>> ARE WE STREAMING? CAN EVERYONE HEAR US?
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>> WELCOME, EVERYONE TO THIS APRIL 17TH MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
[1. Call to Order NOTICE OF OPTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION Pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the Heritage Preservation Commission and to the general public that, at this regular meeting, the Heritage Preservation Commission may vote to go into executive session, which will not be open to the public, for legal advice and discussion with the City’s attorneys for legal advice on any item listed on the following agenda, pursuant to A.R.S. §38-431.03(A)(3).]
IT IS NOW 4:00 PM.WE WILL START WITH A ROLL CALL.
>> SHELLI DEA. EXCUSED. ABBY BUCKHAM.
>> PRESENT. DUFFIE WESTHEIMER.
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A QUORUM.
GREAT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER TO READ IT?
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
>> THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES
[3. LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT The Heritage Preservation Commission humbly acknowledges the ancestral homelands of this area’s Indigenous nations and original stewards. These lands, still inhabited by Native descendants, border mountains sacred to Indigenous peoples. We honor them, their legacies, their traditions, and their continued contributions. We celebrate their past, present, and future generations who will forever know this place as home.]
THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THE AREAS INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM, THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[4. Public Comment At this time, any member of the public may address the Commission on any subject within their jurisdiction that is not scheduled before the Commission on that day. Due to Open Meeting Laws, the Commission cannot discuss or act on items presented during this portion of the agenda. To address the Commission on an item that is on the agenda, please wait for the Chair to call for Public Comment at the time the item is heard.]
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ONLINE WHO HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? I ASSUME THERE ARE NO INVISIBLE ATTENDEES IN THE ROOM.WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
[A. Approve the minutes of the March 20, 2024 Heritage Preservation Commission meeting. REQUESTED ACTION: Review and possible approval of minutes.]
COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM MENTIONED THAT SHE FOUND SOME ERRORS AND COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AS WELL, AND POTENTIALLY OTHERS.LET'S GET THOSE ON THE RECORD.
>> SECTION 6A, IT SAYS THE BUSINESS HAS AN ASSIGNED CONTRACTOR, BUT HASN'T BEEN UNABLE TO GET THEIR FULL MATCHING FUNDS.
I'M SURE THAT MEANS HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THEIR FUNDS.
ON SECTION 6B, IT'S REALLY SMALL.
EAVES IS E-A-V-E, NOT E-V-E, AND THEN I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT SECTION, I GUESS 6C.
IT SAYS THAT MARK NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE NATIONAL STAR LANDMARK DISTRICT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? IT DIDN'T RING A BELL.
>> I THINK THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
>> NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
>> MARK, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY? NATIONAL START LANDMARK? HISTORIC LANDMARK?
>> HISTORIC LANDMARK ISN'T RIGHT.
SHOULD BE THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, TOWN SITE DISTRICT, AND IN THE TOWN SITE DESIGN REVIEW?
>> OR IS THERE A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT?
>> THAT'S THE ONE ON MARS HILL.
>> THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, THEN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER DEA HAS SINCE ARRIVED.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY PRESENT?
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEA. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, ANY FURTHER NOTES YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE MARCH AGENDA? A MINUTE.
>> YEAH. ALSO IN, WHAT IS IT, 6C IN NUMBER 4, AND WE'RE PROPOSING IT'S A CAPITAL A SIX INCH REVEAL.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A LOWER CASE A, WHICH WILL MAKE MORE SENSE THAN CAPITAL A SIX INCH.
SIDING, CROSS OUT THE AND, AND THEN ON THE LINE ABOVE, THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR HOME MORE COMPATIBLE THAN APPEARANCE.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN APPEARANCE.
THEN IN 7A, IN THE SECOND TO LAST LINE, I GUESS IT SAYS STAINED GLASS IS BEING RESORTED ACCURATELY, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE RESTORED.
THEN IN C, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AFTER 1940.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SPECIFIC IN THE CODE OR IF IT'S JUST AFTER WORLD WAR II.
DO YOU KNOW, MARK? C ON THE SECOND LAST LINE, IT SAYS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDED EVERYTHING AFTER 1940 SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY 1940 OR AFTER WORLD WAR II, WHICH IS.
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>> IF I MAY, I THINK, SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WAS STATED AT LAST MEETING WAS NOTHING AFTER WORLD WAR II, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A DATE PROVIDED.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
>> I THOUGHT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT WORLD WAR II ERA LIKE TRACT HOUSING.
SOMETHING FROM THE '50S COULD BE HISTORIC, BUT THAT JUST BATCH OF POST WAR.
>> PRODUCTION HOUSING, THAT'S THE WORD.
>> DO WE WANT TO SAY 1945, SINCE THAT'S WHEN THE WAR ENDED.
>> I THINK THESE ARE MINUTES, AND THEY SHOULD REFLECT WHAT WAS SAID AT THE MEETING.
WE'RE NOT CORRECTING THINGS BECAUSE WE KNOW THEM TO BE INACCURATE.
THIS IS WHAT WAS STATED AT THE MEETING.
>> BUT I THINK, YES, MAYBE INCLUDING PRODUCTION HOUSING, IS WHAT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT IN THIS CONVERSATION.
>> I THINK IT'S POST WORLD WAR II PRODUCTION HOUSING.
>> ANYONE ELSE? IT LOOKS LIKE BOTH COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER AND COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM ARE TAKING NOTES AND CAN PROVIDE EDITS, AS WELL.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR CATCHING THOSE.
A LOT OF THOSE CHANGED THE MEANING OF A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS.
HAVING GONE THROUGH THOSE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS?
>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEA.
>> ANY OPPOSED? THE MINUTES OF MARCH 20TH, 2024 ARE APPROVED WITH AMENDMENTS.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ONTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS,
[A. 601 W Cherry Facade Grant Request PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 601 W Cherry Ave Assessor's Parcel Number: 10012016 Property Owner: Erik & Amanda Schiefer-Stan Applicant: SchiefeStan City Staff: Mark Reavis HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Approve a grant match request for Level 1 funding for previously submitted plans for improvements to 601 W Cherry Ave. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a grant match request for Level 1 funding for previously submitted plans for improvements to 601 W Cherry Ave.]
STARTING WITH 601 WEST CHERRY STREET.MARK, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT?
>> YEAH, I CAN INTRODUCE IT, AND THEN THE ARCHITECT OD IS ONLINE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN BE UNMUTED.
THERE WE GO. CAN YOU HEAR US, OR CAN WE HEAR YOU?
>> SHE'LL NEED TO UNMUTE HERSELF.
THIS SHOULD BE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH YOU BECAUSE WE DID REVIEW 601 WEST CHERRY STREET, THE LITTLE CMU BUILDING THAT THEY ARE MAKING MORE COMPATIBLE AND MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.
THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPROVED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND THEY ALSO SAW THAT WE HAVE OUR FACADE MATCH PROGRAM.
THEY HAD ASKED IF THEY COULD APPLY FOR A LEVEL 1 FUNDING FOR $10,000 TO DO AND HELP WITH THAT SIZABLE IMPROVEMENT TO THEIR HOME.
I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IF YOU WANT ME TO COVER ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THE DESIGN, I CAN DO THAT.
BUT I AM RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A GRANT MATCH FOR LEVEL 1 FUNDING FOR THE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED PLANS THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED FOR OUR IMPROVEMENTS TO 601 WEST CHERRY FOR THE AMOUNT OF $10,000 OR HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MODIFY THAT.
>> HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN SINCE LAST MONTH?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF OD WANTS TO ADD IN OR NOT, SO AFTER THE COMMISSION IS DONE.
>> DO THE DESIGNERS OR HOMEOWNERS WANT TO ADD ANYTHING?
>> WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, OD. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
NO, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO ADD ANYTHING.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE PLAN, AND WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR THE GRANT.
THE FIRST TIME WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PROPOSE WAS ADEQUATE AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE APPROVED.
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WE ARE REQUESTING FOR THE FACADE GRANT. THANK YOU.>> HAVE YOU DECIDED ON COLORS YET.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE STILL CONSIDERING LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH?
>> WE HAD SOME SAMPLE NAME OF FINISHES, BUT IT IS NOT 100% FINALIZED.
I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO BE DECIDED ONCE THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST APPLY SOME SAMPLE ON THE WALLS AND NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THEY WANT TO START THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS BEFORE FINALIZING THE COLOR.
>> I THINK ANY CONCEPTUAL WAY IT'S PRESENTED AS THE BODY COLOR IS LIGHT AND THE TRIM COLOR IS DARKER.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE CONSISTENT.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'LL BE MONITORING TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BRIGHT PURPLE? I MEAN, IT WORKS FOR CRYSTAL MAGIC.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
>> I WAS LOOKING AT THE BUDGET PAGE, AND IS THIS GRANT REQUEST BASED ON THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION BUDGET OR ON SPECIFIC PORTIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR WITH THE PAPERWORK?
>> RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A FULL SET OF PLAN SINCE WE CANNOT GET AN ESTIMATE UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL SET OF PLAN.
BUT THE CLIENT HAVE A BUDGET OF ROUGHLY 250,000 AND WITH THE MY SMALL AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PRICING, I'M PRETTY SURE BY RE-DOING THE STUCCO, THE PAINT, THE TRIM, THE CABROS, THE STONE, WE'D BE WELL OVER THE $20,000 TO HAVE THE MATCH FOUND OF 10,000.
IT MEANS IT IS NOT SPELLED OUT FOR EACH PART, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST, BUT WE'LL BE WELL OVER 20,000 WITH WHAT COMES INTO PLAY FOR THE FACADE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DUFFIE?
>> ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, HOMEOWNERS, OR HPO REVIS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> I HAVE ONE DOWN THERE THAT'S RECOMMENDED, AND THEN THE AMOUNT ISN'T STATED, SO I WOULD STATE THE AMOUNT.
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE LEVEL 1 MAXIMUM.
>> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DECIDING BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A GRANT MATCH REQUEST FOR LEVEL 1 FUNDING FOR $10,000 FOR PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED PLANS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO 601 WEST CHERRY AVENUE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT.
PLEASE SEND US PICTURES ONE INSTEAD.
>> NO ONE EVER TELLS US HOW PRETTY THEY LOOK WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
[B. 101 N Leroux Restaurant Storefront PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 101 N Leroux Street Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-19-001-A Property Owner: Karan Patel & Rochelle Danial Applicant: Ben Mayer City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Request for a Certificate of Appropriateness for window and door modifications to the facade. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for window and door replacements at 101 N Leroux Street with the conditions: (1) Replacement windows are divided in a manner that replicates the current windows and are operable in the manner described in the submittal (2) Light fixtures should be modified to meet dark-sky requirements.]
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO 101 NORTH LOUVRE, RESTAURANT STOREFRONT. MARK?>> THIS IS 101 NORTH LOUVRE STREET.
IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF LOUVRE.
IT'S THAT WHOLE BLOCK OF RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES.
IT IS, WE'LL CALL IT CERTAINLY A SPANISH REVIVAL.
WE WON'T GET INTO THE DESIGN DETAILS OF WHAT'S WHAT.
BUT IT'S THAT SPANISH REVIVAL THAT WAS POPULAR IN DOWNTOWN FLAGSTAFF, SUCH AS FOR THE HOTEL MONTE VISTA AND SOME OF THOSE TRENDS IN USING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING IN THAT BLOCK THAT FORMS THAT ESSENTIAL CORNER.
I HAVE SOME OLDER PICTURES OF WHEN JCPENNEY'S COMPANY WAS THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVEN'T.
THE BUILDING HAS GONE THROUGH SOME CHANGES.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH SOME POSITIVE CHANGES ON UNCOVERING SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ON THE SOUTH.
THERE ARE SOME CLOSED OFF ARCHED FORMS THAT WERE UNCOVERED WITH THE LAST REHAB, RE-STUCCOING AND PAINTING A LIGHTER COLOR.
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THE EAST FACING FACADE ON LOUVRE HAS HAD WINDOWS CHANGED OUT.SO THEY WERE BASIC METAL STOREFRONT WINDOWS.
THIS PROJECT PROPOSES TO MODIFY THOSE REPLACED WINDOWS WITH SIMILAR TYPE OF WINDOW METAL FRAMING, STOREFRONT FRAMING, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPERABLE.
SO THIS IS THAT TREND TO MAKE DINING SPACES CONNECT WITH THE OUTSIDE.
THIS PROJECT IS FOLDABLE STOREFRONT WINDOWS THAT OPENS UP THE INTERIOR TO THE EXTERIOR, AND THEN, LIKE THE RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR TO ALSO DO THE STREET TYPE DINING WITH SOME NEW FENCE WORK AND SOME PLANTERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
THE ONLY REAL PRINCIPAL CHANGE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THAT STOREFRONT, IT'S DIVIDED THE SAME WAY.
THOSE OPERABLE WINDOWS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALL BASE PLATE THAT'S OBSCURE, THAT ISN'T ALL GLASS, BUT IT'S NOT VERY BIG AT ALL.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PRINCIPAL CHANGE THAT'S THERE.
THE ARCHITECT DID SUBMIT AND MAKE PART OF THE SUBMISSION, A LOT OF LIGHT FIXTURES.
I WASN'T CONFIDENT IF ALL OF THEM HAD MET DARK SKY STANDARDS OR NOT, BUT THEY WERE PART OF THE SUBMISSION.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES ON THOSE, AND WE USUALLY DON'T GO TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ON APPROVING LIGHT FIXTURES.
SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WOULD BE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE.
I WENT THROUGH THE TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT.
THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC OVERLAY DESIGN GUIDELINES, I LISTED THOSE.
I FELT THAT THERE WERE SOME ASPECTS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT SHOULD BE NOTED AS WELL AND THEN LOOKED AT THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE ON HOW YOU WOULD TREAT THE BUILDING.
THERE WASN'T AN INVENTORY FORM FOR THIS BUILDING, SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS PAST WORLD WAR II, WORKING TOWARD THE LATE '40S OR EARLY '50S.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I BELIEVE SINCE THE CHANGE IS RELATIVELY SMALL, THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHO THE REPRESENTATIVE IS FOR THIS PROJECT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] OF MY DESIGN STUDIO.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR COMMENT ON FOR CONTEXT?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY MORE INVITING.
IT'S THE SAME CHEF AS THE RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR.
THIS IS HER SECOND CONCEPT THERE.
TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME FAMILY.
AND YEAH, JUST WANTED TO BRING A BIT OF ACTIVITY TO THE FRONT FACADE AND HAVING THAT KIND OF BISTRO FEEL WITH THE ABILITY TO OPEN UP SOME OF THAT STOREFRONT.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER HAYES.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NIGHT SKY FOR MARK.
SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THAT, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW THE STANDARDS, DOES ANY BUSINESS DOWNTOWN NEED TO GO TO THE CITY FOR NIGHT SKY STANDARDS?
>> YES. FOR ANY CHANGES TO LIGHTING, ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
AND IT'S PRIMARILY, THE THEORY IS SHIELDED LIGHTING AND DOWN LIGHTING, AND COLOR IS ANOTHER OPTION AS WELL THAT SOMETIMES HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
WE'RE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE A PERSON THAT HANDLES THAT DIRECTLY WITHIN CODE COMPLIANCE.
>> MARK, I KNOW YOU SAID WE DON'T USUALLY GET INTO THE DESIGN OF FIXTURES, BUT THAT'S A CRAFTSMAN DESIGN, AND IT REALLY DOESN'T GO WITH A MEDITERRANEAN SPANISH REVIVAL STYLE BUILDING.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME TO DO SOMETHING THAT IT FITS THE CHARACTER BETTER OF THE BUILDING THAN A CRAFTSMAN DESIGN.
>> I CAN REVIEW WHATEVER IS PROPOSED THAT MEETS DARKSKY STANDARDS.
I CAN REVIEW THOSE. AND IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN A MOTION ON COMPATIBILITY, I CAN DO THAT.
>> ONE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] SAYS IT WAS MATCHING EXISTING.
IS THERE ALREADY LIGHTING IN THERE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO REPLICATE? ARE THESE GOING TO BE ALL BRAND NEW DESIGNS?
>> THERE ARE EXISTING LIGHTS THERE.
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HI, I'M LANE FROM MENDIL AND MEYER.THERE ARE EXISTING LIGHTS THERE.
WE JUST DID A PHOTO MATCH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONES THAT WE COULD PROPOSE WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE IF WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH ANOTHER FIXTURE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HAYES.
>> THE EXISTING LIGHT FIXTURE THAT'S THERE IS PROBABLY FROM A PREVIOUS REMODEL, I WOULD ASSUME.
>> YES. THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS CAUTIONED PEOPLE TO GO BEYOND ME BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE TO BE COORDINATED WITH OTHER STAFF PEOPLE.
>> LOOKING AT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR PROPOSED FIXTURE DOES LOOK AN AWFUL LOT LIKE THE EXISTING.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE EXISTING FOR THE LAST REMODEL OF THE BUILDING WAS EXACTLY APPROPRIATE FOR ITS CONSTRUCTION STYLE.
>> YEAH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CHANGE OUT THE LIGHT FITTING TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S NOT A STICKING POINT FOR US AT ALL.
>> COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO.
>> ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WOULD PREFER IF THE LIGHT FIXTURES WERE MORE OF A MEDITERRANEAN THAN THE CURRENT CRAFTSMAN STYLE THAT DOESN'T QUITE FIT? OKAY, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.
>> COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT?
>> I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON IF THE OPENINGS WHERE THE WINDOWS ALONG LARUE AND ASPEN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGED AT ALL OR JUST WHAT'S IN THERE WILL BE CHANGED?
>> THE OPENING STAYS THE SAME.
THE WINDOW ENDS UP BEING AN ACCORDION TYPE OF FOLD THAT WILL COME INTO THE INSIDE SLIGHTLY INTO THE OUTSIDE, AND THEN THOSE RAILINGS GO IN THERE.
IT'S NOT A WALK THROUGH TYPE SITUATION.
THE CORNER OPENING WILL STILL BE THERE AND THE FENCE WILL GO AROUND THERE.
THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH MATCHING THAT SIMPLE PATTERN OF THE FENCING NEXT DOOR. THAT EXISTS.
AND THE INTERIOR MODEL IS EXTENSIVE, SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL ENJOY THAT.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A SMALL PORTION OF A BIGGER REHAB.
>> WELL, BUT THE ENTRY IS MOVING.
>> THEY'RE JUST MOVING A DOOR FROM ONE SIDE AND TAKING OUT A WINDOW.
THERE WAS A DOOR ENTERING FROM ONE DIRECTION.
NOW THERE'S A DOOR ENTERING ANOTHER DIRECTION.
YEAH. AND PRETTY MUCH A STANDARD STORE FRONT TYPE OF OPENING METAL DOOR AGAIN.
SO THE ENTRY INTO THE RESTAURANT FROM THE SIDEWALK WILL BE IN THE ORIGINAL?
>> OKAY. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENCLOSED NOW.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENCLOSED OR GLAZED.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING THAT MORE ENCLOSURE, BUT IT'S PRETTY ESSENTIAL IN THAT ARCHITECTURAL FORM TO HAVE THAT OPENING THAT'S WELCOMING.
>> SO NO CHANGES TO THE BUILDING, IT COULD ALL BE REVERSED EASILY WITHOUT CHANGING THE BUILDING?
>> AND THEN EVERYTHING ON SECOND STORY STAYS THE SAME.
>> THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE EAST FACING WINDOWS, NOT THE SOUTH?
>> YEAH. THEN I THINK ANOTHER GREAT THING THAT HAPPENED HERE IS OPERABLE AWNINGS.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY POSITIVE THING FOR MOST PEOPLE TO DO HERE.
THAT REALLY KICKS US BACK TO WHAT WESTERN STOREFRONTS WERE LIKE WITH OPERABLE AWNINGS.
SO WHEN SUN'S OUT, WHEN THE RAIN COMES, AND THE SNOW COMES, THEY GO BACK IN.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY APPROPRIATE FORM INSTEAD OF SOME OF THESE SOLID FRAMES THAT ARE SLAPPED ON THE FACE.
BUT SOME OF THOSE WILL STILL STAY ON THE SOUTH.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE FORMS ARE HEMISPHERICAL, AND THEY MATCH THE ARCHES THAT ARE THERE.
SO THEY'RE STILL APPROPRIATE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THERE.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DO A SIMPLE CHARCOAL COLOR.
THERE WAS A SUBMISSION THAT SHOWED STRIPED BONDINGS, BUT THEY'RE DOING A SOLID.
>> MARK, I REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW, WHEN THEY FIRST WERE REDOING THE STUCCO, THEY UNCOVERED THOSE MURALS.
NOT MURALS, BUT THERE WAS AN OLD ADVERTISEMENT OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN THEY JUST RE-STUCCOED OVER IT? IS THAT GOING TO BE IMPACTED AT ALL?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
I DON'T RECALL THOSE GO SIGNS BEING UNCOVERED.
>> WAS THAT A DIFFERENT BUILDING? MAYBE I'M JUST OFF BY A BLOCK.
NO. I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS THAT BUILDING.
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>> FEEL LIKE YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT IN A MEETING.
>> I DO PRESERVE GO SIGNS IN A BIG WAY.
IF THEY'RE UNDER THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPACTED.
>> IF THEY'RE GOING TO DRILL AWNINGS INTO NEW PLACES, SO MAYBE WE COULD CHECK BACK IN THE PAPERWORK TO SEE IF I'M CRAZY OR THINKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT BUILDING.
>> YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR AWNINGS ARE GOING TO BE MOUNTED TO THE EXISTING STEEL AND NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE BRICK OR STUCCO AREA. PRETTY SURE OF THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
>> I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDED MOTION ON PAGE 2.
>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. THEN, DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOW AND DOOR PLACEMENTS AT 101 NORTH LARUE STREET WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE DIVIDED IN A MANNER THAT REPLICATES THE CURRENT WINDOWS AND ARE OPERABLE IN THE MANNER DESCRIBED IN THE SUBMITTAL, AND THAT LIGHT FIXTURES SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO MEET DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS AND PREFERENCE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED. IS THAT OKAY?
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
YEAH, MARK, IF YOU COULD JUST LOOK BACK AND SEE IF WE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT 101 NORTH LARUE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> YES. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THOSE [INAUDIBLE] WERE.
THE PROJECT WAS LOOKED AT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND I THINK THINGS WERE PROPOSED, AND THEN IT STALLED OUT.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CRAZY AT ALL.
>> I REMEMBER BEING LIKE, "HEY GUYS, COME LOOK AT THE THINGS ON THE LAND." ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M EXCITED FOR OUR OUTDOOR SEATING IN FLAGSTAFF.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST OF TWO AGENDA ITEMS
[C. England House B&B Certificate of Appropriateness Townsite PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 614 W Santa Fe Assessor's Parcel Number: 100-23-007 Property Owner: Cattail Properties AZ, LLC Applicant: Mac Axelrod, Trustee City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: The applicant has requested a “Certificate of Appropriateness” to be approved for the rehabilitation of the sunroom addition to the home that includes a new foundation, rehabilitation of the sunroom structure and the upper 2nd story room. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness for the England House sunroom rehabilitation, conditioned upon revisions to the plan set for the foundation’s stone face rehabilitation, that meet the US Secretary of the Interior’s Standards and Guidelines. Heritage Preservation Officer may approve the modified plans to confirm rehabilitation technique and detailing of sunroom’s wood structure.]
ABOUT THE 614 WEST SANTA FE ENGLAND HOUSE BED AND BREAKFAST, WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE VANESSA IS AVAILABLE. SHE IS STILL AVAILABLE.
THE ENGLAND HOUSE ON SANTA FE IS CERTAINLY ONE OF OUR PREMIER BUILDINGS AND JUST AN AMAZING STONE STRUCTURE THAT IS INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS PART OF THE TOWN SITE DISTRICT AND IS ALSO IN THE OVERLAY.
I JUST TOOK FROM THEIR WEBSITE A DESCRIPTION OF THE BUILDING, AND HOW IT WAS UNIQUE.
THE MATTER AT HAND IS ACTUALLY THE SUN ROOM ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE STRUCTURAL FAILURE OF THE STONE WORK FROM SANTA FE.
SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, I BELIEVE THE SUN ROOM WAS AN ADDITION, AND THEN THEY PUT ANOTHER ROOM ON TOP OF THE SUN ROOM.
THE SUN ROOM WAS RATHER FRAGILE AND ENDED UP CRUSHING THE STONE FOUNDATION AND SHOOTING IT OUT THE SIDES.
IF YOU'RE IN THE SUN ROOM, IT HAS A CERTAIN SLOPE TO THE FLOOR.
THE APPEARANCE CERTAINLY DETRACTS FROM THIS VERY UNIQUE BED AND BREAKFAST AND ALL THE INTERIOR WORK THAT EXISTS THERE.
THE APPLICANT IS THE CONTRACTOR WITH THE OWNER'S PERMISSION.
IT HAS SLIGHTLY CHANGED OWNERSHIP WITH THE FORMER OWNER.
IF THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, THAT'S SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION, THAT THERE'S A TRUSTEE THAT IS IN CHARGE OF THE BUILDING NOW.
THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME.
ARCHITECT ALSO DESIGNED PRELIMINARY WORK REGARDING MEETING BUILDING CODES, PROPOSING A CEMENT BLOCK FOUNDATION.
I DID LOOK AT THOSE DRAWINGS AND DID FIND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THE WAY THEY ARE SHOWN.
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IT'S A SANDSTONE FOUNDATION THAT NEEDS TO MATCH.IF WE'RE GOING WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF REVIEW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHES DETAILING PLACEMENT ON WHERE IT LINES UP WITH THE WOOD WORK, AND THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWING ALSO SHOWED THE STONE GOING UP THE WOOD PHASE.
BUT THE CONTRACTOR AND VANESSA THAT'S HERE DOING THE APPLICATION HAS REALLY PUT TOGETHER HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ON THIS PROJECT.
BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT PUTTING THE FOUNDATION BACK IN, SO IT MATCHES THE APPEARANCE, TAKING OUT ALL THE WINDOWS BECAUSE ALL THE FRAMING IS WARPED, SAVING THOSE ADJUSTING AND MAKING SURE THOSE ALL GO BACK IN.
IN THE WRITING, THEY'VE MADE QUITE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ON THIS PROJECT.
I QUOTED THE TOWN SITE DESIGN STANDARDS AND ALSO THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND ALSO NOTED THE MASONRY IN THE GUIDELINES ON HOW YOU SHOULD TREAT THAT AND BE VERY ACCURATE ABOUT HOW YOU DO MASONRY REPAIRS ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE CERTAINLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE TOWN SITE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AGAIN, THE WRITE UP MEETS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THE DRAWING AGAIN IDENTIFIED MALPI STONE, WE KNOW IT'S SANDSTONE.
WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED, AND I'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR IN MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET THOSE SUBTLE DETAILS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE US SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE SUN ROOM ENDS UP BEING RESTORED, NOT LOOKING LIKE IT DOES WITH THE STONE FALLING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, AND THAT WE END UP WITH A REALLY HIGH QUALITY BUILDING FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR GUESTS.
>> ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, VANESSA?
>> I DO. I'M READY TO SHARE THAT NOW.
>> THERE YOU HAVE THE ENGLAND HOUSE.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE ENGLAND HOUSE THAT FACES SANTA FE.
I ALSO PULLED THIS FROM THE WEBSITE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THIS EXTRAORDINARY ENGLAND HOUSE BUILT IN 1902 BY THE MASTER STONE CUTTER WILLIAM ENGLAND AND BARBARA MICHAEL BACH, ENGLAND HAS BEEN CAREFULLY PRESERVED FOR YOUR FAMILY TO ENJOY.
BUT THE RED AND WHITE STONE IS LOCALLY QUARRIED AND HAND CUT AND THE DESIGN OF THE HOME ITSELF IS UNIQUE.
BARBARA, A HARDWORKING WOMAN WHO WAS PART OF SEVERAL SOCIETIES AND WORKED AS A NURSE, LIVED IN THE HOME FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND BUILT IT AS A FAMILY HOME.
THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT IS STILL USED ESSENTIALLY AS A FAMILY HOME, AND NONE OF THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IN OUR PROPOSAL.
TRS ARCHITECT IS THE ONE WHO PUT TOGETHER THESE PLANS FOR US.
THESE SHOW BASICALLY THE FOUNDATION AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SECURED AND STABILIZED.
YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A COPY OF THOSE ALREADY. THIS IS A PICTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE SUN ROOM ACTUALLY IN THE BACK THAT YOU COULDN'T SEE IN THE FRONT PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SLANTING HERE ALREADY.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO RESTORE THE BUILDING TO WORKING ORDER AND PREVENT IT FROM COLLAPSING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ADDITION FOUNDATION IS BEGINNING TO FAIL.
IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING, WE WILL BE REMOVING THE REAR DECK THAT IS BEHIND THERE.
CAREFULLY REMOVING THE EXISTING GLASS AND ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE PORCH ADDITION, REMOVING THE CURRENT STEM WALL, JACKING UP THE PORCH TO LEVEL, INSTALLING A NEW FOOTING IN CINDER BLOCK STEM WALL, INSTALLING A RED STONE FACADE TO MATCH THE HOUSE THAT WILL GO ON TOP OF THAT WOOD UNDERNEATH THERE.
REPAIRING THE FLOOR CONNECTIONS, REINSTALLING THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS, REFINISHING THE INTERIOR FLOOR, REINSTALLING THE INTERIOR TRIM IS NEEDED, PAINTING THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, AND REBUILDING THE BACK DECK TO CODE WITH SIMILAR MATERIALS TO WHAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.
THIS PAGE SHOWS HOW WE ARE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION DIVISION.
I CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU, OR WE CAN KEEP THAT FOR FURTHER REFERENCE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THIS STATES THAT SUBSECTION C OF 10-30.30.050,
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THE HISTORIC PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT REPRESENT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A PROPERTY MUST REMAIN AND MUST BE VISIBLE ENOUGH TO CONVEY THEIR SIGNIFICANCE.HOWEVER, IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR A PROPERTY TO RETAIN ALL ITS HISTORICAL PHYSICAL FEATURES OR CHARACTERISTICS.
THE PROPERTY MUST RETAIN SUFFICIENT PHYSICAL FEATURES, HISTORIC CHARACTER, AND APPEARANCE THAT ENABLE IT TO CONVEY ITS HISTORIC IDENTITY, AND THE REASONS FOR ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
I WENT FURTHER TO SHOW SUBSECTION 3D, MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, AND F FEELING THAT THIS WILL BE DONE TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THAT CRITERIA.
ESSENTIALLY, WHEN WE REESTABLISH THE STONE FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE, THAT WILL RETAIN SUBSECTION THREE F FEELING A PROPERTY'S EXPRESSION OF THE AESTHETIC OR HISTORIC SENSE OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME.
IT RESULTS FROM THE PRESENCE OF PHYSICAL FEATURES THAT TAKEN TOGETHER, CONVEY THE PROPERTY'S HISTORIC CHARACTER.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MORE SUBSECTION 5, E, AND F THAT WE WILL FOLLOW AS WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR PRECIOUS TIME GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO READ THROUGH THOSE AT YOUR LEISURE.
THEN WE ALSO ARE FOLLOWING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR REHABILITATION AS A TREATMENT AND STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
ONLY EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT ALL OF THESE STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION WILL ALSO BE MET IN WHAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE, AS MARK HAS ALREADY STATED.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL, BUT WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING THESE STANDARDS.
WHAT IS THE ISSUE? I JUST HAVE A FEW MORE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FOUNDATION IS BEGINNING TO FAIL.
THIS IS HISTORIC IN ITS OWN RIGHT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE HOME.
THIS HERE IS SOME OF THE RED STONE THAT HAS FALLEN OFF OF THE BUILDING.
WE ARE GOING TO BE CREATING A NEW STEM WALL.
I'VE TAKEN THIS FROM THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR TO BOTH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TO MR. REBS THAT.
THE STEM WALL WILL BE APPROPRIATELY BUILT TO SUPPORT THE BUILDING THAT IS ON TOP OF IT USING MATERIALS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO DO THAT WITH CURRENT CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A MICRUE DRAWING, I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS THE EXISTING FOOTING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS SAND STONE THAT IS CRUMBLING AND THERE'S A NATURAL STONE WALL ON TOP OF THAT.
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS PUT IN THIS NEW FOOTING.
THE PORCH WILL BE HELD UP BY CINDER BLOCK HERE, AND THIS IS BASICALLY THE FLOOR.
THEN WE ARE GOING TO PUT THE RED SANDSTONE FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CINDER BLOCK TO MAINTAIN THAT LOOK AND FEEL THAT WILL MATCH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SO IT WILL BE SEAMLESS.
THEREFORE, WE WILL HAVE BOTH AN APPROPRIATE FOUNDATION FOR THE BUILDING AND THE HISTORICAL SENSE WILL BE MAINTAINED.
THIS IS MATERIAL THAT IS ON SITE THAT IS THAT RED STONE.
WE WILL BE USING WHAT IS ON SITE.
WE ALSO HAVE A BEAD ON WHERE TO ACQUIRE MORE OF THIS STONE.
WE KNOW WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN TOWN WHO CAN SUPPLY AND DO THE MASONRY WORK ITSELF IN THE SAME MANNER SO THAT IT WILL BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
AS WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY, THE WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL GLASS, AND EVERY PRECAUTION IS GOING TO BE TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE PRESERVED DURING THE WORK.
WE'LL BE REMOVING THOSE, STORING THEM, AND THEN REPLACING THEM EXACTLY.
THE REAR DECK WAS BUILT SOMETIME. IT IS NOT TO CODE.
WE ARE GOING TO BE REMOVING THIS DECK TO GET TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK, AND THEN WE WILL REBUILD THE DECK TO CODE AT COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME TO HEAR THIS OUT TODAY.
MR. TOM FELAN IS THE CONTRACTOR WITH TISONO CONTRACTING, AND HE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU. TOM, IS THAT HIS NAME?
>> IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
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NEXT, WE'LL BE COMPLETELY DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING FOOTING AND STEMWALL WE'LL BE POURING A NEW FOOTING THE EIGHT BY EIGHT BY 16 CINDER BLOCK, WE'LL HAVE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL REBAR AND WE'LL BE SOLID ROUTED ALL THE WAY UP TO A BOTTOM PLATE, THE NEW BOTTOM PLATE, THEN WE'LL SIT UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING PORCH FRAMING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BEEF UP THE PORCH FRAMING ALSO, BUT THAT WON'T BE VISIBLE AT ALL.
THEN WHEN WE INSTALL THE RED SANDSTONE FACADE, IT WILL PLAY OUT WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, SO IT WON'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING WAS DONE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THERE'S THAT THE RED STANDS ON THE ON THE STEM WALL ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING MARK?
>> YEAH. THAT WAS THE ONE DETAIL, AND IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT I FOUND NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED, WHICH IS THAT SUBTLE CHANGE OF IT, NOT BEING, STUCK OUT, BUT ACTUALLY LOOKING AS IF IT WAS SUPPORTING THE WALL.
AGAIN, THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE ADEQUATE TO CMU HAS TO BE REINFORCED, BUT THERE'S A WAY TO ATTACH THAT STONEWORK, SO IT LOOKS JUST AS THEY'VE SAID THAT IT WAS THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE.
IT'S SUBTLE, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR MEETING SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR LEVEL 2 FUNDING WHEN WE GET TO THAT ASPECT.
>> GREAT. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER BURCHAM.
>> MARK, I THINK YOU SAID THAT IT HAPPENED SOMETIME IN THE PAST, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WEIRD STRUCTURE WAS ADDED.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE SUNROOM WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT, BUT ADDING THE ROOM ON THE TOP WAS DEFINITELY AN ADD ON, WHICH OVERLOADED THE FOUNDATION, IN MY OPINION.
YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH TELL WHEN YOU GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DETAILING, THE SECOND FLOOR ROOM IS NOT AS HIGH LEVEL AS THE SUNROOM ITSELF OR THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
SOMEBODY JUST DECIDED TO MAKE ANOTHER ROOM, OUT THE BACK THERE, WHICH OVERLOADED THE FOUNDATION AND CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT THIS GETS CLEARED UP WE DON'T HAVE A MASSIVE FAILURE, WHICH WE'D LOSE THE SUNROOM.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY UNFORTUNATE SO IT'S A REALLY POSITIVE PROJECT.
>> WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THE STONEWORK WILL BE ADDED SO THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES THE BUILDING.
I THINK THAT WILL BE REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
I'M VERY PLEASED THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO, ABIDE BY ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AND KEEP AS MUCH ORIGINAL WORK AS WE CAN.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO STAY THERE, BUT I LIVE HERE, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. THANK YOU.
>> I THINK TO FULLY APPRECIATE THIS REMODEL, WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO VISIT THE HOUSE AND STAY IN IT FOR ONE NIGHT.
>> DO WALK BY AND LOOK AT THOSE COLUMNS.
THEY'RE NOT WOOD THE PORCH COLUMNS ARE STONE.
IT'S SOME AMAZING STONE WORK, THE MASON WAS AMAZING.
>> WELL, YEAH, I WANT TO THANK THESE FOLKS FOR TAKING THIS ON BECAUSE THAT FOUNDATION FAILED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND IT'S BEEN SITTING LIKE THIS FOR YEARS.
I LOVE THAT HOUSE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SO I DON'T WANT IT TO COLLAPSE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TAKING IT ON, AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT AND FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET, AND MAYBE.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING IT ON AND TAKING CARE OF THAT WONDERFUL BUILDING.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YOU HAD YOUR HAND ON THE BUTTON EARLIER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
>> IS THE PLAN TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR WHITE AGAIN?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM 6B? OH, NO, YES, 6C. I CAN READ, I KNOW MY NUMBERS. OKAY.
>> OH, YES. ONE MORE QUESTION.
>> MARK, IF THEY REVISE THE PLAN SO THAT THE VENEER IS NOT STICKING OUT BEYOND THE BUILDING.
>> WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH IT,
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AND THAT WAS IN THE TEXT, AND THEN ALSO SHOWN WAS A SKETCH OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT AND WE'LL TALK IT THROUGH SO THAT'S CORRECT.
>> PART OF THE RECOMMENDED ACTION SAYS THAT MARK CAN APPROVE MODIFIED PLANS.
>> I GUESS THAT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE PART OF IT.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATENESS TODAY, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT PLAN.
>> THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ENGLAND HOUSE SUNROOM REHABILITATION CONDITIONED UPON REVISIONS TO THE PLAN SET FOR THE FOUNDATION STONE FACE REHABILITATION THAT MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES.
HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER MAY APPROVE THE MODIFIED PLANS TO CONFIRM REHABILITATION TECHNIQUE AND DETAILING OF SUNROMS WOOD STRUCTURE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER HAYES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? GREAT. NOW, DON'T GO AWAY YET BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE 6D.
[D. England House B&B Facade Grant PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 614 W Santa Fe Ave Assessor's Parcel Number: Property Owner: Cattail Properties AZ, LLC Applicant: Mac Axelrod, Trustee (Tesano representative) City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: The applicant has requested a $20,000 Match (level 2 funding) Historic Facade Grant for a sizable improvement project to a failed sunroom foundation. The historic addition is now integral to the historic home listed individually in the National Register. Materials that were utilized are consistent within the Townsite overlay and provide a compatible appearance. The grant request is to assist in completing appropriate work on the home’s sunroom, a component of the home visible from Santa Fe Ave. RECOMMENDED ACTION: Conditionally approve a grant match request for Level 2 funding for $20,000 for modified plans approved by Flagstaff Building Safety and the Heritage Preservations which Officer meet the US Secretary of the Interior’s Standards and Guidelines for improvements to 614 W Santa Fe Ave, confirmed by Flagstaff HPO. ]
THE ENGLAND HOUSE B&B FACADE GRANT.>> AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HOW COMPLICATED THIS IS AND THAT THEY ARE GOING THE EXTRA MILE FOLLOWING SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ON INDIVIDUALLY LISTED HISTORIC PROPERTY.
IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT THEY DID APPLY FOR THE LEVEL 2 FUNDING AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO MEET SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS IF A SIZABLE BUDGET ON DOING THIS SO THE $20,000 WOULD CERTAINLY HELP AND HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION FACADE FUND.
>> YEAH, COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BUDGET?
>> IT JUST LOOKS SO LOW TO ME THAT ARE YOU PREPARED IF IT ENDS UP COSTING TWICE THAT?
>> MARK, DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK ON THAT?
>> IN FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME THAT I ONLY SUBMIT THE $40,000 AMOUNT SO THAT THE THE MATCH WOULD BE EQUAL TO THAT, THE $20,000 MATCH.
BUT THE AMOUNT FOR THE PROJECT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A $360,000 PROJECT HERE.
BUT I WAS RECOMMENDED TO ONLY PUT THE MATCHING GRANT AMOUNT ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE COME DOWN.
>> POLITE TO ASK, BUT WE DO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY IS THERE.
>> OH, YES. WE ASKED THIS LAST TIME, TOO.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL TELL US AT SOME POINT WHEN WE'RE OUT OF FUNDING.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE TOWARD THE BOTTOM.
>> REQUESTED ACTION, YOU'RE SAYING, MARK?
>> I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION MOTION BELOW THAT.
>> WELL, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE A GRANT MATCH REQUEST FOR LEVEL 2 FUNDING FOR $2,000 FOR, WAIT, OH, WHAT DID I SAY? OH. LET ME START OVER.
MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE A GRANT MATCH REQUEST FOR LEVEL 2 FUNDING FOR $20,000 FOR MODIFIED PLANS APPROVED BY FLAGSTAFF BUILDING SAFETY AND THE HERITAGE PRESERVATIONS, WHICH PRESERVATIONS OFFICER MEET THE US SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO 614 WEST SANTA FE AVENUE, CONFIRMED BY FLAGSTAFF HPO.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BURCHAM. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS. I'M SO EXCITED SO MANY FUN THINGS HAPPENING IN FLAGSTAFF. WE HAVE A REQUEST TO TALK ABOUT COOKIES,
[E. 15 N Leroux - Insomnia Cookies PROPERTY INFORMATION: Address: 15 N Leroux Street Assessor's Parcel Number: 10020028 Property Owner: High Brass Realty LLC (Anthony Rosales) Applicant: Samantha Olendorff City Staff: MR HPO REQUESTED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriatness RECOMMENDED ACTION: Approve a Certificate of Appropriateness with following conditions: 1) Repair the stucco with the gentlest means in removing peeling paint and surface coating repair, 2) Follow best practices in historic foundation work that reflects the 1897 construction techniques and follows the recommendations of the structural engineer, 3) Submit a separate HPC application for a Certificate of No Effect to review signs and lighting, and 4) Allow for the HPO to monitor and ensure that window modifications meet historic preservation guidelines and the current Energy Code]
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM E, 15 NORTH LEROUX, THE INSOMNIA COOKIES.>> WE HAVE THE ARCHITECT ONLINE HERE.
I HAD REVIEWED THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION THAT WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS ABOUT IT THAT WE KNOW MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOW, BUT I DID EVALUATE IT BASED ON THE SUBMISSION THAT DID COME IN ON TIME TO REVIEW.
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THIS IS THE LOY OFFICE BUILDING.THE INVENTORY FORM INDICATES IT WAS BUILT IN 1897, IT'S THE OLDEST SURVIVING PRE 1900 OFFICE BUILDING IN FLAGSTAFF.
ITS UNIQUENESS IS PRETTY MUCH ITS REALLY CONSERVATIVE SIZE AND PROPORTIONS.
IT IS THE FORMER BOOKSTORE THAT STUCCOED IN THE FRONT, A PRETTY SIMPLE BUILDING.
IT IS PART OF THE RAILROAD ADDITION NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY.
THE INVENTORY FORM FOR THE RAILROAD ADDITION ACTUALLY WAS DONE 46 YEARS AGO, WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING, WHERE THE INVENTORY HAS ALMOST HIT HISTORIC STANDARDS, AND CERTAINLY THE RE-STUCCO IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
THESE EARLY BUILDINGS WERE DONE WITH LOW-FIRED CLAY BRICK THAT DOES HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WHEN THE WEATHER HITS IT.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THE TIME IT WAS DETERIORATED TO SUCH A POINT THAT PEOPLE WOULD END UP STUCCOING THE BUILDING TO SOLVE THE ISSUE.
IT DOES HAVE SOME FAIRLY FRAGILE ASPECTS TO IT AS BEING THIS LOW-FIRED BRICK, WHICH DID CAUSE SOME CONCERN FOR ME.
THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION HAD REMOVAL OF THE STUCCO.
IF WE REMOVED ALL THE STUCCO, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD PRESERVE THE BRICKWORK, WHICH WOULD BE NEAT, BUT I HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT THE WAY THEY WOULD STUCCO BUILDINGS, THEY'D SIMPLY NAIL CHICKEN WIRE INTO THE BRICK, BLOW UP THE BRICK.
IT WAS PROBABLY DETERIORATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I HAD A STRONG OPINION ON THE FACT THAT IT HAS PEELING PAINT AND THAT THE PAINT CAN BE APPROPRIATELY REMOVED AND REPAINTED AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THIS POINT OF REALLY THREATENING THE INTERNAL STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.
THE FOUNDATION WAS SHOWN IS MORE LIKE A TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION FOUNDATION.
WE KNOW THAT FROM THE BACK ADDITION ON THIS LITTLE BUILDING AS WELL.
I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE TREATED, BUT THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND STUDY ON WHAT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR WORK TO MAKE THE BUILDING MORE STABLE AND TO POUR IN A CONCRETE FLOOR AND SECURING FOUNDATION FOR THE BUILDING SO IT CAN LAST LONGER.
REMARKABLY, THEY WERE PUTTING ALL ASPECTS OF THIS LITTLE COOKIE SHOP INTO THE EXISTING SMALL FOOTPRINT.
IT'S THE ORIGINAL RECTANGULAR BUILDING AND A SMALL ADDITION ON THE BACK, AND THEY'VE MANAGED TO FIT ALL THOSE THINGS IN.
THE SUBMISSION HAD BLANKING OUT WINDOWS WITH A FILM.
AGAIN, THAT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ON THE APPEARANCE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN WORK TOWARD A SOLUTION WHERE IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A WINDOW THAT WHATEVER CLOSURE THAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR EQUIPMENT THAT GOES IN, THAT IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE, AND IT STILL HAS THE VISIBILITY LIKE IT'S A WINDOW.
THERE'S LOTS OF ALTERNATIVES TO THAT THAN JUST PUTTING A BLANK-OUT FILM ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOWS AND THE INSIDE.
THOSE WINDOWS WERE ACTUALLY REPLACED AT SOME TIME.
THAT WAS NOTED IN THE INVENTORY FORM.
THERE ARE A PLATE GLASS WINDOW THAT FILLS THE WHOLE OPENING.
AGAIN, THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THERE WAS PROBABLY A WOODEN SASH, AN OPERABLE WINDOW OF SOME FORM MAYBE WITH SOME DIVIDED LIGHTS.
THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, THOSE LARGE PLATE GLASS WINDOWS, ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, AND IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH ENERGY CODES AND IMPROVING THE GENERAL HISTORIC APPEARANCE TO CHANGE THOSE OUT IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY.
WE'VE LOOKED AT OPTIONS FOR THAT AS WELL.
I WENT THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN HANDBOOK DESIGN STANDARDS ON THIS PROJECT.
I ALSO TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ON THIS.
I ALSO NOTED THE MASONRY ASPECTS AND ALSO HOW FRAGILE THAT INTERNAL SYSTEM IS OF THAT WALL THAT'S THERE.
I DID EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT WHEN WE'RE PIERCING LIGHTS THROUGH THAT MASONRY AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, THAT WE END UP NOT INJURING THE BUILDING SINCE IT'S FROM 1897.
I HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT WITH THE ARCHITECT.
AGAIN, IT'S PROGRESSED A LOT LONGER THAN THIS ORIGINAL SUBMISSION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS FROM THE ENGINEERING.
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THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS TO BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.I'M FEELING QUITE CALM ABOUT THIS AND THAT I THINK IT'D BE A REALLY GREAT USE OF A VERY SMALL BUILDING WITH NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE.
IT'LL STILL HAVE THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF THIS SMALL LITTLE BUILDING.
>> ANYTHING THE DESIGN OR OWNER WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
>> THIS IS KEVIN GORE, THE ARCHITECT.
WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
WE WERE ILLUMINATED AS TO THE HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING, SO WE MADE A NUMBER OF DESIGN CHANGES TO TRY TO RESPECT THE FABRIC OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING NOT REMOVING THE EXISTING STUCCO, BUT WORKING AS GENTLY AS POSSIBLE TO REMOVE ALL THE PAINT BACK DOWN TO A SOLID SUBSTRATE AND PATCHING ONLY AS REQUIRED, AND THEN REPAINTING THE BUILDING.
THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE, WE WORKED WITH THE SIGN VENDOR TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO THE BUILDING.
IT IS A VERY THIN DIMENSIONAL LETTER THAT'S BEING POSED WITH A VERY LOW DIAMETER IN-MOUNTING THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THE GROUT LINES OF THE BRICK, NOT IN THE FACE OF THE BRICK ITSELF.
THE WINDOWS, THE INTENT AT THE CURRENT TIME IS TO RESTORE THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
WE DO NEED THE GC WHEN THEY ARE ON SITE TO HELP EVALUATE THEM, AND IF THEY DO NEED TO BE REPLACED, THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH AN ENERGY EFFICIENT FIBERGLASS UNIT THAT WOULD PERFORM WELL IN THE HIGH TEMPERATURE SWING ENVIRONMENT OF FLAGSTAFF.
AT THAT TIME, IF WE DO REPLACE IT, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT HISTORIC PHOTOS FOR A DIVIDED LIGHT PATTERN THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO THE TIME OF THE BUILDING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY, REVISIT THAT WITH THE COMMISSION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE INTENT IS THAT THEY REMAIN IN PLACE.
WE WILL BE REMOVING ALL THE METAL GRILLS ON THE BUILDING AND TO OBVIOUSLY IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF LESS OF A JAIL-LIKE TO IT.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CLIENT'S LIGHTING VENDOR.
THEY HAVE A NATIONAL ACCOUNT WITH A LIGHTING VENDOR.
OUR SELECTION OF LIGHT FIXTURES WAS FOR DESIGN INTENT.
THEY WILL BE PROVIDING CATALOG CUTS FOR DARK SKY COMPLIANT GOOSE-NECK FIXTURES THAT ALSO IN THEIR APPEARANCE ARE MORE HISTORIC RATHER THAN TYPICAL SIGN LIGHTING.
THE GOOSE-NECKS WE FELT WERE A BETTER SELECTION.
BUT THEY ARE, AS I SAID, SOURCING DARK SKY COMPLIANT ONES.
WHEN WE WERE ON SITE, THE FLOOR SYSTEM HAD SOME SERIOUS ISSUES, SO IT'S WOOD FLOOR JOISTS WITHIN ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 30 INCH CRAWL SPACE WITH A DIRT FLOOR, SO THERE'S NO VAPOR BARRIER, THERE'S NO VERMIN BARRIER.
WE'RE TOTALLY REMOVING THE FLOOR SYSTEM CAREFULLY IN STAGES AND INSTALLING A COMPLETE NEW STEM WALL OF REINFORCED CONCRETE THAT WOULD HELP REINFORCE THE CURRENT RUBBLE FOUNDATION.
WE'LL BE BACK FILLING WITH COMPACTED FILL, GRAVEL, VAPOR BARRIER, AND A REINFORCED CONCRETE SLAB TO GIVE A BETTER FLOORING SUBSTRATE.
WE'LL BE PUTTING IN NEW PLUMBING UNDERNEATH.
THE INTERIOR WALLS WILL BE INSULATING, THE ROOF WILL BE ADDING R30 INSULATION, DOING SOME REINFORCING WORK ON THE ROOF, REPLACING THE INTERIOR FINISHES COMPLETELY.
IN EFFECT, IT WILL BE A COMPLETE NEW BUILDING WITHIN THE BUILDING WHILE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE EXTERIOR CHARACTERISTIC.
WE ARE TAKING TO HEART WITH THE CLIENT HOW TO ADDRESS THE WINDOW AND DOOR THAT WE DID SHOW BLACKOUT FILM.
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WE'VE RESTATED THAT ON THE PERMIT SET OF DRAWINGS THAT WENT TO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, THAT IT WILL BE A WINDOW TREATMENT THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE WINDOW SHADES THAT WERE APPROPRIATE TO THE TIME THAT LOOKED LIKE JUST SOMEONE'S HOME, BUT THE WINDOW SHADES ARE DRAWN.ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY SOME HISTORIC IMAGERY SETBACK FROM THE WINDOW.
IT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE TWO, BUT IT WILL NO LONGER BE BLACKOUT FILM.
WE ARE EXPLORING THE TWO OPTIONS WITH THE CLIENT. I THINK THAT WAS MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND DISCUSSED AND WE RESPONDED TO THEM IN THE BEST MANNER WE FELT APPROPRIATE TO TO THE BUILDING AND IT'S IMPORTANT NATURE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
TRUTHFULLY, WE WEREN'T AS AWARE OF SOME OF ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
SO WE DID TAKE THAT TO HEART AND CONSIDERATION ON OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT SET.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION?
>> THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT WE'VE USED THE WORD FRAGILE AND GENTLE IS MAKING ME A LITTLE NERVOUS.
BUT, MARK, YOU SEEM CONFIDENT THAT IT CAN BE DONE WELL, OR DO WE HAVE A PLAN B IN CASE IT ENDS UP BEING MORE DIFFICULT OR MORE DELICATE THAN WE THOUGHT?
>> WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, THEY'RE QUITE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE BEING DONE VERY CAREFULLY.
IT REFLECTS VERSUS THE ARCHITECTURAL SET.
IT REFLECTS THE STONE FOUNDATION, THE DEPTHS THAT ARE THERE AND HOW THEY DO IT WITH A VERY SYSTEMATIC MEANS OF DOING THE NEW FOUNDATION.
ALL THAT FOUNDATION WORK IS ACTUALLY DONE INTERNALLY.
WHAT THE ARCHITECT JUST SAID ABOUT PUTTING A BUILDING INSIDE OF A BUILDING, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.
SO VERY LIMITED IMPACTS, A LOT OF CARE AND THE FACT THAT THAT NEW INTERIOR PERIMETER FOUNDATION WILL LOCK IN THAT EXISTING STONE FOUNDATION WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE LONG TERM SURVIVAL OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK THE ENGINEERING WAS DONE REALLY WELL ON THAT.
THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INITIAL MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THAT INITIAL SECTION DRAWING THAT YOU SEE IN THAT ARCHITECTURAL SET.
>> OKAY. IF YOU FEEL CALM, I CAN FEEL CALM ABOUT IT.
>> AGAIN, I JUST HAD CERTAIN THINGS THAT I FELT WERE IMPORTANT TO MAKE CLEAR.
SO THE MOTION IS KIND OF A SET OF BULLETS THAT INDICATE WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE OFTEN HAVE ME LOOK AT AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THINGS THAT YOU MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
>> MARK, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CURRENT STARLIGHT BOOKS IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED UNDERNEATH THE NEW?
>> NO, THEY'RE GOING TO REPAINT.
>> OKAY. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY EFFORT TO RECORD THAT IN A MORE MEANINGFUL WAY THAN PICTURES ON GOOGLE BOOKS OR GOOGLE IMAGES? BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ONLY 40.
IT LOOKS LIKE STARLIGHT BOOKS WAS OPENED IN 1984, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOW 40 YEARS OLD, WHICH I KNOW IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY HISTORIC, BUT IT FEELS LIKE FOR MANY PEOPLE IN FLAGSTAFF, IT'S BEEN SUCH A MAINSTAY OF DOWNTOWN THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS SOME EFFORT TO OFFICIALLY RECORD IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE AGREES.
>> NO, I DID REALLY LIKE THAT BOOKSHOP. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
>> I DO LIKE THE PROGRESSION OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND HOW THE USES HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME.
AGAIN, WE COULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION ON HOW THEY PROMOTE THE LITTLE COOKIE SHOP OF BEING A UNIQUE ASPECT OF FLAGSTAFF.
SO MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK ON HISTORY, AND INTERPRETATION, AND UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRESSION OF THIS LITTLE BUILDING AND HOW IT FITS INTO FLAGSTAFF HISTORY.
>> COULD THERE BE A PLAQUE ON THE EXTERIOR THAT TALKS ABOUT IT?
>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD PROVIDE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION WOULD PROVIDE?
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IN EITHER WAY, I'M SURE THE CLIENT IS MORE THAN WILLING AND AMENABLE TO THAT.JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE ALLEY, THEY HAVE A, I THINK IT'S A BRONZE PLAQUE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE BUILDING.
BUT EITHER WAY, IF YOU HAVE THE TEXT, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A SIGN VENDOR CREATE SOMETHING FOR YOUR APPROVAL, EITHER HOWEVER YOU NORMALLY HANDLE THAT, I'M SURE ON THE CLIENT SIDE THAT THEY'D BE MORE OPEN TO THAT.
>> HOW DID ALL THOSE PLAQUES END UP ON, I MEAN, THEY'RE MOSTLY ON BABBITT BUILDING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT I'M SURPRISED THE BUILDING FROM 1897 DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE ONE.
>> IT IS JUST AN EFFORT WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES TO CELEBRATE THEIR HISTORY.
I WASN'T HERE, BUT IT WAS AN EFFORT MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO TO DOCUMENT HOW THESE BUILDINGS LOOKED AND ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR HISTORY.
SO WE KEEP FOLLOWING THAT INTERPRETIVE ASPECT OF THINGS.
KEEPING OUR HISTORY ALIVE SOMEHOW IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.
>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A PLAQUE THAT WOULD TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1897, AND IT WAS THIS, AND IT WAS THIS, AND THEN THIS IN 1984, IT WAS STARLIGHT BOOKS KIND OF THING?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY FITTING WITH WHAT'S ALREADY DOWNTOWN, AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT BUILDING WAS THAT OLD, SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
>> I THINK THIS IS OUR MOMENT TO CAPTURE THAT.
>> YEAH, YOU STOP TO READ THE SIGN, AND THEN YOU SMELL THE COOKIES.
YOU GO INSIDE, AND EVERYBODY WINS.
>> WOULD THAT JUST BE WRAPPED UP IN THE SUBMIT A SEPARATE HPC APPLICATION FOR TO REVIEW SIGNS AND LIGHTING? WOULD YOU WANT TO WRAPPED UP IN THAT PART OF THE RECOMMENDED ACTION, OR WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE A SEPARATE LINE?
>> WE DON'T TREAT OUR HISTORIC INTERPRETATION AS SIGNAGE.
>> OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE FIFTH.
>> THAT THEY CONSULT WITH YOU ABOUT SOME HISTORICAL INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE.
>> YOU COULD ADD IT TO THE MOTION THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING.
>> AND IN REGARDS TO THE SIGNAGE, THE LOOK OF THE SIGN, COULD WE MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LOOK OF THE OTHER SIGNS THAT WE HAVE ON THE OTHER BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN?
>> YEAH. THOSE ARE ANODIZED ALUMINUM SIGNS, THEY WORK REALLY WELL.
THEY'RE AFFORDABLE, AND THEY TAKE TEXT AND PHOTOS VERY WELL, AND THEY'RE QUITE DURABLE.
SO THAT HAS BEEN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PROPOSING FOR INTERPRETATION TO BE CONSISTENT.
>> AND THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US LIKE NEXT MONTH, SOME OTHER MONTH.
>> YEAH. WE COULD REVIEW THE TEXT, IF YOU WISH.
>> OH, IT'S JUST SUBMIT A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR SIGNS.
>> OH, THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE IS SEPARATE.
>> IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT FROM ME ON THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE.
SIGNAGE HAS TO MEET THE SIGN ORDINANCE STANDARDS, AND MY EFFORT IS PRETTY MUCH DON'T DAMAGE HISTORIC MATERIALS.
THAT'S KIND OF THE LEVEL OF WHERE I AM IN MY REVIEWS, NOT NECESSARILY THE AESTHETICS OF THE SIGNAGE.
>> ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE WINDOWS AND APPROVAL.
BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE FIBERGLASS AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED DIVIDED LIGHTS.
WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE THAT THEY WERE AN OVERLAY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE DIVIDED LIGHTS ON THE GLASS?
>> I HAVE A FEELING IT WAS DIVIDED TRANSOM UP ABOVE AND PROBABLY A SINGLE HUNG OPERABLE.
BUT WE COULD LOOK AT AS MANY HISTORIC PHOTOS AS WE CAN.
BUT CERTAINLY, THAT LARGE OF OPENING WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A SOLID PIECE OF GLASS IN 1897.
SO THAT PLATE GLASS IS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THAT WAS A REPLACEMENT.
AGAIN, YOU CAN DO WOOD, BUT METAL CLAD DOESN'T LOOK THAT GREAT.
BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THE FIBER GLASS HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY PARK SERVICE ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
NOT NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AT THE CANYON, BUT FOR TAX CREDIT, YES.
>> I WAS JUST WORKING ON A PROJECT WHERE WE DECIDED NOT TO DO DIVIDED LIGHTS BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK TOO MUCH LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK TO A PARTICULAR PERIOD, SO THAT'S WHY MY QUESTION.
>> THERE'S A BALANCING ACT THERE. YEAH.
>> IS THIS A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT PROJECT?
>> NO. I AM SURPRISED WITH THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT.
>> DID SAMANTHA WANT TO CONTRIBUTE? I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ALL DONE CONTRIBUTING.
WE JUST STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS.
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>> SAMANTHA IS WITH THE PERMIT.
THEY SUBMIT PERMITS FOR APPLICANTS.
SO THE ARCHITECT PROVIDES SERVICES AND THEN THE PERMIT PLACE SUBMITS AND COMBINED STUFF AND WORKS WITH THE CITY.
>> YES. HI. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT MEETING.
>> ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> I WILL MOTION TO APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
[NOISE] ONE, REPAIR THE STUCCO WITH THE GENTLEST MEANS IN REMOVING PEELING PAINT AND SURFACE COATING REPAIR, TWO, FOLLOW BEST PRACTICES AND HISTORIC FOUNDATION WORK THAT REFLECTS THE 1897 CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES AND FOLLOWS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
THREE, SUBMIT A SEPARATE HPC APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT TO REVIEW SIGNS AND LIGHTING, AND FOUR, ALLOW FOR THE HPO TO MONITOR AND ENSURE THAT WINDOW MODIFICATIONS MEET HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES IN THE CURRENT ENERGY CODE.
[LAUGHTER] FIVE TO ADD A HISTORIC INTERPRETIVE SIGN ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
WHERE APPROPRIATE? DOES THAT WORK?
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BERTRAM? DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BUCKHAM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> APPLICANTS. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING HOT COOKIES IN FLAGSTAFF.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S REALLY AWESOME TO BE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION RATHER THAN OTHER ONES WE COULD BE HAVING.
[LAUGHTER] THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR ONE APPROVAL.
ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE 512 EAST BRANDON AVENUE EXEMPTION?
[A. 512 E Brannen Ave, Metal Building Inventory Form - Re Lone Tree Overpass Address: 512 E Brannen Ave Type of Approval: Exemption from Cultural Resource Study Approval Date: 4/2/2024]
>> THIS IS THE ICE COMPANY BUILDING, A SMALL LITTLE METAL BUILDING, PRETTY OLD.
I REALLY HAD A HARD TIME FINDING INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
I ENDED UP HAVING TO REACH OUT TO A CONSULTANT TO DO THE RESEARCH ON IT.
I HAD A SUSPICION THAT IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RAILROAD.
IT'S NOT. I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE THE RAIL LINE IS RIGHT THERE.
BUT IT WAS JUST A SMALL LITTLE INDEPENDENT METAL BUILDING THAT'S BEEN USED BY NICE COMPANY FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS IS THE LAST BUILDING THAT'S IN THE WAY OF THE LONE TREE OVERPASS TO BUILD THE LONE TREE OVERPASS.
MULTIPLE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE TO BE CLEARED FOR DEMOLITION AND THE LONE TREE OVERPASS GOING IN.
JUST FOR CURIOSITY SAKE, YOU SHOULD GO AND LOOK UP THE INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THE LONE TREE OVERPASS.
PRETTY IMPRESSIVE OF WHAT IT WILL DO FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULT WILL BE FOR AUTO TRAFFIC, BUT IT WILL GIVE US AN ALTERNATIVE OF GOING OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
IT'S AN INTERESTING PROJECT THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE PEOPLE.
IT'S GETTING VERY CLOSE TO BEING CONSTRUCTED.
>> GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT. COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER.
>> DO YOU HAVE A CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY ON THE BUILDING?
>> THEY SIMPLY DID A INVENTORY FORM THAT INDICATED THAT AND I ATTACHED THAT.
IT JUST SIMPLY INDICATES THAT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT AND WOULD NOT BE LISTED.
>> I DON'T THINK ANY OF US LIKE TO SEE ANYTHING DEMOLISHED, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS.
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ANYTHING FROM OR FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS, MICHELLE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US?>> NO, I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE 207 MAP.
WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS GOING ON, AND NOT TO USE IT AS AN EXCUSE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE WORK.
BUT ONE THING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HELP WITH STAFF RESOURCES IS WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS COMMISSION TRYING TO GET FROM THAT MAP ON THE PROP 207?
>> COMMISSIONER WESTHEIMER, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR THIS REQUESTED?
>> I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE IF THERE WERE 207 WAIVERS IN THE HISTORIC AREAS,
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WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.>> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A VERY SPECIFIC MAP, JUST NOT OF ENTIRE FLAGSTAFF, JUST IN THE HISTORIC AREAS.
>> WAIVER. YEAH, I'M PERSONALLY CURIOUS WHERE THEY ARE ALL OVER TOWN, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMMISSION IN THE HISTORIC AREAS.
ALSO TO HELP THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW IT HAPPENS BECAUSE IT BASICALLY UNDERMINES OUR ZONING CODE.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S EDUCATIONAL FOR US TO KNOW IN THE HISTORIC AREAS WHAT IT MEANS AND WHERE THEY ARE.
>> DO YOU WANT TO KNOW, A PROP 207 CLAIM CAN BE FILED FOR ANY CODE THAT IS THAT GOES INTO EFFECT.
I THINK IT'S UP EITHER THREE OR FIVE YEARS AFTER THE FACT.
WE HAVE THEM ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CODE ISSUES.
DO YOU WANT THEM ON ALL ISSUES AND/OR A SPECIFIC ONE? DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS PROP 207 WAIVER IS OR JUST THAT THERE IS ONE ON A PROPERTY?
>> IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO HERE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS IN CASE IT AFFECTS WHAT WE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY GOT A 207 WAIVER.
DO THEY NEED TO COME IN FOR REVIEW? OR IS IT FOR ONLY FOR CERTAIN THINGS? I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE IMPLICATIONS.
IT MIGHT RELATE TO ANY OF THOSE WAIVERS, THE PURPOSES OF THEM. YEAH.
>> WE CAN EXPLAIN IT AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT OKAY. THANKS.
>> SO IS IT A MAP THAT YOU WANT OR DO YOU JUST WANT AN OVERVIEW OF HOW IT WORKS.
>> I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAME ABOUT, WHAT IT MEANS AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO.
>> SO WE MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED A MAP, JUST A REVIEW OF THE LAW.
THEN IF AN ITEM COMES UP ON OUR AGENDA, WE CAN BE TOLD IF IT'S A PROP 207.
>> I THINK IF SOMETHING I LEARNED RECENTLY IS THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN IN THE HISTORIC AREAS.
>> THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE MAP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY, MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
MOST OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY ARE FOR HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING.
PROP 207 WAIVERS ARE FOR SPECIFIC POINT IN TIME, AND IT'S JUST THAT ONE PART OF CODE, AND IT DOESN'T EXEMPT YOU FROM ALL CODE.
IT JUST BASICALLY GRANDFATHERS YOU INTO THE OLD CODE.
IF THERE'S AN UPGRADE TO A CODE, YOU CAN OPT OUT OF THAT IF YOU FEEL IT DIMINISHES YOUR PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THAT.
BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY DEFINITIVELY, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN MAYBE TWO, BUT DEFINITELY NOT MORE THAN A HANDFUL IN THE DOWNTOWN IN THE OVERLAY AREA.
>> OH, BUT I MEAN, INCLUDING SOUTH SIDE, WHICH ISN'T AN OVERLAY.
IT WOULD BE ALL THE HISTORIC AREA.
TO ME, IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A FEW IN A ROW, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE HIGH OCCUPANCY HOUSING, YOU CAN END UP WITH A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAN IF IT'S A SINGLE 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE OF THOSE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
>> WELL, THEN MAYBE INSTEAD OF HAVING MICHELLE SPEND TIME TRACKING DOWN DATA TO MAKE A MAP, WE JUST NEED AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THIS IS.
I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY BETTER BECAUSE I'D RATHER JUST BRING OUR ATTORNEY IN TO EXPLAIN IT.
I THINK THAT WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY DOES, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT CHANGING MUCH AS FAR AS WHETHER THOSE THREE ADJOINING OR HOWEVER MANY ADJOINING LOTS HAVE A PROP 207 WAIVER.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T DO THE THING.
IT JUST CHANGES THE PROCESS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
>> REALLY? NOT JUST THE PROCESS, BECAUSE IF THEY ARE FROM LOWERING THE HEIGHT FROM 60-45, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
>> IF YOU NEED A MAP, WE CAN MAKE A MAP.
>> IF IT'S ONLY A FEW PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC AREAS, I DON'T.
IT SHOULD BE A LOT EASIER THAN THE WHOLE CITY.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
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I DO HAVE CLARIFICATION ON THE REGIONAL PLAN. THANK YOU.THE BEST PLACE TO GO TO GET THE UPDATED AGENDA IS ON THE WEBSITE, NOT THAT SPREADSHEET THAT I HAD SENT OUT.
SORRY, I MEANT TO GET THIS EMAIL OUT LAST WEEK.
YES, IF YOU GUYS JUST DECIDE WHICH ONES YOU WANT TO GO TO, AS LONG AS NO MORE THAN TWO OF YOU ATTEND, YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH OF THOSE THAT ONE OR TWO OF YOU WANT TO ATTEND TO, AND JUST LET ME KNOW SO WE CAN ORGANIZE IT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM ISSUES OR OPEN MEETING ISSUES.
>> WHICH WEBSITE IS IT? IS IT THE FLAGSTAFF-REGIONAL-PLAN-2045-FLAGSTAFFDOTS.ORG.RGS.COM?
>> THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. HYPHEN.
>> I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE. THAT'S A TERRIBLE WEBSITE.
[LAUGHTER] AND THEN THEY JUST HAVE THE LIST OF THE MEETINGS?
>> YES. THE DATE AND THE TOPIC AND WE EMAIL YOU TOO.
>> WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE US TO HAVE THIS DONE BY?
>> BY THE END OF THE WEEK, IF YOU CAN.
>> I WILL TRY VERY HARD TO REMEMBER.
>> I UNDERSTAND. SO IF IT'S NEXT WEEK, I WILL BE HERE.
>> IF YOU CLICK ON THE REGIONAL PLAN COMMITTEE HEADING, IT LISTS ALL THE UPCOMING MEETING DATES.
THERE'S ONE ON APRIL 23RD, MAY 7TH, MAY 22ND, JUNE 4TH, JUNE 18TH, JULY 10TH, AND AUGUST 27TH.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME TWO PEOPLE FOR EVERY MEETING, JUST TWO OF US.
>> CORRECT. THEN YOU CAN REPORT BACK TO THE GROUP.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO CHAPTERS THAT YOU'LL GET A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON.
BUT FOR THE OTHER CHAPTERS, YOU WON'T GET THAT PRESENTATION, SO IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO GO HEAR ABOUT IT, MAKE COMMENTS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE AND THEN MAYBE WE REPORT BACK TO THE GROUP INFORMALLY.
>> ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE HBO?
>> ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMISSION.
>> IN THE INTEREST OF PLANNING AHEAD, I THINK THAT MANY OF US HAVE MAYBE JUNE PLANS.
I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE KNOWN WELL IN ADVANCE.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A POLL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE SURE WE WILL HAVE A QUORUM AND WE CAN CANCEL IN ADVANCE, IF NEEDED.
I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP WITH THE THIRD THURSDAYS, BUT I'LL BE IN THE FIELD FOR THE MAJORITY OF JUNE, SO I'LL PROBABLY ALSO BE GONE.
SO WE ARE DOWN A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO BE AROUND.
>> THE MEETING WOULD BE JUNE 19TH.
>> MAYBE WE'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL.
SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL AND GET RESPONSES THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND PRE-EMPTIVELY CANCEL JUNE'S MEETING.
>> I MIGHT ALSO BE GONE IN JULY.
APPARENTLY I'M ON VACATION THIS MONTH.
>> I HAVE ONE. MY ARCHAEOLOGICAL FIELD SCHOOL IN JUNE, WHERE I WILL BE INSTEAD OF AT THIS COMMISSION MEETING, RUNS PUBLIC TOURS AND SO YOU CAN COME AND SEE OUR HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY SITE.
FOR ANYONE LISTENING ONLINE, YOU ARE ALSO WELCOME TO COME.
ANYWAY, SO IF PEOPLE WANTED TO COME OUT, JUST IF IT ENDS UP BEING A QUORUM, I WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, BUT WE HAVE A FUN FLYER IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. COME LOOK AT CANS.
>> I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SOUTH SIDE OVERLAY? CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT AT SOME POINT, PLEASE?
>> SOUTH SIDE OVERLAY, WORKING WITH TIFFANY ET AL ON A SIMPLIFIED BASIC VERSION FOR THE WC RYALS OVERLAY.
IT'S NOT THE WHOLE SOUTH SIDE.
IT'S THE SPECIFIC TARGETED AREA SURROUNDING WC RYALS STREET.
>> IF I CAN, WE'VE NOT IN EARNEST STARTED THAT PROJECT.
WE'RE STILL FINALIZING SOME THINGS WITH THE LA PAZA VH OVERLAY.
WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WC RYALS IN HOUSE, AND WE WILL, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, START CONTACTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ENGAGE WITH THEM ON HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED.
>> GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR IT FOR YEARS AGO,
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AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO GET IT IN PLACE.THEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE FIRE CREEK BUILDING THAT WE APPROVED, AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE DONE THE BOTTOM UNDER THE WINDOWS, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REPAINTED? IS THAT COMING UP NOW THAT THE WEATHER'S GETTING BETTER?
>> YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO CHECK IN WITH THEM.
SO IT WAS THE UPPER LEVEL REPAINT AND DOING SOME FLASHING THAT INTEGRATES WHAT THEY DID ON THE LOWER PART WITH THE UPPER PART.
>> NEXT I HAVE, THERE WAS DOWN TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT YOU MENTIONED.
>> YEAH. IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY HANDBOOK.
>> HOW ABOUT IF YOU JUST SEND US THE LINK SO WE COULD HAVE THAT?
>> THAT'D BE GREAT. AND THEN HAVE THE CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS BEEN MADE TO THE PARIS CULTURAL RESOURCE STUDY?
>> YES. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SEND THAT? THERE WEREN'T MANY, BUT YES.
THEN THAT'S GOING WELL AS FAR AS INTERPRETATION AT THE PARIS HOUSE SITE AND INTEGRATING THAT.
AND THEN THE PAYMENT WAS MADE TO THE NON-PROFIT FOR THE REARED MANSION FOR WORKING ON THAT, AND THE CONCEPT EXPANDED BEYOND THAT TO TALK ABOUT DOING A QUARTER THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THEIR OWN WITH SOME OF THEIR VOLUNTEERS.
IT'S GOOD TO KEEP HISTORY ALIVE.
THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY IMPRESSIVE PHOTOS OF WHAT THAT WAS LIKE IN THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE MILL WAS THERE.
MILL TOWN BEING ITS OWN ENTITY IS REMARKABLE.
THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AS IF IT WAS LIKE FLAGSTAFF.
MILL TOWN AND FLAGSTAFF WERE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
MILL TOWN WAS SO BIG AND SO ESSENTIAL.
>> I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. THANKS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, POST WORLD WAR II PRODUCTION HOUSING.
WHERE IS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS?
>> WHY DON'T I PULL UP THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
>> GREAT, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING ONLINE THROUGH THE CITY, AND THEN I JUST GOOGLED IN GENERAL, LIKE IS IF THIS IS A TERM, AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET.
>> IT'S INTERESTING HOW NEW ARIZONA IS AND THAT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES HAVE TREATED THE POST WORLD WAR II HOUSING AS UNIQUE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH INTEGRITY WITH PEOPLE THAT PLANNED THEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THEM.
THEY PRESENT THAT ARCHITECTURE THAT WAY.
>> IF I CAN ADD, THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE WHEN THE DEPOT CLOSED.
FLAGSTAFF EXPLODED FOR A WHILE.
AND THAT BRINGS ME TO A FRIEND OF MINE, MARY LURABA WHOSE NAME CAME UP.
SHE HAS PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BUILDING OF COCONINO ESTATES.
IT STARTED OUT AS AN ALBUQUERQUE COMPANY, AND THEY POOPED OUT ON IT, TECHNICAL TERM, AND HER FAMILY FINISHED COCONINO ESTATE.
SHE HAS SOME PICTURES, AND MAYBE SHE CAN'T RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WANT, SHE COULD COME AND SHARE HER PICTURES WITH MARK AND THE COMMISSION.
>> I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PRODUCTION HOUSING.
ALSO, I NOTICED THAT ON THE APPLICATIONS, IT'S SAY PRE WORLD WAR II, IS A CHECK BOX.
THEN THERE IS THIS, ANYTHING THAT IS POST WORLD WAR II PRODUCTION HOUSING.
BUT WHAT ABOUT WORLD WAR II PERIOD? I WAS READING A LITTLE BIT ONLINE AND THAT THERE WAS 1,200 BUILDINGS BUILT IN FLAGSTAFF DURING THAT TIME.
PRIOR TO THE YEAR BEFORE THE WAR BEGAN, IT WAS 19.
IT WAS A BOOMTOWN DURING WORLD WAR II, AND IT SEEMS, THAT SHOULD SOMEHOW BE CAPTURED SOMEPLACE.
>> IF YOU READ JOHN WESTERLUND BOOK, ARIZONA'S WARTOWN, HE TALKS ABOUT WHEN THE DEPOT BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND EVEN THE WORLD WHO WERE WORKING THERE, AND WHEN THEY CLOSED THE DEPOT, THEY WANTED TO STAY.
THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF. HAVE WE EVER HEARD OF THAT? THAT'S WHEN CHERRY HILL AND COCONINO ESTATES AND ALL THESE AREAS WERE BUILT, WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT MARY LEWIS PICTURES OF.
>> I DO LOVE OUR MAJOR STEPS THAT TOOK PLACE HERE FROM BEING A QUARTER FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE TO OUR TIMBER INDUSTRY TO SCIENTIFIC AS FAR AS LOWELL GOES, ROUTE 66, AND THEN WE GO INTO THE APOLLO PROGRAM, WHICH WAS MAJOR.
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SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS, MAJOR STEPS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY THAT MAKE IT SO UNIQUE.TARGETING THOSE AND KEEPING THAT HISTORY ALIVE, I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I'M WORKING WITH THE PROMOTIONAL PEOPLE ON ROUTE 66 FOR THE CENTENNIAL.
I ACTUALLY HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH SOMEBODY FROM BRITAIN REGARDING PROMOTING ROUTE 66 AND THE CENTENNIAL.
I THINK THE INTEREST IS GOING TO BE THERE AND THE FLAGSTAFF IS WORKING TO BE READY FOR IT.
CERTAINLY, OUR ARCHITECTURE AND OUR PRESERVATION HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH TELLING THE STORY CORRECTLY.
>> GREAT. THANKS. ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM COMMISSION? WITH NOTHING ELSE, I DECLARE THIS APRIL 17TH MEETING OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION IN THIS YEAR OF 2024 TO BE OVER AT 5:30 PM.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.