Feb 21, 2024 Heritage Preservation Commission

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ALL RIGHT.

[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]

I KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS. FEBRUARY 21ST MEETING OF THE HERITAGE FLAGSTAFF HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

WE WILL START WITH A ROLL CALL.

EMILY DALE.

PRESENT. SHELLI DEA.

AMY BUCKHAM. PRÉSENT.

ABBY BUCKHAM.

PRESENT. THANK YOU, I APOLOGIZE.

ALICIA HAYES.

PRESENT. DUFFIE, DUFFIE WESTMINSTER, MINOR, WESTHEIMER.

HERE. THAT'S EVERYONE.

SORRY. I WAS WAITING FOR BERNADETTE'S NAME.

[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]

THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THESE LANDS, STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.

WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO ARE WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM.

I'M ALSO JUST NOW REALIZING THAT COMMISSIONER HAYES FIRST NAME IS MISSPELLED IN THE ROLL CALL FOR TODAY'S MINUTES, AND SO WE SHOULD GET THAT FIXED.

I WAS LIKE, THAT LOOKS WEIRD.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA.

[A. Approve the minutes of the January 17, 2024 Heritage Preservation Commission. REQUESTED ACTION: Review and possible approval of minutes.]

DUFFY, DO YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND LIKE YOU DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU KEEP OUR RECORDS PERTINENT.

OR ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS OR CORRECTIONS.

I DID HAVE A COUPLE.

IT'S UNDER NUMBER SIX.

I GUESS IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PARIS HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW. ON PAGE THREE.

DO I HAVE TO HOLD THIS? SEEMS LIKE IT. OKAY.

THE SECOND OF THE BOTTOM SECOND OF THE LAST PARAGRAPH.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE, AND SOME LIKE THE BUILDINGS BEING SCRAPPED INSTEAD OF SCRAPED.

JUST LITTLE THINGS THAT DENY, I DON'T KNOW.

DENIED INSTEAD OF DENY.

SO IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST READ IT OVER ON STAFF, YOU'LL CATCH ALL THOSE THINGS.

I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

JUST SOME BASIC GRAMMAR AND.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH AMENDMENTS.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I. I.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

[A. Caitlin Kelly Plaque presentation. Presentation of Heritage Preservation Commission Service Plaque to Caitlin Kelly, acknowledging service from January 2019 to November 2023.]

WE'LL. I THINK YOU RECOGNIZE THIS PERSON WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING NOW.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT YOU SPEND.

SO WE HAVE A PLAQUE THAT WE GIVE OUT THAT TALKS ABOUT YOUR SERVICE.

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, JANUARY 2019 THROUGH 2023 OF NOVEMBER AND THE THAT'S A PICTURE OF FLAGSTAFF EARLY FLAGSTAFF. AND IT SAYS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO FIND A HOME ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR REAL ESTATE EFFORTS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

SO. YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING SO YOUR KIDS KNOW HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED IT.

AND MAYBE I'LL BE BACK SOMEDAY.

BUT AND THANK YOU FOR THIS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOLUNTEER AND YOUR HARD WORK AS WELL.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR NEARLY FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THAT LONG.

COVID BROKE IT.

SO ESPECIALLY DURING SUCH A HARD TIME.

WELL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU AGAIN, COMMISSIONER KELLY.

[A. Phase 1 Historic Resource Study for Peris House in Flagstaff. PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 605 W Riordan Rd Assessor's Parcel Number: 103-04-009B Property Owner: Sh Flagstaff Holding LLC Applicant: Jll (representing Chick-fil-A City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Accept the resubmitted Historic (Cultural) Resource Study for the Peris house, as submitted by Cornerstone Environmental Consulting,LLC. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Accept the revised Cultural Resource Study with included edits of more imagery of Mill Town housing, maps, and working with descendants on further and accurate information. Mitigation in the form of one complete interpretive plaque installation at the Peris Home site and the inclusion of the cost of production of a second mitigation plaque with a donation to the Riordan Action Network, affiliated with Riordan Mansion State Park.The Peris House plaque text, layout and content produced by Cornerstone shall be shared with Riordan State Park so that an identical physical plaque can be produced and the text and photos for the Riordan Plaque be similar and interrelated. A small area shall be reserved for inclusion of a QR code to be added later for supplemental information supporting the concept of future additional installations along the Riordan Road corridor.]

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THAT IS COMING BACK TO US SINCE LAST MONTH.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION? YEAH. MADAM CHAIR, I'LL INTRODUCE IT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE CORNERSTONE.

ON THE CALL AS WELL.

WE HAVE JOSH EDWARDS TRYING TO GET INTO THE MEETING.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT THOSE SCREENS THERE? THIS IS HARD TO SEE FROM.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT IS ON THAT SCREEN.

MARK, WAS THERE ANYBODY TRYING TO COME INTO THE NO NOT CURRENTLY.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL JUST I WILL START OUT.

SO THIS IS FOR THE SECOND REVIEW OF THE PARIS HOUSE AND THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.

PREVIOUS SUBMITTED CULTURAL RESOURCE NOTED THE NEED FOR TWO PLAQUES, BUT DID NOT INCLUDE A SPECIFIC COMMITMENT TO INDIRECT IMPACTS TO REARDON STATE PARK AND PROVIDING COMMENSURATE MITIGATION WITH ONLY THE PARIS HOME SITE AS THE SPECIFIC COMMITMENT.

HERITAGE PRESERVATION 1030.30, ZONING REQUIRES ADDRESSING BOTH DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES.

WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024.

THE MEETING WAS WITH THE CULTURAL RESOURCE CONSULTANT AND CHICK FIL A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES CLARIFYING REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDRESSING INDIRECT IMPACTS TO REARDON STATE PARK, WITH THE CONTRIBUTION OF $3,000 FOR THE PHYSICAL PRODUCTION OF A PLAQUE, BRACKET AND POSTS.

THIS EXCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESEARCH AND TEXT WRITING OF THE STATE PARK PLAQUE TO BE PROVIDED BY OTHERS, BUT WAS SHARED INFORMATION TO COORDINATE PLAQUES AS A SERIES TO BE POTENTIALLY EXPANDED UPON.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND EDITS WERE PROVIDED BY THE CONSULTANT IN THE NEW SUBMITTED DOCUMENT.

AND JOSH EDWARDS FROM CORNERSTONE WAS PLANNING ON DOING A REMOTE PRESENTATION, BUT I DON'T SEE HIM.

MARK, THIS IS LINDSAY SCHUBE.

MARK OR JOSH IS TRYING TO GET ON, SO I JUST SENT HIM ANOTHER LINK, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I SHOULD PROBABLY SAY FOR YOUR RECORD, LINDSAY SCHUBE, GAMMAGE AND BURNHAM, 40, NORTH CENTRAL, PHOENIX, ARIZONA.

GOT IT. YEAH, I GOT IT.

HEY! COME ON. THERE HE IS.

ALL RIGHT. MARK PUT HIS PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN.

IT WILL. HE JUST NEEDS TO SHARE IT.

THIS IS JOSH, I AM ONLINE.

YES. WELCOME, JOSH, MARK JUST GAVE US THE OVERVIEW OF THE FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING.

AND THE MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE PLAQUE.

SO WE'RE READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION WHENEVER YOU ARE.

I DON'T HAVE SO MUCH OF A PRESENTATION AS JUST AN UPDATE THAT WE ADDRESS COMMENTS TO REPORT FROM THE COMMISSION FROM NIKKI AND DAVE AT RIORDAN MANSION STATE PARK, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL.

AND THAT INCLUDED ADDING TWO MAPS THAT WERE SANBORN MAPS SHOWING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPERTY TO MILLTOWN. AND I THINK THOSE CAME OUT PRETTY NICE.

AND ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MILLTOWN IN THAT SECTION AS WELL.

AND I ALSO INTERVIEWED TOM EIKMEIER, WHO I HAD TRIED TO INTERVIEW PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE REPORT WAS DONE, BUT HE INDICATED HE DID NOT WANT TO TALK TO ME.

BUT THEN HE SHOWED UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND SPOKE, AND I GUESS HE GOT MORE INTERESTED IN IT.

AND SO WE TALKED A COUPLE TIMES AND THAT WAS NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION REALLY ABOUT SALVADORAN FLORENCE'S LIFE.

BUT HE DID GIVE ME SOME GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY RIPPED OUT NOW.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS HELPFUL.

AND THEN WE HAD THE MEETING WITH MARK AND THE CHICK FIL A'S REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEY AGREED TO, IN ADDITION TO MAKING THESE REVISIONS AND STUFF, TO INSTALL A PLAQUE AT THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MARK, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH. WITH THAT INFORMATION, I'M FEELING COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH BOTH THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT EFFECTS ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE PARIS HOUSE AND ALSO THE INDIRECT IMPACTS FOR REARDON STATE PARKS. JUST ONE QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

JOSH, THE MAPS THAT YOU MENTIONED GOT ADDED.

ARE THOSE FIGURES FIVE AND SIX IN THE, THOSE LOOK LIKE THE MOST SANBORNI.

YEAH, YEAH, THE SANBORN MAPS.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER DALE, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD A CHANCE.

IF THEY. OH, YES. DO ANY MEMBERS.

OKAY. LET ME JUST.

SO JOSH AND MARK, IS THAT ALL FROM YOU? YEAH. OKAY.

AND I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDED MOTION THAT'S SIMPLIFIED.

OKAY. SO WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT AND THEN COMMISSION COMMENT, AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF MARK AND JOSH HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AGAIN IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

AND MAKE SURE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

YES. THIS IS NIKKI LOBER, PARK MANAGER OF RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK.

SORRY. CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? MARK IS VERY TALL.

IS THAT BETTER? YEAH.

THERE YOU GO. YES.

I'M DEFINITELY NOT AS TALL AS MARK.

NIKKI LOBER, RIORDAN MANSION STATE HISTORIC PARK MANAGER.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT IN MARK'S MEMO, HE MENTIONS THAT THE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 12TH WAS IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT CHICK FIL A BE ACKNOWLEDGED ON EACH PLAQUE.

I HAVE INQUIRED WITH THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP AT ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS, ASKING IF THIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT WILL BE PERMITTED WITH STATE POLICIES.

I HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN ANSWER ON THAT YET, SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? WANT TO COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION, WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? DUFFIE? SURE. SO THERE WAS SOME GOOD THINGS ADDED TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, BUT IT'S IN THE MINUTES.

AND SO I'M SURE THAT WHOEVER WAS TAKING NOTES NOTED THAT WE ALL WANTED ALSO A MAP SHOWING THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PARIS HOUSE WITH RIORDAN MANSION, AND THAT WAS NOT ADDED.

AND THAT COULD BE ADDED IN A ON A COUPLE OF EXISTING FIGURES, WHICH YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. IT'S ON A COUPLE OF THE MAPS ALREADY, AND COULD DEFINITELY BE ADDED PRETTY EASILY, BUT IT'S.

IF YOU WORKED FOR THE REARDONS THEMSELVES.

I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED BEFORE I CAN APPROVE THIS.

BUT I REALLY LIKE THAT THE FAMILY TREE AND THE SANBORN'S WERE ADDED.

THAT'S GREAT. OH YEAH.

IT COULD BE ADDED TO FIGURE FOUR, FIGURE 37 AND FIGURE 39.

THE RELATIONSHIP WITH REARDON MANSION, BECAUSE HE WAS THEIR CHAUFFEUR, HE WAS THEIR FRIEND.

THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL.

OH, AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW PLOWING HAS BEEN DONE THIS PAST STORM, WHEREVER THAT PLAQUE IS PUT IN THAT PARKING LOT, PLEASE BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT PROTECTING IT FROM PLOW DRIVERS WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW IT'S THERE OR MIGHT NOT CARE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS PUTTING TREES AROUND IT OR TO THE SIDE OR SOMETHING, BUT BEING REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT SO IT ISN'T DESTROYED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY UNFORTUNATE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OH, YES.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING ABOUT ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THAT PLAQUE.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.

LIKE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT IF IT DOES GET HIT BY A PLOW DRIVER? OH NO PROBLEM. YOU CAN SAY AS MANY THINGS AS YOU WANT.

WESTHEIMER. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST I DO.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT KIND OF FAMILY RELATIONSHIP HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND I DID NOT THINK ABOUT SNOW, SO THAT IS SMART.

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ANY COMMENTS? I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.

I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A MAP THAT SHOWS RELATIONSHIP TO REARDON MANSION, AND THAT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION ABOUT PROTECTING IT FROM SNOW REMOVAL.

MAYBE BALLARDS OR SOMETHING.

COMMISSIONER DEA. I CONCUR WITH ALL THAT'S BEEN STATED AS WELL.

VERY, VERY GOOD POINTS.

SO MARK, GIVEN THAT, DID YOU GUYS DISCUSS ONGOING MAINTENANCE OR RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY'RE PUTTING $3,000 TO MAKE THE PLAQUE PART OF IT, BUT THEN WHO IS PAYING FOR THE.

WRITING OF THE INTERPRETATION, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO FALL TO RIORDAN MANSION OR.

YEAH, I'LL GO OVER THAT QUICKLY.

AND IT CAN BE ADDED TO IF NECESSARY.

SO PLAQUE NUMBER ONE AT THE ACTUAL PARIS HOUSE SITE IS SITE PLANNED LANDSCAPING, ALONG WITH ALL THE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS.

IT APPEARS TO BE IN A QUITE A SAFE PLACE ALLOCATED, STILL ORIENTED TOWARD THE SIDEWALK.

CORNERSTONE ENVIRONMENTAL.

JOSH WILL BE TAKING ALL THE RESEARCH THAT HE'S DONE IN WRITING THE TEXT FOR THAT, ALLOCATING PICKING 2 OR 3 PICTURES.

AND THEN I'D ALSO PUT IN A PROVISION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHICH SAVING A PLACE FOR A QR CODE SO THAT THIS LARGER CONCEPT OF YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DOING MORE WORK ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS POSSIBLE WITH MORE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE.

THE SECOND PLAQUE IS JUST FOR THE PHYSICAL PRODUCTION AND THE MOUNTING BRACKET AND THE POLE AND RIORDAN MANSION.

IT ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT INTERPRETATION THEMSELVES PREVIOUSLY, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF COORDINATION IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING PROGRESSION OF POTENTIAL OTHER INSTALLATIONS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENCY IN THE PLAQUE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THAT THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF OF INTEGRATION ON THAT.

AND I HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION AND I SAID ON THE HISTORY OF THE ARIZONA LUMBER AND TIMBER COMPANY.

THEY HAVE A NICE LITTLE PONDEROSA PINE BOW ON IT, AND THAT WAS KIND OF SUGGESTION, A UNIFYING, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS LOOK.

SO I THINK THAT PROJECT IS COULD BE ON ITS WAY.

SO TO WRAP THIS UP.

FULL PRODUCTION.

PROFESSIONAL PRODUCTION OF THE PLAQUE AT THE PARISH HOUSE SITE, AND THEN COORDINATION AND FUNDING FOR PRODUCTION AT REARDON MANSION.

IS THE PLAQUE GOING TO BE FACING THE ONE AT THE PARISH HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE FACING RIORDAN OR MILTON? IT'S GOING TO BE RIORDAN ROAD.

OKAY. YEAH. GOOD.

SO. THAT RIGHT THERE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER IS WHERE I SEE.

IS THAT THE CORNER OF MILTON AND REARDON OR REARDON AND A LITTLE FURTHER IN.

OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT SIZE IS THE PLAQUE? IS IT ON A SINGLE POLE OR TWO? ON A SINGLE POLE.

AND THERE ARE ABOUT 24 BY 20.

THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE 250 WORDS ABOUT.

AND TWO PICTURES AND A GRAPHIC.

AND THEY'RE ANODIZED ALUMINUM IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE USED IN OTHER SPOTS.

SO THEY'RE QUITE VANDAL RESISTANT AND THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

YEAH, IT'S OUTLINED IN THE STAFF MEMO ON THE LAST PAGE.

I HAVE A RECOMMENDED MOTION YOU CAN ADD TO IT.

BUT YES, WHY DON'T I READ A SIMPLIFIED RECOMMENDED MOTION THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS? MY STAFF MEMO RECOMMENDED MOTION FOR THE PARIS HOUSE IS ACCEPT THE REVISED CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY WITH INCLUDED EDITS AND MITIGATION IN THE FORM OF ONE COMPLETE INTERPRETIVE PLAQUE INSTALLED AT THE PARIS HOME SITE, WITH SPACE RESERVED FOR A FUTURE QR CODE AND THE INCLUSION OF THE COST OF THE PHYSICAL PRODUCTION OF A SECOND MITIGATION PLAQUE WITH DONATION TO THE REARDON ACTION NETWORK HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER TO CONFIRM DONATION AND COMPLIANCE WITH MITIGATION PRODUCTS.

AND YOU MAY ADD OR ACCEPT.

SO LET'S SAY THAT WE DID WANT ANOTHER MAP THAT HIGHLIGHTS REARDON MANSION.

DOES THAT MEAN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, OR COULD WE TRUST YOU TO ENSURE THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED? THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.

OKAY, I FOLLOW THROUGH.

I'M JUST THINKING OF WAYS THAT IT WOULDN'T NEED TO TAKE US ANOTHER MONTH OR THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE..

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AND WE WILL ALSO AGREE TO MAINTAIN THE PLAQUE, PLAQUE NUMBER ONE ON OUR PROPERTY.

AND LAST, WITH REFERENCE TO THE COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE CHICK FIL A REFERENCED ON THE PLAQUE, BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BE APPROVED, WE'RE ALSO OKAY TAKING OUR LOGO OFF, SO WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT TO.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARK.

THAT'S NICE OF MISS SCHUBE TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN IT.

THAT'S GREAT.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY NO LONGER ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PROPERTY? CAN WE LINK IT TO WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE AS WELL? SO IT CAN'T BE TAKEN DOWN BY A FUTURE OWNER? I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

SO. IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD GET AN ANSWER ON? LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO CONSULT THE.

YEAH. IT'S A GOOD THING TO RESEARCH IF WE CAN CARRY THESE DECISIONS THAT FAR ALONG SO.

WELL I THINK DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE LAND AS OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPER.

YEAH. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT.

MARK, THIS IS LINDSEY SCHUBE AGAIN, AND CHRISTINA RUBALCAVA COULD PROBABLY ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BUT THESE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CASES DO RUN WITH THE LAND.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL WANT TO GET YOUR OWN, BUT DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE HERE WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARE DON'T FOLLOW THE OWNER OF THE LAND.

THEY FOLLOW THE LAND LIKE A ZONING CASE.

SO STIPULATIONS OF APPROVAL, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL WILL BE WITH THE LAND NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHOM THE OWNER IS.

JUST AN ARCHITECT AND NOT A LAWYER.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD TO KNOW.

SO IF WE DID WANT AMENDMENTS COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONERS, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE AGAIN NEXT MONTH OR, BUT IT JUST BE PROVIDED WITH THE AGENDA SO WE CAN JUST SEE WHAT THE MAPS LOOK LIKE.

THAT WILL APPROVE IT, AS LONG AS WE SEE THE MAPS NEXT MONTH, AND THEN IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE LIKE AN ACTION ITEM NEXT MONTH.

YEAH, I MEAN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE.

BUT AND I THINK CHICK FIL A WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED.

YES. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A QUALITY CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY.

AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND WE DO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO DIRECT AND INDIRECT IMPACTS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROCEED AND TO HAVE ME FOLLOW UP ON COMPLIANCE.

OKAY. THAT WOULD JUST BE PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE MAKE THEN.

ALL RIGHT. DOES A COMMISSION MEMBER WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION? CAN WE JUST READ THE THING THAT MARK READ EARLIER? OH, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH. I JUST YEAH.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC.

AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

AND. YEAH.

MY NAME IS DAVID PORTRY.

I WANTED TO BRING UP THE ISSUE OF POSSIBLY SALVAGING SOME OF THE WOOD AND WINDOWS FROM THE HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MARK INTRODUCED LAST MONTH.

HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY.

YEAH. MADAM CHAIR, THE CONSULTANT DID RECOMMEND DOING THAT.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT OR THE INSURANCE TO DO THAT, BUT THERE IS A DESIRE AND THERE IS USABLE MATERIAL THERE IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY. SO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, DAVID.

ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE PLANNING ON BASICALLY DOING MARK'S RECOMMENDED MOTION WITH THE ADDITION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SANBORN MAP AT NEXT MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SANBORN, BECAUSE THERE WERE OTHER MAPS THAT COULD BE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE, INCLUDING THE RIORDAN HOUSE IN RELATION TO THE PARIS HEALTH.

OKAY, BUT THE ONLY THING WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A MAP INCLUDED AS WELL.

OKAY. YEAH.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR CONCERNS? DUFFY? THAT YOU OKAY? OKAY, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REVISED CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY, WITH INCLUDED EDITS AND MITIGATION IN THE FORM OF ONE COMPLETE INTERPRETIVE PLAQUE INSTALLATION AT THE PRES HOUSE.

AM I SAYING THIS CORRECTLY? PARIS HOUSE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

OKAY. HOME SITE WITH SPACE RESERVED FOR A FUTURE QR CODE AND THE INCLUSION OF THE COST OF THE PHYSICAL PRODUCTION OF A SECOND MITIGATION PLAQUE

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THOSE EDITS TO US.

I THINK IT ADDED A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING DETAILS TO THE REPORT.

BUT THEN.

[8. REPORTS]

YEAH, JUST TO FILL OUT FIVE MINUTES, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE SHORT MEETING.

NOT TOO PAINFUL.

JUST MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE REPRESENTATIVE, AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I DO COMMENT ON ALL SECTION 106 UNDERTAKINGS THAT TAKE PLACE.

SO JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW I KEEP TRACKING THOSE AND ANY OF THOSE IMPACTS TO HISTORIC RESOURCES.

SO THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW, LONE TREE OVERPASS PRETTY MUCH DESIGNED ONE MORE LETTER REPORT REGARDING ONE DEMOLITION OF A SMALL METAL BUILDING THAT'S THERE.

YOU'LL BE GETTING THAT TO BE REVIEWED BY HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH.

THAT CLEARS THE WAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT OVERPASS.

THAT WAS A VOTE BY THE PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THE GREAT THING ABOUT THAT PROJECT, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE ASPECTS OF THAT, THAT CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CARS, BUT IT REALLY WILL PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY, SAFE THING.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A DRAMATIC LOOKING OVERPASS.

DOWNTOWN MILE WILL HAVE POTENTIALLY SOME IMPACTS ALONG THE WAY.

RETAINING WALLS GOES, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR CORE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE RAILROAD ADDITION DISTRICT.

SO I TRACK THAT.

AND THEN THE REALLY BIG PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS THE REALIGNMENT OF THE RIO DE FLAG, WHICH IS A GIANT EXCAVATION PROJECT THAT'S COMING RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WILL IMPACT RESOURCES.

HOW MUCH MATERIALS ARE THERE? HOW DO WE APPROACH THAT IN A CREATIVE WAY AND NOT DELAY THE PROJECT, WHICH IS A SUPER IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT WILL ULTIMATELY PROTECT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS FROM FLOODING.

SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT I TRACK, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO REPORT ON THEM AND WORK TO HAVE EVERYBODY INFORMED ABOUT IT.

SO QUESTIONS ON ON THAT.

NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US APPRAISED, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE LARGE PROJECTS DEVELOP AS THEY COME BACK TO US.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS FROM OR FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING AS I CAN'T FIND MY GAVEL.

I WILL I WILL ADJOURN US AT 4:31 BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, AND NICE, QUICK, EFFICIENT MEETING.

THANKS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.