SO ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THE CURBS WOULD BE FUNDED FROM THAT FUND.
YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO SEE SOME THINGS THAT ARE FUNDED WITH OUR ROAD REPAIR STREET SAFETY PROGRAM MONIES, WHICH ARE THE ADDITIONAL SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT GO TO FOCUS ON ASPHALT RENEWAL PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOLID WASTE FEES AND COLLECTION RATES FROM SOLID WASTE SIDE FOR TRASH SERVICES.
BUT A COUPLE BIG THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC KIND OF HELP YOU WITH SOME TALKING POINTS.
WE HAVE A VERY LARGE REBUILD PROJECT COMING IN THE SPRING.
SO THEY'LL MILL THAT STREET DOWN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY TO REMOVE SOME OF THE CROWN.
SO IT'S MORE OF A FLAT STREET, NOT A REAL HUMPED STREET.
AND THEN THEY WILL GO FROM HUMPHREYS ALL THE WAY TO VERDE.
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WE WILL ALSO MAKE ADA IMPROVEMENTS, CURB ENHANCEMENTS, ANY CONCRETE REPLACEMENTS THAT NEED TO OCCUR, WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA AND THEN OF COURSE A NEW STREET. SO BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, THAT PROJECT WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD.THERE'LL BE LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND LOTS OF TIMING WITH OUR BUSINESS OWNERS.
WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET IN THE PROCESS.
THEY'RE AT ABOUT 30% DESIGN, BUT THAT WILL BE A PROJECT FOR THIS SUMMER.
ALL RIGHT. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SURE. THE BRICK [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT GOING TO BE REPLACED WHEN IT WILL BE? SO THE MID-BLOCK CROSSING AT ASPEN FROM THE ALLEY TO HERITAGE SQUARE WILL BE REPLACED, LIKELY WITH THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT.
DOWNTOWN SPECIFICALLY, LIGHTING HAS BEEN A BIG TOPIC.
WE'VE ADDRESSED IT, CONTINUALLY.
WE'VE REALLY WORKED HARD AT WORKING ON THOSE DECORATIVE GREEN POLES WITH THE DECORATIVE LAMPS, TRYING TO GET THE STREETLIGHTS UP AND RUNNING LOTS OF OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA. BUT I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT TEAM HAS MADE REALLY GOOD PROGRESS, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB IN STREETS OF STAFFING THAT PROGRAM UP AND FINALLY GETTING SOME PEOPLE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS, IN A VERY PROACTIVE MANNER VERSUS.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTED HELP ON THAT LIGHTING SIDE, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY MORE DIFFICULT.
CONCRETE SWEEPING IS FAIRLY FREQUENT ON THE STREETS.
WE HAVE INCREASED OUR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION EFFORTS.
NOW, THIS ISN'T AN ADDED COST TO THE USERS.
THEY ARE, FRANKLY, JUST RUNNING OUT OF ROOM ADDED BINS.
WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO GROW THAT PROGRAM, ADD SOME COLLECTION EFFORT.
WE'D LIKE TO MAYBE GET OUT OF THAT AT SOME POINT.
BUT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WHILE.
BUT IT HAS IMPROVED OUR SUNDAY SERVICE AND OUR SUNDAY CONDITIONS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.
QUARTERLY CLEANUPS WHERE WE KIND OF FOCUS THE EFFORT WE ALL HAD DOWN THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS, ADDITIONAL SNOW OPERATIONS, THEY DO HAULING OPERATIONS OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LOCATIONS IN TOWN, BUT THIS IS THE BIG ONE.
WHEN IT GETS TO BE TOO MUCH SNOW, WE HAUL IT OUT OF THERE.
BUT IT'S A FAIRLY LENGTHY PROGRAM.
AND THEN JUST OVERALL APPEARANCE PROJECTS, WE TRY TO TEAM UP WITH PARKS AND WITH DBA AND WITH FUNDS, TRYING TO JUST CLEAN UP AND DO THINGS THAT ARE OF GOOD INTEREST, EVENT SUPPORT. SO PARADES, TRAFFIC CONTROL, IN-KIND ASSISTANCE IS REQUESTED.
SO WE TRY TO DO AS MANY OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN OF COURSE PLANTER BOXES, THE EURO TEAM.
AND THEN HOW DO WE START TO CONTINUE THE REINVESTMENT IN WHAT IS NOW BECOMING, YOU KNOW, A 30 YEAR OLD DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NEXT CHAPTER LOOK LIKE AS WE GO TO REINVEST THAT CAPITAL SIDE? WE'LL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF THE PUBLIC WORKS EFFORT DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK A GOOD OVERVIEW FOR YOU.
GOING ON TO YOUR, DISCUSSION ABOUT SOLID WASTE PICKUP.
REAL BRIEFLY. CAN YOU TOUCH UPON THE IDEAS OF FUTURE DISCUSSION? I KNOW, BUT TOUCH UPON THE IDEA OF GOING TO A COMPACTION SYSTEM.
THERE ARE THOUGHTS THAT WE WANT TO RETURN TO COMPACTED SERVICE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
FAIRLY EXPENSIVE ONE TIME CAPITAL INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END.
WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET TO DELIVER, BUT I THINK WE CAN TEAM UP, WORK THROUGH SOME PARKING ISSUES, WORK THROUGH SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THE RESTROOM PROJECTS, AND MAYBE GET SOME SYNERGY GOING.
BUT, IT'S A FAIRLY EXPENSIVE ITEM.
BUT, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO LAND THERE AT SOME POINT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW PRACTICAL IT WILL BE, AND IT WILL NOT LIKELY BE THIS YEAR.
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PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE INTO THE FUTURE.SO COMPACTION IS AN IDEA, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, SCOTT.
ABSOLUTELY. WHEN YOU'RE UPGRADING ASPEN, WHICH IS GREAT.
PLEASE REVIEW THE GRAPES THAT ARE AROUND THE TREES.
THAT'S. ASPIRIN IS NOTHING TO ME.
TO PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS AND PEOPLE PUSHING STROLLERS.
THAT STEP IS, CAN'T GET AROUND.
DINING OR WHATEVER, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT, IT VERY MUCH RESTRICTS IT.
AND, ANYWAY, REVIEW THOSE GRATES FOR STEPS.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YEP. SAM'S TEAM TAKES A LOOK AT ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
SO CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'RE ALL AWARE OF AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH.
THAT'S PART OF THE DOWNTOWN TREE WELL PROJECT THAT OKAY SHOWED YOU THAT IS IN 50,000.
ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
AND THEN I'VE GOT IT TO EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO I WANT TO GO BACK RIGHT TO THE DOWNTOWN TREE WELL PROJECT.
WE'RE TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER A PILOT PROJECT WHERE WE CAN, AND SCOTT AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND NEED TO PICK IT BACK UP, BUT WHERE WE CAN TRY SOME NEW TYPES OF PRODUCTS AROUND THE TREE WELLS THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN THE GRADES IN THE LONG.
THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS GO INTO THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN NOW.
AND A BIG ONE IS OUR FREEZE THAW CYCLES.
AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAT WAY.
AND ANOTHER BIG ONE IS HOW BIG THE TREES GET.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER INTENDED TO GET AS BIG AS THEY ARE.
AND THEY'RE CAUSING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BUCKLING.
SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK ON THAT.
AND THANKS TO HEIDI'S TEAM FOR SUPPORTING THAT.
WITH THE TREES THOUGH, THE TREES ARE AMAZING AND WE DO MAINTAIN THOSE.
SO COMING BACK TO PROS REALLY QUICK, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON SNOW OPERATIONS.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE BECAUSE THERE'S WEIGHT LIMITS, WE CAN'T PUT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT UP THERE EITHER.
SO I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.
AND IF YOU'RE EVER BORED DURING A SNOWSTORM, COME ON OUT AND HELP US CLEAR UP HERITAGE SQUARE.
AMY IS WORKING RIGHT NOW, WITHIN THE CAPITAL PLAN.
AND THIS WILL SEGUE INTO HEIDI'S SLIDE.
WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR A DOWNTOWN RESTROOM, EITHER RENOVATION OR A NEW RESTROOM.
WE'RE WORKING ON ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN LET ME. SO WE HAVE SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BITS AND PIECES ABOUT, BUT HOW IT DOES AFFECT DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW THAT WE CAME TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN LION DOWNTOWN CONNECTION CENTER, AND BEAUTIFICATION ALONE IS $500,000 INTO THAT ART PROJECT.
IT'S THE PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY GOES, THERE'S A PIECE THAT WILL BE ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF, AND THEN THERE'S A PIECE THAT CREATES THAT LITTLE SETTING, WHICH, I THINK YOU GUYS WERE PRETTY IN AWE WHEN JANA PRESENTED THAT TO YOU.
IT'S GOING TO BE, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GO OVER AND SEE IF THEY ARE VISITING ESPECIALLY WE ALSO ARE DOING BEAUTIFICATION OFFERINGS ON THE LONE TREE OVERPASS, WHICH WILL HELP.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, SEVERAL DIVISIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT DOWNTOWN MILE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT WITH, DOWNTOWN.
SO WE ARE HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS, THOUGHTS.
GREG, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD BEFORE THEY GO THERE? ONE QUICK COMMENT.
THAT WILL TIE SOME THINGS TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
THE DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE, TOUCHES ON SO MANY THINGS.
IT'S ABOUT, VISITOR EXPERIENCE, FOR SURE.
IT'S ABOUT TOURISM. IT'S ABOUT, ACTIVATION OF HERITAGE AND OTHER AREAS.
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THE ALLIES NOTABLY, IT'S ABOUT RETAIL, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY.AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
WE SEE IT. I WISH, TERRY WAS WITH US BECAUSE SHE CAN SPEAK TO TO THIS SO MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY.
THE ACTIVATION OF EVENTS OF LATE, INCLUDING THE MOVIES ON THE SQUARE AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON NOW, OUR COMMUNITY MARKET, IN PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN, IS GOOD FOR THE TOURISTS AND VISITORS.
YES, BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE SEEING A, A STRONG PRESENCE OF OUR LOCAL, POPULATION VISITING DOWNTOWN, ENJOYING, OUR DOWNTOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND.
JUST TO SAY IT'S AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, GO THAT KIND OF, HELP SUPPORT THE POSITION ANY WAY THAT DOWNTOWN DOES DESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF NOT SPECIAL ATTENTION, BUT DIFFERENT ATTENTION, BY THE MANY, PARTNERS AND BY THE CITY FOR THOSE REASONS.
IT IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY ARE ANY LESS IMPORTANT.
IT'S JUST THERE ARE SOME INEQUITIES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT ARE REALLY GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT. AND THERE'S OVER 230 BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE HELPING IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CLUSTER OF BUSINESS THAT SHOULDN'T BE NEGLECTED.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT GREG WAS JUST SAYING.
WE'RE DOING SOME AMAZING STUFF IN DOWNTOWN, AND SO I DO VISIT FROM TIME TO TIME.
I ALSO HEAR LOTS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S NOT FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T I CAN'T GO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND PARKING.
ISSUE, BUT, OR I CAN'T GO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE THERE.
THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE TOURISTS.
I CAN'T GO DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THIS.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING SO MUCH MONEY IN DOWNTOWN? WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR ME AND MY COMMUNITY OR MY NEIGHBORHOOD? WHY AREN'T THEY DOING THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? BUT THEY'RE DOING THIS IN DOWNTOWN.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, I GET IT, I TOTALLY GET IT.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO DON'T GET IT.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS.
PASTOR KENNEDY, HOW HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME? WHAT'S IN THIS FOR ME? WHAT DO I GET OUT OF THIS? YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING HERE AND THEY'RE THIS AND THAT AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT TOURISTS, YOU KNOW? AND SO I THINK THAT WE DON'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB TRYING TO CONNECT.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET ALL THESE TOURISTS AND THIS IS HOW IT AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET OUT OF THIS.
YES, WE'VE GOT THE TOURISTS HERE, BUT HERE'S WHAT YOU GET.
SO PLEASE COME OUT AND ENJOY THIS BENEFIT THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS SENSE.
AND THAT IS THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THAT RENEWAL.
AND THAT MARKETING PLAN IS TO SHOW YOU WHAT, BY SPENDING DOLLARS HERE, WHAT DOES IT DO HERE? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT PASTOR IS THAT IF THEY HAVE ANYBODY IN THEIR FAMILY OR IF THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW, BY HAVING THOSE PEOPLE COME IN INTO DOWNTOWN AND SPEND MONEY, THAT MONEY IS THEN GOING TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, KEEPING THEIR PARKS MAINTAINED THAT THEIR CHILDREN PLAY, THAT THEY PLAY ON.
IT'S GOING TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS, LITTER AND THE CLEAN TEAM AND ALL THAT IS PICKING UP TRASH.
IT'S GOING TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE MARKETING THE DESTINATION AS LEAVE NO TRACE DESTINATION.
SO WE ARE GOING TO SHARE THAT AND HOW THAT CVB MATTERS TO EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT HONESTLY DOES MATTER TO THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. SO WHAT WE WHAT WE DON'T DO IS WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
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WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS LEADING UP TO THAT ELECTION.SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S WHAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE DOING FOR THEM.
AND AND WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT TRAFFIC AND ESPECIALLY AND NOT TO PUT COUNCIL MEMBER SWEET ON THE SPOT, BUT AS A BUSINESS OWNER, SHE CANNOT MAKE IT ALONE WITH JUST LOCAL.
SHE HAS TO HAVE THE VISITORS IN TO ACTUALLY HAVE A YEAR ROUND FUNCTIONING BUSINESS.
YOU WANT THEM TO STAY THE NIGHT AND YOU WANT THEM TO EXTEND THEIR STAY.
AND THAT IS THE PREMISE OF WHAT WE DO IN TOURISM.
SO WE ARE GOING TO DEFINITELY BE DOING THAT CAMPAIGN.
AND, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT CAMPAIGN.
SO I WILL I WILL BE TAKING YOUR INPUT, AND I WILL BE TAKING YOUR IDEAS, AND WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT INTO THAT CAMPAIGN SO THAT YOU AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT DOES FOR HOLIDAY LIFE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY WE LIVE HERE ALL THE TIME.
WE JUST DON'T COME, YOU KNOW, ONCE A YEAR OR ONCE A MONTH OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO HOW IS THIS HELPING ME? AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT IN THAT WAY, WE DO OURSELVES A REAL DISSERVICE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE GET PEOPLE, I'M NOT VOTING FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR US.
I'M NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HELP ME OR WHATEVER THE CONVERSATION MIGHT BE.
I WILL PROMISE YOU THE $12 MILLION IN PUBLIC MONEY IS BEING PUT TO GOOD USE, AND WE WILL.
I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE ME OF THAT.
I WILL BE SEEKING YOUR INPUT ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT MESSAGING OUT THERE.
THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR HONESTY.
FOR CALL UP. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S MY JOB TO REVIEW NUMBERS AND GO, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OBJECTIVELY? I WILL SAY AFTER DOING THAT, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF DOWNTOWN.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.
COMMENTS HAVE SOME VALIDITY TOO.
AND I KNOW THAT TERRY MODESTA IS INTERESTED IN THAT WHEN SHE WAS HERE.
AND SO THE THE BEAVER SAN FRANCISCO AREA IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SO MAYBE FOURTH STREET, THAT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL AREA TOO.
I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU.
SO THEY'RE NOT ALL PAYING INTO THAT EXTRA DISTRICT FEE.
SO EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE DBA, IF WE'RE SPENDING CITY MONIES, I THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER AREAS LIKE THE SOUTH SIDE, POSSIBLY FOURTH STREET FOR THE TWO THAT COME TO THEM, AND WE DO WE IF YOU SEE HOLIDAY LIGHTS, YOU SEE WREATHS, YOU SEE HANGING PLANTS.
ALL OF IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO SOUTH SIDE.
AND WHEN YOU SEE THE FOURTH STREET ORB AND YOU SEE THE PLANTER AND YOU SEE THE SIGNAGE, ALL OF IT WAS, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE NOT JUST IN ONE AREA OF TOWN, BUT AGAIN, ALL WE NEED YOU TO DO, AND ANYONE THAT MIGHT TALK TO YOU IS TO REACH OUT TO US AND LET US KNOW WHAT'S MISSING, AND WE WILL PUT IT INTO OUR WORK PLAN.
THIS MIGHT SOUND A LITTLE NITPICKY, BUT IT'S ALSO DUE DILIGENCE.
AND IT'S FROM THE DARK SKY COMMUNITY.
IT'S ABOUT THE THE TRADITIONAL STREET LAMPS THAT WE HAVE.
THEY'RE SEEN AS NON-COMPLIANT OR AT LEAST NON DARK SKY FRIENDLY.
I THINK, MAYBE RELATIVE IS A RELATIVE TERM.
BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN AND THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ASSESSMENT DONE ON JUST WHAT THE, HOW COMPLIANT THEY ARE WITH OUR WITH WHAT WE EXPECT FROM OUR DARK SKY COMPLIANCE.
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AND MAYBE PRICE OUT, THEIR REPLACEMENT, OR AT LEAST A MODIFICATION THAT WOULD BRING THEM INTO BETTER COMPLIANCE.THIS IS A MID TO LONG TERM, THOUGHT FOR YOU.
I KNOW IT'S A NEW PART OF THE DOWNTOWN VISION PLAN.
AND JUST WANTED TO TO REPRESENT THAT, YOU GUYS BRIEFLY.
EXCELLENT COMMENT. AND I THINK, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF LIGHT FIXTURES.
JUST SO I'M VERY CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
WE HAVE THE GREEN KIND OF DECORATIVE FIXTURES IN THE DOWNTOWN FOR A FEW SLIDES.
AND THESE ARE PROBABLY THE FIXTURES YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THESE WERE INSTALLED IN THE MID 90S.
YEAH. FOR 90S IN THAT MAIN STREET PROJECT REDEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT HAVE THE AMBER.
THOSE ARE ALL LED DARK SKIES COMPLIANT.
THESE, HOWEVER, ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE UP FOR SOME CONVERSATION AND I THINK IT IS TIMELY.
I THINK WE ARE COMING TO END OF LIFE WITH THESE FIXTURES.
THEY'RE 30 YEARS OLD, PARTS ARE CAN'T BE FOUND AND THEY DO COME DOWN.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR FLAGSTAFF TO SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRANSITION, WHAT TYPE OF NEW LAMP POST WOULD MEET DARK SKIES COMPLIANCE ABOUT THE TYPE OF LIGHTING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD PRICE THAT OUT AND THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW MANY WE'RE TALKING.
IS IT 250 LAMP POSTS? MANY. YEAH. HUNDREDS.
IT'S HUNDREDS. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS THAT MANY.
PHASING IN? A BUNCH. WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME COMMENTS WHERE, I DON'T NECESSARILY LOVE ALL THE GREEN, SO THAT COULD BE A DISCUSSION TOO.
LIKE DO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? BUT THESE ARE SOME CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE WITH DOWNTOWN AND BRING BACK TO YOU.
WORK SESSION. I LIKE THE DISNEY EFFECT.
SO I THINK THEY'RE MORE THEY'RE JUST TIRED OF GREEN.
IN THEIR DOWNTOWN CORES, YOU CAN SEE SOME PRETTY UNIQUE STREET LAMPS.
THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY IN 20 YEARS.
YOU KNOW THAT GREEN IS VERY INTENTIONAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE VALUES DISCUSSION, RIGHT? WHICH ONE DO WE LIKE? IT'S BEEN SPECIFIC REASONS.
AND MAYBE PUTS ON A FIVE YEAR PLAN OR SOMETHING.
I'LL TALK WITH JEN AND DAVE ABOUT THAT.
YEAH. SO AS SOMEONE WHO'S HAD A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN FOR 23 YEARS, I FIRST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE CITY INVESTMENT PROS, PUBLIC WORKS.
I MEAN, IT'S NIGHT AND DAY TO WHEN I FIRST STARTED TO KNOW.
AND I KNOW HOW HARD YOU ALL ARE.
WELL, WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
CAN WE RETHINK? LIKE THIS MIGHT GO TO PROS AND TO SCOTT AS WELL.
I'M WONDERING IF WE WE PUT 45,000 IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DBA PUTS IN.
CAN WE CREATE THAT POSITION TO BE MORE OF DEDICATED MAINTENANCE PERSON FOR THE DOWNTOWN, MAKING SURE THE LIGHTS ARE ALL CHANGED? THE CURBS ARE PAINTED.
ALL OF THE LITTLE THINGS THAT I THINK STREETS MAY HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO BECAUSE YOU ARE OVERWHELMED, UNDERSTAFFED, AND THIS PERSON WOULD BE DEDICATED TO.
MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE FUNCTIONS ARE HAPPENING WITH TRASH PICK UP AND.
WE DEFINITELY LIKE TO HEAR SCOTT'S OPINION ON THAT.
WE WE WANT TO PUT THE MONEY TOWARD JUST BEING MAINTAINED.
SO HOWEVER THAT LOOKS OR HOWEVER IT WORKS BEST, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT THE CLAIM TEAM, I STRUGGLE WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT.
GREG AND I WERE HAVING A NICE WALK DOWN, DOWN THE OTHER DAY, AND IT WAS NOT LOOKING GOOD.
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YEAH, I THINK, THE CLEAN TEAM IS OBVIOUSLY HOUSED WITH DBA, SO WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ROLE.I THINK IT COULD BE SOME BETTER COORDINATION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD PUT THEM ON TASKS SUCH AS LIGHTING.
BUT THE ENVISIONED CLEAN TEAM MEMBER WAS TRULY FOR THAT MICRO TRASH.
THAT CLEAN TEAM MEMBER HELPS COORDINATE EFFORTS, AND STREET SWEEPERS COME THROUGH AT NIGHT.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME POSITIVE THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR WITH THAT POSITION THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SYNERGY AND A LITTLE MORE FOCUSED EFFORT.
WHERE IT'S HOUSED, I DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY HAVE AN OPINION.
I THINK WE TAKE RESOURCES AND PUT THEM TO USE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT WAS THEIR EFFORT TO TRY TO PITCH IN.
IT'S FAIRLY LOW COST AT 45,000.
SO MAYBE NEED TO RETHINK WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WE DISCUSS THAT WITH THE FUTURE DIRECTOR.
I THINK IT'S GOOD EFFORT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERYBODY THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE TO HELP OUT, TOO.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN THAT GAP IS, YOU KNOW, WHO REALLY PICKS UP THAT MICRO TRASH.
AND I THINK THAT WAS WHERE THE CLEAN TEAM WAS HEADED.
I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND.
YES. WHERE I'M, I'M COMING FROM DOWNTOWN IS WE COULD ELEVATE MAYBE NOT A CLEAN TEAM PERSON, BUT SOMEONE WHO THEIR PURPOSE REALLY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRASH THE, YOU KNOW, AFTER BIG EVENTS, WE HAVE THAT CLEANED UP.
WE HAVE THE CURBS PAINTED, WE HAVE THE LIGHT BULBS CHANGED.
IF THAT'S CLEAN TEAM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF A MORE.
OPTIONS. FROM A CONVERSATION ON THAT, AND THEN I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE NEW DIRECTOR GETS, HIRED. I WILL TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THE EFFORTS OF THE.
WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOU.
THINK HE WANTS TO YANK US OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GOOD. GREAT JOB GUYS. THANK YOU.
WE'RE NOT FALLING TOO FAR BEHIND PACE HERE.
WITH YOUR REVENUE UPDATE AND, I THINK WE'LL ONLY ABOUT, FOUR MINUTES BEHIND, SO.
VICE MAYOR MEMBERS RICK TADDER MANAGEMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR.
TODAY IS OUR OUR TIME TO GIVE YOU A REVENUE UPDATE AND SOME PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS WE START BUILDING OUR, OUR BUDGET INTO, FRUITION FOR OUR APRIL RETREAT. HAVE WE MET IN DECEMBER? I KIND OF SHOWED YOU HOW WE ENDED THE YEAR LAST FISCAL YEAR, AND WE DID PRETTY GOOD AS FAR AS THE FISCAL YEAR END IN OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS.
FIRST TO KIND OF EXPLAIN OUR CHARTS, AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE OVER THE NEXT FEW CHARTS IS OUR BLUE LINE IS A MEASURE OF OUR ACTUAL EXPENSES OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF SHOWS YOU OUR TREND OF REVENUES OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD.
THE ORANGE LINE REPRESENTS WHAT OUR CURRENT ESTIMATES ARE.
THE GREEN LINE IS OUR UPDATED PROJECTIONS.
SO AS WE SAW REVENUES FOR HALF OF THE YEAR AND WE START LOOKING AT PROJECTING FORWARD, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE FEEL ARE ARE PRETTY CONFIDENT OF REACHING THESE REVENUES. SO, YOU KNOW, THE KEY THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS GREEN ABOVE ORANGE.
YOU KNOW, IF THE GREEN IS ABOVE ORANGE, WE'VE HAD SOME GROWTH.
WE'RE ABOVE, WHAT, LAST YEAR'S PROJECTIONS.
AND THAT PROVIDES US RESOURCES FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
WE'LL LOOK AT A BUNCH OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES FIRST.
SOME GOOD NEWS AND SOME BAD NEWS AS WE LOOK THROUGH THESE NUMBERS.
SO THESE ARE BIG RESOURCES FOR US.
BUT ONE THING TO UNDERSTAND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, HAVING A VERSIFIED SET OF REVENUES IS IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE ABOUT 20% COMES FROM OUR SALES TAX.
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20%, NOT 20, 30% SALES TAX, 30% FROM SHARED REVENUES, AND THEN THE 40% FROM PROPERTY TAX AND OTHER REVENUES LIKE FRANCHISE FEES, BUILDING PERMITS, CHARGES FOR SERVICES.SO A GOOD BALANCE OF REVENUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR ORGANIZATION.
SO FOR OUR OUR SALES TAX TODAY.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT, OUR SEEING A LITTLE DIP IN REVENUES IN OUR PROJECTIONS FOR THIS YEAR.
THIS LITTLE DROP IS DIFFERENT.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN REVENUES DROP.
AND WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
BUT GOING FORWARD WE DO SEE OUR REVENUES GROWING.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT PROJECTING A RECESSION AT THIS TIME THOUGH.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY THERE COULD BE A SLIGHT OR A SLOWDOWN.
I THINK I'M MORE TOWARD MAYBE A SLOWDOWN AREA, FOR REVENUES, AND TAXES AND SO FORTH.
SO, THESE ARE BASED ON THOSE THOUGHTS, NOT A RECESSION NECESSARILY IN PLACE.
BUT WE DO BUILD RECESSIONS IN.
AND NOW THE NEXT RECESSION IS BUILT IN AND OUT IN THIS LEAR 3031.
SO IT'S STILL IN OUR TEN YEAR PLAN, BUT NOT SHOWN IN THESE NUMBERS.
SO, GOOD NUMBERS, TO PRESENT THERE.
HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SALES TAX.
I'M GIVING YOU KIND OF WHAT OUR ESTIMATES WERE LAST YEAR, AT THE RETREAT, APRIL RETREAT AND BUDGET ADOPTION AND WHERE OUR ACTUAL SPELL AND THAT COMPARISON WE DID PRETTY GOOD.
WE WERE 132,000 OVER OUR ESTIMATES, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE AS FAR AS REVENUE ESTIMATES.
THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES THAT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THEIR MARK.
THE CONTRACTING CATEGORY, AND AMUSEMENTS WERE SLIGHTLY BELOW GOING FORWARD TO THIS YEAR.
BOTH CATEGORIES ARE ABOVE WHAT WE ESTIMATED, EXCEPT FOR THAT LAST LINE.
THE USE TAX, AND THE REASON THAT ONE IS BELOW IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A ONE TIME ADJUSTMENT FROM A FROM A PRETTY MAJOR TAX PAYER THAT, SUBMITTED TAXES INCORRECTLY, AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE SUBMITTED A USE TAX ON WHAT THEY WERE PROVIDING, IN GOODS.
SO THAT ADJUSTMENT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE DO SEE THIS BOUNCING BACK AND INTO NORMAL, REVENUES.
AND WE HAVE SEEN IT THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
BUT WE DO HAVE THAT LITTLE, LITTLE GAP IN, IN REVENUES THERE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, REVENUES ARE DOING VERY GOOD.
OUR TOP CATEGORIES IN GROWTH DOLLAR WISE IS OUR RETAIL SALES.
AND THOSE TYPES OF TAXES ARE ALL VERY STRONG AND ARE PROJECTED TO CONTINUE.
YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS, IS, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH HEIDI HANSEN AND HER TEAM AND THE THE INVESTMENT WE DO IN TOURISM AND, AND THAT GROUP, DEFINITELY HELPS US ON, ON ALL THREE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
AND THE GENERAL FUND ALSO NOT JUST B-B-B BUT OUR GENERAL FUND TO.
NOW I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH, THREE OF OUR STATE SHARED REVENUES, THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE.
STATE SHARED SALES TAX IS THE FIRST ONE.
SO WE GET THIS, MONTHLY, THROUGH THE STATE.
THESE REVENUES YOU CAN SEE, ARE DOING FAIRLY WELL.
THEY ARE MEETING WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS WERE AS FAR AS THAT ORANGE LINE.
AND GOING FORWARD, WE DO EXPECT THOSE TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
YOU MAY BE HEARING A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT STATE REVENUES.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE CATEGORIES.
THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT. THEIR SALES TAX REVENUES ARE DOING WELL AND THEY ARE MEETING THE PROJECTIONS.
I THINK THEY'RE PROJECTING ABOUT A 4% GROWTH.
I'M A LITTLE UNDER ESTIMATING WHERE THEY'RE AT, FOR THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE ESTIMATED A RECESSION IN THIS NUMBER.
WE'RE NOT SEEING IT. SO WE ARE SEEING THAT GAP IN THAT, GROWTH IN THOSE REVENUES GOING FORWARD.
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I THINK WE'RE AT ABOUT 500,000 OR SO IN GROWTH OVER WHAT WE HAD ANNUALLY, OVER WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.THIS IS THE VEHICLE REGISTRATION MONEYS THAT COME BACK TO CITIES.
AGAIN, IT'S A PROPORTIONAL SHARE, THAT WE SEE.
IT IS MEETING OUR PROJECTIONS.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT RECESSIONARY TYPE IMPACT.
CAR SALES ARE STILL FAIRLY GOOD AND GROWING.
HERE'S THE BAD NEWS, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
THIS IS OUR STATE SHARED INCOME TAX.
WELL, THEY DISTRIBUTE 18% TO CITIES AND TOWNS.
AND THEN WE GET A PERCENTAGE BASED ON A POPULATION.
IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY MOVED IT FROM 15% TO 18% BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY PROPOSED AS A FLAT TAX.
THE 2.5% FLAT TAX AND INCOME TAX FOR PERSONAL INCOME.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE A COUPLE OF YEARS OF GREAT GROWTH.
BUT THEN AS ALL THE, FLAT TAX MEASURES GET IMPLEMENTED, WE KNEW WE'D BE SEEING A DIP IN REVENUES.
AND SO HERE YOU SEE AN EXTRA LINE THAT IS PUT ON ON THIS CHART.
IT'S KIND OF A BROWN LINE, I THINK.
LOOKS LIKE A DARK ORANGE TO ME HERE.
WHAT JLBC WAS PROVIDING AS THEIR PROJECTIONS LAST YEAR.
AS FAR AS THEIR DIPS AND WHAT THEY SAW IN GROWTH, IN THE COMING YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T TRUST THEIR NUMBERS ALL THE TIME.
I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE.
AND I WAS BELOW THAT ESTIMATE AND THAT ORANGE LINE AS FAR AS WHAT I SAW, I SAW BIGGER IMPACTS HAPPENING THAT 2.5% FLAT TAX IMPLEMENTATION. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
HOWEVER, AS THE STATE, IS SEEING THE COLLECTIONS, HOW THEY FINISHED LAST YEAR, WE'RE FAR BELOW WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED AND OF COURSE, WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. AND SO NOW THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE A GAP AND A REDUCTION IN OUR RESOURCES AS FAR AS THE GENERAL FUND, GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS OUR CITY AND OUR IMPACTS WITH GROWTH AND OTHER REVENUES.
AND BRANDI WILL SHARE KIND OF OUR RESOURCES A LITTLE BIT LATER.
WE'RE ABLE TO OFFSET WITH REVENUE GROWTH IN OTHER AREAS.
WE'RE NOT IN A CUTTING AREA AT THIS TIME.
WE'RE ABLE TO BALANCE OUR REVENUES AS A WHOLE.
I WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
OR WHICH GIVES YOU KIND OF MORE OF THE DETAIL OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AGAIN, THE TOP ONE IS WHAT JLBC ESTIMATES WERE LAST YEAR.
AND NOW THE GREEN LINE IS OUR PROJECTIONS, AS WELL AS WHAT JLBC IS PROJECTING IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS LIGHT GREEN LINE HERE.
I COULD NEVER REALLY TRUST WHEN THEY PUT UP FOUR, FIVE, 6% GROWTH IN THEIR NUMBERS.
BUT THE 16.16 MILLION HERE IN FISCAL YEAR 25 IS VERY WELL KNOWN BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON FISCAL YEAR 2024, TAX COLLECTIONS.
SO THEY DISTRIBUTE THAT THE YEAR AFTER THOSE ARE COLLECTED.
SO THE 16 MILLION IS THE TRUE NUMBER.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S $1 MILLION GAP FROM OUR PROJECTIONS WE HAD LAST YEAR DURING APRIL 3RD.
NOT GOOD NEWS, BUT OVERALL I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE.
AND THEN GOING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THAT GAP CONTINUES.
IT GROWS A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THEN COMES THE STABLES OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
BUT THIS IS THE AREA THAT THE STATE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT SHORTFALLS.
ALTHOUGH THEIR MESSAGE IS THEY THEY SEE IT AS A TWO YEAR ISSUE, NOT NECESSARILY A LONG TERM ISSUE.
IT'S DOUBTFUL WHETHER THIS, THROUGH OUR REVENUES AND OUR PROJECTIONS, FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO.
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THE INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX MAKES UP ABOUT 75% OF THESE REVENUES.THAT'S WHY WHEN THOSE ARE IMPACTED AS FAR AS THE RATES AND SO FORTH, IT IMPACTS THE BIG DOLLAR.
GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE ALL IN A FLAT TAX.
WE'RE PAYING LESS TAXES AS FAR AS US AS INDIVIDUALS, ACROSS OUR STATE.
THAT ONE. THIS IS AN INTERESTING CHART.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS GOING UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN.
AND, HAS A LOT OF VOLATILITY TO IT.
THIS IS OUR BUILDING PERMIT, COLLECTIONS.
SO THIS IS BASED ON THE CUSTOMER ACTUALLY DRAWING PERMITS AND PAYING THE REVENUES.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL WHEN THEY WANT TO, START THE CONSTRUCTION CYCLE.
SO, WE DID NOT MEET OUR PROJECTION HERE.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF A ONE TIME GAP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, FOR THIS, COMING CYCLE YEAR TO DATE.
SO FAR, THEY REBOUNDED PRETTY WELL.
WE'RE OVER JUST AROUND $2 MILLION IN ACTUAL REVENUES, WHICH ARE BEATING OUR ACTUAL BUDGET LEVEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, A DIP, BUT A JUMP BACKED UP.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE DON'T BUDGET AT.
SO, WE BRING DOWN OUR PROJECTIONS HERE AT ABOUT A $1.9 MILLION LEVEL, WHICH OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, THERE WAS ABOUT THREE TIMES IT WAS UNDER THAT NUMBER, BUT MOSTLY ABOVE.
SO, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN STORE FOR OUR, BUILDING PERMITS.
THIS IS OUR FRANCHISE TAXES, NATURAL GAS.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF NATURAL GAS.
SO WHILE WE HAD A BUMP LAST YEAR, I KIND OF BROUGHT IT BACK DOWN IN LINE WITH OUR PREVIOUS PROJECTIONS WERE, AND TAKING THOSE FORWARD AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT, NATURAL GAS TREND GOES.
WE MAY SEE GROWTH IN THE ELECTRIC TAX IN THE FUTURE AS ELECTRIC PRICES MAY RISE.
THAT ALSO IMPACTS OUR ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEES.
SO THAT WAS THE MAJOR GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
FIRST IS OUR HIGHWAY USER REVENUE TAX.
AND, THIS IS A BASED ON THE GAS TAX COLLECTED AT THE PUMP, PRICE PER GALLON.
SOME OF IT'S BASED ON WHERE IT'S PURCHASED AND PERCENTAGES.
HERE YOU CAN SEE, WE WERE AGAIN PROJECTING KIND OF A SLUMP IF WE HIT A RECESSION.
SOMETIMES DRIVING IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO AS MUCH.
SO WE KIND OF, PUT A REDUCTION IN OUR REVENUES WITH WITH HER.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE TO CONTROL IN THEIR SPENDING.
SAME WITH OUR USE HIGHWAY USE REVENUE TAX.
WE CONTINUE TO SEE GROWTH IN OUR TAX COLLECTIONS.
THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE FOR GASOLINE TAXES.
SO, THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT AND MUCH NEEDED FOR A HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUND.
THEY'RE PRETTY TIGHT ON THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO SPEND TO MAINTAIN OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
I GUESS THE ONE THING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE LEVEL OF GROWTH.
YOU DON'T SEE MUCH GROWTH WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUND.
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THAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS CARS BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AS WE GO TO ELECTRIC, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE REVENUES GROW AS MUCH.IT'S IT'S GOOD TO SEE IT ABOVE, BUT OUR CONCERN IS, IS THE FUTURE AND WHAT THIS FUND LOOKS LIKE.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE TEN YEAR HISTORY.
THERE WAS A COUPLE BUMPS WHERE WE, VOTERS AUTHORIZED US TO ADD ADDITIONAL TAXES RELATED TO ROAD REPAIR AND STREET SAFETY, AS WELL AS THE, ROUTE 66 AND BUTLER PASS, THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE GROWTH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THIS ONE AGAIN, WE BUILT IN RECESSIONARY PERIODS, WE SEE THIS AS DOING FAIRLY WELL.
AND WE DO EXPECT THIS TO GROW SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE IN OUR GENERAL FUND, SALES TAXES.
BED BOARD AND BEVERAGE TAX, OR BPB TAX IS THE LAST ONE I'LL SHARE WITH YOU.
HERE YOU CAN SEE, A DIP IN OUR ACTUAL REVENUES.
A FEW YEARS BACK, THAT WAS THE COVID RECESSIONARY PERIOD.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT IS PRETTY VOLATILE WHEN WE GET INTO RECESSIONARY TALKS AND, PEOPLE NOT SPENDING MONEY ON TRAVEL AND, AND VISITING AND LESS MONEY IN RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE APPROACH IT IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS DO.
WE WE DON'T SLOW DOWN OUR INVESTMENT.
WE INCREASE OUR INVESTMENT IN THESE AREAS TO HELP THEM BOUNCE BACK AND GROW VERY WELL.
SO YOU CAN SEE SINCE THAT THAT RECESSION, THAT 0.8.
3 MILLION, WE'RE NOW UP TO 11.4.
WE'RE BASICALLY BACK ON TRACK.
SO WE DEFINITELY SEE SOME GROWTH IN OUR PBB TAX, THIS COMING YEAR.
WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR, PROJECTIONS AND, TAX UPDATES AND PROJECTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THOSE BEFORE I GO TO PROPERTY TAX? ALL RIGHT. I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROPERTY TAX CONSIDERATIONS.
JUST KIND OF AN OUTLINE OF WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS AN ORGANIZATION.
THE RATE IS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
IN ADDITION, WE CAN GET THE NEW BUILDING GROWTH ADDED TO THAT TAX BASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
WE HAVE NOT RAISED THIS FOR FOUR YEARS AND THIS WILL BE OUR FIFTH YEAR COMING UP.
SO NOW WE HAVE A CAPACITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 25 OF 10% CAPACITY.
IN NUMBER WISE, THAT'S ABOUT A $744,000 LEVY.
INCREASE REVENUES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
IN ORDER FOR US TO CONSIDER INCREASED REVENUES OR GIVE COUNCIL THE OPTION TO DO THAT AT A AT A OUR BUDGET, ADOPTIONS AND TAX LEVIES, WE HAVE TO DO THE 60 DAY PUBLIC NOTICE.
THIS IS REQUIRED FOR ALL INCREASES IN REVENUES LIKE OUR USER FEES AND SO FORTH.
WATER, WASTEWATER, ALL THOSE, THOSE FEES.
SO, WE ARE REQUIRED TO POST THAT.
IT YOU KNOW, DOESN'T SAY THAT WE WILL, DO ONE.
BUT IF WE WERE TO, TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT OPTION FOR THE APRIL RETREAT AND THE CONSIDERATION WE WILL NEED TO BY APRIL 19TH, AND I THINK OUR RETREAT IS ON THE 23RD OR 24TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE RIGHT DATE THERE, BUT SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT POSTING.
BUT THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC NOTE AND WE HAVE, WRITERS OPTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT WE SAY IN OUR PUBLIC NOTICE AND HOW IT, COMES OFF, WE CAN SAY WE'RE JUST POSTING JUST FOR THE OPTION BUDGET RETREAT.
THAT'S WHEN IT'LL BE CONSIDERED.
BUT NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE TAX.
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HERE IS JUST.WELL, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CHARTS THAT WE LIKE TO DO.
THIS IS, KIND OF WHERE WE WERE WITH THE OTHER ONES.
WE GOT THE THE TEN YEAR HISTORY AND WHERE WE ARE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, LEVELING OFF OF OUR ACTUALS ON THE BLUE LINE.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST GROWTH RELATED TAXES THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO COLLECT AND INCREASE ON.
AND GOING FORWARD, WE'RE KEEPING THAT A FLAT LINE.
THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR BUDGETS.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING IN PROPERTY TAX INCREASES ON OUR SIDE.
AS FAR AS THE BUDGET TEAM AND HOW WE'RE BALANCING THE FIVE YEAR PLANS, TEN YEAR PLANS.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT IS.
IF WE WERE TO GO TO MAXIMUM TAX RATE LEVEL LEVY REVENUES, YOU CAN SEE THE ORANGE LINE HERE OR BROWN.
NOT SURE WHAT IT WE'D NEVER CALL IT.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PROJECTIONS COULD BE, WHAT THE RESOURCES WOULD BE FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF GETTING THAT ONE YEAR $744,000 BUMP PLUS THE 2% LEVY GOING FORWARD.
IT'S JUST A PICTURE, FOR YOU TO SEE.
CAN YOU GO OVER AGAIN SO THAT THE LEGISLATURE SETS THE TAX RATE? IS THAT THE TAX RATE? TO RECEIVE THE LEVY.
THE STATE STATUTE PUTS THE CAP ON IT.
OKAY. COUNCIL SETS THE RATE TO COLLECT THE LEVY THAT WE WANT.
BUT THEY ESSENTIALLY THE LEGISLATURE SETS THE CAP CAP IN INCREASE IN REVENUES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND ONCE YOU FOREGO IT, YOU DON'T LOSE IT.
THE LEVY I SAW TWO COUPLE HANDS.
I'LL GO, GO BACK A SLIDE OR FORWARD A SLIDE? YEAH. KEEP IT THERE.
IT'S BEEN MY PRACTICE IN THE PAST TO GO AHEAD AND THUMBS UP OR GREEN LIGHT THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
JUST TO JUST TO KEEP OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND OPEN.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY EVER RAISED THIS LOVELY LEVY IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
YOU'RE CORRECT ME IF MY MEMORY IS INCORRECT ON THAT.
IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS THAT WE DID NOT.
AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE I THINK WE'VE WE'VE PUT NOTICE EACH YEAR.
IN THE END, IT HASN'T CREATED A LOT OF CONTROVERSY OR PANIC OUT THERE.
AND IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN.
WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST KEEPING OUR OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
SO THIS IS JUST A HOLDING PATTERN EXERCISE.
I'LL GET THE DIRECTION ON THE LAST SLIDE.
TWO WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD OF ME, I'M ALREADY UP.
I CAN GO THERE TO RESTATE, HOW THAT, IS CALCULATED AND IMPACTS THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT SAID BASED ON THEIR TAX ASSESSED VALUE.
HOW IS THAT COLLECTED OR HOW IS THAT CALCULATED ANOTHER CALCULATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A WHITEBOARD.
EXACTLY. A WHOLE BUNCH OVER THERE.
WE SET THE LEVY, THE COUNCIL SETS THE LEVY, NOT WE.
YOU SET THE LEVY AS FAR AS WHAT REVENUES WE WANT TO COLLECT IN THE NEXT TAX YEAR.
THE COUNTY CONTROLS AS FAR AS HOW THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE MADE AND PUT AGAINST EACH PROPERTY.
THERE'S A CAP AS FAR AS WHAT THE THE.
GROWTH IN THE ASSESSMENT IS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE MATH WRITTEN OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO A 2% LEVY INCREASE, IT WASHES OUT THROUGH ALL THE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, SO EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT IMPACT BASED ON OTHER ASSESSED VALUES GROW OVER YEAR OVER YEAR OR IF THEY DECREASED.
AND SO IT JUST LEVELS OUT THAT SET OF REVENUES OVER ALL THE TAX BASE.
SO IT'S NOT A DEFINITIVE NUMBER, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
AND WE CAN COME BACK AND DO MORE AS WE WE.
SOMEBODY HEARS THAT THEY'RE THINKING LIKE PROPERTY TAX GOING TO INCREASE 2% OR SO.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THERE AND WON'T BE EXACTLY 2%.
BE A LITTLE HIGHER. COULD BE A LITTLE LESS.
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JIMMY. I SAY THAT AFFECTIONATELY.A LOT OF RESPECT. IT'S A LOT OF I'VE HEARD COUNCIL PEOPLE, NOT THIS COUNCIL, BUT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC DID NOT UNDERSTAND.
IF THE AVERAGE VALUATION GOES UP THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON WILL INCREASE THEIR TAXES.
AND THEY ALL DO ALL THESE THINGS.
BUT THE CITY PART IS THE VALUATIONS ALL GO UP.
THE TAX RATE GOES DOWN SO THAT THE AMOUNT COLLECTED IS THE SAME.
SO INFLATION DOES NOT MAKE THE AMOUNT OF TAX THAT PERSON PAYS GO UP.
MY HOUSE MIGHT GO UP 10% AND MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR MIGHT GO UP 8%.
WELL SO I'LL PAY A LITTLE MORE THAN THEM.
BUT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT TO THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND.
AS FAR AS, SHOULD WE GIVE THE NOTICE THAT DISCUSSION MIGHT BE BETTER HAD AFTER WE TALK FOR THE NEXT DAY AND A HALF ABOUT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE? SO, MY INCLINATION IS TO GO WITH THE VICE MAYOR AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED IT, BUT NOTICE IT JUST IN CASE.
WE KEEP IT LEVEL THAT THE TAXES.
SO EVEN IF WE JUST INCREASE IT A LITTLE, THAT MIGHT BE JUST TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION AND NOT IN REAL SPENDING CAPACITY HAVE ANY IMPACT AT ALL.
SO I HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
AND AGAIN, I'VE HEARD PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS LITERALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO IF ANYBODY HERE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT, ASK RICK.
HE'LL EXPLAIN IT IN MORE DETAIL THAN I CAN.
SECONDARY PROPERTY TAXES IS A RATE THAT WE SET BASED ON OUR VOTER AUTHORIZATION.
AND SO THAT ONE WILL STAY FLAT.
SO AS ASSESSED VALUES GO UP 5%, THOSE WILL INCREASE IN OUR COFFERS.
BUT THAT'S PLANNED TO PAY BACK OUR DEBT.
PRIMARY PROPERTY TAX. YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN DECREASING THE RATE FOR MANY YEARS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK IN A WORK SESSION LATER AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT TO POST THIS.
WE JUST THOUGHT WE'D GET SOME DIRECTION TODAY.
FROM COUNCIL, WHETHER WE POST THIS NOTICE AND WE CAN WORK ON LANGUAGE AND, MOVE THAT FORWARD.
AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE INCREASING THE LEVY.
GET DIRECTIONS. I HEARD ONE, TWO.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON REVENUE UPDATES.
THANK YOU. WE GOT THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION IN LESS TIME.
GOOD JOB. IS EVERYBODY READY FOR A BREAK? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.
LET'S TAKE, STAND AFTER RIGHT NOW.
THAT'LL KEEP US ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. BRANDY.
LET'S GIVE HER A HAND. SO THIS WAY WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.
REDDING MAYOR AND COUNCIL BRANDI SUDDUTH SERVING AS YOUR CITY'S FINANCE DIRECTOR.
SO THIS NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO COVER OUR PROJECTED AVAILABLE RESOURCES, AS WELL AS OUR FIXED COST PROJECTIONS FOR OUR UPCOMING BUDGET. FISCAL YEAR 2425.
SO STARTING OFF, WITH OUR PENSION CONTRIBUTION RATES.
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SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS A SEVEN YEAR HISTORY OF OUR CITY PENSION RATES FOR EACH OF OUR DIFFERENT PENSION PLANS.FIRST OFF, WE HAVE OUR ARIZONA STATE RETIREMENT SYSTEM, OR ASE, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425, WE ARE ACTUALLY SEEING A SMALL DECREASE OF 0.02%, IN THIS RATE.
SO WE HAVE SEEN THIS RATE IS FAIRLY STABLE, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE SEVEN YEARS FOR OUR, PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL RETIREMENT SYSTEM OR SPS.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDE, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN THE RATE IN FISCAL YEAR 2021, DUE TO THE CITY ISSUING PENSION DEBT TO FUND THE SPS UNFUNDED LIABILITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425.
POLICE PENSION RATES ARE FOR BOTH TIER ONE AND TIER TWO, AS WELL AS TIER THREE ARE INCREASING SLIGHTLY AT 1.6% AND 0.96%. THIS IS DUE MAINLY TO HIGHER THAN EXPECTED SALARY GROWTH.
FIRE RATES FOR BOTH THE TIER ONE, TWO AND THREE, WE ARE ACTUALLY SEEING A SLIGHT DECREASE OF 0.44 AND 0.33 IN THOSE PLANTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS RETIREMENT PLAN, OR EOP, CONTRIBUTION RATES CONTINUE TO INCREASE DUE TO THE LARGE UNFUNDED LIABILITY AND THE LOW FUNDING STATUS OF THIS FUND.
WE DO NOT HAVE, RATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425 YET.
BUT OUR FISCAL YEAR 2324 RATES DID INCREASE 6.07%.
CURRENTLY, THIS FUND, AS OF LAST FISCAL YEAR, WAS FUNDED BY 39%.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, CURRENT OR FORMER ELECTEDS AT THE CITY ARE IN THAT PLAN? NOT KNOW. 14 THAT.
YES. I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE ON COUNCIL FOR FIVE YEARS OR MORE TO BE ELIGIBLE.
SO ANYBODY THAT ONLY HAD ONE TERM WOULD NOT BE ON IT.
SO HOW DOES THAT THOSE RATES, CONVERT INTO MONEY.
SO THESE ARE AGAIN THESE ARE CITYWIDE COSTS.
SO WITH ASSER'S SEEING A SMALL DECREASE, WE ARE SEEING A SMALL DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT, WITH A PROJECTED TOTAL COST OF 5.7 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 25 FOR SPRINGS POLICE.
SPRINGS FIRE IS PROJECTED, FOR A TOTAL OF 1.3 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WHICH IS A SMALL DECREASE OVER THE PRIOR YEAR.
AND LASTLY, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS PLAN IS AT $316,000.
SO MOVING AWAY FROM PENSION AND TALKING ABOUT SOME OF OUR OTHER, IMPACTS.
SO THE CITY HAS SEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASES ON OUR OPERATIONS CITYWIDE.
WE HAVE SEEN WHICH HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE CITY'S BUDGET OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND, IS IMPACTING THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING, JUST A FEW AREAS THAT WE'RE SEEING LARGE, THE LARGEST IMPACTS, BUT WE ARE SEEING INFLATIONARY IMPACTS ACROSS MANY AREAS WITHIN THE CITY'S OPERATING BUDGET.
SO FIRST OFF, WE HAVE THE COST OF FUEL FOR GAS AND OIL.
THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO CLIMB.
INCREASE. AND AND WHILE WE HAVE SEEN, FUEL PRICES DECLINE RECENTLY, WE ARE STILL PROJECTING TO BE ABOUT 368,000 OVER THE CITY'S BASE BUDGET AND FISCAL YEAR 25.
VEHICLE MOTOR PARTS IS ANOTHER AREA WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN, ESPECIALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 2022 AND 23 ACTUALS. YOU CAN SEE, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GROWTH, OVER A HALF $1 MILLION INCREASE EACH YEAR OVER THOSE TWO YEARS.
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AND, AND, AND ARE EXPECTING A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN 24 AND 25.AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING OVERALL CITYWIDE TO BE $2.5 MILLION OVER THE BASE BUDGET IN 2025.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BASE BUDGET OF $1.5 MILLION CITYWIDE.
IT'S ON TRACK TO BE AT 3.6, THE 24 AND 3.7 AND 25.
YES. SO, JUST IN SUMMARY OR IN GENERAL, LIKE HOW DO YOU PREDICT THE INCREASE IN PARTS NEEDED? IS IT BECAUSE THE AGE OF OUR EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES.
BUT I DO THINK A PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD.
REVIT IS INFLATIONARY COST, RIGHT? THE COST OF PARTS HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
IF YOU TALK TO OUR FLEET MANAGER YOU WOULD SAY THAT.
SO WE DO. THE STRUCTURE RELATED TO OUR FLEET.
AND SO IF THOSE CHALLENGES OF GETTING THOSE VEHICLES IN THIS THAT HAS INCREASED THIS PROBLEM.
AND SO I'VE PROJECTED A SMALL INCREASE IN, IN 25, UNTIL WE CAN START SEEING SOME DECLINES IN THAT.
AND THE UTILITIES FOR ELECTRIC, IS THE RED.
WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE 2223 INCREASE? THE 2223 INCREASE.
CAUGHT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, IT WENT FLATLINE.
AND THEN IT'S GONE UP. AND THEN IT KIND OF STAYS UP AT THAT NEXT YEAR.
YEAH, I MEAN A GOOD CHUNK OF THIS IS RELATED TO WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO I WOULD SAY WATER IS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR LARGEST USERS OF ELECTRICITY WE'RE PUMPING.
YEAH. NO I THE 25 INCREASE WE'RE PROJECTING IS RELATED TO WE ANTICIPATE APS ABOUT A 7% INCREASE IN THAT RATE.
SO THAT IS PART OF THE LONGER TERM IMPACTS.
AND IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT THAT CONCERN TO YOUR ATTENTION.
NOW, FOCUSING MORE ON THE GENERAL FUND.
FOCUSING MORE ON THE GENERAL FUND AND MOVING INTO PROJECTED AVAILABLE RESOURCES.
AS WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425.
IN FISCAL YEAR 23 EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS, LARGELY TO USER FEES WITHIN, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS INVESTMENT EARNINGS. AS WELL AS SOME STATE SHARED SALES TAX, PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL 1.3.1 9,000,000 IN 1 TIME.
RESOURCES. ALSO, AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2023.
WE SAW OVERALL EXPENDITURE SAVINGS OF 4.4 MILLION.
THIS IS MAINLY DUE TO SALARY VACANCIES, SAVINGS, AS WELL AS SOME CONTRACTUAL SAVINGS THROUGHOUT THE DIVISIONS AND SECTIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH CREATES ADDITIONAL ONE TIME RESOURCES.
AND THEN, BASED ON THE LATEST REVENUE PROJECTIONS, PRESENTED BY RICK, AS WELL AS CONTINUED STRONG GROWTH AGAIN IN OUR INVESTMENT EARNINGS, WE ARE EXPECTING TO EXCEED BUDGET REVENUES IN FISCAL YEAR 24 BY 2.24 MILLION, CREATING ADDITIONAL ONE TIME RESOURCES.
OVERALL, WE ARE ANTICIPATING TOTAL REVENUE GROWTH OF $1.4 MILLION.
SO SO OVERALL TOTAL CAPACITY, WE HAVE $10.5 MILLION IN ONE TIME AVAILABLE AND 700,000 IN ONGOING WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND FOR BUDGET ALLOCATION AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET.
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AND 20,000,000 IN 1 TIME.SO THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 24.
AND THEN LASTLY, I DID INCLUDE ON THIS SLIDE JUST THAT PROPERTY, PROPERTY TAX, THAT 10% INCREASE THAT WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER $740,000 IN ONGOING RESOURCES.
THE. AGAIN FOCUSING ON THE GENERAL FUND.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE KNOWN FIXED COSTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THE FIRST ON THIS LIST ARE ALREADY FUNDED IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THIS IS A COST ESTIMATE OF $1.9 MILLION ANNUALLY.
NO PENSION INCREASES ARE ALSO FUNDED AT THE 135,000.
THAT IS FUNDED AT A COST OF $115,000.
WE ALSO ANTICIPATE UTILITY COST INCREASES IMPACTING THE GENERAL FUND BY APPROXIMATELY $65,000.
AND WHILE AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE KNOWN NUMBERS FOR PROPERTY LIABILITY AND WORKMAN'S COMP, WE COULD SEE UP TO A 20% IMPACT INCREASE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR, WHICH THAT DOES EQUATE TO APPROXIMATELY A HALF $1 MILLION.
SO LARGE IMPACTS, SHOULD WE SEE 20% INCREASE? MOVING ON TO KIND OF NOW KIND OF LOOKING AT THE STATE OF ALL OF THE CITY FUNDS.
SO HERE IS KIND OF A RADAR WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL OTHER CITY FUNDS, FISCAL HEALTH.
SO, GREEN MEANS IT'S A HEALTHY FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR THAT FUND.
YELLOW MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING CAUTIOUS.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME MAYBE LONGER TERM CONCERNS ABOUT THIS FUND.
NOW, WE DO A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR ALL OF THESE FUNDS.
AND WE ARE LOOKING TO BALANCE THOSE FIVE AND TEN YEARS.
SO THAT MONEY, SOMETHING WE PROMISED TODAY WE CAN DELIVER LONG INTO THE FUTURE.
THE FIRST WE HAVE THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUND OR HER.
AND WHILE WE HAVE SEEN SOME IN 2025 REVENUES, IN THE LONG TERM, THIS FUND IS THIS REVENUE IS EXPECTED TO SLOW CONSIDERABLY. AND WE ARE SEEING SOME INCREASED COSTS IN STAFFING AS WELL AS INCREASED OPERATING COSTS AND MAINTENANCE NEEDS.
WE ARE NOW SEEING STRUGGLES, TO FUND THE INCREASED COST OF STAFFING SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO MINIMUM WAGE AND OUR STARTING $18 AN HOUR, AS WELL AS OTHER OPERATING NEEDS, IN ADDITION TO THE INCREASED COST OF CAPITAL NEEDS WITHIN THIS FUND.
THE WATER RESOURCE INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION FUND, OR SOMETIMES WE REFER TO IT AS RIP IS CURRENTLY BALANCED, THOUGH WE DO SEE SOME POTENTIAL LONG TERM CONCERNS AS OPERATIONAL COST INCREASES ARE OUTPACING THE REVENUE GROWTH.
IN THE FUTURE YEARS OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
WATER, WASTEWATER AND RECLAIMED.
AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A RATE STUDY.
AND ALL OF THESE FUNDS ARE STRUGGLING TO BALANCE THEIR INFLATIONARY COST OF OPERATING COST, AS WELL AS THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE WE'VE SEEN IN HIGHLY NEEDED CAPITAL PROJECTS. THROUGHOUT THESE FUNDS, MOST SIGNIFICANTLY IN OUR WASTEWATER FUND.
STORMWATER. WITH THE RECENT APPROVED RATE INCREASES, WE HAVE A BALANCED, FIVE YEAR PLAN.
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THIS FUND. SOLID WASTE, IS ANOTHER ONE THAT IS IN RED.IT IS CURRENTLY STRUGGLING TO BALANCE THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN OPERATING COSTS, ESPECIALLY GAS AND PARTS, AS WELL AS COST OF OVERTIME DUE TO HIGH VACANCIES, COMPOUNDED BY THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN RECYCLING WITH THE ABRUPT TERMINATION OF A PREVIOUS OR PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR FOR MURF OPERATIONS AND MOVING TO A TRANSFER STATION FOR RECYCLING SERVICES.
SUSTAINABILITY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT FUND IS YELLOW.
THIS FUND IS CURRENTLY BALANCED, BUT WE DO SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME LONGER TERM, LONGER TERM CONCERNS AS THE LONG TERM NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS OF THIS FUND MAY OUTPACE THE REVENUE SOURCE.
LAST YEAR I THINK WE SHOWED THIS FUND AS GREEN.
THIS GRANT REVENUE IS COMING TO AN END.
AND AND CURRENTLY, WITH ONE AIRPORT AIRLINE OPERATING OUT OF OUR AIRPORT, WE SEE THIS FUND STRUGGLING TO FUND INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS WITHIN ITS CURRENT REVENUE STREAMS. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO DIG IN TO THESE RED AND YELLOW AREAS.
WE MAY HIT ON SOME OF THESE THROUGHOUT THESE TWO DAY RETREATS.
WE WILL CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN APRIL AS WE DISCUSS MORE.
SO THE BUDGET TEAM HAS SOME TIME TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE THESE FUNDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND THREE WEEKS AS A BUDGET TEAM LOOKING AT ALL THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF OUR FIVE YEAR PLANS, BUT WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME FUNDS THAT WE ARE SEEING THAT ARE STRUGGLING.
HOW IS THE LIBRARY FUND FUNDED? SO THE LIBRARY FUND IS FUNDED WITH A COUNTY LIBRARY, DISTRICT TAX, AS WELL AS A GENERAL FUND TRANSFER OF PROPERTY TAX.
YES. AND SO LAST YEAR THE COUNTY BOARD DID INCREASE THE RATE FOR THAT.
IT'S A SECONDARY PROPERTY TAX.
THEY DIDN'T APPROVE A RATE INCREASE, BUT THEY USED THAT GROWTH IN THE RATE TO FUND, NEW POSITIONS.
I NEED TO AS, AS LISTED IN THE IGA.
FOR THAT ONE IS REALLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE COUNTY MORE THAN THE CITY.
YEAH, WE CERTAINLY WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM.
NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR BRANDY BEFORE SHE SITS DOWN.
OKAY. UP NEXT, WE'VE GOT, JEN.
UPDATE. WOOHOO! WOW. THAT WAS KIND OF THAT WAS KIND OF.
AND I THINK WE CAN DO MUCH BETTER.
ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE DID HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH AND UPDATE OUR NUMBERS FOR THE FULL YEAR OF 2023.
WE ENDED ON, 203 RECRUITMENTS, RESULTING IN 359 HIRES AND 20%.
MOVEMENTS. AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN LAST TIME.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON WHAT'S CHANGED.
AS FAR AS OUR APPLICATIONS, YOU'LL SEE IN 2023, WE ENDED WITH ALMOST 1000 MORE THAN WE HAD IN 2022 AT 4280, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE 78% WERE FROM IN-STATE, WITH 56% BEING FLAGSTAFF LOCALS. AND THAT WAS WITHIN, 30 MILES OF FLAGSTAFF IS WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE LOCAL.
OUR DEMOGRAPHICS 56% MALE, 41% FEMALE, WITH 2.45 DECLINING TO STATE AND OTHER
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0.55. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS OUR ETHNICITY BREAKDOWN, WITH THE MAJORITY BEING WHITE, HISPANIC OR LATINO, AND THEN INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS.PAIRS BY SOURCE. YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT THE MAJORITY WERE THROUGH OUR CITY OF FLAGSTAFF WEBSITE.
SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE CAME IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS 13.2.
IN JANUARY IT WAS, 11.5% VACANCY RATE.
SO TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE HAVING VACANCIES, WHY WE'RE HAVING WITHDRAWALS, WE DUG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO SOME OF THE DATA. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'LL LOOK AT, ONE OF WHICH IS WITHDRAWING FROM THE PROCESS.
AND IN THE YEAR 2023, WE HAD 478 PEOPLE WHO DROPPED FROM OUR PROCESS.
278 OF THOSE DIDN'T SCHEDULE AN INTERVIEW.
72 OF THEM SCHEDULED THE INTERVIEW BUT DIDN'T SHOW UP.
55 ACCEPTED ANOTHER OFFER, 5% CITED COST OF LIVING OR LACK OF HOUSING, AND 68 WERE SOME OTHER TYPE OF REASON.
AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE THAT ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE PROCESS AND DECLINED OFFERS IN 2023, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 103. SO 38 ACCEPTED ANOTHER POSITION, 30 CITED ANOTHER REASON, SUCH AS A PERSONAL 26 DECLINED DUE TO SALARY, EIGHT DUE TO COST OF LIVING AND ONE DUE TO COST OF BENEFITS.
THE DECLINE DUE TO SALARY COULD ALSO BE COST OF LIVING, LACK OF HOUSING, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION WITH THE SALARY.
WHEN USUALLY WHEN WE FOLLOW UP WITH THEM, WE MOVE THEM INTO OUR, INTO OUR CATEGORIES.
BUT A LOT OF THE TIME YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO THE FIRST ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR STREETS OPERATION TECH.
SO WE HAD EIGHT VACANCIES IN THAT POSITION.
THEY'RE WITHDRAWING, THEY'RE DECLINING, ACCEPTING OTHER OFFERS DUE TO THE PAY.
SO IT WAS SOME OF THE REASONS FOR THAT POSITION.
IF I LOOK AT OUR COURT, JUDICIAL SPECIALISTS, THOSE WERE, AGAIN, INTERVIEWS NOT BEING SCHEDULED BY CANDIDATES, NO SHOWING FOR INTERVIEWS OR, THOSE CANDIDATES JUST JUST NOT BEING OF THE QUALITY OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO HIRE AS AN EMPLOYEE.
WE DID HAVE, ONE OF OUR POSITIONS, THE WATER SERVICES SUPERVISOR.
WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH CANDIDATES MEETING THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, SO THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE CLASS AND COMP TEAM TO DETERMINE AND AND THE MANAGERS TO DETERMINE IF THOSE, REQUIREMENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR THOSE JOBS.
IN TERMS OF SHORT TERM RETENTION IN 2023.
WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT WE HIRED THAT JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK.
WE HAD THREE THAT SHOWED UP FOR WORK AND ONLY STAYED A WEEK.
WE HAD FIVE THAT DROPPED WITHIN THE FIRST MONTH, BUT AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE, I THINK OUR REAL AREA OF OPPORTUNITY IS WITHIN THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS WHERE WE HAD 23 PEOPLE LEAVE. THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO ENGAGE EMPLOYEES AND IN TRYING TO RETAIN THEM.
AND THEN, TWO MORE HAD LEFT BY THE THE END OF THAT FIRST YEAR.
THEN YOU'VE SEEN THIS SITES PREVIOUSLY.
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WE'VE ALSO INCREASED OUR PARTICIPATION IN JOB FAIRS.AND THEY'RE THEY'RE SLOWLY COMING BACK TO IN PERSON.
SO WE HAVE, BEGUN PARTICIPATING ESPECIALLY AT NIU AND SEEK.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON OUR SECOND ONE COMING UP IN 2024.
WE'VE ALSO GIVEN OUR HIRING MANAGERS MORE AUTONOMY SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON HR.
WE ALSO HAVE REALLY WORKED TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE, WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED BY THE DEFINED TERMS TO MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS IN OTHER WAYS.
SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF A JOB REQUIRES A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND YOU HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, BUT MAYBE THEY HAVE FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE EQUIVALENT.
SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS DO HAVE THAT OTHER CATEGORY.
SO WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE HIRING MANAGERS.
SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HIRE THIS CANDIDATE, HOW HOW CAN WE GET THEM TO MEET THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS? AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HIRING MANAGERS AS POSITIONS COME UP, JUST TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER RESOURCES THAT THEY KNOW OF WHERE WE CAN ADVERTISE POSITIONS AND OBTAIN MORE CANDIDATES.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT, ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE DEFINITELY WORKLOAD MANAGEMENT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 71 OPEN RECRUITMENTS.
WE HAVE A VACANT RECRUITER POSITION.
WE HAVE AN ANALYST THAT IS WORKING FULL TIME IN RECRUITMENT AND CARRYING THE MAJORITY OF THE LOAD.
SO WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG BECAUSE OF OUR VACANCIES.
THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR SOMETHING CALLED SPARK HIRE, WHICH IS A VIDEO INTERVIEWING TOOL, WHICH MAKES IT REALLY NICE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW BUSY WE ARE, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET EVERYONE TOGETHER TO VIDEO OR TO INTERVIEW.
SO THIS MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THE CANDIDATE TO RECORD THEIR INTERVIEW.
AND THEN EACH OF THE PEOPLE ON THE INTERVIEWING TEAM CAN WATCH IT AT THEIR OWN, AS TIME ALLOWS.
AND IT'S REALLY NICE FOR THINGS LIKE SCREENING INTERVIEWS.
WE THINGS THAT HIRING MANAGERS CAN DO TO HELP US OUT IS TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THEIR APPLICATIONS AS THEY'RE SENT THROUGH AND DO THOSE SME REVIEWS, AND AS THOSE CANDIDATES ARE COMING THROUGH.
LOOKING AHEAD AT THEIR CALENDAR, INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE VERY THE VERY END WHEN THE POSITION CLOSES TO SET UP THE INTERVIEWS, IS JUST LOOKING OUT AND JUST TRYING TO SPEED EVERYTHING UP AND PLAN AHEAD AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
IT HELPS US TO NOT LOSE SOME OF THOSE CANDIDATES TO OTHER PROCESSES.
AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW A MINIMUM OF 25% OF OUR POSITIONS FOR MARKET ADJUSTMENTS ANNUALLY, WHICH HELP US STAY MORE IN LINE WITH THE MARKET FOR SALARIES.
ANY QUESTIONS ON RECRUITMENT? YES. TWO.
WHEN YOU COMPARE THESE POSITIONS 25% TO MARKET.
WHAT MARKET LIKE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGHER COST OF LIVING UP HERE.
ARE YOU JUST LOOKING IN THE MARKET, GENERAL? THROUGHOUT THE STATE OR.
YOU GOING TO ANSWER THAT, JESSICA? SURE. SHE'S, WORKING AS OUR INTERIM CLASS AND COMP MANAGER, SO I'LL LET HER EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT.
YEAH. SO WE, HAVE IDENTIFIED SIMILAR COST OF LIVING BENCHMARK ORGANIZATIONS.
AND IT EVEN INCLUDES, LIKE, REGIONALLY HIGHER COST OF LIVING.
REGARDLESS OF THE BENCHMARK WE'RE USING, THOUGH, WE USE WHAT'S CALLED A LIKE A COLI FACTOR.
COST OF LIVING DATA FOR ALL OF THOSE BENCHMARKS.
AND THEN WE ADJUST UP OR DOWN.
WE'VE IT'S FLUCTUATED BETWEEN 24 TO 30, BUT THE CORE STAYS ABOUT THE SAME FOR CONSISTENCY.
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AND THEY WERE THE EVERGREEN, THE ONES WE USED IN THE EVERGREEN STUDY, THE LATEST KIND OF CITYWIDE, MARKET PROCESS.AND THEN WE'VE JUST CONTINUED. MY OTHER QUESTION IS WOULD THE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE? YEA, I KNOW THE COST TO ONBOARD A NEW EMPLOYEE.
ARE WE DOING EXIT INTERVIEWS BECAUSE I'M SUSPECTING THAT THEY COME IN AND THEN THEY REALIZE COMING FROM OUT OF THE CITY, I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. THE SALARY LOOKED GREAT.
I HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT COST TO LIVE HERE.
ARE WE CAPTURING THAT INFORMATION? YEAH. SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH EXIT INTERVIEWS.
BUT WE HEAR THAT. WE HEAR THAT A LOT.
WE ALSO TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO ENCOURAGE HIRING MANAGERS TO TALK TO THE CANDIDATES DURING INTERVIEWS ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING AND THE HOUSING MARKET IN FLAGSTAFF, SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT BEFORE THEY ACCEPT A JOB AND TRY TO MOVE HERE.
WHO IS ALWAYS ON OUR LIST BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW.
SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.
DO WE TRY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, LIKE, OUR INTERNS AND OUR VISTAS AND OUR MIRACLES AND ALL OF THOSE TYPE PROGRAMS THAT ARE WORKING FOR THE CITY ALREADY, TO SEE IF THEY COULD FIT INTO ANY POSITIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, LOOKING AT THEIR SKILLS AND ABILITIES, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE THAT DEPARTMENT.
MAYBE THEY'VE HAD OTHER EXPERIENCES.
YEAH, IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR IN ANOTHER AREA.
BUT NOW THEY'RE WORKING IN RECREATION.
YEAH. WE ACTUALLY, HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE ON OUR TEAM.
SO ANNIKA WAS OUR RIGHT, RIGHT OUT OF DURING COLLEGE.
IN. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR OUR OFFICER OVER HERE.
A REAL SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM IN RECRUITING ENOUGH OFFICERS THAT IN VARIOUS WAYS, ONE OF WHICH IS GIVING AN EXTRA BOOST TO THE POLICE SALARIES. SO, HOW IS, HOW ARE WE AS FAR AS RECRUITING POLICE OFFICERS AND WHOEVER ANSWERS.
WANT TO ANSWER IT? TAKE THAT ONE.
DO YOU WANT TO START WITH YOUR NUMBERS? THEN I CAN RESPECT THAT WORK.
I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE CURRENT VACANCY RATE IS FOR POLICE OFFICERS.
SO OUR POLICE RECRUITMENT NUMBERS HAVE.
WE WENT TO A STEP PLAN AND THAT HAS INCREASED.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE ABOUT LIVES ELSEWHERE OR NEED TO BE CLOSER TO MOM AND DAD KIND OF THINGS.
THAT'S OK LATERAL OFFICERS OR OFFICERS THAT ARE SWORN AND CERTIFIED AT OTHER AGENCIES COMING TO US.
AND MOST OF THOSE ARE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE.
BUT WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY GOOD RECRUITMENT THERE.
OUR DISPATCH, HAS REALLY BEEN A SUCCESS STORY.
GOT A TON OF THEM IN TRAINING.
IF YOU CALL 911 THEY ARE LEARNING AND WE'RE GETTING THERE.
BUT THAT WAS PREDOMINANTLY DUE TO PAY INCREASES.
THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER.
JUST ADD TO THAT. I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN MY EKE PRESENTATION.
BUT FOR YOUR COMMENT, WE HAVE HAD OUR INTERNS MOVE UP OUR POLICE AIDES.
NOW WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY STARTED OUR ACADEMY.
WE HAVE THEM GO THERE, AND NOW THEY'RE OUT WORKING ON THE ROAD.
IT'S BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS THERE.
WE'VE BEEN CREATIVE IN OUR EFFORTS.
IN MY OPINION, THE RECRUITMENT HAS BEEN MUCH BETTER.
NOW WE NEED TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE RETENTION.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AS MULTIFACETED TO IT.
BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY HELPED OVER THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS.
THE OTHER CITIES MADE EVEN GREATER JUMPS.
THANK YOU. THOSE ARE TWO RECRUITMENTS THAT WE KEEP OPEN FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND QUALIFIED.
ALL RIGHT. I AM GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR BENEFITS UPDATE.
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INSURANCE. AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO, GET A 1.5% INCREASE FOR MEDICAL.SO BASED ON THE LAST FEW YEARS, THIS IS REALLY GOOD NEWS.
IT. RANDY MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.
TO FUND 72% OF THE EMPLOYEE, PLUS ONE IS WHAT THE BUDGET TEAM USUALLY RECOMMENDS, RECOMMENDS.
AND TO DO THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR, IT WOULD COST US $115,000 TO MAINTAIN THAT RATIO, AND THEN THE COST OF THE INCREASED HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE PENSION WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 250,000.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL RATES WOULD BE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE ONE OF THE MOST, I THINK, IMPORTANT COLUMNS IS THE OF COURSE, IT'S THE CITY CLASS, BUT THE EMPLOYEE COSTS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE ARE GOING UP BETWEEN $1.52 AND 1273 FOR THE THE HIGHEST PLANS.
SO THAT'S, MUCH BETTER THAN IT'S BEEN RECENTLY.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON MEDICAL? RIGHT. I AM GOING TO HAND IT OVER.
SO TODAY I'M JUST GOING TO COVER, SOME COMPENSATION PRIORITIES.
AS WE LOOK AHEAD, RECOGNIZING THESE WILL NOT ALL BE FUNDED THIS YEAR.
I WANT TO PROVIDE A PICTURE OF WHERE WE WANT TO, CONTINUE TAKING OUR COMPENSATION PLAN.
FIRST. SO IN SPEAKING WITH DIFFERENT WORK GROUPS, EVEN JUST INTERNALLY WITHIN THE CITY, SUCH AS LIKE EAC, WE RECOGNIZE THAT TERMINOLOGY, HAS DIFFERENT MEANINGS. SO ON THIS SLIDE WE'LL SEE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THE TERMINOLOGY WE USE IN OUR COMPENSATION TEAM AND SPECIFICALLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN, APPLIED PREVIOUSLY, IN THE CITY BEFORE.
SO AS A COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT OCCURS WHEN ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE SALARIES ARE ADJUSTED UPWARD, TO BETTER POSITION THEM IN THEIR RANGE, THE PAY RANGES THEMSELVES ARE NOT ADJUSTED.
EXAMPLES OF INELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES IN THIS CASE WOULD INCLUDE THOSE THAT HAVE HAD A SALARY CALCULATION REVIEW SINCE THE MOST RECENT POLICY CHANGE, INCLUDING NEW HIRES. EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE HAD A POSITION CHANGE OR THOSE THAT ARE TOPPED OUT.
EXAMPLES OF INELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES FOR THIS GROUP INCLUDE THOSE IN STEP PLANS AND THOSE THAT ARE TOPPED OUT OR CLOSE TO THE MAX, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PAY PLAN THEY'RE IN. A MARKET ADJUSTMENT OCCURS WHEN PAY RANGES AND EMPLOYEES ARE ADJUSTED UPWARD TO MAINTAIN A COMPETITIVE POSITION WITHIN THE BENCHMARK'S. MARKET BASED PAY GENERALLY MEANS THE AVERAGE OF THE MARKET POSITIONS ARE PAID FOR PERFORMING SIMILAR JOB DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS.
THEREFORE, NEW EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED INTO AN APPROPRIATE RANGE, AND THOSE THAT ARE HIGHLY EXPERIENCED AND FARTHER INTO THEIR RANGE, OR EVEN TOPPED OUT ARE ADJUSTED AS WELL.
THE CITY DOES HAVE INTERNAL CHECKS AND BALANCES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE REMAINING INTERNALLY EQUITABLE.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE EXTERNAL MARKET AND OUR INTERNAL EQUITY.
THE ADJUSTMENT AMOUNTS VARY BASED ON THEIR POSITION MOVEMENT IN THE MARKET.
A MERIT OCCURS WHEN AN EMPLOYEE RECEIVES A COMPENSATION ADJUSTMENT BASED ON THEIR ELIGIBILITY, AND THE AMOUNT RECEIVED IS TYPICALLY BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE, AND ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES WOULD INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE TOPPED OUT OF THEIR PAY RANGE OR WHO RECEIVE A VALUATION RATING.
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SO I'M FILLING IN FOR OUR INTERIM, HR DIRECTOR TODAY.AND SO THIS INFORMATION HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
AS A REMINDER, TO RECAP WHAT ALLISON HAD COVERED IN THE LAST BUDGET RETREAT, WE HAVE SEEN MORE SUPPORT TOWARDS BUILDING A HEALTHY COMPENSATION STRUCTURE, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AGAIN HERE TODAY.
THANKS TO MANY IN THIS ROOM, INCLUDING OUR COUNCIL, OUR BUDGET TEAM AND OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
LET'S SEE. SO IN FY 22, AS A REMINDER, IT WAS REALLY A CATALYST FOR OUR NEW PAY STRUCTURE AND REPRIORITIZED OUR COMPENSATION GOALS. WE IMPLEMENTED THE PAY STRUCTURES WE HAVE TODAY, APPLIED COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENTS, AND REINSTATED THE ONGOING MERIT INCREASES THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY ONLY BEEN APPLIED THREE OF THE PAST 13 YEARS IN FISCAL YEAR 23.
THAT'S WHEN OUR PAY FOR PERFORMANCE WAS IMPLEMENTED.
MARKET ADJUSTMENTS WERE APPLIED TO ALL PAY RANGES AND PAY PLANS, AND THE CITY INCREASED THE STARTING WAGE TO $18 AN HOUR TO ACCOUNT FOR FLAGSTAFF'S MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.
LOOKING AHEAD, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS MOMENTUM AND CONTINUE INVESTING IN OUR EMPLOYEES BY CONTINUING THE PAY FOR PERFORMANCE MERIT INCREASES, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
CONSIDERING CITYWIDE MARKET ADJUSTMENTS WHICH SUPPORT THE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
IT SUPPORTS US MAINTAINING OUR COMPETITIVE STARTING WAGE, AND IT FOCUSES ON ADJUSTING POSITIONS THAT ARE FARTHEST THAT ARE IN MRS ON ADJUSTING POSITIONS TO THEIR FAIR MARKET VALUE. MARKET BASED PAY HAS SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS TO OUR ORGANIZATIONS.
MARKET BASED ADJUSTMENTS RELY ON THE EXTERNAL DATA, WHICH HELPS US SET COMPETITIVE SALARY RANGES.
KNOWING THAT THEIR COMPENSATION IS IN LINE WITH THE MARKET STANDARDS CAN MOTIVATE EMPLOYEES.
IT'S AN OBJECTIVE DECISION MAKING TOOL.
MARKET BASED PAY RELIES ON EXTERNAL DATA, REDUCING THE BIAS AND COMPENSATION DECISIONS.
AND CONTINUING OUR AIR FUND FOR AIR.
MARKET. THE AIR TEAM HAS ESTABLISHED A PROCESS TO IDENTIFY BELOW MARKET POSITIONS, WHICH DOES INCLUDE THE DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT POSITIONS AND REGULAR MARKET REVIEWS.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS MARKET ADJUSTMENT BUDGET.
THEN FINALLY CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENTS, THE COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENTS IN FY 22 AND 23 WERE ONLY A PARTIAL CORRECTION IN FY 22, NO EMPLOYEE AT OR ABOVE THE MIDPOINT OF THEIR RANGE RECEIVED AN ADJUSTMENT, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE OR TENURE THEY HAD, AND SOME EMPLOYEES HAVEN'T HAD A POSITION CHANGE SINCE THE NEW PAY STRUCTURE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE COMPENSATION POLICY POLICIES.
AT THE LAST SLIDE REFLECTS SOME COSTS.
BASED ON OUR INTERNAL MARKET REVIEWS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THESE PRIORITIES WILL BE FUNDED.
HOWEVER, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THIS PLAN ON THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST.
GIVEN THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE RECEIVED ON THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY, THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS WE SEE FALLING BEHIND THE MARKET, THE CONTINUED RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION CHALLENGES, AND MAINTAINING THE FOCUS ON EMPLOYEE INVESTMENT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS OF LEADERSHIP FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
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MORNING. MAYOR, COUNCIL.EVERYBODY'S DOING GOOD TODAY. WE DREW THE SHORT STRAW TODAY TO GO BEFORE LUNCH.
SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH US, WE ONLY HAVE 45 SLIDES AND.
SETH GREGOR JERUTASTIC WITH AEK.
WE, ME AND HIM WERE REFLECTING THIS EARLIER.
HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN DOING IT? 12 PLUS YEARS ON AEK.
AND JUST FOR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
WE'VE SEEN SOME ROUGH YEARS IN THE PAST, AND WE'VE REALLY BENEFITED FROM ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT STAFF, SUPPORT FOR THE COMMITMENT TO COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
AND HOPEFULLY JUST CONTINUE IT FORWARD, AS JESSICA AND RANDY HAVE SHOWN.
SO, I'M JUST GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
I GUESS I HAVE THIS STAGE REAL QUICK.
I KIND OF FOUND MY NICHE AND MY PASSION WITH THE COMPENSATION SIDE, SO I'M TRULY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
THAT'S BEEN MY DEDICATION FOR AT LEAST THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
THERE IS JUST SOME OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN STILL GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN THOSE AREAS.
ONE OF THE MAIN THING IS THAT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THOSE TERMS BEFORE.
I KNOW I SAID THEM LAST YEAR TO YOU GUYS.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LENS WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FROM HIS PRESENTATION REALLY HIGHLIGHTED THAT WITH THEIR NUMBERS THEY'RE SHOWING, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULTY BRINGING IN SOME OF THAT HIGHER TALENT TO THOSE POSITIONS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DECLINING THEM.
SOME OF IT'S FINANCIAL REASONS.
YOU NOTED VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE.
WE CAN'T ADJUST THAT AS A CITY, I GET IT.
HOUSING COSTS ARE GOING TO DO WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.
WE SAW THAT ABOUT WORKLOAD MANAGEMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THAT HEALTHY WORK LIFE BALANCE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO START LEAVING TO OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE GOING TO PAY THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE AND OFFER THEM A LOT LOWER WORKLOAD WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT AND HANG OUT WITH THEIR FAMILY AND JUST HAVE THAT GOOD WORK LIFE BALANCE.
SO A LOT OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO COME FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO JUST KIND OF SETTING THE STAGE AND WE'LL KIND OF HIT ON IT.
SO THE PROCESS OF HOW THIS WORKED IN EAC IS, WE KIND OF GOT A LATE START TO THE PRIORITIES COMING OUT OF THAT, BUT WE DID COME TO A GOOD LIST THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SURPRISE TO ALL OF YOU.
AND IT REALLY SUPPORTS WHAT JESSICA JUST MENTIONED.
BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST SEAMLESS PROCESSES THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN EAC.
AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS, NOT A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
AND IT, IT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS VERY SMOOTH.
AND JARED WILL DIG INTO SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND. AND BEING ABLE TO INCREASE THAT BUDGET SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS AS THE MARKET CHANGES, THE COST SHARING ON THE MEDICAL ADDRESSED BY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, 1.5% IS THE LOWEST I'VE SEEN.
I THINK LAST YEAR WAS OVER 5%.
AND, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THROUGH WHAT YOU ALREADY SAW THE TWO HOLIDAYS.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PARENTAL LEAVE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT RETENTION WHEN PEOPLE ARE HAVING THESE, DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATIONS. SO ON THE PAY FOR PERFORMANCE, I WORKED HERE THROUGH THE WHOLE TEN YEARS OF 2008, 2018 WHERE WE HAD ZERO INCREASES.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS DON'T HELP.
DON'T KEEP UP WITH INFLATION, CPI, ANY OF THAT STUFF.
SO WE CAN'T ITERATE ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS FOR YOU GUYS TO PUT THAT INTO OUR BUDGET.
IT'S IN THERE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
THAT IS HUGE FOUNDATION FOR US TO BUILD ON.
WITHOUT THAT, WE COULDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF COMPENSATION PLAN THAT WOULD STAND UP TO ANYTHING.
THANK YOU FOR THE CONTINUATION ON THAT.
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WE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE.THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT LENS, SEE WHAT THOSE COMPETITIVE AGENCIES ARE PAYING OUR PEOPLE AND WHEN THEY TAKE IT FROM US, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN RECRUIT AT THAT LEVEL, LOOKING INTO THE FACT OF WHAT OUR COST OF LIVING INDEX IS, AND GREG'S NOT HERE, BUT HE RECOGNIZED HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, AND HE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE JUST FOR COMPENSATION.
SO THERE'S A SPECIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE LOOKING INTO THIS, TRYING TO GET CREATIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS.
WE MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO OUR NUMBER COMING IN AT JUST $700,000.
WE SEE THAT'S A LOT LOWER NUMBER THAN THE 4.5 WE HAD LAST YEAR.
WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY DOING THAT MARKET.
IF MONEY ALLOWS FOR THE OTHER STUFF, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES IN.
WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL'S ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THOSE TWO HOLIDAYS.
IF THE MONEY'S THERE AND THEY WANT TO DO IT, GREAT.
IF NOT, WE WE CAN LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT MONEY'S TIGHT AND OTHER PRIORITIES COME UP.
SAME WITH THAT PARENTAL LEAVE.
WE'LL GET INTO THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE THOUGH OR TWO SLIDES.
SORRY. AND THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF A RANKED LIST RIGHT HERE.
YEAH. NUMBER ONE MARKET TWO WOULD BE THE MEDICAL WHICH AGAIN IS ALREADY FUNDED THREE HOLIDAYS.
FOUR WOULD BE THAT PARENTAL LEAVE.
AND WE KNOW THE HOLIDAYS WOULD BE IT'S WE SUPPORT IT.
IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS BECAUSE ALL OF YOU ARE DRIVING THAT.
AND THAT'S THE TRUST YOU GUYS ARE ALL THAT.
YEAH. AND THAT ONE DOES BENEFIT THE GROUP AS WELL.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER ONE VOICE CONCERN BY EMPLOYEES.
EVERYONE SEEN IT. INFLATION GOES UP.
OTHER AREAS HAVE HAD VERY, VERY SHARP INCREASES IN THEIR PAY.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FUNDED HEALTHY ENOUGH TO DO HIT THAT 25% MARK.
AND IF THERE IS A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, MAYBE ADDRESS IT.
THEY'RE FINDING IS SOME OF THE STUDIES SHOW THAT CERTAIN POSITIONS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND MARKET.
SOME MIGHT BE 2,025%, SOME MIGHT BE 5%.
WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT FROM A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO FIGURE OUT WHERE CAN THIS LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY BEST BE PLACED TO ADDRESS THAT, TO KIND OF HELP TEAM FLAGSTAFF COME BACK TOGETHER, FILL THOSE VACANCIES, RETAIN ALL OUR HIGH TALENT, AND THEN FROM THERE, HOPEFULLY THEN MOVE ON AS A GROUP.
WE HAVE SEEN JUST KIND OF AS A SOCIETY IN GENERAL, THEY'VE HIGHLIGHTED THIS, WHICH WE AGREE WITH.
JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS. WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE FOUR WEEKS, WHICH A LONG TIME WE HAD ZERO.
SO THE INCREASE TO FOUR IS A LARGE INCREASE.
WE ARE BY NO MEANS SAYING YES, ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO 12 WEEKS RIGHT NOW.
JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A REFERENCE TO IT.
THERE ARE OTHER AGENCIES THAT DO IT.
WE WOULD SUPPORT AN INCREASE IF THE FUNDS ARE THERE TO SOMETHING GREATER THAN FOUR.
IF IT CAN'T HAPPEN NOW, THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A FUTURE ITEM WE CAN COME BACK TO.
BUT AGAIN, IT HELPS THAT WORK LIFE BALANCE HELPS THAT BONDING.
SORRY TO DISAPPOINT. ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT THERE BEFORE WE DON'T MOVE ON, BECAUSE THAT'S IT.
OH. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, PARENTAL LEAVE ISN'T JUST MATERNAL.
IF YOU HAVE A CHILD, THERE'S CERTAIN PARAMETERS IN IT.
BUT. YEAH. FATHER, MOTHER AND YOUR CITY EMPLOYEE.
THEN IT WOULD BE A CITY FUNDED.
THIS DOESN'T GO INTO FMLA WHERE THEY HAVE TO ALLOW YOU TO USE YOUR OWN TIME FOR UP TO 12 WEEKS.
THAT'S WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE DOING.
THAT IS CITY PAID TIME, AND YOU CAN STILL USE YOUR TIME FOR THE REST OF THOSE 12 WEEKS.
SO VACATION COMP TIME, SICK TIME, WHATEVER YOU HAVE ACCRUED AS AN EMPLOYEE.
FEELING. JUST. I'M STARTING TO THINK OUT LOUD.
IS IS THERE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RESENTMENT OR.
JEALOUSY IS PROBABLY TOO STRONG A TERM, FOR EMPLOYEES THAT AREN'T PARENTS OR WILL NEVER BE PARENTS, TOWARDS THIS KIND OF WORK.
IS IT IS IT IS IT? THIS THING IS NOT FAIR AND BALANCED, I DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OUT THERE.
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IT TURNED OUT TO BE AS LONG AS YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR ALL OF THE FAMILIES PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE.IF YOU GUYS SAW ON THAT SLIDE, IT'S STILL PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN NOW THEY'RE GETTING A BENEFIT THAT I'M NOT ALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A FAMILY OR KIDS.
SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
THAT HAS BEEN TALKED AT AT EAC, BUT THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GOT TO BALANCE.
AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT ONE OF THOSE CRITICS I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT.
I APPRECIATE APPRECIATE THAT PART OF THAT DID THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON THAT AS FAR AS WHEN WE WERE RANKING THEM, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT EFFECT DID THE MOST PEOPLE AND THAT ONE. THAT'S WHY THAT ONE POSSIBLY COULD HAVE WENT DOWN.
BUT IT CAME DOWN TO THE PRIORITY THAT AFFECTED THE MOST PEOPLE, WHICH IS MARKET.
HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION OF LEAVE FOR, DEALING WITH AGING PARENTS? DOES THAT COME UNDER FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE? I DON'T KNOW SOMEONE FMLA DOES OKAY IF A PARENT HAS A SICKNESS BUT NOT PAID BY THE CITY, NOT CITY TIME.
CORRECT QUALIFYING EVENT UNDER THAT.
YOU GUYS MENTIONED MARKETS AND I TOTALLY FORGOT AND SKIPPED OVER.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING MARKET.
JESSICA HIT IT, BUT IT WAS REAL, REAL SLIGHT.
IT HITS EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITHIN THAT PLAN.
SO YOU'RE TALKING TO VERY STARTING PEOPLE ALL THE WAY TO TOP DOWN.
LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T TOUCH TOPPED OUT PEOPLE, WHICH I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH.
WE CAN'T STAY COMPETITIVE WITH IT.
THEY MIGHT BE THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW IT'S WORTH IT.
IT'S WORTH IT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE WORTH, TO GO DOWN TO PHOENIX OR CHANGE JOBS BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY HIT TOPPED OUT PEOPLE.
WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE HOLISTIC APPROACH WHERE THAT MARKET WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT HITS THE BOTTOM END, PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE TOP END AND CREATES THAT HEALTHY COMPENSATION PLAN THROUGHOUT.
OH. AFTER SPENDING 30 YEARS IN INDUSTRY AT DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
I KIND OF. USE THAT AS A REFERENCE POINT OF WHAT I THINK IS REASONABLE.
THEY GAVE ZERO TIME OFF FOR THE FATHERS.
I WAS A MANAGER, SO I USUALLY JUST SAY TAKE A COUPLE DAYS OFF.
AND I THINK TO WOMEN, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK THEY GOT LIKE TWO WEEKS OFF OR SOMETHING.
SO TO ME, FOUR WEEKS SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH.
A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM JUST COMPARABLE CITIES.
YEAH, THAT'S SOME CONTEXT TOO.
AEK ITSELF DID NOT SAY, HEY, WE NEED FIVE WEEKS, WE NEED SEVEN WEEKS, WE NEED THIS.
IT WAS PURELY WE GATHERED DATA TO SEE WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE OFFERING.
AND AS THE KIND OF CULTURE HAS CHANGED ON HOW THEY VIEW IT, THIS IS NOW PART OF THE BENEFIT PACKAGE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE APPLYING FOR NOW STATE OF ARIZONA FEDERAL JOBS, THIS IS PART OF THEIR COMPENSATION PACKET.
THAT'S MORE OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK ON THAT, IT'S JUST EXPANDING IT TO SOMETHING NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IS AS A RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION TOOL IF POSSIBLE.
SAY ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE PHILOSOPHICAL.
AND IT GOES CONTRARY TO THE ONE I JUST MENTIONED.
AND HERE'S WHAT I FIGURED OUT.
WE HAD TO DO TWO THINGS, AND MY EMPLOYEES DID EVERYTHING ELSE.
I HAD TO HIRE THE BEST PEOPLE AVAILABLE AND I HAD TO KEEP THEM HAPPY.
ABSOLUTELY. SO PHILOSOPHICALLY, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD IS AT.
WE NEED TO TREAT THE EMPLOYEES WELL.
AND AS FAR AS EVERY LITTLE DETAIL OF ALL THESE OPTIONS WE WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT, I THINK I'M RECEPTIVE TO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER MIGHT RECOMMEND AND WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE MIGHT RECOMMEND.
BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, HIRE THE BEST PEOPLE, KEEP THEM HAPPY.
AND SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF SORRY ABOUT THAT.
A LOT OF THESE ARE REINFORCED BY THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY AS WELL.
OKAY. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. TRYING TO HAND UP FIRST.
GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO, I'M GONNA TAKE SOME LIBERTY AND BE PHILOSOPHICAL, TOO.
SO I HEAR US SAYING, THAT THE HOUSING ISSUE, IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN.
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WE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.WELL, I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT AND ASK, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO FOR EMPLOYEES? SO EXAMPLE, WHEN I CAME HERE 30 YEARS AGO, YOU OFFERED ME ON CAMPUS HOUSING.
I STAYED IN THAT APARTMENT WITH A 13 YEAR OLD FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS.
BY THE TIME I LEFT, I WAS ABLE TO GET INTO A PLACE.
OKAY, SO I THINK THAT MAYBE WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT CREATIVELY ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS THAT.
AND THIS IS A STERLING KIND OF A THING, AND THIS IS A CITY MANAGER KIND OF THING.
BUT I WONDER IF, IF WE JUST DID A HOUSING BOND.
YOU KNOW. SO I WONDER, WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSING BOND? WHAT ABOUT Y'ALL? WHAT ABOUT Y'ALL? WHOEVER ELSE? HAVE WE EVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT COMING TOGETHER AND TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX ABOUT HOW WE COULD FIX THIS, OR AT LEAST HELP? NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE.
MAYBE WE DO, BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT LEGALLY AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, GIFT CLAUSE AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF GOOD STUFF, BUT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST WORTH IT TO EXPLORE. WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO? IS LOOKING AT THAT, SCHOOL DISTRICT IS LOOKING INTO THAT.
YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, PRESCOTT? WHAT CAN WE. SO I DON'T WANT US TO KEEP SAYING NO, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
STERLING, CAN WE DO THAT? IS THAT ILLEGAL? DOES IT GET US IN TROUBLE? AND HE'S GOING TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S CREATIVE. YAY! WHOO HOO! YEAH! I APOLOGIZE REAL QUICK TO MY COMMENT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT. OH WE DON'T WORKFORCE HOUSING STANDPOINT.
ABSOLUTELY. AND THIS IS SPEAKING OUTSIDE OF EKE.
MORE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE.
WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY ASKED ABOUT THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE FIVE PEOPLE OR THE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WE LOST? YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT WAS BECAUSE OF OF, YOU KNOW, EXPENSES AND THEN THE OTHER FIVE RIGHT AWAY.
ANYWAY, SO THAT'S MY LITTLE TIRADE.
JARED IS PERFECTLY RIGHT ABOUT THE MARKET.
WE CAN'T CONTROL IT. WE DON'T CONTROL IT.
IF WE TRY TO, WE'D BE IN ALL SORTS OF TROUBLE.
ON THE EMPLOYEE ASSISTED HOUSING SIDE.
HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE THINGS? ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE AN EMPLOYER ASSISTED HOME.
I KNOW, I KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.
STARTED IN A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE TRIED SOME THINGS OUT, SOME THINGS WORKED, SOME THINGS DIDN'T.
ARE WE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT, THAT THOSE NEEDS ARE GREATER THAN HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE, THAT THOSE NEEDS ARE EMPLOYEES COMING IN? I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S EVERY TIME MUSSELMAN SEES ME, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS AT LEAST 80% OF THE TIME, WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR EVEN JUST DORMS FOR POLICE RECRUITS.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT IF WE HAD, PROS BROUGHT FORWARD? THORPE PARK PARCEL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY PUBLIC WORKS.
IT HAD SOME LIMITED EMPLOYER ASSISTED HOUSING ON THEIR UNITS THAT WE COULD HAVE USED THIS WAY.
IT WASN'T APPROVED FOR THAT TO BE ON THERE.
SO WE'VE WE'VE WE'RE MAKING FORAYS WHERE WE CAN.
AND WHEN WE GET DOWN TO, THE, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION OF IS THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE INVESTING FUNDS IN THE COMMUNITY? ARE WE INVESTING FUNDS IN OUR OWN EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET SITUATION? MR. CHATTER REIGNED ON EARLIER TODAY.
THOSE ARE REALLY HARD CONVERSATIONS.
HAVE WE TALKED TO LEGAL? WE HAVE. HAVE WE LOOKED FOR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES? WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS? IT'S NOT A SUPER EASY NUT TO CRACK.
HAVING SUPPORT FROM OUR ELECTED BODIES CERTAINLY HELPS.
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AND THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT.SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE HAVE IDEAS.
WE ALSO HAVE A SUPER LATE ALREADY.
I KNOW THAT, AND I'M GOING TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
THEY CONTINUE EVERY YEAR TO COME BACK HERE.
AND AND OUR STAFF WILL STAND UP HERE FEELING LIKE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
I MEAN, AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOTTA HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST I IT'S IT'S AND PLEASE DON'T HEAR THIS AS DUMPING ON ANYBODY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. PLEASE HEAR THIS AS BEING FRUSTRATED THAT WE'RE LOSING GOOD TALENT FOR SOMETHING MAYBE THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT.
STERLING IS AN AMAZING, CREATIVE PERSON.
I KNOW HE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT AND USEFUL.
CAST. STERLING. IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU, YOU KNOW? SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY THING IS THAT WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.
ASK ANYTHING AND GIVE IT A REVIEW.
WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.
GIVE IT A REVIEW FROM. SO ANYWAY, I'M.
THANK YOU. I'M GONNA STOP THERE BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE TIRED OF HEARING ME WHINE.
THANK YOU. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
DID YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT? I THINK HELPS THE CONVERSATION.
IT ALLOWS SOME VERY LIMITED HOUSING.
SO THIS WAS A STRATEGY IDENTIFIED IN THE TEN YEAR HOUSING PLAN.
SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT AMENDMENT FORWARD.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER BARRIER GETTING US CLOSER.
BUT I DO THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THE COST.
JUST GETTING THE RESOURCES TO BUILD SOME EMPLOYEE HOUSING FOR FLAGSTAFF EMPLOYEES.
LAST COMMENT AND THEN I'LL STOP AND LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK.
WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS? I KNOW THAT THE STATE IS THAT I KNOW NOW.
DID IT STATE HOW DID THEY GET TO DO IT? AND WE CAN'T. YEAH.
TIMES, MAYBE NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT DAN SAID REALLY QUICK, PLEASE.
IS THE BULK OF THIS THE LAND THE CITY OWNS? BUT I WANT TO BE SUPER CLEAR THAT HOUSING, PARKS, FACILITIES, WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE KNOW THAT HOUSING IS NOT LAND GRABBING.
WE KNOW PIECES WERE ACQUIRED FOR PARKS, WERE PROMISED, PARKS PLANS ARE UNDERWAY, ETC.
SO WE'RE NOT THINKING WE'RE PUTTING HOUSING ON EVERYTHING.
WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE, WOULD WE DO A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR NEW EMPLOYEES? ONE OF OUR PRIVATE EMPLOYERS IN TOWN HAS A DECREASING SUBSIDY.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS.
HOW COULD WE DO THOSE? WHAT WOULD THEY LOOK LIKE? WOULD IT ONLY BE FOR CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS? WOULD IT ONLY BE FOR EMPLOYEES AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYEES? I'M GONNA CALL MR. PAUL MOOD OUT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I KNOW HE HAS STRUGGLED IN FINDING A HOME TO PURCHASE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M NOT IN CHARGE, BUT YOU CAN BE IN CHARGE.
DAN ANSWERED PART OF IT BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS ON WHAT RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE WITH CITY OWNED LAND.
IN. HOUSING UNITS FOR THE PUBLIC VERSUS EMPLOYEE HOUSING.
AND I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION MANY MOONS AGO WITH HE'S MUSSELMAN, ABOUT THAT PARCEL OF LAND TURNING OFF LAKE MARY ONTO J.W.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND, AND BRAINSTORMING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WERE AT JOJO'S PLACE AND, THAT'D BE GREAT FOR, YOU KNOW, NEW RECRUITS, NEW HIRES TO REHAB.
TILESETS. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OUT OF THE BOX THINKING, BUT DEFINITELY, I'M HOPING I KNOW EVERYBODY PUTS IN A REQUEST FOR FTE. AND I THINK WE KIND OF, CAME IN SHORT ON HOUSING, AND I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL
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BE, BUT I, FOR ONE, DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT, THAT STAFFING LIMITATIONS ARE THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD OUR HOUSING CRISIS, BECAUSE IT'S A CRISIS AND EVERYBODY'S IMPACTED.SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU'RE HEARING ME, THAT NOW'S THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, NEXT YEAR I'LL PUT IN FOR ANOTHER FTE AND STUFF.
AND I'M SAYING WE I'M ASSUMING.
AND WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THE HOUSING ISSUE.
AND, IT AFFECTS EVERY ASPECT OF OUR CITY AND THE HEALTH OF OUR CITY.
AND SO, HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SARAH, WHAT ABOUT THIS? YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN TELL US WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW WE DO HAVE A PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNER THAT HAS STARTED AN EMPLOYEE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, AND I HOPE WE CAN LEARN FROM THAT AND EXPAND FROM THAT, BECAUSE HE COULD DO IT TO GET ME PEOPLE TO DO IT.
AND I HAVE A SLIDE COMING UP AFTER LUNCH WHERE I'M GOING TO GO NOW.
BUT I WAS LIKE. OF YOUR SLIDES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US, ANY OF THE AEAC QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. YEAH.
THIS IS, CHANGING TOPIC A LITTLE BIT.
JUST TRYING TO COVER ALL THE BASES, THINKING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE.
AND I'M GOING BACK IN TIME HERE AND PUTTING ON MY FIRST RESPONDER HAT.
SO MAYBE THIS IS THIS QUESTION IS BIASED TOWARDS POLICE FIRE.
YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING YOUR OWN, GYM, YOUR OWN REC FACILITY, PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THAT UNIVERSE OF EXTRAS IS GETTING OUT OF THE EAC, ROLLING INTO FIRE.
I CAN SPEAK TOWARD, I THINK ONE THING THAT I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS A TRAINING FACILITY THAT COMES WITH STORAGE, KIND OF AN UP TO DATE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WAS.
BUT WE'RE ALSO RUNNING INTO, STORAGE ISSUES WITH OUR APPARATUS.
OUR OUR APPARATUS BAYS ARE FULL, AND WHEN WE GET ONE MORE OF OUR LADDER TRUCKS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT IT.
AND THEN IT JUST COMES DOWN TO BODIES TO A LOT OF THAT.
IS IS BODIES OPENING UP? ANOTHER UNIT TO JUST ACCOUNT FOR THE CALL INCREASE.
ON THE FIREHOUSE. WELL, NOT NECESSARILY A FIREHOUSE, BECAUSE THAT ONE'S COMING.
HOPEFULLY DOWN THE ROAD DOWN JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
BUT JUST JUST ONE TO COVER THE DEMAND ON MILTON IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE HAVE A SPACE FOR OUR NEW LADDER TRUCK.
AND, CHIEF WILSON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
AS OF IF WE GET IT, GET THAT NEW LADDER TRUCK, WE WE DON'T HAVE A SPACE TO PUT IT.
OKAY. MY HOUSE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE FIRE SIDE.
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WE CURRENTLY ARE IN NEED, DEFINITELY HAVE A LARGER GYM.WE HAVE OUR BOMB AND SWAT TRUCK.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PLACE THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE AREAS TO DO THAT.
WE NOW HAVE A NEW COMMAND VEHICLE.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S MONEY THERE, HOPEFULLY SUPPORT, BUT IT WOULD ADDRESS ALL OF THAT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT'S ALL IN IT, BUT THAT'D BE A HUGE THING FOR US.
AND THEN EQUIPMENT IN GENERAL, OUR FLEET IS REALLY, REALLY ROUGH.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CITYWIDE.
SOME ISSUES WITH TRYING TO GET SOME VEHICLES.
BUT WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY AGING FLEET, NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
A LOT OF THE REPAIRS, A LOT OF THOSE VEHICLE COSTS, ALL THAT STUFF'S GOING UP.
SO MORE FUNDS COULD BE ONE TIME, COULD BE OTHER THINGS.
BUT GOING TOWARDS THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY HELP FOR SURE.
GREAT. SO JUST A FINISHING COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL LIVED EXPERIENCE AND MY INSTINCT TELLS ME THAT THOSE THOSE THINGS MATTER A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING AND RECRUITING, NEW FOLKS. THAT FEELING THAT INVESTMENT, NOT JUST IN PERSONNEL, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS, IS PARAMOUNT AND MOST IMPORTANT AND EXISTENTIAL, BUT THAT NEXT TIER OF, OF, BEING PHYSICALLY OUTFITTED PROPERLY AND WITH LATEST TECHNOLOGY, SOME BELLS AND WHISTLES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND JUST, JUST FEELING LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PART OF SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE CUTTING EDGE, IS IT'S AN INTANGIBLE IN A WAY, BUT IT'S IT IT CAN COUNT FOR A LOT IN TERMS OF MORALE AND EXCITEMENT FOR THE JOB.
BUT, WE'RE SEEING SENIOR PEOPLE LIVE DOWN THERE.
I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT, MY MOM RIGHT NOW IS IN THE COTTONWOOD HOSPITAL IN HER HOSPITALIST FROM, MESA, AND HE COMES UP A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK TO THE HOSPITAL.
SO YEAH, THAT DOESN'T HELP ANY OF OUR GOALS.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, BUT I WANT TO MAKE A REAL QUICK COMMENT.
I THINK THAT CHANGES TO OUR ZONING CODE COULD MORE IMPACT ON THE PRICE OF HOUSING.
AND I KNOW THAT MICHELLE MCNULTY AND HER GROUP ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
WELL IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING WE UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S DEFINITELY OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
WE'RE WE'RE WAY AHEAD AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE LUNCH SCHEDULED FOR 1215.
FOLLOWED THAT LUNCH IS ON THE WAY.
IT'S BEING SET UP. SO IF WE COULD GET TEN MINUTES.
TAKE US DOWN ANOTHER RABBIT HOLE.
OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
AS LONG AS IT ONLY TAKES SEVEN OF THE TEN MINUTES, WE CAN DO THAT, OKAY? BECAUSE WE KNOW IF YOU GET SEVEN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TEN.
ANY ANY OTHER ISSUES? I MEAN, THIS IS GREAT DIALOG, THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING AND I REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT OUT THERE WHETHER OR NOT, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT. RIGHT, IT SEEMS TO BE A BIG DEAL.
WE ALL HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT IT.
WE ALL HAVE A PERSONAL STORY ATTACHED TO IT AS WELL.
SOMEONE WHO JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, THAT'S REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE OF THAT ISSUE.
SO I THINK CONTINUING KEEPING THAT DIALOG GOING IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVENTUALLY, AS COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS SAID, WE'RE GOING TO START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF JUST CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT GETS TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
SO, I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE.
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ANYBODY WANTS TO GET OFF THEIR CHEST OR SOMETHING.YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
DO YOU REMEMBER? WAS ANYBODY ON COUNCIL THAT REMEMBERS THAT I WAS THERE? I REMEMBER, YEAH.
I WAS LIKE, OH, NO, DON'T GO THERE.
YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SIGN YOU UP TO PROVIDE THE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT, YOU'RE ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I DID PICK UP IN THE DIALOG AND IT ALMOST GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THAT FUND THAT WE HAD EARLIER.
AND THAT'S REALLY GETTING TO KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, OKAY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN REALLY SERVE A COMMUNITY, WHATEVER IT IS.
OKAY, IF YOU'RE ONLY ALWAYS LOOKING AT BEHAVIORS AND ATTITUDES AND WHATNOT.
YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES ARE IMPORTANT.
BUT AND I WAS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH, WITH, WITH MARK GAYLOR JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND, AND WE WERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE BEGIN TO SEE PEOPLE FOR THEIR WOUNDS AND NOT JUST THEIR BEHAVIORS, WE REALLY CAN'T GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF MAYBE WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE.
OKAY. AND ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DO HERE? I'M SURE WE WERE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT, TOO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO A BETTER JOB AT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING PAST THE BEHAVIOR, LOOKING PAST WHAT'S GOING ON? SO LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, CHIEF MUSSELMAN, YOUR YOUR DEPARTMENT.
OKAY. SO SOLDIERS, NURSES, FIREMEN.
OKAY. IF THE BUILDING'S ON FIRE.
THEY MAY STOP TO ASK WHY THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE, BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY OF THE HEROES THAT ARE GOING IN TO SAVE LIVES, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T ASK THE QUESTION AS TO IS YOUR HOUSE ON FIRE BECAUSE YOU'RE A CRACK HOUSE AND YOU BLEW UP THE HOUSE? NO. THEY JUST GO IN AND SAVE PEOPLE AND RESCUE PEOPLE.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL.
TAKE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT FROM THAT EXERCISE.
YOUR POLICE OFFICERS THE SAME WAY.
BUT WHEN LIVES NEED TO BE SAVED, WHEN PEOPLE NEED TO BE PROTECTED, WHEN WE NEED TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AS TO WHY A PARTICULAR CONDITION EXISTS, WE NEED TO HEAL THE WOUND FIRST.
SERVE THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IS HERE.
THAT'S THAT'S WHY I LOVE BEING INVOLVED WITH THIS GROUP.
WANT TO HELP PEOPLE, RIGHT? YES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL IN THE ROOM.
SO SO LET'S MAKE A POINT OF THAT.
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH THAT.
BECAUSE, LISTEN, I'M A PASTOR AND YOU KNOW WHAT? NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ME PREACH WHEN THEY'RE STARVING, WHEN THEY'RE HUNGRY, WHEN THEY'RE WHATEVER.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO LET YOU GO TO LUNCH NOW.
SO I DON'T START PREACHING BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO EAT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE'S THERE'S A NEED THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
ONCE WE ADDRESS THAT NEED, THEY'LL LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
ALL RIGHT. AMEN, GUYS, GO TO LUNCH.
THAT'S GOING TO I'M GOING TO KEEP US ABOUT TEN MINUTES AHEAD.
EIGHT MINUTES AHEAD AS OF RIGHT NOW.
DID EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD LUNCH? HEY, NOBODY HAD A CHANCE TO GET OUT, TAKE A WALK, STRETCH EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO. OKAY, WHILE YOU'RE OUT, GUYS, I CAN'T TELL.
ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND KICK THINGS BACK OFF.
GREG CLIFTON, YOU'RE UP FOR REFRESHER FOR COUNCIL STAFF RELATIONS.
THANK YOU. WHAT WHAT WHAT? THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S LIKE NOTHING.
IT'S A NEXT PRESENTATION IS ONE THAT WE ROLL OUT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE DO UPDATE IT AND IT'S NEVER STALE.
IT'S ALWAYS, RELEVANT AND TIMELY.
IT'S A BIT OF A REFRESHER, BUT, IT'S INTENDED IN PART TO EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS, AND IT'S INTENDED TO SPARK SOME ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSION. LET'S LET THAT HAPPEN.
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POLICY. THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL RESIDES.THIS IS THE BULK OF THE ORGANIZATION WHERE WE IMPLEMENT POLICIES THAT COUNCIL DECIDES.
THAT'S, HOW IT ONCE WAS VIEWED.
BUT WE ALL KNOW IT'S, REALLY OUTDATED AND NOT THAT MUCH APPLICABLE ANYMORE.
THERE IS NO, SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
RATHER IS AN OVERLAP AND PROBABLY MORE OVERLAP THAN IS DEPICTED IN THIS MODEL.
THAT IS TO SAY, THE POLICY MAKERS PASTE THEIR POLICIES A LOT ON INFORMATION PROVIDED BY ADMINISTRATION STAFF. WE DO THIS EVERY TUESDAY.
EVERY TUESDAY. WE HAVE A GREAT ILLUSTRATIONS OF THAT.
AND IT ALSO SAY THAT OUR ELECTED BODY HAS INVOLVEMENT IN WHAT WE DO ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SEE THAT IN PLAY ALL THE TIME.
IN FACT, IF YOU THINK IT THROUGH.
PARDON ME. THERE ARE PROBABLY FEW INSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT THAT INTEGRATION.
THIS IS THE MODEL THAT IS HAS BEEN MORE APPLICABLE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS, ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS, MUCH MORE OF AN INTEGRATION OF LEGAL, INVOLVEMENT IN BOTH POLICY AND ADMINISTRATION.
STERLING'S TEAM, HOW MANY ATTORNEYS DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR TEAM ADMINISTRATIVELY? FIVE. WELL, SIX WITH ME, SIX WITH YOU, SIX ATTORNEYS.
ALMOST ALWAYS, WE HAVE ATTORNEYS AT THE TABLE.
STERLING HAS FRONT ROW SEATS EVERY TUESDAY AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
AND OTHER ATTORNEYS COME UP AND SPEAK ON VARIOUS MATTERS.
ALMOST ALWAYS THERE IS LEGAL, INPUT INTO THE PROCESSES AND THE POLICY MAKING FUNCTIONS.
MOST OF THE TIMES THAT HAPPENS, OPENLY.
AND THEN THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHERE IT HAPPENS, PURSUANT TO CONFIDENTIAL ADVISEMENT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S A STRONG LEGAL COMPONENT AND ALL WE DO, AND THERE HAS TO BE, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A LITIGIOUS SOCIETY, AND WE FOLLOW RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE EMBODIED IN LAWS AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.
AND IF YOU THINK THROUGH NOW THE POLICY, ADMINISTRATIVE AND LEGAL SPHERE, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO THINK OF ANYTHING THAT FALLS NEATLY OUTSIDE OF THAT.
GRAYSON IN THE VENN DIAGRAM OUTSIDE OF THE OVERLAP.
AND, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF MEETINGS INVOLVING SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS.
WE WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS, BUT THAT HAS CONSUMED A LARGE PART OF YOUR TIME OF LATE.
IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE LEGAL SPHERE.
THAT'S A FUNCTION THAT, THEY EVENTUALLY FIND ITS WAY INTO THE OTHER SPHERES.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LEGAL, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. ONE EXAMPLE ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT COMES TO MIND MIGHT BE THE HIRING, PROMOTION, TERMINATING OF PERSONNEL.
A FUNCTION THAT RESIDES SQUARELY WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION DOES NOT INVOLVE CITY COUNCIL AND MOST TIMES DOES NOT INVOLVE LEGAL. SOMETIMES IT DOES.
THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT THAT DO LIE OUTSIDE OF THE INTEGRATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE POLICY MAKING.
PROCESS. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL OVERSIMPLIFICATION.
YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN INTO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MODELS.
THE ONE THAT WE SEE A LOT OF IS THE REACTIVE POLICY MAKING MODEL, WHERE WE HAVE AN ISSUE OR JUST AN INCENTIVE FOR SOMETHING FINDING ITS WAY TO THE DAIS.
AND COUNCIL BEING THE POLICY MAKERS.
AND THE REACTIVE MODEL LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
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YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL USUALLY HAVE ALTERNATIVES PROVIDED.THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS THAT HAPPEN WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL AS POLICY MAKERS.
HOUSING. YOU KNOW, THINK OF ALL THE POLICY DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO HOUSING.
WE ACTIVE LARGELY TO A HOUSING CRISIS.
PROBABLY A VERY RELEVANT AND TIMELY EXAMPLE.
POLICIES RELATED TO OUR WILDFIRE, PROGRAM, OUR WATERSHED PROTECTION PROGRAM.
SOME OF THAT PROBABLY STARTED OUT PARDON ME A LITTLE BIT MORE PREEMPTIVE.
EXCUSE ME. AND NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE REACTIVE BECAUSE OF THE CATASTROPHIC FIRES THAT WE'VE HAD. SO, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF MODELS THAT ARE FOLLOWED, THE SECOND ONE BEING MORE IN THE PROACTIVE MODE OR MODEL WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND OR SITE ON POLICY TO HELP THOSE GOALS MATERIALIZE AGAIN BEING IMPLEMENTED BY STAFF. THERE'S ALSO MANY EXAMPLES OF WHERE THIS HAS HAPPENED OF LATE.
PROACTIVELY. WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD ARGUE THAT CARBON NEUTRALITY.
NEUTRALITY IS REACTIVE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND IT IS. A LOT OF THE GOALS THAT COUNCIL HAS SET FORTH ARE REALLY GOALS.
LOOKING AHEAD. HOW WE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO FOLLOW THE VALUES THAT AND, OBJECTIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL? WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN THIS ROOM.
IT'S EMBODIED IN OUR BUDGET GOALS.
AND THEN BUDGET DECISIONS DERIVE FROM THAT.
ONE OF THE STRONGEST, MOST OBVIOUS EXAMPLES OF THE INTEGRATION BETWEEN COUNCIL AS POLICY MAKERS STAFF AS ADMINISTRATORS. LEGAL AS OUR LEGAL ADVISORS, OUR ATTORNEYS.
WHERE WE ALL COME TOGETHER IS RIGHT NOW RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM.
AND THAT'S THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND WHILE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IN THE MOST CONVENTIONAL SENSE MIGHT BE DOLLARS AND CENTS AND SPREADSHEETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
RICK TADDER IT REALLY IS MUCH MORE, SO MUCH MORE.
TO THINK ABOUT THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING TODAY, YOU KNOW, ON TOWN BUSINESS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE WILL HAVE.
IT'S MORE THAN DOLLARS AND CENTS.
WHAT'S OUT THERE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR A BUDGET IS A BIT OF LOOKING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, HOW DID WE GET HERE? WHAT HAVE WE DONE? IT'S A BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE PRESENT, AND IT'S A LOT ABOUT THE VISION OF THE FUTURE.
IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND IT'S A LOT OF POLICY.
WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS? MOST ITEMS THEN CONCERN ALL THREE SPHERES.
THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THE EXCEPTION THAN THE RULE, RIGHT? SOME EXAMPLES HERE. I MENTIONED ONE WITH LITIGATION.
I MENTIONED THE HIRING DECISIONS WITH STAFF.
WHAT ABOUT CITY COUNCIL? WHAT WHAT ARE EXAMPLES WERE COUNCIL IS ENTIRELY OPERATING IN A POLICY MAKING SPHERE WITHOUT INFLUENCE BY STAFF AND THE ATTORNEYS. NOT MANY EXAMPLES.
AND I HAD TO THINK HARD TO FIGURE A COUPLE OUT, BUT THE FLAGS AT CITY HALL MIGHT BE A GOOD EXAMPLE.
COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT FLAGS ARE DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STAFF INPUT GOING INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
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WE QUEUE IT UP FOR THE AGENDA.SOMETIMES LEGAL ADVISORS, BUT REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLITICAL SPEECH.
GOVERNMENT SPEECH THAT RESIDES ENTIRELY WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW.
PROCLAMATIONS. MAYBE A VERY SIMILAR COMMENT.
COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO A PROCLAMATION ON THIS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
COUNCIL SAYS, YEAH, WE WANT TO DO A PROCLAMATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ASSIST, BUT IT'S LARGELY A COUNCIL FUNCTION AND THERE'S A FEW OTHERS.
IT'S RESPONSIVE TO CITIZEN PETITIONS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME TO THE DAIS.
IT'S EMBODIED IN OUR CITY CHARTER.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, NOT JUST, LIVE WITH, BUT EMBRACE AS A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION.
A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES. WE ARE A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE AND.
AS PART OF THE GOVERNMENT DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT THAT WE EMBRACE.
THAT'S PART OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS IN ACTION.
SOMETIMES. THE ITEMS THAT COME IN THROUGH THE PETITION PROCESS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL NATURE, POLITICAL SPEECH, AND NOT FALL NEATLY WITHIN THE THREE SPHERES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT IS POLITICAL? ONE DEFINITION THAT I LIFTED HERE, AND IT'S ONE OF MANY, MANY, IF YOU GOOGLE IT, YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE LITANY OF DEFINITIONS.
BUT THE ONE THAT THAT IS NEATLY APPLIED HERE IS POLITICAL BEING DEFINED AS ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOVERNANCE OF A COUNTRY OR OTHER AREA, ESPECIALLY THE DEBATE OR CONFLICT AMONG INDIVIDUALS OR PARTIES HAVING OR HOPING TO ACHIEVE POWER. WANT TO PARK IT THERE FOR JUST A SECOND.
WE DON'T GET THIS TOO OFTEN, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS A HIGHLY ENGAGED COMMUNITY, WE HAVE PETITIONS COME IN, FIND THEIR WAY TO THE DAIS PURSUANT TO THIS POLICY, OR, PARDON ME, THIS PROCESS THAT WE EMBRACE, ASKING COUNCIL TO TAKE A POSITION ON THINGS THAT MAY BE DEEMED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS DEFINITION AS BEING POLITICAL.
AND THIS DOES HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME.
THE EXPLANATORY PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE TWICE OVER THE LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD.
I USE THIS AS EXAMPLES ONLY, WE HAD A PETITION FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON TOPIC OF ABORTION.
I HAVE BEEN VOCAL WITH COUNT THE COUNCIL SAYING STAFF'S NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
NOW I'M GOING TO TRY TO TIE SOME THINGS TOGETHER.
IT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE CITY STAFF.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, TWO THINGS HERE.
I'M GOING TO GO TO THE SECOND BULLET.
THE DUTY OF ENFORCING THE ORDINANCES.
PREPARATION OF AN ANNUAL BUDGET.
AND THAT IS LANGUAGE OUT OF OUR CITY CHARTER.
IT DOES NOT INVOLVE CITY BUSINESS.
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WITHIN THE BUSINESS OF CITY BUSINESS, OF WHICH WE ADMINISTER AND OVERSEE.WE DON'T WANT TO SEE RESOURCES ALLOCATED TOWARD THESE TOPICS AND STAFF TIME EQUALS EXPENDITURE OF TAX DOLLARS. SO IT'S A WAY OF SAYING.
THIS TOPIC IS RIGHTFULLY BEFORE YOU COUNCIL.
I JUST GAVE YOU AN EARFUL OF AN EXPLANATION.
I'VE NEVER FELT COMFORTABLE SAYING THESE THINGS AT THE DAIS BECAUSE, ONE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO EXPLAIN, AND TWO, I'D RATHER NOT. BUT IN A RETREAT WHERE WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMAL AND EXCHANGE SOME IDEAS HERE I WANT, I FELT COMPELLED TO EXPLAIN WHY IT IS WHEN TOPICS LIKE THIS COME TO THE DAIS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THE TOPICS, AND OF COURSE WE DO, BUT WE DON'T SHARE THEM.
IT'S MORE THAT IT'S NOT CITY BUSINESS AND THEREFORE WE, YOU KNOW, I WILL VERY, POLITELY AND PROFESSIONALLY SAY WHEN IT COMES UP. COUNCIL WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND TIME WITH THIS, BUT YOU'RE FREE TO DO WHAT YOU LIKE.
SO ONCE YOU PASS A RESOLUTION OR A PROCLAMATION OR WRITE A LETTER, NO PROBLEM.
THAT IS ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MY PERSONAL OPINION ON IT, BECAUSE THERE'S YOU MAKE SO MANY DECISIONS THAT I DON'T THINK WILL EVER BE 100%, SUPPORTED OR POPULAR IN OUR, OUR, POPULATION BASE.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, ARE RELATED TO OUR CITY AND OUR LOCAL TAXPAYERS.
MAYBE SOME OF US ARE MORE ACTIVISTS THAN OTHERS, BUT TO STEP INTO AN ARENA THAT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE THIS A SAFE CITY FOR CERTAIN ACTIONS OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE A GLOBAL.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WILL ARGUE, WELL, IT'S JUST SAYING THAT EACH CITY IS STANDING UP FOR THIS ISSUE.
BUT I JUST THINK WE HAVE SO MANY DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE.
I'M NEVER IN FAVOR, YOU KNOW, ON TOPICS LIKE THIS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN OUR, CONTROL.
WE DON'T MAKE THE LAWS ABOUT THIS.
YES, WE CAN HAVE A VOICE, BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN HAVE A VOICE.
AND I THINK THAT CITY GOVERNMENTS SHOULD STAY CITY GOVERNANCE AND STAY OUT OF STATE, NATIONAL AND GLOBAL ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'RE HOT TOPICS. AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT EMOTIONS TIED TO THOSE TWO THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE JUST GO AND ALIENATE, CITIZENS FOR NO GOOD.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MAKING LAW OR CREATING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR SOMETHING.
SO I FOR ONE, AND I'M ONE OF SEVEN, BUT I FOR ONE WISH WE WOULDN'T ENTERTAIN ISSUES THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN.
YES. I GENERALLY AGREE WITH MATTHEW HERE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHEN.
I REMEMBER WHEN WE MET WITH THE HAVASUPAI TRIBE.
THE FIRST THING THEY BROUGHT UP WAS PROTECTION OF THEIR WATER.
AS, AS IT HAD TO DO WITH, URANIUM MINING AREA.
AND WE TOOK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE TOOK A STAND ON THAT TO SUPPORT THEM.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS APPROPRIATE.
I HAD OTHER ONES THAT I DON'T THINK.
THE OTHER ONES. I READ THIS COUNCIL MEMBER TO ME.
THREE. JOY MATHEW TO MEET YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT VERY EXAMPLE IN JUST A SECOND.
OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR RAISING IT.
I'LL HOLD ON TO THAT ONE FOR A SECOND, BECAUSE IT'S A.
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AN EXAMPLE OF THE NEXT POINT I WANT TO RAISE BEFORE I LEAVE THIS ONE THOUGH.AND AGAIN, I SING A LOT OF SINGLED OUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT CLEARLY FALL WITHIN THE POLITICAL.
POLITICAL SPEECH CATEGORY AND WITHIN COUNCIL'S SPHERE THAT DO NOT INVOLVE.
ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION ON THIS, AND THAT'S THE FIRST BULLET POINT.
BUT THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE, OUR STAFF PER SE.
BUT IT DOES INVOLVE THE THREE PEOPLE IN, IN MY OFFICE, MYSELF AND THE TWO DEPUTY MANAGERS.
WE ADHERE TO THIS INTERNATIONAL CITY MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, ICMA, AND WE ARE MEMBERS, WE ADHERE TO THE CODE OF ETHICS THAT THAT, EXIST FOR MANAGERS.
AND THERE'S MANY TENETS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL.
JOANNE. 12 1314 I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH BUT THERE'S ONE TENANT, TENANT SEVEN, THAT SAYS WE SHALL REFRAIN FROM ALL POLITICAL ACTIVITIES WHICH UNDERMINE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATORS.
AND WE, WE FOLLOWED THESE TENANTS, RELIGIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE COMPELLED TO STAY AWAY FROM.
POLITICAL ACTIVITIES WHICH MAY HAVE THAT IMPACT.
AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO, I DO NOT PUT CAMPAIGN SIGNS IN MY YARD.
I CAN'T, I DON'T, I'M A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT.
AND WHILE I HAVE PARTIZAN VIEWPOINTS, THEY WILL NOT BE SHARED.
MANY IN THE ROOM MAY THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I ALIGN ON.
PARTIZAN POLICIES AND CANDIDATES.
WE NEED TO BE VISIBLY NEUTRAL.
TAKE A RECENT EXAMPLE SQUARELY IN LINE WITH TENANT SEVEN.
WHICH IS THE REFERENDUM THAT WAS IN FRONT OF OUR VOTERS IN NOVEMBER.
REACTIVE AS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE FRONT END OF THAT STACY'S OFFICE, ESPECIALLY GETTING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, SIGNATURES TOGETHER, CONDUCTING THE ELECTION, DOING ALL THAT STUFF.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN THAT, A LOT OF WORK.
BUT THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
ALL OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
BUT THE DAY IT BECAME A BALLOT MEASURE.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT, BUT IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE, RIGHT? STERLING? SO STACEY VERY MUCH SO.
YEAH. SO WE STAY AWAY FROM CAMPAIGN.
WE STAY AWAY FROM ENDORSING CANDIDATES, TAKING SIDES ON ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO OUR, VOTERS.
SO WITH THESE AS EXPLANATIONS.
AND THIS NOW TIES IN WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY JUST BROUGHT UP.
SOMETIMES CITIZEN GROUPS AND INTERESTS WILL ADVOCATE FOR POLICIES, PROGRAMS OR POSITIONS.
DON'T INVOLVE POLITICAL SPEECH, MAYBE OF HIGH CITY INTEREST, BUT MAYBE NOT ARGUABLY NEATLY WITHIN CITY BUSINESS, BUT PERIPHERALLY, PROBABLY THEY DO.
AND THAT EXAMPLE IS ONE THAT I USED HERE.
THE, THE BLACK EXPERIENCE, PROGRAM THAT THAT WE, CONTINUE TO SUPPORT.
THESE THINGS ARGUABLY TRANSCEND SOME CITY BUSINESS.
BUT THEY ARE OF CITY BUSINESS IS THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WHEN WE SUPPORTED.
OR WROTE A LETTER WITH RESPECT TO THE BEARS EARS, MONUMENT IN UTAH.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT? 150 MILES AWAY, A COUPLE HUNDRED MILES AWAY.
BUT IT'S IN THE INTEREST WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT.
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US AND CONCERN MUCH MORE THAN US.AND THEN AT TIMES THERE ARE THE REQUESTS THAT CLEARLY LIE WITHIN CITY BUSINESS.
BUT MAY HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN TERMS OF TIME AND STAFF ALLOCATION.
AND I'LL REFERENCE AGAIN JUST.
THE PILOT BIKE LANE OR BIKE LANE PROJECT OF A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO STILL IN PLACE.
AND OUT OF IT CAME A NEW PROJECT.
AND YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT.
ONE WOULD BE JUST EXAMPLES, FUNDING FOR ANIMAL CARE AND SHELTERING.
RIGHT. AND THE RECENT, DISCUSSIONS COUNCIL HAS HAD ON THAT RESULTING IN A NEW INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, INCREASED FUNDING FOR ORGANIZATIONAL INCLUSION OF A LOCAL ARTS DISTRICT.
THIS ONE'S PENDING AS WE SPEAK AT A MEETING ON IT LAST WEEK.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEP DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.
I USE IT FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES ONLY.
THIS ONE IS COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE.
IT'S CLEARLY OF CITY BUSINESS, AND IT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE HIGH IMPACT UPON THE ORGANIZATION.
WE'RE PREPARING FOR THAT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL.
WE'RE PREPARING FOR IT FINANCIALLY.
IT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS WITH RESPECT TO THE LONG TERM REQUEST TO SOMEHOW SEE CREATIVE FLAGSTAFF INCORPORATED WITHIN THE CITY UMBRELLA.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GO THERE THIS AFTERNOON.
IT'S JUST A PENDING EXAMPLE THAT IS RIGHT ON POINT WITH WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE HERE, WHICH IS SOMETIMES THINGS FIND THEIR WAY TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT CLEARLY LIE WITHIN CITY BUSINESS, BUT COULD HAVE HIGH.
A CONSEQUENTIAL IMPACT UPON OUR ORGANIZATION.
AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT REFRESHER AS WE HAVE THESE BUDGET PROCESSES.
WHAT IS THE IMPACT UPON THE ORGANIZATION? IS IT SQUARELY WITHIN CITY BUSINESS? IS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OUT THERE TOWARD POLITICAL SPEECH? IS IT SOMETHING IN BETWEEN? IF IT IS IN THE CATEGORY OF THE LAST BULLET ITEM BEING SQUARELY WITHIN CITY BUSINESS, SHOULD IT BE CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS? AND THAT'S RHETORICAL QUESTION.
THE ANSWER, OF COURSE, IS YES, IT SHOULD.
ATTEMPT THE MEETING BACK TO CREATIVE FLAGSTAFF AS AN EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS A REQUEST FOR A LOT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING BY THE CITY.
WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSION OF THIS AT THE BUDGET TEAM LEVEL, I ASSURE YOU.
AND WE WE WANT TO GET IT TO THE INTERNAL DISCUSSION AND HAVE MORE VETTING OF THIS WITH CITY COUNCIL.
BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY FINE TO HAVE A MEETING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL AND HAVE THESE THINGS MENTIONED.
BUT IN THE END, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS ROOM.
AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS VERY THOROUGHLY AND CAREFULLY.
YOU ARE TASKED WITH THE BIG LIFT.
YOU GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
WE DON'T. WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR THAT.
WE IMPLEMENT THE DECISIONS ARE THE HARD PART IN MY OPINION.
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IMPLEMENTATION. THAT'S DOLLARS AND CENTS.SOME IN THE ROOM MAY RAISE THEIR EYEBROWS ON THAT, BUT.
DECISION MAKING IS IS WHERE? THE DIFFICULTY AND THE CHALLENGES LIE.
WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE ON THE HOSPITAL RELOCATION AND EVERYTHING HIT THE FAN.
IT WASN'T STAFF THAT WAS GETTING THE PHONE CALLS.
WE WEREN'T SINGLED OUT IN THE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR.
WE WEREN'T CHASTISED IN SOCIAL MEDIA.
HOW AM I DOING ON TIME? YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, ANOTHER TEN MINUTES.
AND THIS IS AN OLD SLIDE I DID REFRESH IT.
JUST INTERRUPT ME BECAUSE I'LL JUST BLAB FOREVER.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YES I CAN.
NOT HEARING YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, PLEASE.
OKAY. CAN I ASK MY QUESTION NOW? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND I'M SORRY IF YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK A QUESTION FOR A LONG TIME.
CLIFTON. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH, WHAT YOU'VE SAID SO FAR.
HOWEVER, WE LIVE IN ARIZONA, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME DOWN THROUGH OUR STATE LEGISLATURE REALLY IS CONTRARY TO WHAT WE PROBABLY, WANT, OR HOW WE WANT TO RUN OUR CITY EXAMPLE.
THERE IS A BIG DEAL ABOUT DIE.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WHEN THAT ALL HAPPENED, I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING A PART OF A CITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW ALL OF OUR STAFF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR THEY ARE OR WHAT ETHNIC GROUP THEY REPRESENT, ARE NOT VALUED. AND THEIR HERITAGE AND THEIR HISTORY IS, YOU KNOW, BEING SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET OR WANTING US TO FORGET THAT IT EVER HAPPENED.
SO WHILE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IN THEORY, I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE BECOME THIS GROUP THAT DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR THINGS THAT WE KNOW, WOULD HELP OUR CITY TO RUN BETTER AND WOULD ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR STAFF, ALL OF THEM.
I'M NOT MAKING AN ARGUMENT FOR IT, I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT.
AND A VERY GOOD COMMENT AND THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER HARRISON, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A LONG TIME.
DIVERSITY, INCLUSION AND EQUITY.
OUR VALUES THAT WE EMBRACE IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
THERE ARE VALUES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, HAS PRIORITIZED.
AND THOSE VALUES LIE AT THE CORE OF MUCH OF WHAT WE DO.
SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT ASSURANCE.
I THINK YOUR COMMENT WAS VERY WELL STATED.
BUT THOSE ARE VALUES THAT THAT WE NOT JUST ADHERE TO BUT APPLY, HERE IN THE ORGANIZATION.
SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
OKAY. AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT, PLEASE JUST, INTERRUPT THAT WILL, BUT I WANT TO FINISH BY NOTING I'M GOING TO BACK UP HERE BRIEFLY AND TALK ABOUT THE LAST BULLET POINT.
CONSIDERATION SHOULD ALWAYS FOCUS ON OUR CORE SERVICES AND SUPPORT SERVICES.
I MENTIONED THAT NOW BECAUSE I STARTED OUT THIS MORNING BY TALKING ABOUT, IN TALKING ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THE EBB AND FLOW OF THESE BUDGET YEARS, SOMETIMES WE HAVE. SURPLUS REVENUES TO DEAL WITH.
THAT'S BEEN THE CASE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SOMETIMES THINGS GET A LITTLE BIT TIGHT.
BUT THE THINGS THAT THAT COME TO THE DAY IS THE REQUEST, DO NOT ALWAYS EBB AND FLOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S FAIRLY CONTINUOUS.
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THAT'S BEEN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE ARPA FUNDS AND WITH THE CARES FUNDS AND THINGS OF THE LAST FEW YEARS.AND THEN OTHER TIMES, WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE SURPLUS REVENUES, AND WE GET DOWN TO BRASS TACKS.
AND THE QUICK ANSWER TO THAT IS WE ALWAYS HAVE OUR CORE SERVICES TO BE MINDFUL OF.
ALWAYS. AND THEY NEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE INFLOW.
THEY DO NOT, YOU KNOW, GO AWAY AND THEN COME BACK.
THEY THEY OCCUR, EVERY DAY, EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY.
PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, PLOWING THE STREETS, MAKING SURE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORKS. WATER SERVICES.
THE WATER BETTER COME OUT OF THE FAUCET WHEN YOU TURN IT ON.
RIGHT? AND AND STORMWATER THESE DAYS, WASTEWATER, THE WHOLE GAMUT.
LAST YEAR, WE HAD AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF SNOWFALL.
AND WHAT WHERE'S HEIDI HANSEN? I RECALL ONE DAY WHERE WE HAD AN AIRPORT CLOSURE LAST YEAR.
AM I RIGHT ON THAT? YEAH. WITH THE RUNWAY CLOSED.
THE LIBRARY, OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM, OUR PARKS.
THOSE ARE NOT DISCRETIONARY ITEMS. WHAT YOU DO LIES AT THE CORE OF CITY FUNCTIONS.
OKAY, OUR COURT SYSTEM HAS TO FUNCTION.
NOW, THESE ARE OVERSIMPLIFIED HERE.
BUT THERE ARE LEGAL ADVISEMENT, ENFORCEMENT, HUMAN RESOURCES, ENGINEERING AND PROBABLY MORE STRADDLING THE FENCE, OVERSEEING PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY, HELPING OVERSEE OUR CITY PROJECTS.
AND INTERNALLY, THEY DO IT ALL, ALL OF THESE THINGS VERY IMPORTANT.
OUR CORE SERVICES, OUR SUPPORT SERVICES.
IN FLAGSTAFF WE HAVE ECONOMIC VITALITY.
THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION THIS MORNING.
BUSINESS ATTRACTION, SUSTAINABILITY AND HOUSING AGAIN STATED AS A CORE SERVICE AND AGAIN, AS SOMETHING THAT IS ADAPTING TO COMMUNITY NEEDS, SOMETHING WE IMPLEMENTED JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, OUR NEW PUBLIC AFFAIRS SECTION.
SO TO WRAP UP, OUR STRUCTURE INCLUDES OUR CORE SERVICES AND OUR SUPPORT FUNCTIONS.
ARE APPROPRIATELY SIZED IN MY OPINION.
WE HAVE INCREASED THOSE BY FIVE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
OUR, HOW MANY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HELP ME OUT WITH THAT ONE? JENNIFER CAPUTO. I SEE YOU IN THE BACK.
WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS AS TO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY? THANK YOU. AND OUR LABOR COSTS, WHICH WE TRACK CLOSELY, WE'VE BEEN VERY COMPETITIVE, SLIGHTLY OVER 50% THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO WE LOOK AT THESE METRICS, VERY CLOSELY.
I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING I WANTED TO SPARK SOME DIALOG.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME FOR INPUT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT TO WHAT I JUST SAID.
ANY COMMENTS? THOUGHTS FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.
AND REALLY, I THINK THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE GROUND HERE, BUT MY THOUGHTS ARE SWIRLING AROUND.
WHAT MR. KENNEDY OPENED WITH THIS MORNING.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
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THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THE THINGS THAT THAT PEOPLE DON'T CARE ANYTHING ABOUT.AND TO ME, IT KIND OF COMES BACK TO A PHILOSOPHY OF, WHO HAVE YOU GIVEN FLOWERS TO LATELY? IS ONE OF THE WAYS I'VE, I'VE SORT OF INTERNALIZED THAT OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.
AND I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
I DON'T REALLY NEED TO SAY MUCH.
TO HAVE A SEAT AT THIS DAIS, YOU HAVE TO GET ELECTED.
THERE'S ALLIANCES AND ALLEGIANCES.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS WE ALL CARRY TO THE TO THE TABLE IN OUR OWN WAY, TO, TO VARYING DEGREES.
AND IT'S I MEAN, YOU SAID IT YOURSELF THERE.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND WITHIN OUR RIGHT, TO REPRESENT ALL THAT PACKAGING, IN OUR ROLE.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE ROLE OF, OF STAFF AND LEGAL.
AND SO JUST REALLY SORT OF REPEATING WHAT YOU'VE SAID, PUTTING A FINER POINT ON WHERE, WHERE SOME OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE POWER LINES ARE AND, AND, AND, AND, THE WAYS IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, I THINK WE ARE AFFORDED THE LUXURY AND THE PRIVILEGE OF NOT BEING TOO, BEHOLDEN TO THAT SORT OF THING.
AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS PUBLIC SERVANTS TO RISE ABOVE, THE.
PURE POLITICS OF SOMETHING AND SERVE IN OUR ROLE.
HOLISTICALLY AND TO THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
BUT BUT EVEN AT THIS LEVEL, IT MORE SO AT HIGHER LEVELS.
AND I DO LIKE TO KEEP IN MIND THE QUESTION OCCASIONALLY.
WHO HAVE WHO HAVE I GIVEN FLOWERS TO LATELY? AND IT REALLY DOES COME BACK TO WHAT JEFF WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF THERE'S, THERE'S THE THINGS WE ALL GET CAUGHT UP IN, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A MINDFULNESS TOWARDS, EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THOSE THINGS BUT DO HAVE PASSIONS AND DO HAVE INTERESTS, AND IT IS PART OF OUR JOB TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AND AND BE ATTUNED TO IT.
AND. OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
OTHER COMMENTS. MAKE THE CALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE TO, BUT IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND, SO I'LL JUST SAY IT HERE.
ONE THING IN THIS YEAR THAT I'VE GONE THROUGH ON COUNCIL, I'M STILL DRINKING FROM THE FIRE HOSE.
BUT NOT IT'S NOT ON FULL BLAST ANYMORE.
BUT ONE THING I'M LEARNING, AND I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
I MEAN, YOU LISTED ALL THE THINGS WE VOTE ON IN A YEAR, THE BIG LIST.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S UNINTENTIONAL, UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES TO DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE ONE GOAL OR ONE FOCUS FROM A DEPARTMENT, A STAFF THAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, WE EITHER SUPPORT IT OR WE DON'T.
BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE.
UNINTENDED, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD ARISE.
MY POINT IS, I HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH AN NYU STUDENT YESTERDAY IN JOURNALISM AND JUST OFF THE TOPIC OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT APARTMENT LIVING HERE.
AND WITH HER JOB AND HER NEED, SHE HAS TO HAVE A VEHICLE.
AND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T MATTER IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS, WHEN COUNCIL IS MAKING DECISIONS ON APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE OR APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF.
BUT I THINK THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT, OKAY, IF WE DO THIS, WHAT POPULATION GROUP WE DISPARAGING BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR AN APARTMENT HERE IN FLAGSTAFF IN AN ADDITION TO A PARKING SPOT.
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SO THEN ARE WE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PEOPLE WITH LESS ECONOMIC MEANS? MAYBE THEY COULD GET THAT APARTMENT.BARELY. AND NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A PARKING SPOT, BECAUSE NOW OUR OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF ARE PAYING ARE CHARGING FOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE PER TWO UNITS OR BED.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING MINDFUL OF EQUALITY AND MAKING SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF ALL OF OUR POPULATION GROUPS, THAT EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS REDUCING CARS IN FLAGSTAFF AND CAR TRAVEL, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO A LOWER ECONOMIC, POPULATION GROUPS THAT BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCE, FAMILY MEMBERS ADD ON THE RESERVATION OR WHERE THEY WORK.
SO THEY NEED A CAR, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD AN APARTMENT AND A CAR.
AND SO BUT AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF MANY.
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE FACED WITH SO MANY DECISIONS AND LIMITED INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
AND IT SOUNDS SO GREAT AT THE TIME.
AND THEN WHAT REALLY DOES IT DO DOWN THE LINE TO ME THAT WE SERVE? AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO UNDERSTAND OR THINK ABOUT THAT MORE OR HAVE STAFF BRING THAT UP TO SAY, THIS IS GREAT AND THIS WILL GET US TO THIS GOAL.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS A RESULT TO THAT, THAT THEN IT MIGHT COST OUR RESIDENTS MORE BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S A LIMITED SUPPLY.
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE CERTAINLY HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS SPEAK TO THAT ON A FREQUENT BASIS AS WELL, ALWAYS REMINDING US OF THE IMPORTANCE OF SOCIAL EQUITY AND THE IMPACT, UNINTENDED IMPACT THAT WE MAY HAVE WITH OUR POLICIES ON ALL THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND BEYOND.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEW'S COMMENT, I THINK WE ALWAYS NEED TO THINK OF ALL THE TAX PLUSES AND MINUSES ON EVERY POLICY DECISION.
THE EXAMPLE SHE GAVE UP THERE, DAVE, IS THAT IF WE, REQUIRED PARKING, MORE PARKING THAT WOULD INCREASE THE COST FOR EVERYONE.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S LIKE TWO SIDES TO EVERY ARGUMENT.
WE SHOULD ALWAYS THINK OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SITES, THE TEN DIFFERENT SITES.
SO IN THAT BASIC REGARD, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR YOUR POINT.
THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? STEVE RICK IS SMILING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, JEFF.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
ALL RIGHT. GREAT JOB. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT MOVING.
BOND PROJECT UPDATES GOT ED, SHANNON, SARAH, AND, IT'S NOT HERE, SO I'M GUESSING YOU GOT HIS PART. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GIVE IT UP.
YEP. OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST GET GOING ON THE UPDATE FOR THE BOND AS IT RELATES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY IF WE CAN GO TO THIS ONE.
SO WE WERE APPROVED IN THE BOND FOR 2.185 FOR TWO WILDFIRE TYPE THREE ENGINES AND TWO WATER TENDERS.
TYPICALLY EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IN THE APPARATUS BUILD PROCESS IS ABOUT 2 TO 4 YEARS OUT.
SO WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND TWO TYPE THREE WILDFIRE ENGINES THAT WERE STOCK ENGINES.
AND STACEY HAS A PICTURE HERE.
THEY'RE SITTING IN FLORIDA RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE GETTING PACKAGED AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO BE SHIPPED OVER HERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PICTURE WILL COME UP IF IT DOES SO.
BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT, THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD SEE SO AS IT LOADS.
THE BAD NEWS IS, EVEN WITH OUR PROJECTED WHEN WE DID THE BOND ASSUMPTIONS WITH OUR 15% INFLATIONARY INCREASE PROJECTIONS, WE STILL ARE OVER IN WHAT THOSE TYPE THREES COST.
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AND SO AT THIS POINT THESE ARE OUR PRIORITY.SO IF THAT PICTURE EVER SHOWS UP THAT'S GREAT.
IF NOT, WE CAN JUST KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THE TWO WATER TENDERS.
WE'VE GOT TWO QUOTES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED AND WE'VE, FOUND THAT WE'RE ABOUT $110,000 SHORT ON ON THE 2.185 TOTAL TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THOSE TWO WATER TENDERS.
SO WE WENT A LITTLE PROACTIVE ON THIS.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WORKING WITH FINANCE, WORKING WITH THE APPROVAL SIDE WE ARE CURRENTLY WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE DIVISION OF FORESTRY AND FIRE MANAGEMENT IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL OFFSETS FOR THOSE TWO UNITS AS A RESULT.
50% OF ITS PURCHASED ON ITS WAY OVER HERE, AND WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT ON THAT.
SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE WILDFIRE PURCHASES FOR THE BOND.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION. YES, MA'AM.
ON THE POTENTIAL WAITING ON THE SECOND WATER TENDER.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR, FIREFIGHTING? SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO FORTUNATELY, WHEN WE PRIORITIZE THE BENEFIT OF THE TWO WATER TENDERS WE HAVE ARE AGED OUT, BUT THEY'RE STILL IN DECENT CONDITION BY ALL GENERAL PURPOSES.
AND SO AS A RESULT, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT EVEN IF WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO YEARS TILL WE CAN GET THAT FUNDED, WE WERE ALREADY ON THAT PLAN OF 2 TO 3 YEARS BEFORE WE DO EQUIPMENT. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT OUR OPERATIONAL RESPONSE LEVELS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON PROP FOUR FOR ONE FOR THE STORMWATER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S KIND OF GRAINY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE SITTING FURTHER BACK.
WE HAVE WEEKLY, TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES, MEETINGS THAT, SCOTT OVERTON LEADS.
ELI REISNER WITH CAPITAL, IS RUNNING THE PROJECT.
A LOT A LOT OF GOOD WORK GOING ON HERE.
A LOT OF MEETINGS ALSO WITH THE FINANCE TEAM.
ALSO IN THE IN THIS PACKAGE, WE HAVE THAT MAP OF THE PROJECT.
SO STARTING FROM UP TOP NEAR LINDA VISTA, WHERE THE PARKWAY BASINS ARE BEING COMPLETED BY THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KILLIP SCHOOL AND THE KILLIP SCHOOL DETENTION BASINS.
A FULL SUITE OF PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THERE THAT ARE MOVING VERY QUICKLY TO GO OUT TO GRAND VIEW.
AS I MENTIONED, WE MEET WITH THE FINANCE GROUP, FAIRLY REGULARLY.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING A LITTLE BIT OF OVERAGE.
WE'RE HOPING TO TO GET THAT DOWN, BOTH WITH, SOME VALUE ENGINEERING AS WELL AS EXTERNAL GRANTS.
AND THEN ALSO WORKING TOWARDS A FEDERAL EARMARK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, WITH THE FLAGSTAFF WATERSHED PROTECTION PROJECT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO TO RE TOOL, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT HERE.
MY. THIS ISN'T DIRECTLY RELATED TO HER, FOR ONE, BUT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A YEAR AGO WITH OUR STORMWATER RATE INCREASES, NOT KNOWING WHAT GRANTS WE WOULD RECEIVE. WHAT OTHER FUNDING? WILL YOU BE PROVIDING US AN UPDATE? WERE WE ABLE TO SECURE MORE GRANTS? AND SO WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH? TAXED ON OUR RATEPAYERS.
CAN WE ADJUST THAT? WHERE IS THAT LOOKING? YEAH, WE CAN GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.
JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT HERE, THESE SET OF GRANTS THAT WE'RE GOING FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT HERE WAS ORIGINALLY EXPECTED THAT ALL OF THIS WOULD BE FUNDED UNDER PROPOSITION 441. SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO GO FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR PART OF THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL 26 MILLION, UNFORTUNATELY.
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WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE GRANTS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THIS.AND WHAT'S OUR PLAN IF WE DON'T GET GRANTS AND WE CAN'T VALUE ENGINEER IT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THAT'S FOR THE KILL OF INLET.
SO FEMA IS ACTUALLY DOING THE COMPLIANCE FOR THAT GRANT.
SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR EXPECTATIONS IS THAT WILL BE RELEASED.
AND THEN TALKING WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY AND MILITARY AFFAIRS, EDEMA, OR OUR STATE ADVOCATE. YESTERDAY KILL UP OUTLET IS EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH THIS YEAR AS WELL.
SO THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT COMPLIANCE STARTING THIS SPRING, FOR THAT PROJECT AS WELL.
SO IF WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO GETTING THOSE GRANTS LIKE THE FEMA GRANT, OR IS THAT AN INITIAL PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO APPLY? OH, SO WE APPLY FIRST AND THEN WITH ALL COMPLIANCE ITEMS. SO THAT'S COMPLIANCE WOULD BE LIKE YOUR ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT OF YOUR SECTION 106 ACT.
IT'D BE IT'S ALL THE COMPLIANT FEDERAL COMPLIANCE ITEMS THAT GO WITH THAT.
SO IT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT FEDERAL STANDARDS AND CODES THAT GO, WITH FEDERAL FUNDING.
SO IT'S STRINGS THAT COME ATTACHED, IF YOU WILL.
AS LONG AS WE CAN WORK THROUGH ALL THOSE WHICH WE EXPECT, WE WILL.
THEN WE WILL WORK WITH STACEY BRECHLER-KNAGGS GROUP TO GET THAT GRANT AGREEMENT.
SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT.
SO WE'RE FEELING CONFIDENT THOSE GRANTS, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT WE'LL RECEIVE THAT MONEY.
WE HAVE TO DELIVER ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AS A COMPLETE PACKAGE BECAUSE THEY WORK AS A SYSTEM.
WE WILL DELIVER ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO THE PROJECT.
I'VE BEEN REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF ED AND STACEY, BC AND EVERYBODY HUSTLING ALL THESE GRANTS.
I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING SOME PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS.
THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH FEDERAL FUNDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF PIPELINE.
I'M CONFIDENT IN WHAT'S BEING DONE, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD SPOT.
AND WE'RE REALLY CLOSE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
ONE YEAR INTO DESIGN, ONLY ABOUT 2 MILLION SHORT, WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
AND I THINK I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO HAVE 24 MONTHS TO THAT GAP.
THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK A FIGHT WITH ANYONE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
I'VE GOT NINE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY.
AND I'M ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF INTO MY NEW ROLE AS THE WATER SERVICES ENGINEERING SECTION DIRECTOR.
SO I'M HERE TO HELP SHANNON OUT, HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP.
BUT I'M BRAND NEW TO THE POSITION SO I CAN HELP OUT.
SO HE'S HAS A TON OF INFORMATION ON A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS.
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THE TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.FUNDING CHALLENGES GOING TO THE RATE STUDY.
SEEMS LIKE I GET TO TALK WITH YOU GUYS A LOT ABOUT MONEY OR LACK THEREOF.
AND TIMING. RIGHT. TIMING IS EVERYTHING.
RIGHT. THESE ARE, THESE TAKE YEARS TO KIND OF DEVELOP OUT.
BUT WE ARE TRACKING THEM. WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK TO PUT PRESSURE ON THOSE.
AND THOSE ARE WORKING TO JUST SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS.
AS WE BEGIN TO REPOSITION OURSELVES TO HOW DO WE CONTINUE AND MAKE THAT TYPE OF.
SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE THE INITIATIVES OF THE PROPOSITION FOR, FOR ONE FOR WASTEWATER WAS TALKING ABOUT INCREASING CAPACITY, IMPLEMENTING ENERGY EFFICIENCY UPGRADES, REALLY WORKING TO TRY TO HOW DO WE INTEGRATE RESILIENCY BACK INTO A CRITICAL CORE FUNCTION OF OUR OF OUR CITY? REALLY KIND OF BOILS DOWN, I WOULD SAY, TO FIVE SPECIFIC PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS.
OF THOSE AND SO THOSE ARE LISTED THERE.
GROUPING THEM TOGETHER INTO SOLIDS HANDLING GAS RECAPTURE AND THE PRIMARY EFFLUENT PUMPS.
ALL THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY AT 60%.
DESIGN. AND TWO OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN AWARDED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM IN AT THE LATTER PART OF THE DESIGN, SO THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND WE CAN USE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE SUCCESSFUL.
DURING THAT PROCESS, OF COURSE, ALLOWS US TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW LOOKING FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR VALUE, ENGINEERING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO CONTINUING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHECKING OUR INFORMATION BACK ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE BEFORE THROUGH THE DESIGN AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AS THE PROJECT BEGINS TO GET CLOSER TO, TO REALIZATION. THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND RESILIENCY THAT, TWO PROJECTS.
SILLY. REALLY SHIFT MORE OVER TO THE REAL.
I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO DECREASE THAT ENERGY USE, AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THINGS SMARTER THAN WE'RE DOING TODAY, AND HOW DO WE ALIGN THAT WITH THE THINGS WE ALREADY NEED TO BE DOING? SO A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY ABOUT REALLY HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THAT, AND TALKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO SEE WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY AROUND, ENERGY MONITORING? WHERE CAN WE AUTOMATE THINGS AND HOW CAN WE ADD TECHNOLOGY BACK INTO THOSE PROJECTS? SO SKIP TO THAT A LITTLE A LITTLE QUICK.
WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME GOING BACK TO THIS ONE? ALSO KIND OF POINT OUT THE SCHEDULE, THE CALENDAR.
YOU SEE THESE WHEN THE MONEY'S BECOME AVAILABLE IS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY, AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT A PROJECT THAT I CAN ANSWER? WE HAVE MAC HERE TRYING TO HELP DO THAT AS WELL.
ISN'T NECESSARILY A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT AS WE'RE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RATE STUDY AND THE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CLEAR WITH COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF THE PROJECTS, SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL PROJECTS AND MAYBE EVEN CONVERSELY, TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T INVEST IN THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE ALL A LITTLE ANXIOUS ABOUT THE RATE STUDY AND.
AND I JUST THINK IT'D BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE PROJECTS ARE CRUCIAL TO WATER FUTURE, OUR WASTEWATER FUTURE, AND MOVING FORWARD.
IT'S KEEPING IN MIND THAT, AGAIN, THIS FUNDING WAS WAS ALLOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE RATE STUDY.
SO REALLY THE RATES THAT IT KIND OF PICKS UP WHERE THAT INFUSION OCCURRED.
AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THAT.
BUT DEFINITELY I GET YOUR POINT AND WELL SAID.
THANK YOU. AND AND IT MIGHT BE JUST THAT I'M A LITTLE SLOW TODAY, BUT, LIKE, LET'S GO TO WILDCAT PUMPS.
THE NUMBER CHART. SO YOU HAVE UNDER 23, 24.5 MILLION IN THE RED.
BUT IT'S FUNDED IN 24, 25, 2.5 MILLION.
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AND THEN THE 2,000,000 IN 2526 IS IN THE RED.SO IS THAT SAYING THAT BY 20 THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL HAVE.
MONEY FROM THE PROP 4412.5 OF THE WILDCAT PROJECT.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE 2 MILLION YET, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TOTAL COST.
YES. AS FAR AS DELIVER THE MONEY, I THINK THAT'S MORE REPRESENTS WHAT IS A REASONABLE EXPLANATION OF WHEN THE EXPENDITURE OCCURS, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO BRING FORTH A BALANCED, ANNUAL AND FIVE YEAR PLAN AND A TEN YEAR PLAN THAT, THAT THAT MONEY GETS DISTRIBUTED OF THAT EXPENDITURE REFLECTED OF WHEN IT'S GOING TO OCCUR.
LAST YEAR, FIFTH FULL YEAR, 3 MILLION AND THEN 2.7 MILLION IN 2025 AND 1.8 MILLION.
SO. THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL PROJECT IS LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
AM I READING IT WRONG? CLEARLY. I HONESTLY THINK THAT YOU'RE READING THAT WRONG AGAIN.
SO WE TAKE THAT SNAPSHOT AND PUT IN.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE PLACEHOLDERS.
I'M ME TELLING YOU WHAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO COST THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
LIKE WE USE OUR BEST ESTIMATE AND THEN WE WORK THROUGH.
I ACTUALLY FEEL IN THE PROPOSITION FOR FOR ONE, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE COGENERATION.
THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC AROUND THE 5 MILLION.
BUT HOW DO YOU PROGRAM THOSE IN AND TO THE CURRENT YEARS? AND IF THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP IN THE TALLIES, PROBABLY JUST A AN EQUATION OR IN THE SPREADSHEET? AGAIN, HONESTLY, THESE NUMBERS DO MOVE BASED ON AGAIN, PROJECT DELIVERY BALANCING, BALANCING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND LOOKING AT WHEN THINGS ACTUALLY, TRANSPIRE.
SO EVEN THROUGH THE COURSE OF A YEAR, I SEE THOSE NUMBERS MOVING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COLUMNS BASED ON HOW ACCELERATED THE PROJECT IS AND HOW, HONESTLY, EVEN SOMETIMES WHEN PRIORITIES CHANGE AND AND YOU SHIFT.
SO FOR FOR ONE THAT WAS APPROVED WILL COVER THESE PROJECTS.
LOOK, I HAVE ALL THE POWER WITH REMOTE CONTROL, BUT I REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE SLIDE.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR, COUNCIL.
I ALWAYS FEEL WEIRD FOLLOWING ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
IS IT SUCH A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT THAT WE USE IN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS? I THINK YOU'RE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH RENTAL INCENTIVE BOND PROGRAM AND HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE.
AND THE RENTAL INCENTIVE BOND PROGRAM WILL BE PUBLISHED TOMORROW.
GRASPING FINAL TOUCHES, LITERALLY.
IT'LL BE PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY SUN OVER THE WEEKEND.
YOU'LL BE OPEN FOR TWO FULL WEEKS, PLUS WEEKENDS ON EITHER SIDE.
SO IT'S DUE BACK ON THE FEBRUARY 19TH AS WE COMMITTED TO WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD WITH THE POLICY OVERALL IS WE ARE TURNING THE REVIEW OF THIS VERY QUICKLY. WE'VE GIVEN OURSELVES TWO DAYS FOR STAFF ELIGIBILITY REVIEW.
WE THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CUT THAT IN HALF.
AND THEN WE CAN ISSUE AWARD LETTERS, TO, SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS PRIOR TO THAT LATECH DEADLINE.
THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX DEBT, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEADLINE AT THE BEGINNING OF APRIL.
FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE WHEN WE BRING LOAN DOCUMENTS FORWARD TO YOU AND ALL OF THOSE PIECES.
BUT, STERLING IS NOT HERE FOR CREDIT, BUT HIS LEGAL TEAM, I'M SURE, IS LISTENING ONLINE.
WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WEEK.
WE CAN BRING THE LOAN DOCUMENTS BACK ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS IN PLACE.
TO THE VERY, VERY BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
COMMITTING BEING ASSEMBLED COUNCIL CONSIDERATION OF AWARDS MARCH HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
WELL, LET ME STOP RIGHT THERE.
QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE BEFORE I GO.
HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, OUR JANUARY MEETING FOR WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION.
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WHAT ARE ALL OF THE WILD AND CRAZY IDEAS YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF? OR YOUR FRIENDS BROTHERS, COUSIN HAS MENTIONED TO YOU OR SOMETHING YOU READ ONLINE? WHAT IS IT? LET'S THROW IT IN THE POT SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE THIS OUT.SO YOU'LL SEE THAT MY NEXT ONE.
OH, AND THEN IN FEBRUARY, WE HAVE INVITED, A LOCAL REALTOR, A LOCAL MORTGAGE LENDER, AND THEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE HUD APPROVED HOUSING COUNSELING AGENCY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IS HOUSING SOLUTIONS.
SO WE HAVE REAL ESTATE MARKET, LENDING MARKET AND THEN THE PEOPLE MARKET.
WHAT IS HOUSING SOLUTIONS AS A COUNSELING AGENCY? SEEING IN CLIENTS WALKING IN THE DOOR WHERE THEY QUALIFYING FOR WHAT ARE THEIR CHALLENGES? THAT TYPE OF THING.
IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE A COMMON LANGUAGE AND FOUNDATION FOR THE HOUSING COMMISSION TO WORK FROM.
OFTEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PARAMETERS ARE.
NOBODY HAS DONE THIS IN ARIZONA BEFORE.
AND SO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF AWESOME IDEAS.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN WITHIN USING GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FUNDS THIS WAY? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM DOING ONE OF OUR WILD AND CRAZY IDEAS? SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT EARLY.
SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING STAFF TIME.
WE'RE NOT GETTING COMMUNITY HOPES UP.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THIS FUNDING IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OTHER THINGS, TO TRY TO TO TRY TO STRETCH IT, TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS ABSOLUTELY AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY BASED WITHIN HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE.
SO WE WE ARE CONSIDERING AND RESEARCHING MULTIPLE PROGRAMS FROM AROUND THE NATION, AND ALSO THE BRAINSTORMING IDEAS, WILD AND CRAZY IDEAS, AND ANYTHING ANYBODY SAID WE WE PUT OUT THERE.
I MEAN, SOME THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM RECENTLY.
LET'S FIND OUT. HAS SOMETHING CHANGED? IS IT NOW SOMETHING WE CAN DO? IS DOES THE THE SOURCE OF MONEY COLOR OF MONEY MATTER? SO WE ANTICIPATE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE TO SEEK ADDITIONAL DIRECTION BEFORE SUMMER BREAK.
I SAY ANTICIPATE BECAUSE WE WORK WITHIN A VERY BUSY ORGANIZATION.
AND WE IT'S NOT ONLY HOUSING STAFF, IT'S FINANCE AND IT'S PROCUREMENT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CREATING A TIMELINE, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE.
SO THAT'S THE NEXT THING WE'RE TACKLING.
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
JUST BLINK AN EYE IF YOU CAN'T LEGALLY SAY THIS OR NOT.
YES. WITH IDEAS, I CAN TALK ABOUT IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF HOUSING COMMISSION.
WE TALKED ABOUT, IS IT RATE BUY DOWNS, IS IT LARGER DOWN PAYMENTS? IS IT A DOWN PAYMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF MPI? LIKE WHAT? MORE, MORTGAGE INSURANCE? SORRY. TALKING IN CODE AGAIN.
AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO AND WHAT IS POLITICALLY PALATABLE, WHAT IS MATCHING COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS. LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL OF THOSE PIECES.
YES. RATE BUY DOWNS CAME UP, YOU KNOW, PAYMENT CAME UP WORKING WITH ORGANIZATIONS.
ALL DIFFERENT LEASE TO OWN IF WE STRUCTURE IT THAT WAY.
BUT WE SET HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE AND SO DOES LEASE TO OWN WORK.
SO YES, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS ON THE TABLE.
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WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WAYS TO CALCULATE INCOME.AND OF COURSE, A HOME BUYER IS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO WHAT THE MORTGAGE LENDER COUNTS AS INCOME.
BUT OUR PROGRAM NOW HAS ACCEPTABLE FRONT END AND BACK END, FINANCING RATIOS SO THAT WE'RE SETTING HOMEBUYERS UP FOR SUCCESS.
SO THIS ACTUALLY WE SPENT A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS OF YES, IF SOMEONE QUALIFIES FOR LENDING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE AND PERHAPS EVEN MORE PERMISSIBLE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE RATIOS, ESPECIALLY IF THE LENDING MARKET CHANGES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, PRONE TO DO, DIFFERENT WAYS TO CONSIDER DEBT, DIFFERENT WAYS TO CONSIDER MEDICAL DEBT OR STUDENT LOAN DEBT.
DID WE SOLVE THAT? NO. BUT IT CAME UP AS A CONVERSATION PIECE FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND.
SO IT'S NOT SIMPLY OUR TRADITIONAL TOOLS OF, WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR DOWN PAYMENT.
IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN STRUCTURE THAT MONEY, GO AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, LEVERAGE IT TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, AND DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR OUR MARKET.
WE TALKED ABOUT SLIDING, SLIDING SCALES FOR DIFFERENT INCOME GROUPS AND LOCAL MONEY, LOCAL RULES.
WE CAN GO UP ABOVE LOW INCOME WITH THIS.
WE KNOW FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT 80% AND UNDER.
TO PURCHASE A HOUSE IS REALLY HARD BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE STOCK THERE.
THIS IS NOT UNIT CREATION MONEY.
THIS IS HELP FOLKS, PURCHASE UNITS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE WORK WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS AND WHAT WILL WORK HERE? NOT THAT WILL WORK IN A FEDERAL PROGRAM DESIGNED TO FIT EVERYBODY FROM NEW YORK TO VERDIGRE, NEBRASKA, WHERE MY IN-LAWS ARE FROM, LIKE WHAT WILL WORK HERE? AND THAT'S THE POWER OF THE LOCAL MONEY.
AND THEN JUSTYNA JUST MESSAGED ME THE WHOLE LIST.
WE TALKED ABOUT ADU RENTAL INCOME FOR ELIGIBILITY, AND MORTGAGE COMPANIES HANDLE THAT DIFFERENTLY.
SO ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS AT THE TABLE THAT, WE WILL WE WILL CHASE.
THE GROUND AND COME BACK WITH.
ALL RIGHT. WE CONSIDERED A LOT OF STUFF, BUT HERE'S OUR UNIVERSE OF REALITY.
WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO? REMEMBER HERE.
OH, AM I LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER? COUNCIL MEMBER. I CAN SEE HERE.
SO THIS IS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT OR WHATEVER FOR, I THINK PROBABLY RICK.
GREG. AND MAYBE FOR HOUSING FOLKS TOO.
OKAY. SO TODAY, I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS MENTIONED ABOUT BEING SHORT STAFFED, ABOUT, NEEDING EMPLOYEES. THEY CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF OR IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONGER TIME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.
HAVE WE CONSIDERED, CONSULTANTS FOR SOME OF THE WORK UNTIL WE CAN HIRE PEOPLE? EXAMPLE THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE, OR THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE HAD YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH ALL KINDS OF HOUSING STUFF.
THOSE FOLKS ARE PROBABLY RETIRED NOW.
SOME OF THEM I KNOW FOR A FACT DO CONSULTING AROUND THE COUNTRY.
HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO USE THEM FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE? DOES IT? I MEAN, DOES IT FIT INTO I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING AGAINST, IN OUR POLICY OR IN OUR CHARTER THAT WOULD ALLOW US NOT TO USE A CONSULTANT TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE? THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER HARRIS.
SO WE HAVE CONSIDERED CONSULTANTS, TOO MUCH WAY.
WE'RE TURNING OUR BUDGET REQUESTS IN TOMORROW.
WE ARE REQUESTING TO REPROGRAM SOME FUNDING.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO, GET A COMMISSION, A COMMISSION TO GET A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS, OUR OUR CONSIDERATION WITH DID WE SAY YES? DO WE GO FOR A CONSULTANT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS TIMING.
WE HAVE BEEN STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO MOVE QUICKLY.
WE ARE ABLE TO RIGHT NOW ACCESS A LOT OF THE KNOWLEDGE IN THIS COMMUNITY ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS.
WE HAVE YET TO HEAR, NO, THAT'S LUCITE, NOT WOOD.
BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE YET TO HEAR NO FROM ANYBODY THAT WE'VE SAID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH US.
DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF THING? IF WE WERE TO PROCURE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THOSE THINGS, IT'S GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER.
AND I LIKE ACCESSING THE FREE STUFF.
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AND YES, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED RELATIONSHIPS WITH OVER YEARS IN ORDER TO ASSIST US.IF THAT'S A DIRECTION COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO GO, CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF BOND FUNDS CAN BE SPENT ON A CONSULTANT OR NOT.
I'M, AND THIS IS, COMMENT TO CITY MANAGER AND ALSO A COMMENT BACK TO YOU.
SOME TYPE OF, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
SO I AM PUSHING ON THIS, AND I'M PUSHING HARD.
IT COUNCILMAN. SO CITY MANAGER THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THAT IS IS I'M PUSHING AT YOU ABOUT THAT.
YES. WE DO RELY ON CONSULTANTS WHEN WE CAN.
YOU'VE HAD A NICE, SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE MANY CAPITAL PROJECTS WE'RE DOING.
SO WE RELY ON CONSULTANTS QUITE A BIT.
BUT I KNOW YOUR QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO HOUSING, AND WE WILL DISCUSS.
I JUST WANTED. PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER HARRIS SAID.
I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO IS CONSULTANT.
I THINK WHATEVER'S THE FASTEST, MOST EFFICIENT WAY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LIMITED POOL OF TALENT HERE WITHIN OUR ISLAND SURROUNDED BY TREES. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A JOB OPENINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LONG TIME TO FILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A QUALIFIED PERSON OUT THERE AND A CONSULTANT, DEFINITELY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT FOR THE LONG TERM, COMPLETE TERM, COULD FILL THAT GAP.
SO WE'RE NOT WAITING 24, 36 MONTHS TILL WE FIND SOMEBODY GET THEM UP TO SPEED.
BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF US AGREE THAT WE WANT TO SEE THIS AS YOU FELT GO, GO.
AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER COMPONENT IS THEN HIRING THAT EXTRA OF TEA TO OVERSEE THAT.
SO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT IN THE INTERIM, IF WE'VE GOT CONSULTANTS THAT CAN COME IN AND HELP US BUILD THOSE PLANS AND, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID ON MONEY IS FAIRLY NEW.
I THINK MOST OF US WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD.
THANK YOU. WE WE FEEL REALLY CONFIDENT ABOUT MOMENTUM IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS EASIER UNDERSTOOD BY HOUSING COMMISSION MEMBERS, BY THE COMMUNITY OVERALL. AND OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT LIMITED TO FLAGSTAFF.
SO MESSAGE RECEIVED ABSOLUTELY LOUD AND CLEAR.
MY WORRY IS SLOWING SOMETHING DOWN WHERE WE DO HAVE MOMENTUM.
WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO THAT BECAUSE WE COULD JUST SAY, JUST FLIP IT AROUND AND DO IT.
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THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE BEST PROGRAM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT ALL.
IT'S THAT WE'RE WE'RE UTILIZING OUR THE PROGRAM INCOME, ETC.
IT. WHAT MAKES SENSE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE MOVING ALONG.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S TIME FOR A BREAK.
EVERYBODY READY FOR A BREAK? QUICK BREAK. OKAY, LET'S DO, THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR 15 MINUTES.
CAN WE CAN WE GET THIS BREAK DONE IN TEN? OH, OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND RESUME.
SO THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT WORD RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE TALKING. ALL RIGHT, I WILL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED, BUT I ALSO WANT TO, JUST LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT ON MARCH 28TH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FULL DAY TO TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE LONE TREE OVERPASS.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED BY PROPOSITION 420.
AND THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING OF THE RAILROAD.
ALSO EXTEND LONE TREE ROAD NORTH OF BUTLER ALL THE WAY INTO ROUTE 66.
SO THIS WILL BE A COMPLETE STREET SECTION.
THE FUND THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS 115 MILLION, AND THAT INCLUDES 81 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION, 25 MILLION FOR PERMITS, STAFF, TIME, REAL ESTATE.
AND THEN WE'RE AT 9 MILLION FOR DESIGN.
AND THEN WE DID RECEIVE A RURAL TRANSPORTATION.
ALWAYS. THIS WORD GETS ME ALL THE TIME.
BUT THAT WORD. AND THEN COUNCIL, WE DID GET A GRANT OF $15 MILLION.
BUT THAT WAS REALLY FORTUNATE AND REALLY EXCITING FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THE PROJECT DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLETE, SOON, MAYBE THIS SUMMER, AND THEN WE'LL START CONSTRUCTION ON OTHER PARTS KIND OF LATER THIS YEAR AND AS EARLY AS MAYBE, THIS SUMMER, STARTING ON A PORTION SOUTH OF BUTLER.
AND THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE DONE IN 2027.
AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME BNSF AGREEMENTS THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU.
AND THIS IS WITHIN THE FLAGSTAFF DOWNTOWN AREA AND WITHIN THE BNSF RAILWAY CORRIDOR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION GOING ON.
OUR DESIGN IS ABOUT 4 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
WE DO HAVE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM BNSF FROM THE CITY.
WE ALSO HAVE FUNDING FROM ADOT.
YOU EXPECT TO HAVE DESIGN COMPLETE EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND THEN WE'LL JUST START INTO CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE EXPECTING CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETE BY 2028.
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PROJECT UPDATES.NEXT PROJECT IS THE BEULAH UNIVERSITY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BEFORE COUNCIL MAYBE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PUT A NEW ROUNDABOUT EAST OF MILTON, KIND OF IN THIS AREA.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO EXTEND BEULAH UNIVERSITY, BEULAH BOULEVARD, NORTH UNIVERSITY AVENUE.
SO THAT IS A GREAT, UNDERTAKING A PROJECT THAT WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THIS AREA.
ALSO GOING TO DO A NEW FOUR LEGGED INTERSECTION AT MILTON AND UNIVERSITY AVENUE.
ALSO INCLUDED IS A PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS.
SO THIS IS NORTH OF THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THAT WILL BE FUNDED WITH SOME CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER IN THIS AREA.
THIS PROJECT IS FUNDED BY PROPOSITION 403, WHICH IS THE OLD TAX.
TOTAL BUDGET IS 24 MILLION, WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PRIVATE DEVELOPERS.
AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE OLD TAX AND THE NEW TAX.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS AND I APOLOGIZE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR FLOOD MITIGATION? HAVE MONSOONS STUFF.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE A PUMP THERE OR.
YES, YOUR HONOR, IN A BUCKET AND A BUCKET.
YEAH, YEAH. YOUR HONOR, COUNCIL MEMBER MATTHEWS.
SO THAT TUNNEL WILL HAVE A SUMP AND A PUMP.
SO IT'LL TAKE ANY FLOW THAT GETS IN IT AND OUT INTO THE PUBLIC STORM DRAINS.
OR NOW THAT THAT'S THE PLAN, TO JUST COLLECT IT AND THEN PUMP IT OUT INTO THE STORM DRAINS.
EAGLE MOUNTAIN CONSTRUCTION AND THEY STARTED LAST ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING INTO THIS PROJECT.
SO THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS ON PROJECT LEAVE AT THE DENVER.
THEY PLAYED A VIDEO PART OF THE PART OF THE WORK.
SO MOST OF THIS WORK, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETE NEXT FALL.
WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING UP.
THE TEAM IS WORKING AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO MITIGATE THOSE WITHIN THE CURRENT FUNDED AMOUNT.
BUT IF WE NEED TO, WE WILL COME BEFORE YOU WITH ANY INCREASE.
THIS NEXT PROJECT IS THE BUTLER FOURTH IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS IS A NEW COMPLETE STREET SECTION FROM I-40 DOWN TO IOWA HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION.
AND THIS PROJECT, IS PART OF 419 FUNDED COMPLETELY BY 419 AND THE AMOUNT OF 18 MILLION.
THERE ARE PRIVATE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS GOING ON HERE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND START LOOKING AT THINGS AND REDESIGNING CERTAIN ELEMENTS.
SO WE WANT THIS TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
A COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, DESIGN SHOULD BE.
YES, MISS, YOU SAID THAT THE 18 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT BUDGET IS PAID FOR BY THE, PREVIOUS BOND BY PROPOSITION 419. OKAY.
THANK YOU. SO DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
AND THEN WE WILL START CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER.
SO WHAT COUNCIL WILL SEE LATER THIS YEAR IS POSSIBLY AN AMENDMENT OR AN ADDITION TO SOME DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT FOR OUR CONSULTANT TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN, AS WELL AS BRINGING ON A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK TO DELIVER THE CONSTRUCTION.
LAST PROJECT FOR MY PART, HERE IS THE LOCKET AND CEDAR ROUNDABOUT.
SO THIS PROJECT IS COORDINATION WITH ADOT.
SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM CIP.
AND SO THIS PROJECT WILL BUILD A ROUNDABOUT.
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AT THE INTERSECTION THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AS WELL AS RAPID FLASHING BEACONS TO HELP PEDESTRIANS CROSS.RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT BUDGET IS 6 MILLION, WITH 2 MILLION COMING FROM A CIP GRANT, AND THEN THE REMAINDER IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLETE LATER THIS YEAR, AND THEN WE SHOULD START CONSTRUCTION EARLY NEXT YEAR, EARLY 2025. WHAT YOU WILL SEE.
WHAT COUNCIL WILL SEE, MAYBE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE IGA, JUST RELATED TO HOW WE DELIVER AND HELP ADMINISTER THIS PROJECT WITH ADA. SO THAT'LL COME BEFORE YOU.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO JUMP INTO THE AIRPORT.
I'M GOING TO START TODAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW ABOUT THE AIRPORT FUND AND THE PORTIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND ADAM'S GOING TO GO INTO SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
SO TO START OFF, AS WE HEARD EARLIER, THE AIRPORT FUND IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
WITHIN THAT, WE HAVE SOME ONGOING REVENUE SOURCES SUCH AS OUR LEASES, LICENSES AND FEES.
THOSE GENERALLY GO TOWARD OUR OPERATING EXPENSES.
SO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE DOCUMENT THAT LOOKS AT OUR CURRENT INVENTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO TO SUPPORT FUTURE OPERATIONS. THAT PLAN IS DEVELOPED ABOUT EVERY TEN YEARS, SOMETIMES A BIT LONGER THAN THAT, AND OUR PLAN WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2018.
SO WITHIN THAT PLAN, ANNUALLY WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION AND THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO DEVELOP A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN CALLED AN AIRPORT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WITHIN THAT PLAN, THE PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED BY FUNDING SOURCE.
WE REVIEW THIS INFORMATION WITH OUR AIRPORT COMMISSION.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCHEDULED FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AS TREVOR MENTIONED EARLIER, TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL.
THESE PROJECTS ARE AN EXPANSION OF OUR TERMINAL BUILDING.
SO AS AIRLINES ARE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THAT THEY REFER TO AS UP GAUGING, AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE LARGER AIRCRAFT WITH FEWER FLIGHTS PER DAY, THAT PUTS A LITTLE BIT MORE STRESS ON THE BUILDING WITH A NEED TO HANDLE MORE PASSENGERS AT A GIVEN TIME.
FORTUNATELY, TERMINAL EXPANSION PROJECTS DON'T SCORE VERY WELL ON THE FEDERAL FUNDING MATRIX, RIGHT? THEY TEND TO LOOK AT SAFETY PROJECTS FIRST, SO THEY INVOLVE RUNWAYS, AND TAXIWAYS TEND TO BE SCORED MUCH HIGHER, WHICH MAKES IT A CHALLENGE TO FIND SOURCES TO FUND TERMINAL PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY FOR THINGS LIKE EXPANSION.
SO WE HAVE SEEN AS THE AIRPORT'S GROWN, WE SEE A LOT MORE RENTAL CAR BUSINESS.
WE HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE RENTAL CAR STORAGE LOT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S IN A FAIRLY UNIMPROVED SURFACE.
IT'S A COMPACTED MILLING SERVICE RATHER THAN PAVEMENT.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO IMPROVING.
ADDITIONALLY, TERMINAL ACCESSIBILITY.
ADDITIONALLY, OUR AIRPORT, PARKING OR SORRY, OUR AIRLINE PARKING RAMP.
SO WHERE YOU BOARD COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS AT THE AIRPORT IS OBVIOUSLY EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS.
SO PEOPLE ARE WALKING FROM THE BUILDING TO THE AIRCRAFT.
WE DO SEE IS THEN IN THE WINTER TIME AND DURING MONSOON SEASON, THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF PONDING THAT WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO IDENTIFY AND MAKE SOME GRADING REVISIONS THERE THAT CAN HELP MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER SURFACE FOR WALKING FOR THOSE PASSENGERS AND, WILDLIFE FENCE SKIRTING.
SO THE ENTIRE AIRPORT PERIMETER IS SURROUNDED BY A WILDLIFE AND SECURITY FENCE.
WE DO SEE SOMETIMES THAT SOME OF THE SMALLER CRITTERS HAVE WAY GETTING UNDER THAT.
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SO WE'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO SOME PROJECTS TO INSTALL SOME FENCE SKIRTING THAT WOULD HELP PREVENT, ANIMALS FROM DIGGING UNDER THAT FENCE, WHICH HELPS PREVENT WILDLIFE INCURSIONS ON THE AIRPORT. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO ADAM, WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THAT.THANK YOU. BRIAN. YOUR VICE MAYOR.
ALMOST, ALMOST DID A SLIP THERE.
I APOLOGIZE, THE NEW POSITION, RIGHT IT IS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY IT FEELS GOOD IN ANOTHER.
IT FEELS GREAT. AS RYAN INDICATED, WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK AGAIN IN MARCH 28TH.
TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
WE WANTED TO KIND OF JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND, JUMP RIGHT IN, I BELIEVE, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT A SNOW MOBILE BUILDING.
WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE THAT ON THE DOCKET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT, SOLICITATION OUT FORWARD.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT IRONED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO RIGHT NEXT TO THE TERMINAL, WE HAVE, WHAT'S KNOWN AS TAXIWAY WHISKEY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THAT OVER.
YES. CATCHMENTS? NO. WELL, THAT.
CAN YOU GO OVER THAT LAST BIT? NO. THE THING ABOUT WHISKEY.
THANK YOU FOR LIBERTY, I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EXCITING PROJECT.
NEXT, COUPLE PROJECTS WE'VE GOT PLANNED UP FOR THIS YEAR IS, RUNWAY.
WE CALL IT RUNWAY PAVEMENT REPAIR.
THAT'S JUST MORE OF A PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROJECT.
SO WE WANT TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT OUR PAVEMENTS DOING UNDERNEATH THERE.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME FUNDING FROM THE STATE, TO HELP US WITH THAT.
WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT OUR ULTIMATE STRENGTH IS.
AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING CARRIERS BRINGING LARGER AIRCRAFT IN THERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IT TO, MAKE OUR RUNWAY LAST AS LONG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT IT'S MORE OF A REVAMP OF WHAT I JUST DISCUSSED.
SO ALL THREE OF THOSE AGENCIES ARE COMING TOGETHER ON THAT PROJECT.
THOSE ARE ALL FUNDED THROUGH STATE.
SO THAT'LL BE A STATE AND LOCAL PROJECT.
THE LAND ACQUISITION IS JUST NORTH OF THE AIRPORT WITHIN OUR, RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH, THE FOREST SERVICE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND STACEY BC AS WELL, SEEING IF WE CAN ACQUIRE THAT LAND.
AND THAT'LL BE ADJACENT TO WHERE EVENTUALLY J.W.
PAUL WILL COME INTO LAKE MARY.
QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHERE THAT LAND ACQUISITION WAS.
WHAT ABOUT AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO BRIAN BEFORE.
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YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER MATTHEWS.THAT'S BOTH A MIX OF HANGARS AND AIRCRAFT PARKING SHADES.
THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THE FLAGSTAFF AIRPORT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING ACROSS, INDUSTRY AT THE MOMENT, ESPECIALLY IN ARIZONA.
BUT, WE ARE LOOKING INTO SOME OPTIONS FOR POTENTIALLY ADDING SOME SPACE THERE.
SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING TO RICK TADDER ABOUT, MAYBE FINDING A WAY TO DO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE PROJECTS ARE THOSE ONES THAT DON'T SCORE VERY WELL FOR GROUND SUPPORT.
SO THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO FUND INTERNALLY.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO FOR THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE, SUBMITTING AN RFP FOR SOME OF THE VARIOUS PARCELS AROUND THE AIRPORT THAT ARE CURRENTLY STILL UNDEVELOPED, WHERE WE COULD ALLOW A BUSINESS TO COME IN AND HAVE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WHERE WE THEY WOULD PAY US SOME SORT OF RENT AND THEN HAVE PRIVATELY AVAILABLE HANGARS THAT THEY COULD RENT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE COULD ADD STORAGE SPACE THAT WAY.
BUT WE ARE EXPLORING BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS AT THE MOMENT.
POWELL, THERE'S ALSO SOME BETWEEN THE ROAD AND OUR PERIMETER FENCE.
KIND OF LIKE A ZONING, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
WE'VE BROKEN THEM THROUGH, BROKEN THEM DOWN INTO WHAT? THOSE FUNDING SOURCES, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THEM TO BE.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT OFF THE TOP, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PROJECTS, AND THEN WE HAVE STATE AND LOCAL PROJECTS, AND THEN WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME STATE PROJECTS AND FEDERAL PROJECTS JUST BY THEMSELVES.
I WILL NOTE THAT, WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR REVISED CIP TO THE FAA FOR THEIR REVIEW.
AND, FIRST BLUSH, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTEN THE GREEN LIGHT ON THAT SO FAR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE FINAL DETERMINATIONS COME OUT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE IN LOCKSTEP WITH US AS WELL.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING PROJECTS BACK AND TALK A LOT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THOSE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, PLEASE CLOSE F-35 LAST NIGHT.
QUESTION OF THE DAY WAS NOT A CESSNA.
I, I CAN, I CAN I CAN SAY IT WAS NOT ASSESSMENT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT BEING A PUBLIC USE AIRPORT IS THAT FOLKS DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR OUR PERMISSION TO COME IN UNLESS THEIR AIRCRAFT IS OUTSIDE THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF OUR AIRPORT. SO IN THE CASE OF, SAY, A LARGE CARGO AIRCRAFT, THAT MIGHT GIVE US A CALL SO WE CAN COMPARE IT TO THE PAVEMENT STRENGTH THAT WE HAVE.
AND IN FACT, THEY ACTUALLY DID NOT LAND AT THE AIRPORT.
THEY PASSED BY IT, BUT THEY NEVER ACTUALLY TOUCHED DOWN ANYWHERE.
SO, WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT WAS MULTIPLE TIMES OR MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT.
YEAH. IT WAS, AFTER THE HOURS WHEN OUR TOWER OPERATES.
SO THE AIRSPACE WAS WHAT THEY CALL A CTAF, WHICH IS COMMON TRAFFIC ADVISORY FREQUENCY.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE PILOTS SORT OF TALK IT OUT AMONGST THEMSELVES AS THEY COME IN ON APPROACH.
WHAT IS YOUR BEST GUESS? MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE IT'S PROBABLY F-35S.
F-35S ARE BECOMING ONE OF THE MOST NUMEROUS FIGHTERS IN AMERICA'S INVENTORY.
SO, PROBABLY THE BEST GUESS, BUT NO WAY TO SAY FOR SURE.
THERE'S AN F-35, HAVE A NAME LIKE LIGHTNING.
LIGHTNING TWO, ACTUALLY NAMED AFTER THE, THE, P-38 FROM.
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NEGATIVE. GHOST RIDER THE INVISIBLE.I'M GOING TO COVER THE NEXT TWO PROJECTS.
SO. AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OFF, HAND IT OVER TO SHANNON AND OR MATT.
THIS IS THE INTER-BASIN PIPELINE PROJECT.
AND THIS PROJECT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE RECENT WILDLAND FIRES THAT WE'VE HAD ON THE PEAKS.
SO THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO REAMER, FIX THE WATER LINES AND ALSO STABILIZE THE ROAD.
AND THIS PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND.
HE HAD RECEIVED A GRANT OF $16 MILLION.
SO THIS PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THE GRANT.
WE HAVE TO DO WE HAVE TO FUND THE PROJECT, BUT WE WILL GET REIMBURSED.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WE'VE HAD THREE GROUPS BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVE.
WE'VE SPENT ABOUT $5 MILLION SO FAR ON THIS PROJECT.
SO WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 9 MILLION TO GO OR 11 MILLION TO GO.
THIS PROJECT IS BEING DELIVERED BY A DESIGN BUILD.
OUR BUILDER IS HUNTER CONTRACTING AND OUR DESIGNER IS JACOBS ENGINEERING.
SO WE SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF 2025.
BUT THIS WAS A GREAT TEAM PROJECT.
IT DID RECEIVE A CITY MANAGER DESIGN TEAM.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT RECOGNITION AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE DESIGN TEAM.
NEXT PROJECT IS THE RIO DE FLAG.
SO THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR ALMOST FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND WHEN I STARTED WITH THE CITY, IT WAS JUST GETTING FAMILIAR WITH IT.
BUT I'VE KIND OF BEEN THERE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT NOT PART OF THE TEAM, BUT JUST KNOW ABOUT HOW IT'S, GONE OVER TWO DECADES AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS, A LOT OF GOOD MEETINGS GOING ON, A LOT OF GREAT EXECUTION DISCUSSION, A LOT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE ARMY CORPS AND THE CITY.
SO WE DID SOME MORE JOINT MEETINGS TO COORDINATE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
IT IS A PRIORITY THROUGH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
AND IN THAT MEETING, WE WE ALSO SIGNED A PROJECT PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT FOR THE DOWNTOWN LATERAL.
THIS LATERAL IS NOT QUITE RELATED.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE RIO, BUT IT'S RELATED TO THE RAIL BECAUSE IT ALL HAS TO DRAIN TO THE RIO.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ABOUT 122 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS BEING, DISSEMINATED BY THE ARMY CORPS.
THE CITY IS THE NONFEDERAL SPONSOR.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS ON THE MAP, IT SAYS PHASES AND JUST.
I'LL LAST MONTH OR SO WE'VE CHANGED THOSE TO STAGES.
STAGE ONE IS EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND EVERYTHING NORTH.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE PLANNING ON DELIVERING STAGE ONE WITH WE'RE GOING TO HELP THE ARMY CORPS EXECUTE A CONTRACT, POSSIBLY AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. AND IT'LL GO FOR THREE YEARS.
AND THEN WE WILL WORK ON STAGE TWO, POSSIBLY THREE YEARS OUT.
AND THEN THAT PROJECT WILL TAKE STAGE TWO WILL TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER THREE YEARS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 6 TO 7 YEARS FOR THE TOTAL COMPLETION OF THE RIO DE FLAG FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT.
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WE'RE ADJACENT TO THEIR RAILWAY.YOU'LL ALSO SEE A DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER TO OUR CONSULTANT NUMBER 18.
THAT JUST ALSO REPRESENTS HOW LONG THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING.
OUR CONSULTANT HAS BEEN WORKING HARD.
AND LASTLY, WE WILL BRING MORE ADDITIONAL REAL ESTATE.
HE TALKED SEVERAL MEETINGS ABOUT ACQUISITIONS, AND THAT'S THOSE ARE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR CORRIDOR FOR THE ARMY CORPS TO DELIVER THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S THE RIO DE FLAG.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL COVER THOSE MORE IN DEPTH ON MARCH 28TH.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ALSO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THAT.
BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PROJECTS ARE MULTI YEAR PROJECTS.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR THEIR COST MODELING AND MODIFICATIONS.
THERE'S STILL SOME ASSUMPTIONS IN THAT COST MODELING.
ON THE RASCAL PROJECT'S UPCOMING.
SO RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ALSO IN TWO PHASES.
SO WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE RASCAL ON THE PHASE ONE FOR WATER SERVICES IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE EVALUATION OF WATER METERS, WORKING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND WAIT. AND SO, SO METERS HAVE BEEN ORDERED.
THOSE ARE GOING TO COME IN, GET EVALUATIONS.
SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MENTIONED HERE.
THIS IS MORE OF THE PHASE TWO.
SO IT'S BEGINNING TO COME OUT OF PHASE ONE.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
WE KNOW THAT CAN THAT CAN BE GAINED.
SO A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS TALK ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
WE HAVE CAPITAL. WE'RE LOOKING AT INVESTING.
AND THE RESCO, IS A IS A PIECE OF THAT THROUGH THE DISCUSSION.
AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE UNDER DISCUSSIONS ON THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THAT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES ON HOW THAT LINE WOULD BE REPAIRED.
HOW DO WE DO THAT WITHOUT TAKING A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE OFFLINE FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME? AND LOOKING AT, AGAIN, THAT PHASING.
WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED? PROBABLY THROUGH THOSE TO THOSE CONSTRUCTION PERIODS.
IT IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SEVERAL MAIN BREAKS ON THIS LINE.
THEY HAVE TO BE BUILT ON SITE.
SO, SO THAT'S TO BE REMOVED AND FABRICATED TO FIT THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH THROUGH OUR AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WE CAN FIND WAYS TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT TO SOMETHING MORE STANDARDIZED AS FAR AS SIZE, TYPE OF MATERIAL, BEST APPLICATION, BUT THAT CAN STREAMLINE IN THE EVENT OF A FAILURE THAT WE CAN RESPOND MORE QUICKLY.
SO EVEN IN THIS YEAR, CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT IS THAT ASSESSMENT AND WHAT ARE THE DESIGN ALTERNATIVES THAT WE COULD LOOK FOR TO APPROACH THAT AND THAT? OF COURSE, WE'D BRING THAT BACK BEFORE THE GOVERNING BODY IF AND WHEN WE HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M ALSO PART OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO A RELATIVELY LARGE PROJECT.
ANY NUMBER I TOLD YOU TODAY WOULD BE THE WRONG NUMBER, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S MORE THAN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF PIPE, THE SIZE AND THE CONSTRUCTION CHALLENGES.
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SO THE MAP SHOWS ABOUT TWO MILES OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WOULD REALLY BE TARGETED RIGHT NOW.RIGHT NOW WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT ONE MILE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE REPLACED.
AND THEN ALLOWING US TO TO ASSESS AND LOOKING FOR STRATEGIES FOR THE OTHER ONE MILE.
SO THE PROJECT WOULD TARGET TWO MILES OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING ABOUT ONE MILE OF FULL REPLACEMENT, VERY SIMILAR TO UPPER LAKE MARY.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME STRATEGIES THAT WILL IMPLEMENT AROUND THAT.
I THINK WITH THAT AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON ON ANY OF THOSE ANYTHING.
CAN YOU, SHANNON, GO BACK TO THE, THING WITH THE BIOSOLIDS? RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE.
THANK YOU. KEEPING IT AT A HIGH LEVEL, CAN YOU JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF TALK TO THE IDEA OF BIOCHAR? I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SHARE ON THAT.
I THINK WHAT I WOULD SHARE WITH IT IS IS AGAIN, SO OUR.
OUR INDUSTRY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING, RIGHT? AND OUR ABILITY TO ASSESS THAT AND MOVE RAPIDLY ENOUGH, OUR CORE VALUES RIGHT DON'T CHANGE AS FAST.
SO I DO FEEL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THERE IS THERE IS A VALUE OF TAKING A BIOSOLID.
AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT A REUSABLE PRODUCT? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S A CURRENT WASTE AND MAKE IT, PUT IT BACK TO BENEFICIAL USE? WELL THEN WASTEWATER BIOSOLIDS IS ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO CURRENTLY BIOSOLIDS ARE DISPOSED OF RIGHT.
AND THERE AND IT'S WORK TO DO THAT.
CURRENTLY WE PRODUCE A CLASS B, MEANING THAT IT IS STABILIZED.
IT MEETS ALL THE PATHOGEN REDUCTION FACTORS.
WE MEET THE REGULATIONS AND WE CAN DO DISPOSAL.
WELL, A WHOLE SPECTRUM DEPENDING ON ON HOW YOU DELIVER THE PRODUCT.
BUT AT THE END YOU'RE LEFT WITH THE COMPOST MATERIAL AMENDMENT AND CAN BE APPLIED.
IN ADDITION, WHAT'S LISTED HERE IS A SOLAR DRYING.
SOLAR DRYING IS ANOTHER WAY THAT YOU CAN TAKE A CLASS B PRODUCT, DRY IT TO 90% CONCENTRATION AND ACHIEVE THAT SAME PATHOGEN REDUCTION, MAKING IT A USABLE PRODUCT.
AND MORE RECENTLY, BIOCHAR IS VERY SIMILAR WHERE BIOCHAR CAN TAKE THE CLASS.
IT CAN TAKE BIOSOLIDS, TAKE IT THROUGH A PYROLYSIS.
WHY HAS THAT BEEN SO MUCH OF THE RECENT CONVERSATION? BECAUSE OPPORTUNITIES SOMETIMES PRESENT THEMSELVES AND CAUSE US TO STEP BACK TO SAY THAT JUST CHANGE THE GAME FOR US.
IN ADDITION, I'M IN MY OPINION, OF THE THREE THAT I JUST MENTIONED, BIOCHAR IS, I FEEL IS THE ONLY PROCESS FOR CLASS A STABILIZATION THAT ACTUALLY MOVES UPSTREAM IN YOUR TREATMENT PROCESS.
THAT MEANING LITERAL COMPOSTING OR SELF DRYING IS ATTACHED TO THE END OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
SO I GOT TO DO EVERYTHING I'M DOING TODAY.
PLUS I DO SOMETHING ELSE AND I GET US THERE.
I FEEL WHAT'S MOST INTRIGUING FOR ME PERSONALLY IS SOMETHING WITH THE BIOCHAR AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THAT UP, WHERE MAYBE I DON'T NECESSARILY STOP DOING EVERYTHING I'M DOING NOW. BUT IF I CAN STOP DOING A PORTION OF THAT AND I'M STILL ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME THING AND NOT JUST ADDING ON TO THE END.
SO DEFINITELY SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE LUNCH AND LEARNS.
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WE'VE TALKED WITH CONSULTANTS WE'RE WORKING ON AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING, THAT ARE COMING UP QUICKLY.SEE WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN? BUT I DEFINITELY THINK, AGAIN, NOT LOSING SIGHT OF THE END GOAL ABOUT FINDING WAYS TO PUT THINGS BACK TO BENEFICIAL USE IS CRITICAL.
NOW IT'S ABOUT TIMING AND FUNDING AND HOW THAT FITS WITHIN.
SO AGAIN, IT'S REALLY SUPER EXCITING.
I'VE REALLY BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT IT A LOT.
WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND, AND DEFINITELY WORKING WITH OUR SUSTAINABILITY TEAM BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, TWO, I ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE. AND THEN WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS AND COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
AND, AND THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER.
SO HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY THAT'S SHARED SOME INFORMATION.
THANKS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A RATE STUDY FOR WATER ISSUES.
IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT? DO IS ISSUE BONDS TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS.
IT'S WITHIN THE ENTERPRISE, THE WATER.
OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL ISSUE THE BONDS NOW AND GET THE PROJECTS DONE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT.
IT INTO I WOULD SAY THAT'S MOST OF THE BONDS.
I WOULD PROBABLY MORE REFER TO RICK TADDER.
BUT, SO THESE AREN'T, PROPERTY TAX BONDS, THESE ARE BONDS ASSOCIATED THAT WILL BE PAID OFF BY WATER FEES. YES.
RICK, CAN YOU OFFER A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THAT? DOES RICK KNOW EVERYTHING? YEAH, HE WAS THE ONE NOT IN HIS HEAD.
SO I'M GOING TO. ANOTHER PROJECT.
I DIDN'T HEAR THE WHOLE QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU MAKE BIOCHAR? WELL. YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT, THESE BIG WATER PROJECTS, WE WILL ISSUE BONDS SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM DONE RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEN WE'LL ISSUE BONDS OVER SO THAT THOSE CAN BE REPAID MAYBE 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER.
BUT THESE AREN'T PROPERTY TAX BONDS.
THESE ARE BONDS THAT WILL BE PAID OFF BY THE WATER RATES.
YES, THEY NEED REVENUE BONDS REVENUE BONDS, REVENUE BONDS ARE COVERED BY THE WASTEWATER, THE WATER, WASTEWATER AND SUCH FEES AS WE GET TO BIGGER PROJECTS, REBUILDING PLANTS AND SO FORTH.
THOSE MAY BE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS HOW WE FUND THOSE.
BUT CURRENTLY THE PLAN IS TO USE REVENUE BONDS.
SO IF WE FIND SOME GRANTS WOULD BE NICE.
BUT IF WE DREAM UP SOME HORRENDOUSLY LARGE PROJECT LIKE RED GAP RANCH OR SOMETHING, WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER, PROPERTY TAX BONDS AS OPPOSED TO REVENUE BONDS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THOSE, GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO PAY FOR IT? THAT'D BE GREAT IDEAS.
SO JUST TO ADD TO THAT QUESTION, ON THE RATE STUDY, THE WATER RATE STUDY THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, THE EXERCISE, WE'RE GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND STUFF, THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING.
ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE RATE INCREASE TO PAY, TO PAY FOR THE ASSUMED GENERAL BOND OBLIGATION, AND THAT RATE INCREASE WILL PAY THE DEBT SERVICE TO IT.
OR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS NOT IN THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TODAY, IS A SEPARATE FUND BEING PAID BY SECONDARY PROPERTY TAX. SO ON THE WATER STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE'VE GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROJECTS, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS.
THE. THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS PAYING IT THROUGH A RATE INCREASE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BONDS.
IT'S JUST PAID ALL BY THE TAX.
WE PICKED IF WE PICKED ANY OF THE SCENARIOS WE WANTED TO COVER ALL OF IT.
RIGHT NOW THE SCENARIO IS PRESENTED TO US IS PUTTING IT ALL ON THE ON THE RATEPAYER.
SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.
SO THE. THE FINANCIAL MODEL, RIGHT?
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THAT BUILDS AND PRODUCES THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DOES MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.AND SO STANTEC IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK US THROUGH THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, BUT THEY DO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING ON DEBT AT CRITICAL PLACES, THAT THERE IS EXTERNAL FUNDING THAT COMES IN, BUT ULTIMATELY IT IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE MODEL MAKES.
SO RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE MODEL, IT IS ASSUMING THAT SOME OF THAT STUFF DOES OCCUR.
SO THE RATES ARE IT'S BUILT IN THE RATES PAID, THE DEBT SERVICE IN THE LONG RUN, TIME IS HOW WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PART OF IT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE WAS DEBT ASSUMED IT WAS JUST ALL, RATE, YOU KNOW, ACCUMULATION.
OKAY. YEAH. THE OTHER THING IS CAPACITY FEES AND.
THAT CONVERSATION. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS COULD BE CAPACITY FEEDS.
SO IT'S BUILT INTO A COLLECTION OF THOSE.
THEN THERE'S THE REPLACEMENT THAT'S RATE AND DEBT FUNDED.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS THINKING ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY TO THINK, WELL, THIS IS BIG MONEY AND ARE WE CONSIDERING FUNDING IT OUT? I MEAN, THESE PROJECTS TAKE A COUPLE OF DECADES, YOU KNOW, AND YET WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT ESCALATION OF RATE INCREASES TO THE DO THESE NECESSARY PROJECTS.
I JUST WANTED TO GET CLEAR ON WHERE WE ARE ASSUMING SOME DEBT OR WAS JUST ASSUMING IT ALL ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RATE INCREASE AND THE CONSTRUCTION FEES.
AND THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO WATCH OVER TIME IS, IS THE DEBT TO REVENUE RATIOS.
WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR WITH DEBT WHEN IT COMES TO REVENUE BONDS AND PAYING THOSE BACK.
SO THERE'S A COMPLEX WAY TO SEE HOW WE CAN HIT THOSE TARGETS TO TO GET THESE PROJECTS MOVING.
YEAH. WELL THAT IF I MAY TO THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THE REFERENCE TO EXTERNAL FINANCING CAN'T BE, STATED TOO MUCH.
IN FACT, A NUMBER OF US MET WITH OUR STATE LOBBYISTS JUST THIS WEEK AND TALKED ABOUT THESE NEEDS.
NOT A LOT OF MONEY AT THE STATE LEVEL, MORE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE'RE GOING TO LOBBY HARD FOR WHATEVER'S OUT THERE TO HELP US.
AND WE HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD.
WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET UP.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF COSTS ON THESE WASTEWATER PROJECTS AND IT'S AN ENORMOUS.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEBT ISSUANCE RATE ADJUSTMENTS, GRANTS, LOANS, WHAT HAVE YOU, DIRECT APPROPRIATIONS.
AND WE HAVE TIME, TO BE STRATEGIZING AS TO HOW TO DO THAT.
SO THE RATE IS ONE PIECE OF THAT, BUT.
CERTAINLY THE RATEPAYERS CANNOT SHOULDER THE AGGREGATE COSTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S A GREAT THING. SO, IF WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, IF WE HAVE ANY.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YES. HEY, STEVE, CAN WE GET YOU TO JUST COME UP AND GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE, BY THE WAY.
YOU'RE WELCOME. TWICE THANKFUL TO.
YEAH. I WAS WONDERING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND SOMEWHERE, I SAW A PRESENTATION SOMEWHERE AT THE CITY COUNCIL, OR MAYBE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. WHERE IS THE J.W.
POWELL EXTENSION, WHICH WAS GOING TO OPEN UP A BUNCH OF LAND FOR HOUSING.
WHERE IS THAT? I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE.
BUDGET PRESENTATION, BUT I COULD SPEAK ABOUT JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
IT IS ALIVE AND DOING WELL IS THE QUICK ANSWER.
WHEN I SAY WE. I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT GENEROUS HERE.
I TRY TO BE AT THE TABLE, BUT THERE'S A TEAM OF PLANNERS, ENGINEERS, ATTORNEYS.
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AND, REAL ESTATE PEOPLE AND, AND, OTHERS THAT I'M PROBABLY NOT MENTIONING, ALONG WITH THE, THANK YOU. TREVOR, ALONG WITH OUR, AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND PARTNERS ON THIS.THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN FRUITFUL.
WE ARE, TWEAKING THE ALIGNMENT, GETTING TO A FINAL ALIGNMENT.
AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT SOME TIME IN THE NEAR TERM.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF THE LAND USE THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TIME WISE.
THE HOPE WOULD BE TO GET THE ALIGNMENT, THE REFINED ALIGNMENT IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL IN THE NEAR TERM AND START TALKING ABOUT, FUNDING STRATEGIES FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF.
SOME OF THIS WOULD BE BOND FUNDED WITH EXISTING FUNDS.
AND OTHER SOURCES, WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE A COMBINED PROJECT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE, TO HELP FUND IT.
SO THE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SLATED FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
JOANNE, OR ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THESE, DISCUSSIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO IT? YEAH. TREVOR. YEAH.
SO THE JOHN WESLEY POWELL ALIGNMENT PROJECT IS STILL IN THE WORKS AS CITY MANAGER MENTIONED.
WE'RE STILL DOING A LOT OF COORDINATION.
WE'RE WORKING ACTIVELY WITH THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS AREA.
SO CANYON, DEL RIO, JUNIPER POINT, LITTLE AMERICA.
SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THEM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THIS ALIGNMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.
AND RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY THERE'S A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT IS GOING TO IT'S IN THE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET KICKED OFF SOON IF NOT ALREADY.
AND THAT'S A PLANNING EFFORT THAT KIND OF LOOKS AT THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS AREA, WHICH MR. CITY MANAGER CLIFTON TALKED ABOUT, KIND OF THE COMMUNITY CENTERS WHERE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE WHERE CERTAIN CENTERS INTERSECTIONS WILL GO.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TRYING TO KICK OFF THE DESIGN.
THE CITY IS TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH THEM, GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE SO THAT WE COULD ACTIVELY GET THIS PROJECT DESIGNED, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT CONSTRUCTING. SO RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 40% OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
AND THAT WILL BE FUNDED WITH PROPOSITION FOR 19 FUNDS.
THE 60% WILL BE THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO A LOT OF IT IS STILL IN THE WORKS.
WE HOPE TO HAVE THE DESIGN AND THE SPECIFIC PLAN COMPLETED THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.
START LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER FOR CONSTRUCTION.
ARE WE GOING TO DO IT AS A CMR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK? ARE WE GOING TO DO A DESIGN BUILD.
SO THOSE ARE JUST DIFFERENT METHODS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
HOPE THAT HELPED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR.
WHAT ELSE? HAVE ANYTHING? NO. YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH READY TO GET OUT OF HERE ABOUT, 48 MINUTES EARLY.
SO, DID YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS FOR US? JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY, WHO PRESENTED AND EQUALLY, EXPRESSED THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE LISTENED AND JUST BEEN A PART OF THIS GREAT DISCUSSION, COULD RETREAT.
WE ANTICIPATE TOMORROW TO BE AN ABBREVIATED DAY, MEANING THE AFTERNOON.
I THINK I CAN SAY EARLIER THAN TODAY.
YEAH, RIGHT AROUND 1:00 OR SO.
SO, AS WE CLOSE, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITMENT THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE MADE TO MAKING FLAGSTAFF SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE WITH.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO LIVE HERE, BUT PEOPLE KEEP COMING HERE TO LIVE.
AS YOU GET IN YOUR IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL GROUPS, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE HAS MADE SUCH A COMMITMENT.
AND I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.
AND I KNOW I SAID EARLIER THAT I WOULDN'T PREACH, BUT I DIDN'T MEAN IT, SO I DIDN'T.
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BUT THIS IS WHAT I DO MEAN. THERE'S A WORD.OKAY? AND THIS SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO ALL OF THE GREAT WORK THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM DOES.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THIS WORD SAYS.
IT SAYS, LET US NOT BECOME WEARY IN DOING GOOD.
SOME TRANSLATIONS SAY LOSE HEART, FOR IN DUE TIME WE WILL REAP A HARVEST.
IF WE DON'T GIVE UP, YOU WILL SEE THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR.
SO JUST DON'T GET TIRED OF DOING THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO.
WE'LL SEE YOU BACK TOMORROW MORNING.
MAYOR. LAST WORD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.