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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY,
[1. CALL TO ORDER NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Commission and to the general public that, at this work session, the Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the Commission’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024.THIS IS THE NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO ARS 38-43102.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS WORK SESSION, THE COMMISSION MAY VOTE TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT WOULD BE FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION'S ATTORNEY ON ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA PURSUANT TO ARS 38-43103 A3.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK FOR ROLL CALL.
[2. ROLL CALL NOTE: One or more Commission Members may be in attendance telephonically or by other technological means. MARIE JONES, CHAIR CAROLE MANDINO, VICE CHAIR MARCHELL CAMP BOB HARRIS, III MARY NORTON IAN SHARP ]
>> THANK YOU AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENT At this time, any member of the public may address the Commission on any subject within their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the Commission on that day. Due to Open Meeting Laws, the Commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To address the Commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the Chair to call for Public Comment at the time the item is heard.]
AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY.DUE TO OPEN MEETING LAWS, THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR ACT ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE WAIT FOR ME TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME WE HEAR THE AGENDA ITEM.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M LOOKING ONLINE, I CAN'T SEE, BUT NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approval of the minutes from the regular meeting on Wednesday, November 08, 2023, and Wednesday, January 10, 2024.]
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023, AND FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 10TH, 2024.FIRST, WE'LL LOOK AT NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES, OR ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES?
>> I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 8, 2023.
>> THAT MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
>> ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE'S OPPOSED.
THEN IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 10TH, 2024.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 10TH, 2024 WITH THE CORRECTION ON ITEM 4 FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PF ZONE WAS THE NAME.
THEY HAD YOU HAD INDICATED YOU DOWN AS THE NAME AND I WAS THE NAME.
>> THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THAT CORRECTION. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE MOTION CARRIES.
THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PZ 190018102,
[A. Public Hearing: PZ-19-00181-02 Wildcat Industrial, 6500 E Route 66 Direct to Ordinance Rezone A request from Tony Cullum Law for a Direct to Ordinance Zoning Map Amendment of approximately 18.24 acres of real property located at 6500 E Route 66 from the Rural Residential (RR) zone with a Resource Protection Overlay (RPO) to the Heavy Industrial (HI) zone with an RPO. STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Staff believes that the proposed Zoning Map amendment is in substantial conformance with the required findings and recommends the Planning & Zoning Commission forward the request to the City Council with a recommendation for approval, subject to the following conditions: All other requirements of the Zoning Code and other City codes, ordinances, and regulations shall be met by the proposed development. Within 90 days of the approved zoning, the applicant must reconfigure the parcels to eliminate any split zoning.]
WILDCAT INDUSTRIAL ON 6500 EAST ROUTE 66.IS THERE A STAFF PRESENTATION?
>> THERE IS. ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO HEAR ME?
>> THE FRONT ONE IS NOT BRINGING HIM.
>> PERFECT. YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU GOT IT ALL SET UP.
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>> FANTASTIC. THE WIFI, IT'S A LITTLE TOUCHY HERE SO I'M GOING TO TURN MY CAMERA OFF AND THEN SHARE MY SCREEN FOR THE PRESENTATION.
FANTASTIC. ARE WE ALL ABLE TO SEE IT? HELLO, CAN YOU SEE THIS? COOL. SORRY YOU'RE REALLY SMALL.
I COULDN'T SEE THAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
MY NAME IS WESLEY WELCH AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE WILDCAT INDUSTRIAL PARK DIRECT TO ORDINANCE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
THERE'S A LITTLE OVERVIEW ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S LOCATED AT 6500 EAST ROUTE 66.
THE APPLICANT WANTS TO UTILIZE A PORTION OF THE MINE THAT'S NO LONGER VIABLE TO LEASE AS CONTRACTOR YARDS.
WE ARE REQUESTING A DIRECT TO ORDINANCE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO REZONE ABOUT 18.24 ACRES FROM THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY TO THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONE WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY.
IT SEEMS A LITTLE SILLY THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY ON SOMETHING THAT USED TO BE A MINE.
THAT'S HOW, WHENEVER WE DID THE NEW ZONING, IT GOT SWITCHED OVER.
JUST TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT, WE'RE GOING TO REZONE IT WITH THE RPO, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NOT REALLY ANY RESOURCES ON THE SITE TO PROTECT IT AT THIS POINT.
IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN OPERATED AS A VOLCANIC CINDER MINE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS A PORTION OF THE MINE THAT IS NO LONGER MINABLE.
THE APPLICANT IDENTIFIED A NEED WITHIN THE CITY FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT TO BE STORED SOMEWHERE.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A PLACE FOR THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WISHING TO DO.
THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE USE.
WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST TO REZONE INTO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
THEY WERE REQUIRED TO BRING A WATER LINE TO THE PROPERTY FOR FIRE SAFETY ISSUES BEFORE THE REZONE WAS TAKEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT MAP.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE RAIN VALLEY AREA.
THERE'S ALSO PICTURE CANYON AND THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
I KNOW WE'VE GONE OVER THIS BEFORE, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO TYPES OF ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS SO I JUST WANTED TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, AND FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, WE HAVE THE DIRECT TO ORDINANCE, WHICH TIES IT DIRECTLY TO AN APPROVED SITE PLAN, AND THEN WE HAVE A CONCEPT ZONING PLAN WHICH DOESN'T TIE IT TO A SITE PLAN, BUT COMES EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIRECT TO ORDINANCE AND TIED TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED WITH THIS.
HERE'S A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S SPLIT INTO ABOUT 15 CONTRACTOR YARDS WITH TWO SMALL EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN ON SITE.
ONE IS A SHOP AND ONE IS AN OFFICE.
THERE IS EXISTING PARKING FOR THE OFFICE AND THE SHOP, AND THERE'S NOT A PARKING REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODE FOR THE CONTRACTOR YARDS.
AS FOR IMPACT ANALYSIS, THERE ARE THREE IMPACT ANALYSES THAT ARE TRIGGERED BY CODE.
TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, A WATER SEWER IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND A STORM WATER ANALYSIS.
THERE WAS A DRAINAGE STATEMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN DRAWINGS AND APPROVED BY STORMWATER, AND THE WATER SEWER IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2019 AND APPROVED BY CITY STAFF.
2019 SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A WHILE AWAY, IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT 12-INCH WATER MAIN BEING CONSTRUCTED ALONG ROUTE 66 AND THEN WE REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO CONSTRUCT THE WATER LINE TO THEIR SITE BEFORE WE TOOK IT FOR A REASON.
WE'LL GET INTO THE FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE MET FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. THERE ARE THREE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH AND IN CONFORMANCE WITH GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND JUST SHOW THAT IT MEETS WHAT THE GENERAL PLAN SET FORTH FOR THIS LAND.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE REGIONAL PLAN IS DESIGNATED AS A FUTURE EMPLOYMENT AREA TYPE.
THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS INCLUDE MIXED USE RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT, AND THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SPACES.
THERE IS ALSO AN ANALYSIS OF GOALS AND POLICIES.
FOR THE SAKE OF THE PRESENTATION, I HAVE NOT INCLUDED THE ENTIRE ANALYSIS, BUT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE AT THE END IF YOU GUYS WISH TO.
FINDING NUMBER TWO IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED NOT TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE, OR WELFARE OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT, I CAN'T SEE THAT, WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE BECAUSE IT WAS DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODES AND REQUIREMENTS.
FINDING NUMBER 3 IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PHYSICALLY SUITABLE IN TERMS OF DESIGN, LOCATION, SHAPE, SIZE, AND THAT IT DOESN'T ENDANGER, JEOPARDIZE, OR CONSTITUTE A HAZARD TO THE PROPERTY OR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VICINITY.
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AS WE DISCUSSED, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY IDS STAFF.ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAD THEIR EYES ON IT AND APPROVED IT.
WE DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED WITH THIS REZONE UNTIL THE WATER LINE WAS EXTENDED IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THOSE FIRE HAZARDS.
WE WANTED TO TAKE EVERY STEP POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE IN CONFORMANCE AND NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH SAFETY.
AS FOR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, WE REQUIRED TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THEY WERE BOTH DONE VIRTUALLY.
FIRST ONE WAS ON AUGUST 31 OF 2020, SECOND WAS DECEMBER 18TH OF 2023.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT THAT OTHER ONE IN RIGHT BEFORE THE REZONE SINCE THAT WAS A LOT OF TIME THAT HAD ELAPSED.
THE MAJORITY OF THE ATTENDEES HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED REZONE.
THERE WAS ONE CONCERN RELATED TO TRAFFIC IF THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED FURTHER.
IT WAS EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE'RE ONLY REZONING A PORTION OF THE SITE, SO THEREFORE, IT'S NOT GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE A BUNCH MORE IMPACT.
IF THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THE SITE FURTHER, THEY WOULD NEED TO REZONE MORE PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
THERE WAS A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF SUMMARY.
SO FAR I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS, LETTERS, EMAILS, PHONE CALLS ON THIS APPLICATION.
WHICH BRINGS US TO OUR RECOMMENDATION.
STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND WOULD RECOMMEND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FORWARD THE REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: ONE IS A CLASSIC, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE SHALL BE MET BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE DID ADD THE SECOND ONE, THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE APPROVED ZONING, THE APPLICANT MUST RECONFIGURE THE PARCELS.
WE DON'T WANT THIS REZONED TO CREATE A PARCEL THAT HAS SPLIT ZONING.
THEY ARE GOING TO RECONFIGURE THE PARCELS.
SO THERE WILL JUST BE ONE PARCEL ZONED AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE GUY EKLIN FROM TONY CULLUM LAW, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, IS HERE AS WELL.
>> FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MY GENERAL COMMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD USAGE AND I'M JUST ALWAYS ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR MAYBE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
SINCE I SIT AS THE LIAISON TO THE OPEN SPACES COMMISSION, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE IMPACT WHATSOEVER TO THE AREA OF PICTURE CANYON AND THE RIO DE FLAG?
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY STRUCTURES BUILT ON THAT AREA.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE FOR STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT.
I'VE TALKED TO GUY EKLIN, I'VE READ THROUGH THE NARRATIVE, THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO LEAKAGES.
IF THERE'S ANY FLAMMABLE MATERIALS, THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
THAT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.
>> THANKS. I WAS WONDERING WHY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IS STORAGE OF MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT NOT ALLOWED? CAN YOU TOUCH ON WHY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WAS SELECTED?
>> CORRECT. THAT IS THE ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR THE USE OF CONTRACTOR YARDS.
>> BY CHANGING IT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, DOES THAT ALLOW FOR USE ON THESE PARCELS IN THE FUTURE? ANY OTHER TYPE OF USAGE THAT MIGHT BE DEEMED NOT APPROPRIATE OR INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA? IF IT'S ZONED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW AND IT SEEMS RATHER MINOR TO JUST HAVE MATERIAL AND PARKING OF CONTRACTOR VEHICLES, THAT ALL SOUNDS FINE, BUT IF IT HAD HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THE PARCEL WERE SOLD IN THE FUTURE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING SOMETHING ELSE GO IN THERE THAT FALLS UNDER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL?
>> YEAH, OF COURSE. THE DIRECT TO ORDINANCE REZONE, THAT WAS WHY THAT WAS CHOSEN.
IT'S GOING TO TIE IT DIRECTLY TO THE SITE PLAN.
THEY CAN'T COME IN WITH ANOTHER SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE THE LENGTH ON THAT IS 30 YEARS.
CHRISTINA OR ALEX MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT IT WILL AT LEAST BE 30 YEARS UNTIL ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT COULD HAPPEN ON THE SITE.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S INDEFINITELY.
I THINK YOU'RE GETTING A 30 YEARS FROM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
TYPICALLY, WE MAY HAVE THEM LAST 30 YEARS, BUT THIS ZONING IS CONDITIONED UPON THIS SPECIFIC USE.
IF THEY WANTED TO DO A DIFFERENT USE IN THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THEY'D HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY COME IN AND AMEND THE ZONING, GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS AGAIN TO ALLOW A DIFFERENT USE.
>> THEN IF THIS GOES HI AND OTHER USES IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL,
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DOES THAT LIMIT THE REZONING OF OTHER AREAS, OTHER PARCELS AROUND IT? SINCE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABUTTING OTHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONED AREAS? DOES THIS LIMIT THAT AREA? IF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS LARGER EMPLOYMENT CENTER, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS BECOMES A LIMITING FACTOR.>> DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING WESLEY OR YOU WANT?
[LAUGHTER] I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED IN THE REGIONAL PLAN AS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER, WHICH REALLY FOCUSES ANY FUTURE REZONING IN THAT AREA AS MORE COMMERCIAL LEANING INDUSTRIAL AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL USES.
A LOT OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED, RURAL RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA, I SUSPECT IS ZONED THAT WAY BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, THAT'S WHAT IT CAME IN AS.
BUT MOST OF IT IS NOT BEING ACTUALLY USED AS RESIDENTIAL.
THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES FURTHER TO THE NORTH I BELIEVE, BUT THAT EXISTING MINING IS STILL HAPPENING BETWEEN THIS PROPOSED CONTRACTOR'S YARD AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
I WOULD SAY NO, IT WOULD NOT LIMIT THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD LIMIT IT PERHAPS.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I UNDERSTOOD THE CONDITION NUMBER 2.
ALL THE PARCELS IN QUESTION ARE GETTING ONE REZONING OVERLAY.
WELCH CLARIFIED ALL THAT INSTEAD OF ALL THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
>> YEAH, THERE'S A FEW INDIVIDUAL LOTS ON THERE.
WHAT THEY HAVE IS THE 18.24 ACRES IS A PORTION OF ONE AND A PORTION OF ANOTHER.
INSTEAD OF MAKING THOSE SPLIT ZONES, WE WILL MAKE THEM JUST MAKE ONE PARCEL WITH THAT ZONING AND THEN THE OTHER PARCELS WILL KEEP THE SAME ZONE.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, BOB.
>> BASED ON THE PREVIOUS USE OF BEING MINING, WAS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AS FAR AS CLEAN UP THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINES?
>> NOT THAT I THOUGHT THROUGH.
GUY, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOUR TEAM WORKED THROUGH OR ANY CONCERNS YOU GUYS HAD?
>> WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
>> DO YOU NEED HIM TO STATE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> GUY EKLIN, PARALEGAL LAW OFFICE OF TONY CULLUM.
14 EAST DALE AVENUE, FLAGSTAFF.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW MARY, MY CONCERN WAS ABOUT PICTURE CANYON AS WELL BUT IT WAS MORE ABOUT NOISE CONCERNS FROM THE EQUIPMENT.
WILL THAT BE IMPACTED IN ANY WAY FOR NOISE?
>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ACTUAL MACHINERY DOING ITS JOB THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE FOR STORAGE.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME NOISE IF THEY HAVE TO TURN IT ON AND DRIVE IT OUT.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE MAIN CONCERN BUT IT WON'T BE A CONSTANT OPERATION.
>> NO POLLUTION FROM THAT EQUIPMENT?
>> I THINK ANY EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE SOME POLLUTION.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT THE HISTORIC USE OF THE SITE IS AND COMPARE THAT TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION?
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT A MAYOR. [LAUGHTER]
>> OKAY. YOU LOOK LIKE ONE TO ME.
[LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, I'M TONY CULLUM, REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY.
14 EAST DALE FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA.
I REPRESENT THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THE MINE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF RUNDOWN. I'M TONY CULLUM.
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THIS IS GUY EKLIN, ONE OF OUR PARALEGALS.THIS IS ROBERT MILLER OVER HERE AND HIS WIFE.
HIS WIFE IS A GOOD LOOKING ONE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE PROJECT ENGINEER, ROB BEGLEY HERE.
LET ME JUST GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS VERY QUICKLY AND ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY COME UP WITH.
TYPICALLY, THE WAY THIS SYSTEM WORKS IS THE MINE HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, I.E. 100 YEARS.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE MINE INSPECTOR.
WE AT THE CITY DON'T HAVE A THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.
IT'S ALL UNDER THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND IT'S ALL RUN CORRECTLY, INCLUDING ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
WHEN YOU START OFF WITH A BIG MINE, THIS IS A CENTER OF MOUNTAIN.
FROM EVERYDAY WORK OF RUNNING EQUIPMENT THERE ALL THE TIME, WHICH IS STILL BEING RUN EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME, AND YOU MOVE OUT THE CINDERS AND YOU MOVE THEM DOWN TO WHERE THEY'RE PERFECTLY LEVEL WITH THE GROUND.
THEN THE STATE MINE INSPECTOR COMES IN AND SAYS, WE NEED TO DO A RECLAMATION PROJECT.
RECLAMATION BASICALLY MEANS YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE MINE ANYMORE.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS IS PERFECTLY LEVEL.
WE'RE GOING TO CHECK ALL OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS AND THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
WE'RE GOING TO THEN TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY.
THEN IT CAN BE REZONED BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE STATE MINE ANYMORE.
THAT'S WHAT GETS PUT ON YOUR ICE AND SNOW, ETC.
BUT THERE IS 18.24 ACRES OF THIS BIG MOUNTAIN THAT IS STILL THERE, THAT IS PERFECTLY FLAT, PERFECTLY SMOOTH, ENVIRONMENTALLY CORRECT, AND IT'S READY TO BE REZONED.
IN 2020, THAT'S WHAT WE CAME TO THE CITY AND WE STARTED ON, AND BY THE WAY, THE CITY IS WONDERFUL.
WESLEY AND ALEX HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THIS PROJECT TWICE, [LAUGHTER] AND WE APPRECIATE THEM BOTH TIMES.
BUT WHEN THEY TOOK A LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND WE MET ON SITE AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE STORY, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER POLLUTION PROBLEMS OR ANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, OR ANY OTHER PROBLEMS. IN FACT, WE EVEN LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND TO TAKE CARE OF A NEED THAT THEY HAVE.
IF I MOVED FROM HERE FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, MY WIFE AND I, AND WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME AND WE HAVE TWO LITTLE CHILDREN.
I AM A DUMP TRUCK OPERATOR OR I'M A BACKHOE OPERATOR.
THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS VERY STRONG.
YOU DON'T DO THAT WHERE YOU LIVE.
YOU DON'T DO THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND THERE.
YES. THAT'S HOW I MAKE MY LIVING.
BUT I CAN'T PARK MY EQUIPMENT THERE.
I CAN'T PARK ANY EQUIPMENT THERE.
THE BIGGER THE EQUIPMENT IS, FRONT END LOADERS, ALL THAT STUFF, THE WORSE IT GETS IT I CAN'T PARK IT THERE.
SO WHERE DO YOU PARK IT? WELL, THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF HAS VERY LITTLE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ANYWHERE, PARTICULARLY YOU CAN PARK EQUIPMENT.
IN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE CONTRACTORS AND THE NEEDS AND EVERYTHING, WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN, THIS IS IN 2020 THAT MET A REALLY STRONG NEED IN THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
EVERYBODY LOVED IT. OF COURSE, WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WENT WONDERFUL.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WE HAD WAS WHEN WE HAD THE MEETINGS WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE.
BOTH THE BUILDING INSPECTION AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID, YOU'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS AS A MINE FOR 100 YEARS.
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YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WATER OUT HERE.[LAUGHTER] NOT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY NEED IT THAT MUCH WITH THIS, YOU'RE NOT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME HEAVY EQUIPMENT OUT HERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MATERIALS WITH THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT OUT HERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A FIRE AND NOT HAVE ANY WATER TO PUT IT OUT.
WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO DO, WE HIRED WARREN SMITH CONTRACTING, AND WE PUT TOGETHER A LOOPED WATER SYSTEM THAT WAS NOT IN THE AREA AT ALL.
IT REALLY NEEDED IT, BY THE WAY, AND IT WAS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 7,000 FEET, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
WE HAVE JUST NOW COMPLETED ALL OF IT WITH THE FIRE HYDRANTS AND ETC.
NOW, WE COME BACK IN AND HAVE A MEETING AND SAY, REMEMBER THE MEETING WE HAD IN 2020, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL AND WE WERE ALL HAPPY AND WE WERE ALL IN LOVE? WELL, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? THEY SAID, WELL, WE START ALL OVER, LET'S HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
SO WE DID IN DECEMBER, AND IT TURNED OUT FINE TOO.
THE SHORT VERSION, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
WESLEY AND ALEX HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
THE CITY STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
I THINK WE'RE ALL HOLDING HANDS.
I THINK WE'RE ALL IN LOVE AND I THINK WE'RE ALL SEEING KUMBAYA TOGETHER.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING, PLEASE LET US KNOW, BECAUSE WE'LL GO OVER IT WITH YOU.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO RENT SPACE THERE, TO PUT THEIR HEAVY USAGE EQUIPMENT.
>> FOR MOM AND POP THAT CAME IN FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEIR BACKHOE.
THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEIR TRAILER BEHIND THEIR BACKHOE.
THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THEIR DUMP TRUCK.
ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN'T DO FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
>> BECAUSE I'VE HEARD OF SOME PEOPLE RENTING IN PARKING LOTS.
THEY'VE RENTED TO PUT THEIR STUFF THERE RECENTLY, AND IT WAS STOLEN AND THAT TYPE OF THING. THIS WOULD BE.
>> IT'S IN AN ALLEY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER IT.
>> HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'LL BE FOR THAT RENTAL?
THIS IS ROBERT MILLER. HE AND HIS FAMILY HAVE OWNED THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. ROBERT MILLER, 5015 EAST LENNOX ROAD, FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA.
MYSELF AND MY WIFE SHELLEY ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A REAL SHORT BECAUSE I HEAR SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THEM.
WE RUN ANOTHER MINING COMPANY UP NORTH OF TOWN TOWARDS LOOP MILLER MINING.
FOR ALL OF MY LIFE, I'VE BEEN IN THE MINING INDUSTRY, MOSTLY IN CINDER VOLCANIC MINING.
A LITTLE BIT OF SAND AND GRAVEL IN PHOENIX.
LIKE TONY SAID, WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, WE DIDN'T SEE THIS AS A LONG TERM CINDER PIT.
WE BOUGHT THE OLD FLAG CINDER SALES AND A LOT OF THE LOCAL FOLKS RECOGNIZED FROM YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
WE SAW THE PROPERTY AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOMETHING TO FLAGSTAFF OTHER THAN JUST A WRETCHED, UGLY SITE, WHICH WE KNOW WHAT ALL OF THESE BARREL PITS LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE ABANDONED.
IT WAS IN OUR INTEREST, WITH OUR EXPERIENCE BEING IN MINING, TO PURCHASE THIS IN 2007.
WE THOUGHT THIS WAS AN EIGHT YEAR PLAN, 2008 HIT, AND YOU'LL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT OUR PLAN THEN WAS TO, IN FIVE YEARS, TO LEVEL OUT PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN OVER EXCAVATED.
THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF THE MINING ON THAT PROPERTY, THEY WERE PLANNING ON DIGGING TO CHINA FOREVER, I WOULD ASSUME.
OUR INTENT WAS FULLY TO FLATTEN THE PROPERTY AND WORK WITH THE STATE OF ARIZONA IN THE PROCESS OF MINING, WHICH WOULD HELP TO COVER THE COSTS OF THE RECLAMATION IN ORDER TO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR YEARS TO COME.
WE NEVER SAW THIS AS A PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE LEFT ABANDONED, FENCED, AND GONE.
OUR WHOLE OBJECTIVE ON THE PROPERTY IS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE TO FLAGSTAFF IN THE FUTURE, SUITABLE FOR EMPLOYMENT, AND SUITABLE FOR OUR FAMILY AS THEY GROW AND HAVE A JOB TO DO HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.
IT WON'T BE MINING BECAUSE WE WILL RUN OUT OF CINDERS, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE'VE ONLY ZONED.
I HEARD SOME CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE FIRST PORTION THAT'S LEVEL RECLAIMED AND IT'S SIGNED OFF BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
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WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BONDING PROCESS WITH THE STATE, AND BEFORE THEY'LL LET US RELEASE THAT BOND, WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SUITABLE WITH THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT SAFE.NOW, AS TONY SAID, WHAT WE'VE OPTED TO DO IS LEVEL THE PROPERTY, BRING DRAINAGE BACK TO WHAT ITS NATURAL DRAINAGE WAS WHEN THE MOUNTAIN WAS A MOUNTAIN.
CURRENTLY, THE WATER STILL RUNS IN THE SAME LOCATION AS IT WOULD HAVE RUN 100 YEARS AGO.
IT'S JUST DIVERTED THROUGH CHANNELS AND SUCH ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT THERE'S NO FLOODING, YET IT'LL STILL FALLOW INTO THE SAME RAVINES AND SUCH THAT IT WOULD HAVE FLOWN 100 YEARS AGO.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I'D HEARD SPOKEN WAS THE NOISE IN PICTURE CANYON.
THE WAY THE PROPERTY SETS, WE'RE SOUTH OF PICTURE CANYON.
I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT THERE IS A LARGE MOUNTAIN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A STATE PROPERTY BETWEEN US AND PICTURE CANYON.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A VERY BIG, FIRST OF ALL, NOISE BARRIER.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT MORE WAS AS THE MINE DECREASES AND THE NEW USE, , WE TALKED ABOUT FRONT END LOADERS AND TRACTORS AND BACKHOES, BUT IT'S ALSO YOUR FRAMERS AND YOUR BLOCK LAYERS.
WHAT OUR INTENTION IS, THAT ALL OF THE TRADES THAT ARE TRYING TO DO BUSINESS HAVE A PLACE TO STORE ALL OF THEIR UGLY STUFF, AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE HI.
IT GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO LET ANY USE HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN RENT AN ACRE OF PROPERTY WITHIN THESE 15 OR SO LOTS, AND THEY CAN STORE ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY ON RESIDENTIAL SITES.
>> FIFTEEN IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AS TONY SAID, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT ARE PRE-EXISTING.
WE LEFT THEM AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS.
THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF.
I'LL SAY IT RIGHT HERE, WE HAVE NO INTENTION ON FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE INTENTION ON FINISHING RECLAMATION OF THE REMAINING 40 PLUS ACRES.
AS THAT SITE BECOMES RECLAIMED, WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE MEETINGS LIKE THIS WHERE WE CAN FIND AND WE WANT TO FIND USES THAT ARE BENEFICIAL WITHIN OUR LOCATION.
WE'RE SITUATED RIGHT NEXT TO A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IT'S NOT A PLACE YOU WOULD EVER.
YOU WOULD NEVER BUILD A HOUSE HERE.
EVEN IN THE VICINITY OF ALL OF THE RR, IT'S ALL CINDER PIT, SO IT'S ALREADY TECHNICALLY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USAGE IN ILLEGAL NON CONFORMING.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING IT INTO A CONFORMING THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE, THAT IS NOT A HARD SELL FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> REPRESENTED HIS DAD BEFORE HIM.
HIS DAD WAS SMARTER. THANK YOU.
>> [LAUGHTER] BY THE WAY, I'VE BEEN HERE 48 YEARS, SO [LAUGHTER] JUST MAKES ME FEEL OLD.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR QUESTIONS? YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> THAT WAS TOUGH TO FOLLOW, THAT WAS PRETTY COHERENT.
BUT FOR MY PART, I LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF AND I WORK IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
>> WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. SORRY.
I'VE WORKED IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT BUSINESS FOR 18 YEARS, RENTING EQUIPMENT.
I WORK FOR UNITED RENTALS HERE IN TOWN, AND WE GO OUT TO ALL THE PROJECTS IN TOWN AND JUST OUT OF TOWN AND DEAL WITH ALL THE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT ARE COMING.
AND WE HAVE REALIZED THE NEED FOR RENTAL SPACE LIKE WHAT ROBERT'S PROPOSING.
WE GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IF PEOPLE CAN PARK TRACTORS IN OUR YARD AND ACCESS STUFF THAT DOESN'T FIT ON A JOB SITE.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE A NICE SAFE PLACE THAT I KNOW WE CAN REFER THEM TO.
>> IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT OR QUESTIONS?
>> YES. I'M VAL PV, 5335 SNOWBALL DRIVE, FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA.
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MY COMMENT IS WE HAVEN'T HAD A PLACE LIKE THIS FOR ANY BUSINESS.I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS AS A CONTRACTOR IN FLAGSTAFF SINCE 1980.
I'VE LIVED IN FLAGSTAFF SINCE 1960.
THAT'S OVER 60 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES.
AND THIS WILL BE A CHANGE FOR THE GOOD OF FLAGSTAFF WHERE IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO THE SEWER PLANT.
NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO WANT TO BUILD AND BE THERE AND WORK AND DO ANYTHING.
AND THIS IS JUST A GREAT THING.
AND AS YOU'LL FIND, ROBERT MILLER AND HIS FAMILY ARE GREAT PEOPLE AND THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'LL DO.
I WANT THAT KNOWN BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY AND TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WANT TO THANK BOTH WESLEY AND TONY FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND MR. MILLER FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION.
>> I MOVE THAT WE FORWARD THIS TO CITY COUNCIL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS.
>> IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
>> CAN WE ALSO INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS?
>> DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THE PZ NUMBER OR ANYTHING? NO. OKAY.
>> IT'S BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS? HEARING NONE, I'LL GO TO THE VOTE.
>> ANYBODY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THAT MOTION HAS PASSED.
WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
>> YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT THIS HAS BEEN THE CHEAPEST CAMPAIGN I'VE EVER RUN.
SORRY. IT WAS REALLY EASY TO RUN THIS CAMPAIGN.
I LOVE IT. IF I COULD CAMPAIGN LIKE THIS, I MIGHT RUN.
BUT IF I HAVE TO GO OUT AND COLLECT SIGNATURES AND YEAH. NO, THANKS.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO AND FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS.
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ALEX, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IS THERE'S NO NEWS ON ANY NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS?>> I'VE ASKED THAT, SO NOW WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES.
SHE'S BEEN, CONTINUING TO SERVE WHEN WE REALLY NEED HER.
BUT MARCELLE IS MOVING AND RICARDO HAS RESIGNED.
SO WE HAVE THOSE THREE VACANCIES, WHICH MEANS I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS TO COME TO EVERY MEETING I HAVE REQUESTED.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW, I'VE ASKED THAT WE GO TO COUNSEL AT LEAST TO FILL ONE POSITION, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE WIGGLE ROOM.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE MOVING THAT FORWARD.
I MADE A PLEA LAST NIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS.
I'D ASK YOU GUYS, COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS, WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE COMMISSION, PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY.
>> BECAUSE I'M ON COMMISSION, MY HUSBAND CAN'T APPLY UNTIL I'M OFF OR CAN HE APPLY? HE'S INTERESTED. [LAUGHTER] HE ENJOYS ALL THE THINGS THAT.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD IDEA. OKAY.
>> BUT ONCE I'M OFF THE COMMISSION, HE COULD APPLY?
>> I NOTICED THAT THE CITY ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE, THEY SHARED THE CALL FOR IT. I SHARED IT TODAY.
>> I THINK I PUT THE WORD OUT ON OTHER THINGS, BUT YEAH, I WILL TRY AGAIN.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO AND FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS?
>> I DID, AND I'M ONLY GOING TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE I EMAILED YOU ABOUT IT.
AND I'D ASKED MARIE, TOO, WHY THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.
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I THINK MY LAST COMMENT WAS TO NOT A VOTING MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT SOMEBODY THAT WAS JUST ASSIGNED TO BE PRESENT OR WATCH OUR RECORDINGS AND REPORT BACK WHEN CONTEXT IS NEEDED WHEN THESE CASES OF OURS MOVE FORWARD TO COUNSEL.>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAD A COUNCIL LIAISON, BUT THEY WERE A VOTING MEMBER.
THEN WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNSEL TO RE ESTABLISH WHO THOSE LIAISONS WERE, THAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY DECIDED TO NO LONGER HAVE A LIAISON WITH THIS COMMISSION.
I THINK TOO, IT'S REALLY DIFFERENT NOWADAYS THAT WE HAVE THE STREAMING THAT ANYONE CAN GO BACK AND WATCH A PAST MEETING.
MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT OUR COUNCIL IS ABSOLUTELY LISTENING TO CASES AND GOING, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE MEETING, LISTENING IN REAL TIME, THAT THEY TEND TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT BEFORE IT COMES TO THEM.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST TO COUNSEL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
>> IT'S A COUNSEL DECISION? THEY DECIDE WHEN THEY DO THEIR LIAISON?
>> ANYTHING ELSE TO OR FROM COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT THEN.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AND IT'S 4:44.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.