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>> THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27, 2024.
[1. CALL TO ORDER NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Commission and to the general public that, at this work session, the Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the Commission’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
THE NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO A.R.S 38431.02.NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT AT THIS WORK SESSION THE COMMISSION MAY VOTE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WHICH WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE WOULD GO INTO THAT FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION'S ATTORNEY ON ANY ITEM LISTED IN THE AGENDA TODAY PURSUANT TO ARS 38431.03A3.
[2. ROLL CALL NOTE: One or more Commission Members may be in attendance telephonically or by other technological means. CAROLE MANDINO, VICE CHAIR CARLTON JOHNSON CJ LUCKE BOB HARRIS, III MARY NORTON IAN SHARP MEGAN WELLER]
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
I'M GOING TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY SUBJECT WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION THAT IS NOT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY.
DUE TO OPEN MEETING LAWS, THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR ACT ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING THIS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE WAIT FOR ME TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME THE ITEM IS HEARD.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT? SEEING AND HEARING NONE, I DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE? NO HANDS RAISED.
THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Approval of the minutes from the regular meeting on Wednesday, February 28, 2024.]
THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN?
>> I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE FEBRUARY 28TH MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
>> IAN HAS MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> MARY NORTON HAS SECONDED THE MINUTES.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR APPROVING THE MINUTES OF WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024, SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? THEN THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU.
NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR
[A. Public Hearing: PZ-23-00166-02 Single Speed Coffee Lab, 1000 E Butler Ave Suite 111A & 111B. Conditional Use Permit Request STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: In accordance with the findings presented in this report, staff recommends that the request for the CUP be granted by the Planning and Zoning Commission with the requirements included in Conditional Use Permit No. PZ-23-00166-02 and as follows: The development of the site shall substantially conform to the plans as presented with the Conditional Use Permit application.]
PZ-23-00166-02 SINGLE SPEED COFFEE LAB.>> I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT I AM CURRENTLY DOING SOME WORK FOR THE BUILDING OWNER.
I'M NOT THE APPLICANT AND I'M NOT LISTED ON THE APPLICATION, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THERE.
>> IS THAT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEN, A DECLARED CONFLICT?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT WE HAVE CHRISTINA IN THE MEETING.
CHRISTINA, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT?
>> IS THE WORK BEING DONE RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION?
>> THERE'S SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE CUP.
>> IF WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK, I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IF THE STANDARD FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD GET ANY, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE ANY MONETARY BENEFIT FROM A DECISION ON THIS APPLICATION.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU IN MORE DETAIL, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE OFFLINE.
>> DO WE WANT TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK THEN? WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
>> LET'S HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE TO GO INTO E SESSION.
>> THEN WE'LL TALK WITH CHRISTINA.
>> ALEX, REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY.
I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED THE ENTIRE COMMISSION IN AN E SESSION.
IT MAY BE BETTER JUST TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
>> THEN IF YOU WANT TO SET UP A TEAMS MEETING JUST WITH ME AND THAT PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER.
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>> I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE REMOTE?
>> I'LL SET SOMETHING UP WITH BOB AND I.
>> WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF INTERMISSION HERE.
>> THEN WE'LL BE BACK SOON. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S SAY SOMETHING ON THE RECORD.
>> WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK AND I WILL LET BOB SPEAK.
>> WHILE I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FINANCIALLY FROM THE DECISION, WHETHER IT BE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, OR IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF JUST SO THERE'S NO APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, SO I WILL STEP OUT.
>> I WILL COME GET YOU WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ITEM. THANK YOU.
>> YOU'RE ACTUALLY LEAVING? THEN I'LL WAIT UNTIL HE LEAVES AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION.
IF WE CAN HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
THANK YOU CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND COMMISSION.
BETHAN HANG. I'M ONE OF THE PLANNERS WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
TONIGHT THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR UNCONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAFE USE FOR A SINGLE SPEED COFFEE LAB, AND THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
LOOKING ON SCREEN, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1,000 EAST BUTLER AVENUE.
CURRENTLY, SINGLE SPEED COFFEE LAB IS SITUATED IN SUITE 111A, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO SUITE 111B.
THERE'S AN EXISTING COFFEE ROASTING BUSINESS IN SUITE 11A, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO REQUEST FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAFE USE IN TANDEM WITH THEIR EXISTING ROASTING BUSINESS.
AS MENTIONED, THE REQUEST TONIGHT AND BEFORE YOU IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CAFE IN A SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S OWN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE.
THERE'S A MULTI TENANT BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON SITE.
THE TWO SUITES ARE LOCATED HERE WHERE MY ARROW IS POINTING.
WE'VE GOT SUITE 111A AND SUITE 111B.
THE TWO SUITES IN TOTALITY ARE 2,428 SQUARE FEET.
THE CAFE, AS MENTIONED, WILL BE ON THE RIGHT HANDED SUITE, AND THEN THE LEFT HANDED SUITE WILL MAINLY BE USED FOR THE EXISTING COFFEE ROASTING BUSINESS.
IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN.
AS MENTIONED, SUITE 111A, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, THIS RECTANGULAR PIECE IS FOR THE COFFEE ROASTING BUSINESS.
THEN SUITE 111A IS FOR THE CUSTOMER SEATING AREA, THE COFFEE PREP AREA, ESSENTIALLY THE CAFE USE.
IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SEVERAL FINDINGS NEED TO BE MET.
NOW, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ZONING CODE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIFIC ZONE.
WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, A CAFE USE IS PERMITTED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR TONIGHT.
BY FOLLOWING THE DUE PROCESS AND REQUESTING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS FINDING IS BEING MET.
THE SECOND FINDING IS THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.
THERE ARE FOUR COMPONENTS TO THIS.
FIRSTLY, IT NEEDS TO BE OPERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT AND THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED NOISE, SMOKE, ODOR, DUST, VIBRATION, OR ILLUMINATION, AS WELL AS ANY KNOWN HAZARDS AS LISTED ON THE SCREEN, AND NO UNUSUAL VOLUME OR CHARACTER OF TRAFFIC.
THE REQUESTED USE OF A CAFE IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO TRIGGER ANY OF THESE FINDINGS THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE, SO THIS FINDING IS ALSO BEING MET.
THIRD AND LASTLY, THE LAST FINDING IS THAT CHARACTERISTICS ARE REASONABLY COMPATIBLE WITH USES PERMITTED IN SURROUNDING AREA PER THE FOLLOWING, I HAVE ON SCREEN NINE LISTED AREAS AS REQUIRED BY CODE, AND I'LL DIVE INTO EACH OF THEM PRETTY BRIEFLY IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
THE FIRST OF WHICH IS ACCESS, TRAFFIC, AND CIRCULATION.
NOW, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS AN EXISTING SITE WITH AN EXISTING MULTI TENANT BUILDING.
ACCESS TO THE SITE IS PROVIDED FROM EAST BUTLER AVENUE.
A TIA, OR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IS NOT REQUIRED OF THIS REQUEST.
THERE'S EXISTING BIKE CONNECTIVITY ALONG EAST BUTLER AVENUE IN FRONT OF THE SITE.
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AND THE CENTRAL DRIVEWAY IS COMPLYING WITH CURRENT ENGINEERING STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON SITE ARE BEING MET.IN TERMS OF ADEQUACY OF SITE, OPEN SPACE AND RESOURCE PROVISIONS, THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE SITE.
THERE'S NO RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY OVER THE SITE EITHER, OR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, AND FOR NOISE, LIGHT, VISUAL, AND OTHER POLLUTANTS.
IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT THE PROPOSED CAFE WILL CREATE ANY NOISE, VISUAL, OR OTHER POLLUTANTS INTO THE AREA.
FOR STYLE SITING OF STRUCTURE AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE ON SCREEN THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING TO INSTALL THIS AWNING ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE SKETCH ON SCREEN.
THERE'S ALSO PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON SITE.
IF YOU DRIVE ALONG EAST BUTLER AVENUE, THAT AWNING IS ALREADY COMPLETED.
NOW WITH A CUP, A CUP REQUIRES ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS TO BE APPLIED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT FEASIBLE.
THE APPLICANT TOOK THE PROACTIVE STEP OF ALREADY MEETING THAT PRIOR TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND IT'S IN CHARACTERISTIC AND STYLE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, SO THEY'RE MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT.
NOW FOR LANDSCAPING SCREENING, CUPS ALSO REQUIRE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS TO BE APPLIED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT FEASIBLE.
NOW ON THIS EXISTING SITE, IT'S ALREADY LANDSCAPED, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO TAKEN THAT ADDITIONAL STEP TO IMPROVE THAT AREA WHERE THE TWO SUITES ARE LOCATED.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO LANDSCAPE BOXES, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ARROWS ARE POINTING.
NOW I WILL MENTION THAT THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AT EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
THEY WILL BE TAKEN TWO PARKING SPACES, BUT EVEN WITH LOCATING THOSE PLANTER BOXES ON THOSE PARKING SPACES, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND PARKING COUNT THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET IS STILL BEING MET.
IN TERMS OF IMPACT ON PUBLIC UTILITIES, THE SITE IS CONNECTED TO EXISTING CITY SEWER AND WATER SERVICES.
NO NEW OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED FOR SIGNAGE AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED AND ARE EXPECTED TO AND THEY WILL BE APPLYING FOR THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING APPLICATIONS.
DEDICATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF STREETS ARE NOT APPLICABLE AND THERE ARE NO IMPACTS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES ON SITE THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
EXTRA FINDINGS THAT INCLUDE HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND TRANSIT ALSO DON'T APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
NOW LASTLY, THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN.
THE APPLICANT NOTIFIED PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE OF THIS APPLICATION.
THEY ALSO POSTED THE SITE IN REQUEST OF THE CUP.
THE APPLICANT ALSO HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON SITE ON MARCH 18.
THAT WAS LAST MONDAY, TO WHICH THERE WERE NO ATTENDEES.
THERE IS A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT IS REQUIRED.
BUT DUE TO THE OUTCOME OF THAT FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND ALSO STAFF AND APPLICANT NOT RECEIVING ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL, THAT SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS WAIVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
WITH THAT, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PZ-23-00166-02, WITH THE ONE CONDITION. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, CJ.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, WHICH I SENT TO YOU A LITTLE EARLIER WAS I'M A CUSTOMER AND I LOVE GOING THERE, AND I LOVE THAT THEY HAVE AN OUTDOOR SPACE.
IS THAT STILL ALLOWED UNDER THEIR PERMIT?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN TALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO.
THE PROPOSED CAFE USE WILL BE ALLOCATED FOR SEATING IN THE OUTDOOR AREA.
PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED FOR VEHICLE PARKING AS I EXPECTED, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE WOULD ALLOW THAT OUTDOOR SEAT?
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
>> THE ONE QUESTION I HAD, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY USED AS A CAFE?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS OPERATING AS A CAFE AND THEN IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION, AND THAT IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS REQUEST TONIGHT.
>> BECAUSE IN THE SITE PLAN IT SAYS EXISTING CAFE, IT'S SUITE 111, SO THAT MAKES SENSE?
>> YES, IT'S COMING INTO COMPLIANCE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
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>> NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE CONDITIONAL USE, BECAUSE I SUPPORT THAT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION AND A COMPATIBLE USE MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE UPCOMING LOWERED SPEED LIMIT ON BUTLER WILL MAKE IT EVEN EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE.
SINCE IT'S A CUP FOR A SPECIFIC FOR A TENANT AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IS A PROP 207 WAIVER REQUIRED?
>> I THINK THAT'S A STANDARD THING THAT WE DO WITH THESE APPLICATIONS, SO THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN WITH ANOTHER USE, OR TRY AND SAY THAT THAT THIS CUP LIMITED THEIR ABILITY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE FACED WITH THAT PROP 207 CLAIM.
AGAIN, CHRISTINA, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, FEEL FREE.
>> THANKS, ALEX. NO, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S JUST AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TYPE REQUEST.
>> BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THIS CP AS LOWERING THE PROPERTY VALUE.
>> YEAH. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF OUR STUFF AS LOWERING PROPERTY VALUES, BUT THANK YOU.
>> IT'S ASSIGNED AS A RESTAURANT IN THOSE TWO SUITES.
COULD ANY RESTAURANT COME IN LATER AND REPLACE THE ONE THAT'S BEING APPROVED RIGHT NOW? WOULD IT HAVE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ROASTING, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THAT INDUSTRIAL USE?
>> CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS RUN WITH THE LAND.
IN THAT SENSE, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER TENANT THAT MOVES IN AND MEETS THAT COULD FUNCTION UNDER THAT SAME CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WHICH ARE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLANS AS APPROVED.
USUALLY, I THINK THIS IS LI RIGHT, I THINK IT'S RESTAURANTS IS A PERMITTED USE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS OPPOSED TO BEING LIKE AN ACCESSORY USE AND BEING LIMITED.
THERE ARE SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONES OR EVEN COMMERCIAL ZONES WHERE WE CERTAIN USES ARE SEEN AS ACCESSORY TO AND THEY HAVE TO BE.
OFTENTIMES THEY'RE LIMITED IN THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE SHOWN AS THEY'RE NOT THE PRIMARY USE.
THEY'RE SECONDARY TO A PRIMARY USE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE IN THIS APPLICATION.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION?
I'D HAVE TO REVIEW JUST SEEING IF IT WAS RELATED IT WOULD BE RELATED TO THAT AT ALL, IN THEORY.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM COMMISSIONERS? HEARING NONE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
>> IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF SINGLE SPEED COFFEE.
I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF SINGLE SPEED COFFEE.
ADDRESS AT 1,000 EAST BUTLER HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS CUP.
IT DEFINITELY CAME AS A SURPRISE FOR US, TO YOUR POINT THAT IT WASN'T CURRENTLY ZONED OR ALLOCATED FOR CAFE USE.
LOOKING AT THE BUILD OUT, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO GET STARTED AND CONTINUE THAT GROWTH OF OUR LITTLE FAMILY COFFEE SHOP.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN, LOOKING IN TERMS OF A BUSINESS PLAN AND LESS OF A BUILD OUT PLAN, KEEPING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, BEING A SMALL BUSINESS HERE IN FLAGSTAFF, WE FOCUS ON SUPPORTING OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL.
WE HAVE OTHER PURVEYORS THAT WE BRING INTO OUR BUSINESS TO PROVIDE, VARIOUS GOODS AND SERVICES.
VERY MUCH ROOTED IN HAVING THAT COMMUNITY FEEL FOR OUR BUSINESS.
ADDITIONALLY THERE AREN'T COFFEE BEANS GROWING HERE IN FLAGSTAFF.
BUT WE DO ETHICALLY SOURCE EVERYTHING WE DO.
WE TRY TO ALWAYS MAINTAIN THOSE VERY HIGH STANDARDS AS A SMALL BUSINESS AS WELL.
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AGAIN, THANK YOU.IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO HELP.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO THE APPLICANT? I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE CJ'S QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE STILL GOING TO OPERATE WITH SEATING OUTSIDE, I GUESS?
I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD THAT INTO THE SECTIONS OF THE PLANTERS THAT YOU SAW THAT WE NEEDED TO DO FOR THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR OUR AREA, WHICH IS AWESOME.
CURRENTLY, WE TAKE UP ABOUT THREE PARKING SPOTS WITH OUR OUTDOOR SEATING JUST TO PROVIDE THAT, EVEN IN THE WINTER, PEOPLE ARE SITTING OUT THERE, WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE THAT FOR SURE.
HOPEFULLY IN THE SNOW, NOT BEING A COFFEE DRINKER MYSELF.
THAT'S WHY I PROBABLY HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE.
WE HAVE SOME VERY HIGH END TEA THAT YOU WOULD LOVE.
>> IF WE COME VISIT, I JUST DON'T LIKE COFFEE, BUT SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T GO TO COFFEE SHOPS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION,.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CUP CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PZ2300166-02 WITH THE CONDITION AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY ANN AND THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MARY.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
>> ANY OPPOSED HEARING NONE? THE MOTION HAS PASSED. THANK YOU.
I GUESS WE CAN GET BOB BACK IN HERE.
WE'LL CONTINUE WHEN BOB COMES IN AND CONGRATULATIONS.
NOW THAT BOB HAS REJOINED US, THANK YOU FOR BEING CLOSE BY.
[A. Discussion: Flagstaff Regional Plan Update - Progress Report STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION: Discussion Only]
WE'LL MOVE INTO GENERAL BUSINESS AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSION OF THE FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN UPDATE AND PROGRESS REPORT.>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M THE COMPREHENSIVE AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND THE PROJECT LEAD FOR THIS JOINT CITY AND COUNTY PROJECT.
I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID AN UPDATE FOR YOU WAS THAT THE LAST TIME WE MET JOINTLY WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FROM THE COUNTY, WHICH I THINK WAS EARLY LAST SUMMER, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT.
WE, AT THIS POINT, WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED.
WE'RE DOING A SEPARATE UPDATE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THE COUNTY.
THERE'S NOT MUCH TO DO TONIGHT EXCEPT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOME AWARENESS OF THE PROCESS AND HOW IT'S MOVING FORWARD.
I FIRST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGIONAL PLAN AS A DOCUMENT.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED PRODUCING DRAFTS OF THE CHAPTERS WORKING WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE DOCUMENT AND HOW WE'RE STARTING TO SHAPE IT UP INTO WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT ITERATION OF THE REGIONAL PLAN.
AS WE ARE STARTING THIS PLAN PRODUCTION AND WRITING PERIOD, WE ARE STAYING VERY MINDFUL OF THE FINDINGS FROM OUR STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND THREATS ANALYSIS.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION A WHILE, YOU REMEMBER WE WENT AND DID THIS WITH ALL 23 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT SWOT ANALYSIS REALLY RAISED TO THE TOP ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND THE CONTENT OF THE NEW PLAN AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO AS WE ARE WRITING IT.
I DON'T NEED TO READ THOSE OFF TO YOU, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE FRONT OF MIND BECAUSE THEY ARE STAYING FRONT OF MIND FOR THE STAFF AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE, WHICH IS MADE UP OF 24 INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE APPOINTED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY MANAGER AS A COMMITTEE ADVISING STAFF.
THEY ARE NOT A BOARDER COMMISSION.
THEY DO NOT FOLLOW ALL THE SAME RULES OR QUORUM REQUIREMENTS.
THEY'RE' SUCH A LARGE GROUP THAT THAT COULD BE A HINDRANCE TO THEIR WORK.
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BUT WE ARE ADVERTISING THE MEETINGS, PUTTING ALL THE AGENDAS ONLINE.THE ONLY THING WE'RE REALLY NOT DOING IS TAKING MINUTES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM IS THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS A PLAN CAN BE ORGANIZED.
ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS THE STATUTE FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA LAYS OUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ELEMENTS, AND WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED IN EACH ELEMENT THAT IS LISTED.
HOWEVER, IF WE DID THAT, WE MIGHT HAVE 15 CHAPTERS IN THE PLAN, AND NO CITY ACTUALLY ORGANIZES THEIR PLAN BY THE ELEMENTS AS THEY ARE LISTED IN THE STATE STATUTE.
WE TALKED AND HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS OF HOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS COULD WORK TOGETHER, AND HOW THERE ARE SYNERGIES BETWEEN THEM, AND WE ARE ORGANIZING THOSE ELEMENTS INTO CHAPTERS.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE PERHAPS, THAT SHOW UP IN MORE THAN ONE CHAPTER, BUT THE ELEMENTS AND THE CHECKLIST FROM THE STATE STATUTE IS BEING CROSS REFERENCED BY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY HITTING ALL THE MARKS OF THINGS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN THE PLAN.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE A LOT OF THEMES AND DISCUSSIONS FROM BOTH THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND FROM THE COUNCIL AND BOARD OF SUPERVISOR POLICIES SURROUNDING HOW WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
PARTICULARLY OUR CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN AND OUR 10 YEAR HOUSING PLAN.
THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ELEMENTS OF THE FLAGSTAFF REGIONAL PLAN, BUT WE ARE TREATING THEM AS THEMES.
RATHER THAN HAVING A STANDALONE CHAPTER FOR COMMUNITY CHARACTER OR CLIMATE CHANGE OR EQUITY, WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WHERE THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE, THEY ARE ORGANIZED UNDER THE ELEMENTS AND CHAPTERS.
WE GET THAT QUESTION A LOT AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE SCHEDULE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU TOWARDS THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE NEVER APPEARS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEVER APPEARS AS A CHAPTER HEADING.
BUT IT IS EMBEDDED IN THE CHAPTERS, AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT CHAPTERS INCLUDE, WHAT MATERIAL, OR AT LEAST THAT WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL COVER WHAT MATERIAL.
HERE ARE A LIST OF ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES.
WE CROSS REFERENCE BOTH WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
THERE ARE MORE CITY REQUIREMENTS THAN THERE ARE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS, AND MANY OF THEM ARE 99% IDENTICAL.
THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES THOUGH, AND SO WE HAVE NOT ONLY A CHECKLIST FOR THE CITY AND A CHECKLIST FOR THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE MINDFUL OF THE OVERLAP BETWEEN THEM.
WHAT ACTUALLY GOES IN THE PLAN? THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF BACKGROUND MATERIAL TELL US WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY ALL THE PARKS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE CAN MAKE A LIST OF ALL THE PARKS IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE PIECES OF THE PLAN THAT WILL SOMEDAY BE HERE IN A HEARING FOR A REZONING REQUEST OR AN ANNEXATION REQUEST.
WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIARITY WITH WORKING WITH GOALS AND POLICIES.
THAT'S THE MAIN FUNCTIONAL PIECE OF OUR CURRENT PLAN.
GOALS ARE DESIRED RESULTS, OR FUTURE CONDITIONS.
THEY CAN BE PHYSICAL OR SOCIETAL.
THEY CAN BE ASPIRATIONAL, AND THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE GROUNDED IN WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
POLICIES GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT IS NEEDED TO ACHIEVE A GOAL.
THEY MAY PROVIDE A COURSE OF ACTION, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT TACTICAL.
THEY DON'T GO DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT STEPS WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO CARRY OUT THAT ACTION.
THEY PROVIDE THE BASIS FOR A FINDING OF CONFORMANCE IN OUR CURRENT PLAN.
WHAT WE NOTICED, WE HAVE OVER 500 POLICIES IN OUR CURRENT PLAN, IS THAT MANY OF THOSE POLICIES ACTUALLY WERE DOING OTHER THINGS.
ONE THING THEY WERE DOING IS SOMETIMES THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD BE DOING THE WORK.
OR WHAT WAS OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR CARRYING OUT OR MEETING A GOAL.
WE'RE INTRODUCING INTO THE REGIONAL PLAN A SET OF IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES.
POLICIES WILL BE PAIRED WITH IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES THAT GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL SO THE POLICY CAN THEN ENFORCE, STAY A LITTLE SIMPLER AND MORE DIRECT ABOUT THE COURSE OF ACTION WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND HOW WILL WE DO THAT CAN BE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE IN IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES.
THE DEFINITION OF A GUIDELINE, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANNING.ORG AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION DEFINITION IS THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO MOST OF THE TIME, BUT IF WE HAVE A STRONG RATIONALE, WE CAN USE ANOTHER SOURCE OR DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION AT THE TIME.
THAT GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
BUT IT DOESN'T LET US OFF THE HOOK OF FINDING THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN GOOD EVIDENCE BASED DECISION MAKING AND HAVING A PLAN THAT'S TOO GENERAL, BUT THIS IS ONE WAY IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THAT SWOT ANALYSIS OF THERE ARE TOO MANY POLICIES.
WE'RE TRYING TO DRAW OUT THINGS THAT ARE REALLY
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DESIGN GUIDELINES OR OTHER IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES.ONE THING THAT WAS MISSING, AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD IN OUR CURRENT PLAN, IS A LIST OF STRATEGIES THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY THE STATE STATUTE.
BUT THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I WOULD SAY THEY DELAYED THE DECISION ABOUT WHAT STRATEGIES WOULD BE WHAT, BY SAYING, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN NEIGHBORHOOD AND AREA PLANS AND WE'LL LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AREA PLANS IDENTIFY STRATEGIES.
WHILE THAT'S BEEN REALLY USEFUL AND IT'S PROVED A GOOD TESTING GROUND FOR WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR TRYING DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING AND CHANGING OUR URBAN ENVIRONMENT, IT HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN APPLY TO ALL PLACES ACROSS THE CITY UNIVERSALLY.
WE ARE GOING BACK TO TRYING TO IDENTIFY CLEAR STRATEGIES THAT ARE TIED TO THE REGIONAL PLAN.
THAT LIST IS BEING DEVELOPED AS WE GO, BUT IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE ITS OWN CHAPTER AND THEN THE STRATEGIES AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES HOPEFULLY WILL BE TIED TOGETHER.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION IN THE CURRENT PLAN BETWEEN INFORMATIONAL MAPS THAT TELL US IMPORTANT INFORMATION WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND GOALS AND POLICIES VERSUS MAPS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CREATING A POLICY.
FOR INSTANCE, YOUR FUTURE GROWTH ILLUSTRATION OR THE ROAD NETWORK ILLUSTRATION.
THEY ACTUALLY IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT IS A POLICY.
THIS LOCATION IDENTIFIED ON THIS MAP CREATES A POLICY WHERE IDENTIFYING A MAP OF OUR WATERSHED BOUNDARIES IS NOT A POLICY THAT IS JUST A DEMONSTRATION OF THE GEOGRAPHIC EXTENT OF OUR WATERSHEDS.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT PLAN DISTINGUISHES THOSE TWO TYPES OF MAPS.
ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IS THAT SOMETIMES THOSE MAPS HAVE BEEN USED WHEN THEY WERE MEANT TO BE INFORMATIONAL, AS IF THEY WERE A POLICY MAP.
WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION CLEARER.
THIS IS MY GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION OF HOW IS THIS ALL GOING TO WORK TOGETHER? YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING IS RELATED, BUT THERE ARE SOME REAL SCOPE BOUNDARIES ON THE REGIONAL PLAN AND THOSE REALLY ALIGN WITH TRANSPORTATION GROWTH, WATER RESOURCES, AND STEWARDSHIP AND RESILIENCY.
THIS IS REALLY THE CORE MIDDLE OF WHAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO RELATE TO.
FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENERGY CHAPTER, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, AND SOMEONE SUGGESTS WE NEED A WHOLE BIG WRITE UP ON HOW APS IS MEETING ITS SUPPLY SIDED ISSUES FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.
THAT'S PROBABLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE PLAN.
HOW IS THAT A LAND USE DECISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY? HOW IS IT A TRANSPORTATION DECISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY? DOES IT AFFECT OUR STEWARDSHIP AND RESILIENCY, OR OUR WATER RESOURCE ISSUES? WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CORE ITEMS REALLY ARE WHAT EVERYTHING IS TYING TO BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT IN ANY OF THESE BUBBLES THAT MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY LINE BACK UP TO A LAND USE DECISION.
ALWAYS REMEMBERING WHAT THE PLAN IS USED FOR.
IT'S USED HERE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THE CITY COUNCIL, IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TO MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS.
I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR JUST A SECOND.
THE REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE IS MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT'S PUBLISHED TO OUR WEBSITE.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 10TH FROM 06:00 TO 09:00 P.M.
THE COMMITTEE ACCEPTS WRITTEN COMMENTS ALL THE TIME THROUGH REGIONALPLANCOMMITTEE@FLAGSTAFFAZ.GOV.
IN PERSON, YOU CAN PROVIDE THEM IN A COMMENT CARD, PEOPLE CAN MAIL THINGS TO ME.
WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING WRITTEN COMMENTS IN THE CHAT, MUCH LIKE YOU DO AT A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A REGULAR COMMISSION, WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME FOR PRESENTATIONS GIVEN THAT THERE ARE ALREADY 24 PEOPLE WHO ALL WANT A CHANCE TO TALK IN A THREE HOUR MEETING.
HAVING HOURS OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE AWAY TIME FROM COMMITTEE CONVERSATION.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS THEY HAVE SET ASIDE A TIME THAT'S THE SECOND TO LAST AGENDA ITEM AND PROVIDED 20 MINUTES THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE ROOM AND WOULD LIKE A CHANCE TO SPEAK, AND USUALLY THERE'S ONLY A FEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, SO EVEN THE CHAIR WILL CALL ON PEOPLE AND SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE? YOU CAN HAVE 2.5 MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
THEN THE COMMITTEE WILL DO CLOSING REMARKS AND FOLLOW UPS, AND WE'LL CLOSE THE MEETING.
WE HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED THE FIRST TWO CHAPTERS, PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, AND THE RESOURCE STEWARDSHIP AND RESILIENCE CHAPTERS.
THESE ARE DRAFT CHAPTERS THAT ARE PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE AND ARE CALLED WORKING DRAFTS.
PLEASE NOTE, THEY ARE STILL CALLED DRAFTS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INCORPORATED INTO A WHOLE DOCUMENT, AND SO THERE ARE STILL OPPORTUNITIES TO COMMENT ON THEM FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY PICK
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THEM UP A MONTH AFTER WE WORK ON IT IN THE COMMITTEE AND SAY, HEY, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CONTRIBUTION I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THIS.THERE ARE ALSO PORTIONS OF THEM THAT ARE STILL WORKS IN PROGRESS.
OUR SCHEDULE IS TO HAVE A FIRST FULL DRAFT, OR ALL THE MATERIAL WE NEED TO CREATE A FIRST FULL DRAFT BY JULY.
THEN AUGUST WE'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING WHERE THE COMMITTEE REVIEWS AN ACTUAL COVER TO COVER DRAFT OF THE PLAN.
TO DO THAT, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WATER RESOURCES AND ENERGY.
ON THE TENTH, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PREFERRED SCENARIO AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON WHAT SCENARIO PLANNING STEPS ARE AHEAD OF US.
WE HAVE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS, WHICH INCLUDES THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC VITALITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS COMING UP.
WE MIGHT PUSH THAT ONE TO MAY, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE TECHNICAL AND IT IS TAKING MORE TIME.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS IN MAY THAT COINCIDE TO THE COMMITTEE REVIEWING THE INITIAL LAND USE FRAMEWORK AND THE DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, WHAT WE CALL IN OUR CURRENT PLAN, THE TABLE OF CHARACTERISTICS, WHICH I KNOW AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, AS YOU'VE ALL SEEN THESE TABLES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT BETTER WAYS TO DISPLAY THAT INFORMATION AND DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES THAT WE WILL THEN DESIGN INTO A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
I SHOULD STATE THAT THE DIRECTION ON THE CURRENT WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TO CREATE A FUTURE GROWTH ILLUSTRATION OR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, TITLE TO BE DETERMINED IS THAT IT WILL BE PARCEL SPECIFIC.
I KNOW WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE THESE VERY SOFT LINES AND THE BUBBLES AS SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM, THAT ARE OUR ACTIVITY CENTERS.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION OVER THE YEARS ON WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS, AND I'M I IN OR OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE IT MORE DEFINITIVE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN.
JUNE WILL INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND GROWTH IN LAND USE CHAPTERS AND THEN THERE'LL BE A LAST MEETING IN JULY TO TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION PRIORITIES, WHICH WILL BASICALLY BE A PRIORITIZED LIST OF THE DRAFT STRATEGIES AND MONITORING AND METRICS.
THEN THE END OF AUGUST WILL BE A MEETING TO LOOK AT THE FULL DRAFT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES STILL TO PARTICIPATE AND REVIEW, AND AS COMMISSION MEMBERS, YOU ARE, OF COURSE, INVITED TO ATTEND ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING TO YOU.
WE JUST ASK THAT, WE AVOID A QUORUM ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE SHOWN UP AS A GROUP AT A COMMITTEE MEETING IN A WAY THAT CREATES A QUORUM.
IF THERE'S HIGH INTEREST IN GROWTH AND LAND USE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU MAY WANT AN AGENDA ITEM THAT SAYS, WELL, WHO'S GOING TO GO TALK ABOUT GROWTH AND LAND USE? WHO WANTS TO GO SIT IN AND LISTEN IN ON THAT MEETING AND REPORT BACK? OR BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME TIME, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS IN WRITING BEFORE OR AFTER ANY OF THESE MEETINGS, WHEN YOU VOTE ON THEM FOLLOWING THE BOARD AND COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURES.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE PACKETS FOR EACH OF THESE MEETINGS ARE GOING OUT ABOUT A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME.
SOMETIMES IT'S SIX DAYS AND SOMETIMES IT'S SEVEN, BUT THEY ARE ALL POSTED TO THE WEBSITE SO EVERYONE CAN REVIEW THEM.
ANYONE CAN WRITE AN INDIVIDUAL COMMENT TO REGIONALPLANCOMMITTEE@FLAGSTAFFAZ.GOV, AND SO THERE'S INNUMERABLE WAYS TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE.
WHEN WILL I BE BACK TO ACTUALLY SIT AND DO A PRESENTATION FOR ALL OF YOU? IT'LL BE IN THE 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 60 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO A PLAN, AND THAT'S WHEN I WILL BE DOING, AS WE HAVE CALLED TRADITIONALLY, THE TOUR COMMISSIONS AND VISITING ALL 21 COMMISSIONS AND DOING SPECIALIZED PRESENTATIONS FOR EACH OF THEM WITH OUR STAFF AND GIVING A FULL UPDATE.
BUT SINCE THE COMMITTEE IS SITTING IN THE ROLE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS ASKED THEM TO, WE'RE ASKING AT THIS TIME IF A COMMISSION WANTS TO PARTICIPATE, THAT THEY COME TO THAT PROCESS AND BRING THEIR CONVERSATION THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
OPEN SPACE COMMISSION SHOWED UP WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, AND OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE EITHER SENT WRITTEN COMMENTS OR INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE I TALK ABOUT PREFERRED SCENARIO AND WHAT THAT MEANS AS A STEP IN THIS PROCESS.
>> SO YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS A GROWTH IN LAND USE BOTH IN MAY TO START IT OFF WITH AND JUNE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YEAH, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT IN APRIL, MAY AND JUNE.
THE PREFERRED SCENARIO IS THE FIRST STEP IN GETTING SOME BUY IN ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THE GROWTH AND LAND USE CHAPTER, THEN WE TALK ABOUT INITIAL LAND USE FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY CALL OUR AREA AND PLACE TYPES, SO URBAN, SUBURBAN, RURAL ACTIVITY CENTERS, CORRIDORS, ETC.
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THEN THE LAND USE MAP, FIRST DRAFT, THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE MORE THAN ONE DRAFT AND THEN THE ACTUAL THOSE THINGS IN CONTEXT.FOUR BYTES AT THE GROWTH IN LAND USE CHAPTER ESSENTIALLY.
>> WOULD THIS BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK MEMBERS IF THEY WOULD WANT TO GO TO A SPECIFIC MEETING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM ISSUE?
>> I THINK WE AGENDIZE THIS FOR DISCUSSION, SO I'D LOOK TO THE LIAISON.
>> I WOULD RATHER IF YOU HAVE INTEREST IN ATTENDING A MEETING THAT YOU EMAIL STAFF, MYSELF AND SARAH PROBABLY, AND WE CAN WORK OUT IF WE'RE RUNNING INTO QUORUM ISSUES.
>> IF YOU CAN DO THAT PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING, IF WE RUN INTO QUORUM ISSUES, WE COULD JUST POST THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A QUORUM AT YOUR MEETING, SO EVERYONE COULD STILL GO TO ANY MEETING THEY WANT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
>> OR WE COULD JUST POST YOUR MEETING.
>> WE COULD POST THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
AM I GETTING THIS RIGHT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE ISSUE IS NOT SO MUCH THAT A BUNCH OF YOU WILL GO.
THE ISSUE BECOMES, ARE SO MANY OF YOU THERE THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING? IF FOUR OF YOU ATTEND ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, WE WOULD HAVE TO POST NOTICE OF A QUORUM TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WE'RE NOT HANDLING PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING BUSINESS, WE ARE JUST ATTENDING ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE FIRST STEP COULD JUST BE, LET US KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, AND THEN LET US EVALUATE THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU IF NEEDED WITH AN AGENDIZED ITEM.
>> CAN YOU BACK THE SLIDE UP TO APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE?
>> YES. I'D ALSO BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THE EXACT PAGE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SPECIFIC DATES.
I HAD IT MORE GENERALIZED FOR THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO MANY WORDS FOR A SLIDE.
BUT I CAN SEND THAT OUT THEN YOU CAN RESPOND TO ME AND ALEX AND TELL US WHAT DATES MOST INTEREST YOU.
I THINK HER SUGGESTION OF THEN WE'D HAVE A FOLLOW UP, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT, UNLESS THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO WATER RESOURCES AND ENERGY.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT MAY BE THE SAME NIGHT AS YOUR NEXT MEETING.
IS THAT CORRECT, ALEX? APRIL 10TH IS THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. WATER RESOURCES AND ENERGY IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING RIGHT AFTER YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, YOUR NEXT ONE.
YOU COULD EVEN DECIDE WHO'S GOING AND THEN DRIVE OVER TO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD IF YOU'VE GOT EXTRA TIME THAT NIGHT.
>> I BELIEVE I FORWARDED YOU AN EMAIL FROM SARAH THAT MAY HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL MORE SPECIFIC DATES OF WHEN THINGS SHOULD BE REVIEWED, WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE OCCURRING.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD. ANOTHER QUESTION?
>> CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT IT TOO?
NEW COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT BEEN SENT THAT INFORMATION, I CAN SEND THAT.
>> IF YOU CAN PROBABLY SEND IT OUT AGAIN TO EVERYBODY.
>> I COULD PROBABLY WORK ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
>> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU, ALEX.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? THANKS. SARAH, GO AHEAD.
LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE DID TALK PRETTY EXTENSIVELY ABOUT SCENARIO PLANNING.
FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS, SCENARIO PLANNING IS A PROCESS BY WHICH WE CREATE ALTERNATIVE FUTURES AND THEN WE TEST THEM FOR WHAT THEY MEAN IN TERMS OF OUTCOMES.
WE ALSO TAKE THEM TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEEK FEEDBACK ON WHICH ONES HAVE THE KIND OF FUTURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN.
IT TAKES THE PUBLIC SIDE AND A MORE ANALYTICAL SIDE AND TRIES TO TRUE IT WITH POTENTIAL WAYS THAT OUR DECISIONS COULD PLAY OUT IN THE FUTURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH OUR ENGAGEMENT AROUND THE SCENARIO PLANNING IS WE WORKED FROM A PROJECT TEAM THAT WAS REALLY MADE UP OF STAFF AND GOVERNMENT PARTNERS.
WE WORKED WITH A TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP THAT WAS ANOTHER 20 PEOPLE WHO WERE TECHNICAL EXPERTS ON MULTIPLE THINGS.
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEE.
THOUGH THERE ARE A FEW OF THE MEMBERS OF THE TECHNICAL GROUP THAT ARE ALSO ON THE COMMITTEE, THERE'S SOME OVERLAP.
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THEY MET 12 TIMES LAST YEAR TO GO THROUGH THE MATERIAL AND REALLY CHECK OUR ASSUMPTIONS.WERE WE MAKING THE RIGHT ASSUMPTIONS? WERE WE USING THE RIGHT KIND OF DATA? WERE WE BUILDING A MODEL THAT WOULD BE TRUE TO THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE ONCE YOU ENTER A SCENARIO INTO THE MODEL, IT SPITS BACK OUT OUTCOMES, AND THOSE KINDS OF TESTINGS REALLY HELP US KNOW IF THEY'RE TRUE TO THE COMMUNITY'S SITUATION IN FLAGSTAFF BECAUSE THE MODELS ARE BUILT FOR ANYWHERE WESTERN US, ESSENTIALLY, AND YOU HAVE TO TWEAK THEM TO GET THEM MORE SPECIFIC TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO TOOK INFORMATION TO COUNCILS, BOARDS, AND COMMISSIONS.
WE HAVE THE TAG, AND WE ALSO HAD COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AS PARTNERS TO HELP DO OUTREACH AROUND SCENARIO PLANNING, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD JUST MORE GENERAL PUBLIC OUTREACH.
I WILL SAY THAT SCENARIO PLANNING IS INTENSIVELY NERDY.
IT IS AMAZING WE GOT AS MUCH PARTICIPATION AS WE DID BECAUSE IT REALLY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO TINKER IN THE SANDBOX WITH YOU.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN DOING THAT, AND IT'S NOT AS POPULAR AS VOTING ON YOUR FAVORITE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
IT'S INTENSELY MORE COMPLEX, BUT WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT A WIDE GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY OF PARTICIPANTS AS WELL AS A DEPTH OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD SHOW UP NO MATTER WHAT WHEN THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PUBLIC MEETING COMING UP WITH A POSTCARD VERSUS THOSE WHO WOULD THROW THAT POSTCARD AWAY THE SECOND IT CAME THROUGH THE DOOR.
WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT A BIG SPECTRUM OF THOSE FOLKS WERE SHOWING UP.
THE WAY THAT SCENARIO PLANNING PLAYS OUT IS YOU BUILD GROWTH IDEAS, WHICH ARE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ABOUT CONCEPTS ABOUT WHERE FUTURE GROWTH COULD OCCUR, AND THEN YOU ALSO CREATE VALUE AND VISIONS AROUND PRINCIPLES THAT YOU WANT GROWTH TO ACHIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
FROM THAT, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP AND STAFF BUILT FOUR SCENARIOS.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE BUILT THE GROWTH IDEAS WAS, WE HAD IN MARCH OF 2023, A SET OF CHARRETTE WORKSHOPS WHERE WE GAMIFIED AND HAD PEOPLE PLAY A GAME WHERE THEY DIDN'T GET TO DRAW THEIR PERFECT FUTURE.
THEY GOT TO DRAW A FUTURE BASED ON WE HAD LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH GROWTH, WE HAD LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, AND WE HAD LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SOME PEOPLE GOT REALLY EASY SCENARIOS, AND SOME PEOPLE GOT REALLY HARD SCENARIOS.
THAT CHANGED THE WAY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET TO PERFECT WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THEY GOT TO PLAY IN A SANDBOX AND DO A MORE SANDBOX PARTICIPATION.
BUT THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAD MORE OF ONE RESOURCE MADE DIFFERENT DECISIONS THAN IF THAT RESOURCE WAS SCARCE FOR OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
WE USED THOSE INSIGHTS TO BUILD FOUR SCENARIOS, ONE WE REALLY HAD BUILT AHEAD OF TIME WHICH IS SCENARIO A, WHICH WE CALL THE BUSINESS AS USUAL SCENARIO.
BUSINESS AS USUAL HAD A COUPLE KEY ASSUMPTIONS, ONE IS THAT WE NEVER REZONE ANYTHING AGAIN.
WE JUST BUILD WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS AND WE MIGHT MAXIMIZE IT, WE MIGHT NOT, BUT WE REALLY STICK WITH THE STATUS QUO, AND WE MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE GROWTH WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WILL KEEP PLAYING OUT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS IN SOME VARIATION.
THE THREE OTHER SCENARIOS, THE COMPLETE COMMUNITIES, URBAN CENTERS AND CORRIDORS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND INFILL, WERE BUILT BASED OFF OF THAT WORKSHOP AND THE FEEDBACK PEOPLE GAVE US BASED ON DIFFERENT FUTURE STRESSES OR ACCESS TO RESOURCES THAT THE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE.
NOW WE ARE AT THE STEP OF TURNING THE FEEDBACK WE GOT ON THOSE FOUR SCENARIOS INTO A PREFERRED SCENARIO.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN WE ARE BUILDING A PREFERRED SCENARIO, WE'RE NOT ONLY USING THOSE THINGS WE GOT THROUGH THE SCENARIO PLANNING PROCESS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF OUR EXISTING POLICIES AND OUR EXISTING PLANNING WORK.
THE PREFERRED SCENARIO IS THE TIME TO TRUE THAT ACROSS DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WE USE AT THE FRONT COUNTER OR AT THE DIAS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THE INDIVIDUAL ABC SCENARIOS WERE TAKEN IN NOVEMBER THROUGH JANUARY TO AN ONLINE OPEN HOUSE ENVIRONMENT.
SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN IT AND PARTICIPATED, BUT IT WAS DONE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE OF THESE FOUR SCENARIOS? WE ACTUALLY STARTED BY CREATING WHAT WE CALLED THE PRIORITIES QUIZ WHICH WAS ACTUALLY BUILT A LITTLE LIKE A PERSONALITY TEST YOU MIGHT GET ON FACEBOOK, LIKE WHICH HOUSE IN HOGWARTS ARE YOU? WE ASKED PEOPLE VALUES,
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IDEAS, AND TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENT THINGS.THEN AT THE END OF THAT SURVEY, WE SAID, BASED ON YOUR VALUES AND IDEAS ABOUT COMMUNITY GROWTH IN GENERAL, HERE'S THE SCENARIO THAT'S THE BEST MATCH FOR THE FUTURE YOU ENVISION.
THEN WE ASKED THEM FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT AND THEN WE SHOWED THEM THE REPORT CARDS.
WE SAID WHEN WE MODELED THESE SCENARIOS, HERE'S THE OUTCOMES WE HAD.
ABOUT 50% OF THE TIME, PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR ANSWER.
SEEING THE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEIR VALUES MIGHT PRODUCE IN TERMS OF FUTURE OUTCOMES WAS SOMETIMES PERSUASIVE AND SOMETIMES NOT, WHICH IS HELPFUL FEEDBACK FOR US AS WELL BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE STATUS QUO MIGHT NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS IT HAS IN THE PAST.
WHAT THINGS DID WE HEAR THROUGH THE TWO QUIZZES WE ASKED PEOPLE ABOUT? WE ASKED THEM IN THE PRIORITIES QUIZ, AND I'M JUST GIVING YOU A SELECTION.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT 25 QUESTIONS THROUGH THIS ONLINE OPEN HOUSE FORMAT.
WE ASKED THEM WHAT WERE THEIR TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE FUTURE OF FLAGSTAFF.
NO ONE'S SURPRISED TO HEAR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, WALKING AND BIKING, AND CLIMATE CHANGE WERE RIGHT AT THE TOP.
THAT'S THE TOP THREE WE'VE SEEN FOR THE LAST THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS IN THE COMMUNITY, BASICALLY.
SINCE THE PANDEMIC, THESE HAVE RISEN TO THE TOP ON A REALLY REGULAR BASIS.
WE KNOW WE HAD A GOOD MATCH BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OTHER SURVEY RESULTS, WHICH IS GOOD.
WE THEN ASKED ABOUT CLIMATE GOALS, SPECIFICALLY.
WE SAID, OF THESE STRATEGIES WE MIGHT HAVE FOR MEETING OUR CLIMATE GOALS, WHICH ONES ARE ACTUALLY THE MOST HIGHEST PRIORITY ONES? THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE WE SAW A DISCONNECT BECAUSE THE CARBON NEUTRALITY PLAN AND THE SUSTAINABILITY EXPERTS WHO'VE TALKED TO US ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE SAY OUR BEST BET ON ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE IS TO ALTER THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND DO THAT PIECE OF THE WORK DIFFERENTLY.
BUT IN THE PUBLIC MINDSET, NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTION AND WATER CONSERVATION ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY CLIMATE ISSUES.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT CLIMATE ISSUES, THEY'RE JUST NOT ALWAYS THE MOST EFFECTIVE AT CHANGING HOW CARBON NEUTRALITY CAN BE REACHED IN A COMMUNITY.
THAT MADE US AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO CALIBRATE IN THIS AREA.
IN ADDITION, WE ASKED PEOPLE WHAT HOUSING TYPES THEY THOUGHT WERE APPROPRIATE FOR MEETING OUR FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS.
PEOPLE REALLY EMPHASIZED COMPACT SINGLE-FAMILY, AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OVER LARGE LOT SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
WANTING TO FIND SOMETHING MORE MODERATED TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.
WE ALSO ASKED SOME PAIRED OPTIONS FOR A FEW THINGS.
WHAT IS THE BEST WORKFORCE AND ECONOMIC STRATEGY? I THINK 10 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER HERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY THAT PEOPLE THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AND IT'S A KEY FOR WORKFORCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE REGION.
LIKEWISE, WHEN WE ASKED PEOPLE, DO WE WANT TO HAVE HOUSING OPTIONS AND COMPACT DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO TODAY, OR DO WE WANT MORE HOUSING OPTIONS AND AFFORDABILITY IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS? PEOPLE SAID THEY DO WANT MORE AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING TYPES IN THEIR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT IS A CHANGE, I THINK, THAT'S BEING DRIVEN BY THE COST OF HOUSING GOING UP SO RAPIDLY.
THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION OF WHAT ARE THE TOP PRIORITIES FOR EXPANDING OUR TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, AND WALKING AND BIKING IN CENTRAL AND EAST FLAGSTAFF, WHICH WAS TIED VERY SPECIFICALLY TO THE ONE OF THE DESIGNS WITHIN A SCENARIO.
THAT'S WHY IT SAYS CENTRAL AND EAST FLAGSTAFF WAS LISTED AS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
WHEN WE SHOWED PEOPLE THEIR RESULTS AT THE END OF THE SURVEY ABOUT PRIORITIES, MOST PEOPLE MATCHED WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL, WHICH WAS INTERESTING.
THEY SAID, WE WANT OUR VALUES MATCH THE WAY WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING THINGS.
NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL WAS A SECOND CHOICE ON THAT ONE, BUT WHEN YOU AVERAGE THEIR SCORE, SO WHEN YOU TOOK THEIR SCORE AND YOU SAID WHICH HAD THE STRONGEST AFFINITY FOR EACH SCENARIO INSTEAD OF JUST AN AVERAGE, THIS ACTUALLY PLAYED OUT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND C AND D BECAME UP TO THE TOP.
THAT BASICALLY MEANS THAT PEOPLE WHO MATCHED WITH C AND D HAD A STRONGER ALIGNMENT WITH THAT THAN PEOPLE WHO MATCHED WITH A OR B.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THAT ONE'S A LITTLE MORE TRICKY.
>> C IS URBAN CENTERS AND CORRIDORS,
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SO MORE DENSITY IN MILTON AND 66 AND OUR URBAN CENTERS.D IS NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL, SO MORE MODERATELY SCALED NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL THROUGHOUT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THEN WHEN WE LOOKED A LITTLE FURTHER AT THE DATA, I JUST LOVE A CROSS TABULATION, [LAUGHTER] SO THIS IS THE FUN STUFF FOR ME.
IF WE LOOKED AT PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL ANSWERS, AND WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THEIR COMPOSITE, INDIVIDUAL STRATEGIES AND PRIORITIES THAT SUPPORTED SCENARIO D ACTUALLY CAME OUT MUCH MORE STRONGLY AT THE TOP.
THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING TOO.
YOU MIGHT HAVE MATCHED BEST WITH SCENARIO A, BUT YOU LIKED SOME THINGS ABOUT D, AND MOST OF THE RESPONDENTS DID.
THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THE SAME DATA.
THAT'S WHEN WE INTRODUCED THE REPORT CARDS, AND THE COMMUNITY GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
SOME OF THE THINGS BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WE HAD AT OPEN HOUSES THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO PEOPLE WAS THE FACT THAT IF WE STUCK WITH THE BUSINESS AS USUAL SCENARIO, AND I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST COMPELLING STATISTICS, MORE THAN 50% OF THE WORKFORCE STARTS TO INCOMMUTE FROM OUTSIDE THE REGION, WHICH MEANS PAST DONEY PARK, PAST COSNINO, PAST BELLEMONT, OVER 50% OF THE WORK STARTS.
PEOPLE STARTS COMMUTING FROM WILLIAMS, CAMP VERDE, WINSLOW.
THAT'S WHAT THE MODEL STARTED TO SHOW US IF WE DON'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS IS WHY AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN ALSO BE CONSIDERED A CARBON NEUTRALITY ISSUE.
YOU CAN'T ACHIEVE CARBON NEUTRALITY IF YOU HAVE EXTENDED THE COMMUTE TIMES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN YOUR COMMUNITY, SO THAT WAS PRETTY COMPELLING.
ANOTHER PIECE PEOPLE FOUND COMPELLING IS THAT IN SOME SCENARIOS, A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAD DIFFERENT SORTS OF POST-FIRE FLOOD RISK VARIED.
PEOPLE TENDED TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING, WOULD THERE BE MORE UNITS AT RISK AND WHAT KIND OF RISKS COULD THEY BE EXPOSED TO BASED ON IF THEY WERE VULNERABLE TO ALLUVIAL SOIL TYPES OF FLOODING, WHICH WE SAW IN TIMBERLINE IN FERNWOOD, VERSUS 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN-STYLE FLOODING LIKE WE SAW IN THE SUNNYSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF RISKS CAUSED BY DIFFERENT FACTORS.
AFTER PEOPLE GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE OUTCOMES, AND THERE WAS BOTH A VIDEO AND THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT 11 BY 17S, WHAT WE SAW IS SCENARIO D CAME OUT STRONGER, AND WE ASKED PEOPLE TO DO RANK CHOICE VOTING ON THEM.
YOU GOT TO SAY, HERE'S MY FIRST CHOICE, HERE'S MY SECOND, HERE'S MY THIRD, AND HERE'S MY FOURTH.
ONCE PEOPLE SAW THE OUTCOMES, AND I'M SHARING ANECDOTALLY WHAT I HEARD FROM PEOPLE, THEIR TOP OUTCOMES WERE, THEIR FOURTH SCENARIO, A, BUSINESS AS USUAL BECAME THE BOTTOM CHOICE.
THIS IS INTERESTING FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN A FUTURE-THINKING EXERCISE ABOUT OUR ZONING CODE AND ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING IS WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT WHAT HOLDING OUR VALUES ALL UP AT THE SAME TIME AND NOT REALLY SHIFTING ANY OF THEM FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS LOOKS LIKE, WE DON'T GET THE OUTCOME WE WANT, AND THAT BECOMES A COMPELLING REASON TO RECONSIDER POLICIES AS WE'RE WORKING ON THE REGIONAL PLAN.
IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THIS WAS MORE HEAVILY PARTICIPATED IN, IN THE CITY AND THEN IN THE COUNTY.
SOME OF THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE TIMING.
IT WAS DURING THE WINTER AND THE COUNTY FOLKS SOMETIMES ARE MORE IMPEDED BY SNOW AND WEATHER, AND SO THEY MAY HAVE BEEN MORE RELUCTANT TO PARTICIPATE AT IN-PERSON EVENTS, THOUGH WE DID HAVE ONE EVENT IN THE COUNTY.
BUT THE OTHER INTERESTING THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE TENDENCY TOWARDS SCENARIO D WAS STRONGER IN THE CITY THAN IT WAS IN THE COUNTY.
THE HANGING ON TO SCENARIO A WAS A LITTLE STRONGER IN THE COUNTY THAN IT WAS IN THE CITY.
IT SAID THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BUT THAT THE COUNTY RESIDENTS MAY HAVE A MORE STATUS QUO APPROACH IN OUR POLICY-MAKING.
I THINK THAT THESE ARE THE TAKE HOMES THAT OUR CONSULTANT, CASCADIA PARTNERS, WROTE UP FOR THIS.
I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE SCENARIO METRICS ARE PERSUASIVE.
WE CAN WRITE POLICIES THAT DRAW IN THOSE SCENARIO METRICS AND DRAW IN WHAT WE LEARN FROM THE CODE ANALYSIS PROCESS AND OTHER WAYS OF EXAMINING OUR BUSINESS AS USUAL APPROACH CURRENTLY.
BUT IT IS GOING TO ALSO BE A CHALLENGE TO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN THAT FUTURE THINKING TO
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BE WILLING TO RELOOK AT OUR VALUES AND UNDERSTAND HOW THEY MAY NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS IN THE FUTURE.THAT'S ONE OF THOSE PIECES THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR WORKING ON THE REGIONAL PLAN, BUT OUR TOP SIX PRIORITIES WERE PRETTY CLEAR.
THESE WERE NOT ONLY CLEAR IN THIS SURVEY, BUT THIS IS A CONSISTENT OUTCOME WITH THE POLICY PRIORITY SURVEY THAT WE DID IN MAY AND JUNE AS WELL.
I THINK THAT GIVES US A STRONG CENTRAL PLACE TO WORK ON THE DRAFTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY CREATING. YES.
>> SOME OF THIS SEEMS TO BE MORE PERTINENT TO THE CITY THAN THE COUNTY.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFER AND MORE OPTIONS FOR WALKING AND BIKING, AND YOU LIST CENTRAL AND EAST FLAGSTAFF, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE PERTINENT TO THE CITY THAN THE COUNTY.
HOW ARE THESE ALL GOING TO ALIGN TOGETHER, CITY AND COUNTY?
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL IN THE CITY.
THEY ARE STILL A PART OF OUR FABRIC INTERNALLY.
THEY MAY WANT TO ARRIVE AT THEIR WORKPLACE, WHICH IS IN A VERY SUBURBAN OR URBAN ENVIRONMENT, AND BE ABLE TO WALK MORE EFFICIENTLY OR GET OTHER PLACES.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT THEIR COMMUTING TRIP, THERE MAY BE OTHER TRIPS THEY'RE INTERESTED IN TAKING THROUGH WALKING AND BIKING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> THAT WOULDN'T DRIVE A COUNTY POLICY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE COUNTY RESIDENTS KEPT THEM FROM CREATING AN AFFINITY WITH ANY OF THOSE STRATEGIES.
>> TO ADD ONTO CAROLE'S THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WITH REGARD TO HOUSING AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COUNTY AND CITY, WAS THERE RESPONSE OR MEASURABLE RESPONSE FROM THE COUNTY ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HOUSING? DO THEY EXPECT MORE MISSING MIDDLE AND SMALL, COMPACT LOWER SQUARE FOOTAGE HOUSING? I MEAN, TYPICALLY, WHAT WE SEE WITHIN THE CITY AND IN THE COUNTY IS TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS.
>> RIGHT. I THINK THAT, AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE ON THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHEN I SAW THE COUNTY ONLY RESPONSES, LIKE PEOPLE WHO IDENTIFIED AS RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, THERE WAS A LOT LESS SUPPORT FOR MISSING MIDDLE.
THEY WERE LOOKING MORE AT COMPACT SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY AS THEIR PREFERRED HOUSING TYPES.
AT THE SAME TIME, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY WAS STILL A VERY HIGHLY RANKED ISSUE.
THE CITY HAS A HOUSING PROGRAM AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MATCH, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY POLICY STAFF AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAY THEY WANT ENGAGEMENT ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A STAFF OR A PROGRAM TO BUILD THAT OFF OF UNLESS THEY START SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO KEEP HAVING WITH THEM.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE I WOULD SAY WHEN I MOVED HERE IN THE '70S, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE BUYING IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT WAS MORE AFFORDABLE.
AFFORDABILITY IN THE COUNTY IS THE SAME AS IN THE CITY, THE PRICES OF HOUSING.
TO ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ZONING IS LIKE FOR HOUSING IN THE COUNTY.
THEY HAVE BIG PARCELS OF LAND, AND ARE THEY LOOKING AT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO INFILL ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I GUESS YOU WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
HOW FAR CAN THEY PARCEL THAT IN THINGS DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY? THIS IS GOING TO BE IN A JOINT PLAN.
I GUESS THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND THEIR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS.
>> YES, THAT'LL BE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY WILL BE HAVING AT THE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, CORRECT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON? WE ARE, AS I SAID EARLIER, ALIGNING THE FINDINGS OF HOW WE TAKE THESE FOUR SCENARIOS AND TURN THEM INTO A PREFERRED SCENARIO, NOT ONLY WITH THIS FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN, BUT WITH ALL THESE OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THE ONGOING LAND AVAILABILITY AND SUITABILITY STUDY.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO TRUE UP ALL OF THESE THINGS WHILE ALSO CREATING SOME ROOM TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BUSINESS AS USUAL APPROACHES.
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ATTENDANCE AT THE REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE MEETINGS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT ONGOING, YOU, OR ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN.I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED FRAMEWORK AND DOCUMENT ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING SOON ABOUT HOW THE PREFERRED SCENARIO WILL CREATE A PATH FORWARD TO CREATING A FUTURE GROWTH ILLUSTRATION.
SOME OF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
BUT WHEN THOSE PIECES, WHICH MIGHT NOT JUMP OUT AT YOU AS GROWTH AND LAND USE ISSUES ARE AGENDIZED, I THINK THOSE ARE WELL WORTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO LOOK INTO A LITTLE AND PROVIDE US FEEDBACK.
WITH THAT, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS OR GIVE ME FEEDBACK ON THE MATERIAL THAT I'VE PRESENTED TODAY? I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND JUST HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK.
>> I'M GOING TO JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT I'VE SAID IN DIFFERENT FORMS BEFORE AND I'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO SAY IT WITH ALL OF THESE PLANS.
WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIRES ARE FROM THIS FEEDBACK FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, SMALLER HOUSES, SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WE KNOW FROM THE 10-YEAR HOUSING PLAN WHERE THEY EXAMINED WITH THE TYPICAL FAMILY SIZES SMALLER THAN IT USED TO BE.
HOW DO WE GET OUR DEVELOPER AND BUILDER PARTNERS TO ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT WE NEED?
>> I THINK THAT THAT IS REALLY THE OBJECTIVE OF THE LAND AVAILABILITY AND SUITABILITY AND THE CODE ANALYSIS PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE VERY LUCKY AND IT'S UNUSUAL I THINK, THAT WE ARE TAKING ON THESE TWO PROJECTS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
BOTH SETTING THIS FUTURE VISION AND TAKING A HARD LOOK AT THE CODE AND WHAT CODE UPDATES MAY BE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THAT VISION AT THE SAME TIME.
WHAT KIND OF CODE ISSUES ARE A HINDRANCE TOWARDS ACHIEVING THAT VISION? THE HOPE IS THAT WHEN THE REGIONAL PLAN IS ADOPTED AND HOPEFULLY RATIFIED BY VOTERS, THAT POSITIONS US TO QUICKLY MAKE CODE UPDATES, IN FACT, PROBABLY MAKE SOME CODE UPDATES EVEN AHEAD OF THAT FOR SOME ISSUES.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO CREATE ENOUGH ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROJECTS.
WHILE THE REGIONAL PLAN DOESN'T GET INTO ENOUGH DETAIL TO ANSWER ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME KEY THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE COMMITTEE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REFINING THE RESOURCE PROTECTION OVERLAY AND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE OR MEAN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED ARE GOING ON A FIELD TRIP WITH OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, MICHELLE MCNULTY, AND WITH OUR ZONING CODE MANAGER, TIFFANY ANTOL, TO GO LOOK AT SOME SITES WHERE RESOURCE PROTECTION AND THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED AND CALIBRATED MIGHT NOT BE ACHIEVING OUR NATURAL RESOURCE GOALS AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT'S NOT ACHIEVING OUR HOUSING GOALS OR HOW THAT BALANCE MIGHT NEED TO BE RELOOKED AT.
SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE BUY IN ARE HAPPENING.
BUT IT WON'T BE THAT WE HAVE IMMEDIATE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT GO WITH IT.
BUT WE ARE TESTING THEM SIDE BY SIDE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING SOMETHING IN THE PLAN THAT IS REALLY UNREALISTIC OR THAT WE COULD NEVER GET PUBLIC BUY IN FOR.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
SO THE SCENARIOS, IT MAKES SOME SENSE TO ME.
I THINK PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF THE OUTCOMES OF SCENARIO D, BUT YET THEY WANT SCENARIO A.
LET'S TRY TO BE CLEAR WITH CONNECTING THE GOALS TO THOSE OUTCOMES AND WHEN THEY'RE IN CONFLICT WITH THE OTHER ONES, THE BUSINESS AS USUAL OUTCOMES AND WHY THAT WOULD CREATE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES JUST TO GET ALL THAT UP IN FRONT SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH SCENARIO D IDEAS SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT BATTLES.
>> I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I HOPE THAT'S JUST BEING ABLE TO POINT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT THIS IS HOW THE COMMUNITY THINKS ABOUT THESE ISSUES, GIVES US AN ABILITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, I HOPE, DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK OF IT AS A MIRROR, LIKE WE CAN SHOW THOSE RESULTS TO PEOPLE AND SAY, HERE'S HOW THE COMMUNITY TENDS TO THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A SHIFT FROM D TO A AND WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE ON THAT SPECTRUM? BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WILL HOPEFULLY THEN
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UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.D IS NOT WITHOUT ISSUES, CERTAINLY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD INFILL.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THESE RESULTS IS THE RISK OF DISPLACEMENT FOR, ESPECIALLY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN MORE AFFORDABLE HISTORICALLY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR EXISTING HOMEOWNERS WHO WANT TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES AND WHO, ARE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY AND REDEVELOP THEIR PROPERTIES.
THOSE FOLKS TALK TO US ABOUT DISPLACEMENT RISK AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR RENTERS AND HOMEOWNERS IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT AS WELL AS HOW DO WE DO A BETTER JOB OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.
>> RIGHT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN LIKE SCENARIO D UNTIL IT COMES TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN IT'S NIMBY.
>> RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE AND OUR CONSULTANT HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT THIS BETWEEN NOT LIKING A DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY DISPLACING PEOPLE.
WE DON'T DO A GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
WE SAY LIKE IN THE CURRENT REGIONAL PLAN AND SAYING WHEN SOMEONE'S DISPLACED, WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT KIND OF GENTRIFICATION, IT'S NOT JUST WE LIKE OR DON'T LIKE A DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT WE ARE LOSING WORKFORCE AND LOSING COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE IS IT THE PEOPLE OR THE WAY THE COMMUNITY LOOKS THAT MAKES IT FLAGSTAFF?
I PARTICIPATED IN BOTH THE GAMING SCENARIO AND I DID THE ONLINE THING AND IT WAS INTERESTING, ESPECIALLY ON THE ONLINE ONE.
I WENT IN THINKING, I KNOW WHAT I LIKE AND I KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO END UP WITH.
IT WASN'T BUSINESS AS USUAL, BUT BOY, THOSE RAMIFICATIONS OF BUSINESS AS USUAL WERE EYE-OPENING AND I THINK THAT WAS REALLY OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT AND PEOPLE WERE ALARMED WHEN THEY MAYBE ENDED UP WITH THAT.
BUT WHAT I THOUGHT THAT SOME OF MY ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WOULD GET ME AT THE END DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET ME THERE.
THEN I WAS LIKE, WOW, I JUST WAIT IT.
I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS TURNED OUT.
I REALLY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE OVER HERE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THAT, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S PARTS OF EACH OR PARTS OF SEVERAL.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE.
I WAS FRUSTRATED AT FIRST, BUT THEN WHEN I SAT BACK AND I THOUGHT, WELL, NO ONE SCENARIO IS GOING TO BE PERFECT, AND THEY PROBABLY DO HAVE TO PULL A LITTLE FROM HERE AND THERE.
>> THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING, ISN'T IT? ISN'T IT A PARALLEL TO HOW WE EXPERIENCE THE FUTURE WHEN WE DON'T GET EXACTLY WHAT WE EXPECT AND WE FEEL FRUSTRATED ABOUT IT? I THINK THAT I HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE, THIS QUIZ IS WRONG BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET.
IT JUST MEANS THE THINGS YOU'VE CONNECTED THAT YOU THINK WILL PRODUCE AN OUTCOME DON'T ACTUALLY DO THAT.
SOME PEOPLE FOUND THAT MUCH MORE FRUSTRATING THAN OTHERS.
I DEFINITELY HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LIKE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TELL ME? WHY DON'T YOU JUST LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK? THAT'S GREAT.
BUT ALSO WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE EXAMINING WHAT THEY THINK IN A WAY THAT'S CAREFUL BECAUSE THE FUTURE IS HIGHLY VARIABLE.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF SCENARIO PLANNING IS THAT WE CAN TEST THE EXTREMES OR SWINGS AGAINST WHAT WE EXPECT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S USEFUL AND IT NEVER BOTHERED ME WHEN PEOPLE FELT THAT WAY.
I DEFINITELY HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE PRETTY INSISTENT ABOUT IT.
BUT I WAS LIKE, I THINK IF YOU TRUST THIS PROCESS, IT'LL MAKE SOME SENSE AS TO WHY WE END UP THERE.
>> IT'S PROBABLY GETTING IN THE WEEDS, BUT THE SCENARIOS THAT THIS CONSULTANT GIVES YOU IS IT BASED UPON A MODEL WITH SOME CALIBRATION AND VALIDATION THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE YEARS?
>> YEAH, WE'RE USING THE URBAN FOOTPRINT MODEL, WHICH YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE URBAN FOOTPRINT AS A PRODUCT.
BUT ALL OF THESE MODELS, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OF THEM THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION TO.
WE LOOKED AT THREE OF THEM AND THEN EVALUATED WHICH OF THOSE THREE WE THOUGHT WOULD BE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR FLAGSTAFF.
I THINK WE LOOKED AT ET PLUS URBANFOOTPRINT AND ARCGIS URBAN.
BUT WE SELECTED URBANFOOTPRINT BECAUSE IT PRODUCED MORE OF THE OUTPUTS WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IT HAD THE ABILITY TO CALIBRATE ON THE RIGHT MATERIALS.
WE HAD A CHANCE EARLY IN OUR PROCESS TO SELECT OUR SOFTWARE, WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE PICKED THE CONSULTANT WE DID IS THEY HAD EXPERIENCE IN, THEY WEREN'T JUST SELLING US THE SAME THING THEY SOLD EVERY CITY.
THEY ACTUALLY HAD EXPERIENCE IN ALL THREE KINDS OF SOFTWARE AND THEY HAD PEOPLE WHO COULD RUN ALL THREE AND WE COULD PICK THE ONE THAT WAS BEST FOR US.
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>> THAT'S GOOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS DID YOUR LEG WORK THEN BECAUSE MY CAREER IS BASED UPON MODELING AND YOU CAN GIVE AN ANSWER, ANY ANSWER YOU WANT BASED UPON THE MODEL YOU PICK.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS SPENT SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER HERE AND WHAT'S THE RIGHT MODEL, SO GOOD, GOOD ON YOU GUYS.
>> YEAH. LAST TIME WE ACTUALLY SELECTED COMMUNITYVIZ AS OUR MODEL AND WE TRIED TO RUN IT AS STAFF ON A SOMEWHAT REGULAR BASIS.
THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT STAFF HAS A LOT OF OTHER DUTIES AND HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO BECOME COMMITTED MODELERS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN THAT SKILL.
WHEN YOU ADD INTO IT TURNOVER AND NOT ENOUGH WORK IN THAT CATEGORY, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY DIFFICULT.
WE DID NOT THIS TIME ELECT TO BECOME MODELERS, LIKE THE CONSULTANT IS DOING THE MODELING AND WE ARE EVALUATING IT AND OFFERING FEEDBACK AND MAKING SURE IT'S CALIBRATED.
BUT THE MODEL WILL BE A SNAPSHOT OF THE REGIONAL PLAN GOALS AND OUTCOMES.
BUT IT WON'T BE SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK INTO AND KEEP PLAYING WITH.
WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO KEEP THAT UP TO DATE.
>> I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE ON THAT OTHER GAMING EXERCISE THAT WAS AVAILABLE, HOW INTERESTING IT WAS TO SEE A VERY LARGE SCALE MAP OF THE ENTIRE CITY, COUNTY AREA AND HOW MANY PEOPLE REALIZED THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY OR THE COUNTY FOR YEARS OR WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN AN OVERVIEW LIKE THAT, WHERE IT BECOMES REALLY QUITE OBVIOUS, WHERE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO GO, AND HOW THINGS REALLY SHOULD WORK.
I JUST THINK JUST MY OBSERVATION WAS THAT IT WAS SO EYE-OPENING FOR THOSE THAT REALLY DON'T LOOK AT THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL THE MORE YOU CAN GET THAT OVERVIEW MAP IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
I THINK IT HELPS THEM UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
>> LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AT COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS MISCELLANEOUS
[7. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TO/FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS]
ITEMS TO AND FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS. ALEX.I PROVIDED NEW COMMISSIONERS THE PACKET OR THE BINDER WITH THE TRAINING MATERIAL.
IF YOU DON'T, LET ME KNOW AND I CAN PRINT OUT ONE.
I'M NOT SURE I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU.
I THINK THE WAY THEY EMAILED IT TO ME, IT WAS LIKE MULTIPLE GIANT FILES KIND OF THING.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE EVERYONE A LINK TO AN OLD P&Z MEETING WHERE WE DID TRAINING IN PERSON, WHICH I THINK, BY ALL MEANS, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THAT BINDER.
BUT I THINK THAT WATCHING THE TRAINING IS, AT LEAST FOR ME, MORE ACCESSIBLE, A LITTLE MORE ENTERTAINING, PERHAPS, IF YOU'RE ENTERTAINED BY SUCH THINGS.
ANYWAY. THEN I WAS TELLING CAROLE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS HERE FIRST.
I THINK IN ONE OF OUR FUTURE MEETINGS, WE'LL AGENDIZE VOTING FOR A NEW CHAIR AND A NEW VICE CHAIR.
AS I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, MARK'S GOING TO HELP ME GET NAME PLATES SO YOU'LL FEEL ALL OFFICIAL, AND THEN YOU CAN CLAIM YOUR SEAT.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO THANK YOU.
>> I THINK BOB HAS MY OLD SEAT.
>> YOU CAN JUST MESS WITH US AND PUT OUR NAME PLATES IN ALL DIFFERENT PLACES EVERY TIME.
>> I'LL JUST PUT THEM ALL OVER.
>> THERE YOU GO. OR IN HONOR OF EASTER, I'LL HIDE THEM AROUND THE ROOM AND WELL.
>> COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING TO AND FROM? JUST WELCOME EVERYBODY.
WE INTRODUCED OURSELVES BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED AND HOPE TO GET TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS WE GO THROUGH THINGS.
HOPEFULLY, THIS WASN'T TOO DAUNTING FOR YOU.
AS I SAID, WHEN IAN AND I THINK MARCHELL STARTED, WE WERE IN A BIG DISCUSSION WITH THE HOSPITAL AND
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THEY GOT INITIATED WITH A GOB OF MATERIAL RIGHT AWAY.SO THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER INTRODUCTION INTO PLANNING AND ZONING THAN COMING IN ON THAT HUGE HOSPITAL VOTE.
WELCOME AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK OUR NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY VERY EDUCATED IN PLANNING.
SO IT'S FUNNY THAT THEY WOULD START OFF WITH THESE EASIER THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE AMONGST THE THREE OF THEM, I THINK, QUITE AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND.
>> WOW. I'D LOVE TO LEARN THEIR BACKGROUNDS.
>> CAN I ASK WHAT YOU DO AT WORK AND HOW YOUR BACKGROUND IS RELATED? CAN I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS IN OUR TO AND FROM?
>> HI, MEGAN. I'M MAJORED IN [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M SELF-EMPLOYED, BUT THEN I ALSO WORK AS A REALTOR.
>> IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE, I'VE WORKED AT THE PORT OF SAN DIEGO, THE VISTA IRRIGATION DISTRICT, THE CITY OF VISTA, THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORKING IN DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
EVEN WHEN I GOT HERE, I DID SOME PART-TIME WORK AT THE COUNTY TREASURER'S OFFICE, WHICH WAS ILLUMINATING IN TERMS OF HOW THE HOUSING WORKS, AND TAXES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO BORE YOU TODAY AND GET INTO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE MONETARY TRIGGERS ARE REALLY POWERFUL IN DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
I LIVE OVER OFF OF IN LOWER GREENLAW, SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT INFILL, BUT I DID VOTE FOR NUMBER 4.
I'M WORKING AT NAU PART TIME AND JUST REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> WELL, WELCOME. YOU LIVE CLOSE TO ME.
I LIVE UP IN SWISS MANOR, WHICH IS UP AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, SO MY WATER ROLLS DOWN TO YOU, [LAUGHTER] AND ANY STONES. CARLTON.
>> I WORK AS A PLANNER FOR NORTH DESIGN HERE IN TOWN.
BEFORE THAT, I WORKED WITH SARAH FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, IN LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR THE CITY.
I ALSO HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.
I WORKED IN TOWN DOING THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
>> I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT. DOING WHAT?
>> CIVIL ENGINEERING. THANK YOU.
THEN, WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED WHAT WE DO. SO MARY.
I WAS IN MARKETING MY ENTIRE CAREER AND PRIMARILY WORKED WITH BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS.
MOST OF THOSE 10 YEARS, I WAS STILL DOING WORK IN CALIFORNIA WHERE I HAD MOVED FROM.
SO I'M JUST FAMILIAR WITH THAT AVENUE OF THINGS.
WE DO DRAINAGE DESIGN IN MY COMPANY, A LOT OF MODELING, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE DO THE POST-FIRE TYPE STUFF.
I LIVE IN THE TOWNHOMES ON 4TH STREET IN BUTLER, SO I SEE THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY AND ALL THAT.
>> AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL ME STEPPING OUT EARLIER, I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR HERE IN TOWN, DO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
PRIMARILY REMODEL, BUT SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THAT 15 YEARS WITH MY COMPANY, AND I'VE LIVED HERE IN FLAGSTAFF 30 YEARS, SO I'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
>> FOR ME, I WAS RECRUITED FROM A FORMER COMMISSION MEMBER JUST BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT, YOU HAD BRAINS.
ANYHOW, I'VE LIVED IN THE CITY SINCE 1975, SO A VERY LONG TIME.
WHEN I MOVED HERE, YOU COULDN'T SEE NAU FROM MILTON BECAUSE THE RIORDAN'S OWNED THAT WHOLE LAND FROM UNIVERSITY TO RIORDAN AND IT WAS ALL TREES.
YOU COULDN'T SEE, THERE WAS TREES, TO WHERE IT IS NOW AND THE CITY, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE.
THERE WAS SOME, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS IT IS NOW.
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IT'S JUST THAT WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS OF HOW IT'S GROWN AND HOW IT CAN GROW IN THE FUTURE.MY BIGGEST INTEREST IS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL.
THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.